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Balloon Juice Bunker Standoff: Superseding Indictments Edition

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Earlier today the US Attorney’s Office in Oregon issued superseding indictments for the 25 individuals that they had previously indicted in the occupation Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Today’s superseding indictment includes charges of damaging part of the refuge, specifically an archeological site sacred to the Burns Paiute Tribe. Also of interest is that there is a 26th name on this superseding indictment, however, it is currently redacted (blacked out). The superseding indictment can be found here or at the bottom of the post below the fold.

In other Bundy news, Ryan Bundy has informed the court that he will be representing himself. And a Federal Magistrate in Utah has ordered that David Bundy remain in custody and be transferred to Nevada where he has been indicted. Also, Jerry DeLemus has been denied bail and will also remain in custody. There is no word on when he will be transferred to Nevada.

As announced yesterday, Jeannette Finicum held a press conference regarding her husband’s death earlier today. As expected Mrs. Finicum announced she intends to sue.

Finally, in regards to the ongoing investigation into the shooting of LaVoy Finicum, the DOJ Office of the Inspector General released a statement today.

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Oregon Public Broadcasting also has an interesting slideshow of some of the evidence that was evaluated in the Deschutes County Sheriff’s Office Major Incident Team’s investigation. These include not only diagrams, but the photo’s of LaVoy Finicum’s truck where it is clear that only four bullets impacted the vehicle: the three fired by the Oregon State Police and the one fired by the FBI HRT team member.

Finally, the written transcript of yesterday’s press conference has been posted on the Deschutes County Sheriff’s website.

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The full superseding indictment is below the fold:

Reader Interactions

122Comments

  1. 1.

    Anoniminous

    Bundy will be representing himself. That’s cool. Tack another 20 years on the most likely sentence. With any amount of luck he’ll talk himself into a noose.

  4. 4.

    Wag

    “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice “.

    Lock me up and throw away the key. Justice will be served.

  6. 6.

    Origuy

    In other Bundy news, Ryan Bundy has informed the court that he will be representing himself.

    Oh, that’s going to work out well!

  9. 9.

    schrodinger's cat

    Where is the Balloon Juice bunker? Is the standoff between JC in a bathrobe armed with a mop and Steve, Rosie and Lily? With Tunch guiding their actions from the great beyond? Not satisfied with the mustard and Subaru, they demand more…

  11. 11.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: I see you completed your on line, correspondence course for Electrocution School.

  20. 20.

    Nutella

    Uh, La Voy’s teenage daughter who will now run the family ranch is named Tean Bundy Finicum. At least I assume Bundy is her middle name rather than her married name!

  23. 23.

    Jim Kakalios

    “Mrs. Finicum announced she intends to sue.”

    In what venue? Or do they now recognize the authority of federal courts? Why would we, the taxpayers, have to actually pay any judgement, assuming she wins her lawsuit?

  24. 24.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: I saw that earlier and am not sure that you’ve progressed to the hangover part yet.

    Drink plenty of water. Coconut water too if you have some.

  25. 25.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Nutella:

    Uh, La Voy’s teenage daughter who will now run the family ranch is named Tean Bundy Finicum. At least I assume Bundy is her middle name rather than her married name!

    Maybe they learned a thing or two from the Habsburgs

  26. 26.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Jim Kakalios:

    “Mrs. Finicum announced she intends to sue.”

    I would not take that case on a contingency fee!

    Nor would I accept a retainer in Bundy Ranch scrip….

  27. 27.

    Felonius Monk

    Orange County is quite the place. A real hot bed of rabid John Bircher types in the late 50s and early 60s. Maybe it’s still like that.

    From Rick Perlstein (Before The Storm)

    James Wallace soon formed Anaheim’s first chapter of the John Birch Society. (Robert Welch, he said, “awakened us out of our selfish apathy and indifference to what is happening in America.”) Soon there were five chapters in Anaheim, and thirty-eight in Orange County. In January of 1961 Orange County State College and Fullerton Evening Junior College announced a series of lectures, “Understanding the Goals and Techniques of World Communism.” The course was promptly oversubscribed, as was Santa Ana College political science instructor John G. Schmitz’s course “Communist Aggression.” In March a coalition of civic leaders hosted a rally by the barnstorming Australian minister Fred C. Schwarz’s Christian Anti-Communism Crusade (whose unique contribution to right-wing discourse was to draw on his background in disease pathology and to contendthat the Communist Party held sway over the people of Russia via “the techniques of animal husbandry”). The publicity for Schwarz’s event warned of “communist plans for a flag of the USSR flying over every American city by 1973.” Principals were urged to suspend school; seven thousand children were obligingly trooped off to attend the all-day affair. Soon the ninety thousand parents of the Garden Grove School District were sent flyers assuring them that their children recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning, in schools where “any type of propaganda in conflict with county, state, and national laws is prohibited.”
    And on April 18, 1961, residents of Orange County’s six-thousand-pupil Magnolia School District recalled Joel Dvorman and two other liberals at the polls by a ratio of 3 to I. Even during the McCarthy years a public official had never been recalled from office for membership in the American Civil Liberties Union. But even during the McCarthy era there had never been a place quite like Orange County was in the 1960s

    ETA: see LAO #2 above.

  30. 30.

    LAO

    @Steve in the ATL: come now, don’t display actual standards. If I didn’t think they pull the sovcit crap, I would totally represent one of these smucks in the criminal case. I’m a terrible lawyer, they’d definitely get convicted. Now Bella Q, I’m sure they’d be acquitted.

  32. 32.

    Ruckus

    @Felonius Monk:
    It’s better now that lots of people have moved in. Better being a relative term of course.
    OC also was home to about 1200 KKK folks in the early 20s. Some of their followers still live there.

  33. 33.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @LAO: I think you mean committed. Or at least I would be with any of that crew as clients.

  34. 34.

    Gvg

    @LAO: oh Orange County California….I was wondering how I had missed a story like that so near me, but it’s not Florida this time. Orlando Florida is partly in Orange County Florida. I grew up in Orlando and it’s not perfect but I never heard anything like that. Whoa.

  36. 36.

    Nutella

    @Jim Kakalios:

    I suppose she can sue for wrongful death but will she have to do that against the state police who shot him or the FBI for stopping and attempting to arrest him? Maybe she can get whoever wrote Shawn Cox’s crimminal counter suite to help her.

  37. 37.

    LAO

    @Gvg: I had no idea there was an Orange County Florida. Be grateful (who though any one would ever say about Florida) it’s not in You neck of the woods. DAs office is engaging in some super evil shit in California.

  40. 40.

    Ken

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    What are the possible implications of that blacked-out name?

    I’m enhancing the contrast… zooming in… looks like seven letters… sorry, can only get the first one and last two: T _ _   _ _ U Z…

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    @srv: I’m not. I can tell you that Congressman Hunter is incorrect. The program in question was run out of the US Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) G2 (Directorate of Intelligence). The last teams came home from Afghanistan in 2014. The data repository, as the Army Times’ report indicated, is still maintained by TRADOC G2 and that program is now referred to as the Global Cultural Knowledge Network. There is currently no operational capability of providing socio-cultural subject matter experts to either Operational Army elements or Generating Army elements.

    For full disclosure: I left HTS in 2009 and was hired on a term appointment under the Intergovernmental Personnel Act into the second of the Army’s and TRADOC’s culture programs: The Army Culture and Foreign Language Directorate (originally the Army Culture and Foreign Language Management Office). We moved from the G2 to the G3 (Directorate of Operations) in late 2011. This second program lasted until 2014. I have many friends and colleagues left at TRADOC, including in the G2, but have not been employed by TRADOC or the US Army – either directly or indirectly, since JUL 2014.

  42. 42.

    Ken

    Ryan Bundy has informed the court that he will be representing himself.

    “First off, you need to get out of that chair and stop calling yourself a judge. I’ve got a pocket Constitution right here, and it says…”

  47. 47.

    Steve in the ATL

    @LAO: Disneyland is in Orange County, CA and Disneyworld is Orange County, FL. Put that in your pocket in case you end up on Jeopardy.

  48. 48.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Ken:

    Ryan Bundy has informed the court that he will be representing himself.

    “First off, you need to get out of that chair and stop calling yourself a judge. I’ve got a pocket Constitution right here, and it says…”

    Ha!

    I hope the bailiff in that courtroom is spry–he’s going to very busy restraining, cuffing, dragging, etc.

  49. 49.

    Steve in the ATL

    Obviously I’m in the manic phase of my militia update thread high. I’ll crash soon and other people will be able to post again.

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: @srv:
    I’m disappointed. We have a theater strategic command/Combined Joint Task Force trying to manage the IS mess over in the Levant. They do not have a cultural advisor. And there is no funding, nor way to get them one. I know – I’ve offered to go with the last two CJTF’s as their cultural advisor and have offered to the next one as well! That’s how I know Congressman Hunter is incorrect. If there was funding and a capability to field personnel from TRADOC G2 to do this, I wouldn’t be doing Bundy updates on Balloon Juice – I’d be in Iraq! He is correct that TRADOC has an office called the Global Cultural Knowledge Network (GCKN) designed to manage the cultural knowledge data repository and to answer requests for information from operational units. That’s not even close to what the Human Terrain System was intended to do, or did. And it is certainly not what is actually needed to support the task force deployed forward right now, let alone the other strategic level Army commands – the six Army Service Component Commands and the three Army Corps. In my professional opinion each of them should have at least one subject expert like me on the senior Staff. Ideally they’d have a small office with one person like me overseeing the work and two or three more junior and supporting personnel. But the minimum is at least one subject matter expert.

  52. 52.

    LAO

    @Steve in the ATL: no bailiffs, federal fcking marshals. Every federal courtroom has 2 things: (1) a panic button for the judge and (2) a “hidden” door behind the bench.

    Once years ago, a friend of mine was doing a sentencing. His client had a razor in his mouth. He lunged at the female ausa, dropped the razor and had his hands around her throat. The judge pressed the panic button, which had been disconnected. Then he vanished. Like into thin area. The court report, a Vietnam veteran and Harry (my friend) pulled the defendant off the prosecutor. The whole was videotaped by security cameras and then leaked on the Internet. It was crazy. Eventually the marshals showed up.

    Eta: Harry was @75 years old at the time.

  53. 53.

    Steve in the ATL

    @LAO: Was he able to get another retainer from the client to handle the new charges?

    I’m trying to think like a defense attorney!

  54. 54.

    LAO

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If there was funding and a capability to field personnel from TRADOC G2 to do this, I wouldn’t be doing Bundy updates on Balloon Juice

    I’m quite sure you are terribly disappointed. But at least you’ve made me, Bella Q and Steve happy.

  57. 57.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: Its beyond that. The best place for me right now, where I could make the most immediate impact, is to do what the Army trained me to do at the theater strategic level in support of our efforts in the Levant. It is beyond frustrating to be stuck here at home, when we have people in harm’s way that I could be helping. It was the reason I agreed to be recruited to do this type of work in the first place: given what I know and can do, how can I sit comfortably at home when we have people in harm’s way?

  59. 59.

    LAO

    @Adam L Silverman: And that, my internet friend, is why working with/for large bureaucracies that have a political angle is ultimately sole crushing. It is unfortunate that the people in charge are, more often than not, those with the least practical knowledge and know how.

  63. 63.

    Adam L Silverman

    @srv: Iraq is part of the Levant, or, at least, part of it. And a lot of people that have regional studies educations dealing with the Middle East and Central Asia are able to handle Syria, Iraq, and Iran without too much trouble.

  66. 66.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: I think it was a “some length” joke, but I’ll let manic Steve in the ATL explain his own comment accurately.

    ETA: or, what Omnes noted before I did. Need moar fix.

  67. 67.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: It’s the what? I’m done. This is not just professionally an issue for me, but personal. The damn sequester, which was used to justified closing my program, led to 14 of my counterparts becoming unemployed. And because of how it was timed, they missed the academic hiring cycle and many went over a year without work. At least one of them, who served as the bilingual binational advisor to at least four general officers over a period of ten years in Iraq is now working in an auto parts store. I’ve spent three or four years trying to find work for some of these folks. People who could be making a positive contribution right now.

  69. 69.

    Ken

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I hope the bailiff in that courtroom is spry–he’s going to very busy restraining, cuffing, dragging, etc.

    Only for the first day. Then the defendants will be watching the proceedings over closed-circuit TV from the comfort of their isolation cells.

  71. 71.

    The Republic, Blah Blah Blah...

    Ryan Bundy has informed the court that he will be representing himself.

    Aw man… just when you think this couldn’t get any better…

    ***Cues up Yakkity Sax for background music***

    I so wish I could be there to watch the proceedings…

  73. 73.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: No wonder it’s personal. What a G*dawful horrible kind of timing that kept the government from having the benefit of needed expertise and fucked up peoples’ lives in one fell swoop.

    I guess our joke about Trump insisting that he has length really fell flat. Ooh, flaccid pun! No one was objecting to your helpful detail in the explanation.

  74. 74.

    Adam L Silverman

    @srv: I’m very rusty, but speak Arabic, I had a native Arabic speaker on the team as well. That’s two of six. My other four had basic language instruction. However, one of the things I learned really quickly once on the ground was that I wanted a native Iraqi speaker from the linguist/interpreter pool with me at all times. So we wouldn’t miss any of the local nuance.

  77. 77.

    burnspbesq

    @LAO:

    I had no idea there was an Orange County Florida

    There are several Orange Counties. In addition to CA and FL, there are also NY and NC that I can remember.

  79. 79.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Adam L Silverman: Clearly, and as it should be!

    Also, you can post at great length here; we are your biggest fans. While all the other kids are over on the debate post, we are here with you getting our fix and helping you work through your issues.

    When you referred to “length,” I attempted a joke about Trump’s recent penchant for talking about his dick size. But you are free to make your posts whatever length, and girth, will give you the most confidence.

  80. 80.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @srv: Duncan Hunter is a piece of worthless shit, just like his vile sire.

    Fuck him, and fuck you.

  82. 82.

    LAO

    @Adam L Silverman: my comment #67 was meant to be sympathetic, I hope it did not come off as sarcastic.

    Eta: I (and everyone hear) appreciates your contributions here at B-J.

  86. 86.

    Steve in the ATL

    @burnspbesq: I’ve thought that before, then I remember that I live in Georgia, but in Tom Price’s district, not John Lewis’s.

  88. 88.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Steve in the ATL: Again: sorry. This really frosts me tukhas! Especially as Hunter never complains about the Marine Corps’ Center for Applied Operational Culture or the Air Force Culture Center.

  92. 92.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: it was fine. Apparently when I get upset I get very literal. Who knew? I’m good. Of course I’m now getting emails about the Army Times article from people I know looking for my take.

  97. 97.

    Adam L Silverman

    @srv: Here’s the deal with the AAA and its report condemning the program. It was based on a subset that dubbed itself the Network of Concerned Anthropologists. This was a handful of either obscure tenured faculty or untenured junior faculty that were looking to make a big name for themselves. Their report, which contained multiple demonstrated inaccuracies, was adopted by the AAA. For instance, in one part of the report they cite a site visit and assessment by a faculty member from the University of Central Florida. That individual and his team never actually made that site visit and assessment. They were not contracted by HTS or TRADOC G2 to do so, showed up on their own accord, and were NOT given access to the training site. One of the major players in the Network of Concerned Anthropologists claimed to have done interviews with HTS and TRADOC G2 personnel about the program. Granting them anonymity and quoting them in his book on the program published by Prickly Pear Press. I contacted the Director of his university’s Institutional Review Board and asked if he had filed a human subjects’ protection plan, on what date, and when the IRB approved it. She replied that she had no IRB approval for, let alone record of, any human subjects’ protection protocol to interview anyone regarding the program or anything else to do with the Army. Moreover, she informed me that she had no IRB approvals for him to ever do research involving human beings. This means that all the field work he’s done with indigenous populations in the highlands of Mexico is itself of the Anthropological Association of America’s professional ethics requirements. I still have the emails with this official about this.

    Finally, and perhaps most important: I”m not an anthropologist, I do not claim to be an anthropologist, and professionally, based on the ones I observed in the program, I think that anthropologists are actually disciplinarily unsuited to do this type of work.

  98. 98.

    LAO

    @Adam L Silverman: what a lovely evening you’ll be having! The sequester really fcked up a lot of people and programs, including the federal courts. It’s a shame that everything in this country is so highly politicized and there appears to be no middle ground anymore for programs we all believe are necessary or vital to this nation.

  99. 99.

    Adam L Silverman

    @srv: The issue isn’t the FLI, it isn’t even the Defense Language Institute. The real problem on all of this stuff is there is no Force Modernization Proponency for Culture, to include regional studies. Even though TRADOC is still identified as the functional proponent for this stuff, without a formal proponency that can program across the DOTMLPF+P – Doctrine, Organization, Training, Material, Leadership (and Education), Personnel, Facilities, and Policy – then no one, institutionally in the generating Army will take this stuff seriously. There is a Force Modernization Proponency for Language and they suck all the oxygen and funding up and since there isn’t one for culture, to include regional studies, there is just no way to compete. So you have people that think its important, each advocating almost walled off from the others, and personnel on the operational side of the house needing support, but no way to provide it.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: The real problem is it was a blunt instrument, not a scalpel. Were there things, regardless of department or agency, that needed cutting? Definitely. But simply imposing an arbitrary cap and having everyone have to scramble to get under it is simply a stupid thing to do.

  104. 104.

    elftx

    Thanks for the continuing the updates on the whackaloons. I hesitate to denigrate Mrs. Finicum but holy cow her lawyers must be something else to assure her of her view.
    Michele Fiore has filed to run for Congress which causes me to wish even harder charges were filed against all the elected Bundy supporters. I can dream ha.

  105. 105.

    Mnemosyne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    We were just teasing you but, never mind, you’re on a roll now.
    ;-)

    ETA: For the record, I agree with you 100 percent. It’s unbearably stupid for us to be sending troops into a foreign country without giving them the information they need to understand what they’re getting into and how to behave so as not to piss everyone else off.

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: I finally got it and understand. No worries. I’m going to go rub dog bellies and watch lucha underground. Again, my apology for taking it literally.

  110. 110.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Adam, thanks as always for the fix. I’m off, and besides that, I’m going to bed.

  112. 112.

    redshirt

    @Adam L Silverman: First, srv is a troll and you’re most likely getting trolled.
    2. Republicans suck and yet they’ve created a climate where they can often get away with it. What percentage of people in the military screwed by the Sequester blame the Republican party? What % blame Obama?
    3. Monterrey is a beautiful place. But then, so is most if not all of California.

  113. 113.

    Prescott Cactus

    Off topic but Middle East:

    Source: Reuters

    The United States and Iraq on Wednesday hosted a meeting of senior diplomats and U.N. officials to discuss the possible collapse of the Mosul hydro-electric dam, which U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power said would create a catastrophe of “epic proportions.”

    Mosul dam has sustained structural flaws since its construction in the 1980s. If it collapsed, a wall of water would flood the heavily populated Tigris River valley.

  116. 116.

    Bill_D

    Never been to the Mexican one but the U.S. one is great. Of course, the U.S. Monterey used to be in Mexico.

  119. 119.

    Prescott Cactus

    @Adam L Silverman: It was fresh a few hours ago and thought if you hadn’t heard it you may want to.

    Another nice edition of What’s new in Bundyville. Thanks!

  120. 120.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Prescott Cactus: I’ve been tracking it for over a week, but I appreciate you thinking of me. It is of some import to someone I’m consulting with.

  121. 121.

    Paul in KY

    Jeannette needs to wear some sunscreen. Probably thinks sunscreen is a Commiefacist plot to make us all darkies.

    Obama!!!

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