Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

Ah, the different things are different argument.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Happy indictment week to all who celebrate!

Joe Lieberman disappointingly reemerged to remind us that he’s still alive.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

American History and Black History Cannot Be Separated

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Take your GOP plan out of the witness protection program.

“And when the Committee says to “report your income,” that could mean anything!

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

A consequence of cucumbers

Hot air and ill-informed banter

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  3. 3.

    David Fud

    Both sides do it is like watching an Overton tug-of-war drag everyone off of the rightward cliff of stupidity.

  4. 4.

    lollipopguild

    If the press convinces itself that both side do it and there’s no difference between the political parties then they can focus on page views and ad revenues and totally ignore the fact that the GOP is insane.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    I assume Ron criticizes Democrats now and then. Why shouldn’t the Twitter simply respond “Both sides do it?” every time he makes the attempt, Cuz “It’s a fact!”

  9. 9.

    Luthe

    What do you expect from an asshole who claims his political affliction affiliation is “disruption”?

    eyeroll.gif

  10. 10.

    Smiling Mortician

    @Doug!: Also, it’s a fact because it’s an axiom and not an observation. Now I can’t unroll my eyes.

  11. 11.

    NobodySpecial

    My wish for his eternal reward is Cronkite and Murrow defenestrating him forever.

  14. 14.

    agorabum

    King Hack has spoken. Sure, Brooks is bad, but at least he is admittedly Republican. He doesn’t claim to be above it all.

  15. 15.

    hueyplong

    “Both sides do it” is what a GOP operative says when his party is fking a chicken.

    What it demonstrably is not, is a fact.

  16. 16.

    West of the Cascades

    Twelve year old boy waves toy gun alone in park. Cops shoot him dead. Bothsidesdoit.

  19. 19.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Doug!:

    Ron Fournier says “Both Sides Do It” is a fact.

    More than a mere fact, facts after all can be overturned with more information. “Both sides do it” is a TRUTH(tm).

  20. 20.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    I’ve decided that self-styled Centrists still insisting “both sides” are the same given the state of the Republican Party right now are the Black Knights of political punditry. Both sides have their extremists, the extremes are just as extreme, nothing unusually extreme about the Republicans, la dee da.

    The GOP can be collapsing in rubble around their knees for all to see and they’ll tell you “Just a flesh wound!”

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Fournier is determined to move himself higher up on the tumbrel manifest.

    So be it.

  23. 23.

    patroclus

    Well, both sides don’t make historic trips to Cuba; only Obama’s doing that. And both sides don’t abdicate their job in confirming Supreme Court Justices. Only the Republicans do that. And both sides don’t have their campaign managers rough up protestors. Only Trump does that. One could go on and on – and that’s just today, in the last few minutes. Fournier is a discredited hack.

  25. 25.

    Roger Moore

    @jacy:

    “both sides do it” = I’m a lazy asshole who has no critical thinking skills.

    No. “Both sides do it” = I’m a conservative hack who tries to hide how crazy the Republicans have become by claiming the Democrats are just as bad.

  26. 26.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Roger Moore:

    I’m a conservative hack who tries to hide how crazy the Republicans have become by claiming the Democrats are just as bad.

    Bee, eye, en gee oh.

    Actually what’s kind of funny or at least revealing is that other Republicans like even Lindsay Graham are openly acknowledging the Republican Party’s self-destructing, whereas the Fourniers of the world are still insisting it’s just the same as the other party. Which just shows the depth of his commitment to the Republican image.

  28. 28.

    BBA

    Has Fournier (or anyone else) actually come out and praised “Shape of Earth: Opinions Differ”?

    I mean, of course it makes business sense, you don’t want to alienate the crucial flat-earther audience. Next thing you know they’ll be saying the whole mainstream media has a pro-round-earth bias, and that’s why they only listen to talk radio… but has anyone held it up as an ideal of reportage?

  29. 29.

    Iowa Old Lady

    In daily life, I encounter “both sides do it” when people don’t want to argue with their neighbor or fellow exerciser. They may not even believe it. It’s a way to duck assigning blame.

  30. 30.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Doug!: @jacy: Ron Fumier sounds like a clown in dire need of being hit while walking down the street by a speeding dumptruck. And taking a long, insufficiently anesthetized time to die. And having his “health care” provider(s) charge him exorbitantly for its “services” (e.g., the $47,000 medevac charge recently reported over at GOS) while his “health insurance” provider(s) deny all claims. And having said “health care provider(s)” successfully sue his estate & take every penny of it.

  32. 32.

    Mike J

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Fournier is determined to move himself higher up on the tumbrel manifest.

    So be it.

    Here’s proof of what Fournier said. An anonymous person on a blog threatened violence, just like the Republican presidential frontrunner. Same thing!

  34. 34.

    Teddy's Person

    @Iowa Old Lady: I can see that since politics can be a contentious topic of conversation. The both-siders I typically encounter are people who want to talk about politics but are ill-informed because they get all their news from mainstream outlets (usually CNN).

  35. 35.

    MomSense

    Watching Air Force 1 land in Cuba and trying to explain to my 12 year old why this is such a big deal.

  38. 38.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Don Oberbeck Colorado

    I never thought I would live to see an African American President.

    I never thought there would be a health care program.

    I never thought we would have a “peace treaty” with Iran.

    I never thought we would see gay rights mainstreamed.

    And I certainly never thought I would see an American President visit Cuba while still in office.

    I never thought that the Republicans would approve of these progressive and delightful events, and in fact they did everything in their power to prevent them, but President Obama has nonetheless prevailed, and with quiet dignity.

    I am very proud of him and I should think any Democratic candidate would want to run on “more of the same”.

    477 Recommend

  43. 43.

    Mike J

    Obama brings his kids, and to show solidarity with the revolution, their Grandma.

    Too obscure?

  54. 54.

    Zinsky

    One side is a cult. The other is a disorganized political party with lots of factions. Anyone who asserts that there is “symmetry” is either intellectually lazy or dishonest.

  56. 56.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Coolidge in a battleship, in 1928

    I think “Darmok and Jalad, on the ocean” is the appropriate one here, since it means “new friendship and understanding gained through a shared challenge”. Apparently.

  60. 60.

    Roger Moore

    @Germy:
    There’s a burglary every 15 seconds in America, so be sure to keep your gun by your bed. That way, the burglars will be able to find your gun right away rather than having to dig through your stuff to find it.

  61. 61.

    slag

    @David Fud: Agreed. It’s how the whole “truth is somewhere in the middle” trope gets manipulated by the most knavish of knaves.

  64. 64.

    p.a.

    @Roger Moore: Easy solution: never leave bed. Blame libs when you need to be craned out. Set up GoFundMe account for stomach removal surgery. Find god, use excess GFM money to set up online prosperity gospel church.

    #livingthedreammotherfuckers

  66. 66.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Rachel Robinson (Jackie Robinson’s widow) accompanied the President on AF1 (photo)

  67. 67.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Restaurant staff in #Havana can’t turn away from news coverage as POTUS nears #Cuba; landing within hour. (photo)

  71. 71.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Roger Moore: Funny you should mention that. For a time I considered buying a handgun as a deterrent to burglary (having been burglarized exactly once, 25 years ago). Not really interested in gunning down an intruder inside the house–bloodstains are hell to get out of carpet–but would rather they not come in at all.

    Then i realized that

    (1) If I didn’t let it be known that I had a gun, no potential burglar was going to be deterred from B&E until & unless I shot one down on the premises, and

    (2) Once it did become known, I’d have to carry it with me at all times–otherwise my house would be broken into within 10 minutes of the next time I left to steal the gun. And carry it prominently, otherwise I’d still come home to find the place tossed in search of it. And even then,

    (3) I’d probably be ambushed by a mugger the next time I came home in the dark night, again in order to steal the gun.

    That put an end to that idea right quick.

  74. 74.

    Raven Onthill

    “Conservatives, when you say there’s no difference between the parties, what I hear is that your side f—d up real bad, and you don’t want to admit it.” (Me, last December)

  77. 77.

    Ruckus

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
    It didn’t look all that good when I was at Gitmo in 72. Oh the water was clear but my view was a pier surrounded by very tall barbwire topped fences. 2 sets with a no mans land in between, no fresh water, no club to get drunk at……

  78. 78.

    RaflW

    @lollipopguild:

    they can focus on page views and ad revenues and totally ignore the fact that the GOP is insane destroying our democracy right under the media’s noses.

    FTFY. Because Both sides do it is the ultimate “we’re not responsible for America catching fire and losing all hope. We just tell you things in bland and ‘balanced’ ways.”

    We report, you suffer. The tagline of the Fournier-ised media.

  79. 79.

    JPL

    I was streaming CNN International and my son set up CNN for me to stream. The coverage was completely different. CNN International covered the mob connection in Cuba at the time and the transfer of money out of the country, leaving extreme poverty behind. Older Cubans are not necessarily thrilled with the President’s visit. Poppy someone on CNN, covered the extreme poverty their now and will Obama change things.

  80. 80.

    raven

    @Ruckus: If the Facebook page is correct it looks like this weeks Trump cheapshot artist is an African American dude who either is or was a squid.

    eta Tony Pettway but the reports say he’s 32 and the dude on FB has got to be older than that.

  81. 81.

    RaflW

    @Zinsky:

    Anyone who asserts that there is “symmetry” is either intellectually lazy or dishonest.

    They could easily be both. In Fournier’s case, definitely both.

  84. 84.

    RaflW

    So the Obama visit to Cuba is very cool. Unfortunately I can already imagine the unhinged wingers saying this is so that Obummer can get his commie marching orders, or some such tinfoil hat garbage.

    Anyway, a historic day and I’m glad if Cuban’s think so too!

  87. 87.

    Germy

    @Eric U.:

    never read the internet comments. Excepting on the liberal blogosphere, of course

    Many, many liberal blogs are full of RW troll comments. They dive bomb. It would never occur to me to visit a RW blog and troll their comments.

  88. 88.

    Ruckus

    @Uncle Cosmo:
    Not everyone gets the dichotomy of owning a gun. They want the power, don’t understand the responsibility. Or the real costs.
    Not sure why but this popped into my head upon reading your comment.
    One of the best lines in Mash, tv not movie, Radar to Frank Burns, “They steal because they are poor, it’s the only way for them to stay alive.” Of course the response was classic conservative, “They should get a job.”
    Conservatives don’t get that there is a greater level of responsibility, that of societal responsibility. That level that we have not towards ourselves but each other.

  91. 91.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @catclub: Can we hope that there’s an Inverse Fournier Transform that provides actual information?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  92. 92.

    Ruckus

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
    No
    If there is anything Fournier involved in any formula the output is always bullshit. No way to fix that, it has a poison effect of every thing it touches.

    ETA It’s why he thinks that both sides are the same, every thing he touches turns to shit so everything in the world must be the same.

  93. 93.

    Technocrat

    @Germy:

    You probably wouldn’t last long dive-bombing their comments. RW blogs tend to be trigger-happy with the banhammer. Its like they revel in purging the heretics.

  95. 95.

    Kathleen

    @patroclus: @patroclus: Well, Chuckles Todd said Harry Reid did the same thing in 2008 that Mitch McConnell is doing today, so there’s that (speaking of tumbrels). He then asked Reid 3 times why he blamed Republicans for wanting a justice sympathetic to them.

  97. 97.

    Bobby Thomson

    Please. Fournier doesn’t actually believe both sides do it. It’s an argument. He’s a partisan Republican hack.

  99. 99.

    Quaker in a Basement

    Yes, there are two sides. Maybe more. Both or all sides do things. Not the same things, but things. Whether the different things done by different sides are equal in integrity, impact, magnitude, or respect for civil governance is, at best, an estimate and at worst an exercise in rationalizing. When finding the balance between the things different sides do becomes the primary goal, the only way to achieve it is to discount differences, and to do that, you have to distort the truth.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Didn’t Fournier also tweet that he was the only objective person in political punditry? The guy is a delusional, clueless hack.

  103. 103.

    LosGatosCA

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Bingo – you are correct.

    The only reason to say ‘both sides do it’ is if you can’t defend the side of the argument you are on.

    In all other cases, you claim superiority.

  105. 105.

    Jamey

    I’d go give Ron Fourflusher what-for, but he’s blocked me on Twitter.

    Brittle little twunt…

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