Andy Griffith starring in frightening
"Face in the Crowd" (1957)https://t.co/jxTffPnrEl
remind you of anyone?@realDonaldTrump #NHPrimary— Timothy McBride (@mcbridetd) February 10, 2016
You ask me, the clip would do just as well for Cruz as for Trump.
redshirt
The scariest monster is fascist young Andy Griffith.
Omnes Omnibus
You say scary monsters and you give us no Bowie? Why?
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus: Figured I’d leave that to the experts, dear!
Lil' Chocolate Bronut
youtube.com/watch?v=UMhFyWEMlD4
WarMunchkin
I’d like to submit Zoe Quinn’s harasser for the scary monsters thread. Or maybe a “go find a dying galaxy and jump in it” thread.
Why I Just Dropped The Harassment Charges The Man Who Started GamerGate.
And so, the justice system fails yet another person.
Omnes Omnibus
@WarMunchkin: What is your suggestion for a solution to this?
Viva BrisVegas
@Omnes Omnibus:
Kick him in the nuts.
Mj_Oregon
Cliven Bundy was just taken into custody in Portland, Oregon and has been booked into the Multnomah County jail. I don’t know the charges yet. He was picked up when he came off a flight from Vegas just a short time ago.
Mj_Oregon
Cliven Bundy’s booking info from the jail.
This will no doubt nullify the surrender deal for the four over in the refuge set for tomorrow morning. Ugh, what a hot mess this will be.
mclaren
I’m waiting for the latest anti-Sanders smears. So far we’ve heard “He’s unelectable” (oh, too bad, after New Hampshire, that won’t fly). We’ve heard “Sanders can’t stand up against Clinton’s ground get-out-the-vote game.” (Sanders nuked Hillary in NH but not just among younger voters, he creamed her in the older lower-educated rust belt and rural areas of the state.
And now we’re hearing “Sanders will go down in flames when Rove’s oppo research cranks up, so we must vote for HIllary!”
Riiiiiiiiiiight. Like there won’t be oppo research material after Hillary’s long long looooooooooong career backstopping Slick Willy’s sleazy machinations to slurp up the big bucks from giant corporations after he stepped down as president?
Try again, people. You need better quality smears to take down a giant like Bernie.
Source: “New Hampshire primary could fundamentally change both political parties,” MSNBC website, 10 February 2016.
You people who are still living back in 1996 or 1984 or 1968 still haven’t gotten the message. This isn’t the usual election cycle. This is a revolutionary election cycle in which major change is going to tectonically upheave the American political landscape.
You can either vote for Bernie and get on board the steamroller, or you can continue whimpering and whining and get crushed when it slams over you.
BR
@mclaren:
I’ll be on board if Elizabeth Warren agrees to be his running mate, or even switches places with him.
goblue72
@mclaren: Atrios has been on a solid roll lately. I’ll just quote him in full from a post today –
goblue72
@BR: Worst thing that happened this election season was Liz Warren not running. I would have loved to see her on the campaign trail. And this was probably her only real window. I understand her not wanting to play nice inside the Democratic Party tent and not run against Clinton. But I think that was a mistake.
goblue72
@mclaren: And this from Atrios today as well –
Calouste
@mclaren:
Yes, we al remember Presidents Paul Tsongas, Ted Kennedy, Mike Dukakis, and John Kerry. Funny that, lots of candidates from neighboring states win New Hampshire. Last Democrat to become President after winning New Hampshire btw was Jimmy Carter.
mclaren
@goblue72:
The major substantive argument among Democrats against voting for Sanders seems to be: “But realistically he can’t effect real change in Washington!”
This is nothing but the same old tired ancient learned helplessness reaction from Democrats who’ve been brutalized and abused for the last 30 years.
Well, the times, they are a-changin’. I don’t buy into learned helplessness. Beat me down twenty times, I’ll get to my feet and come back at you harder and tougher. This country was not founded by impotent whimpering losers who decided everything was too tough, so they crawled into a ditch and rolled into a foetal position and died.
This country was founded by people who thought a better way was possible than the political systems they had grown up with. So do I. So do you, if you’re honest with yourself. So pull up your fucking socks and get to work going door to door and phone banking for Bernie. Become the change you want to see in the world.
Hint: it works.
mclaren
@BR:
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Elizabeth Warren is not running, she’s said so, so let’s go with what we’ve got.
mclaren
@Calouste:
And we all remember the Hillbots who explained that Bernie didn’t have a chance in the first primaries and Hillary’s ground game would wipe him out. Nice try moving the goalposts, Lucy. First Bernie didn’t have a chance against Hillary’s tremendous funding and political machinery, then Bernie won the first few primaries but he won’t win any more, soon it’ll be “Bernie won lots of primaries but he can’t win the general election,” and finally it’ll be “Bernie is president but he won’t be able to make any headway against the Republican opposition in congress.”
You keep coming up with more reasons why everything is fucked and nothing can change.
Meanwhile, I’ll be in the other room watching Bernie’s inauguration.
Bobby Thomson
@Mj_Oregon:
Probably not, but even if so, it was well worth it.
magurakurin
@mclaren:
gonna be a lot of bodies under that steamroller
recent polls
2/9 Oklahoma C 44 S 28
2/8 New York C 55 S 34
2/8 Michigan C 57 S 28
2/5 Michigan C 62 S 30
2/4 North Carolina C 55 S 29
2/4 Georgia C 63 S 22
And early voting has started in Georgia and Michigan on Monday.
Tales of Clinton’s implosion have been greatly exaggerated. 230,000 people in New Hampshire actually won’t be the only ones to decide who the Democratic Party selects as its nominee.
EconWatcher
Every country that has tried to create a new society based on Marxian ideals has turned into a charnel house or a basket case or a combination of the two. Still, I can’t help thinking that the world (particularly the most developed part of the world) has come to a kind of Marxian moment, in a way it never really had before:
-Automation and the potential of AI are leading us to a world where very little human labor may be needed to create continuing wealth, but unless distribution is taken away from the market, this will result in immiseration rather than liberation and prosperity for the mass of people;
-There is an identifiable global elite that really does behave like a unified economic ruling class, with dominant control over the state apparatus in most countries, making decisions that keep concentrating more wealth upwards;
-The post-war period, in which rising working class incomes seemed to disprove Marx’s ideas, now looks like an anamolous historical blip caused by the peculiar circumstances of the time;
-Marx’s theory of capitalism as a system of constant crises (including financial crises) caused by the tendency to force wages down below the level needed to profitably sell the goods produced by the economy is looking a lot stronger these days.
And of course, consider Marx’s formulation that the choice would ultimately be between socialism or barbarism. Look at the candidates this year.
Look, I’m nobody’s idea of a radical, but I did read a lot of Marx in college, and I gotta say, it seems a lot more relevant now than it ever did.
ruemara
Yeah, both of you are full of it.
Either way, I’m enjoying a little old fashioned rock posturing from the Biters. The lyrics ain’t shit, but it’s got all the right brash
gwangung
@magurakurin: There’s a danger in getting caught up in the daily news cycle and over-reacting to the statistical noise of one day’s news.
That’s not to say that Sanders can’t win. But his gains so far are not that impressive or that startling. Paying attention to the longer range is still a winning strategy; as you say, there’s a lot of strength that doesn’t seem to be changing THAT rapidly.
(Hm. You would think Sanders would have appeared in Michigan and Flint by now. That’s a story that fits into his overall platform).
NR
@magurakurin:
No poll taken before Tuesday’s primary is “recent” anymore. Nice try though.
NR
@Calouste:
They don’t win it by 22 points. That hasn’t happened since 1956.
But keep telling yourself it doesn’t mean anything.
magurakurin
@NR: Yeah, like it was a surprise that Sanders won New Hampshire. Whatever. Vote for who you want. I’m voting for whoever the nominee is in November. If it is Sanders, so be it. But looking at the road ahead, it is very hard to see how that happens.
Goblue72
Lots of thoughtful, articulate, young women interviewed in this article about why Clinton and her proxies really piss them off.
magurakurin
@NR:
Not sure that’s the best example to hang your hat on. Stevenson went on to beat Kefauver for the nomination that cycle.
EconWatcher
@magurakurin:
To me, Hillary has been relying to some extent on an aura of invincibility, as well as overwhelming support from party insiders, much as she did in 2008. So the sigificance of New Hampshire (and let’s not forget the tie in Iowa) is that her balloon has been punctured. She now has to get out and fight for every vote (as she herself said in her concession speech) and must treat Sanders as a serious contender.
In the past, the Clintons have tended to go into extreme attack mode in these circumstances. But if they do that here, I think they will lose. I did not think Hillary looked good at all responding with haughty outrage to Bernie’s points about the bankster speaking fees. It was at the very least poor judgment to take those fees after the banksters brought the world to ruin, ruined the lives of many working people, and then were bailed out. Does anyone seriously dispute that?
magurakurin
@EconWatcher: It is either going to be Clinton or Sanders. They are both flawed. I wish Obama was running for a third term. He can’t. So, I’m voting for the nominee. Right now it looks like it will be Clinton be based on what I can. Am I wrong? Possibly. Does a Clinton win spell the end of the Republic? Can’t say. Likewise for a Bernie win. I’m voting for either one.
But in the Oregon primary I will vote for Clinton.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
So, BCBSNC is making noises about pulling out of the health exchange. And pointing out that the ACA would be more stable financially if Medicaid had been expanded here.
PurpleGirl
@goblue72:
Atrios: Maybe I’ll write in Kodos.
Great TOS reference. IIRC, that is Kodos the Executioner, who became Anton Keridenian, an actor.
Sherparick
@mclaren: Listen its not a “smear” to raise questions about a 74-year old Jewish Socialist being electable on the Democratic ticket for the Presidency. Its an argument. Also, its argument to wonder if Bernie and his supporters really would be ready to respond to Republican attack machine that has been even has a lot of liberals and Bernie supporters believing the worse kind of lies about Obama and Clinton. Its fairly easy for upper middle class white liberals and lefties, with plenty of connections and job opportunities to say, well a President Cruz or Trump would only “heighten the contradictions,” but as plenty of poor and working class Black, Hispanic, and White people are discovering in states with Republican Governors and legislatures, its life and death, between having a job and being homeless, between being able with food stamps to get enough food to feed yourself and your kids or going hungry, between having medical care for a pre-existing condition or dying. Hilary is a flawed human being, just like Al Gore was a flaw human being and compromised politician. So lots of liberals stayed home or voted for Nader and we got W, the Iraq War, Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court (the gift that will keep on giving for the next 30 years), war crimes and Guantanamo being the new American way of war, and the worse financial and economic crisis since 1929-33. And don’t get me started on damage Bush/Cheney did to the environment and Global Warming. So distinguish between arguments and “smears” (what Trump called Senator Sanders on Tuesday night for instance is an example of “smears.”) and make your counter-argument rather then smear the other Democratic candidate.
P.S. I have given money to Bernie and will give more and vote for him in the Virginia primary, but I really can’t stand those who are more “anti-Hilary” then pro-Bernie. Their precious moral purity offends me (as I don’t think anyone is without sin in this Vale of Tears).
Bobby Thomson
@gwangung:
How so? That has nothing to do with breaking up banks.
satby
@Bobby Thomson: not to mention that a large part of the reason for the Flint crisis was that the Republicans in charge in MI presumed they could fuck with Flint because it is perceived to be a black city. From my perspective Sanders still is very tone deaf on racism.
Calouste
@NR: Since 1960. But then again, you are just following Bernie’s lead in not worrying too much about getting numbers straight. There’s also only been one two-way race since, which might also have something to do with the margin.
SenyorDave
@mclaren: I’m waiting for the latest anti-Sanders smears. So far we’ve heard “He’s unelectable” (oh, too bad, after New Hampshire, that won’t fly). We’ve heard “Sanders can’t stand up against Clinton’s ground get-out-the-vote game.” (Sanders nuked Hillary in NH but not just among younger voters, he creamed her in the older lower-educated rust belt and rural areas of the state.
These aren’t smears. They may be completely incorrect, but they’re just opinions. And how does Sanders winning the Democratic primary in NH show that he is electable in the general election? To win the general election, he’ll have to win swing states, and IMO he will have a lot of trouble winning a state like Ohio. If he’s the nominee I hope to hell I’m wrong, and I’ll certainly vote for any Democrat over any Republican (I would vote for my dining room table over any Republican), but every concern about a candidate isn’t a smear.
chopper
@mclaren:
well, you were right as shit about Jeb taking the GOP primary.
chopper
@NR:
i’m sure bernie’s NH win which was expected for months is going to immediately blow all the other state polls wide open overnight.
David in NY
The thing about “A Face in the Crowd” that’s scary is that the Andy Griffiths character doesn’t lose because he’s rejected by a majority of good people. He only loses because of a fluke, where he’s exposed as a hypocrite. (The usual, a mic left on, that shouldn’t have been.) I’ve always thought that the real message of the movie is that a politician like that would do very well in this country, absent a slip-up. And that we can’t count on slip-ups all that often.
quakerinabasement
Excellent movie. If you haven’t seen it, you oughta.