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Samantha Bee on School Shootings

by Betty Cracker|  March 10, 20162:13 pm| 83 Comments

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  1. 1.

    Paul in KY

    March 10, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    Samantha is a treasure!

  2. 2.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    Speaking of guns, new Captain America: Civil War trailer is out.

    I’m a huge nerd so this has got me far too excited. I’m more hyped for this movie than Star Wars.

  3. 3.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    @redshirt:

    Speaking of guns, new Captain America: Civil War trailer is out.

    I’m a huge nerd so this has got me far too excited. I’m more hyped for this movie than Star Wars.

    I mentioned this in the previous thread.

    Oh hell, yes!

    Marvel has just won the Superhero v Superhero movie. Cause when you get down to it, the upcoming Captain America movie treads similar ground to Batman v Superman. Hell, it retreads a lot of the X Men movies.

    But still. Damn!

  4. 4.

    NickM

    March 10, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    I thought my contempt for narcissistic contrarianist Camille Paglia could know no greater depths. Until she pretty much endorsed Trump in Salon, the perfect outlet for her. TLDR: Fascist policies can be suffered to enjoy fascistic masculine brio. I won’t bother linking. I hope this is the end of seeing her published anywhere but I’m afraid it won’t be.

    Probably not the last piece of this hideous type; plenty of Italian and German “intellectuals” simultaneously looked down upon and were thrilled by their fascist movements in the beginning, too.

  5. 5.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    @Brachiator: Marvel’s earned it – these characters and stories have been building for 8 years now. DC saw the $$$ and is now forcing a similar effort but all into one film. I’ll go see Superman v. Batman as my nerd code demands, but I don’t have high expectations.

    Whereas I am giddy for Civil War.

  6. 6.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    @NickM:

    Until she pretty much endorsed Trump in Salon

    What?

    Camille Paglia reminds me a bit of Ann Coulter, someone who is always angling to say something outrageous to get media attention. But when I see either of them, I always think, “just why is it that anyone thinks you have something significant to say?”

  7. 7.

    WarMunchkin

    March 10, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    I encourage everyone here to read or skim this 20K word article written about PBO’s foreign policy views in the Atlantic.

    “I’m very proud of this moment,” he told me. “The overwhelming weight of conventional wisdom and the machinery of our national-security apparatus had gone fairly far. The perception was that my credibility was at stake, that America’s credibility was at stake. And so for me to press the pause button at that moment, I knew, would cost me politically. And the fact that I was able to pull back from the immediate pressures and think through in my own mind what was in America’s interest, not only with respect to Syria but also with respect to our democracy, was as tough a decision as I’ve made—and I believe ultimately it was the right decision to make.”

    This was the moment the president believes he finally broke with what he calls, derisively, the “Washington playbook.”

    Barack Obama is the greatest thing to ever have fortuitously happened to a country that, quite frankly, just doesn’t deserve it.

  8. 8.

    gene108

    March 10, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    The thing to remember about the NRA is there are 5-10 other gun rights groups in the USA, with thousands to hundreds-of-thousands of members each, who all view the NRA as a bunch of liberal squishes and sell outs.

    There’s a level of violent, malicious, craziness this country, which gets masked all too often by politicians and the media.

  9. 9.

    Technocrat

    March 10, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    @redshirt:

    Wait, was that T’Challa or Catwoman? :))

    Also a big fan, going to see this opening weekend.

  10. 10.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 2:46 pm

    @WarMunchkin: We don’t deserve him especially in how he’s been treated. It’s shameful.

    Hopefully, history will look back at us as morans, and rightfully place BHO as one of the best Presidents ever.

  11. 11.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 2:46 pm

    @redshirt:

    Marvel’s earned it – these characters and stories have been building for 8 years now. DC saw the $$$ and is now forcing a similar effort but all into one film.

    I’m not sure that Marvel has earned anything. But they have been lucky and done a lot of things with a knowing eye. They have an overall strategy, but also knew how to take advantage of an opportunity to get a certain character (for those who did not look at the trailer, yet).

    Whereas I am giddy for Civil War.

    We can do the Snoopy dance together.

  12. 12.

    gene108

    March 10, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    @redshirt:

    I need to catch up on my comics reading…vaguely familiar with the Civil War story line…but I have not actively been reading comics for 20 years (a hobby which can get very expensive very fast).

    I also find it interesting they put the Avengers / SHIELD story arcs into Captain America movies, rather than say Thor or another Iron Man.

    I am also disappointed they did not make another Incredible Hulk movie.

  13. 13.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    ‘”and now you teach kids how to walk to gym class… without getting shot”
    I have been quickly convinced that Samantha Bee should’ve got TDS. I was never a huge fan when she was a correspondent, I thought she was pretty good, and the takedown of The Five was brilliant, but Jason Jones (her husband) and Jessica Wiliams were both funnier, and I think A Whitney Brown was the best of all time. But Trevor Noah’s kind of meh and SB seems to knock it out of the park at least once every show.

    Seems to me a lot of TDS alums have done their best work after leaving, most obviously the Colber(t) of the Repor(t), but also Steve Carrell, who I never liked on TDS. Oliver was plus good on the show, but he’s great on his own. Dan Something– bald guy who plays the incredibly nasty congressman on Veep, I’ve seen him in a couple of things and he’s a really good comedic character actor.

  14. 14.

    Thoroughly Pizzled

    March 10, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    @Brachiator: DC always works better in animation, maybe because Marvel heroes are inherently more “realistic.” The DCAU is magnificent.

    @NickM: Why is she still alive?

  15. 15.

    gene108

    March 10, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    @redshirt:

    I am looking forward to Superman v Batman, mainly because I really enjoyed the comic book version.

  16. 16.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    Gawker is having fun with this story about President Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau:

    I’m Lovin’ These Pics of Two Friends!

    Commenters are having fun as well:

    I wish I had a locker so I could pin this picture up in it and draw hearts all over the margins.

    Then I’ll make one of these with Barack on half of them, and Justin on the other. OMG WHO WILL I MARRY?

    AND

    A soft whisper swept through the land as a thousand fanfics began to take shape. Thousands of mouse clicks, keystrokes, and uploads created a soft cricketing that lasted for months. Many members were engorged.

  17. 17.

    japa21

    March 10, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    @Thoroughly Pizzled: Well DC is full of cartoon characters.

    Oh…you didn’t mean Washington, DC.

  18. 18.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    Why is she still alive?

    Because god is punishing us?

  19. 19.

    Betty Cracker

    March 10, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think it was incredibly stupid of Comedy Central not to offer Bee the show, but that said, she’s probably better off striking out on her own anyway.

  20. 20.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    I’m reading somewhere that the Right to Rise Superpac spent $119 million to help Jeb! get the GOP nomination.

    Money well spent. Next up, Ru Ru Rubio.

  21. 21.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    It never ends.

    Dem Sen. After Shooting At TX Office: There Were Bullets ‘Everywhere’

  22. 22.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    @Brachiator: They’ve earned the conflict by developing the characters and stories. These heroes fighting each other is a logical progression of what’s been happening – for example, there’s been tension in almost every interaction between Stark and Rogers since they first met. DC has rebooted Batman, again, and while it makes sense that he would be distrustful of Superman at first, and hence a fight, they’re also throwing in a multitude of other characters so they can launch Justice League movies and spinoffs. It might work, but I bet it fizzles.

  23. 23.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    @gene108: The movie Civil War is not really tied to the comics version except for the conflict between Stark and Rogers as the respective leaders of two camps. If you’ve seen the other Marvel movies you know all you need to follow this story. Especially the last Captain America movie, Winter Soldier.

  24. 24.

    JPL

    March 10, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @Brachiator: CSPAN will cover the arrival for the state dinner starting at 6:15 pm.

  25. 25.

    raven

    March 10, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    Arrest Made from Assault at Trump Rally
    Cumberland County Sheriff’s detectives have arrested a suspect for assaulting a young protester who was being escorted out of the Crown Coliseum during a political campaign rally being conducted by presidential candidate Donald Trump last night. John Franklin McGraw, whose address had previously been listed on Mountain Rd., Etowah, NC, but who currently resides in Linden, was arrested this morning, Thursday, March 10, 2016, and charged with assaulting Rakeem Jones of Fayetteville, and disorderly conduct for his actions during the Trump rally in Fayetteville on Wednesday, March 9.

  26. 26.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    @gene108: Hope it’s just the visuals you’re excited over, because it’s by Zach Snyder.

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    @redshirt:

    They’ve earned the conflict by developing the characters and stories. These heroes fighting each other is a logical progression of what’s been happening – for example, there’s been tension in almost every interaction between Stark and Rogers since they first met.

    Actually, I don’t think they have reasonably made Stark the voice of the establishment. And the William Hurt character seems to come out of nowhere. But these are minor quibbles. I get a sense that they have done very well in prior movies in setting up which characters will side with Cap, and who will side with Stark.

    DC has rebooted Batman, again, and while it makes sense that he would be distrustful of Superman at first, and hence a fight, they’re also throwing in a multitude of other characters so they can launch Justice League movies and spinoffs. It might work, but I bet it fizzles.

    DC may be trying to do too much too soon. For me, they have failed to establish who this Superman is and how he relates to his adopted home world. They will have to cram in a lot of explanation along with new characters. If it were me, I would have had Diana Prince (not Wonder Woman) appear in the earlier Superman movie.

    And it’s funny. The Marvel movies are the work of a committee, but still often work creatively. On the other hand, I am just not that impressed with Snyder as a creative force, and am not sure that he has served Batman and Superman well. The DC movies should be a slam dunk, but with each new trailer, my reaction has been, “Nope, still not convinced.”

  28. 28.

    Germy

    March 10, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    The notorious RBG has a new book coming out:
    http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/03/finally-ruth-bader-ginsburg-publishing-a-book.html

  29. 29.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    @gene108: There’s also dozens of other white supremacist groups in this country even more loathsome than the KKK. And other than the RNC, they’re all rightfully vilified by almost every person when they become aware of them. Start with the NRA and the disdain will spread.

  30. 30.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    March 10, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    I think Trevor Noah has been a fantastic replacement on TDS. He makes me laugh every night. I find Samantha Bee funny as well. I’m glad Noah got the spot, though.

  31. 31.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    @redshirt: BTW, have you seen Zootropia yet?

  32. 32.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I am just not that impressed with Snyder as a creative force

    That’s a nice way of putting it. Another way is Zack Snyder makes Michael Bay look like Woody Allen.

  33. 33.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    maybe because Marvel heroes are inherently more “realistic.”

    Of all the things I’ve seen comic book nerds say, this might take the cake.

    FYI: Yes, I hate comic books, I hate Marvel especially and I have no love for DC either. And the entire bunch have completely ruined the movie business, pretty much making it very likely I will never step foot into a movie theater ever again (as always, with exceptions for anything Star Wars). That said, my dear BIL is the world’s biggest comic book nerd and I love him. So I don’t hate the nerds like I do their past time, but I have found that they are pretty clueless to how they sound to the rest of humanity.

  34. 34.

    daveNYC

    March 10, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I thought there was some timing issue there. Bee and/or her husband were already in with TBS for some shows by the time Stewart decided to retire.

  35. 35.

    kindness

    March 10, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    Ahhh! This talk of Camille Paglia made me lose my appetite (it’s lunch time out here in Left Coast Land).

    On the other hand, it’s a good time to go over Sainted Molly Ivin’s take on her:

    Molly Rips Camille a new one.

    @Old Dan and Little Anne: Samantha’s show is great but let’s not forget she’s doing a half hour a week vs 1/2 hour 4 nights a week. Way different.

  36. 36.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Actually, I don’t think they have reasonably made Stark the voice of the establishment. And the William Hurt character seems to come out of nowhere. But these are minor quibbles. I get a sense that they have done very well in prior movies in setting up which characters will side with Cap, and who will side with Stark.

    I don’t think Stark represents the voice of the establishment per se, but rather as an egomaniac who will do anything because he thinks it’s right. He went from a character mocking congress and declaring that he’d “privatized world peace” to a guy suffering PTSD and convinced he needs to save the world himself (Iron Man 3, Ultron), almost destroying the world in the process. Stark doesn’t trust himself anymore and that’s why he’s for oversight. Cap, on the other hand has gone from gung ho do anything superiors tell you soldier to a man who overthrew the world’s biggest spy agency because it was in fact taken over by an evil organization. He’s no longer set to defer to authority.

    Plus, the central conflict of Civil War is going to be over Bucky, since he is technically a mass murdering super-criminal, but he’s also Cap’s best friend. That personal stake is what will drive the conflict between the two men and thus the two teams.

  37. 37.

    WarMunchkin

    March 10, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    @redshirt:

    “And as I recall, because apparently nobody in this town does, Putin went into Georgia on Bush’s watch, right smack dab in the middle of us having over 100,000 troops deployed in Iraq.”

    And that’s when I learned PBO was batting for team DFH the whole time.

  38. 38.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    @geg6: Well, it looks like you’re never going to the movies again, since Marvel, DC, and Star Wars movies will be coming out 2-4 times a year every year for at least the next 5 years, and probably longer.

  39. 39.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    @geg6:

    So I don’t hate the nerds like I do their past time, but I have found that they are pretty clueless to how they sound to the rest of humanity.

    Actually, they sound pretty good to the rest of humanity, especially to those of us who don’t see a hatred of comic books as meaningful.

    And “completely ruined the movie business?” Fie! Fie, I say!

  40. 40.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    @Brachiator: Also, while there is no doubt a committee in charge of Marvel Studios, one man is the leader behind the creative vision – Paul Feige. I’m not sure who is counterpart at DC is, if they have one.

  41. 41.

    gene108

    March 10, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    Guess I am glad I do not know, who Zach Snyder is or what other movies he’s done…

  42. 42.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    @Brachiator: No, that’s not in my wheelhouse. It’s getting stellar reviews though.

    I live 1.5 hours away from the nearest movie theater, so I only go rarely, i.e. only for comic book movies.

  43. 43.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    @geg6:

    So I don’t hate the nerds like I do their past time, but I have found that they are pretty clueless to how they sound to the rest of humanity.

    Well, they tend to not pen such haughty patronizing drivel as this, so there’s one for the nerds.

  44. 44.

    Betty Cracker

    March 10, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    @daveNYC: I thought she turned it down at first, but then I read somewhere that Bee was surprised not to be asked, which sounds like she was passed over. But no matter, it all worked out.

  45. 45.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    @WarMunchkin: I’m not ashamed to save I love Barack Hussein Obama. I really sincerely wish he could continue on as President, but since he can’t, I am intensely eager to find out what he does next. He’s got decades more on the world stage to make a difference.

  46. 46.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    @gene108: Zach Snyder has come to be known for bombastic visuals and light stories. That said, I like his work a lot.

  47. 47.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    @redshirt: If only Sucker Punch’s story were “light” rather than “thoroughly detestable in every way imaginable”. Yet somehow he still made the Big Boss Fights dull as fuck. I really have seen videogames do such scenes better.

    Hard to argue against the visuals he did for 300, but it’s been done and copied, and he doesn’t have any new tricks up his sleeve. That and people are going around even today thinking Sparta was some kind of proto-democracy. Ask the Helots how enlightened they thought Sparta was (though that much isn’t Snyder’s fault I admit)

  48. 48.

    WaterGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I was never crazy about Samantha Bee on the daily show, but I heard recently that she had been offered the daily show and had declined. Not true? But I hear that on the internet!!!

    Never mind – just saw your comment at #43.

  49. 49.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    @The Other Chuck: Tell me again why that movie was so horrible? I’m not sure if I’ve seen the whole thing through but all I can recall is it was a trippy fantasy movie possibly played out in the mind of a girl who’s locked away in a mental institute? How wrong did I get that?

    The visuals were interesting. NAZI’s with dragons?

  50. 50.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    @geg6:

    And I want to make clear, I was laughing as I typed this. Not trying to be a too sour note, just find it all too funny.

  51. 51.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    @WarMunchkin: This will also cause some confusion among Andrea Mitchell’s regular cribbage partners.
    Obama went on to say that the belief in the possibilities of projected toughness is rooted in “mythologies” about Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy.

    “If you think about, let’s say, the Iran hostage crisis, there is a narrative that has been promoted today by some of the Republican candidates that the day Reagan was elected, because he looked tough, the Iranians decided, ‘We better turn over these hostages,’ ” he said. “In fact what had happened was that there was a long negotiation with the Iranians and because they so disliked Carter—even though the negotiations had been completed—they held those hostages until the day Reagan got elected. Reagan’s posture, his rhetoric, etc., had nothing to do with their release. When you think of the military actions that Reagan took, you have Grenada—which is hard to argue helped our ability to shape world events, although it was good politics for him back home. You have the Iran-Contra affair, in which we supported right-wing paramilitaries and did nothing to enhance our image in Central America, and it wasn’t successful at all.” He reminded me that Reagan’s great foe, Daniel Ortega, is today the unrepentant president of Nicaragua.
    and he goes on to bring up Lebanon (in a passage I think Goldberg should have revised.)

  52. 52.

    daveNYC

    March 10, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Probably for the best too. I’ve heard that Comedy Central isn’t the best place to work. Very micromanagy if you’re not rocking it on the Stewart/Colbert/South Park level. Those three were given free rein, other people get tied down.

  53. 53.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @redshirt: You pretty much summed up the plot. The real-life parts are just ugly torture and revenge porn. Hell, even the Matrix sequels (Reloaded anyway), at least had an occasional insightful thing to say. There are certainly more sadistic directors (Lars Von Trier comes to mind) and worse movies, but the hype to reality ratio for Snyder’s movies always seems to be much higher.

  54. 54.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I think comic books are and always have been pretty stupid, but I’m sure I like things you think are stupid. And they have ruined the movie business. Unless you live in NY or LA, that’s pretty much the only thing that plays at the multiplex, with the exception of another genre I generally detest, children’s animated movies. For adult fare, I have to wait for them to come out on Netflix or pay-per-view or, if I can make the wait, HBO. Star Wars was the only thing to tempt into a theater in years simply because there is never anything catering to an adult woman showing.

  55. 55.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    @geg6: Deadpool is the only comic book movie in theaters right now. Maybe you need to move out of the sticks.

  56. 56.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    If you want to own that whole Marvel-comics-are-awesome-because-they-have-realistic-superheroes thing, that’s fine with me. And I apologized for my comment sounding more harsh than I really meant. But now that I’ve seen all the emo over a throwaway comment by someone not liking comics or their effect on the entertainment industry, I’m not sure I should have.

  57. 57.

    TroubleMaker

    March 10, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    @The Other Chuck: Zach Snyder is a pathetic hack. He doesn’t make movies, he makes feature-length video game cut scenes using live actors.

  58. 58.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    @geg6: Most movies are garbage. Some are entertaining garbage. I don’t mainline Shakespeare every moment of my life, and if I did, I still wouldn’t be a better person. Geez, I think almost all anime is puerile crap, but I don’t piss in every fan’s wheaties every chance I get.

  59. 59.

    John Revolta

    March 10, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bu bu but he made the Commies tear down the Wall! “Tear down this wall” he said and they done it!! Top THAT libs!

  60. 60.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    @John Revolta: He does deserve some credit for working with Gorbachev. Taking the opposite of the tough-guy image in doing so, but appearance is all that matters to the modern GOP.

  61. 61.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    Fuck off. I live where I work and where I can afford to live. Perhaps you’re wealthy enough to live in an urban center, but I’m not.

    And I just checked the local movie listings and the only thing showing I can imagine seeing (mainly because I already saw it) is Spotlight. And it’s probably only booked because it won the Oscar. I had to wait for it to be available on pay-per-view to see it before the Oscars. I don’t book the local theaters, so I don’t have any control over what they show. All I know is that there are literally another 10 films currently showing and none of them, with the exception of Tina Fey’s latest (which looks really stupid, so I’m not interested), are meant for anyone other than children, teens, religious nuts and young adult males. I don’t think I’m the first or only woman in America to have made this observation.

  62. 62.

    WarMunchkin

    March 10, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    @redshirt: I’m just glad Jimmy Carter, the Yoda of post-Presidency, is going to be alive long enough to transfer at least some knowledge to BHO to continue the long march. At least that’s my fantasy.

  63. 63.

    The Other Chuck

    March 10, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    @geg6: Most movies show in megaplexes in the burbs. And I already agreed most movies are crap. But so is most TV, and bragging about not owning a TV is also kind of passe.

    Fuckit, I’m tired of spreading bad vibes. Sorry for being nasty and let’s agree to disagree, k?

    Hugs.

  64. 64.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    While I ignore the hurt fee fees of the comic books crowd, I want to say that I also hated Jon Stewart’s show for at least the last lazy 6 or 7 years it was on. So, if I watched it, it was usually to hate watch. So I never saw much of Samantha Bee on the show. But I am loving her new gig. She’s very good. If she had been the star of The Daily Show, I might have tuned in regularly. And I might miss it now.

  65. 65.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    @geg6: So what did you think of the world’s greatest feminist action movie, Mad Max: Fury Road?

  66. 66.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    @geg6: I debate whether the Oscars should be the standard we hold good movies too. There was a wonderful comedy bit during the Oscars where Chris Rock asked people on the street of Oakland what they knew about the best picture contenders, and most people had no idea what the films were. At the same time, Star Wars will net close to 2 billion dollars worldwide.

    It’s entertainment. Movies have always been entertainment first, everything else second.

  67. 67.

    Larv

    March 10, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    @geg6:

    It wasn’t the not liking comics that got you some pushback, it was the sneering at people who do. Several commenters spent some time discussing their interests, and you come in with a comment about how stupid that interest is. Then you call them “emo” for being upset about that.

    As far as comic book movies ruining the theater, you’re blaming the wrong thing. First, the vast majority of movies have always sucked. Second, the rise of comic book movies has more to do with the rise of streaming video and home theater and the increasing difficulty of getting people out to the theater. Lots of people only go to theaters for the kind of big, special-effect and explosion heavy flicks that comic book movies excel at.

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    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Larv: I’d like to note for the record I was not at all upset with geg6’s comments because I’m quite used to that response. Comic books have long been held in low esteem by the general public, so I understand why some would react negatively to their current world wide acclaim (in movie/TV form). I also get they’re not everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s cool.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled

    March 10, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    @geg6: Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! I meant that Marvel heroes are more realistic than DC heroes.

  70. 70.

    Bill Murray

    March 10, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    @Betty Cracker:”Comedy Central never offered Samantha Bee The Daily Show hosting gig when Stewart left.”

    “I don’t want to do a show four nights a week. Kill me. Oh my God. No thank you,” says the mother of three (her oldest is 10). “If there’s one thing that I do know myself, it’s better for me to build something from nothing than to take over something from someone else who is so lauded. This is a better path for me, and I can carve out my own space.”

    source

  71. 71.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    @WarMunchkin: LOL. I can see the scene now where Barack show’s up to one of Jimmy’s Habits for Humanity builds, seeking true Jedi training.

  72. 72.

    Geeno

    March 10, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    I think Samantha Bee is better off with her own show rather than inheriting the format of someone else’s show and the inevitable comparisons to Stewart

  73. 73.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    March 10, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    @geg6:

    maybe because Marvel heroes are inherently more “realistic.”

    Of all the things I’ve seen comic book nerds say, this might take the cake.

    All that means is that Marvel has characters — flawed, human characters — instead of walking archetypes.

    Oh, and the power levels were generally kept down to the semi-plausible range. No moving the planet out of its orbit and then moving it back.

    I used to compare Marvel to the myths about Jason and Theseus and Gilgamesh, while DC was about the pantheons.

  74. 74.

    Marjowil

    March 10, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    I’m a girl nerd from way back and I love me some Star Wars, Marvel, DC and Star Trek. I love all comic book movies (okay, I skipped Fantastic 4, I have some standards) because they are FUN. Deadpool was FUN. Guardians of the Galaxy. etc. But the Batman v. Superman movie has one important thing going for it: WONDER WOMAN. Finally.

  75. 75.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Animated movies are an example of why “making movies by committee” is not inherently a bad thing as long as you have at least one or two ringmasters keeping the circus organized. Smart filmmakers seek out feedback and take it seriously rather than clinging to a “vision” that may not be working the way they wanted it to.

  76. 76.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @geg6:

    I think comic books are and always have been pretty stupid, but I’m sure I like things you think are stupid.

    You remind me of a teacher who looked down on comic books. I remember thinking of her when I went to college, and found that the best and most challenging Comp Lit course, Literature X, focused on comic books and genre fiction.

    Obviously, I disagree with you here, but no big thang.

    And they have ruined the movie business. Unless you live in NY or LA, that’s pretty much the only thing that plays at the multiplex, with the exception of another genre I generally detest, children’s animated movies.

    Wow. You detest a lot of stuff. What do you like?

    But I see your point. I live in Southern California, so no problem finding whatever I want to see. But I guess if you live in a small burg, tough cookies. And it sounds like you would not have much of a choice anyway. You can’t say that comic book movies have ruined the movie business. If there were a glut of Westerns, you still might be in a pickle.

    But as I say, I understand where you are coming from.

  77. 77.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @Marjowil: I skipped Fantastic Four. Everyone did.

    This is an intelligent crowd, so I assume everyone knows the deal with Marvel characters? Why, for example, it’s such a big deal Spiderman is in the upcoming Captain America movie?

  78. 78.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Animated movies are an example of why “making movies by committee” is not inherently a bad thing as long as you have at least one or two ringmasters keeping the circus organized. Smart filmmakers seek out feedback and take it seriously rather than clinging to a “vision” that may not be working the way they wanted it to.

    I don’t know. There’s a ton of animated crap out there.

    I would trade most animated movies for the single vision of Hayao Miyazaki. But I take your point.

    I took a day off yesterday to take care of some personal stuff, and found time to see Zootopia. I have mixed feelings about it, and still think it was ham fisted in many ways. But I understand that it was originally supposed to focus on the Fox character. The shift to another character works like a freaking charm. The movie also seems to have had a ton of people working on the story. It largely succeeds, and it may be because, as you suggest, it had the right ringmasters.

  79. 79.

    WaterGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    @Geeno: I kind of think they are all better off creating their own shows from scratch rather than “following” Jon Stewart.. They being John Oliver, Larry Wilmore, Samantha Bee, etc.

  80. 80.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Geeno: @WaterGirl: that’s true, taking over from Stewart was a risky proposition

  81. 81.

    ? Martin

    March 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    @WarMunchkin:

    Barack Obama is the greatest thing to ever have fortuitously happened to a country that, quite frankly, just doesn’t deserve it.

    When people read that article, imagine Trump or Cruz being the one interviewed and consider what their answers would be.

  82. 82.

    The Moar You Know

    March 10, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    Were I not already happily married I would be trying my damndest to marry Samantha Bee. She’s absolutely wonderful.

  83. 83.

    Tom

    March 10, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @Old Dan and Little Anne: This.
    Trevor is funny, charming and brings an ‘outsider’ perspective to US politics and media. If you listen to his stand-up, he’s no stranger to political satire.

    Plus it’s kind of nice to see more POC and women on my TV.

    Just so it’s clear. I wanted Samantha Bee to get the TDS slot but I love her new show.

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