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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Saturday Morning Open Thread: We All Want to Believe

Saturday Morning Open Thread: We All Want to Believe

by Anne Laurie|  February 13, 20165:18 am| 114 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Popular Culture

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If the truth is out there, President Obama will clue us in when we find it. https://t.co/0s6Up3vsIq pic.twitter.com/6rRUgO9Yyf

— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) February 12, 2016

"We haven't actually made direct contact with aliens yet," Obama says, which does not preclude the possibility of recovered bodies or craft.

— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) February 12, 2016

Just pretty pretty pretty interesting how carefully Obama choose his words here. https://t.co/PO4Gh0z1nO

— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) February 12, 2016

The son of Martian Manhunter, raised with an ideology of Martian anti-Earthism, would say this. Let's see his DNA! https://t.co/rXdrcLACHs

— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) February 12, 2016

Tongue *so* firmly in cheek… He was talking to a bright six-year-old, on the Ellen show. I took up dreaming about aliens around the same time I gave up on Santa Claus, too.

Apart from fantasizing about close encounters (good weekend for that), what’s on the agenda for the day?

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  1. 1.

    amk

    February 13, 2016 at 5:24 am

    byron tau, the typical msm/cable/blog idjit? really?

  2. 2.

    Oatler.

    February 13, 2016 at 5:26 am

    Writing fan fiction about a close encounter with Melinda Dillon when she was wearing cutoffs and halter top in that UFO movie.

  3. 3.

    Doug R

    February 13, 2016 at 5:47 am

    1 in 4 stars has planets, it’s just that everyone is so far away. Can’t go faster than light, not even gravity can. Here’s NASA’s site: http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/

  4. 4.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 5:49 am

    4 more days.

  5. 5.

    Waldo

    February 13, 2016 at 5:54 am

    Don’t worry. Trump’s going to build a huge space dome to keep those aliens out. And he’ll get the Martians to pay for it.

  6. 6.

    Mustang Bobby

    February 13, 2016 at 5:55 am

    @Doug R:

    Can’t go faster than light, not even gravity can.

    That’s heavy, man.

  7. 7.

    opiejeanne

    February 13, 2016 at 5:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: What happens in 4 more days?

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 6:02 am

    Now he’s just trolling them:

    Obama’s California desert monument: a benefit to some, a ‘land grab’ to others

    Barack Obama declared the largest single land monument of his presidency on Friday – the same week that federal officials aggressively targeted rightwing activists who have rebelled against what they characterize as “land grabs”.

    Obama nearly doubled the amount of public land he has protected as national monuments with a move to conserve nearly 1.8m acres (0.7m hectares) of the California desert. The executive action came one day after federal authorities arrested and charged the unofficial leader of the anti-government movement in the west and successfully ended a militia standoff in Oregon inspired by these kinds of national conservation policies.

    ….

    “The anti-government movement is going to see these designations as the actions of a tyrannical force,” said Ryan Lenz, a senior writer with the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit that has closely tracked rightwing groups and militia efforts inspired by the Bundys. “They’re going to see this as further proof that these lands are being taken from American citizens. How this manifests is the question.”

    And once again, opinion is divided.

    “The people that live and work in the desert are supportive of this,” said Ileene Anderson, senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. “They see public lands as a benefit … and they want to have these places preserved.”

    But, Anderson added, “I don’t know how it would galvanize people outside of the desert.”

  9. 9.

    jm

    February 13, 2016 at 6:07 am

    Actually, I think aliens have contacted us. I have a feeling they don’t want to get their hands dirty and want to pit us against ourselves. After all, they’ve already spent an incomprehensible amount of resources to get here and fuck with us, seeing as how we’re so damned important to…you know…everything.

  10. 10.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 6:16 am

    Agenda today? Birthing the baby billy goat! (or maybe a Martian?)

    Momma goat has only been in labor 23 hours…. Yoi!

  11. 11.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 13, 2016 at 6:34 am

    @Scapegoat: The little tyke still hasn’t popped out yet? Best wishes to momma goat.

  12. 12.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 13, 2016 at 6:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m planning on doing some hiking(Amboy crater) and astrophotography out there in the coming months. It’s very dark out there.

  13. 13.

    David Fud

    February 13, 2016 at 6:39 am

    @Scapegoat: Best of luck. They might decide to c-section baby goat out soon if it is like my experience.

    I will have an additional baby fud in a week, max. So, we are all nested in and ready for the hospital and another mouth to feed.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 6:46 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I wish I lived closer. Seems like forever since last I was in the desert.

  15. 15.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 6:46 am

    @Scapegoat: Best of luck to you and Momma goat on the new arrival. Congrats!

  16. 16.

    Zinsky

    February 13, 2016 at 6:46 am

    I think NASA needs to send a probe to look for signs of intelligent life on Earth!

  17. 17.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: til the boot comes off again?

  18. 18.

    Felonious Monk

    February 13, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @Scapegoat: @David Fud: Expanding the Balloon Juice family. Tough work, but somebody has to do it.

    Congratulations to you both.

  19. 19.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 6:48 am

    @David Fud: and best of luck to all the Fuds on the latest arrival.

  20. 20.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 13, 2016 at 6:48 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: If we don’t get rain here soon, this may be the desert as well(some is forecast for next week).

  21. 21.

    Felonious Monk

    February 13, 2016 at 6:51 am

    @Zinsky: Waste of money. It’s more likely found in outer space.

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @satby: I am stuck with that monstrosity until March 2nd.

  23. 23.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @Felonious Monk: We’re taking one for the team.

    (good luck with the tiny Fud!)

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 7:00 am

    Donald Trump and the Wig of Evil A “child’s” book by Guy Larsen.

  25. 25.

    Raven

    February 13, 2016 at 7:14 am

    Not bad at 31 degrees. The pups are sniffing around the bakery patio.,I’ll hang for a while and the go see what the boys at Normal Hardware are up to.

  26. 26.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 7:14 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: ok, I give up. What’s in 4 more days?

  27. 27.

    daryljfontaine

    February 13, 2016 at 7:17 am

    Is this the harbinger of the new Eartherism movement?

    D

  28. 28.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 7:18 am

    @Raven: I prefer to go to Abnormal Hardware. I feel so much more comfortable there.

  29. 29.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 7:18 am

    @Raven: it’s 9 here with blowing snow and yet another winter weather advisory. Supposed to get between 6-10 inches of snow from last night till this one is over. Only for about 8 hours on Thursday have we not been under winter weather advisories since last weekend. Looks like Siberia out there now.

  30. 30.

    Raven

    February 13, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: You’d like this place. No wood stove but the rest is old school.

  31. 31.

    Raven

    February 13, 2016 at 7:26 am

    @satby: I remember.

  32. 32.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 7:33 am

    I really enjoyed reading AL’s open thread below. Great informative links, high on my list of what I love about this blog. That, pet love and more. The links to Allahpundit, LGM pieces about conservatives dissecting Trump were very interesting and the High Country News essay was excellent.

    I probably have an unhealthy obsession with reading (for years now) what makes wingnuts tick. Fascinating and horrifying at the same time. The 27% or so wingnut segment of Americans latch on to a myriad of ideologies with a lot of crossovers fueled by red hot feelings of grievance. I think those who have exploited that rage for their own purposes grabbed onto too many tiger tails. Uncontrollable Trump is taking full advantage of that and it’s frightening not knowing how it’s all going to play out.

  33. 33.

    JPL

    February 13, 2016 at 7:35 am

    @Scapegoat: Hopefully, the baby is here by now. Your wife is a trooper.

  34. 34.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @Raven: I had one of those up in STL that I used all the time, Heineke Hardware. Had about a dozen people working there just to help customers find stuff (and if you needed it, they had it), some of them had been there for 35-40+ years. Just an old time neighborhood family hardware store. I heard they finally went out of business last year. Made me a little sad. There are still a few others up there but we know they too are dinosaurs in this brave new world.

  35. 35.

    WereBear

    February 13, 2016 at 7:49 am

    @Scapegoat: best to all of you!

  36. 36.

    WereBear

    February 13, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: We are being slowly acclimatized to Expect nothing. From corporations.

    Hammer breaks? Quilt falls apart in the wash? Electricity stopped coming out if the wall?

    Too bad for you.

  37. 37.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @satby: How are the girls dealing with it?

  38. 38.

    Matt McIrvin

    February 13, 2016 at 8:04 am

    This is actually a thing that takes my opinion of Hillary Clinton down a peg: she’s at least UFO-conspiracy-curious because of John Podesta, who is weirdly insistent that he’s going to blow the cover off the whole thing someday even after working in the White House. I appreciate his efforts to declassify documents, but he’s given credence to some pretty shady/delusional characters in the process.

  39. 39.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 8:06 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Sledding was mixed, both were a bit terrified of the concept but Valentina ended up liking it. Qunoot gave it two tries and considered it off her list. They haven’t woken up yet this morning, but there may be some snow frolicking for a short time, but then they’re pretty much done. They enjoy ice skating, I think if there were other teens nearby they’d have a bit more fun. But cabin fever is setting in.

  40. 40.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 8:09 am

    @WereBear: yep. Cheap poorly made goods are habituating people to the need for constant replacement and end up costing people who try to save money more in the long run as the churn on goods is so high. No other way to keep a consumer based economy alive.

  41. 41.

    PaulW

    February 13, 2016 at 8:11 am

    I may head out to Gainesville for SwampCon today.

    To any other scifi-minded Floridians, there’s going to be a Bartow SyFy street fair next week on Sat. February 20th, so I expect all of you to travel down here and dress up as Ghostbusters or something.

  42. 42.

    Matt McIrvin

    February 13, 2016 at 8:11 am

    @Doug R: There’s still a bit of a mystery here, though, because it’s at least possible in principle to build self-reproducing von Neumann machines that could make copies of themselves from local materials, and spread between stars at lower speeds to explore the universe. Some have argued that either the incidence of technological civilizations in our galaxy must be very low or they must destroy themselves rapidly, otherwise we’d have seen their von Neumann robot probes already.

    There are a lot of assumptions buried in that chain of reasoning, of course, so I don’t know how seriously to take it, but the argument is that it only takes one.

  43. 43.

    Amir Khalid

    February 13, 2016 at 8:12 am

    @David Fud:
    Congratulations. Just don’t name the kid Elmer, or he’ll hate you forever.

    @Matt McIrvin:
    I’m an X-Phile, and I happen to know that John Podesta is one too. But does he really go in for that alien conspiracy stuff?

  44. 44.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 8:13 am

    @WereBear: Show me the MONEY!

    @satby: Funny how us ‘Olds’ just aren’t as exciting as we used to be.

  45. 45.

    The Pale Scot

    February 13, 2016 at 8:14 am

    I posted this previously but the tube link is gone

    The first music video filmed aboard the Vomit Comet

    OK Go – Upside Down & Inside Out

  46. 46.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 13, 2016 at 8:24 am

    @Scapegoat: My daughter was in labor for 2 1/2 days. Started on a Saturday, delivered on Monday.

  47. 47.

    Tommy

    February 13, 2016 at 8:26 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Happy days. My local hardware store, that has been there since like 1830, well it got bought and the new owners are like we will keep it as a feed store and a place you can also shop.

  48. 48.

    Matt McIrvin

    February 13, 2016 at 8:29 am

    @Amir Khalid: He likes to make common cause with them, at least. At one point in the early 2000s he was involved with an advocacy group that seemed to have been concocted by The Sci-Fi Channel to promote some alien conspiracy show they were running.

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 8:30 am

    @Matt McIrvin: There are those who say we have found another civilization on star KIC 8462852, or ‘Tabby’, named after Tabetha Boyajian, the woman who discovered it. Of course it is just a wee bit too soon to declare that (I find it exciting because whatever it is, it’s something we’ve never seen before). Either way Tom Levenson’s MIT colleague Jeremy England has proposed a physics theory based on the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics** that posits Life is inevitable. Pretty cool stuff.

    **yeah, that pesky 2nd law of T that creationists like to spout off about as proof that there is no evolution and a Great Creator is required for life on Earth. Ironic if JE is right.

  50. 50.

    PurpleGirl

    February 13, 2016 at 8:31 am

    @PaulW: Did you ever go to a Tropicon — a yearly relaxacon held by the South Florida Science Fiction Society (SFSFS)? I went for a few years in the late 90s. They stopped holding them at some point, which was a shame because I liked them a lot. (One year I spent Saturday dressed in a Klingon forehead and told people to speak to me in English as I was on Earth for vacation and to practice my English.)

  51. 51.

    Joel

    February 13, 2016 at 8:32 am

    So here’s a bleg.

    Our furnace went out last week. We are under home warranty and they sent out a plumber to repair it (replaced inducer fan). That worked for about a week.

    The furnace went out two days ago. The plumber replaced the safety/gas valve. Furnace still wouldn’t start. Gas lines to the house had frozen (at the above ground, due to water in the supply). The gas company unfroze those pipes and so we have gas again. But the furnace is still dead.

    Plumber (from warranty) can’t come back until Tuesday. It’s 10 degrees today.

    I’m ready to spend the ~$3000 to replace the damned furnace (after $200 on deductible visits). My question is, can I get the furnace replaced ASAP? Sturggling to keep the house in the upper-40s with space heaters. Enough to keep pipes from freezing but not habitable. We have a young child so this is problematic.

  52. 52.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 8:32 am

    @Scapegoat:

    Ouch. Hope baby has arrived or any second now. I do remember the relief I felt between hard contractions and then as another began, thinking, oh no, I’m in for it again. Thankfully, one forgets the intensity of labor over time but when you’ve just recently had a baby, you really don’t want to have moms tell you their labor(s) were short with just mildly uncomfortable contractions.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    February 13, 2016 at 8:39 am

    Kind of cool.

    Apollo 11 astronauts left […] scribbles inside the spacecraft that took them on their historic mission to the moon in 1969, but now the public will get to see them for the first time.

    National Air and Space Museum officials presented a preview Thursday of a virtual 3-D model that will allow the public a look inside the car-sized Apollo 11 command module. No longer will the public have to try to peer inside through one of the capsule’s small windows or hatch.

    The new model will allow anyone to examine the craft’s controls and see writing left by its three astronauts: Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins. (Aldrin says he’s pretty sure the calendar was Collins’ handiwork.)

    Some of the markings left by the astronauts have to do with manoeuvers they had to make to reach the moon, information it was easier to have written near the craft’s instruments. Others writings are less technical: “launch day urine bags” reads an inscription on one locker. On another: “smelly waste.”
    [snip]
    …There’s nothing special written on July 20 — the day Armstrong became the first man on the moon. On the capsule’s calendar, it’s just another day that’s crossed out. Source

  54. 54.

    raven

    February 13, 2016 at 8:47 am

    @Joel: I worry that, at that temp, there will be a wait for anyone to do a job like that.

  55. 55.

    raven

    February 13, 2016 at 8:48 am

    @NotMax: I was on R&R in Sydney that day. Called home/. . . collect and my old man never forgot!

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    February 13, 2016 at 8:48 am

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

    Colder than an mutha here.

  57. 57.

    Tommy

    February 13, 2016 at 8:48 am

    @NotMax: I was born really premature. July 12th 1969. My mom likes to joke to this day I was a “space kid.” Came home from the hospital the day we landed on the moon. Always thought space was like the coolest thing in the world. Space ……..

  58. 58.

    Joel

    February 13, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @raven: I should have just replaced the damn thing in the first place and bypassed the warranty.

  59. 59.

    raven

    February 13, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @Joel: You can’t look up a dead horses ass.

  60. 60.

    MomSense

    February 13, 2016 at 8:54 am

    @Scapegoat:

    C’mon mama goat! Hope it goes well.
    @David Fud:
    The calm before the storm. Sending healthy, happy wishes to all the Fuds.

  61. 61.

    debbie

    February 13, 2016 at 8:55 am

    @satby:

    Not quite as much snow as you, but we’ve got all the rest here. A couple days ago, the local weatherman (who’s annoyingly fond of snow and cold) said this would be winter’s last hurrah. I intend to hold him accountable.

  62. 62.

    tybee

    February 13, 2016 at 8:57 am

    @raven:

    well, technically…

  63. 63.

    PurpleGirl

    February 13, 2016 at 8:57 am

    Weather in Woodside, NYC: 23 degrees, wind is 23 mph with gusts to 37; wind chill makes it feel like -5 degrees. We have a wind chill advisory on.

    In the space theme: Foster Dad John’s current momcat and kittens are the Roswell Kittens. Momcat is Ros and the kittehs are Ziggy (for Ziggy Stardust), Spock and Orion.

    http://livestream.com/FosterKittenCam/Roswell

  64. 64.

    geg6

    February 13, 2016 at 8:57 am

    Damn but it’s cold out there today. Even Koda was out just long enough to do her business and trotted right back inside. Speaking of Koda, she has become so jealous of all of Lovey’s sweaters that we got an old tshirt of John’s and put it on her. She’s happy as a clam now and thinks she is a fashionista. Even though she really just looks like some kind of weird homeless person. It’s hilarious.

  65. 65.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 13, 2016 at 8:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: FYI, there is a section of Athens called Normaltown. Ironically named, of course.

  66. 66.

    geg6

    February 13, 2016 at 8:59 am

    Oh and congrats to all the procreating Juicers!

    Better you than me! ;-)

  67. 67.

    Tenar Darell

    February 13, 2016 at 9:00 am

    Hello Juicers! Been a while since I managed to make it to an open thread. (Too much Twitter, maybe). Missed you all. Best wishes to the new family members, & mother goats.

    On a more fun note the Bugs Bunny Festival at the Brattle Theater this week. Last night I took some young relatives to see Bugs for the first time. It was a hit with kids of all ages.

  68. 68.

    danielx

    February 13, 2016 at 9:02 am

    It’s seven above zero and snow coming tomorrow….there’s a blues song in there somewhere, if I was motivated enough.

    @WereBear:

    Quite true. It used to amaze me that every time you buy something – electronic device, appliance, whatever – you are offered the option of purchasing an extended warranty, like the manufacturer warranty isn’t enough. Which, typically, isn’t good enough. Used to be, but not now. About the only category for which this isn’t true is tools, if you buy good quality stuff. (Sears Craftsman isn’t all that great any more, btw.)

    @bemused:

    There’s a school of thought that says that one common thread among wingnuts is that they are authoritarians, per Bob Altemeyer’s studies and book, The Authoritarians. I don’t agree with it 100%, but there are a lot of traits that I’ve noted that wingnuts seem to hold in common. It’s well worth a look.

    Speaking of well worth a look, just finished reading Winter’s Bone. Better than the movie.

  69. 69.

    Tommy

    February 13, 2016 at 9:02 am

    @geg6: Winter is here. And it is supposed to be cold this time of the year last I checked. Not in the 60s at times, which it is far too often. Instead the teens with winds that will cut your skin. Oh and snow.

  70. 70.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 9:04 am

    @JPL:

    Nope. Billy goat watch continues (and Momma goat naps, thank FSM).

    Tic, tic, tic…

  71. 71.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 9:04 am

    Minus 20 deg here now. It’s been mostly below zero for over a week, ready for the warmup should start tomorrow.

    Local tv station had a story of kids at a Duluth elementary school learning about the Iditarod sleddog race by having their own. They called it the Ikidaron and teams of kids pulling a kid on a sled raced around the school that took about 20 minutes per team. Happily, it was over zero that day, sunny. Still cold but the kids were dressed for it and having a blast. I loved the kids doing dog howls for the camera.

  72. 72.

    WereBear

    February 13, 2016 at 9:05 am

    -10 and dropping. Should reach -50 with the windchill later.

    Did our groceries and pulling the door up behind us this weekend.

    @Joel: Cheaper to rent a hotel room for a few days. Even with restaurant meals.

  73. 73.

    MomSense

    February 13, 2016 at 9:05 am

    @geg6:

    Photos of Koda please!

    I opened the door and my pup turned right around and went to the shower. She’s lounging in front of the fire now.

  74. 74.

    Steeplejack

    February 13, 2016 at 9:05 am

    Got a medium dusting of snow here in NoVa. Didn’t see that coming. It was just supposed to be cold, which it is—20° now, not going up today and then down to 8° tonight. Very windy—and gusty—so I’m already looking forward to driving across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge (very high and very long) on the way to Rehoboth Beach in a few hours. Weather’s about the same down there.

  75. 75.

    Joel

    February 13, 2016 at 9:08 am

    @WereBear: Need to keep the house warm enough to prevent the pipes from freezing. I guess the space heaters have to run home or away, and we’re definitely noti hanging out here all day.

  76. 76.

    Tommy

    February 13, 2016 at 9:12 am

    @bemused: -20 is a bugger. I am trying to do 20,000 steps a day. It takes some effort. About 8.7 miles a day. Somewhat warm not an issue. Now when it is a high of like 10 much harder. I am a hiker/camper. I like to joke I got amazing stuff to wear. Not fund to put on to walk about.

  77. 77.

    geg6

    February 13, 2016 at 9:15 am

    @Tommy:

    Dude, it’s 9 degrees with wind chill at -9. This is with clear skies and bright sunshine. In a week of cold winter weather, this is the worst day so far. Thankfully, we’re supposed to get back to the normal 20-30 degrees for this time year by Monday. I’m not expecting 65 degree temps, but this is ridiculous.

  78. 78.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 9:18 am

    @raven: Now he tells me.

    @Joel: Wish I had some great words of construction wisdom to offer. I don’t Sorry you’re going thru it.

  79. 79.

    geg6

    February 13, 2016 at 9:22 am

    Well, gotta clean up to go get groceries. Need something for dinner tomorrow and pick up my contribution to our Valentine celebration tonight. We normally go to a very nice local fine dining place, the Wooden Angel, on Valentine’s Day with my sister and BIL and a few other couples. But none of us felt like going out, so we’re doing a surf and turf dinner at my sister’s place. More casual and certainly cozier. I’m providing the side veggies. Going with Parmesan roasted cauliflower and a roasted zucchini, red pepper and tomato dish.

  80. 80.

    Tommy

    February 13, 2016 at 9:23 am

    @efgoldman:

    Both women were trying to hide from each other, didn’t want to be seen there. Hey, kids, it’s Bugs Bunny, not porno.

    Yeah. I recall coming out of my tumbling class. Told my grandmother that was there I wanted to see this movie. Star Wars. We watched it once and then went in again to watch it second time.

  81. 81.

    lurker dean

    February 13, 2016 at 9:27 am

    nasa put up some cool posters for folks to download and print. perhaps they were trying to direct attention away from PBO’s almost admission about recovered aliens LOL.

    http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=5052

  82. 82.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 9:28 am

    @danielx:

    I’ve got that book which I learned about from John Dean’s Conservatives without Conscience plus The Reactionary Mind by Corey Robin, The Republican Brain by Chris Mooney,The Eliminationists by David Neiwert among others and have read countless articles.

    I’ll never wrap my mind around how these folks think or I should say don’t think but it has helped me recognize more easily the people I come in contact with who are these types of folks and know how unlikely it is that they or only a few will ever reach a tipping point where they start to question their beliefs.

  83. 83.

    Amir Khalid

    February 13, 2016 at 9:29 am

    I see Alain’s been busy again.

    ETA: And he seems to have thought better of the latest changes.

  84. 84.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 9:29 am

    @Gin & Tonic: @Scapegoat: First ones can take a while. I was in labor 40 hours with my oldest son (Sunday to Tuesday) but it was pretty low level the first 26 hours. The second kid took only 18 hours. Hang in there, it’s guaranteed to be over at some point soonish.

  85. 85.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 9:34 am

    @The Pale Scot: I enjoyed that last night, thanks!

  86. 86.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 9:34 am

    @Steve in the ATL: There’s a Normal, IL. I’ve been there. Apt enough name. There is also a Peculiar, MO. Legend has it that when the local folks were given a Post Office, they hadn’t yet named the town. When asked what they wanted to name their town, their local post master said, “Oh I don’t know, why don’t you just give us something peculiar.” and that is just what they got.

    Down in Arkansas they have a lot of strange town names, like Oil Trough. (they were a center for rendering bear fat) One was Big Flat (which wasn’t really, considering it’s location in the mountains) that a buddy of mine swore he was gonna open up a tire store in it. He was gonna call it….
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    wait for it…
    .
    .
    ..
    .
    .
    .
    Big.
    .
    Flat.
    .
    Tire.

  87. 87.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 9:35 am

    @Tommy:

    This frigid air has been stuck over us with a little wind which has felt really bitey. It’s been a mild winter till now with above average temps, 20’s to 40’s but it hasn’t felt that warm because the air has been very damp for the most part. Damp and 20 can feel colder than dry air at zero.

  88. 88.

    satby

    February 13, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @Joel: If there’s a way to check for water in the humidity drainage line in the furnace, try that first. Last time my furnace was broken it was that, drained the water and it started right up. It’s a safety thing that keeps the furnace off so no gas leaks.

    I went through what you’re going through now last winter. If the furnace is way old, replace it, but you’ll spend way less at a motel until Tuesday.

  89. 89.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 9:44 am

    @<@WereBear:

    We are being slowly acclimatized to Expect nothing. From corporations.

    Generally agreed. However, “service” may become the ultimate frontier for highly competitive markets if the baby delivery business is any indication. The care we’ve received has been breathtakingly refreshing.

    Where nothing else matters other than price, one can expect little; however, when other criteria are valued (beyond rock-bottom prices) and/or markets are very competitive (such as hospitals), service is the cheapest advertising one can buy in a “word of mouth” system.

  90. 90.

    Amir Khalid

    February 13, 2016 at 9:45 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I have always held the pun to be a higher art form than the mere joke. I salute your friend.

  91. 91.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 13, 2016 at 9:53 am

    @danielx: I saw the movie Winters Bone and was depressed for days.

  92. 92.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 13, 2016 at 9:57 am

    @Tommy:Winter is here? No sher, Shitlock. Low of 9F tonite in Balmer Merlin, hon.

    Ancient Music (Ezra Pound)

    Winter is icummen in,
    Lhude sing Goddamm.
    Raineth drop and staineth slop,
    And how the wind doth ramm!
    Sing: Goddamm.

    Skiddeth bus and sloppeth us,
    An ague hath my ham.
    Freezeth river, turneth liver,
    Damn you, sing: Goddamm.

    Goddamm, Goddamm, ’tis why I am, Goddamm,
    So ‘gainst the winter’s balm.

    Sing goddamm, damm, sing Goddamm.
    Sing goddamm, sing goddamm, DAMM.

  93. 93.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 10:08 am

    @Amir Khalid: He’s a funny guy, very intelligent with a very dry sense of humor. Caving with him was never boring.

  94. 94.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 10:16 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Daniel Woodrell’s books are (nearly) always very good. I’ve read a # of them and when it comes to life in the Ozarks at least, very true to life.

  95. 95.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 10:27 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Holy Zoiks!!!

  96. 96.

    kindness

    February 13, 2016 at 10:27 am

    Well of course there are others out there on other planets. The speed of light is a limiting factor but distance isn’t the problem. Being able to bend space is our problem. Stars do it. Black holes do it. Other beings out there have learned how as well. Of course we’ve been visited. I’ve seen odd things in the night’s sky that weren’t satellites. And It’s completely reasonable to think an ‘advanced’ race would have talked to our ‘primative’ ancestors but refuse to communicate with us. We’re on the cusp of either showing ourselves to being worth of talking to or not. In time, we’ll meet them.

    To think that we are the only ones in a vast universe is ridiculous. Genesis is bullshit.

  97. 97.

    Amir Khalid

    February 13, 2016 at 10:32 am

    @kindness:

    Genesis is bullshit.

    People always say that about the post-Peter Gabriel years. But it’s not true.

    As for your argument re extraterrestrial life: hard to tell if spoof or not.

  98. 98.

    MomSense

    February 13, 2016 at 10:36 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    How did you get through it? I had to stop watching.

  99. 99.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 10:37 am

    @bemused:

    you really don’t want to have moms tell you their labor(s) were short with just mildly uncomfortable contractions.

    Reminds me of the look on other newborns’ parents’ faces in our Child Ed class, the day they brought in their babies to talk to us about their experiences so far. One couple said with (only some) reservation, “Our baby is perfect — she sleeps through the entire night and we have to wake her when we get up to feed her.”

    The other parents glared at them as if they wanted to rip their limbs off.

  100. 100.

    OzarkHillbilly

    February 13, 2016 at 10:43 am

    @kindness:

    I’ve seen odd things in the night’s sky that weren’t satellites.

    So have I. We call them ‘stars’ and ‘planets’. On the more serious side is the question of why any space faring civilization would even think of coming here. This just isn’t that interesting a destination.

  101. 101.

    Ken

    February 13, 2016 at 10:47 am

    @NotMax:

    Apollo 11 astronauts left […] scribbles inside the spacecraft

    “They got Mike and Buzz – coming for me now – God help Earth if they make it back”

  102. 102.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 13, 2016 at 10:50 am

    @Amir Khalid: I concur with with kindness. The post-Gabriel years produced unremarkable, hookless music. I would take “Sussudio” over that stuff.

    Regarding aliens, it’s very Dark Ages (or Southern Baptist) to think that we are the only sentient life in the infinite universe. Are they here? I dunno. I’ve never seen any but it’s sure possible. Will defer to non-history majors on the science of bending space.

  103. 103.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    February 13, 2016 at 10:56 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yes – the same human ego underlying the story of Genesis is at the root of the assumption that space-faring aliens would specifically visit Earth (something, something, Peter Gabriel’s solo work… heh)

  104. 104.

    Hildebrand

    February 13, 2016 at 10:58 am

    @Amir Khalid: Although anything after Wind and Wuthering definitely took a turn towards pop/schlock.

    As far as creation myths – I prefer either the Norse or the Babylonian. No chance of anyone actually trying to take them literally.

  105. 105.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    February 13, 2016 at 11:04 am

    @Steve in the ATL: Oy. Gabriel era Genesis was an incomprehensible mess. All three of their best albums came after he left: Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering, and Duke. One can make a better claim that the departure if Steve Hackett was a big loss, but I like a lot of the later stuff, too.

    Hackett has had a very eclectic solo career since leaving. I think both he and the band were better for the split. Same with Gabriel. Great solo work.

    Oh, yeah, and it’s -5 here in Duluth, though in this town it matters a lot exactly where you measure the temp. I remember a day a few years ago when I was up here where the listed temp was in the 70s, but it was in the 40s down by the DECC.

  106. 106.

    Bill Arnold

    February 13, 2016 at 11:13 am

    @Matt McIrvin:
    Re von Neumann probes, FWIW, every few years somebody dares to write a new paper on the Fermi Paradox that courteously references the previous papers on the subject. A recent one (well, 2011) is The Fermi Paradox, Self-Replicating Probes, and the Interstellar Transportation Bandwidth (Keith Wiley, 2011)
    Worth looking at (as are some of the references especially David Brin’s musings).

  107. 107.

    scuffletuffle

    February 13, 2016 at 11:14 am

    @Joel: Suggest that you check for tax rebates for replacing the furnace with a more efficient one. It will help ease some of the financial pain. Also, have you checked with your homeowners insurance to see if there is any financial help there?

  108. 108.

    Scapegoat

    February 13, 2016 at 11:18 am

    @Joel:

    Horrific. We just went through the same (with wife 9.25 months pregnant). $1k later, and deleting the new Nest thermostat, we’re back in action.

    In case you have gas fired radiator heat, we had to replace the pressure switch (which is a diaphragm that balances suction from the exhaust fan and gas) — which is supposed to be rare.

    We were able to get the furnace to fire up by sucking on the hoses coming out of the diaphragm switch when furnace is off. Needed to do this each time heating call was needed, but better than nothing. Also, to get our exhaust fan to start, we wired it directly to power (bypassing the circuit panel) so it was always on. Maybe this might help?

  109. 109.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 11:24 am

    @Scapegoat:

    THIS!!! Our first born had colic which is utter misery for the baby and the parents that can’t be described to moms and dads who haven’t experienced it. Even when the colic started to ease up, he wasn’t a baby content to just lie there like a lump. When he finally had the ability to get a hand on a toy next to him as he was laying on blanket, life started to get better. He was an active baby and boy and was so much happier when he could make his body do things. Never much for naps though, went down to one nap a day very early and by the time he was two and we were expecting our second, he had quit naps completely. He was too busy for naps. When I look back on those exhausting times, I can’t believe I was brave or crazy enough to have two more after him. Thankfully, the other two didn’t have colic.

  110. 110.

    bemused

    February 13, 2016 at 11:30 am

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:

    Oh yeah, the famous or infamous Lake effect! It’s also interesting how different the temp can be driving out of Duluth toward Superior. It can be beastly hot by the water front in that area but colder at the water front more northeast. I was coming back from Bayfield one July day and it was 100 deg in Poplar but by the time got over the freeway into Duluth it was at least 20 deg cooler.

  111. 111.

    Felonius Monk

    February 13, 2016 at 11:39 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    This just isn’t that interesting a destination.

    Maybe they would like to attend a Donald Trump rally.

    ETA: Especially since he’s such a universal dick.

  112. 112.

    tybee

    February 13, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    the one item that sorta disproves visits by aliens is that no government is spending brazillions on a space program.
    if there was proof that there were things out there that could take away earthlings’ power and/or turn earthlings into an afternoon snack, there would be no end to the monies spent on space…

  113. 113.

    The Raven

    February 13, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    Brief technical note: the “view previous posts” buttons aren’t working for me.

  114. 114.

    Shortribs

    February 13, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    @tybee:

    the one item that sorta disproves visits by aliens is that no government is spending brazillions on a space program.

    Any government that you know of.

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