Excuse the pun, but Christie burned his bridges with establishment, conservative & moderate GOP. Trump his only path back in. Makes sense.
— AlGiordano (@AlGiordano) February 26, 2016
Look, it is known that Governor Christie likes the finer things in life. Now that he’s endorsed Mr. Trump, he can once again fly first class and stay in the yooogest, most luxurious hotels, with as much fine dining in world-class restaurants as the lap band permits. Not to mention another chance to blow his own horn at the nominating convention, this time in Cleveland — he can make a pilgrimage to The Boss’s exhibit at the Rock’n’Roll Hall of Fame, and he won’t even have to write up an expense account afterwards!
Man, it's almost like Chris Christie will go to great lengths to spite people he thinks wronged him.
— Kelsey D. Atherton (@AthertonKD) February 26, 2016
Mr. Charles P. Pierce, at Esquire:
… Christie and He, Trump have been running buddies for a while. They share similar temperaments and speaking styles. They both dislike Ted Cruz, which gives the two of them something in common with the rest of humanity. Christie kamikaze’d himself into Marco Rubio in New Hampshire, a move that benefitted He, Trump more than anyone else. And now, on the day after a debate in which the elite pundit class thought Rubio dinged Trump up worse than he’d been dinged all year, here comes Big Chicken to the rescue as the entire world echoes with the sound of thousands to TV cameras being swiveled back to the entertaining burlesque attraction of a vulgar talking yam…
Chris Christie’s thinking: Trump will probably be impeached within months, so the Veep job is like winning!
— Dan Froomkin (@froomkin) February 26, 2016
Jim Newell, at Slate, “Chris Christie Is Marco Rubio’s Kryptonite”:
… We can consider all sorts of reasons for why Chris Christie endorsed Trump on Friday, one day after a Republican debate in which Rubio seemed to knock the billionaire back on his heels: promise of a job in the Trump administration, sidling up to the near-inevitable winner, stylistic similarities or a Tri-State penchant for brawling. Really anything could have motivated him, except for Christie’s stated reason that he believes Donald Trump would make an excellent president.
What seems most likely, on the guttural level that spurs an establishment governor to make a decision to support a figure like Donald Trump for president, is that he despises Marco Rubio and enjoys thrashing him. If he can’t do it through his own campaign anymore, he’ll do it through someone else’s…
I agree with Christie. Donald Trump is one strongman.
— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) February 26, 2016
Rudy Giuliani probably thought he'd be attorney general in a Trump administration and is cursing Chris Christie at this moment.
— AlGiordano (@AlGiordano) February 27, 2016
Jamelle Bouie, also at Slate:
… [T]he horse race aside, Christie’s endorsement is breathtakingly cynical. For months, he attacked Trump for his ignorance and his bigotry, mocking his plan to ban Muslims from the United States. “We do not need to endorse that type of activity, nor should we,” said Christie during a December appearance on conservative talk radio host Michael Medved’s show. “You do not need to be banning Muslims from the country. That’s, in my view, that’s a ridiculous position and one that won’t even be productive.” It was part of Christie’s appeal as a moderate, reasonable Republican. Someone you could trust to appeal to all Americans and ignore the temptation of a hyper-nationalist demagogue.
Either Christie didn’t mean it, or his integrity is worth less than a modest chance at career advancement…
My god this picture. You would immediately leave any bus station where you saw this. pic.twitter.com/HLIbrtQBgk
— Daniel Roberts (@ironmikegallego) February 26, 2016
Flashbacks hurt don't they pic.twitter.com/a1LZXedU6x
— ? s????? ???s??? (@KStreetHipster) February 26, 2016
Minor point but guttural doesn’t mean what that Slate dude thinks it does.
Okay, here is the new Trump campaign song:
yo…talk about petty
Marco Rubio who is like 12 years old in politic years telling Chtistie he has “a bright future” mahn even I would been like fuq u man
Just a friendly reminder to everyone that Cole used to openly express his admiration for Christie. Also Griftwald. You know damn well that neither of those things have changed.
Nobody should forget that. This is a guy who supposedly runs a left wing political blog site. He doesn’t have the common sense to run a website about taking out the garbage imho.
My guess was along the lines of basic spotlight hogging but also a massive squid-ink burst of notoriety in order to drown out any simmering Bridge etc information bubbling up. So, perhaps all sorts of upsides for the morally / ethically flexible slippery butterball in question.
@Trentrunner: I die a little inside every time I see someone who gets paid to write make mistakes like that.
Fat man fellates egotistical sociopath for food and fame. Sick.
And is anyone going to have a thought for poor little George Will? He hates Der Trump (not a conservative!) and devoted a column to praise of Christie. Poor George! Hahahahahahahahaha.
@shomi: We look forward to your website, doubtless read by thousands, to enlighten us properly.
Another possible motive I haven’t seen anyone else discuss.
Might Christie have an interest in a pardon and\or squashing of certain awkward Federal investigations?
@MattF: George Will (lockjaw climate change denialist Kermit the Frog) may decide to just write about baseball from now on.
I guess every media pundit is obligated to repeatedly state Rubio bested Trump in the last debate but he did not, in fact, damage Trump. Both Rubio and Cruz tried their own lines of attack against Trump but neither of them did a lick of damage.
This whole thing is worth reading. But this stuck out to me:
Man, these f*ckers.
All these journalists fretting over Christie’s cynicism must not be from the NY metro area. Really, this is all shaping up to be one of the best mob movies ever. If some local Dems thought Trump had a realistic shot at becoming POTUS you’d see some of them jumping on the fucking bandwagon also, just like they did with Giuliani.
Al D’Amato must be laughing his ass off.
Two of the, ahem, bigger Romney haters unite. Glorious!
@Corner Stone: It was like watching those 1930s airplanes strafe King Kong.
And as for motive, I think it’s been noticed that Christie is more than a little ambitious, more than a little attracted to the spotlight, more than a little convinced of his own virtues and abilities. He’s just, generally, a ‘more than a little’ kind of guy.
It doesn’t seem to me that there was all that much political calculation for Chris Christie to do before deciding to endorse The Donald. “The Donald is all but certain to be the Republican nominee. Between now and election day — and who knows, maybe for four or eight years thereafter, the Donald will be the most powerful Republican there is. The sooner I start kissing up to him, the better.”
“Guttural” has three syllables whereas “gut” has only one, and is thus three times better as a word. Especially now that there are no copy editors left at Slate to tell you it’s wrong.
I’m not sure where AlGiordano thought Christie was going next in politics? He didn’t have any bridges to burn with the establishment or *moderate* GOP.
St. Louis Student, 9, Can’t Attend School Because He’s Black
Edmund Lee, a third-grader at a charter school in south St. Louis, can’t attend the school next year because his family moved to the suburbs, from which, an archaic law states, black students can’t attend city schools.
BY: STEPHEN A. CROCKETT JR.
Posted: Feb. 26 2016 7:36 AM
Nine-year-old Edmund Lee is a great student. He’s a third-grader at Gateway Science Academy, a charter school in south St. Louis. He’s been a student there since kindergarten, and he wants to stay there, but an archaic law on the city’s books won’t allow him to attend the school anymore because he’s black.
Everything was fine as long as Edmund and his family lived in the city of St. Louis. But their recent move to the suburbs means that Edmund can’t attend his old school. Because of the way that St. Louis’ laws are written, suburban kids cannot attend city schools if they are black.
“When I read the guidelines, I was in shock,” Edmund’s mother, La’Shieka White, told Fox 2 Now. “I was crying.”
The law was passed decades ago and was meant to address school segregation.
School officials told the news station that because it’s the law, their hands are tied, but they welcome revisiting the rules.
White has launched a petition, asking lawmakers to take notice of her situation, adding that this isn’t just about her son, since she has heard from white students’ parents who were also unable to transfer to the school of their choice.
@Amir Khalid: No need to single out Slate. There are no copy editors left anywhere to tell you it’s wrong.
I still wonder who in the Romney camp thought it would be a good idea to give Christie that platform. I think Christie spoke about himself for something like 16 minutes before he ever even mentioned the name “Romney”.
That was a real time dumpster fire of a speech and I was blown away at how bad the Romney people were at politics. Eastwood and his empty chair, Ann and her “I love you women!” moment, then Christie’s self-aggrandizing speech.
Personally, I am enjoying the NFL Combine. Yes, that is how I roll.
@Ken: I thought there was a little hanky panky going on when Trump’s son in law is getting $93 million in tax breaks for building some shit building in NJ. Might that be something to add to the equation?
@Amir Khalid: Yeah, I remember when I had to tell one of my college roommates that the phrase ‘the fundament of the Church’ he used in an essay didn’t mean what he thought it did. That darned English language can get confusing.
@Corner Stone: Mitt Romney doesn’t understand showmanship, Clint Eastwood’s avant garde performance art notwithstanding. This year’s convention will be different, Las Vegas brought to Cleveland courtesy of the Trump campaign.
The weird thing is that I don’t hate Trump or Christie the way I loathe/hate/despise/incur nausea with Rubiobot “Punk (TM)” and Cruz. Happy voting for Hillary like for reals, but Trump has done America a service by ripping off the facade of the GOP. There hasn’t been any decency in that party for years and they should just not be in the governing business since they hate it so much.
Will the Coloreds NEVER stop trying to be treated as if they’re more than 3/5ths of a real person? Next thing you know, they’ll want to vote and own a house ‘n’ stuff.
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@SFAW: also “their”. god, doesn’t anybody take english any more
You mean it isn’t the polite form of “gutter”?
craven republican is craven
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@Germy: In a John Grisham novel I recently read, someone talks too loudly and another character says “Lower your voice,” and the narrator tell us the loud guy dropped his voice several octaves. I’m guessing that wasn’t a deliberate joke. I did laugh though.
Lamb, I have an unnatural antipathy for Rubio. I do hope that Christie is his kryptonite. Mainly because he’s a teabagger weasel try ing to pass as “moderate”.
This morning when Ann Laurie posted that hilarious drink menu, I thought Rubio as a “Shirley Temple”: fake drink from the 50’s geared to oldsters trying to make their kids feel adult.
When I awoke this morning, it never occurred to me that I would see that phrase.
Actually, pretty much every morning.
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I was reading 538 this morning and I clicked through to the comments.
The gist is “blacks and olds aren’t real voters and Nate Silver is in the tank for Hitlery just like the rest of the media and pollsters are liars and I will never vote for that harridan of a warmongering neoliberal whore/skank, not that that would make me a bad Democrat or sexist.”
“Now, to talk about her hideous clothing choices and how she’s obviously a lesbian, also something about Goldwater…”
@Ksmiami: Ted Cruz is the fucking worst.
@Major Major Major Major:
What the hell kinda commie are you? (I know, I know, “First class,” as Rocky Rococo might say.)
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@SFAW: One of my friends and a former co-author used to have exchanges like this with me, just to piss me off.
“Come on, we have to get going, Adam.”
“Alright, just a second, I have to put my glasses in.”
Last year I moved to what used to be Sheldon Silver’s district in New York. Sadly he was expelled from the Assembly before I had a chance to vote against the slimy, corrupt old toad.
There are two effects on the Democratic primary process here:
1. The special election to replace Silver will be held simultaneously with the New York primary, way out in the middle of April. This gives us lower-Manhattanites a reason to vote in a primary that’ll probably be decided by then.
2. In case the primary isn’t resolved by then, Sheldon Silver may become relevant again. He was a member of the Democratic National Committee, and although his felony conviction automatically expelled him from the Assembly, there aren’t any rules like that for the DNC. All the DNC members are superdelegates, so if he was never actually removed from the DNC, he gets to go to Philadelphia (hopefully in a prison jumpsuit).
@Iowa Old Lady: I’ve linked to the famous ‘Slow Down‘ routine from Taxi before, but what the heck.
Well, actually …
Once again, can we please can the fat jokes? Christie is odious, but being fat isn’t what makes him odious, and it isn’t a symptom of what makes him odious. There are plenty of fat people on our side, and by treating being fat as a moral failing to get a cheap dig at Christie, you’re being needlessly cruel to them.
I’m well aware that the idea is endemic in this country that being fat is disgusting, a personal failing, and obviously caused by gluttony, but that doesn’t mean we have to perpetuate it.
Christie had no political future unless he endorsed somebody, which meant he’d endorse Trump sooner than later. A measure of how dumb pundits are that they’re surprised by predictable political hackery.
@Trentrunner: I think Slate guy thinks it means “guttersnipe”. But it doesn’t.
24 reps at 225 is garbage for a premier defensive lineman. Damn, Joey Bosa.
@Iowa Old Lady:
Dropped his voice several octaves? And then everyone in the room shuddered and voided their bowels.
Iowa Old Lady
@MattF: Hee. I’ve never seen that before.
@Germy: I know! I figured it wasn’t even possible for a human to do that.
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@Iowa Old Lady: Meatloaf could find a way.
Soooo I finally cracked, in my polite little way, on the Book of Faces. My buddies just keep sharing stuff about Bernie’s crowd sizes so I just had to post
I can’t wait for the part where Donald gets up on stage, ostensibly to accept the nomination, then explains to the Republican party for 15 minutes what sadistic sociopaths they are, tells them where to stuff the nomination, and drops the mike.
The Republicans, unable to challenge Trump’s takedown, do the honorable thing and nominate Bernie for the GE.
Christie is aiming for the Sec of Transportation in the Trumpster administration. Hes going to make sure all bridges will remain open at all times.
It’s the year of working class and middle class revolt against the establishment, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz elects to put debates between Bernie and the establishment candidate on Saturday when no one will be watching.
Mistermix decides he wants incrementalism and Richard Mayhew wants to protect his high-paying insurance gig. And of course the rich white ladies want to eliminate their personal glass ceiling.
The rich white ladies and “virtue elite” (https://harpers.org/blog/2016/02/nor-a-lender-be/) of the Democratic Party decide to jam HRC down our throats, so instead of a New Deal coalition coming together around Bernie, we have the coalition coming together around Trump: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431951/donald-trump-gop-future
If you get out of the liberal cocoon, you can already see Coulter and Frum and Fournier and O’Sullivan and LePage and Christie and the Republican Party waking up and realizing they mustn’t blow this. So they will all line up behind Trump and take the election, as well as all the down-ticket elections.
Cole (whom I respect) tweets a graph of a poll showing Hillary can beat Trump, but of course it’s based on “likely” voters, which you can forget about in a revolution year. African Americans will not be turning out like they turned out for Obama. (Even if they wanted to, the new voter id laws will take care of that.)
And the numbers turning out in the Republican primary are way up (while of course Dem numbers are way down–a deliberate part of the strategy to jam HRC down our throats.
But you guys keep making fun of Christie and “yuuuuge,” and keep counting on the Hispanics (who in Nevada turned out to vote for Trump).
Mayhew, you’ll get to keep your job, which is all you fucking care about. And Mistermix, enjoy the incremental move to the right for the next 40 years as a once in a lifetime opportunity is once again blown by the Dems.
There isn’t an amplifier on earth loud enough to convey the passion behind my big Fuck You to you.
It’s so awkward seeing people upset about the 3/5 compromise. If slaves counted as whole people while “massa” was still allowed to vote on their behalf, that helps the slaveholders, not the slaves.
They would have been better off being counted as 0/5 of a person.
I agree. Chris Christie’s major sins are greed and gluttony. It’s not his fault he looks like the consequences of those sins.
@MattF: I wish George Will a very, very long and healthy life. Full of shame, ignominy and regret that stings like a bullet ant.
Christie has an easy answer to explain his endorsement of Trump. It is that Trump, despite his faults, is far superior to Cruse or Rubio.
Although I detest Trump, I agree that he is superior to Cruse or Rubio.
@Mike J: Has Nigel Farage chimed in yet?
@SFAW: nope, he’s right to use the apostrophe, since this “it’s” is the contraction for “it is”. The apostrophe isn’t used for the possessive “its”, unlike the usual possessive formation.
Your uber-pedantic lesson of the day!
The right-wing nutjobs of the world are uniting behind the Donald!
@beltane: He’s too busy with Brexit.
Speaking of which, have you seen the Murdoch quote going around? He said that when he goes into Downing street, they do what he says. When he goes to Brussels, they ignore him.
@KH: How much does Karl Rove pay for trolling nowadays anyway?
Hey, newsflash, buddy, if either Democratic candidate is elected in November, all you’re getting is incrementalism. If you were a Bernie supporter who actually paid attention to facts and history, you would actually think this a good thing, as Bernie has shown himself the most adept candidate at pushing meaningful incremental changes.
Hey, I don’t like the insurance industry, but that’s pretty fucking unfair. If you’re gonna attack Richard Mayhew, attack him for not being familiar with what Bernie is actually proposing. Actually, don’t do that, because you clearly haven’t dug into the substance beyond the pie-in-the-sky any more than Mayhew has.
Trump was the first choice among Latino Republicans. That’s like saying that Carly Fiorina was the first choice among female Fortune 500 CEOs (though I doubt this is actually true, but for comparison’s sake). You think the election is going to turn based on the majority of a minority of a minority?
@srv: Another endorsement for Trump!
pseudonymous in nc
Well, that’s one way to misread exit polling data if you want to appear really dumb.
Go and have a purity pity party.
@Scamp Dog: Is this really deep snark?
My O’meter is usually on point but at this time in the election season…
@Germy: I never took French, but extrapolating from what I know of Latin and Spanish, I have come to a rough translation, “I’m a racist and I support how well racism is performing in the American election.”
Mike in NC
Christie doesn’t want to be VP. He wants to be Attorney General or get a nomination to the Supreme Court.
@Kropadope: translation: “If I was American, I’d vote for Donald Trump … But God protect him.”
@Corner Stone: Nope, not snark, it’s an accurate English usage lesson.
Maybe we should make that wall 10 feet higher.
@Trentrunner: God, I hope they try that. That is a losing strategy.
@Germy: I know, I was just snarking on her/
@Baud: And long enough to cover our entire shoreline.
@Germy: FYI, here‘s an essay by Mark Lilla on politics in France– including the current doings of the Le Pen clan.
Not very much. The savvy trolls know that they’re immediately outed as a Repub when they include “cram [candidate or policy] down our throats” in their screeds.
@pseudonymous in nc: CNN on Trump/Hispanics:
@Major Major Major Major: trolls are everywhere. Please don’t take their bait.
@Kropadope: It could also protect us from rising sea levels. Win-win.
Steve in the ATL
@Germy: Since we are being pedantic today, the proper translation is “If I were American”
@KH: Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
@Major Major Major Major:
Which should be left to professional bloggers.
@Kropadope: I am pleased to see the sun has yet to rise over the morning you have any hint of self-awareness.
@Corner Stone: That’s going to produce some gravity waves.
@Baud: Or, conversely, we could use it to trap the high tide and slowly release it to produce tidal power.
@Germy: If I were American. Subjunctive.
Christie may be doing an effective demo of how lively he is as a speaker. So his fees go up on the speaking circuit. He is a natural politician. He can command an audience.
Every time a cable channel donates more free air to Donald and Chris is on the stump, higher fees. So Chris may not have to wait til 2018 to be the ex-Gov.
Issue: yesterday my ipad started locking on headphone jack even after the headphone is removed. restart reactivates the speakers. i don’t see anything in settings i can adjust.
@Steve in the ATL: Damn you and your faster typing fingers.
This is like Louisiana 1991 or France 2002. “Vote for the neoliberal – it’s important!”
@Kropadope: Is there anything Trump’s wall can’t do?
I’ll give the Sanders campaign this much: Just 4 hours after one of their unpaid shills melted down and started screaming that black votes don’t count because they’re too stupid to support Sanders, Tad Devine has already assigned a new volunteer to harangue us into voting for The Great One. That’s a quick response time!
I think this election is going to drive me insane. I know I should look at Trump and be repelled but when I compare him to Cruz and Rubio I can’t help but conclude that, even with the anti-Latino stuff, Trump is probably a better person and would be a better President.
@Germy: Where? Here?
@Chyron HR: I keep hearing this story. Gotta link?
@Baud: Sorry. Whenever I see his name, I let out an involuntary exclamation.
I did it again.
@MBunge: Think of the R candidates as denizens of concentric circles of Hell. Cheney is at the center, frozen solid, chewing on Cruz and Rubio. Trump is some distance from the center, but still damned.
@srv: I’m sold!
First Jean-Marie Le Pen, now this? It’s spring!
@Baud: I’m guessing #65 of the funnies thread this morning.
@shomi: Someone is forcing you to read it? Surely there are other blogs more worthy of your enlightened attention.
@Mike J: I thought something happened in real life. Thanks.
“Unlimited abortion on demand until the moment of delivery”.
WTF is Cruz talking about. He is such a POS.
It’s like when undercover cops used to try to infiltrate SDS meetings wearing bell-bottomed jeans but were given away by their black patent leather wingtips.
After which, we charge on a sliding scale.
@KH: That’s a big turd to pull out of your ass. Hurt much?
@Germy: It is interesting the way the ratf*kers are fluent in lefty-talk.
@Germy: That’s springtime. However, it’s winter for Poland and France.
Connie: Oh, you’re perfectly safe, Professor, in this boat.
Wagstaff: I don’t know. I was going to get a flat bottom but the girl at the boat house didn’t have one.
Connie: Well you know, Professor, I could go on like this, drifting and dreaming forever. What a day! Spring in the air.
Wagstaff: Who, me? I should spring in the air and fall in the lake?
Connie: Oh, Professor, you’re full of whimsy.
Wagstaff: Can you notice it from there? I’m always that way after I eat radishes.
He wanted visceral and blew it.
I’m starting to like this Rubio guy.
@Corner Stone: He wants to legalize shooting baby-carrying storks out of the sky.
@Keith P.: It’s like watching a Sith apprentice try to turn on his master. Adorable, in its own little way.
There are here, but they’re mocked as pedants.
Donald Trump blames Trump University legal woes on ‘hostile’ judge who ‘happens to be Spanish’
I called this. They would rather govern against Hillary Clinton, than for Donald Trump (to the extent that these guys even want to govern at all: they are trying to trash the joint but leave pork in the barrel for themselves).
As for coordinated Sanders twitvertism, I saw nothing to indicate that when I was inside the winning NH campaign, and some evidence it was scorned. We called our shredder/trash-paper room the ‘Twitter activism room’. It’s garbage. If you think you see that happening and it’s out of the Sanders campaign you’re projecting, or getting fooled by any of the Republicans who are more than happy to do that stuff. You don’t think Cruz lives for this sort of thing? They want to weaken Dems by dividing them.
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@Baud: If I *were*
ETA: I see I am not the only subjunctive-lover here.
Relieved to learn this post is not about me. I was scared when I saw the title pop up on my iphone.
@Applejinx: It makes sense from McConnell’s perspective. If you think that Trump is a near-guaranteed loser, switching to “hedge our bets” mode is only sensible. Whether or not it would work is a different question.
@Applejinx: Pretty amazing strategy for Mitch – hope that voters will sweep Hillary into office over the GOP candidate while simultaneously keeping a Senate that is pledged to stop her at every turn. But I guess that’s the best option they’ve got.
@Keith P.: It seems like there is an ongoing argument on twitter among the GOOPERS about the best way for ROBOMAN to show that the Donald is a con man and a fraud. Now every time I think the GOP has hit peak stupid they take it to the next level. If it takes a Rubio one liner to tell you that Trump is a fraud then you have been living on another planet for the past yea, are brain dead or maybe both. It should have been obvious to anyone with an IQ greater than dishwater than Trump is a con man and carnival barker. Now what is surprising is that he has been able to tap into the legitimate anger and fear of many people who feel that the party bigwigs are willing to take their vote one day every 4 years and then screw them the rest of the time.
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@Steeplejack (phone): There *our* here.
@D58826: Those two are going to have to be physically separated at some point. Trump is feeling he can get away with more and more (catch him now trying to physically intimidate a protester?), and Rubio’s starting to come down to Donald’s level on the insults. It’s incredibly unpresidential and embarrassing, but I swear, we’re gonna see Donald jab a finger into Rubio’s chest, it’s gonna get swatted away, and then all hell will break loose.
@Keith P.: Actually in ’96 they ran six months of editorials about all the benefits of a divided government.
@Keith P.: The next GOP debate will be nothing but a series of “Yo Mama” jokes.
It will sadly be more upscale than what we’ve seen so far from them.
@Major Major Major Major:
Yes, sorry, “They’re our hear.” Fix’d.
Reproduced from the comment thread on that NYT article:
@Mike J: I remember some of that in 2012 also.
@Baud: Simian dominance rituals. Maybe we can replace Trump with an orangutang at the next debate and see if anyone can tell the difference. The ape will probably be more coherent, that’s for sure.
Well, that’s settled, then!
@dmsilev: It’s funny, until you realize that, at the last debate, Trump was the only one of the top three to commit to “letting the good ones back in” and “not letting people die in the street.”
The last few days have been like a fine wine, aged patiently under proper conditions for 30+ years. Finally, the bottle has been taken out, dusted off, and is currently being decanted. Cheers!
TRump has been a con man for all of his adult life. That he is being a successful con at right wing politics surprises you? That’s all the rubes have been looking for, they don’t actually care about governing, they care about having their egos fed. TRumps con is feeding that. It’s all he has and all they want. It’s a match made in…… PT Barnum’s memory.
@dmsilev: So, you expect poop flinging in the next debate?
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@Chyron HR: Don’t flatter yourself/the blog. Applejinx is at least coherent (I know, I’ll stop flattering you) and comes here of ze’s own volition.
@Mike J: Maybe God does love us that much.
A Ghost To Most
No shit. This is like Comic-Con for democrats.
Can I sniff the cork?
@Corner Stone: that actually is the rule, even if it seems off. Not the way things would be done if English followed self-consistent rules, but languages grow and accrete without anybody really being in charge.
@SFAW: or better yet- it is wrong
Fat man will sing like a bird for Mrs J’s Famous Raspberry Banana Bread – now with sugared pecans!
@MattF: Well, they’re already throwing metaphorical poop at each other. Would it be so surprising if the metaphor becomes reality?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Nothing to see here, move along. It’s the economy stupid – my BernieBro FB feed just had clickbait floating really old white guy Noam Chomsky as the Secretary of Education in Bernie’s admin, because that would be really revolutionary or some such stupid shit.
Plus, ratings would go through the roof.
@SFAW: Nope, “it’s” is correct. “Its” is the possessive form.
@Scamp Dog: Sorry, but your not making any scents. Its not like this is there wurst mistake.
@John Cole: As far as I could tell, no one was referring to a complete CDS shitshow twitter feed.
Maybe next time, Big Papi.
Sorry…didn’t see #60.
@Kropadope: I don’t see what’s awkward about being upset about the 3/5ths compromise. Since before the founding of the United States of America, the vast majority of Americans believed that people from Africa (or their descendants) were sub-human. When drafting the US Constitution, the Founding Fathers finally hammered out an explicit quantification of just how sub-human these people were: 3/5. They codified it into the central governing document of our country, thus explicitly endorsing the reasonableness of this idea.
When the Constitution was ratified, lots of people were counted in the Census and used to attribute representation in Congress without having the right to vote – basically anyone who wasn’t a man with land and at least 21 years old. This is still true – the Census counts immigrants and citizens who are not yet of age to vote (there’s a Supreme Court challenge currently pending on this subject).
It’s true that the argument for counting slaves, who in all other aspects of law were essentially cattle, in order to apportion representation in Congress was pretty perverse and, as a purely political issue, 3/5ths was a better outcome than having them count as full persons since such an outcome would only have further empowered their explicit oppressors. But it still comes down to the fact that the idea of African-descendants being sub-human – 3/5ths of a human – was written into the DNA of this country before it was founded, and it’s still an idea which continues to haunt us.
I’ve thought/fantasized about this periodically for months…
“…it was easy, you slack-jawed morons…all I had to do was keep you all riled up, spout ‘Make America Great Again’ every two minutes and you were putty in my hands. Remember when I poured that water bottle out and threw it over my shoulder, saying it was Rubio? Pure WWF, you dummies…and you ate it up, every bit of it…”
Never happen, but nothing would or could EVER top it if it did.
@Applejinx: Put on your forward looking goggles – do you thinkl the Bernie folks will rally behind HRC if she is the nominee in the same fashion that the HRC/pumas rallied behind Obama in 2008? And I would serious hope the HRC folks would do the same if Bernie is the nominee. Serious question not trying to be snarky.
@Ruckus: I’m not surprised that Trump is a con man. As I asked on an earlier thread I was never sure if he started this just to create a new summer reality show or if he thought he could actually pull it off. I’m just surprised that the GOP poohbahs think they can take him down by pointing out that blindingly obvious fact to the rubes this late in the game. .
@Keith P.: Well look on the bright side when they lose in the fall both of them will have a promising new career with the WWF pro wrestling circuit. They would fit right into the con.
@Jeffro: Just be sure to keep folding chairs away from the podium.
And, for the record, here’s Roland Barthes on wrestling.
Mr Stagger Lee
Saw the CNN clip of a young man wearing a “Trump Endorses KKK” shirt also with a Yellow Star of David with the word “Juden”. Trump wanted to jump off the stage a nd stomp him. While the person was whisked away Trump wished the days when the police would responded faster. (I guess the protester taken to a place and tuned up a bit)
I wish to weigh in with those on this thread who have noted that, loathsome as Trump is, he’s still LESS loathsome than Cruz, Rubio and the other also-rans. Aside from their various flip flops on immigration, there is not one of his hideous “proposals” that they’re not 100% on board with. And they, unlike him, are committed to those things; there’s simply no way of knowing what Trump would actually do as God forbid president, because everything he says is made up as he goes along.
I could be wrong, but I also think it’s possible that Trump does possess a shred or two of human decency inside all that bluster — e.g., that “dying in the streets” exchange the other night. There is NOT a shred of human decency in any of the rest of them — of that I’m certain.
All of which is to say, I’m not sure I get the fact that some of the “OMG Trump must be stopped” hysteria is coming from the LEFT. There is absolutely zero chance of the republican party putting forth a less horrific candidate…..only a less obvious one.
@Mr Stagger Lee: I sure hope it does not happen , but I keep getting this feeling – and the feeling is stronger every day – that before this thing is over there is going to be some serious violence at a Trump rally.
That is going to be quite a moment in American politics, media, and history.
My anecdotal evidence is that even the most wildly enthusiastic Bernie supporters I know are going full-Dem in the general. Fuck 3rd party and fuck staying home. Clinton vs Trumpubiocruz is pretty clarifying.
@srv: It’s a well known fact that Obama assassinated Lincoln. He was dressed up in white farce with a John Wilkes Booth mask on. :-)
@srv: I should be surprised that such badly written garbage makes it into the “paper of record”, but I am not.
Btw, fuckface, you left out a little bit:
I had C-SPAN on briefly this afternoon, and they had a Rubio speech where he was declaring “in a world that is more dangerous than ever before, why has Barack Obama shrunk our military?”
Nice job of packing two lies into one question, asshole, and laying bare the conservative strategy of “you should be very afraid and let strong daddy project you.” And he still managed to come off as whiny instead of tough.
Iowa Old Lady
The LA Times reports stabbings at a KKK rally in Anaheim today.
@benw: sorta like facing the executioner!!!
@eemom: I agree with you. I have no idea what the man believes, but I know exactly what the other gang of four believe.
@benw: Not to mention that when asked directly, they each made clear they have great respect for the other and consider them vastly better than any of the Republicans. When Bernie is campaigning for Hillary in the general election, or vice versa, only the most butthurt of supporters will be able to stick with an attitude of taking their marbles and going home.
(Hey, my spellchecker recognizes “butthurt”! I guess I have been hanging around here for a pretty long time!)
Rubio is trying to take on Trump by borrowing a line about “Hair Force One”. I assume Trump will come back with something along the lines of that he will start paying attention to Rubio and his flopsweat when he actually has won a primary.
@D58826: any last words? Fuck Ted Cruz!
@Redshift: which makes the hostility online between various supporters kind of bonkers.
Bob In Portland
Someone may need a pardon.
I am completely over tired of Brian Williams trying to make inside joke after inside joke bullshit. Shut up, fabulist.
O. Felix Culpa
@SFAW: Actually, the original was correct: “it’s” is the contraction for “it is,” while”its” denotes the possessive. Now back to my pedantic lurking. Carry on, dear virtual BJ friends….
@eemom: I think they’re dangerous in entirely different ways. Cruz and Rubio are horrible (about equally) from a conventional policy perspective. Trump may well not pursue some of the standard awful conservative priorities (though who knows?), but he’s dangerous because he has an openly violent and nativist cult of personality, which would be horrible in entirely different way if he were actually to become president. I honestly don’t think it’s possible to predict which would be worse.
I think it will be better for us overall if he wins the nomination, because he provokes such a visceral reaction in both directions (at the campaign office today, one of the phone bankers was remarking that the most common response from uncommitted voters about who they favor is either “Trump” or “not Trump!”). But I don’t hear any liberals saying Trump must be stopped from getting the nomination. Do you?
@Johnnybuck: I agree also. Trump is much more his own creation so he doesn’t owe a lot of political debts to the crazy wing of the GOP like Cruz and Rubio or Kaisch who is much more the establishment guy. He would also would not be a indebted to the money-men since he is one himself. He would find it easier to go off-script and maybe, for example propose improving Obamacare rather than repealing it on his first day in office. Still a risk I would rather not take.
I saw a twitter link on how to apply for a Canadian citizenship if the GOP wins in November. Good that someone is planning ahead.
@Chyron HR: Um, I used to post here as Jinxtigr. I am the one Angry Black Lady liked for posting a simple and coherent explanation of how chaos theory applied to global warning. Now you’re just getting silly. I’ve probably been here longer than you.
@D58826: Oh hell no! He is completely unqualified to be President, is a complete loose cannon beholden to no one.
I’m still holding out that he’s a complete fraud.
O. Felix Culpa
@O. Felix Culpa: I see that the pedants among us were ahead of me (delightful) and pointing out correct use of the subjunctive (swoon).
Yeah, I’d rather not play out It Can’t Happen Here in real life just to see how it ends. I’d like to think my fellow citizens are better than that, but I don’t trust them enough to bet my country on it.
Considering where/who dRump came from and his life up till now, I’m thinking it isn’t a game for him. Like anyone with his type of personality, he believes his own shit, and that his shit doesn’t stink. How could it, it’s so much better than everyone else’s. He is a con man with no one left to con in his line of business, he’s burned most of the bridges and gold plated his name on the ones left. This is his last hurrah, conning the rubes. Remember that he is positive that he is better than everyone else so he’s positive that he can do this simple job of being president. So when the greasy old poop powers that be decide that they can’t live with him they will be out of luck, unless they manipulate the election to get their desired robot put in place.
@D58826: I don’t know. I see a shitload of people not willing to take the long view. I am doing my level best to fantasize scenarios where electing Hillary wouldn’t be horrible, encouraged by about 3/5s of the Clinton people here (those that are not happier considering me an alien robot from Bernie Planet and as unreachable as an ardent Cruz voter, which is super insulting really)
If I can picture these Hillary-okay scenarios then so can others. They invariably require her looking to her legacy and paying attention to what the hell is happening out there, and in fact leading the DNC, who seem to be made up of that 2/5 that think ‘anyone not with us, or saying mean hurtful things, are ENEMIES and unreachable’. That is madness in this political climate, and yet they keep being the ones running things.
There’s some chance people will rally behind Clinton even if she (or her people) remain adversarial. I honestly think Clinton tries way harder than her friends to, to reach out. FFS if she’s willing to yap at evildoers, that’s pretty freaking human (well, canine, but you get the idea). That’s really going out on a limb to sell the idea ‘I WILL SO go after evildoers and liars’.
Bernie will try as hard as he can to win, but he will not run third party and if called to support Clinton, he will express to his people two things: one, that they need to stay aligned and strong as a third wave in American politics, and two, that they need to throw their weight behind the Democratic nominee in such a way that the Dems REMEMBER who delivered the election. This is not a coalition to walk away from, and nobody on the Bernie side plans to go back to sleep, or to put much stock in the DNC being much use, especially in midterms.
That might be confusing for people: delivering a Dem victory, but decrying Democrats. I can only say look at the alternatives. Our bench sucks too, if this is the best we can do.
What happened to the new thread? It just disappeared all of a sudden.
Totally agree with this. And I think it is why, after 7 years of despicable and unconscionable Hitler/Nazi analogies, there’s finally one which needs to be taken seriously.
Again, the fact that he’s totally unpredictable is the key. The only thing we know for sure is that he’s a megalomaniac.
I’m hearing a generic “OMG Trump must be stopped”, without specification re nomination or general election. Basically, a visceral horror of President Trump that causes folks to abandon cool headed political calculation.
@Applejinx: to borrow from an lamented Sec. of Defense – you go with the candidate that you have not the one that you would like to have.
@Johnnybuck: I agree he is completely unqualified but a loose cannon can slide left as well as right. The only way I would be comfortable with a Trump presidency would be if he and I were the only two people left on the planet and I had a large cup of coffee laced with hemlock!!!
I wonder if the Republicans saw this coming when they decided not to act on an Obama Supreme Court nomination.
Dow wusses out.
Will the GOP be too proud to change their tune (which fat man is singing this song?) or will they let corporations twist in the wind?
ICYMI – Kevin Drum – Liberals need to back off on the Trump love:
I hope Rubio and Cruz stick around and batter Trump for many months to come. Weakening the Teabagger Party is something that we can all agree on, I hope.
Well if Hillary is the nominee I hope you and your fellow Bernie supports realize that no matter how bad a Hillary presidency might be (and I emphasize might) it will be orders of magnitude worse if the GOP wins.
By 2018 let alone 2020, Bernie’s third wave will be starting from a political world of 1870 and not 2016. A world with Obamacare might not be as good as one with single payer but its a darn sight better than a world with no unions, no minimum wage laws, no EPA and clean air and water, and no OSHA. Want to see a world that the GOP will create look at the coal mines exploding in China or the building collapses in India, etc. Poisoning people in Flint will be just the opening round of the GOP march backwards.
@D58826: Boy, ain’t that the truth. We are doing our level best to run with Bernie in the belief that he’s the best option for a real ‘throw the establishment out’ type of year. If we can’t win the primary it’s evidence of how tough Clinton is, plus evidence she’s listening as if she was only trying to run 2008 again she would never have got this far. She IS working at it, working super hard. We want that…
At least we’ll have the blessing of a repugnant opponent! :D
If I were a candidate on the republic side, I wouldn’t drop out at this point. There’s too much crazy not to think that anything could happen, so I would stay in.
Except that the supposedly sane one is the nuttiest of them all.
@Applejinx: I’m old enough to remember the ‘clean with Gene’ movement in 1968 and the bitter disappointment when it didn’t happen. The next step was ‘dump the hump’ which is exactly what happened and we got Nixon. Any one want to fantasize about the SCOTUS nominees that 8 years of old Hubert would have given us???? . Going down in flames doesn’t help anyone. You have to live to fight another day even if that means taking only a small step now. It does’t lend itself to soaring rhetoric but sometimes that is the best you can do.
shomi: Don’t you have old tv shows to watch?
Maybe it’s that you seem to constantly write like a berniebot, that the world will come to an end if Clinton is elected. In this comment you write, “I am doing my level best to fantasize scenarios where electing Hillary wouldn’t be horrible.” This probably doesn’t enlist supporters for you from those that prefer Clinton over Sanders. You seem to have bought every piece of conservative bullshit of the last 30 yrs. So the pushback may not be all that uninvited, even if you don’t think it is.
Now I will say that both Clinton and Sanders are not ideal candidates, but they are who we have and as I believe you have stated both are so far ahead of any of the conservative candidates that there is no choice but to elect them. In my decades of voting they are both actually pretty decent candidates but it is still not all that difficult to have a favorite between them. Just remember, it HAS to be one of them in Nov. Any other choice will be a disaster. So why not at least not inflame those endorsing not your choice? Work for your choice but by giving their positives rather than a negative campaign. We need those that lose the nomination to stay in our camp and vote.
@D58826: I would rather speculate on how GOOD a Hillary presidency might (repeat, might!) be, for practice.
One thing about it, if we intend to turn her toward our way of thinking and away from the circles she’s been moving in for decades (as they ALL do, with Bernie stubbornly being the exception), we cannot do it by being poo-flinging monkeys. We gotta show positive things for her to emulate, which she can do more cautiously. I see some evidence of that but the proof will be when/if she’s in the White House, trying to win re-election.
Which will begin immediately, so let’s keep our messages real clear. No more NAFTA. It seemed right at the time, but it failed the country even as it made a few well-connected people wealthy. She has GOT to do better than the Republicans at siding with the electorate, and backing it up. Seems possible.
@SFAW: It’s bugs me “to”.
Steve in the ATL
@O. Felix Culpa:
There is no shortage of pedants here. If we aren’t enough for you, LGM is even worse. Or better, depending on your predilection.
@D58826: 1968 was the tail end of a long, long period of Democratic control: ‘Camelot’, even. It was the initial wave of a right-wing swing that only began with Nixon and persisted through Reagan. Right now it’s the opposite: while Obama’s been amazing, in practical terms Republicans have continued to hold the country, as they’ve done since Reagan.
Just as 1968 (my birth year!) was the signal for a decades-long swing to the right, so 2016 can and will be the signal for a decades-long swing to the left. For fuck’s sake, we’re pretty close to running an old avowed Socialist for President, and many polls suggest he has a better shot at winning. Rightwing conservatism has shot its bolt for now, because evidence of what it does when too extreme is all around us, too recent to ignore.
RE: It’s vs Its
@Ruckus: I’m more interested in macroeconomics than anything else: if you want me to warm to Clinton, remind me of social justice, racial justice, these things that might be helped by economic recovery but really need stronger leadership than Bernie provides for them.
Anytime I’m really taking a dark tone about Hillary, it’s almost certainly because I think she’s too insulated from people’s lived experience in 2016, and it’s almost certainly about economic issues. Or it’s the honesty thing and I don’t see that as so horrible an accusation: practically nobody in politics is the least bit honest, Clinton is possibly more honest than Trump for all his posturing and way more honest than anybody else save Bernie, for whom that is a fault as much as it is a virtue (if he had a bit more ‘pander’ in him, he wouldn’t alienate people like he does).
I wish I spoke for more people in that: I see a lot of them acting like people accuse ME of acting, making her out to be some tyrant schemer. She’s just a working American politician. They all do stuff that’s awkward to explain.
I let pass, upthread, a bunch of talk about how Bernie wouldn’t explain his vote not to close Gitmo. Of course he lives to explain at length, and did explain all those things, and the deal with Gitmo was they were gonna move it onto US soil and not change a thing. Dealbreaker right there. But people will call that ‘voted not to close Gitmo’. You always have to deal with crap like that if you’re in politics.
@Applejinx: No more NAFTA. It seemed right at the time, but it failed the country even as it made a few well-connected people wealthy.
@Applejinx: Yep it is rather amazing that
has gotten has far along as he has. Almost as amazing as that AA guy with the funny name living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave right now.
Kevin Drum is a clueless dipshit who needs to STFU, part eleventy-three.
/with all due respect
@dmsilev: It would be the Turd Whirled War…
@Applejinx: If you want to do something to actually change the path of the country, you start forming the Tea Party of the Left–right now.
This party will
a) Protest the President’s actions in a loud obnoxious way, garnering media attention and attracting fellow travelers
b) Threaten Democratic incumbents in “safe” districts with well-funded primary challenges from the left
c) Be the LOUDEST voice in the room on a few pet issues by flooding Congresscritters with letters, emails, phonecalls, salt bags, you name it!
That’s really it. That’s enough.
We don’t need occupations of public spaces. We don’t need meaningless interruptions at public events. We need strategies that actually threaten our politician’s ability to win re-election. That is why the Tea Party has been successful and BLM and Occupy haven’t.
Get IN the tent, and then make a LOT of noise. That’s the way to make progress in the U.S.A.
@D58826: A quick overview of the lessons of four Presidential elections applied to the Sanders campaign:
The morals I draw from the above thumbnail history:
My heart is with Sanders & “democratic socialism”–but my vote is going to Clinton. Among other things, the “Democratic socialist wing” of the Democratic Party has no bench. IMHO Bernie needed to have started preparing for this run by laying some electoral infrastructure in place at least 5 years back. As it is, the closer he comes to winning the nomination, winning the Presidency, & ultimately disappointing everyone who wants their personal pink socialist unicorn yesterday (I don’t blame the young’uns–I’m looking at the Bolshevik Babies of 1950, the old farts who ought to know better leading them off the cliff) the nearer he gets to wrecking the brand for another generation–after which it will be far too late. YMMV.
No One You Know
@SFAW: I believe it’s correct.