Baud isn’t done! His incredible 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-11111!eleventy!! strategy has kept him in the race when many establishment candidates have fallen by the wayside
I would really rather that Cruz not win Missouri, just because anytime he wins he is such an insufferable asshole (more than usual), but I think if he pulls it out, it will help keep the vote splintered.
Ms. Laurie as a Super Front Pager threw the blog to Clinton so it’s all up with the Primary Ides of March. It ran a good campaign and we’re proud of it but it needs to throw its weight to the current reigning thread.
@Anoniminous: Are you rooting for Cruz? God help you.
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different-church-lady
@M31: He may yet come out of the smoldering ruins of the convention hall carrying the limp, unconscious, lung-scarred nomination in his arms.
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? Martin
@lamh36: Close but to my eye it looks like Hillary will pull it off.
Missouri is tricky. St Louis always seems to come in last and can completely flip the rest of the state. Not unusually for Missouri to not get called until 95% in, even if there’s a pretty big gap up until then..
I hope Betty post that map of Florida showing the extent of Rubio’s loss. Sincerely, the ONLY folks who voted for Lil Marco were his neighbor and friends…I mean..WOW!
@lamh36: Alvarez apparently spoke about how she could have made more money in the private sector during her concession. Well, opportunity is knocking, motherfucker…
I’m rooting for Cruz to win Missouri to keep the GOP nominating race 3-Way and thus in doubt. I want to see them go into the convention without a first ballot nominee. They are running out of time and delegates and if Cruz can take Missouri he keeps Trump from clinching.
Completely OT, but kind of awesome, remember that post about the furries and the Syrian refugee kids? A friend pointed me to some more photos, and the one that was on the post here was the least cool.
@Kropadope: As long as you’re voting Hillary in the General. Are you?
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? Martin
@redshirt: Its a really interesting question. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as Ambassador to the UN. A lot of new rules are going to be written with him, and the GOP will howl continuously through all of them.
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MomSense
I can’t link because FYWP so I’ll just recommend the Cruz headline at the Onion.
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Trinity
Loved it!
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amk
Will she win IL?
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BD of MN
I was watching the local nooz and in between election results they had a story of a 15 year old who broke into a recycling facility in St. Paul, stole a Cat front end loader, drove it 28 miles between St. Paul and Minneapolis, including over the river, through downtown Minneapolis and to a western suburb where he decided he wanted a faster ride and smashed the side of a building of a used car sales place looking for car keys… got caught there when the alarm triggered and he was apprehended…
Seriously, 28 miles with a front end loader and nobody called the cops or got injured? That’s awesome… And very bad and he should be ashamed of himself…
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Baud
@? Martin: I don’t think he’ll have an official position. Especially given his health.
Rubio was never all that popular. He really only won 2010 because Crist and Greene knocked each other in a three-candidate race that took away the moderate and liberal voters and left Rubio with the slight majority.
What happened was Rubio bought into the Narrative of himself becoming the GOP answer to Obama even as a freshman Senator, and never put in the actual work to prove himself. The only things Floridians had on him was his track record of abusing party credit cards, and refusing to recognize how flooded the streets of Miami are getting thanks to climate change.
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Ella in New Mexico
Congrats to Hil!
But don’t forget the things the Sanders supporters care about.
Fight the OLIGARCHY!!!!!!!!1
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Baud
So does Kos keep his word about going into general election mode tomorrow?
@redshirt: Probably, and I’m pushing left-oriented friends to also (albeit with extreme difficulty). Still, doesn’t really matter whom I vote for in the general. My GE vote is worth about as much as the gum on the bottom of my shoe.
This is what makes it politics and not sports: once the decision gets made, the two Democratic candidates can join forces to frickin’ CRUSH the Republicans in November!
Open Thread? I’ve recently discovered this YouTube channel, via Jamie Oliver’s channel. I myself don’t indulge, for various reasons, but by golly those are the most enticing desserts I’ve ever seen.
The First Lady does do a pretty fair amount of officially unofficial diplomacy and issues-based advocacy. I don’t see why that would change just because the person in that position has different genitals.
I think she will eat Trump for breakfast. Even aside from the minor fact that he doesn’t know shit about shit, the combination of the one on one between him and her, his not so subtle sexism, and his disinclination to ever censor what he says is gonna make for some interesting debates.
IOW, it’s gonna be the equivalent of a “debate” between a tantrum-throwing two year old and a lifelong preschool teacher.
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Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: They were all at the links I posted. I did decide not to post the one where the anthropomorphic animal reenactor was holding the sign that said: “Free Hugs!”
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Mary
@eemom: I’m not terribly worried, but I’m baffled as to how one would actually prepare for a debate against Trump. Who could they find to stand-in for him in McKay debates, and how will the whole team not just crack up hysterically the whole time?
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lamh36
who is the pinched nosed fella behind Cruz? BTW, is he STILL talking?
The networks whiffed on Bernie’s speech.The networks whiffed on Bernie’s speech.
Kasich was uh, interesting and Hillary’s was very good. Both around 15 minutes.
Started Bernie’s and it was just under an hour. I lasted about 5 minutes.
@Amir Khalid: Illy-noi mostly, just to really confuse you.
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a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Amir Khalid: ill- uh- noy, I believe, but ask raven or BGinCHI
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different-church-lady
Berniacs at the GOS currently exhibiting all five stages of grief at once.
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JMG
Clinton is a better speaker than she gets credit for because of one huge flaw — the most common political speech flaw. She needs to be reminded that the most famous and revered American political speech, the Gettysburg Address, was also the shortest.
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Jeffro
@eemom: I think if she treats him like any other candidate and doesn’t buy into his insanity, she might do quite well. Stay away from the personal stuff (let subordinates whisper that stuff to the media and let them run with it), and just show America – as Obama has – who’s the adult in the room.
It’ll be something to see Trump veer all over the place on pretty much everything except Building. The. Wall (and maybe even that, too). That’s not a bad thing for HRC to point out, btw – “Donald, other than building a border wall, you have about as a great a command of policy specifics as my dog, only you’re less principled.”
Disheartening to his supporters when he inevitably trips up, appalling to whomever still considers themselves ‘on the fence’ in America, and a real rallying point for the entire center-Left.
@Jeffro: It’s going to be priceless when he starts blathering on about her period.
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Beatrice
So, if I were to ask Ted Cruz what are the top three government regulations that are crushing small businesses and killing jobs, what would he name? Would genuinely like to know the answer.
I’m just wondering if anyone here can get me back into Grumbine’s Political Mosh Pit so I can f*ck with the BernieBro proprietor. Some more. Like, a whole lot more.
Yes. Rahm will deliver like Richard J did for JFK.
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Amir Khalid
@Mary:
If eemom is right, and it seems she is, there’s no problem. someone on Hilary’s debate prep team must have a three-year-old they can bring along.
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
This would be correct. (My state is full of places with French and Spanish names completely butchered by the residents.)
As to my credentials as an Illinoisan, we’ve been here since the 1850s and I’m a sixth-generation native. Any other resident of the state here may present their credentials, and there pronunciation.
I just wish our current governor didn’t so completely suck.
ETA to close parentheses.
who is the pinched nosed fella behind Cruz? BTW, is he STILL talking?
That asshole is impressively long-winded. The first night of elections, he was talking a while and I actually felt bad for him they cut him off for Hillary. But when Hillary was done speaking, he was still going on and on. My friend had to change the channel.
@different-church-lady: So many opportunities to let Donald be Donald…it truly boggles the mind.
I’d be tempted to stop in mid-debate, look like I’d had a sudden flash of insight, and note that the best way to explain Trump to someone is as “Palin with a comb-over” but HRC is probably better than that.
Slightly OT but geez I sure hope Cruz isn’t able to extort his 20-25% of the delegates into a VP slot on someone’s ticket during all this upcoming convention chaos. I’m won’t be satisfied until he is completely out of the national picture.
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PhoenixRising
@Beatrice: My kid’s response: Is he trying to kill us all?
(Her knowledge of federal government regulations comes from a friend of the family who inspects drug manufacturing plants.)
Live somewhere near Des Plaines, do you? ;-). Though Goethe Street is probably the most hair-raising example for Amir, who is a student of the German language.
(I would be able to say how long the maternal side of my family has been in Illinois if my brother could remember where he put the family tree. Quite a while, I think.)
Who could they find to stand-in for him in [mock?] debates, and how will the whole team not just crack up hysterically the whole time?
Darrell Hammond? Though his Bill Clinton skits may not endear him to Team HRC.
Look, we know that El Trumpador is needy and touchy and a walking bag of neuroses. We also know that the media is ready to deploy Gore Sigh template if HRC treats him like a nincompoop gobshite whose only experience is in name-branding deals and nabbing shit by eminent domain. But HRC and her team know that as well.
But the real shibboleth is the way natives pronounce “Chicago.” It’s not “ChiCAWgo,” and it’s not “ChiKAAHgo,” but something nuanced and subtle in between which I don’t know how to explain.
Don’t worry. I have no intent on playing spoiler in November.
Given that I live in a very blue state, I’m kind of inclined to put your name on the ballot as a write-in candidate, but OTOH, I really want to vote for the lady in the blue jacket tonight. I had a vision of her official portrait as president, and I think that she will struggle to not be grinning like a cheshire cat.
I’m in for a tenner for your PAC, though – because internet connections aren’t free…(except for mine – it’s included in my rent!)
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Oregon Rose
According to TPM, MO and IL are still too close to call. Practically speaking, this of course means that the delegates in those states will be more or less divide equally.
I’m still trying to think of what the equivalent of purple-heart band-aids would be at this Dem convention, to mock Trump, and it’s just not possible…we are not that kind of people, even if the GOP deserves it.
Nevertheless, along these lines (mocking and deflating Trump), I think HRC is on point when she talks about what an embarrassment Trump is with his buffoonish behavior.
It’s very relatable (and not just to women): Trump is literally every person’s ranting, low-info uncle; their misogynist brother-in-law; their racist cousin; their shady used-car frat bro; their scam-artist brother; their insecure, equipment-mentioning ex-boyfriend; their xenophobic roommate or grandpa…I could go on but you get the picture. I think it’s EXTREMELY effective.
Do that and just run as the composed, policy-smart, compassionate adult in the room, Hillz. The voters will get it.
By the way, what’s still out in Illinois is St. Clair County, which should lean heavily Clinton, some random slow counties (like mine) that are moseying through the count but don’t have enough votes left to swing the lead, and a few tiny counties where next to no one lives. Plus some still to come from Cook County.
And in Missouri, according to HuffPo, a St. Louis County has precincts out, and they seem to be sitting on St. Louis City, which is heavily African American.
If you think I’m boring on this topic, you should here me talk about federal grant management.
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different-church-lady
@normal liberal: [perks up] What kind of federal grants?
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delk
@Prescott Cactus: Central Community Hospital, 5701 S. Wood St
It’s been closed for awhile.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m still trying to think of what the equivalent of purple-heart band-aids would be at this Dem convention, to mock Trump, and it’s just not possible…we are not that kind of people, even if the GOP deserves it.
Also, Mr Sweet-Potato-Heads with troll doll hair and big, lipless mouths would be too big to carry around the floor and might cause some legal trouble with Hasbro, or Parker Bros, or whomever
I think Hillz can do a lot with body language – a la the Benghazi hearings….
Rest her arm and elbow nearest Trump on the podium, her head and cheek on her other upraised fist and arm and indulge in some eyebrow action and occasional eye roll directed at the moderator and audience….and then reply “Yeah – so….” as she gets on with it.
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divF
@Omnes Omnibus: I immediately think of Grosse Pointe Blank.
The next big thing in wingnut unhingment is going to be obscure passages from the founding fathers proving they never intended to allow women to be president.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Trump looks like he eats cheetos in a big bowl by plunging his whole face in – while wearing swim goggles. This would be a fun meme if he gets the nom.
I saw that movie in California with a friend who is originally from Detroit and she was the only one in the whole theater who got the joke about “the most mysterious disappearance since white flight.”
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Anoniminous
And in the cognitively challenged corner of the Infotainment Mediums Chris Matthews suggests Hillary Clinton pick John Kasich for her veep.
And in Missouri, according to HuffPo, a St. Louis County has precincts out, and they seem to be sitting on St. Louis City, which is heavily African American.
San Looeee has always been the very last to report votes. I’ve seen several elections reverse course as it came it, but it should go Clinton.
We all nearly tumbled from out seats laughing when that came up on the big screen. Back when movie theaters had really, really big screens.
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? Martin
@redshirt: Well, Former President basically allows everyone to avoid dealing with First Husband by giving Former President some formal role to distract from picking out the annual Christmas Tree.
I suspect there are only a few of us who remember (shudder) octal.
I remember octal. My dad is the best at octal of anyone I know; thanks to an unfortunate accident, it’s easier for him to count octal on his fingers than decimal.
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magurakurin
@Mike J: looks like MO is going for Sanders. A bad night for him though. Clinton will have a 300+ delegate lead. This thing is over.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
OnceEvenTheLiberalMSNBC has Nicole Wallace and Ben Ginsberg to discuss the results.
Damn, Nicole Wallace is dumb.
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Mnemosyne
I should be doing more research on my novel, but Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance is waiting on my Kindle. Decisions, decisions …
(I really enjoy research, so I’m a little afraid of falling down a rabbit hole once I start.)
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Peale
@JMG: I am imaging them writing their own marriage vows. Hers take 45 minutes. His go on for three hours.
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Mike in NC
First time that I’ve seen this Nicole Wallace, GOP strategist. What an airhead.
But Cusack was from Evanston, so I guess I’ve always considered it “Evanston Blank.” But I’m such a dweeb I didn’t even get the pun in the name until someone (not too) patiently pointed it out to me.
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normal liberal
@Mnemosyne:
Solid Midwestern WYSIWYG.
And the German side of the family settled about ten miles north on the Mispronounced River. We had the deed to the property they bought in Chicago. On Oak Street. In 1866. ”Twas a shame about the fire…
Darrell Hammond? Though his Bill Clinton skits may not endear him to Team HRC.
Actually, my recollection of those skits is that they greatly actually improved Clinton’s popularity during the Impeachment by presenting him as the mischievous playboy running circles around the hapless Republicans.
Chris Matthews suggests Hillary Clinton pick John Kasich for her veep.
WHUT?
(alternatively):
Bwahahahahahaha!!
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
Huh. Chuck Todd just said something interesting. Trump is not creating new Republican voters, he’s getting Republican GE voters to vote in primaries. ETA: He says he has looked at data to come to that conclusion.
ETA, A: @SiubhanDuinne: Katich was Tweety’s first ever political man-crush. At least the first I knew of. All that son-of-a-mailman affect goes right to Tweety’s heart.
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Peale
@Anoniminous: I can see why Tweety’s role in the Carter administration was speechwriter and not political strategist.
Played softball (16″) with some back of the yard & Canaryville guys and I thought they had a funny accent.
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NonyNony
@different-church-lady: They don’t have to be that obscure. Article 2 of the Constitution specifies “he” when speaking of the President and, hey, did you know that The Founders didn’t even want women to vote?
I’m even willing to concede the point to them. Because so what – the Founders believed a lot of stupid shit (see slavery for one example).
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Emma
@Mnemosyne: The Captain, by all means. You will love it.
North Shore for my family — Lake Forest, Highwood, Highland Park. I moved all the way out to California and still managed to marry someone from Oak Park.
And in the cognitively challenged corner of the Infotainment Mediums Chris Matthews suggests Hillary Clinton pick John Kasich for her veep.
I think we’re going to see the centrists ramping up this Bipartisan Party of the Center crap increasingly when, as expected, Trump gets creamed in the general. Basically the Republican establishment is being forced off a cliff by the monster they themselves created and they have this insane hope the Dems will jump with them.
In Grosse Pointe, “Goethe” Street is pronounced “GO-THEE”.
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delk
@Prescott Cactus: Grew up in the Back of the Yards. We get groceries at the Mariano’s on Archer and Ashland.
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Anoniminous
Methinks a person’s title is the highest rank achieved unless they are actively serving in another official position in which case they are called by that title. First Lady or “Official Spousal Unit” or whatever is not an official rank or constitutional office so it should be President and President Clinton.
Them was back in the days before Johnson forced the computer industry, using overriding purchasing power of the Federal government, to knock it off with the stupid proprietary stuff and to use ASCII. Another vicious interference with the Invisible Appendage by the forces of Socialism. (And praise Jeebus for it)
That’s what I hear. I was very annoyed by Diplomatic Immunity so I had skipped the sequels, but I caught up with Cryoburn and now everyone says I need to read Vorpatril before I read the latest one.
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magurakurin
I just talked on the phone with a friend in Portland, Oregon. He’s from Mexico, but has lived in the US for over 20 years. He asked me if Hillary Clinton was going to beat “that other guy,” and if Trump really had a chance to win it all. Hahaha, “that other guy,” nice.
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Peale
@smith: but all those centrist republican votes are up for grabs. All we need to do is adopt those centrist republican policies to attract them. You know…the same policies trump has only we agree not to swear as much.
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seaboogie
@Miss Bianca: Actually, for a really authentic Chicago accent, John Cusack’s sister Joan pretty much nails it. Maybe in High Fidelity, which was so much fun to watch because it is a great movie and they play brother and sister. I loves me some Joan Cusack. Her character in Shameless was my favorite when I watched it.
Not that I waste time watching him, but expect him to repeat it periodically until the cows come home. He has a history of getting a bee in his bonnet with something he thinks is oh so clever or oh so pithy and mouthing it over and over. And over.
Remember the unwieldy phrase “the Scranton to Oshkosh corridor?” Believe he may still drag that out from time to time and remains miffed it never caught on.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: IMDb disagrees. Also, it looks nothing like Evanston. It is clearly not the North Shore of Chicago,
@Anoniminous: EBCDIC a victim of state socialism? I never knew.
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normal liberal
@different-church-lady:
Mostly transportation, with some EPA and HUD thrown in for the entertainment. The HUD protocol for reporting on grant expenditures is the work of the devil.
So, if I were to ask Ted Cruz what are the top three government regulations that are crushing small businesses and killing jobs, what would he name?
1) Obamacare
2) Minimum wage
3) Clean Air Act
I’m less sure about #3. I can imagine the Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, or some workplace safety regulation getting in there. But I’m pretty sure Obamacare would be job killing regulation #1.
@Miss Bianca: There used to be a park in Sacramento called Goethe Park. Locals pronounced it GAY-tee. They named it after Charles Goethe, who founded CSUS. They renamed it because he also founded the Eugenics Society of Northern California and was a fan of pre-war Germany’s eugenics program.
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Tracy Ratcliff
@Mnemosyne: Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance is heavy on the comedy and romance, but light on action for a Bujold novel. However it’s on my short list for re-reading when I just want something light and fun to get me out of a rut. Do schedule the reading time so you can do the last 3 chapters together.
Shit, the laudanum must have started kicking in tonight sooner than I reckoned on.
OK, I *must* be right about only a few scenes shot in GP, tho’. Cuz, laudanum or no, the only things I recognized were the scene outside the Grosse Pointe News building (which I think was supposed to be – ha ha, AS IF – a community radio station. And maybe one of the scenes in the high school).
ETA: Wow, you can look up *locations* on IMDB? Great, *another* reason to waste time on that site
Believe he may still drag that out from time to time and remains miffed it never caught on.
There’s a great moment in the Hitchhiker’s books, where Ford Prefect is humming one note over and over again, hoping that someone will ask him why, and he’d say he was humming “Mad about the Boy”. And when it was pointed out to him that he was only humming one note, he’d explain that for reasons he hoped would be obvious he was leaving out the “…about the Boy” part. And he was highly irritated that nobody was asking.
Chuck Todd just said something interesting. Trump is not creating new Republican voters, he’s getting Republican GE voters to vote in primaries. ETA: He says he has looked at data to come to that conclusion.
I think that’s the first interesting thing Chuck Todd has said since he got Peter Principle’d up the NBC ladder. And it rings fairly true: a bunch of GOP November voters who found out in the autumn of ’08 and ’12 that the ‘Party Decides’ they don’t get a crazy demagogue, and want to change that.
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Adam L Silverman
@Mike in NC: She used to be known as Nicole Devenish before she got married. She was a White House spokesperson in the Bush 43 Administration.
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Davis X. Machina
@magurakurin: Named after Union general Darius Couch?
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normal liberal
@Mnemosyne:
It’s hard to argue with Oak Park.
And another thumbs up for the further adventures of Ivan Vorpatril, which sets up really neat backstory that is followed up in the latest Vorkosiverse book.
In Grosse Pointe, “Goethe” Street is pronounced “GO-THEE”.
: Faints. :
I was doing a trade show in NYC and the person I was working with wore a badge indicating that she was from Versailles, KY and I thought “I’m not going to even try…(I speak French). She said she was from Vir-SALL-ees. Also, Kentuckians like to say that they are from “KY – like the jelly”. Kind of a saucy bunch!
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different-church-lady
@Davis X. Machina: “I’m leaving the Democratic Party because the guy who only joined it four months ago isn’t going to be the nominee!”
@seaboogie: I always heard Ver sales, only two syllables
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Adam L Silverman
@Anoniminous: You are correct. Appointed and/or elected officials are referred to by their highest rank unless/until they are elected or appointed to either a higher office or a different one. So even though Colin Powell is a retired four star general, he is now referred to as Secretary Powell as Secretary of State (or any other cabinet position) is higher than a four star general.
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Prescott Cactus
@delk: My union hall was near Racine and Pershing. For lunch during apprentice classes we would hit different neighborhood joints for our “1/2 hour”.
(Slaps him gently awake) I’m so, so sorry to have to break the news to you that way…
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normal liberal
@Mnemosyne:
I think you’ll like Gentleman Jole and the Long Title, which is kind of Cordelia’s version of A Civil Campaign.
And now italics don’t work on my iPad.
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O. Felix Culpa
@Tracy Ratcliff: What are these corporal vorpal swords of which you speak? It appears there is a cultural/literary phenomenon that has passed me by.
I’m less sure about #3. I can imagine the Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, or some workplace safety regulation getting in there. But I’m pretty sure Obamacare would be job killing regulation #1.
Cruz wouldn’t say the Clean Air Act, because that sounds like something good. He’d say “the EPA” and mean the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act.
It’s part of why they mostly talk about regulations and not laws. Regulations come from evil job-killing gubmint bureaucrats, even if the law they are implementing might seem to be well intentioned.
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pseudonymous in nc
I can’t remember which of Beaufort, NC and Beaufort, SC is “Bo-fort” versus “Byew-fort”. The less said about Boamfolk, GA, the better.
Appointed and/or elected officials are referred to by their highest rank unless/until they are elected or appointed to either a higher office or a different one.
Or ‘Coach’, which is the highest title in America, a land without titles.
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divF
@seaboogie:
I loves me some Joan Cusack too. She has a great comic presence.
She’s done 10 movies with brother John.
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Beatrice
@Roger Moore: I imagine you’re right. Repeal Obamacare is the answer to everything.
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delk
@Prescott Cactus: That’s an odd part of the city. Grid is all messed up around there.
@pseudonymous in nc: It would also fit with the fact that Trump’s negatives are even higher with independents than they are with Dems (or at least they were a couple of month ago when I read that.)
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normal liberal
@different-church-lady:
Sadly, no. Mostly lawyers and bankers. Does it count that all my colleagues assume I was an English major?
Probably not.
What are you considering? My office has looked at some community art program stuff.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
Chris Hayes looks sad. Bernie’s internals must suggest he’s gonna lose Illinois.
@Adam L Silverman: I once saw Ed Rendell deliver a longish explanation of that when someone referred to his good friend Tom Ridge as “Governor Ridge”. Was a real insight into that Secretary (Ambassador?) manqué’s PUMA bitterness. He never missed a chance to troll Obama during the first term.
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Adam L Silverman
@pseudonymous in nc: I think that’s only in the SEC and Texas high school football.
I don’t think that hotel is zoned for apparel removal engineers. They’d need a special type of cabaret license.
My dear sir, does this tidbit of information fall under the category of “special knowledge”? Or is this the sort of thing that everyone is supposed to know?
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divF
Looks like Hillary hangs on to win Illinois, Bernie to win Missouri, both barely (less that 2%).
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Mike in NC
@Amir Khalid: In Connecticut, the Thames River is actually pronounced “Thames”, not “Temz”.
Yeah. Lots of weird stuff happened back then that the current TechBros know not of. In my first job, fer instance, the mid-level managers on the coding side and about half of the team leaders and five or six programmers were women. Eight years later there were zero at my then job & everybody looked at me like I had Slan-drils growing out of my head when I talked about working with women.
But a good confusion … thus beneficial for all concerned.
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seaboogie
@Mike J: I might be mis-remembering that. And that would make it a legit regional pronunciation.
One thing I’ve never understood is how we completely change the names of certain cities internationally. For instance, why do we call Firenze “Florence”? Or why do the French call London “Londres”? Paris seems to have escaped all of that, and we just vary the pronunciation.
I believe that all Italian place names should be kept as they are, since it is such a beautiful language that was actually chosen among the regional dialects.
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Mike J
@Mike in NC: I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced “throatwarbler mangrove”, but spelt, “Raymond Luxury Yacht.”
Sanders outspent Clinton in Missouri $1,400,000 to $400,000
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Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It can get a bit funky. Especially if you’re in a setting where you’d have contrasting ones. I could see Secretary Powell visiting military personnel and they wanting to call him general and no one batting an eye. Its the same thing with Secretaries Rice and Kissinger who went back to academic/quasi-academic positions. Most student don’t think to call their professor Secretary. I’ve had two colleagues who held ambassadorial rank, two who were assistant secretaries of defense. We all went by first names as we were all in, essentially at that time, equivalent billets. But of the five of us I was the most junior in age (obviously) and rank (I was a term appointment GS 15 under the Intergovernmental Personnel Act). In any other situation they should have and would have been addressed either by their titles, sir, or ma’am.
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Mnemosyne
For the Hamimaniacs, I can’t develop a proper crush on LMM because he and Vanessa are just too damn cute together. Get a room, you two!
I suspect there are only a few of us who remember (shudder) octal.
My father used to bring home huge stacks of 132 column fanfold line-printer paper so I could doodle on the blank backs. The sides with the green bars on them were usually covered with core dumps in octal.
It made sense to use octal rather than hexadecimal because these were Honeywell machines with 36-bit words and 18-bit addresses; that is, the bits were grouped in multiples of 3, and each octal digit represents 3 bits.
I think the computers on which the C language was first developed were similar, which is why in C and related languages, you represent octal by prefixing a number with just 0, but hexadecimal with 0x. Octal constants were more important originally.
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Tracy Ratcliff
@O. Felix Culpa: The novels of Lois McMaster Bujold, in this case the many novels of the Vorkosigan saga. They are the sort of novels that you loan out with a knowing smile, since you know the borrower will be back soon begging for more. They start out military science fiction, morph into mystery/political sf, and finally end up at romance sf (with political thriller implications).
So where in America, if anywhere at all, is the place name Goethe pronounced as it would be in Germany?
Maybe in Pennsylvania where there are a lot of Amish folks? And I am probably mistaken, but they often live near places with Welsh names that you have no idea of how to pronounce.
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Amir Khalid
@seaboogie:
I remember a writer on The Guardian’s football page asking why FC Bayern München is called Bayern Munich FC in English, and not Bavaria Munich FC.
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O. Felix Culpa
@Tracy Ratcliff: Sounds intriguing. I might go to the library and get me some. Where is the best place to start this addiction?
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: Doesn’t Kissinger insist on “Dr”? I don’t know why I think that, I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about him, except of course as proof that Hillary is an evil warmongering secret Republican.
The big news seems to be that Katich has hired two old geezers who fought out the last contested convention between Ford and Reagan. Can anyone on their side possibly think for a moment that He, Trump is going to endorse, or step aside for, or not lay waste to the candidate who took his nomination, if it even happens? He’s not just going to go rogue, he’s going to let in the jungle.
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magurakurin
@Mike J: Actually being a country bumpkin myself from the little town of Philadelphia, in my youth I made a trip up to the City. I didn’t know shit about New York and me and a friend spent an hour asking people where Houston (the city in Texas) Street was. Most of the city folk blew us two hicks off, but one kind New Yawker took pity on us and said, most politely, oh you mean Houston (the street in New York) Street. We felt like the rubes that we were. We finally found what we were looking for, the Acme Bar and Grill.
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Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: As a post-doc at UF I taught state and local politics. This was while Hillsborough County and the City of Tampa were going through the great strip joint zoning and regulation meltdown. As a result of the amount of coverage it got in the state’s newspapers and on tv news, it also got a lot of coverage (ironic, huh?) in class. So I know far more about this than I should.
Long story short: Tampa’s idiot mayor, who’s hobby was collecting spatulas, and in his non political job was as a land developer, decided after goading to go after all the strip clubs in the city. This was mirrored by a completely insane Hillsborough County Commissioner from Brandon who’s goal in life was regulating everyone else’s sexy time (she also put her makeup on with a wagner power painter…). The problem for Mayor Spatula was that he decided to pick this particular fight with Joe Redner, who is basically the ecdysiac magnate in West Central Florida. Redner, of course, made it very clear that because he was required by statute and regulation to have video of all his clubs, he would be perfectly happy making all the tapes of Mayor Spatula and his business partners, and all the other good, upstanding, and upright (see what I did there?) burghers of Tampa and Hillsborough County as they brought their out of town business and political and financial contacts to his clubs. The whole thing was hysterical.
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Mike in NC
@pseudonymous in nc: I think the Beaufort in SC is called “Byewfort”. It’s located about midway between Charleston and Savannah. We stayed there several years ago at the Marine Corps Air Station BOQ, where they provided free booze. How civilized!
I can’t remember which of Beaufort, NC and Beaufort, SC is “Bo-fort” versus “Byew-fort”. The less said about Boamfolk, GA, the better.
My personal favorite weird pronunciation is Norfolk, NE, which is pronounced “Norfork”. They at least have a good excuse. It was originally intended to be “Norfork”, but the Post Office assumed they had misspelled Norfolk and “corrected” it. The locals continued to pronounce it as it was intended to be pronounced, rather than the way it’s spelled.
@Mnemosyne: that was great. Thanks, I miss those guys.
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Uncle Cosmo
Looking at the MO results (NB you can get county totals including % of precincts reporting by mousing over the map): What remains out seems to be St. Louis City (~47% of precincts not reported) & St. Louis County (~7.6% out). If the precincts still out are of comparable size to the ones reported already & the votes break about the same, Bernie wins MO by ~2,700 votes out of ~570,000 cast.
But those are major assumptions & probably unsupportable: Based on my experience in MD, heavier voting precincts tend to report later.
(NB I had to laugh when I saw that Lewis County in far NE MO was neither shade of blue, but gray. Because no one won it–Bernie & Hill tied with 239 votes apiece.)
C was developed on a PDP-7 and DEC was already using ASCII. The prefix was needed because IBM machines running EBCDIC were very common and the chance C would be needed to be run on those machines was 100%. But – Jeebus – talk about Bug City, the compilers were so wonky they wouldn’t always catch it and so you’d have two constants or variables with the same name but different values.
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Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s going to pit a hundred or so delegates against whatever plurality or bare majority that Trump comes in with? Sure, makes perfect sense.
As for Secretary Kissinger, I have no idea. Never met him and don’t have any plans to do so. So no one has every had to prep me on protocol.
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? Martin
@pseudonymous in nc: Chuck was always very good at the data stuff. He should have stuck with that.
Nicole Wallace is one of the 2 geniuses who vetted Sarah Palin prior to John McCain choosing her to be his running mate.
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? Martin
@Uncle Cosmo: This is pretty traditional. Same problem in 2008 – it came down to the last 2% reporting and the race flipped once the most heavily african-american districts landed.
Katich has hired two old geezers who fought out the last contested convention between Ford and Reagan.
They must be in their nineties.
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? Martin
Looks like they’re calling Illinois for Clinton – though they’ll likely split delegates pretty evenly, so it really doesn’t matter very much who got that last 1%. Same for MO.
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O. Felix Culpa
@Mnemosyne: Oooh…good books and free! A most excellent combination. Thanks for the suggestion.l
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Mike J
@Adam L Silverman: I’m not an expert on Tampa adult entertainment, but i drove past and noticed the architecture while working for a client down there.
The binary machine-code instruction set of the influential PDP/11 series of minicomputers was laid out extremely regularly, or “orthogonally”, with three-bit fields that mapped perfectly onto octal. You could directly read an octal dump of memory if you had spent much time in that environment.
So on the PDP/11 architecture, in assembly, octal dump and indeed octal notation was standard, and hex was “funny”, IBM-ish. And in just such an environment was Unix born. So octal runs deep in Linux utilities.
OTOH, one seldom sees base 4 notation.
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Eljai
Hugh Hewitt was just on MSNBC crowing about how Arnold Schwarzenegger will campaign for Kasich in California. Arnold left the state with a huge deficit and a low approval rating. So, good luck with that.
@Prescott Cactus: I went to nursing school at Little Company back in the 70s. Till I got thrown out for being too non-conformist, according to Sister Michael.
I used a copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves to teach my Catholic fellow students about birth control.
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? Martin
Most interesting in Missouri – both Dem and GOP races are within about 2500 votes.
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Tracy Ratcliff
@O. Felix Culpa: About anywhere, since Bujold is very good about writing stand-alone novels with just enough clever info-dump to get you up to speed, but she recommends going in more-or-less internal chronology order. I’d recommend at least reading the novels Memory, Komarr and A Civil campaign in that order. The first novel is Shards of Honor, Bujold’s first novel with some normal first-novel issues. The next in the series timeline is Barrayar, actually about 10th published, and the one where she says she really figured out what she was doing (although she was good enough to get Hugo and Nebula award nominations as a learning writer). They’re currently published in one omnibus together as Cordelia’s Honor. The next novel starts the adventures of Cordelia’s son Miles that make up the bulk of the series.
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Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: If I’m recalling correctly from when I was a little kid, the saucer was originally a local ice cream soft serve and novelty stand/shop. When the guy who opened that club realized he needed something to compete with Redner’s better established business across the street, he bought it, placed it on top of the club, and basically turned it into his VIP lounge.
This is not universally true, however. Canadians, par exemple, tend not to use any former titles. I used to do a fair amount of work with the Carter Center, specifically the Council of Freely-Elected Heads of Government, of which former Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark was an active member. I remember at one meeting in Atlanta I addressed a question to him, “Mr. Prime Minister…” and he interrupted me with a big smile and said “This is why I always love coming to the United States! I get much more respect than in Canada!” Everyone laughed, and he and President Carter went into a nice little side riff about which system of honorifics was preferable for a former HoG. (In private he was very much a “call me Joe” guy; I could never bring myself to address him by his first name, although my [Canadian] bosses were perfectly comfortable with it.)
ETA: I have no idea if this is true with military titles, but for elected officials, the title disappears with the job.
@SiubhanDuinne: I interned at the Carter Center going into my senior year at Emory.
Hopefully the Middle East director, if it was the same guy as when I was there, didn’t try to chase you around the desk in his office.
As for titles and appellations: I wasn’t talking about anything or anyplace but the US. I don’t know the protocols for other countries. I know what those ranks and titles are and I know how I’m expected to address people from them, but I was specifically referring to the US.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Amir Khalid: You made me look. Stuart Spencer is 89, Charlie Black (old Bush I hand, as I recall, and with all the genteel sleeze that suggests) is a child of 69
One thing I’ve never understood is how we completely change the names of certain cities internationally.
In some cases, it’s because the name got into English long enough ago that it’s diverged in the two languages since then, and not always with the English version changing more. Florence, for instance, was originally Florentia; I’m not sure how the Italians managed to change that into Firenze. There’s something similar with Cologne, which is much closer to the Latin Colonia than Köln is.
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David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Hillary wins 4 big states and Sanders wins 1 medium state.
Which make tonight a virtual tie.
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Mike in NC
@Roger Moore: Being stationed in the Navy in Norfolk, VA, everybody from elsewhere pronounced it “Norfolk” but the locals called it “Nofuk”.
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O. Felix Culpa
@Tracy Ratcliff: Thanks! These books should keep me in literary crack for a while.
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magurakurin
boy, MO is really close. 10% left in St. Louis Co and Kansas City. Both heavily going for Clinton, she might just find 2000 more votes there. This goes out to people who say my vote doesn’t matter. Every vote matters.
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Mike in NC
@Eljai: Whackjob Hugh Hewitt and Lindsay Graham would make a cute couple.
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seaboogie
@Adam L Silverman: Okay – you made me look up “ecdysiac” – and I’m probably not the only one.
The breadth of your knowledge and experience is astonishing, and the depth of your analysis (and humor, when called for) is equally impressive.
To which I will add, that you follow the threads that you post on or in which you comment is absolutely stellar. Very nice to have “fresh horses” here on the blog.
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Amir Khalid
@Mike in NC:
As I recall, Chuck Berry pronounced it “nor folk” in his song Promised Land.
The big news seems to be that Katich has hired two old geezers who fought out the last contested convention between Ford and Reagan. Can anyone on their side possibly think for a moment that He, Trump is going to endorse, or step aside for, or not lay waste to the candidate who took his nomination, if it even happens?
That may be about bartering his delegates in exchange for some kind of concession or position rather than an attempt to take the nomination for himself. If Trump and Cruz have the most delegates but neither has an outright majority, Kasich would be in position to throw the nomination to whomever gives him the most.
(FWIW, I once had a big orange marmalade cat named “Pounce de Lion.”)
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Uncle Cosmo
MO margin is 2,125 Sanders — with 40 precincts from St. Louis County still out, where Clinton is running 10.1% ahead in the other 493. If size & percentages hold, Bernie wins the state by <1,000 votes. But if the outstanding precincts are twice as large, or Hillary doubles her margin over him, then she takes MO.
Not that it makes much difference except for the optics.
The PDP-11 was a damn fine machine for its day. The instruction set was simple and powerful which is why Rockwell, etc., used it for the 6502. I’m a Real Time micro-code/assembly language guy as C was too slow and had too much overhead for the stuff I had to do. I mostly worked with the hardware guys building computers and embedded systems so never got into Operating Systems once the BIOS was written.
ETA: We used to call 4 bits a “nybble” but I guess that’s ancient jargon
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seaboogie
@Roger Moore: Thank you for the explanation. I really appreciate the wide range of experience and knowledge here in BJ Land.
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moonbat
According to GOS, St Louis County is now reporting 100% and it’s
Clinton 89,134
Sanders 70,871
That’s an odd part of the city. Grid is all messed up around there.
In the late 70’s it was a melting pot. Rail line trunk and South branch of the Chicago River made standard Chicago grid navigation “clustered”.
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Uncle Cosmo
@Mike J: Guardian site linked in one of the earlier threads. Click here.
ETA: Clinton ahead by 1,199 votes with 37 precincts out, only 1 of which is in St. Louis County. (In fact I think that’s a typo, not 3004 but 3040 of 3041 reporting, ‘cuz I can’t find any others out.)
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Matt McIrvin
Hillary had seemed to be way overperforming the polls in Ohio early in the evening, but ultimately the polls on the D side all turned out to be not too far off. Bernie modestly overperformed in NC and Illinois.
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normal liberal
@O. Felix Culpa:
Bujold includes her recommended reading order in an appendix in each book, some of which include a timeline based on the central character’s age. Unsurprisingly, people on the internet have gone to great length to interpret all the clues and assemble an historical link back to now.
It’s a thousand years in the future, Earth is habitable and populated, and humans and their various accessories have settled a bunch of other planets, using a variety of social patterns.
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O. Felix Culpa
Hillary now with 1200 vote lead over Bernie.
ETA: In MO, but you knew that.
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David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn 2m2 minutes ago Brooklyn, NY
Clinton goes ahead in the AP count by 1,199 votes with 99% counted. A few precincts left in Jackson County, where Clinton leads
And I’m blushing. Right now, since all I’m doing is consulting, I have the time to follow and follow up. I am hoping that I will go back onto a permanent assignment soon and that may change the dynamic a bit depending on what the assignment is.
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Gex
@Roger Moore: I thought for sure the answer would be “All of them, Katie.”
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nastybrutishntall
@Davis X. Machina: That site is like Kos for kindergarteners. Speed for radical kamikaze unicorn-jockies. It’s also really ugly, my god.
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PhoenixRising
@nastybrutishntall: hey DU was a godsend back in ’03. Well designed too.
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O. Felix Culpa
@normal liberal: I see what you mean. A brave new world I will be entering.
I remember a writer on The Guardian’s football page asking why FC Bayern München is called Bayern Munich FC in English, and not Bavaria Munich FC.
That’s just weird, but it’s a common wobbly translation pattern for European sides: Sporting Lisbon and Real (not Royal) Madrid and so on. Though AC Milan is AC Milan and not AC MIlano because it was founded by English people living in Milan.
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? Martin
And that looks like a sweep for Clinton. Didn’t see that coming.
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Uncle Cosmo
I guess it wasn’t a typo–Clinton up by 1,122 with 3018/3041 precincts reporting. ETA: by 1,531 with only 2 precincts out.
The GOP side is a nailbiter too: Trump is up by 2,355 votes over Ooze with 62 precincts supposedly out. ETA: By 1,636 with 2 precincts out. Again, optics…
And glad to hear it. That guy was a scumbag. Vindictive, exploitative. He sexually propositioned one of my classmates, a woman I went to kindergarten and elementary school with, and he made it clear that not just a good recommendation for grad school was riding on it, but that he’d actively put the word out that she should not be admitted. In the case of one of my male classmates, despite being his advisor and honor’s thesis supervisor, he refused to do letters of recommendation for grad school because he’d just gone on sabbatical. Absolutely wretched person all the way down to his DNA.
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caring and sensitive
@Adam L Silverman:
Isn’t there an exception if the highest rank/title you had is one that is unique. IOW there are many Secretaries and judges and senators at any time, but there is only one president, so Colin Powell is referred to as Secretary Powell, but GWB, for example, should properly be referred to as Gov Bush
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Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: I saw that earlier and made sure to save the link.
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pseudonymous in nc
@Adam L Silverman: I suspect the upcoming basketball competition will show how broadly it’s used. ‘Well, Coach, what did you think of the first half?’ ‘Gotta say, Coach, I agree with you and Coach about how Kentucky played.’
(The silliest title that American pols drag along with them afterwards is ‘General’ for Attorneys General. Canadians and Australians are like the British in not really doing that stuff, though some of them like the whiff of ‘Prime Minister X’ from Americans.)
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Eljai
@Mnemosyne: Hewitt doesn’t like Trump and he is trying to convince himself that Kasich still has a chance. I can’t stand Hewitt, Trump or Kasich, but there you have it.
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Adam L Silverman
@caring and sensitive: Not that I’m aware. He is always President Bush. Though usually I see it in print as “former President Bush”. Since I’ve never been anywhere that the President or Vice President, of former Presidents or Vice Presidents, have come to visit, I’ve never had to read the protocol book for that stuff.
Coming from downstate – I never heard anyone pronounce the “s” who actually lived in Illinois.
I still remember the state song:
By thy rivers gently flowing, Illinois, Illinois
By thy verdant grasses growing Illinios, Illinois
Comes an echo on the breeze
Rustling through thy leafy trees
And its mellow tones are these – Illinois, Illinois
To know someone who has this album is to know someone who needs a restraining order.
(It’s #2 on the list of 25.)
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Amir Khalid
@pseudonymous in nc:
Sporting Lisbon, Boca Juniors, Newell’s Old Boys, and Athletic Bilbao, among other famous clubs, use an English word in their names because they were founded by Britons in the early days of football.
Tampa’s idiot mayor, who’s hobby was collecting spatulas,
I’ve lost faith in Darwin.
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Mike J
@Amir Khalid: And the MLS has Real Salt Lake (not to mention Sporting KC) because they want to pretend to be in the big leagues.
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Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: The only characters from Marvel I really like are the Incredible Hulk, She-Hulk, and a handful of the X characters/mutants. The only Marvel books I used to actually collect/read regularly were the Incredible Hulk, She-Hulk, and a bunch of the X titles. I stopped buying the X titles when I started to need a link chart and a social network analysis to keep everything straight. And when I stopped buying those, I stopped buying the two Hulk books as well.
Dazzler was okay, but I much preferred Storm, adult Kitty Pryde, Domino (the actual one, not Copycat as Domino), Rogue, Polaris (before she got possessed by Zaladane), and Rachel Summers/Baby Phoenix.
@Adam L Silverman:
I was a New Mutants fan, before Liebfeld happened. Rahne Sinclair (Wolfsbane) was my favorite character when she was twelve, painfully shy and haunted by her hyper-religious Catholic upbringing.
There are way too many Marvel titles in which only certain relatively short runs stand out.
Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants or (very early) Frank Miller on Daredevil, for example.
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Amir Khalid
@Mike J:
I always wondered, when did the King of Spain grant Real Salt Lake a royal charter? Because that’s how Real Madrid and Real Betis got the right to use that word. (I’m not even going to ask about the Kansas City Royals.)
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Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: I liked her character. Liefeld was and is horrible!
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Davebo
@Anoniminous: The PDP 11 ran the flight and tactics simulators I worked with in the the Navy in the mid 80’s.
First lesson I learned, if you see a door open on the backplane DO NOT CLOSE IT!!
We’re the girls from Norfolk Tech!
We don’t smoke or drink or neck!
Norfolk! Norfolk! Norfolk!
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Prescott Cactus
@satby: I used a copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves to teach my Catholic fellow students about birth control.
Little Company was hand in hand with St Bernadette’s Church. I don’t think they taught birth control until a female would reach age 40 (and had 6 kids).
wow. wow. @Redistrict notes Trump is losing 2 IL delegates bc his voters skipped voting for his delegate candidates named Sadiq & Fakroddin.— Taniel (@Taniel) March 16, 2016
Trump supporters’ Islamophobia just cost him two delegates.
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Adam L Silverman
@Anya: To quote my favorite rhyming demon: “See man’s final disgrace, he cuts his nose to spite his face”.
The Clinton Derangement Syndrome sufferers are just blinded by their hatred.
In this speech, Hillary mentioned something about how America needed to “engage its allies, not alienate them” — quite obviously an attack line against Trump and his slanging of Mexico, Europe etc.
Then I saw a tweet from Max Blumenthal retweeted by Billmon that she was referring to Obama and Israel and she was “dissing” Obama for supposedly not supporting Israel.
What??? Why would any sane person jump to the conclusion that she meant something like that? These people really are deranged.
@Amir Khalid: That fellow’s early, Amir. When/if Bernie wins all three states mentioned that’s when to pay attention. We don’t know if that can even happen. The primaries have been full of surprises.
WAY too early to say. Besides, he buys into every last Berniac theory, which seems excessive. Some of Hillary’s victories have been because she’s a tough, tough opponent.
I am, shall we say, very interested to see which way Hils tacks now. The big big question is (a) whether she figures she no longer needs the hippies now, and (b) whether she’s actively out to punish them.
VERY glad Elizabeth Warren didn’t endorse Bernie. We need her undamaged. Or at least, damaged only by DWS undermining her work, not by Hillary also trying to take her down?
@Prescott Cactus: “Shi cah go. That’s as close as I can come to phonetically.”
No other way to pronounce it, unless you count Shi caw go or Kelly Bundy’s reference as a short-lived weathergirl: Chick ah go.
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Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Marcia: I’ve usually heard the “ah” sound as closer to the ä in German than the “say ahhhhh” sound most people think of when they see that sort of phonetic spelling.
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schrodinger's cat
You go girl!
Baud
It was the best speech I’ve heard from her this campaign.
The networks whiffed on Bernie’s speech.
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: Where is your concession speech?
lamh36
Any IL peeps willing to jump in on how they think it’ll pan out?
We’ll know soon enough.
lamh36
So Cruz only state left to possibly win is Missouri? And those numbers are too close to call…?
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat:
Hillary hasn’t got a majority yet.
Don’t worry. I have no intent on playing spoiler in November.
Anoniminous
From previous dying thread
Trump is down to a 1.5%, 6,046 votes, lead in Missouri.
lamh36
Best news of the night for BLM…
different-church-lady
I hear she bit the head off a live puppy and invited Kissinger on stage to eat the body. Is this true?
different-church-lady
@Anoniminous: It’s not dying: IT’S STRONGEST STATES ARE AHEAD OF IT!!!
Baud
@different-church-lady: It is now.
M31
Baud isn’t done! His incredible 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-11111!eleventy!! strategy has kept him in the race when many establishment candidates have fallen by the wayside
redshirt
So what role will Bill play in actuality? Will he meet with the Chinese? Diplomatically? In lieu of President Clinton?
Gardenfli
@different-church-lady:
It was a kitten, but otherwise, yes.
PsiFighter37
I would really rather that Cruz not win Missouri, just because anytime he wins he is such an insufferable asshole (more than usual), but I think if he pulls it out, it will help keep the vote splintered.
redshirt
@M31: Binary is a harsh mistress.
Anoniminous
@different-church-lady:
Ms. Laurie as a Super Front Pager threw the blog to Clinton so it’s all up with the Primary Ides of March. It ran a good campaign and we’re proud of it but it needs to throw its weight to the current reigning thread.
redshirt
@Anoniminous: Are you rooting for Cruz? God help you.
different-church-lady
@M31: He may yet come out of the smoldering ruins of the convention hall carrying the limp, unconscious, lung-scarred nomination in his arms.
? Martin
@lamh36: Close but to my eye it looks like Hillary will pull it off.
Missouri is tricky. St Louis always seems to come in last and can completely flip the rest of the state. Not unusually for Missouri to not get called until 95% in, even if there’s a pretty big gap up until then..
Tripod
@lamh36:
It’s immaterial. The pledged delegate breakout tonight is massive in Hillary’s favor.
Anoniminous
@redshirt:
Yup, she puts a hex on you.
benw
@redshirt: 10111
redshirt
@Anoniminous: 1111
Kropadope
Well, I’m certainly throwing in my Bernie towel.
different-church-lady
@Anoniminous: Why do programmers always get Christmas and Halloween mixed up?
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: it’s spring break. Heh.
lamh36
I hope Betty post that map of Florida showing the extent of Rubio’s loss. Sincerely, the ONLY folks who voted for Lil Marco were his neighbor and friends…I mean..WOW!
https://twitter.com/Aneerinyourear/status/709905605037678592/photo/1
Joel
@lamh36: Alvarez apparently spoke about how she could have made more money in the private sector during her concession. Well, opportunity is knocking, motherfucker…
Anoniminous
@redshirt:
I’m rooting for Cruz to win Missouri to keep the GOP nominating race 3-Way and thus in doubt. I want to see them go into the convention without a first ballot nominee. They are running out of time and delegates and if Cruz can take Missouri he keeps Trump from clinching.
PaulWartenberg2016
I see on Twitter the pundits are telling Hillary to not be so shouty.
Keep it up, MSM. The voters will back Shouty Lady and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.
Frankensteinbeck
Completely OT, but kind of awesome, remember that post about the furries and the Syrian refugee kids? A friend pointed me to some more photos, and the one that was on the post here was the least cool.
benw
@redshirt: I give your comment an F.
redshirt
@Kropadope: As long as you’re voting Hillary in the General. Are you?
? Martin
@redshirt: Its a really interesting question. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as Ambassador to the UN. A lot of new rules are going to be written with him, and the GOP will howl continuously through all of them.
MomSense
I can’t link because FYWP so I’ll just recommend the Cruz headline at the Onion.
Trinity
Loved it!
amk
Will she win IL?
BD of MN
I was watching the local nooz and in between election results they had a story of a 15 year old who broke into a recycling facility in St. Paul, stole a Cat front end loader, drove it 28 miles between St. Paul and Minneapolis, including over the river, through downtown Minneapolis and to a western suburb where he decided he wanted a faster ride and smashed the side of a building of a used car sales place looking for car keys… got caught there when the alarm triggered and he was apprehended…
Seriously, 28 miles with a front end loader and nobody called the cops or got injured? That’s awesome… And very bad and he should be ashamed of himself…
Baud
@? Martin: I don’t think he’ll have an official position. Especially given his health.
redshirt
@benw: Nescafe!
MomSense
@Frankensteinbeck:
Very sweet.
PaulWartenberg2016
@lamh36:
Rubio was never all that popular. He really only won 2010 because Crist and Greene knocked each other in a three-candidate race that took away the moderate and liberal voters and left Rubio with the slight majority.
What happened was Rubio bought into the Narrative of himself becoming the GOP answer to Obama even as a freshman Senator, and never put in the actual work to prove himself. The only things Floridians had on him was his track record of abusing party credit cards, and refusing to recognize how flooded the streets of Miami are getting thanks to climate change.
Ella in New Mexico
Congrats to Hil!
But don’t forget the things the Sanders supporters care about.
Fight the OLIGARCHY!!!!!!!!1
Baud
So does Kos keep his word about going into general election mode tomorrow?
debbie
@PaulWartenberg2016:
Screw that shouty shit. Women’s voices don’t project like men’s. She’s not a fraction as shrieky as Palin.
redshirt
@? Martin: First Husband is brand new. But also as a former President….
Amir Khalid
@BD of MN:
He’ll have an absolutely awesome story to tell his kids someday …
Anoniminous
@different-church-lady:
I do not know different-church-lady, why do programmers always get Christmas and Halloween mixed up?
different-church-lady
@amk: Depends on whether the organic farmers in Chicago turn out for Bernie.
different-church-lady
@Anoniminous: Because DEC 25 = OCT 31
Kropadope
@redshirt: Probably, and I’m pushing left-oriented friends to also (albeit with extreme difficulty). Still, doesn’t really matter whom I vote for in the general. My GE vote is worth about as much as the gum on the bottom of my shoe.
Anoniminous
@different-church-lady:
Are you here all week? Should we try the veal?
(I did tip my waitperson.)
ETA: that did give a chuckle. I suspect there are only a few of us who remember (shudder) octal.
Mnemosyne
@Ella in New Mexico:
This is what makes it politics and not sports: once the decision gets made, the two Democratic candidates can join forces to frickin’ CRUSH the Republicans in November!
redshirt
@Kropadope: Because California?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ella in New Mexico: and to Sanders supporters: Don’t forget the other branches of government.
FIGHT THE OLIGARCHY in Senate and House campaigns.
different-church-lady
@redshirt: Why not “First Gentleman”
Amir Khalid
Open Thread? I’ve recently discovered this YouTube channel, via Jamie Oliver’s channel. I myself don’t indulge, for various reasons, but by golly those are the most enticing desserts I’ve ever seen.
Kropadope
@redshirt: Massachusetts
different-church-lady
@Anoniminous:
I hope not — my material’s pretty thin.
Mnemosyne
@Baud:
The First Lady does do a pretty fair amount of officially unofficial diplomacy and issues-based advocacy. I don’t see why that would change just because the person in that position has different genitals.
Baud
@Mnemosyne:
Can’t wait. I was a little afraid that if Sanders did well today, both campaigns would turn up the negativity going forward. That seems unlikely now.
different-church-lady
@Amir Khalid: If he lives long enough to have any.
Anoniminous
Going to be a nail biter in Missouri. Went and checked and they allocate delegates by Congressional District … those rats.
lamh36
@PaulWartenberg2016: 67 counties…Rucbio won ONE!
Wow…dude went from “High” to splat in like no time flat…smh
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/skaitkling/tumblr_m8exblpPIT1rswh6io1_500.gif
Baud
Cruz is on my TV. Thankfully, the mute is on.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
The very sad man with the very pink face off Cruz’s right shoulder isn’t doing him any favors. I’m pretty sure I saw him yawn and roll his eyes…
Optics? How do they work?
Cheers,
Scott.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Mnemosyne
In the spirit of Hillary and Bernie supporters coming together to say, “Good game!” to each other, here’s Jewish Gene Siskel and Catholic Roger Ebert agreeing that all of the world’s troubles are due to the fecking WASPs.
eemom
I liked it too.
I think she will eat Trump for breakfast. Even aside from the minor fact that he doesn’t know shit about shit, the combination of the one on one between him and her, his not so subtle sexism, and his disinclination to ever censor what he says is gonna make for some interesting debates.
IOW, it’s gonna be the equivalent of a “debate” between a tantrum-throwing two year old and a lifelong preschool teacher.
Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: They were all at the links I posted. I did decide not to post the one where the anthropomorphic animal reenactor was holding the sign that said: “Free Hugs!”
Mary
@eemom: I’m not terribly worried, but I’m baffled as to how one would actually prepare for a debate against Trump. Who could they find to stand-in for him in McKay debates, and how will the whole team not just crack up hysterically the whole time?
lamh36
who is the pinched nosed fella behind Cruz? BTW, is he STILL talking?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@eemom:
That’s pretty much the perfect description.
Just Some Fuckhead
Tiny nose ghost man behind Cruz scares me.
lamh36
Amir Khalid
I can’t remember right now: do the natives pronounce Illinois “illy nwah” or “illy noise”?
Prescott Cactus
@Baud:
Just Some Fuckhead
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): agreed, eemom nailed it.
Anne Laurie
@? Martin:
Oh, that would be insanely entertaining! Trickster God Murphy please make it so!
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Amir Khalid: “There is no noise in Illinois.”
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
scav
@Amir Khalid: Illy-noi mostly, just to really confuse you.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Amir Khalid: ill- uh- noy, I believe, but ask raven or BGinCHI
different-church-lady
Berniacs at the GOS currently exhibiting all five stages of grief at once.
JMG
Clinton is a better speaker than she gets credit for because of one huge flaw — the most common political speech flaw. She needs to be reminded that the most famous and revered American political speech, the Gettysburg Address, was also the shortest.
Jeffro
@eemom: I think if she treats him like any other candidate and doesn’t buy into his insanity, she might do quite well. Stay away from the personal stuff (let subordinates whisper that stuff to the media and let them run with it), and just show America – as Obama has – who’s the adult in the room.
It’ll be something to see Trump veer all over the place on pretty much everything except Building. The. Wall (and maybe even that, too). That’s not a bad thing for HRC to point out, btw – “Donald, other than building a border wall, you have about as a great a command of policy specifics as my dog, only you’re less principled.”
Disheartening to his supporters when he inevitably trips up, appalling to whomever still considers themselves ‘on the fence’ in America, and a real rallying point for the entire center-Left.
delk
@Amir Khalid: Ill uh noy
different-church-lady
@Jeffro: It’s going to be priceless when he starts blathering on about her period.
Beatrice
So, if I were to ask Ted Cruz what are the top three government regulations that are crushing small businesses and killing jobs, what would he name? Would genuinely like to know the answer.
khead
I’m just wondering if anyone here can get me back into Grumbine’s Political Mosh Pit so I can f*ck with the BernieBro proprietor. Some more. Like, a whole lot more.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
Smile!
(In case the link doesn’t work, Joe Scarborough is a sexist ass.)
Baud
@Prescott Cactus:
Ha. I lasted about 10 minutes.
Prescott Cactus
@amk:
Yes. Rahm will deliver like Richard J did for JFK.
Amir Khalid
@Mary:
If eemom is right, and it seems she is, there’s no problem. someone on Hilary’s debate prep team must have a three-year-old they can bring along.
Mnemosyne
@Amir Khalid:
This t-shirt explains it.
Baud
@JMG: I didn’t find tonight overly long.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: Illinoy.
Baud
Clinton still leading by 44,000 in Illinois. Don’t know the state, but unless the remaining areas are really strong Bernie, I think she hangs on.
Eric S.
@lamh36: Foxx winning is great for Cook County.
normal liberal
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
This would be correct. (My state is full of places with French and Spanish names completely butchered by the residents.)
As to my credentials as an Illinoisan, we’ve been here since the 1850s and I’m a sixth-generation native. Any other resident of the state here may present their credentials, and there pronunciation.
I just wish our current governor didn’t so completely suck.
ETA to close parentheses.
Prescott Cactus
@delk:
Southsider: Ill in oy
Kropadope
@lamh36:
That asshole is impressively long-winded. The first night of elections, he was talking a while and I actually felt bad for him they cut him off for Hillary. But when Hillary was done speaking, he was still going on and on. My friend had to change the channel.
dr. bloor
@redshirt: Fixer-in-Chief.
Mike J
@Baud:
I hope he’s called John Hurt and has the war Doctor there to go on a war footing.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mary: @Amir Khalid: Bill.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
Is Donna Brazile asleep?
Prescott Cactus
@Baud: You probably have huge hands.
Baud
@Prescott Cactus: Probably.
Jeffro
@different-church-lady: So many opportunities to let Donald be Donald…it truly boggles the mind.
I’d be tempted to stop in mid-debate, look like I’d had a sudden flash of insight, and note that the best way to explain Trump to someone is as “Palin with a comb-over” but HRC is probably better than that.
Slightly OT but geez I sure hope Cruz isn’t able to extort his 20-25% of the delegates into a VP slot on someone’s ticket during all this upcoming convention chaos. I’m won’t be satisfied until he is completely out of the national picture.
PhoenixRising
@Beatrice: My kid’s response: Is he trying to kill us all?
(Her knowledge of federal government regulations comes from a friend of the family who inspects drug manufacturing plants.)
delk
@Prescott Cactus: I am a south sider!
Peale
@Beatrice: you’ve got to submit open contracts. You’re not allowed to bribe elected officials. You can’t force your employees to go to church.
Mnemosyne
@normal liberal:
Live somewhere near Des Plaines, do you? ;-). Though Goethe Street is probably the most hair-raising example for Amir, who is a student of the German language.
(I would be able to say how long the maternal side of my family has been in Illinois if my brother could remember where he put the family tree. Quite a while, I think.)
dr. bloor
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: Since 1996.
different-church-lady
@Jeffro:
Oh please oh please oh please, let the keynote speaker at the convention use that one!
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: There is your campaign theme song. From the heartland, well, Milwaukee. Here it is. “Big hands, I know you’re the one.”
pseudonymous in nc
@Mary:
Darrell Hammond? Though his Bill Clinton skits may not endear him to Team HRC.
Look, we know that El Trumpador is needy and touchy and a walking bag of neuroses. We also know that the media is ready to deploy Gore Sigh template if HRC treats him like a nincompoop gobshite whose only experience is in name-branding deals and nabbing shit by eminent domain. But HRC and her team know that as well.
Prescott Cactus
@delk: Little Company of Money Hospital
It’s been a while though.
Anoniminous
As of now delegates allocated:
Trump – 167
Cruz – 36
Kasich – 82
Rubio – 6
Missouri is still TBA. But it looks like Trump is going to walk away with most of them since no candidate got over 50% of the statewide vote.
SiubhanDuinne
@Amir Khalid:
Illy-nothin’. Swallow the second syllable.
Ill-uh-NOY.
But the real shibboleth is the way natives pronounce “Chicago.” It’s not “ChiCAWgo,” and it’s not “ChiKAAHgo,” but something nuanced and subtle in between which I don’t know how to explain.
seaboogie
@Baud:
Given that I live in a very blue state, I’m kind of inclined to put your name on the ballot as a write-in candidate, but OTOH, I really want to vote for the lady in the blue jacket tonight. I had a vision of her official portrait as president, and I think that she will struggle to not be grinning like a cheshire cat.
I’m in for a tenner for your PAC, though – because internet connections aren’t free…(except for mine – it’s included in my rent!)
Oregon Rose
According to TPM, MO and IL are still too close to call. Practically speaking, this of course means that the delegates in those states will be more or less divide equally.
Mnemosyne
@Jeffro:
My dog speaks more eloquently than thee!
Though, strangely, your mange is the same …
Davis X. Machina
@different-church-lady:
Are you sure? This implies that Clinton didn’t withdraw after her gaffes last week re Nancy Reagan/AIDS and Trump rally/Charleston statements.
Everyone knows no Democratic candidate can alienate PoC and LGBT voters like that and survive.
different-church-lady
@Davis X. Machina: I’m pretty sure she’s in this until June.
Jeffro
@different-church-lady: That would be excellent, wouldn’t it?
I’m still trying to think of what the equivalent of purple-heart band-aids would be at this Dem convention, to mock Trump, and it’s just not possible…we are not that kind of people, even if the GOP deserves it.
Nevertheless, along these lines (mocking and deflating Trump), I think HRC is on point when she talks about what an embarrassment Trump is with his buffoonish behavior.
It’s very relatable (and not just to women): Trump is literally every person’s ranting, low-info uncle; their misogynist brother-in-law; their racist cousin; their shady used-car frat bro; their scam-artist brother; their insecure, equipment-mentioning ex-boyfriend; their xenophobic roommate or grandpa…I could go on but you get the picture. I think it’s EXTREMELY effective.
Do that and just run as the composed, policy-smart, compassionate adult in the room, Hillz. The voters will get it.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
A more, um, entertaining way to remember.
normal liberal
By the way, what’s still out in Illinois is St. Clair County, which should lean heavily Clinton, some random slow counties (like mine) that are moseying through the count but don’t have enough votes left to swing the lead, and a few tiny counties where next to no one lives. Plus some still to come from Cook County.
And in Missouri, according to HuffPo, a St. Louis County has precincts out, and they seem to be sitting on St. Louis City, which is heavily African American.
If you think I’m boring on this topic, you should here me talk about federal grant management.
different-church-lady
@normal liberal: [perks up] What kind of federal grants?
delk
@Prescott Cactus: Central Community Hospital, 5701 S. Wood St
It’s been closed for awhile.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Also, Mr Sweet-Potato-Heads with troll doll hair and big, lipless mouths would be too big to carry around the floor and might cause some legal trouble with Hasbro, or Parker Bros, or whomever
Prescott Cactus
@SiubhanDuinne:
Shi cah go. That’s as close as I can come to phonetically.
seaboogie
@Jeffro: @eemom:
I think Hillz can do a lot with body language – a la the Benghazi hearings….
Rest her arm and elbow nearest Trump on the podium, her head and cheek on her other upraised fist and arm and indulge in some eyebrow action and occasional eye roll directed at the moderator and audience….and then reply “Yeah – so….” as she gets on with it.
divF
@Omnes Omnibus: I immediately think of Grosse Pointe Blank.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Shih-KAA-go.
Eric S.
@Amir Khalid: Ill-i-noy for this Chicagoan. Ill-i-noise is more of a southern thing in my experience.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: The horror.
different-church-lady
[ZOT!]
The next big thing in wingnut unhingment is going to be obscure passages from the founding fathers proving they never intended to allow women to be president.
zeecube
@different-church-lady: “First Gentleman” sounds about right.
Omnes Omnibus
@divF: Lovely movie, beautiful soundtrack.
seaboogie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Trump looks like he eats cheetos in a big bowl by plunging his whole face in – while wearing swim goggles. This would be a fun meme if he gets the nom.
NotMax
@seaboogie
“Please proceed, steak hawker.”
Mnemosyne
@divF:
I saw that movie in California with a friend who is originally from Detroit and she was the only one in the whole theater who got the joke about “the most mysterious disappearance since white flight.”
Anoniminous
And in the cognitively challenged corner of the Infotainment Mediums Chris Matthews suggests Hillary Clinton pick John Kasich for her veep.
Mike J
@normal liberal:
San Looeee has always been the very last to report votes. I’ve seen several elections reverse course as it came it, but it should go Clinton.
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
We all nearly tumbled from out seats laughing when that came up on the big screen. Back when movie theaters had really, really big screens.
? Martin
@redshirt: Well, Former President basically allows everyone to avoid dealing with First Husband by giving Former President some formal role to distract from picking out the annual Christmas Tree.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m really glad you opted against posting the ones of the apparel-removal engineers, too. Because, you know…that would have been wrong.
Roger Moore
@Anoniminous:
I remember octal. My dad is the best at octal of anyone I know; thanks to an unfortunate accident, it’s easier for him to count octal on his fingers than decimal.
magurakurin
@Mike J: looks like MO is going for Sanders. A bad night for him though. Clinton will have a 300+ delegate lead. This thing is over.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
OnceEvenTheLiberalMSNBC has Nicole Wallace and Ben Ginsberg to discuss the results.
Damn, Nicole Wallace is dumb.
Mnemosyne
I should be doing more research on my novel, but Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance is waiting on my Kindle. Decisions, decisions …
(I really enjoy research, so I’m a little afraid of falling down a rabbit hole once I start.)
Peale
@JMG: I am imaging them writing their own marriage vows. Hers take 45 minutes. His go on for three hours.
Mike in NC
First time that I’ve seen this Nicole Wallace, GOP strategist. What an airhead.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: @divF:
Y’all know that it was shot in Evanston,IL right?
OK, a couple scenes were shot in GP.
But Cusack was from Evanston, so I guess I’ve always considered it “Evanston Blank.” But I’m such a dweeb I didn’t even get the pun in the name until someone (not too) patiently pointed it out to me.
normal liberal
@Mnemosyne:
Solid Midwestern WYSIWYG.
And the German side of the family settled about ten miles north on the Mispronounced River. We had the deed to the property they bought in Chicago. On Oak Street. In 1866. ”Twas a shame about the fire…
Citizen Alan
@pseudonymous in nc:
Actually, my recollection of those skits is that they greatly actually improved Clinton’s popularity during the Impeachment by presenting him as the mischievous playboy running circles around the hapless Republicans.
seaboogie
@NotMax:
Nope. Too condescending. Plus his idiot followers will be all Homer Simpson drooly, thinking “Mmmm…steak!”
SiubhanDuinne
@Anoniminous:
WHUT?
(alternatively):
Bwahahahahahaha!!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Huh. Chuck Todd just said something interesting. Trump is not creating new Republican voters, he’s getting Republican GE voters to vote in primaries. ETA: He says he has looked at data to come to that conclusion.
ETA, A: @SiubhanDuinne: Katich was Tweety’s first ever political man-crush. At least the first I knew of. All that son-of-a-mailman affect goes right to Tweety’s heart.
Peale
@Anoniminous: I can see why Tweety’s role in the Carter administration was speechwriter and not political strategist.
Prescott Cactus
@delk: Little Company just expanded.
Played softball (16″) with some back of the yard & Canaryville guys and I thought they had a funny accent.
NonyNony
@different-church-lady: They don’t have to be that obscure. Article 2 of the Constitution specifies “he” when speaking of the President and, hey, did you know that The Founders didn’t even want women to vote?
I’m even willing to concede the point to them. Because so what – the Founders believed a lot of stupid shit (see slavery for one example).
Emma
@Mnemosyne: The Captain, by all means. You will love it.
NonyNony
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Do Republican GE voters not normally vote in primaries?
Mnemosyne
@normal liberal:
North Shore for my family — Lake Forest, Highwood, Highland Park. I moved all the way out to California and still managed to marry someone from Oak Park.
smith
@Anoniminous:
I think we’re going to see the centrists ramping up this Bipartisan Party of the Center crap increasingly when, as expected, Trump gets creamed in the general. Basically the Republican establishment is being forced off a cliff by the monster they themselves created and they have this insane hope the Dems will jump with them.
TheBuhJaysus
@Prescott Cactus:
Sha cah go. The “i” is deceptive.
Except when calling it Chi-town. Then it’s shy.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne:
In Grosse Pointe, “Goethe” Street is pronounced “GO-THEE”.
delk
@Prescott Cactus: Grew up in the Back of the Yards. We get groceries at the Mariano’s on Archer and Ashland.
Anoniminous
Methinks a person’s title is the highest rank achieved unless they are actively serving in another official position in which case they are called by that title. First Lady or “Official Spousal Unit” or whatever is not an official rank or constitutional office so it should be President and President Clinton.
@Roger Moore:
Them was back in the days before Johnson forced the computer industry, using overriding purchasing power of the Federal government, to knock it off with the stupid proprietary stuff and to use ASCII. Another vicious interference with the Invisible Appendage by the forces of Socialism. (And praise Jeebus for it)
Mnemosyne
@Emma:
That’s what I hear. I was very annoyed by Diplomatic Immunity so I had skipped the sequels, but I caught up with Cryoburn and now everyone says I need to read Vorpatril before I read the latest one.
magurakurin
I just talked on the phone with a friend in Portland, Oregon. He’s from Mexico, but has lived in the US for over 20 years. He asked me if Hillary Clinton was going to beat “that other guy,” and if Trump really had a chance to win it all. Hahaha, “that other guy,” nice.
Peale
@smith: but all those centrist republican votes are up for grabs. All we need to do is adopt those centrist republican policies to attract them. You know…the same policies trump has only we agree not to swear as much.
seaboogie
@Miss Bianca: Actually, for a really authentic Chicago accent, John Cusack’s sister Joan pretty much nails it. Maybe in High Fidelity, which was so much fun to watch because it is a great movie and they play brother and sister. I loves me some Joan Cusack. Her character in Shameless was my favorite when I watched it.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Not that I waste time watching him, but expect him to repeat it periodically until the cows come home. He has a history of getting a bee in his bonnet with something he thinks is oh so clever or oh so pithy and mouthing it over and over. And over.
Remember the unwieldy phrase “the Scranton to Oshkosh corridor?” Believe he may still drag that out from time to time and remains miffed it never caught on.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: IMDb disagrees. Also, it looks nothing like Evanston. It is clearly not the North Shore of Chicago,
Amir Khalid
@Miss Bianca:
: Faints. :
divF
@Roger Moore:
I remember octal dumps. On 132-column line printer paper.
Tom Lehrer’s song “New Math” taught me everything I wanted to know about octal.
Anoniminous
@Mnemosyne:
Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance is totally fun, much like a Civil Campaign.
magurakurin
The famous shibboleth in Portland, OR is Willamette, but the real shibboleth is Couch Street.
Amir Khalid
@Anoniminous:
Confusion would ensue.
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne:
“Shi-CAH-go”?
Davis X. Machina
@Anoniminous: EBCDIC a victim of state socialism? I never knew.
normal liberal
@different-church-lady:
Mostly transportation, with some EPA and HUD thrown in for the entertainment. The HUD protocol for reporting on grant expenditures is the work of the devil.
Roger Moore
@Beatrice:
1) Obamacare
2) Minimum wage
3) Clean Air Act
I’m less sure about #3. I can imagine the Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, or some workplace safety regulation getting in there. But I’m pretty sure Obamacare would be job killing regulation #1.
Mnemosyne
@seaboogie:
“Oh, hi, Rob. YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!”
/storms out of store
Davis X. Machina
We are living in the Golden Age of GBCW (Good-bye Cruel World) posts.
Origuy
@Miss Bianca: There used to be a park in Sacramento called Goethe Park. Locals pronounced it GAY-tee. They named it after Charles Goethe, who founded CSUS. They renamed it because he also founded the Eugenics Society of Northern California and was a fan of pre-war Germany’s eugenics program.
Tracy Ratcliff
@Mnemosyne: Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance is heavy on the comedy and romance, but light on action for a Bujold novel. However it’s on my short list for re-reading when I just want something light and fun to get me out of a rut. Do schedule the reading time so you can do the last 3 chapters together.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: Fucking poseur.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: I don’t think that hotel is zoned for apparel removal engineers. They’d need a special type of cabaret license.
Mike J
@magurakurin: When in Texas, I always enjoyed pronouncing one of their towns as if it were the street that is the border of SoHo.
Amir Khalid
@Origuy:
So where in America, if anywhere at all, is the place name Goethe pronounced as it would be in Germany?
AnotherBruce
@Amir Khalid: Ill Annoy
Fair Economist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That would be unusual! He *is* a Villager.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus:
Shit, the laudanum must have started kicking in tonight sooner than I reckoned on.
OK, I *must* be right about only a few scenes shot in GP, tho’. Cuz, laudanum or no, the only things I recognized were the scene outside the Grosse Pointe News building (which I think was supposed to be – ha ha, AS IF – a community radio station. And maybe one of the scenes in the high school).
ETA: Wow, you can look up *locations* on IMDB? Great, *another* reason to waste time on that site
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
I think it’s similar in Chicago, but we might need a current resident to weigh in.
@Anoniminous:
A Civil Campaign is one of my favorites, so I’m happy to hear that. I much prefer LMB in political/mystery mode than military mode.
NotMax
Any more recent results on the election for Boehner’s former seat, BTW? TV is mum about this.
different-church-lady
@NotMax:
There’s a great moment in the Hitchhiker’s books, where Ford Prefect is humming one note over and over again, hoping that someone will ask him why, and he’d say he was humming “Mad about the Boy”. And when it was pointed out to him that he was only humming one note, he’d explain that for reasons he hoped would be obvious he was leaving out the “…about the Boy” part. And he was highly irritated that nobody was asking.
pseudonymous in nc
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I think that’s the first interesting thing Chuck Todd has said since he got Peter Principle’d up the NBC ladder. And it rings fairly true: a bunch of GOP November voters who found out in the autumn of ’08 and ’12 that the ‘Party Decides’ they don’t get a crazy demagogue, and want to change that.
Adam L Silverman
@Mike in NC: She used to be known as Nicole Devenish before she got married. She was a White House spokesperson in the Bush 43 Administration.
Davis X. Machina
@magurakurin: Named after Union general Darius Couch?
normal liberal
@Mnemosyne:
It’s hard to argue with Oak Park.
And another thumbs up for the further adventures of Ivan Vorpatril, which sets up really neat backstory that is followed up in the latest Vorkosiverse book.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I just love that Midwestern politeness demands that she return his greeting before she rips into him.
different-church-lady
@normal liberal: Do you have any relatives who do humanities?
seaboogie
@Amir Khalid:
I was doing a trade show in NYC and the person I was working with wore a badge indicating that she was from Versailles, KY and I thought “I’m not going to even try…(I speak French). She said she was from Vir-SALL-ees. Also, Kentuckians like to say that they are from “KY – like the jelly”. Kind of a saucy bunch!
different-church-lady
@Davis X. Machina: “I’m leaving the Democratic Party because the guy who only joined it four months ago isn’t going to be the nominee!”
larrybob
@Amir Khalid: the s is silent
Mike J
@seaboogie: I always heard Ver sales, only two syllables
Adam L Silverman
@Anoniminous: You are correct. Appointed and/or elected officials are referred to by their highest rank unless/until they are elected or appointed to either a higher office or a different one. So even though Colin Powell is a retired four star general, he is now referred to as Secretary Powell as Secretary of State (or any other cabinet position) is higher than a four star general.
Prescott Cactus
@delk: My union hall was near Racine and Pershing. For lunch during apprentice classes we would hit different neighborhood joints for our “1/2 hour”.
Miss Bianca
@Amir Khalid:
(Slaps him gently awake) I’m so, so sorry to have to break the news to you that way…
normal liberal
@Mnemosyne:
I think you’ll like Gentleman Jole and the Long Title, which is kind of Cordelia’s version of A Civil Campaign.
And now italics don’t work on my iPad.
O. Felix Culpa
@Tracy Ratcliff: What are these corporal vorpal swords of which you speak? It appears there is a cultural/literary phenomenon that has passed me by.
Redshift
@Roger Moore:
Cruz wouldn’t say the Clean Air Act, because that sounds like something good. He’d say “the EPA” and mean the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act.
It’s part of why they mostly talk about regulations and not laws. Regulations come from evil job-killing gubmint bureaucrats, even if the law they are implementing might seem to be well intentioned.
pseudonymous in nc
I can’t remember which of Beaufort, NC and Beaufort, SC is “Bo-fort” versus “Byew-fort”. The less said about Boamfolk, GA, the better.
@Adam L Silverman:
Or ‘Coach’, which is the highest title in America, a land without titles.
divF
@seaboogie:
I loves me some Joan Cusack too. She has a great comic presence.
She’s done 10 movies with brother John.
Beatrice
@Roger Moore: I imagine you’re right. Repeal Obamacare is the answer to everything.
delk
@Prescott Cactus: That’s an odd part of the city. Grid is all messed up around there.
Redshift
@pseudonymous in nc: It would also fit with the fact that Trump’s negatives are even higher with independents than they are with Dems (or at least they were a couple of month ago when I read that.)
normal liberal
@different-church-lady:
Sadly, no. Mostly lawyers and bankers. Does it count that all my colleagues assume I was an English major?
Probably not.
What are you considering? My office has looked at some community art program stuff.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Chris Hayes looks sad. Bernie’s internals must suggest he’s gonna lose Illinois.
@Adam L Silverman: I once saw Ed Rendell deliver a longish explanation of that when someone referred to his good friend Tom Ridge as “Governor Ridge”. Was a real insight into that Secretary (Ambassador?) manqué’s PUMA bitterness. He never missed a chance to troll Obama during the first term.
Adam L Silverman
@pseudonymous in nc: I think that’s only in the SEC and Texas high school football.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman:
My dear sir, does this tidbit of information fall under the category of “special knowledge”? Or is this the sort of thing that everyone is supposed to know?
divF
Looks like Hillary hangs on to win Illinois, Bernie to win Missouri, both barely (less that 2%).
Mike in NC
@Amir Khalid: In Connecticut, the Thames River is actually pronounced “Thames”, not “Temz”.
Anoniminous
@Davis X. Machina:
Yeah. Lots of weird stuff happened back then that the current TechBros know not of. In my first job, fer instance, the mid-level managers on the coding side and about half of the team leaders and five or six programmers were women. Eight years later there were zero at my then job & everybody looked at me like I had Slan-drils growing out of my head when I talked about working with women.
Anoniminous
@Amir Khalid:
But a good confusion … thus beneficial for all concerned.
seaboogie
@Mike J: I might be mis-remembering that. And that would make it a legit regional pronunciation.
One thing I’ve never understood is how we completely change the names of certain cities internationally. For instance, why do we call Firenze “Florence”? Or why do the French call London “Londres”? Paris seems to have escaped all of that, and we just vary the pronunciation.
I believe that all Italian place names should be kept as they are, since it is such a beautiful language that was actually chosen among the regional dialects.
Mike J
@Mike in NC: I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced “throatwarbler mangrove”, but spelt, “Raymond Luxury Yacht.”
Prescott Cactus
@Miss Bianca:
You may be remembering correctly, but it may have landed on the cutting room floor.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Decision Desk HQ & Benchmark Politics both project Illinois for Clinton and Missouri for Sanders.
Sanders outspent Clinton in Missouri $1,400,000 to $400,000
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It can get a bit funky. Especially if you’re in a setting where you’d have contrasting ones. I could see Secretary Powell visiting military personnel and they wanting to call him general and no one batting an eye. Its the same thing with Secretaries Rice and Kissinger who went back to academic/quasi-academic positions. Most student don’t think to call their professor Secretary. I’ve had two colleagues who held ambassadorial rank, two who were assistant secretaries of defense. We all went by first names as we were all in, essentially at that time, equivalent billets. But of the five of us I was the most junior in age (obviously) and rank (I was a term appointment GS 15 under the Intergovernmental Personnel Act). In any other situation they should have and would have been addressed either by their titles, sir, or ma’am.
Mnemosyne
For the Hamimaniacs, I can’t develop a proper crush on LMM because he and Vanessa are just too damn cute together. Get a room, you two!
Anoniminous
@Mnemosyne:
Me also. I got tired of military SF in the 70s.
Matt McIrvin
@Anoniminous:
My father used to bring home huge stacks of 132 column fanfold line-printer paper so I could doodle on the blank backs. The sides with the green bars on them were usually covered with core dumps in octal.
It made sense to use octal rather than hexadecimal because these were Honeywell machines with 36-bit words and 18-bit addresses; that is, the bits were grouped in multiples of 3, and each octal digit represents 3 bits.
I think the computers on which the C language was first developed were similar, which is why in C and related languages, you represent octal by prefixing a number with just 0, but hexadecimal with 0x. Octal constants were more important originally.
Tracy Ratcliff
@O. Felix Culpa: The novels of Lois McMaster Bujold, in this case the many novels of the Vorkosigan saga. They are the sort of novels that you loan out with a knowing smile, since you know the borrower will be back soon begging for more. They start out military science fiction, morph into mystery/political sf, and finally end up at romance sf (with political thriller implications).
Linnaeus
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Way closer in Illinois than I expected.
seaboogie
@Amir Khalid:
Maybe in Pennsylvania where there are a lot of Amish folks? And I am probably mistaken, but they often live near places with Welsh names that you have no idea of how to pronounce.
Amir Khalid
@seaboogie:
I remember a writer on The Guardian’s football page asking why FC Bayern München is called Bayern Munich FC in English, and not Bavaria Munich FC.
O. Felix Culpa
@Tracy Ratcliff: Sounds intriguing. I might go to the library and get me some. Where is the best place to start this addiction?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: Doesn’t Kissinger insist on “Dr”? I don’t know why I think that, I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about him, except of course as proof that Hillary is an evil warmongering secret Republican.
The big news seems to be that Katich has hired two old geezers who fought out the last contested convention between Ford and Reagan. Can anyone on their side possibly think for a moment that He, Trump is going to endorse, or step aside for, or not lay waste to the candidate who took his nomination, if it even happens? He’s not just going to go rogue, he’s going to let in the jungle.
magurakurin
@Mike J: Actually being a country bumpkin myself from the little town of Philadelphia, in my youth I made a trip up to the City. I didn’t know shit about New York and me and a friend spent an hour asking people where Houston (the city in Texas) Street was. Most of the city folk blew us two hicks off, but one kind New Yawker took pity on us and said, most politely, oh you mean Houston (the street in New York) Street. We felt like the rubes that we were. We finally found what we were looking for, the Acme Bar and Grill.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: As a post-doc at UF I taught state and local politics. This was while Hillsborough County and the City of Tampa were going through the great strip joint zoning and regulation meltdown. As a result of the amount of coverage it got in the state’s newspapers and on tv news, it also got a lot of coverage (ironic, huh?) in class. So I know far more about this than I should.
Long story short: Tampa’s idiot mayor, who’s hobby was collecting spatulas, and in his non political job was as a land developer, decided after goading to go after all the strip clubs in the city. This was mirrored by a completely insane Hillsborough County Commissioner from Brandon who’s goal in life was regulating everyone else’s sexy time (she also put her makeup on with a wagner power painter…). The problem for Mayor Spatula was that he decided to pick this particular fight with Joe Redner, who is basically the ecdysiac magnate in West Central Florida. Redner, of course, made it very clear that because he was required by statute and regulation to have video of all his clubs, he would be perfectly happy making all the tapes of Mayor Spatula and his business partners, and all the other good, upstanding, and upright (see what I did there?) burghers of Tampa and Hillsborough County as they brought their out of town business and political and financial contacts to his clubs. The whole thing was hysterical.
Mike in NC
@pseudonymous in nc: I think the Beaufort in SC is called “Byewfort”. It’s located about midway between Charleston and Savannah. We stayed there several years ago at the Marine Corps Air Station BOQ, where they provided free booze. How civilized!
Mnemosyne
@O. Felix Culpa:
Start with Cordelia’s Honor — it’s a combined edition of the first two novels in the series.
ETA: If you have an e-reader, you can sometimes get her books for free from the Tor Books website.
magurakurin
@Davis X. Machina: don’t know, but it’s pronounced like pooch not like the word that means “sofa.”
Roger Moore
@pseudonymous in nc:
My personal favorite weird pronunciation is Norfolk, NE, which is pronounced “Norfork”. They at least have a good excuse. It was originally intended to be “Norfork”, but the Post Office assumed they had misspelled Norfolk and “corrected” it. The locals continued to pronounce it as it was intended to be pronounced, rather than the way it’s spelled.
Betty Cracker
And CNN calls Illinois for Hillz!
Mike J
@Adam L Silverman: Did he own the one shaped like a space ship?
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Por vous:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/hamilton-paired-withstar-trek-works-perfectly-in-this-a-1764628772
amk
teann – hillz wins IL.
satby
@Mnemosyne: that was great. Thanks, I miss those guys.
Uncle Cosmo
Looking at the MO results (NB you can get county totals including % of precincts reporting by mousing over the map): What remains out seems to be St. Louis City (~47% of precincts not reported) & St. Louis County (~7.6% out). If the precincts still out are of comparable size to the ones reported already & the votes break about the same, Bernie wins MO by ~2,700 votes out of ~570,000 cast.
But those are major assumptions & probably unsupportable: Based on my experience in MD, heavier voting precincts tend to report later.
(NB I had to laugh when I saw that Lewis County in far NE MO was neither shade of blue, but gray. Because no one won it–Bernie & Hill tied with 239 votes apiece.)
NotMax
@magurakurin
The neighborhood immediately south of Houston Street is dubbed SoHo. If it followed the local pronunciation, it by rights would be SowHow.
satby
@Amir Khalid: illa- noy
Anoniminous
@Matt McIrvin:
C was developed on a PDP-7 and DEC was already using ASCII. The prefix was needed because IBM machines running EBCDIC were very common and the chance C would be needed to be run on those machines was 100%. But – Jeebus – talk about Bug City, the compilers were so wonky they wouldn’t always catch it and so you’d have two constants or variables with the same name but different values.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s going to pit a hundred or so delegates against whatever plurality or bare majority that Trump comes in with? Sure, makes perfect sense.
As for Secretary Kissinger, I have no idea. Never met him and don’t have any plans to do so. So no one has every had to prep me on protocol.
? Martin
@pseudonymous in nc: Chuck was always very good at the data stuff. He should have stuck with that.
Tommy
@amk: UGH but true.
hilts
@Mike in NC:
Nicole Wallace is one of the 2 geniuses who vetted Sarah Palin prior to John McCain choosing her to be his running mate.
? Martin
@Uncle Cosmo: This is pretty traditional. Same problem in 2008 – it came down to the last 2% reporting and the race flipped once the most heavily african-american districts landed.
Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: 2001 A Sex Odyssey? I don’t recall. He owns the big one across the street: Mons Venus. Here’s his wikipedia page, as well as a Deadspin article about him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Redner
http://deadspin.com/5939346/how-joe-redner-invented-the-lap-dance-built-a-strip-club-empire-became-a-model-citizen-fought-for-your-rights-and-beat-cancer
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
They must be in their nineties.
? Martin
Looks like they’re calling Illinois for Clinton – though they’ll likely split delegates pretty evenly, so it really doesn’t matter very much who got that last 1%. Same for MO.
O. Felix Culpa
@Mnemosyne: Oooh…good books and free! A most excellent combination. Thanks for the suggestion.l
Mike J
@Adam L Silverman: I’m not an expert on Tampa adult entertainment, but i drove past and noticed the architecture while working for a client down there.
joel hanes
@Anoniminous:
The binary machine-code instruction set of the influential PDP/11 series of minicomputers was laid out extremely regularly, or “orthogonally”, with three-bit fields that mapped perfectly onto octal. You could directly read an octal dump of memory if you had spent much time in that environment.
So on the PDP/11 architecture, in assembly, octal dump and indeed octal notation was standard, and hex was “funny”, IBM-ish. And in just such an environment was Unix born. So octal runs deep in Linux utilities.
OTOH, one seldom sees base 4 notation.
Eljai
Hugh Hewitt was just on MSNBC crowing about how Arnold Schwarzenegger will campaign for Kasich in California. Arnold left the state with a huge deficit and a low approval rating. So, good luck with that.
satby
@Prescott Cactus: I went to nursing school at Little Company back in the 70s. Till I got thrown out for being too non-conformist, according to Sister Michael.
I used a copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves to teach my Catholic fellow students about birth control.
? Martin
Most interesting in Missouri – both Dem and GOP races are within about 2500 votes.
Tracy Ratcliff
@O. Felix Culpa: About anywhere, since Bujold is very good about writing stand-alone novels with just enough clever info-dump to get you up to speed, but she recommends going in more-or-less internal chronology order. I’d recommend at least reading the novels Memory, Komarr and A Civil campaign in that order. The first novel is Shards of Honor, Bujold’s first novel with some normal first-novel issues. The next in the series timeline is Barrayar, actually about 10th published, and the one where she says she really figured out what she was doing (although she was good enough to get Hugo and Nebula award nominations as a learning writer). They’re currently published in one omnibus together as Cordelia’s Honor. The next novel starts the adventures of Cordelia’s son Miles that make up the bulk of the series.
Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: If I’m recalling correctly from when I was a little kid, the saucer was originally a local ice cream soft serve and novelty stand/shop. When the guy who opened that club realized he needed something to compete with Redner’s better established business across the street, he bought it, placed it on top of the club, and basically turned it into his VIP lounge.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
This is not universally true, however. Canadians, par exemple, tend not to use any former titles. I used to do a fair amount of work with the Carter Center, specifically the Council of Freely-Elected Heads of Government, of which former Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark was an active member. I remember at one meeting in Atlanta I addressed a question to him, “Mr. Prime Minister…” and he interrupted me with a big smile and said “This is why I always love coming to the United States! I get much more respect than in Canada!” Everyone laughed, and he and President Carter went into a nice little side riff about which system of honorifics was preferable for a former HoG. (In private he was very much a “call me Joe” guy; I could never bring myself to address him by his first name, although my [Canadian] bosses were perfectly comfortable with it.)
ETA: I have no idea if this is true with military titles, but for elected officials, the title disappears with the job.
Mnemosyne
@Eljai:
California Republicans hated Arnold more than non-Republicans did. Whose vote is Hewitt expecting to pick up?
Amir Khalid
@Tommy:
@amk:
She’s closed to within 0.5 percentage points in Missouri.
Mike J
@Uncle Cosmo:
On which site?
O. Felix Culpa
@Betty Cracker:
I go to sleep happy tonight.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: I interned at the Carter Center going into my senior year at Emory.
Hopefully the Middle East director, if it was the same guy as when I was there, didn’t try to chase you around the desk in his office.
As for titles and appellations: I wasn’t talking about anything or anyplace but the US. I don’t know the protocols for other countries. I know what those ranks and titles are and I know how I’m expected to address people from them, but I was specifically referring to the US.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Amir Khalid: You made me look. Stuart Spencer is 89, Charlie Black (old Bush I hand, as I recall, and with all the genteel sleeze that suggests) is a child of 69
Roger Moore
@seaboogie:
In some cases, it’s because the name got into English long enough ago that it’s diverged in the two languages since then, and not always with the English version changing more. Florence, for instance, was originally Florentia; I’m not sure how the Italians managed to change that into Firenze. There’s something similar with Cologne, which is much closer to the Latin Colonia than Köln is.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Hillary wins 4 big states and Sanders wins 1 medium state.
Which make tonight a virtual tie.
Mike in NC
@Roger Moore: Being stationed in the Navy in Norfolk, VA, everybody from elsewhere pronounced it “Norfolk” but the locals called it “Nofuk”.
O. Felix Culpa
@Tracy Ratcliff: Thanks! These books should keep me in literary crack for a while.
magurakurin
boy, MO is really close. 10% left in St. Louis Co and Kansas City. Both heavily going for Clinton, she might just find 2000 more votes there. This goes out to people who say my vote doesn’t matter. Every vote matters.
Mike in NC
@Eljai: Whackjob Hugh Hewitt and Lindsay Graham would make a cute couple.
seaboogie
@Adam L Silverman: Okay – you made me look up “ecdysiac” – and I’m probably not the only one.
The breadth of your knowledge and experience is astonishing, and the depth of your analysis (and humor, when called for) is equally impressive.
To which I will add, that you follow the threads that you post on or in which you comment is absolutely stellar. Very nice to have “fresh horses” here on the blog.
Amir Khalid
@Mike in NC:
As I recall, Chuck Berry pronounced it “nor folk” in his song Promised Land.
Roger Moore
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That may be about bartering his delegates in exchange for some kind of concession or position rather than an attempt to take the nomination for himself. If Trump and Cruz have the most delegates but neither has an outright majority, Kasich would be in position to throw the nomination to whomever gives him the most.
SiubhanDuinne
@magurakurin:
In Atlanta, the shibboleth is “Ponce de Leon.”
(FWIW, I once had a big orange marmalade cat named “Pounce de Lion.”)
Uncle Cosmo
MO margin is 2,125 Sanders — with 40 precincts from St. Louis County still out, where Clinton is running 10.1% ahead in the other 493. If size & percentages hold, Bernie wins the state by <1,000 votes. But if the outstanding precincts are twice as large, or Hillary doubles her margin over him, then she takes MO.
Not that it makes much difference except for the optics.
Tracy Ratcliff
@O. Felix Culpa: One of us, one of us…
Mike J
@Mike in NC: I was born there, but dad was out of the navy (VAW 12, IIRC) before I was speaking.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Spoke too soon:
So if she wins it will be 5 victories for Hillary and none for Sanders, otherwise known as a virtual tie.
Anoniminous
@joel hanes:
The PDP-11 was a damn fine machine for its day. The instruction set was simple and powerful which is why Rockwell, etc., used it for the 6502. I’m a Real Time micro-code/assembly language guy as C was too slow and had too much overhead for the stuff I had to do. I mostly worked with the hardware guys building computers and embedded systems so never got into Operating Systems once the BIOS was written.
ETA: We used to call 4 bits a “nybble” but I guess that’s ancient jargon
seaboogie
@Roger Moore: Thank you for the explanation. I really appreciate the wide range of experience and knowledge here in BJ Land.
moonbat
According to GOS, St Louis County is now reporting 100% and it’s
Clinton 89,134
Sanders 70,871
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Yes, I assumed you probably were.
No one at the Carter Center ever chased me around anything. What year(s) did you intern there?
Prescott Cactus
@delk:
In the late 70’s it was a melting pot. Rail line trunk and South branch of the Chicago River made standard Chicago grid navigation “clustered”.
Uncle Cosmo
@Mike J: Guardian site linked in one of the earlier threads. Click here.
ETA: Clinton ahead by 1,199 votes with 37 precincts out, only 1 of which is in St. Louis County. (In fact I think that’s a typo, not 3004 but 3040 of 3041 reporting, ‘cuz I can’t find any others out.)
Matt McIrvin
Hillary had seemed to be way overperforming the polls in Ohio early in the evening, but ultimately the polls on the D side all turned out to be not too far off. Bernie modestly overperformed in NC and Illinois.
normal liberal
@O. Felix Culpa:
Bujold includes her recommended reading order in an appendix in each book, some of which include a timeline based on the central character’s age. Unsurprisingly, people on the internet have gone to great length to interpret all the clues and assemble an historical link back to now.
It’s a thousand years in the future, Earth is habitable and populated, and humans and their various accessories have settled a bunch of other planets, using a variety of social patterns.
O. Felix Culpa
Hillary now with 1200 vote lead over Bernie.
ETA: In MO, but you knew that.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Sanders loses all 5 states.
REVOLUTION!
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Ha! Though you made my poor beleaguered husband roll his eyes. I think he’s regretting introducing me to the show.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
In the navy we called it NoFuck, VA. I think because less that you couldn’t find any, you just didn’t want to.
Mike J
@moonbat: NYTs says:
Clinton leads by less than 1 point, or 1,199 votes, with 99% reporting.
CANDIDATES VOTE PCT.
Hillary Clinton 302,759 49.6%
Bernie Sanders 301,560 49.4
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
SiubhanDuinne
@Tracy Ratcliff:
Gooble gobble.
Amir Khalid
@moonbat:
I am thinking Bernie probably hoped for a better night than he’s had. To be pipped at the post in Missouri must sting.
Adam L Silverman
@seaboogie: My second favorite Marvel Comics female hero:
http://marvel.com/universe/Ecdysiast
Right after She-Hulk.
And I’m blushing. Right now, since all I’m doing is consulting, I have the time to follow and follow up. I am hoping that I will go back onto a permanent assignment soon and that may change the dynamic a bit depending on what the assignment is.
Gex
@Roger Moore: I thought for sure the answer would be “All of them, Katie.”
nastybrutishntall
@Davis X. Machina: That site is like Kos for kindergarteners. Speed for radical kamikaze unicorn-jockies. It’s also really ugly, my god.
PhoenixRising
@nastybrutishntall: hey DU was a godsend back in ’03. Well designed too.
O. Felix Culpa
@normal liberal: I see what you mean. A brave new world I will be entering.
ETA: Linkie fail. I try again. http://www.tor.com/series/rereading-the-vorkosigan-saga/
ETA ETA: Or maybe just user fail. In any case, good night and thanks for all the books!
pseudonymous in nc
@Roger Moore:
Turin is Turin in Piedmontese, but Torino in standard Italian.
@Amir Khalid:
That’s just weird, but it’s a common wobbly translation pattern for European sides: Sporting Lisbon and Real (not Royal) Madrid and so on. Though AC Milan is AC Milan and not AC MIlano because it was founded by English people living in Milan.
? Martin
And that looks like a sweep for Clinton. Didn’t see that coming.
Uncle Cosmo
I guess it wasn’t a typo–Clinton up by 1,122 with 3018/3041 precincts reporting. ETA: by 1,531 with only 2 precincts out.
The GOP side is a nailbiter too: Trump is up by 2,355 votes over Ooze with 62 precincts supposedly out. ETA: By 1,636 with 2 precincts out. Again, optics…
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Summer of 91.
And glad to hear it. That guy was a scumbag. Vindictive, exploitative. He sexually propositioned one of my classmates, a woman I went to kindergarten and elementary school with, and he made it clear that not just a good recommendation for grad school was riding on it, but that he’d actively put the word out that she should not be admitted. In the case of one of my male classmates, despite being his advisor and honor’s thesis supervisor, he refused to do letters of recommendation for grad school because he’d just gone on sabbatical. Absolutely wretched person all the way down to his DNA.
caring and sensitive
@Adam L Silverman:
Isn’t there an exception if the highest rank/title you had is one that is unique. IOW there are many Secretaries and judges and senators at any time, but there is only one president, so Colin Powell is referred to as Secretary Powell, but GWB, for example, should properly be referred to as Gov Bush
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: I saw that earlier and made sure to save the link.
pseudonymous in nc
@Adam L Silverman: I suspect the upcoming basketball competition will show how broadly it’s used. ‘Well, Coach, what did you think of the first half?’ ‘Gotta say, Coach, I agree with you and Coach about how Kentucky played.’
(The silliest title that American pols drag along with them afterwards is ‘General’ for Attorneys General. Canadians and Australians are like the British in not really doing that stuff, though some of them like the whiff of ‘Prime Minister X’ from Americans.)
Eljai
@Mnemosyne: Hewitt doesn’t like Trump and he is trying to convince himself that Kasich still has a chance. I can’t stand Hewitt, Trump or Kasich, but there you have it.
Adam L Silverman
@caring and sensitive: Not that I’m aware. He is always President Bush. Though usually I see it in print as “former President Bush”. Since I’ve never been anywhere that the President or Vice President, of former Presidents or Vice Presidents, have come to visit, I’ve never had to read the protocol book for that stuff.
Adam L Silverman
@pseudonymous in nc: Or for Surgeons General.
maeve
@Eric S.:
Coming from downstate – I never heard anyone pronounce the “s” who actually lived in Illinois.
I still remember the state song:
By thy rivers gently flowing, Illinois, Illinois
By thy verdant grasses growing Illinios, Illinois
Comes an echo on the breeze
Rustling through thy leafy trees
And its mellow tones are these – Illinois, Illinois
(BTW – Cairo, Illinois is pronouced “Kay-Ro” )
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
No particular reason, but would have pegged you as a The Dazzler guy.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I posted this in Betty’s thread above, but it’s apropos here as well:
Wesley Morris on the “Hamilton” cast album:
(It’s #2 on the list of 25.)
Amir Khalid
@pseudonymous in nc:
Sporting Lisbon, Boca Juniors, Newell’s Old Boys, and Athletic Bilbao, among other famous clubs, use an English word in their names because they were founded by Britons in the early days of football.
Betty Cracker
@Davis X. Machina: Gyad, what a bunch of crybabies!
Prescott Cactus
@Adam L Silverman:
I’ve lost faith in Darwin.
Mike J
@Amir Khalid: And the MLS has Real Salt Lake (not to mention Sporting KC) because they want to pretend to be in the big leagues.
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: The only characters from Marvel I really like are the Incredible Hulk, She-Hulk, and a handful of the X characters/mutants. The only Marvel books I used to actually collect/read regularly were the Incredible Hulk, She-Hulk, and a bunch of the X titles. I stopped buying the X titles when I started to need a link chart and a social network analysis to keep everything straight. And when I stopped buying those, I stopped buying the two Hulk books as well.
Dazzler was okay, but I much preferred Storm, adult Kitty Pryde, Domino (the actual one, not Copycat as Domino), Rogue, Polaris (before she got possessed by Zaladane), and Rachel Summers/Baby Phoenix.
SiubhanDuinne
@maeve:
There are two different tunes. I learned both.
Frankensteinbeck
@Adam L Silverman:
I was a New Mutants fan, before Liebfeld happened. Rahne Sinclair (Wolfsbane) was my favorite character when she was twelve, painfully shy and haunted by her hyper-religious Catholic upbringing.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
There are way too many Marvel titles in which only certain relatively short runs stand out.
Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants or (very early) Frank Miller on Daredevil, for example.
Amir Khalid
@Mike J:
I always wondered, when did the King of Spain grant Real Salt Lake a royal charter? Because that’s how Real Madrid and Real Betis got the right to use that word. (I’m not even going to ask about the Kansas City Royals.)
Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: I liked her character. Liefeld was and is horrible!
Davebo
@Anoniminous: The PDP 11 ran the flight and tactics simulators I worked with in the the Navy in the mid 80’s.
First lesson I learned, if you see a door open on the backplane DO NOT CLOSE IT!!
Redshift
@Mike in NC:
We’re the girls from Norfolk Tech!
We don’t smoke or drink or neck!
Norfolk! Norfolk! Norfolk!
Prescott Cactus
@satby: I used a copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves to teach my Catholic fellow students about birth control.
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: This is, unfortunately, true.
Mike J
@Amir Khalid:
Wikipedia says they’re named after a bbq contest.
Anya
Trump supporters’ Islamophobia just cost him two delegates.
Adam L Silverman
@Anya: To quote my favorite rhyming demon: “See man’s final disgrace, he cuts his nose to spite his face”.
Anya
@Adam L Silverman: So true. I don’t know who to despise more, the two delegates who voted for Trump or the racist supporters.
Adam L Silverman
I’m to bed. You all have a nice night.
Cathie from Canada
The Clinton Derangement Syndrome sufferers are just blinded by their hatred.
In this speech, Hillary mentioned something about how America needed to “engage its allies, not alienate them” — quite obviously an attack line against Trump and his slanging of Mexico, Europe etc.
Then I saw a tweet from Max Blumenthal retweeted by Billmon that she was referring to Obama and Israel and she was “dissing” Obama for supposedly not supporting Israel.
What??? Why would any sane person jump to the conclusion that she meant something like that? These people really are deranged.
Applejinx
I called it:
I am, shall we say, very interested to see which way Hils tacks now. The big big question is (a) whether she figures she no longer needs the hippies now, and (b) whether she’s actively out to punish them.
VERY glad Elizabeth Warren didn’t endorse Bernie. We need her undamaged. Or at least, damaged only by DWS undermining her work, not by Hillary also trying to take her down?
Bostonian
@Amir Khalid: Ell a noy
Like you’re bothering the twelfth letter
Marcia
@Prescott Cactus: “Shi cah go. That’s as close as I can come to phonetically.”
No other way to pronounce it, unless you count Shi caw go or Kelly Bundy’s reference as a short-lived weathergirl: Chick ah go.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Marcia: I’ve usually heard the “ah” sound as closer to the ä in German than the “say ahhhhh” sound most people think of when they see that sort of phonetic spelling.