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Saturday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  March 12, 20165:10 am| 184 Comments

This post is in: Kiss My Black Ass, Open Threads, Daydream Believers

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best pic.twitter.com/goIhpBwAwz

— laura olin (@lauraolin) March 11, 2016

I think I’m old and staid enough to get away with saying that the Obama sisters are growing up into lovely young ladies, and their parents can be very proud.

But not so staid that I can’t enjoy the President’s Rhymes-with-Bucket Tour in progress, per Politico:

Speaking at a Democratic Party fundraiser in Austin, Texas, on Friday evening, President Barack Obama lit into Donald Trump, by turns mocking him for “selling steaks” and ripping his rhetoric— while urging the GOP to take responsibility for creating him.

“So here’s the truth,” Obama began as he defended his economic record against Trump’s criticism. “Look it up. America is pretty darn great right now.”…

Then the president launched into a lengthy series of taunts of his own, blistering the Republican establishment for being “shocked that somebody is fanning anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-Muslim sentiment.”

“How can you be shocked?” he asked. “This is the guy, remember, who was sure that I was born in Kenya. Who just wouldn’t let it go. And all this same Republican establishment, they weren’t saying nothing. As long as it was directed at me, they were fine with it. They thought it was a hoot. Wanted to get his endorsement. And then now, suddenly, we’re shocked that there’s gambling going on in this establishment.”

“What is happening in this primary is just a distillation of what’s been happening inside their party for more than a decade,” Obama said, accusing Republicans of denying “evidence of science” and viewing Democrats as “destroying the country, or treasonous.”…

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Apart from enjoying the vision of Media Village Idiots groping for their individual custom-crafted hand-finished fainting couches, what’s on the agenda for the day?

8 short years… what a beautiful family! Thank you @POTUS & @FLOTUS pic.twitter.com/oFKVoQlgUT

— diane (@SaysSheToday) March 12, 2016

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184Comments

  1. 1.

    Keith G

    March 12, 2016 at 5:22 am

    A link did not work so I am trashing this entry.

  2. 2.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 12, 2016 at 5:25 am

    New cast of Batman and Robin announced (photo)

  3. 3.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 5:30 am

    Speaking at a Democratic Party fundraiser

    If Obama weren’t corrupt, he’d have delivered that takedown to the people for free at his last State of the Union.

  4. 4.

    Amir Khalid

    March 12, 2016 at 5:41 am

    I look forward to Obama spending the next eight months needling the Donald. Maybe he’s waiting for the right moment to make Donald go nuclear.
    ETA: Test edit
    ETA: And today I do have permission from FYWP to edit my own comments. Hmm.

  5. 5.

    amk

    March 12, 2016 at 5:44 am

    It’s funny to see how the so called gop establishment folded so cheaply and so quickly against a carnival barker charlatan.

  6. 6.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 12, 2016 at 5:45 am

    Canada is abuzz (photo)

  7. 7.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 5:54 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    See, now that’s classy.

    Trump doesn’t know classy.

  8. 8.

    Zinsky

    March 12, 2016 at 6:07 am

    It’s too bad it took Obama this long to call out the right-wing for the knuckle-dragging buffoons that they are. I think mockery is the best way to attack these losers. Obama is funny. Trump will never be funny. EVER. Have you ever heard anything truly funny come out of that shitbag’s mouth? Mean is not funny. Mock them to death!!

  9. 9.

    WereBear

    March 12, 2016 at 6:08 am

    Trump could strip naked, paint himself blue, and moon the next crowd, and our media will call it a bold outreach to Celtic voters.

  10. 10.

    Marc

    March 12, 2016 at 6:08 am

    After all the poo which has been flung at him by the GOP, you have to admit that Obama has more class in a toenail clipping than the whole (R) establishment. The first family has been the focus of so much hostility and racism that it is a wonder he has been able to keep his fire to light jokes and provable facts. I just wonder at how the nation will be after this election – the incivility which is being stoked on the (R) side and between certain factions of the (D) side just seems to make any rapprochement all the more difficult. I’m not sure anyone will be able to keep their cool like he has…

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 6:09 am

    “It’s sad when you can’t have a rally. Whatever happened to freedom of speech?”

    The total lack of self awareness leaves me…. speechless.

  12. 12.

    WereBear

    March 12, 2016 at 6:09 am

    I do love the way the President is being so outrageous merely by stating the obvious.

  13. 13.

    Marc

    March 12, 2016 at 6:10 am

    @WereBear: Facts (and reality) have a liberal bias…

  14. 14.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 12, 2016 at 6:13 am

    I’m thinking of taking the kid on a tour of my alma mater(UCLA), since she’s thinking in a couple of years of pursuing her Master’s in Nursing(she’ll get her BSN in June). Back when I was in undergrad, I spent alot of time in the Engineering building since my major was a mishmash of Econ and Engineering. On one of the upper floors they had a large room that had a domed ceiling and in the center was this refrigerator sized electrical box that I learned about 20 years later was the first internet router. So I was wondering if it was still there. Turns out for the 40th anniversary of the internet, they figured out which room that they originally used to login to the internet(they sent a l and a o to Stanford before it crashed) and it now on public display with that old and very large internet router.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:14 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That’s pretty cool.

  16. 16.

    geg6

    March 12, 2016 at 6:17 am

    Those girls are stunningly beautiful. Brings tears to my eyes, how those little girls have grown into such poised and elegant women.

  17. 17.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 12, 2016 at 6:18 am

    @Baud: A picture of the IMP(router).

  18. 18.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:20 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I think that’s the same model Balloon Juice still uses.

  19. 19.

    bystander

    March 12, 2016 at 6:22 am

    I love the fact that Hillary can mistakenly pay a compliment to someone who didn’t deserve any compliments and it’s BENGHAZZZIII! time again. Somewhere I read somebody posting some supposed story about Nancy not helping Rock get a therapy. A therapy that was non-existent btw. The complete refusal to lift a finger in the face of the greatest plague in the late 20th century was nothing compared to a fictional social snub? The Firebaggers this time. Sheesh.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:25 am

    @bystander: But I like how she started the conflict at the Trump rally last night to draw attention away from her gaffe. Quick thinking, and quick implementation. Stellar all the way around.

  21. 21.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 12, 2016 at 6:30 am

    @Baud: Except for the UCLA one, not sure what happened to the rest of them. The Smithsonian wanted the UCLA one, but they refused to let it go.

  22. 22.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 12, 2016 at 6:31 am

    In other news, my modified NX300 camera is on it’s way back to California. It now seems to be in New Hampshire.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:31 am

    Trump canceled his rally in Cincy today. This is really going to be a thing.

  24. 24.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 12, 2016 at 6:35 am

    @Baud: Maybe he’s thinking he can get more publicity from not having rallies.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:36 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Yep. Less work, and his supporters are stirred up and motivated to vote.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 6:43 am

    @Baud: But how is he going to defeat ISIS if he’s so weak a few anti Trump protesters can shut down his campaign?

  27. 27.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: The same way Bush defeated al Qaeda. He won’t, because a fearful population is a conservative population.

  28. 28.

    delk

    March 12, 2016 at 6:52 am

    On my way out the door in about 15 minutes. Headed to the Racine Blue Line stop (nearest L stop to last night’s Trump rally). Wondering how trashed the area is.

  29. 29.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @Baud: Hmmmm… I always thought a fearful population was a chickenshit population. Doh! wait a minute, same thing. My bad.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:55 am

    The spread of Trumpism. (WaPo)

    Answer Sheet
    Fans cheering for Catholic basketball team shout ‘You killed Jesus’ to opposing players

    By Valerie Strauss March 12 at 6:10 AM

    BOSTON — An ugly thing happened at a high school basketball game in a suburb of Boston Friday night.

    It occurred at a division title game between the all-boys Catholic Memorial School and the public Newton North High School, which has a large Jewish community of students. The game was held at Newton South High School, where an estimated 100 young men sitting in the student section cheering for Catholic Memorial shouted, “You killed Jesus, you killed Jesus,” according to several witnesses who asked not to be identified. Most of those chanting fans wore red shirts as a display of support for their team. Some of the witnesses, who were Jewish, said they found the chant alarming.

  31. 31.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    March 12, 2016 at 6:56 am

    I read some stuff on twitter criticizing PBO for not attending Nancy Reagans funeral. Their princeling Dubby didn’t attend Ladybird Johnson’s funeral.in ’07,neither did Daddy Bush. It could be argued that Dubbya and his daddy had more of an obligation to have been there since the Johnsons had the Texas connection.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 6:59 am

    AP has the real headline

    Trump protesters cheer after GOP front-runner cancels rally

  33. 33.

    bystander

    March 12, 2016 at 7:00 am

    @Baud: Nobody knows how to get rid of the brassknuckles faster than Hillary.

  34. 34.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    March 12, 2016 at 7:03 am

    @Baud: I think Trump is tired and using this as an excuse to take time off the trail. Campaigning for POTUS is physically gruelliing and Trumpster looks old and unhealthy.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:08 am

    @Mai.naem.mobile: It is grueling. I’m secretly hoping for my supporters to cause some unrest.

  36. 36.

    Nemo_N

    March 12, 2016 at 7:09 am

    Trump tweeted calling protesters “thugs”.

  37. 37.

    bemused

    March 12, 2016 at 7:14 am

    Insomnia woke me up early but my grumpies were cured by watching CNN INT playing several times the clip of Obama laughing at GOP now SHOCKED by Trump. I laughed every time hearing Obama say Republicans didn’t say a word, thought it was a hoot when Trump directed his schtick at him (born in Kenya) and now the shoe is on the other foot.

    This is the Obama that I adore. I hope he feels free to do a lot more of this when he is no longer in the WH.

  38. 38.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:15 am

    Shit is escalating. Whether it was part of a deliberate plan to whip supporters into a ragegasm or not, the ugliness being unleashed is going to be hard to tamp down after a horrible election season.

  39. 39.

    Gimlet

    March 12, 2016 at 7:20 am

    @satby:

    How long, nasty and widespread will the reaction be from the other side if Hillary or Trump wins?

  40. 40.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 12, 2016 at 7:20 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: ,em>Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

    Poor guy. His freedom of speech was so suppressed he had to talk about it during interviews on MSNBC, CNN and Fox.

  41. 41.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 12, 2016 at 7:21 am

    @WereBear: The MSM is never going to be bold, but the reporters covering Trump sound pretty unhappy about the way he pens them in and then points to them and invites the crowd to boo. I’m guessing they weren’t thrilled about that Breitbart reporter being assaulted either. As I recall, a Washington Post reporter backed up the assault claim. They have to know that could have been them. We’ll have to see if it makes any difference.

    ETA: Also I forgot to say those girls are gorgeous.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:21 am

    @Gimlet: If Trump wins, we’ll be too busy packing our bags to be nasty.

  43. 43.

    WereBear

    March 12, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Iowa Old Lady says:

    ETA: Also I forgot to say those girls are gorgeous.

    I did too! And they certainly are.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: They’re also probably not so happy about their employers promoting Trump for ratings.

  45. 45.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 12, 2016 at 7:27 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: And, purely coincidentally, with the cancelled rally and attendant pushing and shoving among Trumpistas and protesters, the Lewandowski story has been relegated to the dustbin of history, even though criminal charges were filed yesterday.

  46. 46.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
    And all the children are insane, all the children are insane
    Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
    There’s danger on the edge of town
    Ride the King’s highway, baby
    Weird scenes inside the gold mine
    Ride the highway west, baby
    Ride the snake, ride the snake
    To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
    The snake is long, seven miles

    Ride the snake, he’s old, and his skin is cold
    The west is the best, the west is the best
    Get here, and we’ll do the rest
    The blue bus is callin’ us, the blue bus is callin’ us
    Driver, where you taken us

  47. 47.

    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    March 12, 2016 at 7:30 am

    @bystander:

    As someone of my Facebook acquaintance reminded me, Rock Hudson was happy to be served by a thoroughly prostituted out University of Kentucky football team (a team that my own uncle quit rather than participate in the scandal) back in ’59-’61 or thereabouts. And scandal it was – the thing was pay-for-play and involved significant peer pressure within the organization upon the unwilling, that pressure fomented by Rock’s friends who wanted a ready supply of young men for playtime.

    Rock had a whisper reputation as a sleaze. I’m no fan of Nancy Reagan and think that her husband was a loathesome creature, but have to say that she may well have declined to help in reaction to that.

  48. 48.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 7:33 am

    @Baud: Huh. Now I know why Trump wants to build that wall: to keep the sentient American populace from fleeing to Mexico after his (G-d forbid) election. Kind of like the Berlin Wall’s function, back in the day. More to keep the East Germans in than the “bad guys”out.

  49. 49.

    Raven

    March 12, 2016 at 7:37 am

    The Blues Brothers and Illinois Nazi’s!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=z75DN5r_6H4

  50. 50.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:38 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I hope Obama is negotiating a secret asylum treaty with Trudeau.

  51. 51.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 7:39 am

    @Baud: For all of us!

    ETA: Baud! 2016! for neighborly negotiations! So we’ll always have Canada (or Mexico, for the frost-averse).

  52. 52.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @Gimlet: I have no idea. I think Trump is egging on some real hate that feeds into the whole disaffected militia crowd.

  53. 53.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @Raven: Marquette Park lagoon! Where some of the real Nazis used to play.
    My dad and his brothers were all cops during the filming and extras in some of the big cop scenes.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:47 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    The irony is that if I were president, we wouldn’t have the incentive to move.

  55. 55.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:47 am

    @Baud: this is the kind of stuff I mean. It’s hard to put the open hate back into the bottle after it’s allowed out.

  56. 56.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 7:48 am

    @Baud: The best insurance is the kind you never have to use.

    ETA: Baud! 2016! So we can stay home. After having voted, of course.

  57. 57.

    Gimlet

    March 12, 2016 at 7:48 am

    @satby:

    I hope someone is piecing together a documentary about the 2016 election that will capture the different facets of history at this moment in time.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 7:49 am

    Maybe there will be a real “anti-Trump” vote. This is a Sanders rally in Toledo:

    “He’s what we need. He doesn’t discriminate against anybody. He is for all people,” said the factory worker, who came with her 2-year-old son and her mother.
    She said the economy is tough for her.
    I feel like he can make a lot happen,” she said. “And with a child this age, I don’t want him growing up with [Donald] Trump there.”
    Also worried about the effect of a Trump presidency was Hedyeh Elahinia, 18, of Sylvania, a biology student at the University of Toledo. As a Muslim and native of Iran who has lived in the United States most of her life, she said “scapegoating” of minorities bothers her.
    “Demagoguing that we’ve been hearing from people like Donald Trump for what [people] look like and where they came from, I feel that’s un-American,” Miss Elahinia said.

  59. 59.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 12, 2016 at 7:49 am

    @Gimlet: Trump’s supporters are the type who will actually be nastier if he wins.

  60. 60.

    Gimlet

    March 12, 2016 at 7:50 am

    @Baud: if I were president, we wouldn’t have the incentive to move.

    The very definition of “stunned”.

  61. 61.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:53 am

    So, I’m in the second day of a FB argument with my friend the journalist, and he’s all bent out of shape that Clinton won’t release her speech transcripts from her paid speaking tour. Is that a real issue right now? He suggests that it would show whether she made promises to Wall Street that would compromise her as President. I suggest that it’s going to show the kind if Tony Robbins boilerplate drivel that most corporate speeches are and that a blockbuster statement would have already been leaked.
    Which side is pumping transcript releases now, Republicans or Sanders?

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    March 12, 2016 at 7:53 am

    My daughter and Malia Obama are almost the exact same age (born in the same month). They were kids in 2008 and are young women now, which is amazing, heartbreaking and joyous all at the same time.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:53 am

    @Kay:

    Chances are, if you’re attending a Sanders or Clinton event, you were always going to be anti-Trump.

  64. 64.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 12, 2016 at 7:54 am

    The worst thing about Trump supporters is how many of them there are. Primed to receive racist, protectionist and xenophobic messages. Now that it’s been out in the open it will come back again and again. Who will be the next Trump who taps into all that anger? You know there will be one. Once a source of power is discovered it never just lies there.

  65. 65.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 7:57 am

    @satby: Agree. Hate has become a treasured privilege for a segment of the population.

  66. 66.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:58 am

    Oh, and another FB meme out there is some Wall Street guy (Asher Edleman) saying Bernie will be better for the economy. Which is circulating right now in the Muslim community.
    That one feels like pure ratfuck.

  67. 67.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 7:59 am

    @Matt McIrvin: I agree. They will feel both vindicated and empowered.

  68. 68.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 8:00 am

    @Betty Cracker: I remember that feeling when my boys seemingly overnight turned into young men. Proud, happy, and dazed.* Both you and the Obamas and all who survive parenthood deserve congratulations.

    *Note proper use of Oxford, or serial, comma, which was drilled into me at a tender age.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:01 am

    @satby:

    I don’t use social media, but I get the sense that it is essentially a decentralized Fox News in terms of accuracy.

  70. 70.

    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 8:05 am

    @Baud:

    I don’t know, I think anti-Trump is a little different. I read yesterday they have (anecdotal) reports of Democtats voting for Kasich in the primary to stop Trump. I wish they wouldn’t do that. It’s too fragmented and disorganized to be effective anyway and I don’t want Kasich as President either. The way to stop Trump is to beat him in a general election.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:05 am

    NYT. More hate.

    MINEOLA, Tex. — On Super Tuesday, Dale Clark voted for a local Republican who claimed on social media that President Obama had worked as a gay prostitute in his youth, that the United States should ban Islam, that the Democratic Party had John F. Kennedy killed and that the United Nations had hatched a plot to depopulate the world.

    Mr. Clark, 75, was unaware that the candidate he had supported — Mary Lou Bruner, 68, a former kindergarten teacher running for a seat on the State Board of Education — held such views. But as he sat with his wife eating lunch in this East Texas city, Mr. Clark was ready to give Ms. Bruner the benefit of the doubt.

    “I would not discount her on the basis of having those beliefs,” said Mr. Clark, a retired pilot. “It convinces me, though, that she’s quite conservative, and if I were going to err either way, I would want to err toward the side of the conservative.”

  72. 72.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:08 am

    @Kay: Voting to manipulate the other side has never been my thing. Especially not when the Dems have a real race on the balllot.

  73. 73.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 8:08 am

    @Baud: It’s how people share news with each other now, and so I end up in a daily debunking just to try to keep some facts out there. Otherwise the lies stand.

  74. 74.

    Tom

    March 12, 2016 at 8:10 am

    @Gimlet: IF it’s Hillary or Bernie? Eight years, of course, just like with President Obama.

  75. 75.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:10 am

    @satby: Good for you.

  76. 76.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 12, 2016 at 8:12 am

    @satby:

    Oh, and another FB meme out there is some Wall Street guy (Asher Edleman) saying Bernie will be better for the economy. Which is circulating right now in the Muslim community.
    That one feels like pure ratfuck.

    How? That sounds to me like pretty ordinary primary-campaign stuff. Some Muslims seem to be going for Bernie because of his relative foreign-policy dovishness. Or are you thinking it’s a coded anti-Sanders smear?

  77. 77.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 12, 2016 at 8:14 am

    @satby:
    Most of the idiocy I see in my FB feed is shared posts from conservative sites. When they pop up I use the ‘hide all from (the original source)’ to get rid of them. This teaches FB that the source is originating undesirable material. Eventually that gets suppressed if enough people vote not to see it.
    I don’t use Twitter.

  78. 78.

    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    March 12, 2016 at 8:15 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    I will be surprised if the press turns against the Dumpster. Their owners won’t like it – their owners won’t be physically assaulted so its an easy choice for them & dangerous on two fronts (job and body) for the reporters.

    I think last night was a huge win for the Dumpster campaign and the media will portray it is a way that it becomes legend – Poor Donny was not able to hold a rally because THOSE PEOPLE attacked people simply coming to hear him speak. I also expect problems at Clinton and Sanders events as people try to “get even”.

    As for the girls, I am an old man & not a hansom one so to avoid being labeled a creepy old man I never notice young girls. I’ll take everyones word for it that they are lovely

  79. 79.

    debbie

    March 12, 2016 at 8:16 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I look forward to Obama spending the next eight months needling the Donald.

    If he’s talking like this now, what great things will Obama say after he leaves office? I cannot wait.

  80. 80.

    Gimlet

    March 12, 2016 at 8:18 am

    With the level of violence at this stage of the process, I wonder if it will escalate to assassination before the polls in November.

  81. 81.

    debbie

    March 12, 2016 at 8:18 am

    @geg6:

    Remember how not so long ago, some female RWNJ called them out for dressing like trash? Wonder what she’s thinking now?

  82. 82.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 8:18 am

    @satby: The problem is we put it in a bottle and then pretended it wasn’t there. We can’t ignore it any longer, time to put a pillow over it’s face and not let up until it stops kicking.

  83. 83.

    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 8:23 am

    @Baud:

    I saw an anti- Kasich ad from Trump yesterday. It hits him on Lehman Brothers.

    Donald Trump released a blistering new ad slamming John Kasich in Ohio on Friday, hitting him for his past ties to Lehman Brothers and absence from his home state while on the campaign trail.
    “After John Kasich helped Wall Street predator Lehman Brothers destroy the world economy, he decided to run for governor of Ohio,” a fast-talking narrator intones.

    “Wall Street predator”. From the likely GOP nominee.

    OTOH, Trump’s ads are bad. They’re weirdly old-fashioned. He has a “positive” ad up that shows that weird dictator set-up he uses, where he’s alone on stage and there’s a huge crowd of angry people below him. He’s the only candidate who places himself alone on stage like that. The rest of them group supporters behind them, obviously deliberately- “we” not “me”.

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    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:23 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Then open question is whether the country has the resolve to do that.

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    Matt McIrvin

    March 12, 2016 at 8:24 am

    @Kay: I know some people who usually vote Democratic who crossed over in the Massachusetts primary to vote for anybody against Trump. I don’t think they made much effort to coordinate their votes.

    But… these people weren’t strong liberals playing eleven-dimensional chess; they were attitudinal centrists who did it in part because they liked neither Hillary Clinton nor Bernie Sanders but were strongly anti-Trump. They might well vote for John Kasich in the general if he got the nomination, though they would vote for Clinton if it was Clinton vs. Trump.

    I suspect a lot of these anecdotes are actually about people like that. I also hear rumors of liberals crossing over Operation Chaos-style to vote FOR Trump just to sabotage the Republicans, but while some people here have said they were planning to do that, I suspect that kind of behavior is much more rare; it’s more stone-cold chessplaying than more than a few people are willing to do.

    And then, of course, there are all the stories of thousands of Democrats changing their party registration to joyously jump on the Trumpwagon. Who are probably people who haven’t voted for a Democratic President in decades.

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    Peale

    March 12, 2016 at 8:25 am

    @Baud: remember how in the last debate people mentioned he was looking sedate? I think he’s ill and lying about it.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 8:25 am

    The Worlds Most Idiotic Armed Robber

    Jumped into a cab, in front of a cop car, and pulled a gun on the driver. Too funny.

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    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 8:25 am

    @Gimlet:

    Chicago wasn’t even the only violent event he held yesterday. They arrested 30 people at his rally in St Louis.

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    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:27 am

    @Kay:

    “After John Kasich helped Wall Street predator Lehman Brothers destroy the world economy, he decided to run for governor of Ohio,” a fast-talking narrator intones.

    And won, twice!

    :-\

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 8:28 am

    @Baud: We do. Might take a while, but we’ll get there.

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    debbie

    March 12, 2016 at 8:30 am

    @Baud:

    And won, twice!

    I wish people would stop saying this. He ran virtually unopposed. Not even the state Dem party supported the Dem candidate.

    (ETA: I’m not referring to you specifically. The Ohio GOP overuses this misconception.)

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    Betty Cracker

    March 12, 2016 at 8:31 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    *Note proper use of Oxford, or serial, comma, which was drilled into me at a tender age.

    I’m a serial comma killer since I do most of my paid writing and editing in AP style. But I agree with the copy editor (from The New Yorker, maybe?) who advised writers to pick a style, be consistent and refrain from framing comma usage as a moral issue.

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    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 8:31 am

    @debbie: When you’re explaining, you’re losing.

    And polls indicate he would carry Ohio in a general election.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 8:32 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I remember that feeling when my boys seemingly overnight turned into young men. Proud, happy, and dazed.*

    I just had that “not my problem anymore” feeling of relief.

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    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    March 12, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @efgoldman:
    He can present himself as the bulwark against the rising tide of violence in America, the strong leader who will whip the mobs into line. That for sure gets him the GOP nomination. The general election might be fought on different ground but he will always, always, have that segment willing to waltz through fire to get to the polls.

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    March 12, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @Kay:

    This is where I think we’re on the razor’s edge of something awful – Hitler didn’t start out by saying “we’ll set up camps for the extermination of Jews, gypsies, gays and communists”. He didn’t start out by saying “we’ll go on an aggressive crusade of conquest across Europe and North Africa”.

    He started off with white resentment of financial elites and racial minorities, and the terror state evolved from there with the aid of jacked up militant supporters.

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    debbie

    March 12, 2016 at 8:34 am

    @Baud:

    I think the polls are wrong, like they were in Michigan. I think Kasich’s support is very soft and more an anti-Trump thing. He may have the Republican vote, but he won’t get the conservative Democrats who will never, ever forget Kasich’s SB5 betrayal.

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    Joel

    March 12, 2016 at 8:35 am

    @Baud: Fuck CM and their child molesting coaches.

    [/NNHS grad]

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    MomSense

    March 12, 2016 at 8:35 am

    One of my friends who is not really political was telling me yesterday that she doesn’t know what to do his election. She can’t stand any of the candidates. She likes what Clinton has to say but she’s worried she may be dishonest because of the emails. So I explained the email issue but she doesn’t think the media would discuss it so much if there wasn’t more to it.

    And this is how our media work.

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    debbie

    March 12, 2016 at 8:37 am

    @MomSense:

    Jorge Ramos being a perfect example of that. What was the point of asking her if she’d drop out? Just idiotic.

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    jonas

    March 12, 2016 at 8:37 am

    @Mai.naem.mobile: Of course if they do attend, then all the headlines are about how the presidential security detail inconveniences the locals and why didn’t POTUS think about the little people when he decided his ego and motorcade should attend some memorial service.

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    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Yesterday:

    Democrats are looking pretty good for the general election for President in Ohio- as long as John Kasich doesn’t end up somehow snagging the nomination. Hillary Clinton leads Marco Rubio 44/41, and both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump 45/40– leads that are pretty well in line with how much Barack Obama won the state by in 2008 and 2012.

    Ohio is supposed to be the center of the Donald Trump “white working class” phenom. One would think that would start showing up in polling soon. If he’s the nominee 5 points will tighten, because the non-Trump Republicans will fall in line but Obama only won Ohio by a couple of points in 2012 so the Democrat doesn’t need to be way ahead. So far it looks like the usual – one Party is 5 points ahead of the other.

    Trump lies constantly about his poll numbers in the general. If they were great he wouldn’t have to do that.

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    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 8:40 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: But it doesn’t answer the people who share it. I doubt I make anyone see the light, but I like to pierce the bubble and remind them that not everyone thinks that way or agrees with that stuff.

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    Matt McIrvin

    March 12, 2016 at 8:42 am

    @Baud: Polls indicate Kasich would carry the country in a general election, but they also said that about Marco Rubio a couple of weeks ago. I think these guys still present to most general-election voters right now as “generic Republican who is not Donald Trump or Ted Cruz”, and that sounds okay. There’s not much sense yet of who they actually are: people are starting to learn that about Rubio and he’s falling behind Clinton.

    Still, Hillary Clinton is widely disliked enough that Kasich might be able to beat her just on the grounds of not being her and not being manifestly gross.

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    ThresherK

    March 12, 2016 at 8:43 am

    @Kay: Is he standing on a balcony making a speech in his ads?

    I’m getting a real Evita / Hitler vibe about them and I havne’t seen one.

    (Yes, I said Hitler. I don’t think it’s possible to Go Godwin on Trump wrongly any longer. Please correct me if otherwise.)

  106. 106.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 12, 2016 at 8:45 am

    …That said, the national general-election head-to-head polls are behaving really suspiciously for all the R candidates who are not Trump: there’s a bigger split between Internet and landline phone polls that I’ve ever seen in any prior election, they’re starkly saying different things about who’s way ahead, and it makes me think we just can’t trust these any more.

  107. 107.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 8:45 am

    @MomSense: in another FB exchange I had 3 people tell me “when there’s smoke there’s fire” in reference to Clinton. No matter how many times it’s pointed out that nothing has ever been revealed to be illegal or particularly nefarious. The talk is out there, so it must be true.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 8:47 am

    @Kay: Trump complained that the police were forced to be “politically correct” in their arrest of them, meaning they didn’t beat them up. The STL Post Disgrace didn’t say anything about violence in the protests, just that they were able to stop his rally for about 30 minutes by protesting sequentially (one or 2 at a time) instead of all at once. My son drove by the Peabody before the event and said it was a circus out in the street with both pro and anti shouting at each other.

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    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 8:48 am

    So no one’s heard who is pushing the “Clinton must release the transcripts” meme?
    Edited to add: never mind, it came from Sanders. Thanks a lot, bro.

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    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 8:49 am

    Well, this is depressing: I googled “UIC trump rally” and every single headline that shows up with a link says it was cancelled for safety concerns because of the protest.

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    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 8:49 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I agree. Kasich has also completely changed his personality for the national election, just as a side note :)

    I think it was Paul Begala’s outfit who ran effective anti-Romney ads in Ohio in 2012. They just destroyed Romney early and he never polled ahead of Obama. They didn’t really have to “win” Ohio, they just had to keep the slight edge Obama started with. Since Democrats have that same edge now I wish they would do that again against Trump.

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    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    March 12, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    He started off with white resentment of financial elites and racial minorities, and the terror state evolved from there with the aid of jacked up militant supporters.

    WAIT!, you mean Hitler or Trump?

    The Hitler thing has been over used again and again but it really does fit to well in Drump’s case. Hitler used the violent reaction to his party to escalate violence while portraying himself as the victim and also the only hope for the nation to stem them violence. He never won the majority of votes in a free election but did manipulate events to his own end.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 8:54 am

    @MomSense:

    So I explained the email issue but she doesn’t think the media would discuss it so much if there wasn’t more to it.

    Ask her why the media cover the Trumpster so much when there is absolutely nothing there. Answer? Because it’s all about the Big Show.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 9:00 am

    @WaterGirl: He was never concerned about the safety of protesters before, I think it is safe to say he wasn’t this time either. Maybe he just finally realized that getting people beat up has consequences.

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    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 9:01 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    My take on it is I’m not personally insulted and threatened by Donald Trump, but there are people who are (AA, Muslims, Latino) and I just defer to them on how they need/want to express that.

    That bullshit he’s doing with black protesters, “these people are bad for our country” and “get a job” is blatantly racist. I feel like they have a right to a strong response, a stronger response than one would use for a purely political opponent. Trump is not fighting on policy disagreements. He’s riling up his overwhelming white supporters based on a whole set of stereotypes. They are countering in kind because the attack is different than a purely political frame. I think that’s absolutely fair game. He set this up this way. He hit them first and he didn’t hit them on “policy”- he hit them on what they are. Trump is saying protesters have to play by a more civil set of rules than the candidate himself does. He wants to hit them and not get hit back, like every bully everywhere.

    Let the chips fall where they may and may the better side win, is my take.

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    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 9:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yes. I remember a “free at last” moment when I dropped my youngest off at college his freshman year. And I remain awed by what fine young men they’ve become.

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    MomSense

    March 12, 2016 at 9:03 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That’s a good suggestion. One morning I heard Joe talking about how it’s a problem that people think Hillary is untrustworthy. Hmmm I wonder why people think she is untrustworthy. Is it because media keep saying people think she’s untrustworthy?

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    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 12, 2016 at 9:05 am

    @satby:
    I’ve given up most of responding to GOP nonsense on FB. Most people who share posts that they’re in sympathy with aren’t all that invested in it or they would originate something of their own. It’s not worth the trouble to refute things that are just shared around because they don’t have much effect. I will respond to a FB friend’s original post because presumably they care enough to type it out on their own. In that case it might be worth the effort to reply.
    But there’s so much misinformation on social media you have to pick your battles.

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    Matt McIrvin

    March 12, 2016 at 9:06 am

    @satby:

    “when there’s smoke there’s fire”

    I find it amazing that anyone ever uses that saying in any context; it’s as if they don’t know what a smear campaign is.

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    MomSense

    March 12, 2016 at 9:07 am

    @ThresherK:

    No correction from me.

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    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 9:09 am

    @Betty Cracker: Oh, I agree. I just found the recent thread on the serial comma topic amusing. One of the many splendored delights of BJ.

  122. 122.

    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    March 12, 2016 at 9:11 am

    @Matt McIrvin:
    Well certainly the media would let us know if there was nothing there, right? I mean they wouldn’t just mindlessly permit people to keep repeating the same BS over and over after it has been disproved multiple times. RIGHT?

    Ergo the smoke indicates a fire – QED

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    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 9:11 am

    @satby:
    @Matt McIrvin:

    It’s offensive. Like a candidate they care about would never be smeared. And if it happens, I bet they aren’t as understanding as you’re supposed to be.

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    rikyrah

    March 12, 2016 at 9:12 am

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

    I’m at work this morning, but it’s all good.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 9:12 am

    @Kay:

    My take on it is I’m not personally insulted and threatened by Donald Trump, but there are people who are (AA, Muslims, Latino) and I just defer to them on how they need/want to express that.

    I agree. Not sure how I would react if it were directed at me, but it would certainly be more than putting BLM on my truck.

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    Chris

    March 12, 2016 at 9:12 am

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    I agree, but the “razor’s edge of something awful” moment for me was 2008/2009 with the rise of the teabaggers. Those guys sent my “those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” detector into overdrive, especially since they were quite obviously very ready to commit atrocities. Really, all you need to do is spend any time in a right wing blog’s comments section to realize that there are large numbers of people out there for whom “fascist” is the only reasonable description. Trump is just the first Fuhrer figure in the movement. Unfortunately, I doubt if he’s the last.

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    rikyrah

    March 12, 2016 at 9:13 am

    I think the First Daughters have grown into beautiful young ladies.

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    rikyrah

    March 12, 2016 at 9:15 am

    @Kay:

    My take on it is I’m not personally insulted and threatened by Donald Trump, but there are people who are (AA, Muslims, Latino) and I just defer to them on how they need/want to express that.

    These is absolutely NOTHING in the annals of AMERICAN HISTORY with regards to Black people, that would make me think that I shouldn’t take Trump seriously.

    I simply do not have that luxury.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 9:16 am

    @MomSense: It’s a big feedback loop.

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    polyorchnid octopunch

    March 12, 2016 at 9:18 am

    @Gimlet: The butthurt will be yoooge.

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    ThresherK

    March 12, 2016 at 9:19 am

    I heard that Frank Luntz’s Dem focus groups are normal and his GOP ones presaged last night’s Chicago contretemps.

    What is a focus group and why is only Frank Luntz allowed to hold them? Does he have a patent or something?

  132. 132.

    Betty Cracker

    March 12, 2016 at 9:23 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: Did you see this? Exceprt from The Onion:

    4 Copy Editors Killed In Ongoing AP Style, Chicago Manual Gang Violence

    NEW YORK—Law enforcement officials confirmed Friday that four more copy editors were killed this week amid ongoing violence between two rival gangs divided by their loyalties to the The Associated Press Stylebook and The Chicago Manual Of Style. “At this time we have reason to believe the killings were gang-related and carried out by adherents of both the AP and Chicago styles, part of a vicious, bloody feud to establish control over the grammar and usage guidelines governing American English,” said FBI spokesman Paul Holstein, showing reporters graffiti tags in which the word “anti-social” had been corrected to read “antisocial.”

    Heh!

  133. 133.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 9:25 am

    Keith Emerson- RIP

    Pictures at an Exhibition

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    NotMax

    March 12, 2016 at 9:25 am

    Dems adopted a jackass as mascot.

    Reps recruit jackasses as members.

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    Kay

    March 12, 2016 at 9:30 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’m so sick of everyone pretending they don’t know what Trump is saying. “These people are bad for the country”

    I mean, for God’s sake. He says that and then follows it “with get them out of here”. It isn’t subtle.

    I so hope he crashes and burns because he’s an amateur in this arena. This isn’t the same as his fake business that he inherited where everyone smiles along and kisses his ass. It isn’t, actually, easy, either running for President or being President. It’s hard. How can Donald Trump handle running the country when he can’t run his own rallies is a real question. He can’t cancel appearances when he’s President and call into cable news and whine. If he thinks this is bad wait until he starts deporting 9 million people, or starts a trade war with China.

  136. 136.

    Mr. Twister

    March 12, 2016 at 9:32 am

    Here’s Rachel Flowers playing some of Keith Emerson’s gear. ELP Trilogy.

  137. 137.

    Chris

    March 12, 2016 at 9:32 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I finally ended a longstanding tradition of “don’t delete other people’s posts” a couple weeks ago on Facebook. Wasn’t even that offensive. I had reposted a political cartoon with an FBI agent decrying a quote about civil liberties as “pointy-headed liberal” before finding out it came from Justice Scalia. Then got a comment on it from a cranky relative calling the cartoonist an “ill informed clown” for not realizing that “it’s not conservatives who’re threatening our constitutional liberties.” There are several possible explanations for what he meant to say and about twenty possible directions the conversation could’ve gone… but I’m past the point where I’m willing to humor these people by pretending that they have anything worthwhile to say. So I just hit “delete.” Hopefully, the hint was taken.

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    Germy

    March 12, 2016 at 9:33 am

    @Chris: They would do the same to you, in a heartbeat.

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    gene108

    March 12, 2016 at 9:34 am

    @MomSense:

    Her e-mails are public record. Our blog host posted a link to them a few days ago.

    Found this on the State Department website.

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    smintheus

    March 12, 2016 at 9:40 am

    “What is happening in this primary is just a distillation of what’s been happening inside their party for more than a decade,” Obama said, accusing Republicans of denying “evidence of science” and viewing Democrats as “destroying the country, or treasonous.”

    Problem with Obama making this argument now is that it was all obvious back in 2008 as well, when he wanted us to believe that he could work with Republicans in Congress. We need a candidate this year who won’t pull punches in criticizing the GOP top to bottom.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 9:44 am

    @Kay: I think things are getting to the point where any sentient being can’t pretend anymore. I really do think this is the last gasp of racism’s use as a political tool. I have faith that the country that put a black man with a funny sounding name into the White House, not once but twice, will reject Trump’s racist demagoguery.

    It’s gonna be ugly, and painful, but think of the revulsion after Charleston SC, and the horror of the shooting of Tamir Rice. People are finally waking up and the racial troglodytes are coming to the realization that acceptance of them is fading fast.

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    smintheus

    March 12, 2016 at 9:45 am

    @Kay: Fortunately for us, Trump has the thinnest of skins and is pathetically easy to wind up. And when wound up, he lashes out clownishly. I’d expect the Dem general election campaign would consist of non-stop trolling of Trump, and exploiting his tantrums.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 12, 2016 at 9:47 am

    @Kay: OTOH, Trump’s ads are bad. They’re weirdly old-fashioned. He has a “positive” ad up that shows that weird dictator set-up he uses, where he’s alone on stage and there’s a huge crowd of angry people below him.

    I don’t mean this as a joke, but without having seen the ads, what you’re describing makes me think of Trump’s ideas of class and elegance, frozen in another time (I’m not sure which one, late 50s? early 70s?)

    @satby: Chuck Todd brought it up in Dem debate and I almost fell out of my chair, even considering the source. The Clinton standard is always “prove you didn’t do anything wrong”. Harping on the speaking fees and the transcripts are what pushed me from disagreement into “Bernie is an asshole”

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    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 9:52 am

    @smintheus:

    Problem with Obama making this argument now is that it was all obvious back in 2008 as well, when he wanted us to believe that he could work with Republicans in Congress.

    He had no choice but to try and try again and again and again and again…. Why? Because he’s a black man and every black man has to be 3 times better than any white man ever has to be just to be considered equal. It is his bottomless patience in the face of such relentless intransigence that has convinced me he is a far better man than I ever dreamed of being.

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    gene108

    March 12, 2016 at 9:54 am

    @rikyrah:

    I think the First Daughters have grown into beautiful young ladies.

    I’d hate to be a boy trying to pick one of them up for a date.

    Run the gauntlet of White House security, and then it’s Mr. Obama answering the door, who politely reminds you, “have my daughter home by ten. And just remember, I tracked Osama down and had him killed. Don’t make me call SEAL Team six on your ass, young man. I hope I have made myself clear.”

  146. 146.

    Nate Dawg

    March 12, 2016 at 9:57 am

    Saw Air Force One from my balcony and living room last night.

    The flight path into Love field is about 200 yards directly east of me, and it was enormous at about 200 feet elevation.

    I hadn’t seen a 747 land there from this vantage (and I see planes land ALL day long).

    Was just beautiful. Felt like Chris Matthews and had a chill run up my leg.

    Probably the last time I’ll have a sense of awe and personal respect for the President for quite a while.

    ALSO: iPhone camera sucks. Makes everything look way way far away. Good for capturing food on a plate and selfies, but bad for most everything else.

  147. 147.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 10:00 am

    @Betty Cracker: Hehe! Love it!

    On another note, are you in touch with any of your Rumproast colleagues? That was my first political snark site and I still miss it. (Stumbled onto when I returned from Africa and discovered this brave new blog world.) I found BJ through that site. Mrs. Polly’s take on the Ground Zero mosque was one for the ages. Also hope that Strange is doing ok. Glad you’re here!

  148. 148.

    Chris

    March 12, 2016 at 10:00 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    For an actual “waking up” to take place, though, would mean acknowledging not only that Trump Is A Big Bad Racist but that he actually represents what’s probably the most powerful strand in modern conservatism, and that that racism needs to be fought. At a minimum, it would mean implicating the Republican Party ever since the rise of the teabaggers almost eight years ago, and not just since the rise of Donald Trump’s poll numbers. I see no evidence that that’s happening. Everyone but the Democrats, and even some Democrats, is still treating Trump like some utterly inexplicable phenomenon that just appeared out of thin air like “poof!” less than a year ago.

  149. 149.

    satby

    March 12, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @Chris: I agree, and I don’t see that evidence either. The rest of the GOP candidates all stated at the last debate they’ll all back whomever is the nominee. Even Trump. That’s not repudiating the racism, that’s embracing it.

  150. 150.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 12, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: The other problem with the “If Obama had just said things…” theory is that it assumes that the broad electorate is both more curious and more flexible in their thinking. The reason Mitch McConnell’s obstruction strategy worked isn’t because the public adopts Bothsideisim out of a pretense of high-mindedness a la David Broder, they find politics confusing and it’s easier to throw up your hands and say “Oh those clowns in Washington…”

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    smintheus

    March 12, 2016 at 10:10 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I understand the position he felt he was in. But it’s a strategic mistake to paint yourself into the corner of trying to work with a party that has already shown itself to be a hot mess – particularly when bullying and bad faith are their SOP. In 2008 Obama should have made plain that there’d be more than carrots if Republicans continued in past form after the election.

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    Felonius Monk

    March 12, 2016 at 10:14 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Well said. He has a much thicker skin than I could ever dream of having. I feel very honored that he chose to be our President.

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    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 10:14 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: “Maybe he just finally realized that getting people beat up has consequences.”

    That could be it. Or maybe he just wants to play the victim card lay the groundwork so that if (when) there is violence at his future rallies, he can blame the other side.

    Or maybe he’s just a total fucking coward who can’t take the heat.

  154. 154.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 12, 2016 at 10:15 am

    @smintheus: But it’s a strategic mistake to paint yourself into the corner of trying to work with a party that has already shown itself to be a hot mess –

    So how do you get the Stimulus passed without Snowe, Collins and Specter? How do you stop people like Claire McCaskill and Evan Bayh from bleating about the need for “bipartisanship”? and there are/were a lot more than those two and their Blue Doggy ilk who believe that bipartisanship is not just a sometimes necessary means, but worthy, even noble, end in itself (Joe Biden, I’m looking at you).
    ETA: Max Baucus– who IIRC once supported a bill that included a robust public option– let health care reform molder in committee for months because he didn’t want to damage his friendship with Chuck Grassley, even as Grassley was stumbling around Iowa talking about “pulling the plug on grandma”. What magic words should Obama have spoken to change that?

  155. 155.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 12, 2016 at 10:18 am

    @Chris: Funny. I see the evidence that that is happening everywhere. Guess it all depends on how one looks at what is happening.

    Everyone but the Democrats, and even some Democrats, is still treating Trump like some utterly inexplicable phenomenon that just appeared out of thin air like “poof!” less than a year ago.

    That’s called ‘Denial’ and is the first of the 5 stages of grief. The 2nd is ‘Anger’…..

    So anyway, as a 57 yr old man who has seen some of the worst humans are capable of, I am really fairly optimistic at this point in time. The trick is to not let up. We’ve been here before in the 60s, got a few victories and thought, “Hey, it’s all better now.” and No, it wasn’t.

    Again, it won’t be pretty and it will be painful, but so is cancer treatment.

    ps: another hopeful sign is the full on freakout by the GOP

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    Shell

    March 12, 2016 at 10:18 am

    Okay, Im old and out of touch. Who is the guy the Obama sisters are meeting in that picture?

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    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 10:19 am

    @MomSense: Hillary did lie about the whole “taking sniper fire” think in 2008, that doesn’t do her any favors on the trust / honesty front.

  158. 158.

    jharp

    March 12, 2016 at 10:20 am

    Coolest first family ever.

  159. 159.

    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 10:22 am

    @Matt McIrvin: “…it’s as if they don’t know what a smear campaign is.”

    “Do you know what a smear campaign is?” That could cover a lot of bases in responding to people with concerns about Hillary. That doesn’t question what they believe in a personal way; it does question whether they are being told the truth, and no one likes to be lied to.

  160. 160.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 10:23 am

    @Shell: Actor Ryan Gosling? I’m old and out of touch too, so not sure.

  161. 161.

    Betty Cracker

    March 12, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: Sadly, no, aside from the occasional email. I suspect everyone but me just got fed up with blogging and went on indefinite hiatus.

  162. 162.

    smintheus

    March 12, 2016 at 10:29 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Trying to work with some moderates in the other party once you’re in power is one thing. Making the case for your election based upon a supposed ability to work with them is quite another. What we needed 8 years ago, and still need, is a candidate who will offer the public a thorough demolition of what the Republican Party has become. Like it or not, the US media will not make the case about the GOP meltdown that has been in front of them these past 20+ years unless a Democrat is willing to enunciate it for them. They might walk through a door that is opened for them, but they won’t open that door first.

  163. 163.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 10:29 am

    @Betty Cracker: Just keeping up with comments is time-consuming, so I can well imagine that regular blogging can get tiring. I appreciate the work that you and the other FPers do to keep us informed, engaged, and amused. :)

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    Elizabelle

    March 12, 2016 at 10:29 am

    @Nate Dawg: That is so cool. You won’t forget the image.

    And I hope you are pleasantly surprised this time next year about the new Oval Office occupant.

  165. 165.

    delk

    March 12, 2016 at 10:33 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: Ryan Reynolds

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    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 10:36 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Just a week ago today a friend and I got into a discussion about what I call “the murder of all these black people by the police”. My friend was saying that if they were just more polite to the police and stopped when they were told to stop, etc, that all this stuff wouldn’t be happening.

    I do not like conflict but that is one subject where I just won’t back down. I said, no, these people are being murdered and it’s not their fault. When you can end up dead because you changed lanes without a signal and smart off to a police officer, that’s not the fault of the person who is now dead. I said I didn’t know I would do if I were black and was stopped – what’s less safe, to stay or to run? When a cop can stop you because he doesn’t like the look on your face as you pedal on by on your bicycle, things are really fucked up. Black people are being murdered by the police and it’s not their fault. And it’s not a few bad apples on the police force.

    Toward the end of lunch (after talking about other things for quit awhile) he said he had no idea I was that much of a radical. I’m sorry if he’s changing his opinion of me, but if you can’t stand up and say it’s not right when black people are being murdered by the police, when can you stand up?

    Edit:
    shorter Watergirl: not everybody is waking up to this, even well-meaning white democrats who generally try to do the right thing.

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    Gvg

    March 12, 2016 at 10:38 am

    @satby: if she released the transcript it would show what she wanted it to. Actually I am talking about a written version of a speech, notes for her to practice and refer to. There would not be a real transcript because no one bothered to have someone record and transcribe nor take notes. Also each time she gave it she would have changed it to fit on the fly probably. And then someone would say it wasn’t exactly like they remembered it and there would be another little molehill con tremors we’d have to listen to. Ignoring the way speeches work and the fact that people memory isn’t perfect even immediately after let alone years later.
    If she did say reassuring stuff to Wall Street it wouldn’t be in this kind of venue anyway and not everything that Wall Street finds reassuring is bad for the rest of us. Look at all the wars the GOP candidates would start. She could have told them I’m not really a warmonger and here’s the evidence etc but it wouldn’t have been in speeches like this.

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    O. Felix Culpa

    March 12, 2016 at 10:39 am

    @delk: Attack of the pretty Ryans! Thanks for the correction.

  169. 169.

    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 10:49 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: And after all this crap that has been thrown at him and his family for all these years, after all the disrespect for the man and for the office, Barack Obama still believes that people are basically good!

    We are truly blessed.

  170. 170.

    chopper

    March 12, 2016 at 10:57 am

    @satby:

    in another FB exchange I had 3 people tell me “when there’s smoke there’s fire”

    I had that same thing. So I sent em a picture of limbaugh with a cigar in his mouth saying “sometimes it’s just an asshole blowing smoke in your face”.

  171. 171.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 11:05 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Barack Obama still believes that people are basically good!

    To be fair, he hasn’t met me yet.

  172. 172.

    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 11:07 am

    @Baud: But I’ve told him all about you!!

  173. 173.

    WaterGirl

    March 12, 2016 at 11:08 am

    @chopper:

    I had that same thing. So I sent em a picture of limbaugh with a cigar in his mouth saying “sometimes it’s just an asshole blowing smoke in your face”.

    I am WaterGirl, and I approve this message.

  174. 174.

    Baud

    March 12, 2016 at 11:09 am

    @WaterGirl:

    What did you say? “He’s no Obama”?

  175. 175.

    wenchacha

    March 12, 2016 at 11:20 am

    @debbie: Probably plenty of Prom dress codes that would find Malia’s dress immodest. Sasha’s maybe, if that is see-through lace or whatnot at the upper part of her dress. Somebody will call it too much skin for the First Family.

    I think they both daughters are poised, beautiful, and do their family proud.

  176. 176.

    MomSense

    March 12, 2016 at 11:21 am

    @rikyrah:

    Two of my kids have been asked recently “what they are”. I especially liked the “what” part. What Trump and our media are enabling is evil.

  177. 177.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 12, 2016 at 11:41 am

    @MomSense: several stories of kids being told that President Trump is going to kick them out, build a wall to keep them out. Two stories, one in Colorado, one in Indiana (Catholic school) of kids at basketball games chanting “Build. The. Wall” at predominantly Latino visiting teams

    Props to Cokie Roberts (words I never thought I would type) asking Trump is he was proud of stuff like this. It’s like shooting peas at an elephant, but at least she asked.

  178. 178.

    SoupCatcher

    March 12, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    @MomSense:

    Two of my kids have been asked recently “what they are”.

    My mom is white and my dad is Chicano. We can trace our family back to the 1870s in Southern California. I grew up in a neighborhood of Los Angeles that is less than 15% white. Where I went to undergrad, the population was greater than 85% white. That was an eye-opening experience.

    My personal favorite derpitude was:
    Where are you from?
    Los Angeles.
    No, I mean where are you originally from?

    I got that all the time.

    I’m at the point where I feel people will only change their minds because of their own mixed race grandchildren.

  179. 179.

    The Lodger

    March 12, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    @gene108: Where is the like button when I need it?

  180. 180.

    Ruckus

    March 12, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Trump frozen in time? The 50s. For sure the 50s. Faux shows of wealth, open racial comments, rich is the most important element……. Yeah the 50s.

  181. 181.

    Ruckus

    March 12, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    I’m going for C, both of the above.
    He is a racist, he just needs more than the stone racists to win so he can’t come right out and say his shit and yes he’s a coward, all bullies are. That’s why they overcompensate.

    He’s afraid of being shown up for exactly what he is. A shallow, racist asshole. He’s not all that bright but he’s not stupid either, he knows that a black man won handily, twice and that coming out directly with who he is may get him a portion of the conservative vote, but won’t get him elected. He’s failed at everything else he’s done, this is his last chance to prove who he is. Problem for him is he’s doing exactly that.

  182. 182.

    SFAW

    March 12, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Toward the end of lunch (after talking about other things for quit awhile) he said he had no idea I was that much of a radical.

    To which you should have said you had no idea that he was such a clueless, oblivious moron.

  183. 183.

    Cermet

    March 12, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    If only our Dad (President Obama) could get a third term we’d all in the USA would be so much better off. That amendment has to go ASAP so Dad can run again and get his third term … .

  184. 184.

    pluky

    March 12, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    @rikyrah: Preach sister. What’s the line,? “When someone tells you they want to kill you, believe them.” A scene from the movie version of Atwood’s “The Handmaid’s Tale” showing Offred and the General walking past a boxcar being stuffed with black people has stuck with me for years.

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