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Open Thread: TrusTED (to Screw Over His Voters)

by Anne Laurie|  February 12, 20164:57 pm| 233 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Cruz-ifiction, Election 2016, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You, Assholes, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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(Nick Anderson via GoComics.com)
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First there was the “voter report card” fraud in Iowa, then the fake fund-raising checks. The Cruz campaign is obviously, publicly comfortable with skating as close to the ethical line as they can get away with. Now the AP is casting some light on Cruz’s data-collecting app… and its beneficiaries:

Protecting the privacy of law-abiding citizens from the government is a pillar of Ted Cruz’s Republican presidential candidacy, but his campaign is testing the limits of siphoning personal data from supporters.

His “Cruz Crew” mobile app is designed to gather detailed information from its users’ phones — tracking their physical movements and mining the names and contact information for friends who might want nothing to do with his campaign.

That information and more is then fed into a vast database containing details about nearly every adult in the United States to build psychological profiles that target individual voters with uncanny accuracy.

Cruz’s sophisticated analytics operation was heralded as key to his victory in Iowa earlier this month — the first proof, his campaign said, that the system has the potential to power him to the nomination…

Data-mining to help candidates win elections has been increasing among both Republicans and Democrats. Mobile apps by other presidential campaigns also collect some information about users. But The Associated Press found the Cruz campaign’s app — downloaded to more than 61,000 devices so far — goes furthest to glean personal data.

The Cruz app prompts supporters to register using their Facebook logins, giving the campaign access to personal information such as name, age range, gender, location and photograph, plus lists of friends and relatives. Those without a Facebook account must either provide an email address or phone number to use the app…

Cruz’s app also transmits to the campaign each user’s physical location whenever the app is active, unless a user declines to allow it. The campaign said it does this “so that we can connect you to other Cruz Crew users based on your particular geographic location.”

The campaign tells users it can share all the personal information it collects with its consultants or other organizations, groups, causes, campaigns or political organizations with similar viewpoints or goals.

It also shares the material with analytics companies. Cruz’s campaign combines the information with data from a group called Cambridge Analytica, which has been involved in his efforts since fall 2014. A Cambridge investor, Robert Mercer, has given more money than anyone else to outside groups supporting Cruz.

Cambridge has a massive 10 terabyte database — enough to fill more than 2,100 DVDs — that contains as many as 5,000 biographical details about the 240 million Americans of voting age. Cambridge considers its methodology highly secretive, but it may include such details as household income, employment status, credit history, party affiliation, church membership and spending habits. Cambridge uses powerful computers and proprietary algorithms to predict Americans’ personality traits…

Cruz, the junior senator from Texas, has been outspoken about protecting Americans’ personal information from the government, including the National Security Agency. “Instead of a government that seizes your emails and your cellphones, imagine a federal government that protected the privacy rights of every American,” he said when announcing his campaign.

Cruz campaign officials say it’s different for the government versus a campaign to collect data. Sickle said Cruz is building on the use of big data pioneered by the successful Democratic campaigns of Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

“It’s not like we’re giving it to the NSA,” Sickle said.

A campaign spokeswoman, Alice Stewart, added: “Why wouldn’t we want to use every tool available to us to win?”…

I’m assuming, apart from disingenuous campaign disclaimers, data mining at this granularity would also be very, very valuable to any corporation large enough to pay either Cruz or Cambridge Analytica. But as long as it’s not the nasty, low-minded gubmint getting all up in your psychographics, it’s all good — right, Freedumb luvvers?

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  1. 1.

    g

    February 12, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    It’s not for protecting us from terra-ists, but for selling us crap, so it’s OK with Republicans!

  2. 2.

    MattF

    February 12, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    I think, maybe, there’s a need for a Kickstarter campaign to produce PSAs on how dangerous Cruz is. But then– you’d need another Kickstarter to produce PSAs on how dangerous Trump is. But then…

  3. 3.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 12, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    IncarceraTED – a man can dream, right?

  4. 4.

    SP

    February 12, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    10TB? Meh, I generate that much data in a week or two.

  5. 5.

    SP

    February 12, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    This has potential at least as good as the “I just met her!” meme.

  6. 6.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    The Hadoop for Dummies book has a pic of an elephant on the front. With a wind-up key on its back.
    Coincidence?
    I report, you decide.
    This business might go deep, very deep.

  7. 7.

    Turgidson

    February 12, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Hopefully Tailgunner Ted’s data mining trove has all the times I’ve called him a fucking asshole (or variants thereof) on the intertubes.

  8. 8.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Baud should sue Cruz for stealing top secret Baud! 2016! campaign PR tricks.
    But then Trump will sue Baud for stealing Trump! 2016! campaign tricks.
    Edit: and since reports are the Baud! 2016! is dead broke, Trump will have to collect from Cruz.
    Edit2: which Trump will have to wrest from the hands of the class action lawsuit against the Cruz campaign.

    Should make for some fun.

  9. 9.

    schrodinger's cat

    February 12, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    So we truss Ted like a turkey and then what?

  10. 10.

    satby

    February 12, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    I can see I may need to stay off the tubes for the duration of both the primary and the general or no one will be speaking to me by the end. I’m not afraid of confrontation, but there’s just so much to confront and only one of me!

  11. 11.

    jacy

    February 12, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    Anybody who would download an app named “Cruz Crew” deserves to have their data mined. And mined hard.

  12. 12.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 12, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @g: If, FSM forbid, we had a President Cruz (yecchh – I can’t believe I just typed that!), I don’t believe for a second that he wouldn’t use the NSA to keep a very close eye on all of us, and secretly sell the data to the highest bidder (I mean campaign contributor)…

  13. 13.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Should name the app ‘Cruz Control’ instead.

  14. 14.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 12, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    @jl: Cruz’in for a bruising…

  15. 15.

    gex

    February 12, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    Seems like there’s no contradiction by Cruz or the kinds of people who support him. Anything they hate the government doing to them they are more than happy to let private industry do to them.

  16. 16.

    dexwood

    February 12, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    Toss him to hyenas.

  17. 17.

    MattF

    February 12, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    @gex: Cruz believes he is the Chosen One– which puts him beyond ordinary morality. We wag our fingers at him and say “Bad Ted!”, but that’s not going to daunt him. Or should I say Him.

  18. 18.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter: Is that you, Baud?
    I’ll assume so, the Baud! campaign has been going down that route.

  19. 19.

    Redshift

    February 12, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    But as long as it’s not the nasty, low-minded gubmint getting all up in your psychographics, it’s all good — right, Freedumb luvvers?

    Whether they admit it or not, that is basically the libertarian argument. Evil government invading your privacy is unacceptable, having criminal penalties for not paying taxes is “stealing your money through threats of violence,” but you’ll never need government to protect you from corporations invading your privacy or sending goons to break your kneecaps if you don’t pay them. If you don’t like it, get your own goons.

    Cruz won’t say that, of course, but it’d be nice if someone pointed it out.

  20. 20.

    kc

    February 12, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    [YAWN] Only white dudebros care about their privacy.

  21. 21.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    February 12, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    I have never been too terribly concerned about the government having my data (save that they give it away to hackers constantly). That could change if a religious maniac got into office and decided to kill everyone he considered an unbeliever, and could get the entirety of the armed forces to go along with that program, but I consider that fairly unlikely.

    They certainly couldn’t fuck you as hard as, let’s say, your health insurer. Or your mortgage holder. Or your credit card company. Or your employer.

    All the citizens screeching about how government is the enemy are wrong. Corporations are the enemy. They have the power and the money.

  22. 22.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Redshift: If you have no goons, or yours don’t stay bought and turn on you, then you’ve revealed your preference, and would have had paid for better goons, and everything is optimal, and everything is good.

    @CONGRATULATIONS!: but they have it optimally, by definition. Whatever happens in libertarian land always makes sense, that is why they are all so dang smart.

  23. 23.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 12, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    @jl: Sorry, just a long time lurker who decided to use his ‘nym to give Baud a hard time. :)

  24. 24.

    kc

    February 12, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    Ew, the Sanders app is almost as bad.

    This is gross. Don’t know why anyone would sign up for this.

  25. 25.

    Roger Moore

    February 12, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    So we truss Ted like a turkey and then what?

    Give him a Trans Rectal Ultra Sound (TRUS). If we’re feeling especially generous, we can even lubricate the probe.

  26. 26.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 12, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter: I guess I could have gone with Right2Baud or something. But I just can’t see trolling for Baud this year.

  27. 27.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter: Oh yeah, sure, sure you are.

  28. 28.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 12, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    @MattF: AnoinTED

  29. 29.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 12, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    Uh, wasn’t John Cole just praising the Bernie Sanders campaign for how well they were microtargeting him?

  30. 30.

    Roger Moore

    February 12, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter:

    AnoinTED

    And if the Supreme Court has to rule on the election, AppoinTED.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    @jl:

    Baud should sue Cruz for stealing top secret Baud! 2016! campaign PR tricks.

    Pfft. Soft porn. Amateur.

  32. 32.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    @Baud: Some Fuckhead said you were too young to be President.
    Baud Fraud!

    If you are going to win when you are unqualified, you sure have to think of something more interesting than that. Cruz has you beat there too.

    How much free media you get out of being too young?
    What a pathetic campaign.

    Edit: some ideas free of charge. Plant a false death certificate and then when it comes out, claim it is true. Or wipe your ass with it and stuff it in a glory hole next time you’re in a public restroom. Something like that would put you in contention with a pro like Cruz.

    Edit: I can see why you are not in the GOP primary. No way you could compete.

  33. 33.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    I haven’t had a chance to watch Funny or Die’s Donald Trump biopic starring Johnny Depp, but I’m going to try and watch it this weekend. People are going nuts for it.

  34. 34.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    February 12, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    I hope this asshole gets nominated, if only to watch his “friends” in Congress swallow their dignity and morals and fall in line behind him.

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    February 12, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    @Baud: can’t wait for your first campaign commercial

  36. 36.

    Splitting Image

    February 12, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    Jim Gilmore has apparently suspended his campaign.

    This leaves just six candidates in the race, which means things are getting real. Whoever finishes below Ben Carson in South Carolina will be out. Kasich, Bush, and Rubio will all have to work double-time to make sure that this isn’t them.

  37. 37.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Open Thread Topic – This might do for the Front Page

    http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/

    Yesterday the DCCC brought back their Red-to-Blue program, almost a decade after Debbie Wasserman Schultz had so damaged its brand by backing 3 Republican pals of hers while she was head of the committee.

    “The DCCC just named Monica Vernon to our Red to Blue program,” he wrote in big bold type, neglecting to mention that Vernon is a “former” Republican, who, along with her husband– still a Republican– have given thousands of dollars to GOP candidates and that she’s running against the former Speaker of the Iowa House of Representatives, Pat Murphy, a very accomplished progressive.

    “The DCCC’s Red to Blue program supports Democrats running in Republican-leaning districts across the country,” continued the deceptive Luján, who neglected to mention that the district is not a “Republican-leaning district” but one with a D+5 that Obama won both times, in 2008 with 58% and in 2012 with 56%.

  38. 38.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    February 12, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    @Splitting Image: Katich and Bush started sniping at each other, which I think makes fourth place in the GOP primary race the most heated contest we’re seeing right now.

  39. 39.

    trollhattan

    February 12, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    @Baud:
    How is “soft porn” even a thing? Didn’t a SCOTUS justice maintain he couldn’t define porn but “knows it when he sees it”?

    Russ Meyer approves this message.

  40. 40.

    redshirt

    February 12, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    @trollhattan: Skinemax is soft porn.

  41. 41.

    The Golux

    February 12, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    Cruz needs to branch out, sell some merch using the -Ted suffix:

    ErecTed — boner pills
    UnconstipaTed — stool softener
    DemenTed — a mirror (since all his supporters are)

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    February 12, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    Since is open thread, a quick lesson on “how not to end a drought” from the middle of California:

    Last seven days high temperatures– 62, 65, 70, 75, 73, 71, 71; rainfall–0
    Next five-day forecast– 71, 71, 75, 77, 75

    A message from the Council on Why Your Lettuce Costs So Damn Much.

  43. 43.

    Mike in DC

    February 12, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    CorrupTed. PerverTed. DemenTed. TormenTed.

  44. 44.

    Redshift

    February 12, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Uh, wasn’t John Cole just praising the Bernie Sanders campaign for how well they were microtargeting him?

    Targeting him based on information he’d explicitly given them — his address. That seems rather different to me.

    It is also true that the Obama campaign was big into microtargeting, including correlating supporter information with commercial databases they purchased. However, they weren’t asking for broad access to mine your Facebook profile, tracking your location, and they didn’t wholesale hand over the rights to your data to a data mining campaign contributor.

  45. 45.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @The Golux:

    “DemenTed” – I think the former senator from SC has that one covered.

  46. 46.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    @trollhattan: Another series of storms predicted for late February, early March. Keep your fingers crossed.

  47. 47.

    Calouste

    February 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    Cambridge has a massive 10 terabyte database — enough to fill more than 2,100 DVDs — that contains as many as 5,000 biographical details about the 240 million Americans of voting age.

    I’d estimate that 80% of that data is worthless rubbish, but it sells well to easy to fool marketeers and people like that.

  48. 48.

    bystander

    February 12, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Am I alone in feeling that if you become a member of the KruzKrew and download the app, you deserve everything you get and more?

  49. 49.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @Redshift: IIRC, Sanders campaign knew what cities were near where Cole was when he sent in his contribution.

    Let’s see what happens if Cole gets pitches for Sanders netti pot, kitty litter, and naked mopping campaign gear.

  50. 50.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    Interesting snippet of news

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/black-caucus-pac-donna-edwards-219214

    The political action committee behind the Congressional Black Caucus passed on endorsing Rep. Donna Edwards in her Maryland Senate primary — a public snub of the African-American lawmaker who has a contentious relationship with many of her colleagues.

    “This result does not come as a surprise given that former congressman-turned lobbyist Al Wynn, whom Donna defeated in a Democratic primary in 2008, is an active member of the PAC board,” said campaign spokesman Benjamin Gerdes.

  51. 51.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 12, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    @Redshift: OK, fair enough.

  52. 52.

    MomSense

    February 12, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    Well I’m doing just great taking only ibuprofen after my root canal today. The worst part was the novacaine and the music. Whoever suggested headphones this morning is brilliant but mine have been pilfered by my kids. Michael Buble really?

    Donated to Hillary’s campaign today because I’m solidly team no fucking Republicans whatever it takes.

    Some friends are coming over for a takeout potluck which is the greatest invention in dinner parties for busy people. Happy Friday everyone.

  53. 53.

    Calouste

    February 12, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @Splitting Image: I thought Gilmore’s strategy was to wait for all but one of the other candidates to drop out and then cruise to victory as the only non-Trump (or non-Cruz) left in the race.

  54. 54.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @satby:

    Tell me about it. I’m so over the Sanders fans on my FB feed. One (white, male) FB friend of a friend was just sliming John Lewis, saying that he has done more damage to the civil rights movement than anyone ever. It’s sickening. Can’t stand the arrogance of too many of these people.

  55. 55.

    trollhattan

    February 12, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    @jl:
    Fingers, toes, stars, streets…all crossed. Feb has been a dramatic reversal of January.

  56. 56.

    trollhattan

    February 12, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    @Calouste:
    Probably discovered he’s not getting the coveted Adam Sandler endorsement. No Happy Gilmore, no happy Gilmore.

  57. 57.

    Keith G

    February 12, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @efgoldman: I hate an issue being made of the past, lawful conduct of someone who is not running for office. This is especially the case if the issue is being voiced by liberals.

    Fvck Pierce (and other liberals) for laughing and pointing at the Buzzfeed (no point in criticizing that shit pile) article.

    “But Teddy is such a moral scold”

    Yes he is, but this is not about that. It is about private individuals being able to seek employment without undue barriers.

    This episode will not damage Ted, but it damn sure will change the hiring practices of agencies shooting political ads. This really stinks.

  58. 58.

    Soylent Green

    February 12, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    The Bundy Ranch Facebook page exhorted all true Patriots to march on downtown Portland today, but their demonstration is a nothingburger. There are about a dozen people standing quietly in front of the federal courthouse holding large American flags (and one Don’t Tread On Me) while office workers pass by disinterestedly. These folks appear to be local Bundy sympathizers, not outside agitators. No one is wearing camo and there are no weapons on display. Michele Fiore was supposed to be presiding but I think she is in a nearby Starbucks reassessing the political optics.

    Yesterday the only protester here was one goofball in the park across the street, blowing his ramhorn vuvuzela.

    I would say that, for now, these cow lovers have been cowed.

  59. 59.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @satby:

    I’m still snickering at the fragile flower yesterday who was insisting that calling a guy a “bro” is just as bad as calling a woman the c-word. Uh, yeah, good luck with that.

  60. 60.

    Raven Onthill

    February 12, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    The Obama 2012 campaign a database of every potential voter in the USA. This is sleazier, but still a logical development. Building a database of personal information about, literally, everyone is within the reach of any moderately wealthy person or group, and supporting it with an app like this is entirely legal in the USA. The paranoid nightmare of someone watching has been realized. Not only is someone watching, everyone is watching.

    Shoulda listened to the cipherpunks when they warned us.

    (More here, with links.)

  61. 61.

    Mike in NC

    February 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    @Gimlet: But Jim DeMint gave up his senate seat for a gig at Heritage Foundation that probably paid ten times the salary. Cruz will eventually drop out of politics for a similar lucrative deal collecting wingnut welfare for the rest of his life.

  62. 62.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 12, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @Soylent Green: And Ramhorn Vuvuzela’s second album is _such_ a disappointment, isn’t it? :P

  63. 63.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @MomSense:

    If you have a good dentist or endontist, a root canal isn’t that bad (though you need to keep up the ibuprofen for at least three days). I always wear headphones for dental work (even a filling) because I’m a dental chicken.

  64. 64.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I’ve been so spoiled this winter! But this week has really reminded me that I live in PA and, yes, it’s still winter.

  65. 65.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    Going to pick up our first fish fry sandwiches, coleslaw and fries of the Lenten fish fry season! The only reason this recovered Catholic still looks forward to Lent.

  66. 66.

    trollhattan

    February 12, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @Soylent Green:
    Trying and failing to envision a city less-susceptible to the many Bundy charms than Portland. Here’s hoping they get run over by the Brew Bike. Perfect fate for a Mormon thief.

  67. 67.

    WarMunchkin

    February 12, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    Holy shit, Ted Cruz.

    Warning: Ted Cruz Campaign Advertisement

    Way to bring up the e-mails and the race dogwhistle in one go.

  68. 68.

    chopper

    February 12, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @geg6:

    One (white, male) FB friend of a friend was just sliming John Lewis, saying that he has done more damage to the civil rights movement than anyone ever.

    jesus christ inna chicken basket, that’s just sad.

  69. 69.

    Felonius Monk

    February 12, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    Where’s the FuckTED sign? Did I miss it?

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    February 12, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @WarMunchkin: That ad seems to be getting a lot of buzz. Is it more effective than I think it is? What I remember most from that movie is Gary Cole and Milton Waddams.

  71. 71.

    Ken

    February 12, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: giblet removal?

  72. 72.

    Keith G

    February 12, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Well, gee; then why did he pull the ad so quickly

    Because that was the appropriate to prevent a larger issue from being made of it. Things like that further dumbs down our politics and sets precedents for others.

    For me, this issue is part of a larger issue I fought against when I worked with a community nonprofit. Part of our mission was helping folks return to the workforce and one of our challenges was overcoming defensive hiring policies. So, yeah, this woman will be fine, I imagine, but this episode strikes a nerve when I think of the employers that I dealt with who had unnecessarily picky employment screening.

  73. 73.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 12, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Felonius Monk: FarTED

  74. 74.

    WarMunchkin

    February 12, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @Felonius Monk: I think they call that “TedX”.

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist: I don’t think it’s effective except among Republicans and BernieBros. I just note how not-so-subtly he’s trying to tie Clinton’s e-mail issue with scary blackness. These folks are so goddamn smarmy.

  75. 75.

    debbie

    February 12, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Why isn’t the Cruz campaign’s lies about Carson withdrawing from the campaign right before the vote in Iowa included in this post? I think it’s more egregious than the bogus mailers and I think it shows the RNC’s depravity for not protesting these tactics vociferously.

  76. 76.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The best are the local church fish fries. One local church has a large number of congregants of Polish descent. We get the fish there for Friday night and also pick up a bunch of their homemade pierogies for another meal over the weekend. They just melt in your mouth. You bring a container and they fill it up for you. No container, no pierogies. You have to know the local mores to get the most delicious food at church fish fries.

  77. 77.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 12, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @MattF: It’s Rmoney & the White Horse Prophecy, updated for 2016–i.e., minus the front half of the horse.

  78. 78.

    Luthe

    February 12, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    Once again, I am ever so glad I never signed up for Facebook.Makes it that much harder for these assholes to data-mine me.

  79. 79.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    February 12, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @satby:

    I feel like Buffy the Bro Slayer. I feel your pain. Invasion of the Body Snatchers comes to mind.

  80. 80.

    Felonius Monk

    February 12, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @geg6:

    The only reason this recovered Catholic still looks forward to Lent.

    Bless you. Teach a woman to fish and they can eat forever.

  81. 81.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @efgoldman:

    It’s infuriating. I think steam was coming out of my ears when I read the comment. I mentally composed a long screed but chose to refrain and just said that smearing John Lewis wasn’t winning any friends for his candidate.

  82. 82.

    debbie

    February 12, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @geg6:

    I heard earlier today that Lewis had said he never saw Sanders involved with the civil rights movement. Maybe that comment was a reaction to this?

  83. 83.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    Been an interesting few days of posting by the blogmeister here. When did he declare as a Democrat? Was it before ’04 or after? He seemed at times to realize that the national Democratic Party is a cock-up, but Obama and his people, and Nancy Hammer, have for the most part spoiled us all. It’s just harder I guess on newbies like John compared to us long time suffering Dems who know the true face of the national party resembles Alfred E. Neuman’s.

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @geg6:

    I know I’m fully recovered because I had roast beef for lunch today.

    But, then, I never liked fish, so I always ended up eating vegetarian on Lenten Fridays.

  85. 85.

    satby

    February 12, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @MomSense: good to hear that it all went well. Enjoy the weekend!

  86. 86.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    ” Where’s the FuckTED sign? Did I miss it? ”

    All of these types of questions will be answered in the new TED Talks, after he takes that over.
    Slightly less exciting than before, since we will always know who will be speaking.
    But they can be micro-targeted to specific demographics to always say what he thinks you’d like to hear.

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @debbie:

    Part of the problem is that there’s a photo going around of a crowd of protesters that appears to include both Sanders and Lewis, but the “Sanders” in the photo is a different guy who looked similar at that age. So, because this misleading and misidentified photo is available, Berniebros decided that Lewis was outright lying. Hang on, I’ll come back with the Snopes link.

  88. 88.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @p.a.: Needs to be a process whereby Barack, Harry and Nancy can be invoked and their wisdom infused into whatever goofballs are running things for the DNC.

    We need a DNC Parthy Medium.

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    @debbie:

    Snopes link. Sanders was not at Selma, but his supporters latched onto this photo.

  90. 90.

    John PM

    February 12, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    The Ted Cruz presidential campaign, brought to you by HYDRA…

  91. 91.

    JPL

    February 12, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    @MomSense: Wahoo!

  92. 92.

    Marc

    February 12, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Lewis implied that Sanders was lying about being in the civil rights movement. This pissed off his suppoters, because it isn’t correct. Someone can have a distinguished past and be wrong about something. And their past isn’t a shield against criticism.

  93. 93.

    satby

    February 12, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @geg6: @Mnemosyne: @the Conster, la Citoyenne: I hear you. And I’m still officially hanging on to neutral, but barely, because the derp is so deep. Not to mention the misogyny.
    And I can’t even with the Trump curious.

  94. 94.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @John PM: You sure you don’t mean brought to you by Vivid Adult Entertainment? (I’m cruddy enough to know about it, but not so cruddy to include a link.)

  95. 95.

    debbie

    February 12, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Thanks for that link.

    At the bottom, it says that “even Sanders himself hasn’t claimed he took part in the march.” This is like Swiftboating all over again. Between the rabid Sanders followers and the over-zealous supporters of Clinton, the craziness is getting out of hand.

    To be honest, I found Madeline Albright’s remark incredibly offensive. Steinem’s maybe a bit less. But sadly, I can say both sides do it and I’ll be right. It should all stop.

  96. 96.

    debbie

    February 12, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @debbie:

    I’ll also say that anyone old enough to remember the Civil Rights era wouldn’t disparage John Lewis. I assume the smears came from young’uns?

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    @Marc:

    Sanders was not at Selma. Full stop. Claiming that Lewis is “lying” when he says he didn’t see Bernie Sanders is itself a lie.

    According to the Sanders campaign, Sanders attended the March on Washington in 1963 and then concentrated on student organizing with the SNCC at the University of Chicago for the next 3 or 4 years, so it’s not surprising that Lewis never heard of him since Lewis was doing different work, like getting the shit beaten out of him on the Edmund Pettis Bridge.

    But, hey, continue to insist that a revered civil rights figure who still bears the scars he got in Selma isn’t giving Bernie enough credit for his student organizing. That’s going over really, really well outside your bubble.

  98. 98.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    February 12, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Why can’t we just all agree that Bernie is the most wonderful, purest, kindest, human who ever humaned, evah?

  99. 99.

    Doug R

    February 12, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    @Soylent Green: Are you sure it’s not a Portlandia sketch?

  100. 100.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    Same issues different contestants.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/269283-harry-reid-calls-on-alan-grayson-to-drop-out

    Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Friday pressed Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) to drop his Senate bid amid scrutiny surrounding his hedge fund. Reid challenged Grayson’s progressive credentials and criticized the Florida congressman’s “moral compass” based on the recent reports about his fund.

    “Sen. Reid may well prefer corrupt Establishment errand boy Patrick Murphy, who routinely sells his vote to Wall Street lobbyists, and just last week hid from voting on his own bill providing amnesty to white-collar criminals,” Grayson said in a statement.

    The fund, which was created in 2011 after Grayson lost reelection, has dogged his campaign. In late October, he met with an ethics investigator regarding accusations surrounding the account.

    In emails from June 2015, Grayson’s former campaign manager, Doug Dodson, pressed him to close the account to avoid media scrutiny that could imperil his Senate campaign.

    But Grayson refuted the advice, pushing back that closing the account could make him look guilty.

  101. 101.

    Richard Mayhew

    February 12, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    @p.a.: 05/06 was his road to Damascus moment precipated by schiavo. Before that he had doubts

  102. 102.

    Jeffro

    February 12, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    OT but the WaPo has an article up where George W is “mystified” where all this anger came from on the GOP side and why those voters aren’t flocking to his brother Jeb…truly, the mind boggles.

    It’s almost like there was something going on in 2001-2007 that resulted in an earthshaking event in late 2008, to be followed by 7 years or so of those GOP voters seething and ranting hard…I just can’t put my finger on what it is…

  103. 103.

    Doug R

    February 12, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @trollhattan: Or the bagpiping Darth Vader on a unicycle.

  104. 104.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    February 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Just for you, from Texts from last night:

    (413):
    My neighbors are white girl rapping to Hamilton again…

  105. 105.

    Keith G

    February 12, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    isn’t giving Bernie enough credit for his student organizing.

    And here I thought that student/community organizing was an important path to the presidency.

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    @Keith G:

    If Bernie was smart, I think that’s how he could tamp down the controversy: I didn’t meet Mr. Lewis while he was marching with Dr. King because I was a community organizer in Chicago at the time. Hopefully someone on the Sanders team is smart enough to do that before this gets any nastier.

  107. 107.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @Soylent Green:

    The Bundy Ranch Facebook page exhorted all true Patriots to march on downtown Portland today, but their demonstration is a nothingburger. There are about a dozen people standing quietly in front of the federal courthouse holding large American flags (and one Don’t Tread On Me) while office workers pass by disinterestedly. These folks appear to be local Bundy sympathizers, not outside agitators. No one is wearing camo and there are no weapons on display. Michele Fiore was supposed to be presiding but I think she is in a nearby Starbucks reassessing the political optics.

    I love that you are posting this stuff. It’s a reminder that real people are affected by this lunacy; it’s not just LARPing.

    Note: “real people” in this context includes imaginary internet friends such as Soylent Green. Which may or may not be her real name.

  108. 108.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    I was at Selma.

  109. 109.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Somebody caught me singing along to “That Would Be Enough” in my car last night. It was a little embarrassing.

  110. 110.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @efgoldman: Isn’t Murphy still in the race?

  111. 111.

    Peale

    February 12, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @Gimlet: wow. Has it really been a decade since that?

  112. 112.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    Pardon me. I meant to say that I recently watched Selma.

    Oops.

  113. 113.

    Mnemosyne

    February 12, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I do think a big part of the problem is that the Berniebros thought they had proof that John Lewis was lying, but they didn’t verify it, and now it’s gotten so nasty that they can’t back down and admit the error.

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist: With so many talented people on BJ… someone should definitely do a little video for Baud! 2016! (baud, are you listening?)

    @Baud: That made me laugh. It’s easy for me to laugh about that, though, since I saw you at Selma.

  115. 115.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Splitting Image: It’s good to have something concrete to work towards! Note to self, don’t be last.

  116. 116.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Baud:

    Which side were you on?

  117. 117.

    Nate Dawg

    February 12, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: did we every decide what to call the nasty, vitriolic @Baud supporters?

    I am more in line with his policy proposals, but have been completely turned off because of them!!!!!!

  118. 118.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @MomSense: I had no idea that a “take out potluck” was even a thing. That really is a good idea.

  119. 119.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @efgoldman:
    @Baud:
    Blog commenter (possible undercover conservative? It would be wrong not to speculate) uncovers CV falsification of candidate Baud!

    Blaming of intern in 3… 2…

  120. 120.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    did we every decide what to call the nasty, vitriolic @Baud supporters?

    I like Baudzillas myself.

  121. 121.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Soylent Green: You post reminded me of the “Tranny” sign I saw in one of the photos. That was just too funny.

  122. 122.

    eemom

    February 12, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Lots of skeletons still to tumble from Bernie’s closet.

    A less overtly hostile version of same story.

    Not that I think any of this would be damning in a sane world. But we don’t live there. The republitards are fucking drooling over this shit.

  123. 123.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Donald Trump supporters filed a lawsuit Feb. 3 at a district court in Alabama, seeking a judgment “declaring that Rafael Edward Cruz is ineligible to qualify/run/seek and be elected to the Office of the President of the United States of America” due to his Canadian birth.

  124. 124.

    Chyron HR

    February 12, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Okay, but this photo of Sanders dating the lovely and talented Diane Keaton is real, right?

  125. 125.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @Gimlet: Supplied police dogs. He notes he had no control over how dogs were used. We’ve come a long way; even Selma didn’t think to sue marchers for police overtime payments and firehose water like Cleveland has gone after the Rice family for Tamir’s ambulance use. Fuckers.

  126. 126.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @Gimlet: Oprah’s.

  127. 127.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne: That guy is pretty much of dick. Oh well. at least any threads he’s in will be faster to read.

  128. 128.

    EdinNJ

    February 12, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @WarMunchkin:

    Hate Cruz with a passion, but you’re reaching here. It’s actually a very funny ad. This is a parody of a scene from Office Space. The music is the same, with the words changed from It Feels Great to Be a Gangsta, replacing Gangsta with Clinton.

  129. 129.

    Tracy Peters Jr

    February 12, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    With Gilmore out the only true grifter left is Ben Carson. How long will he last?

  130. 130.

    frosty fka Bro Shotgun etc etc

    February 12, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Calouste:

    I’d estimate that 80% of that data is worthless rubbish…

    My only experience is clicking on that “Instant Checkmate” ad that mines all public data and profiles you. Not very good, they didn’t pick up the fact I’ve had a PE for 25 years and I’m on 4 state websites. I expect Ted’s database is no better.

  131. 131.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    My back is bugging me today. I decided to drink wine instead of taking advil. Seemed like a good choice for a Friday night.

  132. 132.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @EdinNJ: IMHO, it made Clinton look cool.

  133. 133.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @WaterGirl: I like the way you think. That’s why you’re my Valarie Jarrett.

  134. 134.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @geg6: I grew up in a polish/bohemian neighborhood. I miss pierogies. :-(

    And kolachkis (sp?) :: sniff sniff ::

  135. 135.

    Mandalay

    February 12, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @efgoldman:

    If Grayson costs the Democrats a winnable senate seat in Florida, he needs to be pushed out to sea in a rowboat with no oars.

    He won’t – our DINO Rep. Patrick Murphy will be using Grayson as a floor mop – but I still endorse your proposal (sans rowboat of course).

    But there is some cheerier news on the election front down here: DWS has a challenger, and he may present a serious threat to Her Awfulness:

    For the first time in her long congressional career, she faces a primary challenger for the Democratic nomination. He’s Tim Canova, a smart, articulate, sophisticated lawyer with a history of activism both with the Occupy movement (he’s against the Wall Street bailout for which Wasserman Schultz voted and the general excesses of big banks and crony capitalism) as well as a steadfast opponent of the Patriot Act (for which Wasserman Schultz repeatedly voted).

    Think of that: no DWS to stink up the joint!

  136. 136.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    February 12, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Almost. But I’m not a bro, so what do I know.

  137. 137.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 12, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Baud: I had a porn star explain the difference between soft and hard porn. There is no difference in what happens, only what’s filmed(camera angles and close-ups).

    ETA: We call porn stars, “Hi neighbor”, around these parts.

  138. 138.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @p.a.: “Blaming of intern in 3… 2…”

    Oh, dear. I read that as Banging of intern… I guess I’ve had enough wine. But my back is starting to feel better, so I hate to stop.

  139. 139.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 12, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @trollhattan: You all got it easy in the north, it’s been over 90 here the past few days.

  140. 140.

    WereBear

    February 12, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    If the President does it, it’s not illegal.

  141. 141.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @Baud: I had your back on Selma, too, and then you made me look bad with your correction. :-)

  142. 142.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Goldman was giving me the third degree. It was brutal.

  143. 143.

    Admiral_Komack

    February 12, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    “But in talking about the struggles of middle- and lower-class America, Clinton was met with silence when he said President Barack Obama wasn’t a “change-maker” like Hillary. He clarified a few sentences later that Obama has had accomplishments, including the Affordable Care Act.”

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/government/bill-clinton-makes-memphis-stop-for-wifes-campaign-2b822367-7dc6-3729-e053-0100007f0adf-368546981.html?d=mobile

    -That’s the way you engage the voters, Bill Clinton (snark)!

    You bastard!

  144. 144.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    “Explain” or “demonstrate”?

  145. 145.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: I repeat: it would be wrong not to speculate! From padding a CV to sex scandal in 4 comments- Baud! is a man of action!

  146. 146.

    Gimlet

    February 12, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/henry-kissinger-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-debate-213626

    Kissinger usually gets a free pass in Washington, where celebrity has a way of overshadowing historical analysis, but it’s still jarring to see Hillary Clinton embracing him. After all, in her youth, she protested against the Vietnam war and served as a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee considering impeaching President Richard Nixon for Watergate. But in more recent days, she lauded Kissinger’s historic outreach to China in her 2014 memoir Hard Choices, and wrote a fawning Washington Post review of his latest book in September 2014, calling him a personal friend and adviser while praising the book as “vintage Kissinger, with his singular combination of breadth and acuity.”

    Despite Kissinger’s efforts to cultivate Clinton and other grandees, his reputation has been undermined by the realities revealed on the White House tapes. In 1969, he recommended a risky nuclear alert in 1969 to spook the Soviet Union. In September 1971, he privately told Nixon, “If we had done Cambodia in ’66, and Laos in ’67, the war would be history.” And in 1971, in one of the darkest American chapters of the Cold War, he and Nixon supported a brutal military dictatorship in Pakistan while it unleashed a devastating crackdown on what was then East Pakistan and is now Bangladesh. Both the CIA and the State Department conservatively estimated that about two hundred thousand people perished, while ten million desperate Bengali refugees fled into India. Kissinger joked about the massacre of Bengali Hindus, and privately scorned those Americans who “bleed” for “the dying Bengalis.”

    In the Milwaukee debate, Sanders announced that he had a “very profound difference” with Clinton. “In her book and in this last debate, she talked about getting the approval or the support or the mentoring of Henry Kissinger,” he said with disbelief. “Now I find it rather amazing, because I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country

  147. 147.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @debbie:

    Madeline Albright has been using that line for decades. She says it in almost every speech she’s ever given. I find it offensive that people are offended by it.

    As for the Bernie bro asshole sliming John Lewis, he is a retired old white dfh who needs to shut his fucking pie hole.

  148. 148.

    Felanius Kootea

    February 12, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Wellesley College picks its first African-American president, Paula Johnson, who’s been on the faculty at Harvard Medical School and School of Public Health for eons. She said something about many Wellesley students supporting Hillary’s campaign (not surprising since Hillary is a Wellesley alumna).
    My friends who are also SevenSisters alumnae are thrilled.

  149. 149.

    Brachiator

    February 12, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Per Professor Pierce, Tailgunner Ted’s campaign also hired a soft porn actress for an odious commercial, which has been pulled.

    Pulled. The commercial or the actress?

  150. 150.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    It’s kolache. There’s a local restaurant here named Cafe Kolache. OMG, so good!

  151. 151.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @Admiral_Komack:

    The ” was met with silence ” is not in the link. Note says paragraph was edited to clarify a quote. But more editing done than that. Wonder if somebody saw that phrase and made a stink.

    Bill might help HRC more if he were reserved for the general election.
    Bill might have a problem losing his touch unless he is the star. Might be a ‘really big feud over small differences’ type of guy.

  152. 152.

    ? Martin

    February 12, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    did we every decide what to call the nasty, vitriolic @Baud supporters?

    ‘300 bauds’. Slow and noisy.

  153. 153.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 12, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @Baud: Colbert was at the march on Washington(actually his parents were and his mom was pregers with Steven).

  154. 154.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @geg6: That’s how I tried to spell it but autocorrect kept changing it on me and I finally gave up. My will just wasn’t strong enough.

    I have a recipe from the person who made the best kolaches when I was growing up – I have tried to make it but the recipe is clearly not right because they just don’t come out the same. sigh. Eat some for me, along with the pierogis!

  155. 155.

    John Revolta

    February 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: I think it’s kolachkes. Anyway, who cares- just gimmee some!!
    Prune, cheese, apricot………….no poppy seed though. Eewww. Although hell, I might like ’em now- I haven’t had any since maybe the Carter administration. :^(

  156. 156.

    Brachiator

    February 12, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @Marc:

    Lewis implied that Sanders was lying about being in the civil rights movement

    That was not the point of Lewis’ remarks.

    This is a battle that the Bernie bros cannot possibly win. And it puts Sanders in the position of having to do damage control when he could be doing more to expand his support.

  157. 157.

    Villago Delenda Est

    February 12, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    I’ve always been more concerned about what the private sector does with individual personal data than what the government does. This is an example of the private sector’s insatiable appetite for something they can monetize.

  158. 158.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    I don’t want to get ugly, but I’ve seen “try and” both here and on LGM today. Come on, people–we are better than that!

    Baud, what’s your plan to address grammar mistakes? Pedantry czar perhaps?

  159. 159.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That’s how I would have wanted to be there. I hate crowds.

  160. 160.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Try and stop us!

  161. 161.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @jl: I should of spoken up earlier!

  162. 162.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I will try and create an Office of Grammar Nazi.

  163. 163.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    February 12, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @Baud: I was at Selma.

    Bouvier, or Diamond?

  164. 164.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @Baud: Some Fuckhead says you are too young to be president. That true?

    #StopBaudFraud!

    Edit: Asking Baud! 2016! whether something is true is pointless, for a variety of reasons, though.

  165. 165.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @Baud: We’re all good.

  166. 166.

    Villago Delenda Est

    February 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist: /highfive

  167. 167.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @p.a.: Baud! 2016! He gets it done!!

    (Fits on a bumper sticker, too!) I think we should make up a Baud 2016 bumper sticker. For real. I would put one on my car.

  168. 168.

    WereBear

    February 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Gimlet: I find that connection quite disturbing.

  169. 169.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist: Or Blair?

  170. 170.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @John Revolta: “Prune, cheese, apricot………….no poppy seed though.”

    Okay, that’s just wrong! Apricot is #1, followed by poppy seed, then sour cherry. Prune? Cheese? I will see you at dawn, good sir!

  171. 171.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @jl: I’m America’s first virtual candidate for President. I am timeless.

  172. 172.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @WereBear: Can that SOB leave the country? Isn’t someone out there (I hope I hope) waiting to drag his murderous ass to The Hague?

  173. 173.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    @Baud: Baud Headroom!

  174. 174.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @Baud: OK, fine.

    As I said above, if you want to win and don’t meet the qualifications for the office, you need something more exciting than that. Yeesh.

    Cruz is more unqualified than you any day. You have an answer for that? You are ‘timeless’? How you going to get any cross-over GOP votes?

    Well, a virtual campaign for a virtual candidate. I guess it is what it is.

  175. 175.

    Poopyman

    February 12, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @geg6: Dammit! Now you’re making me homesick.

    OTOH, I just had a more awesome Indian dinner than I think I ever could have before I emigrated to Maryland. I suspect there’s more parity these days.

  176. 176.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @p.a.: Meanwhile, the speaker lineup at my alma mater tonight:

    Dick Cheney
    Ed Gillespie
    Grover Norquist
    Ann Coulter
    Matt Bevin

    Adding Kissinger is about the only way to make that worse.

  177. 177.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    February 12, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    I see a lot of people saying that HRC called Kissinger her “mentor”. What’s the source on that?

  178. 178.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Where did you go? The University of Hell?

  179. 179.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist: The internet.

  180. 180.

    Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)

    February 12, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    A Fistful of Baud

  181. 181.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @jl:

    How you going to get any cross-over GOP votes?

    Didn’t you read upthread? Ads with porn stars. Republicans love porn.

  182. 182.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @Baud: It has become that, apparently!

    Washington and Lee. They do a mock convention every four years to try TO predict the nominee for the out of power party, and get speakers from that side. My year our keynote speaker was the up and coming governor of Arkansas, young William Clinton. And yes I have stories from that night, and no I’m not telling them here. But he is (was?) incredibly charismatic in person.

  183. 183.

    Felonius Monk

    February 12, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @Baud:

    I will try and create an Office of Grammar Nazi.

    Will it be tolerant of Yiddish?

  184. 184.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @Baud:

    Didn’t you read upthread? Ads with porn stars. Republicans love porn.

    If you really want to get Republican votes, it should be repressed gay porn

  185. 185.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    I can see that attack ads already

    Baud: not unqualified enough to be president!

    How’s he going to run against a GOPer after they come at him with that?
    Gonna get creamed.

  186. 186.

    John Revolta

    February 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @WaterGirl:Pastries at dawn, eh? I don’t usually do mornings, but if you’re bringing kolachkes, you’ve got a date!

  187. 187.

    Poopyman

    February 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @Richard Mayhew: Ho. Lee. Shit. That means I’ve been hanging out here over ten years.

    Sighhhhhhhhhhh.

  188. 188.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @jl:

    Gonna get creamed.

    Ads with porn stars.

  189. 189.

    Felonius Monk

    February 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @WaterGirl: Sorry. Poppy seed is #1, then raspberry, lemon, and cheese. (glove is thrown down) One-half hour before dawn, madam!

  190. 190.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    February 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @Baud: I would like to Grammar Czarina if there isn’t a high level spot for me at Justice.

  191. 191.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @Baud:

    ” Didn’t you read upthread? Ads with porn stars. Republicans love porn. ”

    How can a virtual candidate be in an ad ‘with porn stars’?
    You have not thought this through.

    Maybe a brave BJ commenter will volunteer to stand in for you.

  192. 192.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): That’s the job you want. Justice is for loosers.

  193. 193.

    Baud

    February 12, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Why start now?

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I would like to Grammar Czarina

    Ahem. You’ll need to try harder.

  194. 194.

    debbie

    February 12, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @geg6:

    Madeleine herself would disagree with you.

    “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.” It is a phrase I first used almost 25 years ago, when I was the United States ambassador to the United Nations and worked closely with the six other female U.N. ambassadors. But this time, to my surprise, it went viral.

    I absolutely believe what I said, that women should help one another, but this was the wrong context and the wrong time to use that line. I did not mean to argue that women should support a particular candidate based solely on gender. But I understand that I came across as condemning those who disagree with my political preferences.

  195. 195.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @John Revolta: Screw the pistols part, let’s just eat and argue about which ones are better.

  196. 196.

    debbie

    February 12, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    Scrolling up, I was disappointed to learn you weren’t talking about hamentaschen.

  197. 197.

    scav

    February 12, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    need (at least) another kolache front. Cream chese dough or yeast? Round or square? And let’s not even get into actual pronunciations. (Ko-latch-key, ko-lachks . . . )

  198. 198.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    February 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @Baud: I was hoping you’d notice that. It’s how I’d know if I wanted to be your Grammar Czarina. Unless, of course, there’s a high level spot for me at Justice. Even loosely.

  199. 199.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Apricot or poppy seed are pretty much tied for #1 with me. But lemon? Never had lemon, but it sounds awesome – Is it like the lemon in lemon merengue pie? (first pie I ever made from scratch)

    Would you like to join me and John Revolta for a little dawn picnic of our respective favorites?

    Edit: scan, you are invited, too, as long as you follow the cream cheese & round rules.

  200. 200.

    Felonius Monk

    February 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @jl:

    How can a virtual candidate be in an ad ‘with porn stars’?

    We could make it a virtual ad and raise campaign funds by selling virtual tickets to Republicans for Porn.

  201. 201.

    WaterGirl

    February 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @scav: Cream cheese and round! The others are frauds imposters!

  202. 202.

    Feathers

    February 12, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @Keith G: It is normal and expected for ad agencies to make sure that actors who appear in commercials haven’t done anything that would hurt the brand. I know this was the case back in the day when I had struggling actor friends. Doing an adult film was known to cut you off from opportunities with anything involving advertisers. It’s probably a toss-up as to whether it is better or worse now. You can’t count on anything remaining buried, but onscreen sexytimes are far more common and go higher up the food chain.

    I hear you on too much employment screening. I’m going through it now. People want interviews and to talk with your references for a temp position through an agency!

  203. 203.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 12, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @scav: “Kolach” and its various cognates and derivations come from a Proto-Slavic root meaning “circle” or “wheel”, so it’s a word that occurs in Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Czech, all the way down to Bulgarian and Macedonian, and can be (and is) used for almost any sort of round baked good. Get 2-3 B-J’ers together, and they’re probably all talking about different styles of pastry, depending on where they grew up.

  204. 204.

    Felonius Monk

    February 12, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Would you like to join me and John Revolta for a little dawn picnic of our respective favorites?

    Certainly. I was thinking of something along these lines.

  205. 205.

    scav

    February 12, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: Those are the ertainly the traditional at home mulri-gen scav family ones. Yeast showed up at reastaurants and farmers markets at Iowa, which is also where I picked up an appreciation for the cheese fillings. But cream cheese, round, raspberry are the concentrated essence baked into the r-brain. (reds were the first fought over, then the orangey, blacks went last but was always made them.)

  206. 206.

    Steve from Antioch

    February 12, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    Cruz is a horrible, dishonest, skeezy fuck wad, almost as bad Hillary Clinton with her swift boat mascot John Lewis.

    Of course I’d vote for Clinton over Cruz every time, but let’s not kid ourselves about how “effective” politicians got that way.

  207. 207.

    Germy

    February 12, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @debbie: a special place in hell:
    http://www.gocomics.com/matt-bors

  208. 208.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    February 12, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I’m too old to be a bro

    That’s what you think, and you’d be wrong. Bro is a state of mind, and all that stands between you and your inner Berniebro is to FEELTHEBERN. FEELTHEBERN, BRO FEELTHEBERN. When mrs. efgoldman pushes back, just sneer at her in contempt and hand wave her away, then she won’t want to knife you. She’ll want to strangle you with her bare hands.

  209. 209.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again):

    A Fistful of Baud

    The Good The Baud and The Ugly

  210. 210.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Gonna need a bigger cell.

  211. 211.

    ThresherK

    February 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @? Martin: Too much like the movie 300.

    Unless you meant it to be unknowingly homoerotic (which so many Juicers would accept because we don’t judge), which would be exactly like the movie 300.

  212. 212.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Baud said the job is mine, but he has to do interviews for appearances’ sake.

    Sadly, I’ve had a few of those interviews. On the other hand, it’s my one chance to feel like a black NFL coach.

  213. 213.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @jl: That’s so sweet. Hentai is how. (I won’t link)

    this thread is edging to the perverse. me likey.

  214. 214.

    scav

    February 12, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: And that brings us to the great prirohi pierogi . . . wars. We might need to schedual several meals.

    You know anything about any rational behind the houska / vánočka slippage? In my family, we ate the first at Christmas when technically we should be having the second (not that I can recognize differences in the recipes), but that term swap seems common in the new world.

  215. 215.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Well how come i applicated and didn’t get no interview?

  216. 216.

    jl

    February 12, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    @p.a.: Well, OK I guess if there are NO volunteers…

  217. 217.

    geg6

    February 12, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @debbie:

    That’s a non-apology apology if I ever heard one. She knew she had to write it but she hasn’t changed her mind. Neither have I. Liberal women who don’t support other liberal women are not my kind of women. I’m not a politician nor a surrogate for such, so I own it and am not a bit ashamed. I’m appalled that women are calling Hillary names. Makes me furious. I supported Obama back in ’08 but I never had the vitriol toward her that the Bernie supporters do. I find it sickening.

  218. 218.

    John Revolta

    February 12, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: Well, we’re Juicers, so I suppose we’d have to argue about something………………

    @scav: Round, Sir! A square Ko-lotch-kee is no kolachke at all!

  219. 219.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 12, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    @scav: Houska has no eggs or butter. Vánočka does, and is essentially like brioche, or like the Russian/Ukrainian/Polish “paska.”

  220. 220.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 12, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Baud: I have never been to Selma (Alabama or Blair).

  221. 221.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 12, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @efgoldman: Yeah, I’m aware of them, thanks

    It’s funny, though, I’ve thought about this in a food-prep context, and while there are certain dishes that are best when prepared by professional cooks in professional kitchens, pierogies/pyrohy/varenyky are never, ever as good in a restaurant as when prepared by a grandmother.There’s something about loving, experienced hands with the dough that just can’t be replicated commercially.

  222. 222.

    p.a.

    February 12, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @efgoldman: Exchange St. Cafe Pawtucket. I’m not Polish so my judgement is useless, but the owner Andy is, so I can only assume he knows what he’s doing. Stuffed cabbage also. For a nice drive Patty’s Pierogies in Fall River was recommended by Polish friends. C.F. Provisions also does the sausage for Blackbird Farm (Smithfield) free range beef & pork sausage. (The girl at the farm stand gave me a dirty look when I asked how she could be sure the meat they sent out was the same meat that came back ;-P)

  223. 223.

    boatboy_srq

    February 12, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @efgoldman: Makes you wonder, if Cambridge has so much data available to the Cruz campaigh, whether they didn’t know her history and were surprised, or they thought nobody else had any information (their guys having so much) and believed they could pull a fast one.

  224. 224.

    Tommy

    February 12, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @p.a.: I was raised, Scotish, in a family where my mother cooked every meal by hand. Think we were about the last on the block to have much less use a microwave oven. It was a very nice thing.

  225. 225.

    scav

    February 12, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Ah. Thanks. Difference might be that Lent / fast thing, which my lot probably didn’t bother with being those Hussite/calvinists. Ours definitely have the braided shape and an egg wash, would have to double check the dough, but I think it did have eggs. So physically Vánočka but called houska.

  226. 226.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 12, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @p.a.: More like Baud Hardcore.

  227. 227.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 12, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Please say you mean punk. Lie to me if you must.

  228. 228.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 12, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: There was an actor/director who went by the name Max Hardcore(he recently got out of the greybar hotel), but I was referring to punk.

  229. 229.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 12, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Thank you for your comforting lie.

  230. 230.

    BruceFromOhio

    February 12, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    conflicted. undecidted. well-fundted. punkted. shithead.

    ok, that last one is a stretch, if accurate.

  231. 231.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 12, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: ShitheadTed?

  232. 232.

    Eric

    February 13, 2016 at 2:44 am

    @Turgidson:
    Now that he’s using “Trus” in his campaign slogan, this nickname has reached a new level of funny.

  233. 233.

    Zinsky

    February 13, 2016 at 9:03 am

    Rafael Eduardo Cruz is nothing but shit wrapped in skin! What is it about these conservative politicians that they never use the their real names? Willard “Mitt” Romney, Rafael Eduardo “Ted” Cruz, etc. Are they trying to hide something or what??

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