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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: Counting Down (Way, Way Down)

Open Thread: Counting Down (Way, Way Down)

by Anne Laurie|  March 1, 20165:48 pm| 144 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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Trump combines Long's cutthroat populism, Wallace's angry racism & McCarthy's flippant approach to truth. He's basically Demagogue Voltron.

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) February 27, 2016

"I plan to support the nominee," says Speaker Ryan, after obliquely denouncing Trump for not denouncing the KKK. Fun times for GOP electeds.

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) March 1, 2016

Anyway, Trump will probably be the GOP nominee and possibly become President. No joke. If you care either way about this, you should vote.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 29, 2016

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One of the only two “functional” political parties we Americans permit ourselves…

Anything else going on, this evening?

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  1. 1.

    sinnedbackwards

    March 1, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    If Trump is Coyote’s way of having us take back forty or more seats in the House, that’s fine.

  2. 2.

    Miss Bianca

    March 1, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    Just two more hours till caucus time! Would it be gauche to say I’m looking forward to it?

  3. 3.

    Nate Dawg

    March 1, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    I would caucus if I knew which one that cutie from MSNBC would be stationed at.

    *rawr*

  4. 4.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Having watched California recall a sitting governor and install a human-size action figure in a grand Republican-orchestrated putsch, I won’t count out the Trumpmobile continuing its odd journey. Interesting parallel is the Republicans had as much control over Arnold as they do over Trump, only Arnold isn’t a born-and-raised fulltime douche. He’s only part douche.

  5. 5.

    Sad_Dem

    March 1, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    If chickens were lies, how many would be coming home to roost about now?

  6. 6.

    Larime

    March 1, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    Trump Demagogue Voltron: And I’ll form the ass!

  7. 7.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 1, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    Nate finally comes around to admitting that this is a possibility.

  8. 8.

    Miss Bianca

    March 1, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    Who, Rachel Maddow? : )

  9. 9.

    ? Martin

    March 1, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    CNN: “More than half of GOP voters in most Southern Super Tuesday states said they feel betrayed by their party.”

    Wow.

  10. 10.

    donnah

    March 1, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    So, this has all played out to the point where Trump could actually become the Republican nominee. I think I would find a lot of people like myself who thought this was impossible.

    Can it really happen that we will have Trump vs Clinton?! My friends in Canada think this country has gone completely batshit crazy, and now I’m afraid they’re right.

    This can’t be real, can it?

  11. 11.

    dmsilev

    March 1, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @? Martin: I assume we can count this as seceding from the party?

  12. 12.

    ? Martin

    March 1, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Funny. I’m pretty sure he’s referring to Luke Russert.

  13. 13.

    ? Martin

    March 1, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @dmsilev: We should be so lucky.

  14. 14.

    dmsilev

    March 1, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @donnah:

    Can it really happen that we will have Trump vs Clinton?!

    That looks like the way to bet right now. Trump is almost definitely the nominee, unless the GOP decides to play games with the convention rules and so forth (in which case, Trump burns the place down. Call it Gooperdammerung). Clinton is definitely the favorite, though how strong of a statement that is depends on how today comes out. If she gets a net advantage of 100-150 delegates, that’s going to be pretty hard for Sanders to overcome over the next few months.

  15. 15.

    dedc79

    March 1, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Yeah, his transition from exposing conventional wisdom to be nonsense in ’08 and ’12 to spouting conventional wisdom of his own in ’16 has been alarming.

  16. 16.

    jl

    March 1, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @trollhattan: Arnold was stupid enough to at least try to propose real and credible policies. So the GOP establishment didn’t like him much, and the CA GOP hated his guts.

    I mean, the fool flew in a bunch of YOORPEAN experts to run a conference on setting up a healthcare reform for California.

    And gym rats tell me that Arnold is a legitimate serious expert on weight training and wrote some very good manuals on it back in the day.

    Arnold was a semi-douche who was smart enough to understand and try to implement some good policies that he was willing to only semi-douche up. For the GOP, in short, Arnold was a noxious fool and loser.

    Edit: Poor Arnold, he could have gone Trump, but wouldn’t go there for some reason.

  17. 17.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    There is an article on Huffington Post saying that Debbie Wasserman Schultz has joined Republicans in submitting a bill that would but regulations on payday lenders. Sorry I can’t link on my tablet. If this is true, she has got to go.

  18. 18.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 1, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    Greg Sargent ‏@ ThePlumLineGS 3h3 hours ago
    Greg Sargent Retweeted Greg Sargent
    Look carefully at Ryan’s remarks and they clearly contain seeds of argument for taking nom from Trump.

    and give it to…. Paul Ryan? Willard? I’m sure this sounds like a brilliant idea to the poobahs and grandees, but they’ve got to realize that would mean Trump spends the entire campaign season concentrating his bile and bluster on the Republicans and encouraging his people to write him. I think even without that, Clinton could paste either Ayn Rand’s Son by Another Mother or the Willardbot.

  19. 19.

    jl

    March 1, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    @trollhattan: Also, you are implying that HRC and Sanders are both worse personalities and politicians than Gray Davis, which is kind of insulting and I think you owe them an apology.

  20. 20.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    March 1, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @? Martin: Ha! Took ’em long enough, the morons.

    Sorry — no sympathy. That’s what happens when they’re stupid enough to repeatedly vote against their own interests. They get their two minutes of hate during convention speeches, then they’re robbed blind for the next four years, rinse, repeat. And they resent the rest of us for trying to point it out.

    (I know Hillary has this locked up, so I couldn’t resist voting for Bernie, only because this will probably be the only time in my life that I get to cast a vote for a democratic socialist, unless I wake up tomorrow inexplicably Danish.)

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    March 1, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @Mary G: Did you maybe mean cut or gut payday loan regulations?

  22. 22.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @jl:
    The tell for me that something was going Out of Control for California Republicans was when their calls for eliminating the Constitution’s “natural born Citizen” provision went silent. Could have been around the time he shared his climate-change views, or the sales-tax hike proposal, or Maria…who knows.

    Shortest. Honeymoon. Ever. Even if they did get him reelected.

  23. 23.

    MattF

    March 1, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    @jl: Maybe “Tomorrow Belongs To Me” made him… uncomfortable.

  24. 24.

    Patricia Kayden

    March 1, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Trump is going to get splattered by either Democratic Candidate so GO TRUMP!!

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/

  25. 25.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @jl:
    Heh, I’m not saying..

    In my heart-of-hearts I’d LOVE to watch Trump and Bernie debateyell at each other. Bernie fears no New Yorker.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    March 1, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Greg Sargent Retweeted Greg Sargent

    That’s a little sad.

  27. 27.

    srv

    March 1, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Trump will probably be

    Possibility? He’s all-in now.

    Trump probably knows baseball better than Nate too:

    These days, Donald Trump is known more as a presidential candidate and reality TV personality, but back in the 1960s, he was something of a talented ball player — one good enough, it seems, to be scouted by our very own Phillies.
    …
    Interestingly, this isn’t the first pro baseball Trump scouting report to come about since Trump began his bid for president. The Boston Red Sox also reportedly looked at Trump as an option in 1964, his graduating year.

  28. 28.

    Brachiator

    March 1, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Hope you have a good time and it’s not too crazy.

    I don’t think I would have the patience for a caucus.

  29. 29.

    tsquared2001

    March 1, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @Sad_Dem: All of them, Katie

  30. 30.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Politico has a countdown clock saying the first polls close in 28 minutes. Anyone have a list of which states close at which time?

  31. 31.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ugh, my hands are totally not working.

  32. 32.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    FWIW BBC has front-paged John Oliver’s #MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain campaign. This thing might get legs.

  33. 33.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @Nate Dawg: Are we going to have to get the fire hose for you?

  34. 34.

    Scotian

    March 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    Demagogue Voltron…ROFLMAO!!!!

    Seriously, I was literally laughing so hard it brought tears to my eyes and left me breathless. Larime’s additional comment to it restarted it. Seriously though, perhaps we should rename demagogue Voltron as simply ReVoltron, because man, is Trump ever revolting!

  35. 35.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Mike J: Found the map on the Times.

    Vermont, Virginia, Georgia close at 4PST
    Tennessee, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Mass close at 5PST
    Arkansas at 5:30PST
    Colorado, Minnesota 6PST
    Alaska 9PST

  36. 36.

    Anoniminous

    March 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Mary G:

    Here’s
    the scoop. An insight into the next 8 years.

  37. 37.

    Applejinx

    March 1, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    I voted AND have relaunched my video game on Steam Greenlight! :D

    Any gamers in this crowd, please help. If I had money I might be less frightened of Hillary! ;)

    eek no don’t throw shoes and rocks…

    (just tryin’ to earn a honest living)

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @jl: Because conservatives in/from Austria would be straddling center/just left of center here. It shows how far the center in the US is skewed to the right in comparison to everywhere else that isn’t a theocracy or military dictatorship or civilian dictatorship.

  39. 39.

    brendancalling

    March 1, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    Apart from Super Tuesday, I’m in dadlife, making gumbo, hanging out with my girl after my kid goes to bed, and drinking beers and smoking up.

    Also, I showed the boychild Oliver’s video, which he thought was hilarious, and we have begun coming up with definitions for the word “drumpf”, most of them scatological.

    For instance, it’s the sound of a poop dropping into the toilet and causing backsplash and dismay. DRUMPF.
    It is also the sound the toilet makes after you plunge down a clog. DRUMPF.

  40. 40.

    Brachiator

    March 1, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Nate finally comes around to admitting that this is a possibility.

    A blatant attempt to regain credibility. It’s almost sad.

  41. 41.

    brendancalling

    March 1, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @? Martin:

    GOOD. I hope the fuckheads stay home.

  42. 42.

    hedgehog the occasional commenter

    March 1, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    Headed to caucus when I get off work (waves to TaMara from not-quite-as-red-as-it-used-to-be South Jefferson County, Colorado).

  43. 43.

    Mary G

    March 1, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ugh, my hands are totally not working. Gut. The finance review board established by Elizabeth Warren couldn’t issue regulations for two more years, and when they do, they are to be overruled by state law. Florida apparently has some fig leaf law that has done nothing to resolve the problem. The average customer has nine payday loans, each bigger than the last as they are given a new loan when they can’t pay the old one. So DWS is in the bag for these scrum. Evidently they donate a lot to her campaigns.

  44. 44.

    srv

    March 1, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Let me just remind all the olds that Voltron was a good guy.

  45. 45.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Rooting hard for injuries on the GOP side tonight. My dream would be that Rubio finishes under 20% in a lot of places and gets shut out. Oh, and for Trump to win everything.

  46. 46.

    Anoniminous

    March 1, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Doing a contrast/compare of US and EU parties is just about pointless.

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @Mike J: Only one of those states is in the Pacific Time Zone. What are you trying to pull?

  48. 48.

    debbie

    March 1, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @Mary G:

    I believe this is your link.

  49. 49.

    bystander

    March 1, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    Saw a great video of Marco Rubio mocking Trump for spelling choker in a tweet C-H-O-K-E-R. Rubio kept pronouncing Trump’s spelling as “chocker”. Now, is it any wonder the man has no concept of math and how numbers work?

    Never was clear if Trump was referring to Rubio’s freeze ups or the sounds he makes when Obummer is cramming executive orders down his throat.

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @Anoniminous: I wasn’t suggesting that, I was suggesting where the center is/is considered to be.

  51. 51.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: My cousin’s dentist in Italy is an actual fascist. On many issues he is to the left of mainstream Republicans here. In many respects, we are a far-right country with a veneer of social liberalism in the more populated states.

  52. 52.

    gf120581

    March 1, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @bystander: Some made the mistake of downloading the Quayle program into the Rubot.

  53. 53.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    @beltane: Is he a fascist as in Mussolini fascist or is he a corporatist, which is also a type of fascism.

  54. 54.

    Tom Levenson

    March 1, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: “Inexplicably Danish” is a splendiferous band name.

  55. 55.

    Brachiator

    March 1, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It shows how far the center in the US is skewed to the right in comparison to everywhere else that isn’t a theocracy or military dictatorship or civilian dictatorship.

    The US is not much different in political ideology than the UK currently or Canada under Harper.

    Individual states in the US skew more to the right than the national government.

  56. 56.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    Ugh, watching CNN and listening to Jake Tapper’s unbearable whining voice. Once a tool, always a tool.

  57. 57.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Only one of those states is in the Pacific Time Zone. What are you trying to pull?

    I live in the Pacific time zone and wanted to know what time polls closed. Those are the times. Feel free to translate them to GMT or whatever floats your boat.

  58. 58.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    March 1, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Thank you. I have to admit, I believe those two words made the entire comment worth it.

  59. 59.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @Mike J: My fault, should’ve used the sarc slashes.

  60. 60.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m not 100% sure, but I believe he is an old-school Mussolini fascist (they still have them there). My cousin says he is a very good dentist; otherwise he would not put up with listening to his crap.

  61. 61.

    danielx

    March 1, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    He’s basically Demagogue Voltron.

    Today’s Win for the intertubes.

  62. 62.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    Home from work. Pjs on. Dinner ordered. Beer cracked open. I’m ready for the shit show to start.

  63. 63.

    WereBear

    March 1, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    Cannot watch. Drains my life force.

    Mr WereBear has promised to put it off as long as possible. Looking for a riveting read right now.

  64. 64.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    “Inexplicably Danish” is a splendiferous band name

    It would be better if there wasn’t a successful in a small way band in the 90’s called Mary’s Danish. Swap in a different Scandinavian demonym and it would work better.

  65. 65.

    eemom

    March 1, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    wrt Nate Silver, yes, he sure did let the big time emmessemm gigs go to his erstwhile endearing, if pointy, little head, and now he’s an insufferably arrogant prick like all the rest of them. Sad.

    If I had the energy I’d dig up the lengthy piece he published around August or September, titled something like “750 Reasons There’s a 100% Chance Trump Is Gonna Be Toast”. Sure looks stoopid now.

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @beltane: They have them everywhere. My next door neighbor for instance…

  67. 67.

    Patricia Kayden

    March 1, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @donnah: It’s very real and we will have Trump versus Clinton. I cannot imagine how much further down Republicans can fall after they’ve selected someone as inexperienced and bigoted as Trump to run as President.

    Trump has zero experience to qualify as the President of the most powerful country in the world. What the hell happened to that autopsy that Republicans did after 2012? I thought the aim of that autopsy was to figure out what went wrong in 2012 and fix it so they could stand a chance of winning in 2016.

    Ha!

  68. 68.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @LAO: Did the connection work out for you?

  69. 69.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @LAO: I totally forgot to have beer for the occasion. I only have big bottles, so I will be keeping it dry as I have zero interest in getting shitfaced on a Tuesday night.

  70. 70.

    HinTN

    March 1, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @beltane: I’d say that’s about right. Dead Red Tennessee don’t even try to sugar coat it.

  71. 71.

    jl

    March 1, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I prefer that all of them do well enough to stay in, and all of them continue to play with increasingly bizarre, untreatable and incapacitating political injuries.

  72. 72.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: yes. I’m hopeful he will be able to give me some insight into the 11th circuit, even though he does not practice criminal defense.

  73. 73.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    @PsiFighter37: You don’t have to drink it all. Pouring it down the drain is the type of prodigious waste that befits the yuuge and classy victories of Donald Trump.

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    @beltane:
    My family dentist was in the German military in WWII, but everybody was too polite to ask for details. Had a stunning wife-assistant and was always tan, a Seattle oddity explained by frequent Hawaii vacations (back when flying was still rather exotic). Impeccable work but holy hell that drill was fvcking dull.

  75. 75.

    eclare

    March 1, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    @HinTN: I hear ya. Luckily I am in the blue oasis that is Memphis.

  76. 76.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    @PsiFighter37: there in lies the difference between you and I. Lol. Just open a giant bottle of arrogant bastard ale, which seemed appropriate for the occasion.

  77. 77.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @beltane: If it was Budweiser, I would have no problem with that.

    First projections: Clinton wins GA and VA, Bernie winds VT. Yawn.

    GOP side – looks like Trump will win GA, but unfortunately both Ted and Marco are above 20%. Virginia looks like it might be a squeaker between Trump and Marco, sadly. VT – are there even any Republicans there to vote?

  78. 78.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    March 1, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @Mike J: “Inexplicably Norwegian” is too long. And I actually have Swedish ancestry, so it wouldn’t be entirely inexplicable. I think it needs to be Danish.

    Not to worry, though. Nobody would confuse my hypothetical band with Mary’s Danish. Mary’s Danish were good, which is more than anyone could say about any band I was ever in — no reason to think this one would be any better.

  79. 79.

    PsiFighter37

    March 1, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    @LAO: I wish I had one! One of my favorite beers.

    The only one I would bother cracking open is one of my GoT beers, but I won’t do it. Planning on working out once they have the 8 PM results in.

  80. 80.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    @PsiFighter37: god bless you. I’m in for the night.

  81. 81.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Kasich is leading in VT currently. He advertised heavily here and I actually had a live person from his campaign call my house. At the polling place this morning, not too many people were taking Republican ballots though.

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @Mike J:

    Poll closing times.

    Also, an answer to your question about the WSJ article.

  83. 83.

    Brachiator

    March 1, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Having watched California recall a sitting governor and install a human-size action figure in a grand Republican-orchestrated putsch, I won’t count out the Trumpmobile continuing its odd journey. Interesting parallel is the Republicans had as much control over Arnold as they do over Trump

    Yeah, some good parallels here. Darrell Issa thought that he would benefit from the recall, only to be … trumped … by Arnold. Ted Cruz thought that he was in control of the revolt against establishment Republicans until Trump came along and snatched victory from him.

    In California, Arnold alienated the Republicans (didn’t he appoint a chief of staff who was a Democrat) by trying to be too independent. He ended up trying to run to the people to get ballot initiatives when he could not get co-operation from either the Democrats or the Republicans in the state legislature.

    If Trump becomes president, the Republican Congress can obstruct him much like they obstructed Obama. And the Democrats won’t owe Trump any favors. It could be California on a national level, with not much getting done.

    Unfortunately, inept Trump foreign policy could be a world wide disaster.

  84. 84.

    Ked

    March 1, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    Sadly I’m stuck mixing cheapcheap beer and cola tonight. When it works it’s sort of a beer float vibe.

    …you don’t want to be drinking this beer straight. I’m too embarrassed to name it.

  85. 85.

    Mike J

    March 1, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @eclare:

    Luckily I am in the blue oasis that is Memphis.

    Used to be only inside the parkways. I suppose the burbs probably absorbed outside the parkways/inside the city people.

  86. 86.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @LAO: Good, glad to read it.

  87. 87.

    Peale

    March 1, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @Anoniminous: Data compiled by the nonpartisan Pew Charitable Trusts is similarly dismal. A typical Florida payday loan customer ends up taking out nine payday loans a year and is stuck in debt for nearly half of that year, according to Pew. The average interest rate on Florida’s payday loans is 304 percent — only slightly better than the 390 percent annual average. Critically, the average payday loan amount of $389 is equal to 35 percent of average paychecks in the state — in line with national figures.

    “That’s one of the keys to understanding why Florida’s law has not protected consumers,” says Alex Horowitz, senior research officer at Pew. “Very few borrowers can afford to sacrifice one-third of their paycheck and still cover their expenses.”

    There are a host of alternatives to the Florida law. In Colorado, consumers already pay 60 percent less for a payday loan than they do in Florida, according to Pew, and the payday industry continues to thrive. A well-structured CFPB rule could enable even cheaper small loan alternatives from small banks to replace the payday lender business model.

    Dsw really isn’t worth keeping and the longer she stays the more likely I will be to vote for Trump.**

    **Ok I won’t be doing that. But she is seriously bad to have as chair. It’s one thing to have a congress representative that’s in the pocket of his or her provincial interests. That’s been the nature of the system forever. But if we’re going to do that, we might be better off going with a politician captured by an industry whose interests are tolerable.

  88. 88.

    HinTN

    March 1, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @eclare: Al Gore, not that he was ever a flaming liberal, used to be my Congresscritter. Now I’ve got the adulterous, abortion recommending (insisting) but decrying bullet headed MD. Gag me with a spoon.

  89. 89.

    jl

    March 1, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    @Brachiator:

    ” It could be California on a national level, with not much getting done. ”

    I think Arnold has far more brains and (Edit: public) scruples than Drumpf. And Drumpf cannot even attempt popular referenda. So, could be a far bigger and more dangerous mess.

    Edit: Arnold’s private scruples are down below Big Dawg level. He had an affair with his housekeeper and apparently the resulting child was living with Arnold’s wife and kids for years in a kind of parallel family universe.

  90. 90.

    eclare

    March 1, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @Mike J: I’m inside the Parkway. Extreme suburbs, Gtown, Collierville, do vote R. But just heard from a friend of mine at White Station precinct, line out the door. And she voted HRC. And my R mom has said she will vote HRC in November.

  91. 91.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @bystander:

    I believe that Trump originally did spell it chocker and then went back and edited the tweets. Sample screen capture here. From this image, it looks like a fat-fingered short-fingered typo, not a “deliberate” misspelling. But there were other tweets with the same misspelling. Anyway, a nothingburger issue, and it’s not going to get Rubio the crucial pedant vote.

  92. 92.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @LAO:
    One with the padlock on top? Always cracks me up when I see those.

    Beer’s surprisingly good, even though I Am Not Worthy of it.

  93. 93.

    trollhattan

    March 1, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    @jl:
    Arnold certainly brought over the European sensibility on such things (the mistress et al.). He may not be French but Austria isn’t all that far away.

    Thing is, why the housekeeper for god’s sake?

  94. 94.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @trollhattan: for medical reasons I can’t drink wine (that’s my story and I’m sticking to it) so when I have friends over, they bring my the strangest brews they can find. It’s not bad. I will be drunk, if I finish the whole
    bottle though. Would probably improve my commenting.

  95. 95.

    Technocrat

    March 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @Applejinx:

    Gave you a thumbs-up on Steam! If you get Greenlit, I’ll pick up a copy.

  96. 96.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @Mike J:

    Luckily I am in the blue oasis that is Memphis.

    Used to be only inside the parkways. I suppose the burbs probably absorbed outside the parkways/inside the city people.

    I grew up across the street from the Overton Park golf course. My parents were the only democrats on our street. Always had signs up for their friends John Spence and Jim Sasser, and got visits from Al Gore.

  97. 97.

    Redshift

    March 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    What the hell happened to that autopsy that Republicans did after 2012? I thought the aim of that autopsy was to figure out what went wrong in 2012 and fix it so they could stand a chance of winning in 2016.

    Same as always – reality conflicted with their ideology, so they decided reality must be wrong.

  98. 98.

    Cacti

    March 1, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    Delegate hauls for the Dem candidates so far:

    Clinton 108
    Sanders 57

  99. 99.

    Brachiator

    March 1, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    First projections: Clinton wins GA and VA, Bernie winds VT.

    I think once I get home from work, I will try to avoid all the projections and results and let it all wash over me on Wednesday.

    The next thing to look forward to will be the cage match of the next GOP debate on Thursday. If Little Marco and the Terrible Cruz fight for second place in various primaries, their last ditch effort to supplant Trump will be fun to watch.

  100. 100.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 1, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: None of those states are in the Pacific time zone, Mike J is just compensating for the east coast bias.

  101. 101.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Thing is, why the housekeeper for god’s sake?

    Because she was convenient. Obligatory Mel Brooks.

  102. 102.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @Brachiator: wait, what? There’s another debate Thursday? How did I miss this? I feel like an uninformed trump supporter.

  103. 103.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I did not realize AK was not in the Pacific Time Zone. I have updated my files.

  104. 104.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @LAO: Post Super Tuesday, pre Florida.

  105. 105.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Son #2 voted for the first time today. I think he even stuck around for part of town meeting.

  106. 106.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    Which network is hosting the next Republican debate? I was not pleased with CNN.

  107. 107.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    Rubio doing better than i expected in Virginia

  108. 108.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @beltane: that’s awesome. Congratulations to him.

  109. 109.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @LAO: He even attended an anti-Trump protest back in January. He is a good kid.

  110. 110.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @beltane: Its Fox. 9-11 PM EST.

    Here’s the link to all the GOP debates:
    http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-republican-primary-debate-schedule/

  111. 111.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @LAO: scratch that. Apparently the experts thought he’d win. Going to quietly sit back and stop commenting. But keep drinking.

  112. 112.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks, Adam. I will make sure to buy a bottle of cheap wine for my viewing pleasure.

  113. 113.

    eclare

    March 1, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @HinTN: FSM, how do you put up with it? He is truly vile, a dr. who takes advantage of his patients.

  114. 114.

    LAO

    March 1, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @beltane: breaking my just made stop commenting pledge to say, you should be proud and clearly you are a good parent!

  115. 115.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @beltane: Apparently Dr. Carson has called for a meeting of all the candidates before the debate. The best link (relatively speaking) is Politico (I’m not linking to the Washington Times or Free Republic…):
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/ben-carson-gop-meeting-debates-220050

    Apparently he wants to discuss the lack of civility before they debate. My guess is that all the shouting and arguing is interrupting his sleep.

  116. 116.

    prob50

    March 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @jl:

    Poor Arnold, he could have gone Trump, but wouldn’t go there for some reason.

    He lacked Trump’s American know-it-all-how and stink-to-it-tiv-ness.

  117. 117.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @beltane:

    It’s Fox. Added bonus: Megyn Kelly in a steel-cage rematch with Trump! And nitro funny cars!

    Okay, no nitro funny cars. But I would love to see a GOP debate ad done in that style.

  118. 118.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @Steeplejack: I’m up for a five man cage match!

  119. 119.

    eclare

    March 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @Steeplejack: Grease them up and put them in the octagon!

  120. 120.

    Brachiator

    March 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @jl: RE: ” It could be California on a national level, with not much getting done. ”

    I think Arnold has far more brains and (Edit: public) scruples than Drumpf. And Drumpf cannot even attempt popular referenda. So, could be a far bigger and more dangerous mess.

    You might be right here. This is why I think the Congress would move to more actively check a [shudder] President Trump with respect to domestic policy. They would also try to contain him with respect to foreign policy, but Trump could blunder into disaster before something could be done.

    ETA: I can’t believe that I am seriously considering the prospects of a President Trump.

  121. 121.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’d pay to see Trump put a figure-four leg lock on Cruz and then let Christie tap in to finish Rubio with a Texas cloverleaf. (Christie not a debate participant but in true WWF fashion comes down the aisle out of nowhere and gets involved anyway.)

  122. 122.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    What the hell happened to that autopsy that Republicans did after 2012?

    It came back with two answers: ‘be less racist’ and ‘make sure your political consultants are not grifters.’

    Republicans like Rand Paul launched a new wave of minority outreach that consisted of telling blacks that they were better off as slaves, and Hispanics that Democrats were pandering to them by proposing immigration reform, and that guy talking about cantaloupe calves wasn’t really insulting them.

    A score of billionaire lunatics swore that they would not be taken in by grifters again. Karl Rove assured them he’d studied Obama’s computer system success, so they just needed to back up more Brinks trucks full of cash, and he would get them a greater return rate than his zero wins last time. They agreed.

  123. 123.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @eclare:

    Whoa, now you’re getting into unseemly visuals. Let me get some brain bleach on standby.

  124. 124.

    beltane

    March 1, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @Steeplejack: Oh, yes. Christie can be sitting in the audience and then rush the stage, folding chair in hand.

  125. 125.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @Steeplejack: the problem is I’m not sure there’s any baby faces in that line up. They’re all heels.

  126. 126.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    No problem. I think the GOP electorate is sufficiently enraged this year that they would go for an all-heel match. Talk about rooting for injuries.

  127. 127.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @beltane:

    Folding chair is a given. Wondering if Christie in a lucha mask would be too much.

  128. 128.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Steeplejack: @Steeplejack: Tables, ladders, and chairs!!!!

    Also, barbed wire and thumbtacks. And flaming ring ropes! Coffin match, perhaps?

    I’ve been watching Lucha Underground on El Rey Network. Its the only professional wrestling I’m watching these days.

  129. 129.

    SFAW

    March 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    That ad makes me want to take a trip to R-r-r-r-r-raceway Park in Englishtown, New Jersey!

    Well, not really. Unless Don Garlits was racing.

  130. 130.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 1, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I’d pay to see Trump put a figure-four leg lock on Cruz and then let Christie tap in to finish Rubio with a Texas cloverleaf.

    Trump’s nomination acceptance speech will be The Aristocrats.

  131. 131.

    SFAW

    March 1, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    Don’t be a hater.

  132. 132.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 1, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @LAO: an uninformed trump supporter.

    Oooh. Calling the Department of Redundancy Department.

  133. 133.

    SFAW

    March 1, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Trump’s nomination acceptance speech will be The Aristocrats.

    Bless you, child

  134. 134.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 1, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    Massachusetts is as tight as a drum. I think that’s great, for both candidates campaigns. Both candidates will have to work on their appeals to their demographic weakness, and everyone not a racist moron for Trump wins in the general.

  135. 135.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    March 1, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @SFAW:

    When I was a kid it was some raceway in New Braunfels that advertised on the big San Antonio AM stations. Loved those reverb-laden techno-gibberish ads. Always had a surf guitar thing in the background (mid-’60s).

  136. 136.

    yet another jeff

    March 1, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    Demagogue Voltron…a great name for a band, or a craft beer.

  137. 137.

    yet another jeff

    March 1, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):
    Same, but from the Dallas stations, and in the 80s…although I did do some some summer camp counseling in New Braunfels…

    “You can pay for the whole seat, but you’ll only need the eeeeeddddddddgggggggeeee!!!!”

  138. 138.

    frosty fka Bro Shotgun etc etc

    March 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @WereBear:

    Looking for a riveting read right now.

    If you like sci-fi (not fantasy) try Rachel Bach “Fortune’s Pawn”. The Expanse series is also not-put-downable. If you lean towards fantasy (swords and sorcerers) try Joe Abercrombie. The names of the books escape me.

  139. 139.

    yet another jeff

    March 1, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    I like to use two scales…band name and/or craft beer name. Inexplicably Danish works for both.

  140. 140.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m always on El Rey for my classic kung fu movies. I’ve watched some Lucha Underground.

    My youngest brother was an avid pro wrestling fan as a little kid. The problem was that when we were rough-housing he would do those moves for real. Even a 7-year-old coming off the post (couch) with a flying body slam can do you some damage.

  141. 141.

    Steeplejack

    March 1, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @yet another jeff:

    “You can pay for the whole seat, but you’ll only need the eeeeeddddddddgggggggeeee!!!!”

    LOL. Yeah, I remember stuff like that. Other bits and pieces are coming back. “Short stocks! Super stocks! Hemis! Don Garlits* and the Eliminator! Nitro funny cars! Ed ‘Big Daddy’ Roth and the Rat Fink! Saturday night in New Braunfels! Be there!” Budda-budda-budda surf guitar.

    It always killed me that they just repeatedly yelled “New Braunfels!,” like if you got there you would automatically know where to go. Maybe you would. Probably you would.

    * Probably not him, but I can’t remember any other names.

  142. 142.

    Paul in KY

    March 2, 2016 at 8:46 am

    @jl: Arnold did seem to realize he was governating in Cali & could only be so whackadoodle.

  143. 143.

    Paul in KY

    March 2, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @trollhattan: Jah, I trained unter herr Doktor Menegele…

  144. 144.

    The Gray Adder

    March 2, 2016 at 9:17 am

    @sinnedbackwards: And the half dozen Senate seats we lost in ’10. And then Mitch will wish he took the deal on SCOTUS.

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