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  4. 4.

    patroclus

    Very proud of Chicago tonight! We just chased that Fascist right back to his hotel, No racist, bigoted rallies in Chicago! No blatant sucker-punching of African-Americans tonight!

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    What a fitting end to the day Widow Saint Reagan was laid to rest.

    Any chance any of this is Brooks Brothers riot type instigating/ratf*cking? Perhaps they helped this along …

  8. 8.

    Adam L Silverman

    @patroclus: Sure, until someone decides to take it to the streets. The smartest thing Trump could have done was to come out, demonstrate real leadership, appeal to his supporters to set a good example, and done his rally. By cancelling he ensured this would happen. He is going to be able to play martyr off of this for weeks.

  10. 10.

    sloan

    Good.

    More of this.

    Chase that loser out of town with his tail between his legs like the coward that he is.

  11. 11.

    Shana

    @Elizabelle: Not from what i’m seeing on TV. It looks like a lot of good Chicago citizens have had enough of the crap and wanted to make their presences felt. The protesters won tonight. Nice to see.

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Elizabelle: The helped along was when Mr. Trump decided to cancel. As I wrote in comment #8: The smartest thing Trump could have done was to come out, demonstrate real leadership, appeal to his supporters to set a good example, and done his rally. By cancelling he ensured this would happen. He is going to be able to play martyr off of this for weeks.

  13. 13.

    scav

    I can already see the turning dime about the anger of voters because these are the right sort of voters being the right kind of angry.

  14. 14.

    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    In the early days the NAZI party wanted violence at their rallies, it tended to draw people to the party because they could portray themselves as victims of the evil ‘other’. The parallels, I see them.

  17. 17.

    delk

    Really glad to not be on the Blue Line heading into the Racine stop (like I usually am during the morning).

  20. 20.

    patroclus

    I see the Trump “candidacy” as something to get amped up over. He wants to ban Muslims. He wants to deport millions. He calls Mexicans “rapists” and “murderers.” He incites violence against African-Americans. He repeatedly and gratuitously makes sexist comments. He wants to institute torture and target civilians. He is scum and not welcome here in Chicago.

  24. 24.

    sloan

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He sounds dumbfounded, Jim.

    Just talking in circles, sounding like an old fool who did a complete f’ing faceplant and has no idea what do do or say about it.

    Trump is not magic.

  25. 25.

    Gravenstone

    @Adam L Silverman: I see Trump is now saying he doesn’t want any more debates. Given his folding in the face of demonstrators tonight, what are the odds he soon decides he no longer wants to bother with campaign rallies either? A shining example of leadership in action.

  26. 26.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Iowa Old Lady: @BillinGlendaleCA: Of all TV talking heads, I think Tweety’s the one most likely to push back at him

    Okay I unmated. Tweety asked him why he told some guy to go get a job. “He was a nasty guy, a rude guy, swinging his fists, jumping up and down, could’ve been dangerous, a very bad dude, very dangerous”

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    NY Times: interesting op ed today by a columnist from The Guardian, Lindy West. Excerpted; whole thing (and reader comments) are worth a read.

    What are Trump Fans really “Afraid” to Say?

    The notion that Mr. Trump voices ideas that his supporters are “afraid” to express, vital truths lost to the scourge of political correctness, has been a rhetorical through-line of his campaign. Mr. Trump says exactly what he thinks, his fans gush — about immigrants, about Muslims, about women — a bygone pleasure now denied most Americans.

    It’s an odd construction. Once you say, “He says what I’m afraid to say,” and point to a man who is essentially a 24/7 fire hose of unequivocal bigotry, you’ve said what you’re afraid to say, so how afraid could you have been in the first place?

    … It’s a wild grab for plausible deniability — how can I be a white supremacist when I’m just your nice grandpa? — an artifact of a culture in which some people believe that it’s worse to be called racist than to be racist.

    Trump fans are flattering themselves if they think that, say, declining to shout slurs at black people or sexually harass female co-workers is some form of noble restraint. Not only is that a pathetically low bar, many do not seem to be clearing it.

    … It doesn’t take clairvoyance, or even tremendous mental dexterity, to see what Mr. Trump means by “make America great again.” It just takes a history book. Many of us remember what America used to be like, and don’t care to go back.

    … We cannot ignore the fact that the populist sensation of this election hasn’t been Bernie Sanders. It’s been a racist, nationalist demagogue-for-hire with no sincere ideology beyond his own vanity. Mr. Trump is a cipher; his voters love him because he does nothing but hold up a mirror to their basest prejudices and bask in the feedback loop of narcissism. They’re not “afraid”; they’re leading Mr. Trump as much as following him. They called him into being, not the other way around.

    David Gergen blabbing on about St. John McCain, and how he dealt with the “Obama is a Muslim” woman at a rally.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    some trumpeter got out his “Stomp on my flag, I’ll stomp on your ass” sweatshirt for the rally.

    Cause apparently it’s 1996 again.

  33. 33.

    LAO

    I hate to say this, but as long as “the right” people protest, the more popular he becomes with his supporters. I think that racists see it as confirmation in the righteousness of their beliefs.

  34. 34.

    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    @sloan:
    He will pull it together by tomorrow and the story will be all bout how hooligans are attacking his poor supporters and how only Drumpf can stand as a bulwark against the colored hoards demanding handouts & threatening violence. For all the things he is, stupid is not one of them.

    @smith: Yup and as mentioned above, as long as the ‘right’ people are seen protesting Drumpf becomes stronger

  36. 36.

    Adam L Silverman

    Unfortunately, based on this particular live feed coverage this seems to have now devolved into an anti-Chicago PD and police in general protest. Not that the people protesting don’t have a right to do that, but that is going to change the way this is reported out and covered.

  38. 38.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Shana: Agreed. Trump had the audacity to try to stage a rally in one of the most ethnically diverse and immigrant-dominant parts of the city. UIC students are among the most ethnically and religiously diverse in the country. It appears that the good people of Chicago objected to his message. Good on them.

    There is a definite monochromatic hue to the Trump supporters. While some might be Chicagoans, others have identified themselves as from the suburbs, rural downstate, Iowa, and Wisconsin. As Gene Wilder said in Blazing Saddles, “The salt of the earth. You know, [fill in the blank.]”

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Elizabelle: David Gergen blabbing on about St. John McCain, and how he dealt with the “Obama is a Muslim” woman at a rally.

    I wish someone would get out the video of the McCain speech where some woman in the audience yelled out “Kill him” at the mention of Obama’s name, and the old fool blinked and when on with his speech. Or just the (I think) undisputed fact that it was the McCain inner circle who told Palin to talk about Bill Ayers.

  41. 41.

    patroclus

    Credit for this belongs to the student body at UIC who have been organizing all day to stop the Fascist from speaking at UIC, a taxpayer financed facility.

  42. 42.

    Elizabelle

    @Iowa Old Lady: I was wondering there. Thank you for explanation.

    Have CNN on, which is probably bad enough. No MSNBC. Fox was covering this breathlessly …

  46. 46.

    sloan

    Trump sounds confused, not confident.

    He’s whining and changing the subject because his magical bullshit stopped working and he is not in control and had to run away.

    Really an amazing thing to witness in real time. Like peeking behind the curtain and seeing the Wizard of Oz is just a frail old man.

  47. 47.

    Helen

    So I switched over to CNN and a retired NYC cop is trying to make the point that this only happens at Trump rallies. David Gergen “respectively disagreed” and said it happens on the left too. His example? The 1968 dem convention. 48 years ago. STFU David Gergen.

  49. 49.

    jl

    TPM story says that there may have been as many protesters as Trump fans at the event.
    That would have been an interesting rally.

    It would be better if Trump had not cancelled and had appeared, or at least tried, to make some statement against prejudice and violence. But what could he have said? The nicer gentler civil Trump with presidential gravitas at the debate last night was just as aggressive, perhaps more so, on his xenophobia and divisiveness than ever, and the audience loved it.

    And Trump lied that the protesters who got ejected were violent thugs causing trouble. Well, for his racist fans, I guess a bunch of African-American kids sitting quietly in a rally audience was just in itself causing trouble. That is how they think. Not sure what Trump could have said that would have been useful

    But now we may have a new urban flash game of citizen action to shut down Trump rallies. That is what cancelling it did.

    Trump Cancels Chicago Rally Amid Security Concerns
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-cancels-chicago-rally-security

  53. 53.

    Gravenstone

    Way the fuck off topic, but it looks like Keith Emerson killed himself. What a fucked up year, and still going…

  56. 56.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I first became aware of Trump’s twitter when he was having one of his fights with a New York magazine writer named Dan Amira. It was the usual “no talent” “terrible’ “nobody reads”, then Amira just tweeted “Your wife is waiting for you to die”. Trump went nuclear. And I laughed. I’m chuckling now remembering.

  57. 57.

    patroclus

    Trump is lying. There were/are far more anti-Fascists there than his usual sucker-punching racist supporters. Chicago ain’t North Carolina.

  58. 58.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    Bravo to the protesters. Note, however, that Matthew Dowd, who has had a pretty good read on Trump since this nightmare started, speculated that it would only end up helping him and serve to rally GOP voters to him. Trump will play the victim, claiming leftist goons are preventing his supporters from exercising their First Amendment rights. In fact, he’s doing that right now on MSNBC—with almost no challenge from the obsequious Chris Matthews.

  62. 62.

    condorcet runner up

    @delk: so what you’re saying is that we are in the last act of police academy 1?

    All kidding aside, this stuff is crazy. As others have said, it seems like a lot of bad energy that’s been pent up in all the wrong people is getting unleashed. I can’t even fathom how people can be walking around this amped up all the time, but now they have someone telling them it’s okay to take it all out “on your enemies.” Yet that’s just the problem isn’t it? Fellow citizens (and guests) aren’t supposed to be enemies. I’m glad our town showed him the boot.

    But I’m not looking forward to the next few days of Trump supporters misapplying the 1st amendment …

  63. 63.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    Sure enough, I’m starting to see the GOPers in my Twitter feed (I like to monitor enemy communications) rally to Trump’s side, saying that it’s wrong to disrupt and shut down a political rally.

  64. 64.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Helen: Houk? He’s a tool. I have no idea why CNN books him or that former Reagan Admin staffer Larry Jones. Other than to spout obviously racist and inaccurate stuff.

  65. 65.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    No, Rachel, it didn’t start with comments about immigrants. It started with Birtherism, and he was embraced by the oh-so-respectable Willard Romney precisely because of it.

  66. 66.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @delk: 14 years in the West Loop? You saw a lot of changes during that time. I was there for 8 years. Moved to rural New Mexico last summer, for a radical change of pace.

  69. 69.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Adam L Silverman: He worked for Reagan and Clinton, and is therefore th living incarnation of BothSides. To say nothing of that deep voice and paternal/high school principal affect.

    The only thing that’s surprised me more, as I have become more and more of a political junkie, than how close to the surface and widespread racism is, is how much Daddy issues dominate our political media.

  70. 70.

    Woodrowfan

    the righties are already claiming “left-wing totalitarians” are attacking Trump’s 1st Amendment rights. this is going to be a violent election.

  72. 72.

    oldgold

    Trump is a sociopathic a-hole, but I do not support efforts to shutdown political speech. This will backfire on the left.

  76. 76.

    delk

    @O. Felix Culpa: Yeah, a lot of changes. Some of the huge changes now are all around the new Morgan stop on the Green line. Google finally opened up their HQ there.

    When we moved in we couldn’t get cabs to take us home!

  77. 77.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    @Woodrowfan: Exactly. I’m seeing the same thing in the GOPers I follow on Twitter. Lots of comments to the effect that it’s wrong to try to disrupt and shut down a political rally. You have to wonder whether Trump scheduled this Chicago rally hoping it would end this way, and allow him to play the victim to radical left wing commissars.

  79. 79.

    Elizabelle

    Don’t like the tone CNN is taking. Blaming the left for the disruption. They’re all about law and order.

    Acting like it is Trump, personally, who has called this forth. Whereas he is actually just serving up what he’s noticed his audience is famished for. He did not create them. It is the other way around.

    And MSM fanned the fire. CNN and NBC and MSNBC have given Trump more airspace than I would have ever thought possible.

  81. 81.

    Mary G

    The Tribune saw a little girl opposing Trump with a sign that said :We Shall Overcomb.”

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    David Gergen is acting like Trump is this outlier. Total denial about why it is he is leading in delegate and filling stadiums. Some is titillation, but this is the Republican party the Republicans have built, year after year after year.

    Who was joking about all the dog whistling, and suddenly they’re asking “hey, why are all these dogs here?”

  85. 85.

    O. Felix Culpa

    Galisteo. About 20 miles southeast of Santa Fe. Not far from Las Vegas, relatively speaking.

  86. 86.

    Adam L Silverman

    @TaMara (BHF): What happened? I saved a pair of steaks earlier tonight, but didn’t think of taking pictures. The person I asked to place them in some water to thaw them didn’t put them in a ziploc baggy first. So they went in the water in plastic wrap only. They came out looking grey and soggy and unappetizing. I patted them dry, salted them heavily, and wrapped them each, individually in paper towels and stuck them in the fridge. An hour later they were back to being red and appetizing looking with firm flesh.

    Don’t tell Hillary R…

  90. 90.

    nutella

    One thing that particularly bothers me about Trump and Bundy fans is that so many of them complain that any restriction on them, including arresting them for felonies, is SO different from the coddling that the vicious violent Ferguson protesters got. It’s so stunningly wrong but that’s the crap they’ve been fed by Fox and CNN and friends. Almost all the violence in Ferguson was a police riot (like Chicago 1968) but huge numbers of idiots are completely sure it was those terrible violent black people attacking the good and perfect police officers and getting away with it.

    Even the ones who aren’t over the edge into sovereign citizen garbage, the ones who seem like such nice wholesome middle class white folks are spouting this sh*t about black protesters having more rights than they do.

    Scary stuff.

  91. 91.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Elizabelle: Gergen is a consigliere to power and to administrations of both parties for almost forty years. His only interest is protecting his status and accept and position and the status quo.

  92. 92.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    @Elizabelle: No way. He’s in this to win. At least win the GOP nomination. And I think his political instincts (which have been pretty go so far, at least in terms of what GOP voters want) are probably telling him that he can use this to his advantage, playing the victim to left wing goons who are trying to silence his patriotic supporters. And the mainstream media will give him lots of free air time to make his case, just before the primaries that will give him an effective lock on the nomination.

  93. 93.

    LAC

    @LAO: you know what I do not give one fucking shit about? What the racists that circle this orange tinged buffoon think or feel about pushback. What we need is more folks out there letting this asshole know that he is not welcome. And that includes the dithery hand wringing members of the BJ community. You forget who the goddamn current President of the United States is and who the attorney General is. We should be applauding these young people instead of doing the ” here’s how you properly protest” like it is some goddamn TED podcast.

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Gergen is exactly the type of pundit who should never be allowed to talk about Trump without being forced to explain what Trumpeters mean when they say they like Trump because he’s “not politically correct”

    So is Brokaw, whom I bring up to ask: Did I see him giving a eulogy for old whatshername out in California?

  95. 95.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    @Elizabelle: Gergen is a fool if he thinks this is in any way going to hurt Trump. In fact, it will probably help lock up the nomination for him.

  96. 96.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Elizabelle: Because shouting is just like sucker-punching and manhandling people at rallies. Satisfies the MSM’s “both sides do it”requirement.

  99. 99.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I really like the name “David,” and it pains me very much that it’s shared by three of the worst both-siders ever: Broder, Brooks, and Gergen.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I think Hayes, assuming I understand him, is being too optimistic here

    Christopher HayesVerified account
    ‏@ chrislhayes
    This is like ’68, but with the silent majority on the other side.

  102. 102.

    Elizabelle

    Trump on CNN by phone, complaining that “our freedom of speech was violated, totally.” Sounding reasonable.

    Talking about “this is a divided country” and pivots to talking about unemployment, not enough jobs.

    CNN: do you think that caused the scuffle tonight?

    Trump does. African American youth have a 95% unemployment rate.

    CNN asks about the tone Trump has set; is he responsible?

    Trump: no.

  104. 104.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I heard him (didn’t watch, but listened to bits and pieces of funeral coverage). Both in his eulogy and in an interview/pundit thing afterwards on MSNBC, he sounded … well, I’m not sure there’s a nice way to put his, but he sounded drunk out of his gourd.

    As for Andrea Mitchell, I almost had to pull over and barf on the side of the road. Obsequiousness, thy name is Mrs. Greenspan.

  105. 105.

    Adam L Silverman

    @SiubhanDuinne: It means commander, or so they think. It is a biblical Hebrewization of the Semitic dawidu/davidu meaning commander. They linguists and biblical archeologists think it was actually the military title for the biblical David and his name was really Elhanan, which means God is good in biblical Hebrew

  106. 106.

    LAO

    @LAC:

    you know what I do not give one fucking shit about? What the racists that circle this orange tinged buffoon think or feel about pushback. What we need is more folks out there letting this asshole know that he is not welcome. And that includes the dithery hand wringing members of the BJ community. You forget who the goddamn current President of the United States is and who the attorney General is. We should be applauding these young people instead of doing the ” here’s how you properly protest” like it is some goddamn TED podcast.

    Exactly what about my comment makes you think: (1) I don’t support the protesters or (2) that I think there is a proper way to protest?

    Trump is a piece of shit and his supporters are worse. My dismay, which you dismiss as “dithery hand wringing” is directed at my realization that the protests makes him more popular. It’s an indictment of this country, not those fighting his message.

    But hey, if you want to direct your outrage at me, go right ahead.

  108. 108.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    @Elizabelle: He’s going to us this to his advantage, and the mainstream media will give him lots of free air time to make his case.

  110. 110.

    patroclus

    Well, it was the “silent majority” until today. After Chicago, I don’t think we’re going to be so silent. If the Muslim-banning, sucker-punching, Fascistic, millions deporting, Latino-demonizing, race-baiting “candidate” tries another rally in a Chicago taxpayer-funded facility, he’ll get the same reaction.

  111. 111.

    Elizabelle

    “Unbelievably abusive” protestors, per Trump. He feels “overwhelmingly, we’ve been very mild with protestors.” Says his St. Louis event attracted a few protestors.

    CNN host pressing on whether Trump’s tone is causing violence.

  113. 113.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Katy Tur, MSNBC political reporter, talking about the anger and unrest that hasn’t been recognized or acknowledged in this country.

    I know she’s young, but the Tea Baggers are not a remote phenomenon.

  116. 116.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    I keep wondering whether Trump set up this Chicago event with the full expectation that he would probably have to cancel it. And then he could use the forced cancellation as a cudgel to go after leftist totalitarians who are trying to silence him, and thereby rally even more of the GOP to his side.

  118. 118.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    As for Andrea Mitchell, I almost had to pull over and barf on the side of the road. Obsequiousness, thy name is Mrs. Greenspan.

    I don’t want to sound ageist here, but isn’t it about time she retired to spend more time with her cryptkeeper?

  119. 119.

    Baud

    @Elizabelle: I’m watching Rachel right now, but the network has been going downhill fast.

    If Hillary does win the presidency, I can see the suits at MSNBC going full time with the Hillary hate.

  120. 120.

    LAC

    @LAO: don’t go there. You are worried that the idiots that circle around him will be more committed to him. NEWSFLASH! They are! This is an indictment of some of this country. Silence and hand wringing is complicity. Me making this palatable to prevent BJ folk having the vapours is not the issue. Get angry at the trump assholes that are shitting on this country.

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    @Baud: I think the suits at MSNBC are going to try to stop Hillary from ever becoming president. They are vile.

    And, tee hee, D. Trump is upbraiding CNN for showing hour-old footage to look like the disturbance is still going on.

  122. 122.

    The Other Chuck

    And once again, the right wing unleashes its ultimate weapon: constant, shrill, high-pitched whining. Sack up, combover.

  125. 125.

    Elizabelle

    @SiubhanDuinne: Brokaw drunk out of his gourd. Wunderbar. Maybe I’ll check out C-Span footage over the weekend. Maybe.

    He and the Reagans go back to RWR’s governorship.

    Brokaw was my favorite anchor, back when I was an innocent and thought he was just a straight shooter. But liked them all, Brinkley and Jennings and Huntley, and Cronkite …

  129. 129.

    LAO

    @LAC: once again, don’t presume to tell me what I think. And if you think calling me a collaborator is compelling or persuasive, news flash it’s not.

  131. 131.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    @TaMara (BHF): He’s done pretty well so far, and I don’t think we should chalk it up to just good luck. The man may be vulgar and totally ignorant about public policy, but he knows how to manipulate the media. He’s been doing it all his life. It’s what he’s good at.

  135. 135.

    CarolDuhart2

    This isn’t 1968, folks. People forget that 1968 was cultural and social upheaval on all fronts, which terrified a majority 90+ % White America. Drugs, a very unpopular war, the Black Panthers, the Weathermen. Nixon was able to barely capitalize on t his stuff because despite his dog whistles, he was a plausible President, and he could draw on folks angry about integration. There were massive riots that burned down neighborhoods, a war that was going sour.

    2015. White America (the reactionary part) is feeling anxious about its loss of dominance. 78% and dropping. No real domestic upheaval to draw on. The reactionaries that would side with Trump are already Republicans, so the backlash in baked in anyway. Where are the dem to republican converts due to a rally that doesn’t even have an overturned car going to come from, anyway.

    We liberals need to stop being scared of our shadows when it comes to protest.

  137. 137.

    Elizabelle

    Faint praise for David Gergen: he explicitly pointed out the massive crowds that Obama and other Dem politicians drew (Sanders? I forget), and that this kind of stuff does not go on at them.

    Kudos, David.

  139. 139.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @CarolDuhart2:

    We liberals need to stop being scared of our shadows when it comes to protest.

    The key though is to make THEM look bad; it takes thought, planning, and restraint.

  142. 142.

    zzyzx

    The real winner is Clinton. The Nancy Reagan thing was a bizarre unforced error that I still don’t understand. A minor thing but weird and off putting. It could have become a thing over the weekend and been an issue on Tuesday. However, who wants to cover an esoteric fight when you can have people in the streets?

  143. 143.

    LAO

    @LAC: I have no idea what that means. I hope that (1) protestors follow Trump for the rest of his life and (2) that his failed attempt to win the presidency ruins him financially (since that’s all he cares about).

  145. 145.

    Elizabelle

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Black and white, with static, and a UHF dial, and a test tube pattern late at night …

    I guess we were a Huntley and Brinkley family. I watched the evening news more than my parents did, from first or second grade on. Fascinated with it.

    I asked them for a record of the Huntley and Brinkley theme. (Uh, Beethoven’s Fifth, but I’d not heard of him yet …)

  146. 146.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: I thought we were CIA plants working out of the Pentagon basement. It is getting very hard to keep my cover story straight!

  147. 147.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yes, was familiar with the name origin (I have a cousin with that name). Love this stuff.

    My own name יְהוּדִית means “praised one,” which I expect amuses people who know me (also, more literally, means “woman from Judea”).

  149. 149.

    patroclus

    Bernie’s in Summit, Illinois tonight and he’s really fired up! It’s like he’s responding to the events in Chicago and the forced cancellation of the Fascist rally. “We’re not going to insult women. We’re not going to insult Muslims. We’re not going to insult Hispanics!

  151. 151.

    Elizabelle

    This has got to be catnip to cable news.

    They’re all rooting for Altamont. They’ll never admit it.

  153. 153.

    raven

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    n March of 1970 a campus Moratorium set off a spark of discourse which lead to radical changes on the HWS campus. The main focus of the Moratorium, a discussion on the continued existence of the Air Force R.O.T.C. on campus, lead to the closure of the program as well as a series of academic overhauls in the college curriculum. Concurrently Thomas Tongyai, known as Tommy the Traveler, arrived in Geneva and infiltrated the S.D.S. group on campus and taught two students how to make the firebombs that would be used to immolate the R.O.T.C. office in Sherrill Hall. These two students were arrested and faced charges of arson, eventually pleading guilty to a lesser charge. It was eventually exposed that Tommy was an undercover agent for the Ontario County Sheriff’s office when a drug raid lead by Tommy was undertaken by the Geneva police department on the HWS campus. However, before arrested students could be taken away by the police a student riot broke out comprising of over half the student body leading to eventual further arrests and trials of students, faculty, and the college itself.

  156. 156.

    Gravenstone

    @LAC: What the fuck? Are you a goblow sock puppet? You’ve got the same dismissive and condescending patter down to a T.

  158. 158.

    LAO

    @Adam L Silverman: lmao. According to the sovcit, I’m satan and here, apparently I’m a collaborator. No one has ever accused me of silent handwringing before. Lol. On the other hand, I can see you as a CIA plant. ?

  159. 159.

    Elizabelle

    @efgoldman: Facts. They are so damned inconvenient some times.

    In other matters: how is Mrs. ef? Should drop her a note. Very sorry to hear of her sister’s loss. That would be awful.

  163. 163.

    magurakurin

    @patroclus:

    “We’re not going to insult women. We’re not going to insult Muslims. We’re not going to insult Hispanics!

    but Hillary Clinton…definitely gonna insult her.

    Is it just me, or is Bernie Sanders going really negative? I think I must be a bad person, because I’m really kind of starting to hate Bernie Sanders. I mean, you can’t spell Sanders without Nader…and I really, really hope he isn’t planning on going there. But this rally in Illinois…I don’t know anymore.

  164. 164.

    LAO

    @efgoldman: I’m not suggesting we should not protest. I’m not suggesting he isn’t a horrible, racist, piece of shit. It was merely an expression of my dismay, that he is purposely using the protest to gin up his supporters.

  165. 165.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Elizabelle:

    Yes, I’m the same. Huntley & Brinkley were terrific in the day, as were Jennings and Cronkite. I even have fond memories of John Cameron Swayze :-)

    I can remember liking Brokaw, but those days now seem very remote. He used to do righteous rants against the “bottom-line” mentality of the corporations that were starting to take over broadcast networks in the ’80s, closing bureaus and foreign desks right and left, and basing all their “news” coverage on profitability. But sadly, it wasn’t long before he himself sold out for a cushy salary and pension, and he has leveraged his former reputation into a never-ending gig on cable. It’s really sad; he needs to retire gracefully to his penthouse apartment in NYC and his ranch in whichever Dakota it is, and just not express opinions for pay any more. (I’m fine with having him deliver eulogies for former First Ladies. Looking forward to his remarks for Barbara Bush.)

  166. 166.

    Elizabelle

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Really? What Stones songs does he play?

    Assuming it’s not Sympathy for the Devil or Paint it Black or Monkey Man.

    ETA: Tonight’s soundtrack could be Street Fighting Man.

    The Stones have anything to say about the short-fingered vulgarian using their tunes?

  170. 170.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Iowa Old Lady: They might have, if the price was right. MS licensed “Start Me Up” for Win95. OTOH, Trump’s probably too cheep to actually pay, so I bet they’re pissed.

  172. 172.

    Gravenstone

    And Cruz takes the opportunity to shiv The Donald, talking about how the culture of a campaign starts with the candidate. Clear implication that the violent response of his supporters is due to Trump’s rhetoric. Nicely done, you theofacist fusckstain.

  174. 174.

    Elizabelle

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Looking forward to his remarks for Barbara Bush.

    You delivered that with velvet gloves.

    She’s probably just glad to have outlived Mrs. R. Wish some juicy stories would surface now …

  175. 175.

    Amir Khalid

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    (I’m fine with having him deliver eulogies for former First Ladies. Looking forward to his remarks for Barbara Bush.)

    I probably shouldn’t say this, but I wouldn’t blame you if you were also looking forward to the occasion for Tom Brokaw to have an eulogy to deliver for BarBush.

  177. 177.

    Elizabelle

    CNN has a new insane blonde conserva-chick pundit. Kayleigh something. She’s certifiable.

  179. 179.

    Mike in NC

    @efgoldman: Lifelong Republican Tom Brokaw gushes over Nancy Reagan. He was also one of the Gipper’s biggest fans in the MSM. Your liberal media in action.

  182. 182.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Elizabelle: I heard “Mother’s Little Helper” in the background of the interview with the old dude who threw the elbow at the black kid being led out.

    ETA: @Iowa Old Lady: I may sit corrected, I’m a Beatles fan.

  183. 183.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam, real leadership, trump, and demonstrate all in the same sentence? Perhaps you’d like to share your hallucinogen? Asking for a friend.

  185. 185.

    Kay

    Favorability among Hispanics, according to Gallup:
    Clinton +33
    Sanders +19
    Rubio +6
    Kasich +1
    Cruz -4
    Trump -65

    Is that the lowest ever recorded? Maybe! :)

  187. 187.

    FEMA Camp Counselor

    @LAO:

    Is accusing people of being a plant the new “go fuck yourself”? I’m seeing that pop up a lot these days.

  188. 188.

    cmorenc

    Of course, Fox News was presenting the protesters as the ones initiating the chaos and violence at tonight’s cancelled Trump rally, and went out of their way to point out that many of the young protesters were chanting “Bernie, Bernie”, although none of the commentators said the Bernie-chanters were the ones initiating fights with Trump supporters. They just threw the Bernie thing out there to somehow make it stick by association.

    I was able to simultaneously follow an adjacent TV turned to CNN – who were reporting it was the Trump supporters initiating physical confrontations with protesters, and commenting about Trump’s role in inciting his supporters. In other words, while showing essentially identical images of the rally crowd and some of the confrontations, it was as if CNN and Fox were respectively commenting on an event simultaneously happening in two different parallel universes that were nearly mirror-reversed during this incident.

  191. 191.

    Kay

    @cmorenc:

    Except Bernie’s having a peaceful, giant rally in Illinois that he started by telling his supporters not to hate anyone.

    Other than that. FOX got it exactly right.

  193. 193.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @cmorenc:

    it was as if CNN and Fox were respectively commenting on an event simultaneously happening in two different parallel universes that were nearly mirror-reversed during this incident

    Same as it ever was, same as it ever was…

  194. 194.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Elizabelle: We were a Huntley Brinkley family too and probably had the same model television, complete with rabbit ears. But my early self preferred Bach to Beethoven.

  195. 195.

    oldgold

    @raven:
    No, unlike you, after Calamity Jane tossed me, I came back and fought the bagger nonsense every day.

    I like your direct style. I am not offended by coarse language or strong opinions that differ from mine.

  196. 196.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Jonathan Chait ‏@ jonathanchait 11m11 minutes ago Virginia, USA
    Jonathan Chait Retweeted Irin Carmon
    This is why the rot is so deep inside the Republican Party, the healthy elements can’t be separated from the sick
    –Irin Carmon @ irin
    –And then Rubio blames Obama for dividing America along the lines of race, gender, haves and have nots.

    ETA: like Trump’s endless bleating about “political correctness”, this divisive nonsense is something I wish Villagers would push back on

  198. 198.

    Amir Khalid

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    Keith lives most of the year in Connecticut with his American wife, but he is still a Briton and The Rolling Stones are still a British band. And for over fifty years they have carefully avoided any public involvement in partisan politics even in Britain. I doubt they would be pleased to be dragged into American politics.

  199. 199.

    Kay

    Cruz calls tonight’s violence in Chicago a “predictable consequence” of Trump’s rhetoric and posture toward protestors.

    Cruz sees an opening. Maybe he’s right. He’s the only one of them who has actually beaten Trump. He seems to be better at this than the rest of them.

  201. 201.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @efgoldman: I’m sure you’ll sufficiently spoil the little tyke just in time to hand her off to mom and dad. The kid does that with her neice. I’ve warned her that his may be a bad idea and that her sister will return the favor.

  202. 202.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    @sloan:

    “Oh – You’re a very bad man!”

    “Oh, no my dear. I’m a very good man. I’m just a very bad Wizard.”

    After his wizard act falls, Trump proves not a very good man, unlike our Professor Marvel.

  204. 204.

    moops

    @oldgold:

    This was a Political Rally. It is almost the definition of the correct place to stage a protest.

    I have to give it to the folks there. Staging a protest with this crowd showing up was a very dangerous protest, but also essential.

    But standing up to this rhetoric is necessary. Now, and always.

    leaving them in peace to hold their rally is silence.

  205. 205.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    I have never seen it at any political rally I have ever attended. Chicago is just one of the violent rallies Trump had today. St Louis was insane too.

    The contrast with Bernie’s smiley youngs arrayed behind him is huge.

  207. 207.

    raven

    @oldgold: I was banned and had no intention of returning under an alternate email. People are still posting on the Southern Dragon’s Facebook by the way.

  208. 208.

    Richard Mayhew

    Trump is probably going to have a rally within pissing distance of my office within the next three weeks. Time to work from home as soon as it is announced.

  209. 209.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Heh, nicely played.

    O/T, I may possibly be coming through NoVa in late-ish April (will be in touch with Elizabelle about dates). Any chance you will be around then for a possible BJ meet up?

  214. 214.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Junior Villager, Libertarian and I think Republican Josh Barro has the same question I do, so I don’t think that it’s that I’m not paying attention.

    Josh Barro ‏@ jbarro 1m1 minute ago
    I would actually like to see conservatives answer this question. What are the “divisive” acts from Obama to which Trump is the successor?
    What exactly is Obama supposed to have done that divided America so horribly? Raised taxes to create an entitlement program?
    Josh Barro ‏@ jbarro 4m4 minutes ago
    Josh Barro Retweeted Paul Waldman
    This makes me so fucking angry. It is such an insult to our country. Josh Barro added,
    –Paul Waldman @ paulwaldman1
    –Watch for all the conservative hot takes on how this is all Obama’s fault for being so divisive.

    ETA: @Kay: I’d say Cruz is outclassing Rubio, but I’d say before he goes to his room in whatever Hampton Inn he’s camping out in tonight, Cruz will match Rubio

  215. 215.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    “This could cost [Trump] the nomination,” Gergen says of tonight’s violence. But says if he shows positive leadership it could help him.

    OMFG, delusional. “Positive leadership”

  216. 216.

    FEMA Camp Counselor

    @moops:

    Agreed. I can understand the fear of a backlash, but I think some people insisting this dooms us are being way to neurotic for there own good. This guy needs to be stood up to.

  221. 221.

    Baud

    @Kay:

    But says if he shows positive leadership it could help him.

    And if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.

  224. 224.

    pluky

    @I Am Not Jon Snow: Finally! I’ve been reading down the comment thread to see if anyone else has already gone there.

    The technical term I believe is ‘agitprop’. However called, it’s straight out of Goebbel’s playbook.

  226. 226.

    Technocrat

    Man, I am not looking forward to this asshole coming to Pennsylvania. I’m more than a little worried that if he goes to Philly my 19-yr old daughter might protest. And if he comes to Pittsburgh I have to navigate crowds of brownshirts downtown.

    Maybe I send an anonymous note inviting him to Centralia. Hmmm.

  227. 227.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Obama, today, mocking Trump:

    President Barack Obama on Friday, weighing in on the controversial candidacy of Donald Trump, ridiculed the so-called “Republican establishment” for being “shocked” by the billionaire’s rise to presidential frontrunner.
    Trump, Obama said, is a monster they created.
    “Now all of a sudden they’re shocked that there’s gambling going on in the establishment,” Obama said at a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee. “What’s happening in this primary is just a distillation of what’s been happening in their party for more than a decade.”
    Obama also recalled his own run-ins with Trump, who questioned a few years ago whether Obama was eligible to be president due to his birthplace.
    “This is the guy who was sure that I was born in Kenya, who just won’t let it go, and all this same Republican establishment, they we’re saying nothing,” Obama said. “As long as it was directed at me, they were fine with it. It was a hoot.”

    He’ll be good at that.

  228. 228.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @efgoldman: My father bought his sister’s kids ukuleles when they were kids and drove his sister nuts; when I came along my aunt returned the favor and bought me a drum set.

  229. 229.

    oldgold

    @moops:
    Of course, they have the right to protest.

    What I do not support is conduct designed to prevent him from meaningfully making his speech.

    In my opinion is this will strengthen him and weaken the forces, of which I am a member, opposed to him.

  233. 233.

    hamletta

    Rubio now saying it’s Trump’s fault his rallies are violent: “No violence at my events, no violence at Cruz events, at Sanders events, at Clinton events….”

  234. 234.

    Miss Bianca

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    “There is a definite monochromatic hue to the Trump supporters. While some might be Chicagoans, others have identified themselves as from the suburbs, rural downstate, Iowa, and Wisconsin. As Gene Wilder said in Blazing Saddles, “The salt of the earth. You know, [fill in the blank.]” ”

    White Chicagoans : /

    Lived there for 10 years, and maannn…I didn’t think it was possible for a city to be more racist than Detroit. I was wrong. At least, the Chicago cops were definitely more racist than the Detroit cops.

  235. 235.

    FEMA Camp Counselor

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m all for that, but I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. There’s no reason protests can’t occur alongside voter mobilization, even if quite a few people who hang around in those circles seem to miss that.

  237. 237.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @efgoldman:

    I have occasionally been tempted to go over to Athens and just drive around, up one street and down the next, until I see something that looks as though it might be Raven’s house. But then I think better of it, and it seems stalkerish, so I don’t.

    Still, from the photos he’s posted, his house seems really neat.

  243. 243.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @oldgold:

    What I do not support is conduct designed to prevent him from meaningfully making his speech.

    What actually gives him the right here to make his speech? That he booked the hall in a public university and invited the public?

    Frankly, the Dem side — at least, the white middle-class side — could do with a little bit of a kick up the arse here about the Drumpf bullshit juggernaut.

  244. 244.

    Kay

    @hamletta:

    Rubio now saying it’s Trump’s fault his rallies are violent: “No violence at my events, no violence at Cruz events, at Sanders events, at Clinton events….”

    He’s so weak, though. He waits to see what he’s supposed to say.

  245. 245.

    Elizabelle

    Marco Rubio. Sounding all reasonable.

    Someone. Give that man a job.

    That he will show up for.

  247. 247.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    My favourite kind of crossword. The grid looks a bit different from the typical American grid, and all the definitions rely on elaborate wordplay — puns, double meanings, anagrams, words beheaded and curtailed and inserted in other words, and so forth. It takes a bit of getting used to but if you enjoy fooling around with the English language JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, the cryptic style is the way to go. The Times, Telegraph, and Guardian all have daily cryptics, and in this country you can pick up any copy of GAMES/WORLD OF PUZZLES magazine and find always two or three cryptics, with helpful instructions for newcomers.

  256. 256.

    Stacy

    @Kay: Right because none of the candidates would say that at the debate. They would not condemn the violence. They were waiting to see who would do it first.

  258. 258.

    Technocrat

    @hamletta:

    Wow, Rubio compared him unfavorably to Sanders and Clinton?? Daaaamn.

    He’s going to be walking that bit back. He can blame the programmer.

  260. 260.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @raven: Did you post at FDL as ‘raven’, or do I have to recalibrate rapidly?

  265. 265.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Amir Khalid:

    I have to say, even with what we know about the long-standing antipathy between Bar and Nancy (thanks to Anne Laurie for bringing me up to speed on that last weekend!), I truly was surprised that Barbara Bush didn’t attend the funeral today. She’s the oldest of the living former FLOTUSes (FLOTI?) but is only a couple of years older than Rosalynn Carter. Makes me wonder a bit about Poppy’s health — she may not want to be far from his side — and whether we may be in for another round of Presidential hagiography before the year is much further along.

  270. 270.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’ve suspected for a while that Our Father Who Art in Houston may be in more fragile health than the media is led to believe.

  271. 271.

    patroclus

    The race-baiting Fascist chickened out and chose not to speak – he was not “prevented” from speaking. Like others have suggested, he could have turned this to his advantage by appearing and pointedly de-inciting violence. He didn’t do that. To suggest that he was “prevented” from speaking is inaccurate. But posters can hand wring if they want so long as they vote for Hillary or Bernie. It’s okay if they don’t like protests and peaceable assembly and would prefer only to vote. I like protests AND voting.

  276. 276.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @patroclus: Protesting is fine, just be smart about it. You want the news to be about how absurd the other side is, not you.

  280. 280.

    oldgold

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Yes, that is a big difference. And, in my mind the answer is a close call.

    I heard ‘some’ declaring success because the event was cancelled. That expressed, I understand, informed individuals, operating in good faith, could argue it round or flat.

  281. 281.

    Gravenstone

    @LAC: Oh, I am cut to the quick by your snappy rejoinder. I’ll just file you with the other holier than thou purity ponies stalking the halls here.

  283. 283.

    patroclus

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Agreed, but sometimes the protest is not solely about how “the news” will portray it. Race-baiting, violence-inciting, sucker-punching, millions deporting, Muslim-hating, sexism and Latino-demonizing needs to be confronted.

  285. 285.

    I Am Not Jon Snow

    @pluky: The Trump Chicago rally was a staged PR stunt. According to the Chicago PD, Trump was never there, and he didn’t bother to consult them before cancelling the rally. And they never advised him to cancel the event. Trump set this thing up with the expectation that he would get this kind of response, and that he could spend the weekend playing the victim and posing as a defender of free speech. Fox news tonight is nothing more than a Trump informercial (even more than usual).

  288. 288.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    @Technocrat: Smouldering, community-destroying noxious gas eruptions which break out into blazes on the surface, amidst an almost-normal scene with an eerie, off-putting feel?

    Is there such a thing as a too-perfect metaphor?

  292. 292.

    MazeDancer

    Rachel played a clip of every violence inciting moment Trump has screeched at his rallies in chronological order. She really drove home the point of how Trump is inciting violence on purpose as an election tactic. A “strongman” approach favored by demagogues.

    Remember, she covered Bridgegate and Flint poisoning when no other media cared. May she continue with “Trump did this on purpose”.

    Trump plays “You Can’t Always Get Want You Want” at his rallies. Which seems an odd choice.

    I have been humming “Power to the People” all night. Felt appropriate. Here tis if you’d like to sing along.

  296. 296.

    moops

    @patroclus:

    Yes. There is a a direct effect on people that is not mediated by the reporters and TV personalities. If Trump can hold a public political rally and whip up nationalistic fervor and have everyone leave him in peace then it just reinforces his power.

    Even when he loses the election we will have allowed a dangerous idiot far too much patience. Yes. the reporters will call you thugs, just like Ferguson. The story finally changed, and finally became balanced, but it is protest that pulls the media, not the other way around.

    Kicking out all the Muslims is horrific and offensive and a person on a stage saying such things should be yelled at.

  297. 297.

    Kay

    If Donald Trump can’t stand up to the scruffy millennials, how can stand up to ISIS?

    Josh Marshall. Very funny. “Scruffy” people can’t be threatening :)

  306. 306.

    patroclus

    @moops: Thanks! I’m glad someone agrees with me. And, I’m watching the local news here in Chi-town and they appear to be covering the issue appropriately; noting that it was staged by the protestors (primarily UIC students) and that they clearly outnumbered the Trump supporters and that violence only started occurring when it was announced that Trump had chickened out. They have also pointed out that Republicans generally know better than to stage a rally in Chicago – they almost always go to the Collar Counties, where they are likely to be better received. But Trump doesn’t know that and tried to stage a hate rally at UIC, of all places.

  310. 310.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Miss Bianca: You have a point about Chicago cops. Laquan McDonald is one sad example among many. I don’t know enough about Detroit cops to compare.

    White Chicagoans are not uniformly one thing or the other. There are racist enclaves, and there are folks who practice radical inclusion. So, a mixed bag.

  316. 316.

    Kay

    @debbie:

    judicial legislating as he conceded, but still!

    The black- robed tyrants on the bench. Do conservatives still say that? I think it’s Bush II era.

    It doesn’t really work for a county common pleas judge anyway. Not TERRIFYING enough :)

  317. 317.

    CaseyL

    So far as I can tell, the protesters were verbal, not physical. Fights didn’t start until after the rally was canceled, and there’s no reliable reportage of who started what. Cops arrested protesters, because that’s what cops do.

    The First Amendment only protects your right to express yourself. It doesn’t guarantee you a venue for doing so, or I could claim a Constitutional right to sing at Carnegie Hall. It doesn’t guarantee you the right to incite violence (just ask the Bundys).

  318. 318.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @hilts:

    I saw that the other day! It made me very happy. I admire someone who is both willing to, and in a position to, put his money where his mouth is. So, good for KO.

  324. 324.

    sigaba

    @OGLiberal:

    “However, 19-year-old Rusty Shackleford of Lombard, in line to attend the Trump rally, said he was there to “support the man who wants to make America great again.”

    “Rusty Shackleford” is a prank name– it’s the alias Dale Gribble from “King of the Hill” would use whenever he was hauled into court or had to give his name to authorities.

  326. 326.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Give Li’l Marco credit, he was smart enough to not say this in front of a journalist.

    Irin CarmonVerified account
    ‏@ irin
    “I guarantee you some of these [protesters] are being paid,” Rubio tells Megyn Kelly.

  328. 328.

    Soylent Green

    Trump is the giant evil ball of black fire, headed right for Earth, in the movie “The Fifth Element.” Shooting at him makes him stronger. He represents hatred. So when protesters go to his rallies to demonstrate their hate for him, his hateful mob gets bigger.

    The only weapon against Trump is ridicule. Getting under his skin. Getting him to hoist his own petard.

  333. 333.

    Steeplejack

    @Felonius Monk:

    No, it’s a sign that the Dolphins, who play in the northernmost city in South America, are trying to build their brand among Latinos. You’ll note that they’re holding tryouts in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia and Mexico—not Latvia, China or Thailand.

  334. 334.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Did young Marco really say that? Bollocks. Trump, through sheer bloody-minded offensiveness, succeeded in energizing a fairly apolitical student body to protest. Undergrads at UIC typically do not come from privilege and are fully occupied juggling studies and jobs. I’m therefore impressed that they organized. I hope that same righteous passion takes them to the polls. Perhaps Trumpism will backfire in the end. My preferred outcome.

  335. 335.

    Steeplejack

    @eemom:

    “Look at my petard. Is that a small petard? I guarantee, there’s no problem here, my friend. Yooge petard.”

  337. 337.

    CaseyL

    @efgoldman: Hah! I wondered about that. Be a vanity project for sure, if I: a) had the scratch; and b) didn’t mind making peoples’ ears bleed and birds fall out of the sky.

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