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Dueling Town Halls Open Thread

by Betty Cracker|  February 17, 20168:02 pm| 181 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Assholes

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imageFor those of us who follow politics like a telenovela, tonight presents a dilemma. Terracota figurine Donald Trump is on MSNBC. Cruz, Rubio and Carson are on CNN. What to do? What to do?

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  1. 1.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 17, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    Read a book.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    So Fox is the reasonable news network?

    Shoot me now.

  3. 3.

    Skippy-san

    February 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    Morning Squint and the Meat Puppet are hosting Trump-so watch CNN.

  4. 4.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 17, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    Drink.

  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    February 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Baud: Keep your eye on the prize, Baud. We need you.

  6. 6.

    gogol's wife

    February 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Watch War and Peace. Denisov’s mazurka! I want to have that on an endless loop in my brain.

  7. 7.

    gogol's wife

    February 17, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    I hate to say it, but Trump is handsomer than that.

  8. 8.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    I guess it’s back to Nixonland. In other news, got the camera that I’ll be converting to “full spectrum”. It seems to work OK and my current lens work with it.

  9. 9.

    opiejeanne

    February 17, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Going to a gardening lecture.

    I wonder if I should record both Town Halls for my husband.
    I wonder if he even knows about them.

  10. 10.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @WaterGirl: Wait, you mean Baud! has to watch this. I think that falls under cruel and unusual punishment.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Keep your eye on the prize, Baud.

    Um… both my eyes still work.

    We need you.

    And I, you. Together, we shall all overcome.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @gogol’s wife: I thought that was Richard Dawson.

  13. 13.

    Poopyman

    February 17, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    Why is Captain Kangaroo frowning?

    (Yeah, everyone’s a critic, but some of us are assholes too!)

  14. 14.

    Roger Moore

    February 17, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    What to do? What to do?

    Have you tried therapy? I’ve heard they can do things for people with addictions that were previously believed to be incurable.

  15. 15.

    condorcet runner up

    February 17, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Looks like it’s the perfect time to reorganize my sock drawer.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @condorcet runner up: But a bad time to stop sniffing glue.

  17. 17.

    amk

    February 17, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    donald dreck by hisself? guess he will be punching the mod in the face.

  18. 18.

    dr. bloor

    February 17, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Junior Bloor is watching this as we have a discussion about electoral math. He’s decided to add some Canadian colleges to his shopping list.

  19. 19.

    Linda Featheringill

    February 17, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Gonna continue writing my review of Physica, written by Hildegard von Bingen somewhere in what is now Germany. She wrote it in the 12th Century. She was also a mystic and had visions and wrote theological works. Quite an active intellectual life for a woman in that place during that time. Lay people often refer to her as Saint Hildegard but the Church calls her the Reverend Doctor [of theology] Hildegard.

    My daughter turned me on to the Middle Ages and I am meeting some interesting women. I fear I would not like any of the men from that era and so I don’t bother with them.

    Next in line is Trotula of Salerno, Italy, during the 11th Century. Also a medical doctor. She reportedly wrote what was the first textbook on gynecology in Europe. Her book is on order but isn’t here yet.

    BTW: Trump Who? :-)

  20. 20.

    PurpleGirl

    February 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    What to do? What to do?

    Watch Castle reruns on TNT, watch kitten cams, check what’s on Animal Planet…

  21. 21.

    Poopyman

    February 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @amk: Well, now that would be compelling TV!

  22. 22.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 17, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @dr. bloor: McGill is a great school. And MTL is an, ahem, fun city.

  23. 23.

    raven

    February 17, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    I love Joe whining about 9/11.

  24. 24.

    dr. bloor

    February 17, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: If I’m dropping 60 large per year on alcohol and French speaking women over the next four years, it’s going to be on me dammit, not my kid.

  25. 25.

    PurpleGirl

    February 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @Linda Featheringill: I have a CD of Hildegard von Bingen’s music. Beautiful chants, just beautiful.

  26. 26.

    Roger Moore

    February 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    In other news, got the camera that I’ll be converting to “full spectrum”.

    I assume this means you’ll be replacing the hot mirror with clear glass. Are you doing the conversion yourself or having it done for you by a third party? Do you have any UV capable lenses to try UV photography with, or are you mostly interested in IR?

  27. 27.

    geg6

    February 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @raven:

    You are heroic for faithfully watching and reporting back to us about Morning Shmoe. I could never do it.

  28. 28.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @PurpleGirl: We watched this week’s Castle which we recorded. Someone paid $15K to have Castle read his book at their party. I want you all to know I am available to read at your party if you have $15K.

  29. 29.

    scav

    February 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @opiejeanne: What topic at the gardening lecture? Seasonal? I’ll cop to geekily dreaming of learning more about techniques of pruning large shrubs of different types. I’ve haunted the web and library, but there’s still time before I can actually get out there and attack the poor neglected targets.

    good time for aspirational lectures too.

    eta. Personally beating my head on the hard sciences, fallout from the fun with gravity waves and OKGO video. And hey! Superearth got its atmosphere scanned! And, on the round theme, there were those cyanobacteria (pretty sure) basically using their entire bodies as eyes / lenses to direct themslelves toward light sources.

  30. 30.

    Betty Cracker

    February 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    I started out watching Trump on MSNBC, but Joe and Mika decided to sponsor a Trump infomercial. Seriously, it’s ridiculous. They asked him what he would replace Obamacare with, and he started babbling about how we’re gonna have tremendous plans and it’ll be so great and we’ll make deals with hospitals so people don’t die on the street, etc., and when he finally shut up, they just moved on to the next question. That’s it, no follow-up, no expression of incredulity at this magic bacon-shitting unicorn fantasy, just move on to the next topic. CLICK.

  31. 31.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @raven: Do you think Trump will pick Joe for his VP?

  32. 32.

    debbie

    February 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Are you listening to any of her music while you’re writing? I know Anonymous 4 have done a couple CDs of her work.

  33. 33.

    Summer

    February 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    There is only one rivalry to watch tonight. Go ‘Heels!

  34. 34.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 17, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @dr. bloor: Point taken. But it’s still a lot less than the Ametican equivalent.

  35. 35.

    raven

    February 17, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: The Plumber?

  36. 36.

    Linda Featheringill

    February 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @PurpleGirl:

    Yes. I forgot to mention her musical compositions, which are still being performed.

  37. 37.

    max

    February 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    What to do? What to do?

    As ever, avoid the TV like the plague. Save the Photons!

    max
    [‘Shields up.’]

  38. 38.

    dr. bloor

    February 17, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @Betty Cracker: You didn’t stay for the Ginsu knives and eight CD set of 70’s AM hits with David Cassidy’s cameo?

  39. 39.

    Linda Featheringill

    February 17, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @debbie:

    Oh, that’s a thought. I’ll bet Youtube has some.

    ETA: They do!

  40. 40.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 17, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    @raven: Good one!

  41. 41.

    JPL

    February 17, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    I streamed CNN and Carson is talking about the olden days when the government didn’t take care of the poor but we all did. It was cuz of the Bible or something. I shut it down and decided to watch the Mysteries of Laura.

  42. 42.

    Betty Cracker

    February 17, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    So now I’m watching Carson hold forth on CNN. He’s better off when he’s on a crowded stage failing to get a word in edgewise. CLICK.

  43. 43.

    Nate Dawg

    February 17, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    I think Joe Scarborough is exactly the type of Centrist that Trump would chose as his V.P., to unite this country.

    After 7 years of Obama, this country is far too polarized, and we need to some common sense centrists like Joe and Meekly, to help steer our national conversation.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @Betty Cracker: He the only candidate in both parties who isn’t shouty. I’ll give him that.

  45. 45.

    Really?

    February 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    The sick thing is that there’s a perfectly good hockey game on the other channel and yet…

  46. 46.

    JPL

    February 17, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Betty Cracker: haha.. That’s why I switched to the Mysteries Of Laura, which is not a great show. Now I switched to the Goldbergs.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @JPL: I caught that show a couple of times. I can’t believe it is still on the air.

  48. 48.

    JPL

    February 17, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @Baud: Yup.. It’s better than streaming CNN or MSNBC. I switched though to ABC on the tube.

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    February 17, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    Doing UV stuff? Have seen interesting work from digicams that had the UVfilterectomy and frankly, most bodies > 5YO are gathering dust anyway so why not give them a second life?

  50. 50.

    Mike J

    February 17, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    So now I’m watching Carson hold forth on CNN.

    Carson doesn’t come on here until 8PM. Buddy Hackett and Ally Sheedy from 1986.

  51. 51.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 17, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @efgoldman: Hope you and the missus are doing all right.

  52. 52.

    Betty Cracker

    February 17, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Back to MSNBC — maybe Scarborough really is auditioning for VP on the Trump ticket. The level of deference is absurd.

  53. 53.

    jl

    February 17, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    @Baud: You lost the hookers union in NV. I heard about Hookers For Hillary on the news this morning. What happened?

  54. 54.

    jl

    February 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Thanks for the notice. I am watching neither. Not sure how many more GOP town halls and debates I can watch and keep my sanity.

  55. 55.

    Nate Dawg

    February 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    OMFG:

    http://www.jebbush.com

    I’d say he’s been TRUMPED.

  56. 56.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @efgoldman: Not bad. A little hard to dance to.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @jl: It was either the hookers or the pimps. I went with the job creators.

  58. 58.

    jl

    February 17, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Baud: OK, great. The Baud! 2016! campaign has a sexist scandal-gaffe on its hands.

    You need to run in the GOP primary. That has been the problem all along.

  59. 59.

    JPL

    February 17, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @Baud: So you are saying that pimps don’t create jobs… hmmm

  60. 60.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @jl: At this point, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

  61. 61.

    Linda Featheringill

    February 17, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Apparently, writing music wasn’t enough for her. Reportedly, she was known as a healer locally.

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    February 17, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    LOL, there’s some geezer behind Trump in the audience who keeps yawning.

  63. 63.

    MomSense

    February 17, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Roasted a whole cauliflower tonight and found a recipe for a garlic tahini dressing to go with it. Yum. Glass of wine, music and a new project on the needles.
    Oh and my kids are convinced the dog is part red wolf.

  64. 64.

    danielx

    February 17, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    TPM sez Peak Fournier has arrived:

    Ron Fournier says GOP decision not to hold hearings on Obama nominee is sign of systemic dysfunction. Fault of both parties equally.

    LOL.

    I’m afraid that Peak Fournier, like the Wingularity or the Wingnut Event Horizon, is one of those concepts whose time has not yet arrived, alas.

  65. 65.

    Turgidson

    February 17, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    What to do? Watch something good instead?

    I’m leaning towards watching the Better Call Saul season premiere I DVRed.

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    Our wonderful no-more-fucks-to-give POTUS has decided on his next head-explody thing. He’s going to Cuba next month (reportedly). I’m loving it.

    EDIT: Yep, seems to be legit. Being reported by multiple news sources.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel: Haha. I hope they photograph him smoking a Cuban cigar.

  68. 68.

    Turgidson

    February 17, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @danielx:

    Peak (Ron “Severe Dementia”) Fournier can’t happen until it is no longer profitable or advantageous for him to be a fake centrist concern troll on behalf of the GOP. With the GOP melting down into a puddle of rank horse shit, that day may yet come. But it’s not here yet. There is literally no event that can happen right now where Ron “Severe Dementia” Fournier would just say “it’s all the GOP’s fault.” Literally nothing.

  69. 69.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @Roger Moore: I’ll probably have someone else do it, while the workflow isn’t too complicated on the camera; I really don’t have a good environment to do it in. I’m interested in IR(I’ve got a point-n-shoot full spectrum camera).

  70. 70.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @Baud:

    That would be SO AWESOME.

  71. 71.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 17, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I was trying to think who Trump would pick as a VP. Who could he? Would a career politician chance losing on the Trump ticket? Scarborough was the only person I could think of, ridiculous as that is. But then this is Trump. It’s all ridiculous.

  72. 72.

    scav

    February 17, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Here’s 43 min of In Our Time on Hildegard for people in need of something concrete to listen to as a diversion.

  73. 73.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    I for one will be eating crab cakes and making a board game. I’m calling it Unicorn Frenzy. It’s like Settlers meets Civ 3 meets Power Grid meets Seven Wonders.

  74. 74.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I think if Trump wins, he freezes Joe in carbonite and keeps Mika as a scantily clad sex slave.

  75. 75.

    BlueNC

    February 17, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @Summer: Wrong blue.

  76. 76.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @Baud: Williams shot first.

  77. 77.

    Turgidson

    February 17, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @Baud:

    Excellent. Bib Fortuna for VP!!

  78. 78.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    I just overheard “structured data,” “masturbating,” “css and JavaScript,” “I don’t know how to stop it,” “gentrification,” and “Swatch” in the same sentence.

    Fuck this city

  79. 79.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    February 17, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Sarah Palin

  80. 80.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The Met announced their 2016-17 season today, and for the first time in 113 years* they are mounting an opera by a female composer — L’Amour de Loin (loosely, Love from Afar), a 2000 opera by the Finnish composer Kaija Saariaho. The conductor is also a woman — not unknown at the Met, but still something of a rarety — Susanna Mälkki.

    *(The one in 1903 was Der Wald by Dame Ethel Smyth.)

  81. 81.

    Baud

    February 17, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel:

    L’Amour de Loin (loosely, Love from Afar)

    I’m pretty sure that translates to “The Love of My Loins.”

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    As one who spent many years promoting “Study in Canada” as part of my job, that news does my heart good. Where is he thinking of applying?

  83. 83.

    MomSense

    February 17, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Some of my son’s friends invented a game called PBL Robots. It’s a card and dice game. You should definitely invent one. I could provide you with some game testers.

  84. 84.

    Bex

    February 17, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @Linda Featheringill: Have you heard her music? It’s her poetry sung/chanted.. Lots of recordings are available. It’s great to use for meditation.

  85. 85.

    divF

    February 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Come to the East Bay, my son. The cafes over here attract a better class of flaneur.

  86. 86.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @MomSense: it would be my third :) I’m gonna hack it together with some dice and a 3-d printer, bottle caps would probably work just as well. I’ll keep you posted!

  87. 87.

    The Republic, Blah Blah Blah...

    February 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    Now there’s a sure fire money maker…

    A Chia plant figurine of The Donald, complete w/ that amazing hair…

  88. 88.

    scav

    February 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @Baud: depends on how many of them you have. Could also involve a carnivore’s aria.

  89. 89.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    @divF: trying to move to Seattle actually. Fits my dour personality. Ugh just overheard “standardization”. Which I’m all in favor of but OMG DO SPORTS BARS NOT EXIST HERE ANY MORE

    trying to watch duke lose here

  90. 90.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Worst art school band album song list ever.

  91. 91.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @Baud:

    Ooh ooh ooh, I just got a headline from CNN and it said that Rubio SLAMMED President Obama’s plan to visit Cuba.

    Dammit, now I guess I’m going to have to watch that town hall. I told you heads would asplode.

  92. 92.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Baud: I’m hovering between “face palm” and “slap”.

    Which means I need a chiropractor now.

  93. 93.

    Linda Featheringill

    February 17, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Baud:

    love from afar:

    At first, I thought you were correct but google translate says that love from afar is amour de loin in french. Who knew?

  94. 94.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: are you confusing worst with best? Because I’d give that a probationary listen.

  95. 95.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    Ah is confuddled.

    Why the drawing of Melvin Belli?

  96. 96.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    “So I’m dating…” “In escrow…” “250!” “How much did she have to drink?”

    Fuck. This. City. I’m not even in a traditionally douchey part of town

  97. 97.

    divF

    February 17, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    My sympathies. I live five blocks from campus and the overheard conversations are not this bad.

    San Francisco is turning into a giant theme park for the tech kids.

  98. 98.

    Summer

    February 17, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    @BlueNC: So you don’t support our tradition of public education? I suppose you’ll come out for charter schools next. And Donald Trump.

  99. 99.

    Glidwrith

    February 17, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Watching the dragonets practice kumite. Life is too damn short and precious to waste watching idiots and poultroons.

  100. 100.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Well I would be a little intrigued by “I don’t know how to stop it”, which I assume is a Jesus Christ Superstar cover/update.

    Mary M and Jesus have been married 20 years, all he does is watch TV and drink beer….

  101. 101.

    raven

    February 17, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I remember eating lunch in the city with my buddy from the Nam who grew up there. He told me to watch the little tree outside the window of the laundry across the street. He said a dude would drop money in the tree, and hand would come out the window, grab it and replace it with a bag of smack. He was right. “A place where little cable cars. . . “

  102. 102.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 17, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @divF: I’m only 30 and I’m already sick of these kids. I’m an actually trained data scientist with a masters and stuff and these people are so full of shit. I’m 30 and I already have an onion belt. It’s ridiculous. And all of their code sucks. Blergh. Get off my lawn, slightly younger members of my generation

  103. 103.

    Mary G

    February 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Why didn’t CNN invite Jeb too? Are his poll numbers too low?

  104. 104.

    MomSense

    February 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I am intrigued. Can’t wait to see what you come up with.

  105. 105.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Dean Heller is babbling about Obama listening to the people of Nevada when nominating Scalia’s replacement, not trying to advance the liberal agenda.
    Google says that in 2012, Obama got 531,373 votes in Nevada. in the same election, Dean Heller got 457, 656.

  106. 106.

    divF

    February 17, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    And all of their code sucks.

    Like fingernails on a blackboard. Yet, here they are.

  107. 107.

    rikyrah

    February 17, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    The President is going to Cuba!!!!

  108. 108.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @Baud

    The Loin King.

  109. 109.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    @efgoldman:
    @Baud:

    Plausible, but nope.

    It’s from a French play/libretto. Of the entire Live in HD schedule next season, I am by far most excited about this opera. And on a totally irrational (but, I hope, understandable) note of feminism, I am looking forward to this woman-composed, woman-conducted opera being aired within a few weeks of the election of this country’s first woman president.

    .

  110. 110.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @rikyrah:

    And Marco Rubio thinks it’s a terrible idea!!!

  111. 111.

    jl

    February 17, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @efgoldman:@NotMax: Baud is, sad to say, inaccurate. We must rein in the cussed Baud. Har har har.

    Edit: but then, misleading and debauching our precious youth is a signature issue of the Baud! 2016! campaign. So, I am inaccurate. Sorry. Carry on, Baud!

  112. 112.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @NotMax:

    You, sir, are inhaling too much smoke.

  113. 113.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    raven, hoping you’re still around.

    Interesting 10 minutes short on a different kind of fishing on TCM Friday at 6:04 p.m.

    “This short film looks at a unique way of fishing with archer Howard Hill: using a bow and arrow-like harpoon.”

    Howard Hill was the champion archer known to movie buffs for his arrow artistry in the best Robin Hood film.

  114. 114.

    trollhattan

    February 17, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @divF:

    San Francisco is turning into a giant theme park for the tech kids.

    Already happened long ago; just took awhile for folks to figure it out.

    One visits, then goes home.

  115. 115.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Are you yelling at clouds as well?

  116. 116.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 17, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    Dear Rachel Maddow-
    People saying they don’t want to be appointed to the Supreme Court is not news worthy of an “exclusive breaking” tease (Jeh Johnson, if you’re curious)

  117. 117.

    redshirt

    February 17, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I literally yell at clouds on a not infrequent basis. Shake my fist at them too. For real!

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @jl

    Carry on, Baud!

    Sadly, weakest effort in the Carry On series of British movies.

  119. 119.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @redshirt: In fairness, there’s little else to do in the woods of Maine.

  120. 120.

    raven

    February 17, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @NotMax: Thanks!

  121. 121.

    jl

    February 17, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @efgoldman: His latest excuse is that he is virtual campaign and he is timeless.

    When the convention comes, and Baud! has negative delegates I wonder how he will pay up. I guess a sorrowful bleg on BJ blog will ensue.

  122. 122.

    different-church-lady

    February 17, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @efgoldman: Holy god, allium humor. I really have seen it all now…

  123. 123.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @raven

    Glad you saw the heads-up.

    It’s deep sea fishing, and somewhat remarkable.

  124. 124.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I heard from a reliable source

    Heh, probably some fuckhead on the internets.

  125. 125.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @efgoldman: Most of the time, we can’t tell the difference here in LA.

  126. 126.

    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    February 17, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Second shoe dropped on the Bundys and others – indictments have been popping out of Nevada and a bunch of Bundy cattle are getting rounded up.

    The Bundys only own 160 acres – that wouldn’t even be enough to support a family on a farm in the fertile, wet east. They’re surrounded by hundreds of thousands of acres of BLM land – land which the Bundys have no deed to nor grazing rights.

    Bundy was running about 1000 poorly tended cattle on land he was trying to steal. They wandered as far as 50 miles, into the Lake Mead Rec Area. They presented a hazard to landowners and motorists. Also, Bundy was running a bunch of guarded checkpoints on all the local roads and BLM properties.

  127. 127.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 17, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: let’s not ramp up the puns here
    (really, let’s not, cause that’s all I got)

  128. 128.

    redshirt

    February 17, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Oh there’s plenty. But I’ve got solar panels and a house that gets a lot of bonus heat from the sun, and so I chose my location based on these things. But made a major miscalculation in my assumptions and now will pay the price. For ever!

    Note 1! It doesn’t matter what the weather is like directly overheard, but rather some degrees to the South-West.
    Note 2! The Eastern side of a mountain valley is worse than the Western side.
    Note 3! Don’t underestimate Mt. Washington AKA The Cloud Factory.

    I could go on at length. About clouds.

  129. 129.

    mike in dc

    February 17, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    Playing “spot the policy detail” while watching this Trump “town hall” is like playing “Where’s Waldo?”, if Waldo isn’t actually in the picture.

  130. 130.

    raven

    February 17, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @NotMax: It’s not listed on my DISH Network guide so I recorded everything on both sides of it.

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Don’t let that news leek out.

  132. 132.

    Elie

    February 17, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    What a bore. A pig a mole and a snake …. what’s the story? Who cares? I know that I should pay more attention but I just cannot believe that they are for real.

  133. 133.

    Betty Cracker

    February 17, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    Rubio’s done on CNN. Looks like his reboot was mostly successful, but a minor programming error kept barfing up the word “blessed.” Three times in one sentence, IIRC. Next up, Creepy Cruz.

  134. 134.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @redshirt:

    But made a major miscalculation in my assumptions and now will pay the price. For ever!

    What? You get a regrettable tat?

  135. 135.

    scav

    February 17, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @efgoldman: 2000 isn’t that long ago for a world premiere. But, then, I’m lamentably behind the curve on the whizzing opera scene. Rather regretting there will be no pork-inspired soprano warblings though.

  136. 136.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    raven

    Title is Sword Fishing.

  137. 137.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Next up, Creepy Cruz.

    I hope you’re drinking.

  138. 138.

    Patricia Kayden

    February 17, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @Skippy-san: Or give your brain a break and watch something else altogether.

    @Elie: And why are you insulting pigs, moles and snakes?

  139. 139.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 17, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Well, I shall judge “Love of my Loins” on its own merits. It does feminism no good at all to be told, or to think, “Hmm, not bad for a woman.” But I do have very high hopes for this — Saariaho has a distinguished reputation, and I plan to familiarize myself with some of her recorded works between now and December.

    As for Fanny Mendelssohn, if her name had been Frank Mendelssohn she might have received both more encouragement and a more rigorous musical training. From the Wikipedia article on her:

    However, Fanny was limited by prevailing attitudes of the time toward women, attitudes apparently shared by her father, who was tolerant, rather than supportive, of her activities as a composer. Her father wrote to her in 1820 “Music will perhaps become his [i.e. Felix’s] profession, while for you it can and must be only an ornament”.[5] Although Felix was privately broadly supportive of her as a composer and a performer, he was cautious (professedly for family reasons) of her publishing her works under her own name.

  140. 140.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 17, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    @trollhattan: This what I’ve done with IR(Infrared album) so far.

  141. 141.

    Just One More Canuck

    February 17, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @dr. bloor: what schools? what does he want to study?

  142. 142.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    “So I’m dating…” “In escrow…” “250!” “How much did she have to drink?”

    I didn’t even know that dating involved escrow now. Sigh. I’m even more out of touch than I thought.

  143. 143.

    redshirt

    February 17, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I’d have a better relationship with clouds if it was merely a regrettable tat.

    CLOUDS!!!!!

    There’s a phenomena I see all the time, directly connected to Mt. Washington. I call it “line in the sky”. Based on wind direction, a completely overcast sky will emanate from Mt. Washington to a certain point, where literally there is a demarcation in the sky, and on the other side of this line is pure blue sky. From experience and typical wind directions, this line is about 6 miles to my South. Close enough I can see it very clearly, far enough away that I’ll be overcast all day while folks just down the road get a blue sky day. It’s very frustrating – hence the cloud anger.

  144. 144.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @danielx: There is no peak wingnut. There is only ever-increasing wingnut pique.

  145. 145.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    re: opera

    We’ve had Nixon in China.

    We’ve had Einstein on the Beach.

    We’ve even had Jackie O.

    And the list of celebrities and politicians goes on and on.

    Perhaps someone, somewhere, is furiously scribbling Trump on the Stump?

  146. 146.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    There is no Dana either.

    Oh yeah? Then tell me who wrote Two Years Before The Mast?

  147. 147.

    Jibeaux

    February 17, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    Watching the heels and knitting. Very nice.
    Also re: Cuba, Vox posted a great video about smuggling media to Cuba, it was very interesting. There’s a powerful entrepreneurial hustle in people, even those in an isolated island without capitalism.

  148. 148.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh terribly sorry I edited that out, I thought right away. And now I’m beyond the limit.

    My comment is definitely best read as if in the “There is only Zuul” voice, I should add.

  149. 149.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Aha, the Gatekeeper of Gozer.

  150. 150.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 17, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @NotMax: “Tristan and I Sold”?

    The Barberless of Seville?

    Actually, Pagliacci is pretty much tailor made.

  151. 151.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    Second shoe dropped on the Bundys and others – indictments have been popping out of Nevada and a bunch of Bundy cattle are getting rounded up.

    Best news I’ve seen today.

    Wait – is Scalia still dead? Yes? OK, then the Bundy thing is the second-best thing I’ve seen today.

  152. 152.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Richard Henry Forester

  153. 153.

    NotMax

    February 17, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim

    *extended golf clap*

  154. 154.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @SFAW: Flanders?!

  155. 155.

    Mnemosyne

    February 17, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    It’s raining in Southern California, which means that all sensible people are indoors. Even if you yourself can drive in the rain, it’s inadvisable to take your chances with the rest of the population.

    Plus Annie decided to wake us up at 2 am howling at another cat (I assume) in the alley, so we’re going to try and make it an early night tonight.

  156. 156.

    Anoniminous

    February 17, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    Bundy Indictments:

    * Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the U.S. – 5 years, $250,000 fine
    * Conspiracy to Impede and Injure a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 6 years, $250,000 fine
    * Assault on a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 20 years, $250,000 fine
    * Threatening a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 10 years, $250,000 fine
    * Use and Carry of a Firearm in Relation to a Crime of Violence – 5 years minimum and consecutive
    * Obstruction of the Due Administration of Justice – 10 years, $250,000 fine
    * Interference with Interstate Commerce by Extortion – 20 years, $250,000 fine
    * Interstate Travel in Aid of Extortion – 20 years, $250,000 fine

  157. 157.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Flanders?!

    ???
    Moll, Ned, Fields, or something else? Ich bin confused.

  158. 158.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    Hot damn.

  159. 159.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @SFAW: I am not sure this will help.

  160. 160.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    February 17, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I read that. He’s an asshole beyond belief. OPB has a special on the aftermath of Malheur.

    @Anoniminous: Isn’t that cool? And he didn’t get bond!

  161. 161.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Well, it helps explain the comment. Apparently my not-so-classical education is lacking.

    I’ll have to go back and re-read 1066 and All That, see if there’s a chapter on him.

  162. 162.

    trollhattan

    February 17, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
    Bestest news in a long while. The Long Hammer of the Obama keeps smacking Bundys wherever they slither.

  163. 163.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    He’s an asshole beyond belief.

    Wait — are you saying he’s a RWNJ AND an asshole beyound belief? I never would have guessed that.

  164. 164.

    Davebo

    February 17, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    OK, since it’s an open thread…

    For just over 17 years I’ve owned my own software development company but it, and my clients depended almost completely on the oil and gas business. Things were great for a long time but if you’ve topped off your tank lately you may have noticed that my business has gone in the tank! About two months ago I decided that I needed a change. I decided that since in my city the two biggest industries are energy and health care I should look into the former and applied for a programming position with one of the top cancer research hospitals in the country.

    Today, after two interviews totaling 3 hours they called and offered me a position as a research programmer and I’m stoked! Don’t get me wrong, when oil was at $100 life was great but having stability, a fabulous benefit package and working in a truly recession proof industry is going to add 20 years to my life I’m sure.

    In the end, databases are databases regardless of what date you stuff them with. It will be strange having a real job after almost two decades but I think it will be a great new challenge!

    Sorry but I’m just so excited, and relieved.

  165. 165.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    @Davebo: Congrats.

  166. 166.

    Deecarda

    February 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    WTF, is Cruz paying CNN for this time? I thought the format was town hall. AC just sitting there conceding the stage to Cruz.

  167. 167.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    Re: Bundy

    I think it would be good humor if someone started a rumor that Malheur was all an Obama plan to get Bundy pere off his ranch, and someplace where the Feds could bag him …

    … AND that Ammon Bundy was in on that plan from the beginning. In fact, it was Ammon who originally suggested it to the Feds.

    Might get an actual, real-life circular firing squad, with only RWNJs as casualties.

  168. 168.

    Anoniminous

    February 17, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    @Davebo:

    Congratulations.

  169. 169.

    scav

    February 17, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @efgoldman: Only reason I knew was I’d just been to the link — that whizzing opera scene was in refernce to that. I really was just in despair over the pork aria getting the chop.

  170. 170.

    SFAW

    February 17, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Davebo:
    Great news! congratulations!

  171. 171.

    chopper

    February 17, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    you’ll be moving here after the rainiest year ever so it’s all uphill as far as I’m concerned.

  172. 172.

    Davebo

    February 17, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    Thanks all. My one concern is this.

    If indeed the goal of this massive organization is to cure cancer, won’t that put us all out of work?

    OK, I guess it would be worth it.

    And “research programmer” sounds better than just “programmer” to me.

  173. 173.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 17, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Davebo: Putting research in front of a title generally makes it sound better – except “research monkey,” that one is never good.

  174. 174.

    Calouste

    February 17, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @Davebo: It’s very unlikely that they will find one cure that works for all types of cancers. If you already have worked for 17 years, this work will last you until retirement. And congrats :)

  175. 175.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    February 17, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    @Davebo: Yippee! That’s great news for you.

  176. 176.

    Warren Terra

    February 17, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    For those of us who follow politics like a telenovela, tonight presents a dilemma. Terracota figurine Donald Trump is on MSNBC. Cruz, Rubio and Carson are on CNN. What to do? What to do?

    Point and laugh at ?Jeb.

    I mean, he’s making Fred Thompson look like a committed campaigner. Ben Carson managed to get on the CNN event, and ?Jeb is stuck someplace away from the TV cameras, polishing his new handgun or something?

  177. 177.

    Scott Alloway

    February 17, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: So very true. Love the city. Spent a week there in 1967 on my own at 17. Wonderful.

  178. 178.

    J R in WV

    February 17, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @Davebo:

    Congratulations Davebo.

    I completely understand. I did contract work for a while, it paid well, but was stressful and long hours sometimes. So after one contracted project wound up, a friend working at a state agency asked me if I would be interested in signing up to help him in what was then kind of a one man operation.

    Long story short I got a job, worked there nearly 20 years until I retired. Big fun taking systems from COBOL/IMS to Oracle with clients running on Windows, followed by web-based systems towards the end.

    Data is data, the more complex the more fun to model. If you have a good data model, you can deal with changing needs without too much pain.

    Watch for tweaky health care requirements, HIPPA, etc.

    Best of luck in your new world!

  179. 179.

    Davebo

    February 18, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @J R in WV:

    I rarely took contract positions (until recently when the bottom fell out).

    Luckily my work won’t deal with patient data at all but more with equipment calibration requirements mostly for Radiation Dosimetry quality assurance in medical trials.

    Computer geeks and physicists. Seems a match made in heaven to me!

    Thanks

  180. 180.

    mclaren

    February 18, 2016 at 12:17 am

    As the election approaches, the articles asymptotically approach peak insanity. First off, Tom “My Asshole Advice Impoverished My Billionaire Wife Until She Was Worth 1% Of What She Had When I Married Her” Friedman with the spectacularly idiotic column “Who Are We?”:

    Bernie Sanders shows zero interest in entrepreneurship and says the Wall Street banks that provide capital to risk-takers are involved in “fraud”…”

    Let’s see: Goldman Sachs just plead guilty to massive criminal fraud and paid the SEC a record 550 million dollar fine and promised not to do it again.

    That sounds like Wall Street banks are involved in fraud.

    Washington, D.C., July 15, 2010 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced that Goldman, Sachs & Co. will pay $550 million and reform its business practices to settle SEC charges that Goldman misled investors in a subprime mortgage product just as the U.S. housing market was starting to collapse.

    In agreeing to the SEC’s largest-ever penalty paid by a Wall Street firm, Goldman also acknowledged that its marketing materials for the subprime product contained incomplete information.

    In its April 16 complaint, the SEC alleged that Goldman misstated and omitted key facts regarding a synthetic collateralized debt obligation (CDO) it marketed that hinged on the performance of subprime residential mortgage-backed securities. Goldman failed to disclose to investors vital information about the CDO, known as ABACUS 2007-AC1, particularly the role that hedge fund Paulson & Co. Inc. played in the portfolio selection process and the fact that Paulson had taken a short position against the CDO.

    Source: SEC government website, press release 2010-123.

    Can anyone on this forum come up with a description of the behavior of Wall Street banks over the last 20 years that does not involve the word ‘fraud’?

    Bueller?

    Anyone?

    Next, we have the wildly demented Atlantic monthly article “Looking Backward on the Presidency of Donald Trump.” The takeaway is the ever-popular “we are all to blame”:

    And maybe it was a price the American people had to pay. Maybe Trump was a mirror, and we hated him because we hated what we saw in our reflection. We were coasting and knew it. A generation of elites prized shamelessness and ambition over virtue. Our newness and pride as a nation didn’t protect us from decadence, but it did allow us to ignore it, glued to our grievances and our phones as our culture and politics grew ever more brittle and shallow and crass.

    In the end, Trump is what America had earned. Trump is what America deserved. Trump was our reckoning. And while his rise to power was born of our failings, it also forced us to find our strength. It’s amazing how adaptable we are as human beings, isn’t it? Trump saved us.

    There are probably words to describe how insane that moral is, but I can’t come up with them. I don’t think the English language contains such words.

    And it’s only February, folks! By the time we get to July, the streets of America will probably be full of people dancing frantically until they drop — say hello to medieval dancing mania!

    And you thought the debt crisis ceiling was peak wingnut insanity. Folks, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…

  181. 181.

    Ryan

    February 18, 2016 at 5:25 am

    The only way to win is to not play the game. Works for nuclear wars too.

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