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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Trump Clarifies “Islam Hates Us” Statement

Trump Clarifies “Islam Hates Us” Statement

by Betty Cracker|  March 10, 20165:17 pm| 182 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, General Stupidity

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NEW YORK CITY, N.Y. – March 10, 2016 – Republican frontrunner Donald Trump issued a clarification on a controversial statement he made during an interview with CNN anchor Anderson Cooper yesterday. When asked by Cooper if he thought Islam was at war with the West, Trump replied, “I think Islam hates us,” which sparked a significant outcry.

Today, Trump clarified that the “Islam” he was referring to was not the religion with more than a billion adherents (including more than three million in the U.S.) but rather singer-songwriter Yusef Islam, formerly known as Cat Stevens. Mr. Stevens had a string of hits in the 1970s, including “Peace Train” and “Moonshadow.”

“C’mon,” Trump exclaimed when confronted with a barrage of media questions. “I didn’t mean the whole religion, obviously! That would be crazy. But that Yusef guy, he has a tremendous hatred for America. He doesn’t even live here.”

Trump’s clarification came too late to save Florida Governor Rick Scott, a prominent Trump supporter, from embarrassment when he was asked to defend Trump’s “Islam hates us” statement on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” program today.

Apparently suffering the same programming glitch as Florida Senator Marco Rubio, Governor Scott awkwardly tried to deflect questions about whether or not Muslims hate America by repeating lines about unrelated events in Florida.

CDC scientists, alarmed by the similarities between the televised Rubio and Scott repetition meltdowns, immediately began research to rule out a connection with the Zika virus. But when a healthcare worker approached Scott to attempt to draw blood, the governor morphed into a reptile-like alien life form and returned to his home planet. It is unclear if he will attend tonight’s GOP debate as previously planned.

ETA: Satire is dead. But please note this post is one of its deceased molecules.

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  1. 1.

    Snarkworth, short-fingered Bulgarian

    March 10, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    There’s a GOP debate tonight? Saints preserve us.

  2. 2.

    The Golux

    March 10, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    So I guess when Drumpf goes down to his inevitable defeat, he’ll start writing for the Onion.

  3. 3.

    The Moar You Know

    March 10, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    I’d buy that argument if Yusef had been a Muslim while writing those fucking horrible songs of his. But no. Nice try, Stumpy Drumpf.

    Seriously, can’t stand that guy, and if you want some misogyny with misogyny piled on top, read the lyrics to “Wild World”.

  4. 4.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 10, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    The Cat Stevens stuff is snark, right? It’s so hard to tell with Trump. That QVC channel victory speech already strained my credibility enough for one week.

  5. 5.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    March 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Parody is dead.

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    Bullshit, Mister Trump. I don’t believe Yusuf Islam hates anybody.

  7. 7.

    WereBear

    March 10, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    @The Moar You Know: I agree. And seemingly picked his new religion out of a hat; after a near drowning got him all “spiritual” he choose a religion he knew so little about… He didn’t know it forbade instruments and, according to some sources, singing.

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    March 10, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    Uh huh

    Uh huh

    But, we’re supposed to trust Hillary on financial domestic policy.

    Ok. …sure……
    ……………………

    U.S. hedge fund managers pour money into 2016 race and Trump is a factor
    By David Morgan

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Major U.S. hedge fund managers are on pace this year to more than double the amount they gave in the 2012 election campaign, with independent fundraising groups backing Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton and Republican rival Ted Cruz receiving the most so far.

    About $47 million has been lavished on presidential candidates and lawmakers and the political action committees that support them by two dozen of the industry’s top managers in the first 13 months of this election season, according to a Reuters review of Federal Election Commission filings.

    Most of the hedge fund support going to Cruz and Clinton has come from a handful of people out of the two dozen managers studied.

  9. 9.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Don’t think I can take it much longer. The keys that spell “you can’t make this shit up” on my laptop are worn down to tiny nubs.

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    March 10, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    “Peace Train” just oozes hate.

    And arbeit macht frei.

  11. 11.

    jl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    I’ve read and seen in interviews, that a lot of Trump supporters don’t particularly care what he means exactly, don’t believe he means or will do what he says. They just like the impression he gives of strength and resolve.

    I remember one person exclaiming, like it was an obvious slam dunk rational argument for Trump: “Look, he has Make America Great Again, printed ON HIS HAT!!”

    So, those are the dumb ones. Then there are the evil authoritarian and racist ones. And then I guess there are the dumb and evil ones.

    Trump knows about his dumb fans, and he plays the game they want to hear. Those poor souls are the next marks in this most recent Trump con. But this con is far more dangerous than the other.

  12. 12.

    WaterGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Hey, I grew up loving Cat Stevens! And I have no problem with him becoming Muslim, though I have no idea if he actually hates America. But I doubt it.

    Can’t decide whether I am willing to read the lyrics to Wild World. Some illusions just don’t want to be shattered. I can barely stand to watch some of the right-wing actors I used to like.

  13. 13.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    @WereBear:

    He didn’t know it forbade instruments and, according to some sources, singing.

    Where do you get this nonsense? It doesn’t. There are plenty of Muslim musicians, and many of them even compose and perform religious music.

  14. 14.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    Wait, this is real? Not a satire?

  15. 15.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    Aw c’mon y’all — don’t be dissing on Cat. He wrote some beautiful stuff. And I agree with Amir/Yusuf — he wouldn’t hate a fly.

    ‘Sides, he’s half Greek.

    eta: I don’t think Wild World is misogynistic at all. Somewhat sexist, MAYBE — but even so, those are not the same thing.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    March 10, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    Happen to catch his statement that “The Elvis impersonators love me” the other day?

  17. 17.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 10, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    @redshirt: That was my question. I’m pretty sure it’s snark, but who knows?

  18. 18.

    Benw

    March 10, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    The most outlandish thing in this post is the idea of Trump ‘clarifying’ anything.

  19. 19.

    Luthe

    March 10, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    @redshirt: If you read all the way down to the bottom, there’s a reference to Rick Scott turning into a lizard person. While I don’t doubt Rick Scott is some form of reptile, I don’t think he’d be caught transforming in public.

    Also, there’s no link to Trump’s “clarification” so…

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    @WereBear: That’s heartbreaking.

    Edit:

    @Amir Khalid: That seemed kind of odd, glad to know it’s not true! Nonsense seems a bit harsh toward WereBear, though I imagine people being constantly wrong abut your religion might make a person touchy.

  21. 21.

    Peale

    March 10, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    You know you’re requesting a classy data set when the registration options includes “Sir” and “Baroness” and other titles in addition to Mr. Mrs. Ms. and Dr.

  22. 22.

    jl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    @Benw: Good point. Trump seems to have problems explaining anything more complicated that shrink wrapped steaks, hotel lobby magazines, and huge classy fake gold leaf signs on large buildings.

  23. 23.

    LAO

    March 10, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    Satire may be dead, but I still laughed.

  24. 24.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    The song is about a guy whose girlfriend has dumped him, and he says he’s worried that bad things might happen to her out in the “Wild World”. That’s all. Condescending at worst …..but hell, he’s the dump-ee.

  25. 25.

    Betty Cracker

    March 10, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    Post updated to identify it as satire. Now I desperately require a martini.

  26. 26.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Now I desperately require a martini.

    Shaken, not stirred?

  27. 27.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Where do you get this nonsense? It doesn’t. There are plenty of Muslim musicians, and many of them even compose and perform religious music.

    From assuming that Muslim=ISIS or Taliban, perhaps?

    But no, surely it couldn’t be that. Not right here on this progressive blog.

  28. 28.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    @Luthe:
    I am completely prepared to believe that Rick Scott would not balk at transforming into a reptile in public. If there’s one thing the Republican party’s 2016 presidential campaign has taught us, it’s that the worst you can bring yourself to believe about its politicians is but a pale shadow of the truth.

  29. 29.

    Chyron HR

    March 10, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Cat Stevens is pretty good; I really like Cat’s In The Cradle and the one about the taxi driver.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    @ Betty Cracker ETA:

    With how crazy things have gotten, how’s a person supposed to apply a standard measure of “that’s too crazy to be true, this must be satire”?

  31. 31.

    Mike in NC

    March 10, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    We have good friends in Florida and can barely imagine what the klown kar is bringing them 24/7 these days.

  32. 32.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @eemom:

    don’t be dissing on Cat. He wrote some beautiful stuff. And I agree with Amir/Yusuf — he wouldn’t hate a fly.

    Sorry Amir! I meant to say I agreed with you that Cat/Yusuf wouldn’t hurt a fly.

    I’ll shut up now.

  33. 33.

    WereBear

    March 10, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It was that he picked a small Muslim offshoot.

    Not that all Muslims are under such strictures! Sorry.

    It’s like in Christianity, there’s people who are snake handlers, and then there’s all the other Christians.

  34. 34.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    Those are Harry Chapin.

  35. 35.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    @Peale:
    Did you know that Jamie Lee Curtis is a Baroness? Christopher Guest is a real live English Baron, the 13th Baron Hayden-Guest.

  36. 36.

    Chyron HR

    March 10, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @eemom:

    The “Fire and Rain” guy? Huh, go figure.

  37. 37.

    Benw

    March 10, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker: lizard-alien Rick Scott didn’t do the trick, huh?

  38. 38.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 10, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Ian Fleming notwithstanding, shaking a Martini is an abomination.

  39. 39.

    geg6

    March 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    After his QVC speech the other night, satire died. How do you satirize this shit? It’s pre-satirized. By the subject of the satire. No, I have no idea how we arrived at this pass. I would totally believe that Rick Scott is a lizard person. He looks like one.

  40. 40.

    trollhattan

    March 10, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    @Chyron HR:
    You done broke my snark meter needle!

  41. 41.

    quakerinabasement

    March 10, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    Satire or real? It was up for grabs until I got to the Zika virus.

  42. 42.

    A Ghost To Most

    March 10, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Whenever I see a group of GOoPers on TV now,my mind automatically renders them as characters from Ralph Steadman’s Lizard Lounge.

    Rick Scott requires no translation.

  43. 43.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 10, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes, I remember watching the State Opening of Parliament a few years ago, and there she was, wearing a long dress at 11:00 a.m. and seated with all the other peeresses.

  44. 44.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    The “Fire and Rain” guy?

    No, that’s Jim Croce. : )

  45. 45.

    WereBear

    March 10, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    Since I cannot edit:

    Cat Stevens supposedly converted to a small segment of Islam that forbid the use of musical instruments. But then, maybe he made it up to cover his songwriter’s block.

    He has made many bizarre statements, and I cannot find references now.

    It was never meant as a statement about Islam OR Muslims in general.

    Sorry about that.

  46. 46.

    dlm

    March 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @Chyron HR: Those were Harry Chapin songs.

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @eemom: pretty sure that was Gordon Lightfoot

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    There are fairly mainstream Christian sects that forbid dancing — Baptists, I’m looking at you. IIRC, Stevens converted to one of the Wahhabist sects, which wouldn’t be my first choice if I were a musician.

    The joke about Baptists is that they’re anti-sex because it might lead to dancing.

  49. 49.

    John Revolta

    March 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @eemom: Harry Chapin is a Muslim?

    Oh, wait! “Taxi Driver”! Of course! It’s all so obvious……………….

  50. 50.

    WaterGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @Chyron HR: That was a joke, right? Because that’s James Taylor, but I think you know that!

    You guys are cracking me up.

  51. 51.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’ve been brushing up in this stuff because of the novel I’m working on and technically I think Curtis may have a courtesy title. Great Britain has kind of a weird system where only the actual title holder is a peer and the rest of the family are legally commoners. Accepting an actual peerage title would mean that Curtis would lose her American citizenship.

    (Guest is Canadian, so he wouldn’t have to worry about such things.)

  52. 52.

    scav

    March 10, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    @A Ghost To Most: Funny, I’ve seen them as errant contestants on “Let’s Made A Deal!” for nearly 2 decades — the costumes! the inanity! the screaming! The focus on money and nothing but!

  53. 53.

    WereBear

    March 10, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Mnemosyne: That was it! I knew it was a conservative type, and in the article I read, long ago, it was an even stricter subset of that.

    In the article Stevens claimed he “found out later” about the rules it had about music… The whole thing was so strange it stuck in my head.

    Though, apparently, imperfectly.

  54. 54.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: That’s been my feeling, too. One must not bruise the gin.

  55. 55.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter:

    Parody is dead.

    I remember the Monty Python Dead Parody skit.

    This guy returns a dead parody to the store where he got it …

  56. 56.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 10, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I love Qawwali music, also there are many renowned Muslim practitioners of Hindustani classical music, who regularly sing praises of both Allah and Krishna, some times in the same song!

    Yaar Illahi
    Ustad Rashid Khan singing Albela Saajan

  57. 57.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 10, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Isn’t it the other way around, dancing may lead to sex?

  58. 58.

    Luthe

    March 10, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @Brachiator: Was it pining for the fjords? I didn’t know Norwegians were so humourous.

  59. 59.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Nope, the joke is that they’re so strict about dancing that they forbid anything that might lead to it.

  60. 60.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 10, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    I’m sincerely hoping that we’ll look back on this election as the wacky outlier. I’m desperately worried that we’ll look back on it as the first step to some tragic new normal.

  61. 61.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    (Guest is Canadian, so he wouldn’t have to worry about such things.)

    Guest was born in New York City to British parents.

    He is the 5th Baron Haden-Guest .

    We should all drink to that, or take the 5th

  62. 62.

    MattF

    March 10, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    There should be a pair of matched posting categories: THIS IS SATIRE and THIS IS NOT SATIRE. You have to use at least one on every post– but you may use both, if necessary.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    March 10, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @Mnemosyne

    *cough* John Ashcroft *cough*

    Was also going to mention Oral Roberts University, but they now offer a major in Dance Performance,.

  64. 64.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    It seems we both got some details wrong. Christopher Guest is actually the fifth (not the thirteenth) Baron Haden-Guest (not Hayden-Guest). It is indeed a hereditary title; his dad Peter, a Briton, was the fourth Baron. Guest was active in the House of Lords until 1999, when Tony Blair’s parliamentary reforms got him (and most other hereditary lords) kicked out.

  65. 65.

    Kathleen

    March 10, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @eemom: I think that’s James Taylor.

  66. 66.

    Betty Cracker

    March 10, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Gin? Bah!

  67. 67.

    raven

    March 10, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    Inside Edition tracked down McGraw after the rally and asked him if he liked the rally. “You bet I liked it. Knocking the hell out of that big mouth,” McGraw said.

    Asked why he punched the protester, McGraw told Inside Edition, “Number one, we don’t know if he’s ISIS.”

    “We don’t know who he is, but we know he’s not acting like an American,” McGraw went on. “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.”

  68. 68.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Palin led to Trump, and thus your hope is already dashed.

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Hmm. Well, now we may need to get a constitutional lawyer involved, because I thought American citizens aren’t supposed to accept titles of nobility. Or is that only for elected officials? And isn’t there some weirdness about Americans having dual citizenship with Great Britain?

    ETA: Either way, I’m still right about Curtis — she is not herself a peer, they only call her “Baroness” to be polite. (Actually, they call her “Lady Hayden-Guest,” but anyway …

  70. 70.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Brachiator:
    Per Wikipedia, Christopher Guest’s mother is American.

  71. 71.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    March 10, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Yes he would. Peerage is illegal for Canadian citizens. That’s why Conrad Black is no longer a Canadian citizen; he renounced it to become Lord Black of Crossharbour.

  72. 72.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    March 10, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Get high on the peace train.

  73. 73.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    OK, so now I’m confused with all the taxi drivin’ stuff – were those songs wrote by Travis Bickle? Or Christopher Lloyd? Or Christopher Lloyd-Guest?

    And if they’d stop playing those bloody bouzoukis in the parody shop, Mr. Wensleydale might be able to return the parody wot passed on (not pinin’).

    And I call bullshit on the idea of Rick Scott morphing into a lizard and returning to his home planet — it’s intuitively obvious that he’d stick around, and kill/eat as many hoomans as possible.

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @raven: Justin Green ‏@ JGreenDC 25m25 minutes ago
    “Knock the crap out of them … I will pay for the legal fees” @ realdonaldtrump told his fans earlier this year

    I’m glad somebody with a better memory than me is paying close attention

    TeeVee lawyers would turn this into a million dollar verdict

  75. 75.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 10, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    @redshirt:

    Palin led to Trump, and thus your hope is already dashed.

    If you’re saying the former half-term governor accomplished something I’ll have to see a well reasoned argument before I accept that. All I’ve seen her do is grift and mostly stay out of any serious trouble.

  76. 76.

    raven

    March 10, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: In Georgia we have what are called “terroristic threats”. Don’t know about North Carolina but it’s worth looking into.

  77. 77.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 10, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I think that’s the old school Southern Baptists. I grew up as an American(northern) Baptist, we had no problem with dancing(even in the church).

  78. 78.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    March 10, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @redshirt: This isn’t satire, this is arguments. Satire is down the hall.

  79. 79.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @raven:

    Holy fuck.

  80. 80.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @SFAW: Yeah but this thread goes to 11.

  81. 81.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 10, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Well, excuuuuse me.

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    The joke about Baptists is that they’re anti-sex because it might lead to dancing.

    The (very slightly) racier version I learned is:
    Q. Why don’t Baptists make love standing up?
    A. People might see them and think they were dancing.

  83. 83.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    This isn’t satire, this is arguments. Satire is down the hall.

    No it isn’t.

  84. 84.

    MattF

    March 10, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: No it’s not.

    ETA: SFAW beat me to it.

  85. 85.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @polyorchnid octopunch:

    That may be another weird area, though — legally, is inheriting a title different than being granted a brand-new title?

    I’m assuming Guest had to become a British citizen in order to accept the title, assuming he didn’t already have dual citizenship.

    Oh, and because their two kids are adopted, they don’t get to inherit — it goes to Guest’s younger brother instead.

  86. 86.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    March 10, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @SFAW: That’s not an argument.

    You call this a court?

  87. 87.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I grew up as an American(northern) Baptist,

    As Emo would say: “Die, Heretic!”

  88. 88.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Her candidacy as potential VP legitimized Trump’s candidacy for Prez, eventually allowing all reality TV stars to run. I’d vote for Jeff Probst. Not the Jersey Shore people though.

    Maybe Reagan started it all though now that I think it through. But he seemed like an aberration until Palin.

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I dunno, I was raised Catholic, so I don’t know what you crazy Protestants get up to. We can do whatever we want as long as we tell a priest all the juicy details afterwards.
    ;-)

  90. 90.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Right! Well, I’m moving to Australia. Cat o’ nine tails etc.

  91. 91.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    It’s no weirder than an American having dual citizenship in, say, Canada.

  92. 92.

    Patricia Kayden

    March 10, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Hilarious post, Ms. Cracker. SNL needs your writing skills.
    P.S. It’s a shame when a prominent Governor cannot say that Trump was wrong to demonize all Muslims. Skeletor should be ashamed of himself.

  93. 93.

    debbie

    March 10, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    though I have no idea if he actually hates America

    He said some pretty hateful things back when he converted in the 1970s, but in a Fresh Air interview from a couple years ago, he seemed pretty regretful of his words. I guess not everyone in their 20s can be as disciplined as his critics.

  94. 94.

    raven

    March 10, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @SFAW: My exes dad was an American Baptist minister. Really great guy.

  95. 95.

    Cermet

    March 10, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @raven: That creep is beyond scary, twisted and sick -a complete stupid racist ass wipe through and through. After reading that I know far too many amerikans are truly despicable, ignorant low life’s that shame all this country should hold as moral.

  96. 96.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    We can do whatever we want as long as we tell a priest all the juicy details afterwards.

    “It’s dark in here.”
    “Don’t start that shit again!”

  97. 97.

    John Revolta

    March 10, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @SFAW: They have to go back every seven years to mate, I think.

  98. 98.

    eemom

    March 10, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I can barely stand to watch some of the right-wing actors I used to like.

    btw, Jon Voigt endorsed Trump. He’s long been off the batshit end, though, so no surprise.

    I watched Midnight Cowboy again recently. WTF happened to him??

  99. 99.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 10, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @redshirt:
    You may be right but I’m still telling myself this election is the wacky outlier and not the first toe on the greased slide leading to President Camacho.

  100. 100.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    It’s no weirder than an American having dual citizenship in, say, Canada.

    “Bienvenido en Canada”?

  101. 101.

    Benw

    March 10, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @Mnemosyne: jeez, this hereditary inheritance stuff is confusing. I’m glad my ancestors watered the Statue of Liberty with the blood of their sweat and tears so that we have freedom here in America! No copulation without representation!

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Ha! G had a friend who was desperately maintaining her British citizenship even though she’d lived here since she was a child, and there was some requirement that she own property in Great Britain. It counted that her mother still owned property there, but apparently there was some kind of scramble after her mother died to keep that property in the friend’s name so she wouldn’t lose that citizenship. This is all by memory, so I’m sure there’s some detail wrong in there somewhere.

  103. 103.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 10, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    The Daily Show did a segment about Trump’s post election “Press Conference”, refuting his claims about the steaks(haven’t been sold since 2008), wine(the website says Trump has no ownership interest), magazine(it’s a sales magazine), and water(just a label slapped on a bottle regular old water).

  104. 104.

    gogol's wife

    March 10, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I put this in the thread below, but maybe you didn’t see it — interview with LMM and Questlove in Vanity Fair.

  105. 105.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    March 10, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    And isn’t there some weirdness about Americans having dual citizenship with Great Britain?

    Nope. I’ve got dual, not with UK but nearby, and the US.

    When I first got it, on the US side they said well, it’s a “grey area”, just use the appropriate one when you enter each country (EU or US) but that was decades ago, and over the years it changed to officially okey dokey, was some sort of announcement.

  106. 106.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 10, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @SFAW: Worked for Raphael Edwardo.

  107. 107.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Gin? Bah!

    Excuse me, I didn’t realize you were a vodka woman. :-)

  108. 108.

    Amir Khalid

    March 10, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @eemom:
    Midnight Cowboy was, like, nearly fifty years ago. Anno Domini happens to us all, except maybe Mick Jagger

  109. 109.

    debbie

    March 10, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Even the Secret Service has clarified that they will maintain security, but they will not throw anyone out.

  110. 110.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 10, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Only Trump Vodka, it’s very Classy.

  111. 111.

    WereBear

    March 10, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Also, a person can be very talented in one area, but sadly deficient in others.

    I have a way with words, but cannot add numbers reliably. Something always goes wrong.

  112. 112.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: You know it’s inevitable. Just enjoy the ride.

  113. 113.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 10, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @debbie:

    Even the Secret Service has clarified that they will maintain security, but they will not throw anyone out.

    Thanks Obama!

  114. 114.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    @redshirt: Could be worse, we could get President Baud.

  115. 115.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    @Cermet:

    I know far too many amerikans are truly despicable, ignorant low life’s that shame all this country should hold as moral.

    One unfortunate fact is that even if Trump goes down in flames, his supporters will still be here. Not a pleasant thought.

  116. 116.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    @eemom: I think it was TPM today that reported that there was some serious Concern in the Cruz campaign that Chuck Norris was going to endorse someone else. I guess when all those TV pawn shops guys have given their imprimatur, you look to guys who rode Stallone’s action movie coat tails in the eighties.

  117. 117.

    debbie

    March 10, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    Wow, I had no idea that Lisa Robinson was still alive and kicking.

  118. 118.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Which makes me wonder, somewhat, who Ted Nugent is supporting. Haven’t heard anything from him this cycle.

  119. 119.

    raven

    March 10, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Felonius Monk: And they’ve always been there, fuck em.

  120. 120.

    Felonius Monk

    March 10, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Trump Vodka? Isn’t that just the rinse water from the potatoes in one of his restaurants? Phony, like everything else about him.

  121. 121.

    bluefoot

    March 10, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne: This is true. My father gave up his title when he became an American. Later when my brother was approaching his majority, there was some discussion between the relevant authorities here and in the UK about his receiving an honorary title (since my father was the last of the line), but he decided it would be too much hassle.

  122. 122.

    WereBear

    March 10, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Speaking of RWNJ actors, it gives me a sad. As a connoisseur of bad movies, some of his were treasures.

    And he was convincing in the martial arts part.

  123. 123.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @WereBear:

    but cannot add numbers reliably. Something always goes wrong

    For a second, I thought you were Paul Ryan. But then I realized that he WANTS his numbers to come out as fucked-up as they are.

  124. 124.

    JPL

    March 10, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    OT.. CSPAN is airing the important State Dinner. You can stream it here.. link

  125. 125.

    Disgruntled former Baud supporter

    March 10, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Brachiator: Parody is deceased, passed on, and gone to meet its maker…

  126. 126.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    I think I saw that in LMM’s Twitter feed, but I’ll have to track it down — thanks!

  127. 127.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Worked for Raphael Edwardo.

    Y su padre, Raphael Bienvenido.

  128. 128.

    John W.

    March 10, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: What, you float icubes in your Martini? That would be abomination.

  129. 129.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @bluefoot:

    I wonder if the rules are different if you already have dual citizenship before you inherit. Since there’s always someone who knows something on Balloon-Juice, I’m hoping a lawyer in the relevant area might stop by and enlighten us. Adam found the last survivor of the House of Stuart for me the other night, so I have faith that someone with actual knowledge will show up.

  130. 130.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 10, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter: no its not. It’s pining for the fee-yords.

  131. 131.

    Aleta

    March 10, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    @NotMax: There was that Elvis impersonator at his Vegas rally, shown in the single The Circus episode that’s free on Hulu. A minute later the camera showed a Trump impersonator. Likely they love him too.

  132. 132.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter:

    Parody is deceased, passed on, and gone to meet its maker…

    Not simply stunned, then, eh?

  133. 133.

    Ryan

    March 10, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    This post is filed under assholes. Good!

  134. 134.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    Note for future reference: never try to send anything of commercial value to Sweden. The first package I sent for work was inexplicably delayed by three days, and customs somehow misplaced the paperwork for the second package and I had to re-send it to FedEx. Yeesh.

  135. 135.

    Anya

    March 10, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @Mnemosyne: if I understand correctly, Yusuf Islam who converted first is not the same as the current Y Islam. He moderated his views a great deal after he learned a lot or was educated on Islam.

  136. 136.

    Doug R

    March 10, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Noted canadian douche and media mogul Conrad black had to give up his canadian citizenship to become Lord black, ex jailbird.

  137. 137.

    scav

    March 10, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Surrounded by this much delusion but passionate exposition about the meaning of natural born citizens and the Presidency, I doubt you really need to worry much, except in the perfected Zeus-eye view. The characters will believe what they damn well believe and surprise! it works to their advantage!

  138. 138.

    Aleta

    March 10, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    @Brachiator: that’s funny

  139. 139.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    I see from one of my news alerts that the somnolent and be-drugged Ben Carson has endorsed Trump.

    Palin, Christie, Sessions, Carson (and I’m sure others I’m forgetting). Such an impressive lineup of supporters.

  140. 140.

    daverave

    March 10, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    Speaking of celebrity endorsements, it saddened me today, as a long-time NY Yankee fan, to learn that Paul O’Neill had thrown his support to Drumpf. Johnny Damon too but that’s somewhat understandable because he lasted so long on Celebrity Apprentice several years ago.

    Feel free to dump on the Yankees now all of you haters.

  141. 141.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @scav:

    Believe me, I need to get shit like this right lest I induce a fit of potato rage in my readers (as defined by Smart Bitches, Trashy Books):

    Potato Rage: The rage that overtakes the reader when a blatant and easily researchable anachronism pops up out of nowhere. Like potatoes (a New World food) being served to a Viking. (Possibly coined and defined by Red Headed Girl in her review for Season in the Sun).

    Use the wrong aristocratic title in a historical romance and people will never let you live that shit down.

  142. 142.

    rk

    March 10, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @WereBear:

    Islamic countries have a rich cultural tradition of music and singing. Only strict Wahhabis and Taliban like fundamentalists place restrictions on it.

  143. 143.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @Doug R:

    I’m not the only one who suspects that Canada only invoked that rule so they could get rid of the guy, am I? Canadians are so much more sensible than we are.

  144. 144.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @daverave: Um, the Yankees suck?

  145. 145.

    scav

    March 10, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Well, holster the truth for Zeus level and mention it there, but don’t let it get in the way of the plot. Remind the Gentle Readers than insanity, delusion and the self-interested madness of crowds is not uniquely an modern affliction.

    ETA: Thanks for more vocab to go with scrapbooking.

  146. 146.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 10, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Could be worse. You could post something here and omit the serial comma. You’d probably have to live in a cave for the rest of your life.

  147. 147.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Not simply stunned, then, eh?

    Let’s check …

    HELLO, PARODY!! HELLOOOOO! (shouting)

    >Whack, whack sounds as parody is being slammed on the counter<

  148. 148.

    stinger

    March 10, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @Peale:

    You know you’re requesting a classy data set when the registration options includes “Sir” and “Baroness” and other titles in addition to Mr. Mrs. Ms. and Dr.

    This land-locked Iowan always checks “Admiral” if it’s offered.

  149. 149.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @JPL:

    A friend of mine who works for the Canadian Embassy is incredibly chuffed that Justin Trudeau retweeted one of her tweets today (a nice photo of Sophie and Michelle)!

  150. 150.

    SFAW

    March 10, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @stinger:

    This land-locked Iowan always checks “Admiral” if it’s offered.

    … before you set sail for that submarine base in Kansas, no doubt.

  151. 151.

    JPL

    March 10, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Nice.

  152. 152.

    Aleta

    March 10, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: They stunned him, just as he was waking up.

  153. 153.

    Calouste

    March 10, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Mnemosyne: These days, since 1963, new titles are life peerages, i.e. not inheritable. The main exception is the royal family, and there have been a few more inheritable peerages created since 1963, but to people who didn’t have heirs.

    Another trivia is that a lot of peers have multiple titles, and that the oldest son of a peer will use the next highest ranked title as his courtesy title, and his oldest son will use the third highest ranked. So for example, the Duke of Wellington has a son, who is the Marquess of Douro, and he has a son who is the Earl of Mornington. If the Earl of Mornington was to have a son before his grandfather died, that son would probably be called Viscount Wellesley

  154. 154.

    Eric S.

    March 10, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: You’re correct. Martinis are made with gin. People just serve vodka drinks in the fancy glass.

    I’m mostly joking but the one thing that gets my goat is when I order a martini (I specify my gin) and the bartender asks if I want it on the rocks. The Lady has had to lay a hand on my arm to calm me more than once.

  155. 155.

    stinger

    March 10, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @SFAW: Aye!

    Aye!

  156. 156.

    Scott Alloway

    March 10, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    Cat Stevens –
    Miles from Nowhere. Listened often to that song in 1971.

  157. 157.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @Calouste: Fuck all royalty.

  158. 158.

    Betty Cracker

    March 10, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @daverave: Maybe Trump should buy the Yankees. And you thought Steinbrenner was an insufferable prick…

  159. 159.

    gogol's wife

    March 10, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    The link is in my word “this” — it doesn’t show up very blue, though.

    ETA: Sorry, in the word “interview.”

  160. 160.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Ha! That would be perfect. He can’t afford it by himself though, but with dumb partners….

  161. 161.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @Calouste:

    Yes, and only the children of earls and higher get courtesy titles of “Lord” or “Lady” — lesser peers’ kids have to make do with getting to be “The Honourable” Miss or Mister.

    Wikipedia claims that an earl’s daughters get to be “Lady Diana” while their brothers have to be “The Honourable Mr.,” but I may need to look that up.

  162. 162.

    Mandalay

    March 10, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    Governor Scott awkwardly tried to deflect questions about whether or not Muslims hate America by repeating lines about unrelated events in Florida.

    While that is true, the far more notable aspect of the story is that he was repeatedly told to stop ducking the question, When he continued to waffle they threw him off the show and then ranted about Governor Scott being a gutless scumbag.

    That’s exactly how politicians should be treated: answer the question or we’ll cut your mike and then we’ll tell the audience that you are a worthless piece of shit.

  163. 163.

    Fair Economist

    March 10, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @rikyrah:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Major U.S. hedge fund managers are on pace this year to more than double the amount they gave in the 2012 election campaign, with independent fundraising groups backing Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton and Republican rival Ted Cruz receiving the most so far.

    About $47 million has been lavished on presidential candidates and lawmakers and the political action committees that support them

    You should dig into the details. 2/3 of the money Clinton got is from Soros. She only got 4 million from Wall Street in that report; only a small fraction of what Cruz got.

  164. 164.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @Calouste:

    Also, too, IIRC there’s a bit of family ranking even in an untitled family — only the oldest daughter gets to be plain “Miss.” So, in “Pride and Prejudice,” only Jane would be introduced as “Miss Bennett.” The rest would be “Miss Elizabeth Bennett,” “Miss Mary Bennett,” and on down the line.

  165. 165.

    redshirt

    March 10, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Fair Economist: Soros is truly the source of evil in liberaldom.

  166. 166.

    Brachiator

    March 10, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Could be worse. You could post something here and omit the serial comma.

    A serial comma killer?

  167. 167.

    jl

    March 10, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    I guess this could be satire too, but apparently it is not. The infantilization of the GOP continues apace.

    GOP hacks berate each other on TV over their chairs, and drag in some implied p * n * s jokes.

    Ex-Jeb Aide Burns Trump Supporter: ‘You’re Sitting In A Booster Chair!’ (VIDEO)
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tim-miller-andy-dean-cnn-trump

  168. 168.

    Mnemosyne

    March 10, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Calouste:

    Okay okay okay, last thing — this introduction from Wodehouse always cracks me up (as made by Bertie Wooster’s cousin Eustace):

    “By the way, you’ve never met old Dog-Face, have you? Dog-Face, this is my cousin Bertie. Lord Rainsby — Mr. Wooster.”

    (As Bertie’s Aunt Agatha informs us later in the same story, old Dog-Face is the Earl of Datchet’s son.)

  169. 169.

    Doug R

    March 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @SFAW: Admiral Kirk is from Iowa.

  170. 170.

    Eric S.

    March 10, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @daverave: With the notable exception of Dibble I think O’Neil was the biggest asshole on the 1990 Reds. No surprise on my part.

  171. 171.

    Origuy

    March 10, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Accepting an actual peerage title would mean that Curtis would lose her American citizenship.

    No. The Constitution, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 says:

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    There was a proposed amendment that would strip citizenship from American who accepted a title, but that was never ratified.
    ETA. The rules may be different if you are titled and want to become a naturalized citizen.

  172. 172.

    sherparick

    March 10, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @jl: Dumb or evil are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Given that this is the Tea Party, they should dress all their stormtroopers up in short britches and tricorn hats.

  173. 173.

    sherparick

    March 10, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @SFAW: Yes it is.

  174. 174.

    PurpleGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @Chyron HR: Cat’s in the Cradle was written by Harry Chapin. Cat Stevens covered it.

  175. 175.

    sherparick

    March 10, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @Mandalay: It would have been nice if they had kept him on the air until he completed is transformation back to his reptilian form and returned to Planet Mongo (a/k/a Florida.)

  176. 176.

    PurpleGirl

    March 10, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @daverave:

    Feel free to dump on the Yankees now all of you haters.

    In that case and in honor of Steve Gilliard — FTFY

    ETA: I miss Steve and wonder how he would have reacted to President Obama or this year’s Republican field. Goddess, could that guy write.

  177. 177.

    J R in WV

    March 10, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Mrs J grew up as an American Baptist. The schism between Southern Baptists and American Baptists derived from racial differences. IIRC the Am Baptists wouldn’t allow slave owners to go to Africa as missionaries – but it could have simpler, the Civil War etc.

    But you are quite correct about the dancing, no prob with Am Baptists to dance. Southern Baptists aren’t allowed to do anything fun that might distract from worship, and hating people who think the So. Baptists are dicks.

  178. 178.

    Paul in KY

    March 11, 2016 at 8:21 am

    @NotMax: Don’t listen to ‘Bitterblue’!!!

  179. 179.

    Paul in KY

    March 11, 2016 at 8:35 am

    @Mnemosyne: Old Regular Baptists & Freewill Baptists both frown on dancing & one of them doesn’t even have musical instruments in church. All singing is done a capella.

  180. 180.

    Paul in KY

    March 11, 2016 at 8:39 am

    @Mnemosyne: I have a dual British citizenship & own no property in GB.

    Edit: Think she was trying to keep her voting rights. One must ‘live’ in GB to be able to vote for Parliament, etc. Guess that was it.

  181. 181.

    Paul in KY

    March 11, 2016 at 8:43 am

    @daverave: Not surprising they are Repubs. Both are multi-millionaires.

  182. 182.

    Paul in KY

    March 11, 2016 at 8:44 am

    @Mnemosyne: Read a history book recently about 100 Years War & author writing about some 14th century dustup mentioned the peasants couldn’t plant their corn crops…

    I said, sheesh.

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