Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

An almost top 10,000 blog!

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

Republicans can’t even be trusted with their own money.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

Second rate reporter says what?

Let’s finish the job.

This blog will pay for itself.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

The GOP is a fucking disgrace.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

DeSantis transforms Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

“And when the Committee says to “report your income,” that could mean anything!

I’m sure you banged some questionable people yourself.

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  2. 2.

    Baud

    But Obama is wearing his American flag pin. Flag pin > Che mural. Conservatives must hate America not to realize that.

  9. 9.

    Betty Cracker

    Hearing MSNBC in the other room. Sounds like Trump is kissing AIPAC ass. Guess HRC won’t be to his right on that issue after all, as the twitterers were a’frettin’ earlier…

  10. 10.

    MomSense

    I’ve never understood this fear that Republicans have that a photo-op, or some other country’s propaganda/national pride, or conciliatory remarks (apologies) will weaken our nation in some way. They don’t have much faith in our country or Democratic values. Do they really think the United States is so fragile?

  11. 11.

    Cacti

    The best revenge the capitalists ever got on Che was selling sweat shop-made t-shirts with his visage to clueless American teens.

  14. 14.

    Chris

    @MomSense:

    Because they’re ridiculously insecure people.

    You know that old study that said what women were most afraid of was that men would assault them, but what men were most afraid of was that women would laugh at them? The latter half of the equation is our modern right wing in a nutshell. Ridiculously insecure people, who use the political process and the apparatus of government to lash out and try to reestablish their own manliness-cred. (Of course, since the main source of their insecurity is the voice in their own head, there’s really no amount of lashing out that’ll satisfy them).

  15. 15.

    dmsilev

    No, no, you don’t understand. Communist Cuba and all associated with it are clearly far far worse and a far far greater threat to US security than either the Soviet Union at its height or Communist China. That’s why we traded with the latter two and had to protect ourselves from the former.

  16. 16.

    Chris

    @Cacti:

    The best revenge the capitalists ever got on Che was selling sweat shop-made t-shirts with his visage to clueless American teens.

    That has always been my stance. An achievement equaled only by the act of putting Andrew Jackson’s face on the notes printed by a national bank. I don’t like either of them, but the irony of it is almost worth seeing their face again and again.

  18. 18.

    MomSense

    @Chris:

    Insecure and incurious. I would feel pity for them if they didn’t cause so many problems for the rest of us.

  20. 20.

    Chris

    @dmsilev:

    Yeah, I’ve always found the right wing hand-wringing about human rights in communist countries to be ridiculously hypocritical even for them, given how quickly they get over it once those countries go capitalist and start trading with us. China and Vietnam’s human rights records are shit, at least as bad as Cuba’s, and they’re still literally ruled by communist parties – where’s all the outrage for them?

  22. 22.

    Pseudonymous Bosch

    @MomSense: It’s because they believe in magic. Remeber when they freaked out when President Obama he didn’t use the correct form of the word “terrorism.”

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    @kc:

    Clinton gives shitty speech at AIPAC.

    Slate is working overtime in stupidity row:

    Clinton had an opportunity to show some political courage. She decided to alienate the left instead.

    Fuck the left. Might be interesting to have some actual reporting, to know how the speech was received by the attendees.

    Is Bernie speaking to the group, or did he have something better to do?

    In any event, this should satisfy Bob in Portland.

  25. 25.

    goblue72

    @kc: Like that’s any surprise. I fully expect Clinton’s newfound progressivism to vanish into a puff of centre-right smoke as soon as the Democratic Convention is over. If not sooner. The re-run of the Clinton era that we are starring down the barrel of is going to be SO. MUCH. FUN.

    Democrats are stone lucky that the GOP nominating process – and general rabidness of the GOP base – is such a shitshow that someone like Brian Sandoval or Susana Martinez can’t even entertain the possibility of running. Shit, recent aggregated polling has even a Kasich beating Clinton.

  28. 28.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    The Republicans would throw a f-cking conniption if Obama was photographed in front of a mural of Ronald Reagan.

    Here’s the process: 10) Republicans see Obama do something. 20) Republicans go ape-sh-t over Obama doing it. 30) Republicans get told that what Obama does is normal everyday practice that previous Presidents do all the f-cking time. 40) Republicans ignore what they’re told. 50) GOTO 10)

  29. 29.

    goblue72

    @Brachiator: AIPAC attendees being thrilled with the Clinton speech would be confirmation that the Slate article was correct. AIPAC being a rabidly pro-settlement, right-wing Israeli lobbying group.

  38. 38.

    Pseudonymous Bosch

    @MomSense: Thaat’s easy — it’s the one Obama (without loss of generality) does not happen to use.

    ETA: I think in the particular case to which I was referring, he used “act of terror” instead of “terrorism” or summat.

  40. 40.

    Cermet

    @dmsilev: You REALLY don’t get why?! That amerikan sugar companies, who lost their near slave labor and vast sugar plantations were the sole reason we turned against Castro and boycotted Cuba. Thousands of nuclear tipped missiles held by the Russia pales in comparison to the situation when the wealthy loss money. You really need to realize this simple fact.

  41. 41.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    sports fans: great game btwn Indiana and Notre Dame right now on ESPN2

    They’re just bombing threes

  43. 43.

    Chris

    @goblue72:

    Yeah, I don’t have major beef with Hillary Clinton, but I have to say there’s nothing particularly objectionable about objecting to a speech that flattered AIPAC’s sensibilities. Whatever the origin of said speech.

  44. 44.

    Betty Cracker

    Here’s a link to transcript and video of HRC’s AIPAC speech. Haven’t had a chance to watch it or read it in its entirety yet myself and will withhold judgment until I do so.

  45. 45.

    Peale

    @Chris: Unless, of course, you’re a particular kind of voter in Michigan who is going to flip her the finger and stay home.

  48. 48.

    geg6

    @goblue72:

    I read the speech and it was not pro-settlement. But lies about Clinton are your stock in trade, so have at it. Meanwhile, the parents of dead children in THIS country are eviscerating your hero for caring about Remington more than first graders being mowed down like stalks of hay at harvest and lying about their lawsuit. Feel the Bern!!! Especially when it’s coming from the barrel of an AR-15!!!

  49. 49.

    Brachiator

    Earlier, we had Glenn Reynolds blathering on about how David Brooks Created Donald Trump.

    Now WaPo gives us What Republicans did 15 years ago to help create Donald Trump today.

    Basically, trade deals with China. But this is kinda interesting.

    The 2000 vote effectively unleashed a flood of outsourcing to China, which in turn exported trillions of dollars of cheap goods back to the United States. Over the next 10 years, economists have concluded, the expanded trade with China cost the United States at least 2 million jobs. It was the strongest force in an overall manufacturing decline that cost 5 million jobs. Those workers were typically men whose education stopped after high school, a group that has seen its wages fall by 15 percent after adjusting for inflation.

    For blue-collar workers, the economic and political effects of permanent normal trade relations with China have swamped the effects of any other trade decision in the past 25 years. Economic evidence suggests the North American Free Trade Agreement, which passed on a bipartisan vote in 1993, did not cause anywhere near the same level of factory layoffs or wage losses — or any meaningful challenge to the GOP’s pro-trade orthodoxy in presidential nominations.

  50. 50.

    Pseudonymous Bosch

    @MomSense: To be fair Glenn Kessler, noted objective checker of facts at The War Criminal Post, did say that “act of terror” does not have nearly the magical power of “act of terrorism” and gave President Obama Four Pinoccios for claiming otherwise.

  51. 51.

    kc

    @Brachiator:

    Fuck the left. Might be interesting to have some actual reporting, to know how the speech was received by the attendees.

    LOL. I’m sure the AIPAC attendees fuckin’ love having HRC tell them what they wanted to hear.

  52. 52.

    Cacti

    @Chris:

    Yeah, I don’t have major beef with Hillary Clinton, but I have to say there’s nothing particularly objectionable about objecting to a speech that flattered AIPAC’s sensibilities. Whatever the origin of said speech.

    Especially considering that goblue72’s prince of progressive purity lived on a kibbutz.

  56. 56.

    kc

    @geg6:

    I generally ignore you and your periodic irrational lashing out at other posters, not to mention your hatred of Sanders, but LOL to this. Is that supposed to be a rebuttal? Her tepid comments regarding the Iran deal were the only part of her speech that didn’t get an ecstatic reception.

  58. 58.

    St. A

    @Chris: Tangential: Not a study, a Margaret Atwood quotation, and I think instead of ‘assault,’ she said ‘kill.’ (Instead of an inner child, I have an inner editor.)

  59. 59.

    burnspbesq

    Just out of idle curiosity, when was the last time an American political figure who matters didn’t kowtow to AIPAC?

  60. 60.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Wingtard fucksticks will be wingtard fucksticks. What are you going to do?

  64. 64.

    Chris

    @St. A:

    Don’t apologize. There aren’t enough editors in the world.

    (This is me every time a friend asked me to review their paper. “… But what did you think of the whole paper? Does it make sense? Do you understand the arguments?” “Er… er… well, I don’t know if I’m the best person to ask, but look! You have typos here, here and here, that comma should be a semicolon, that semicolon should be a period, and that period should be a paragraph break, also this is really awkwardly phrased, these words should always have their first letter capitalized, plus Chicago style citations don’t work like that. And you ended that sentence with a preposition, you bastard!”)

  67. 67.

    goblue72

    @Cacti: Only a gaping rectum would equate living on a socialist kibbutz in the 1960s with taking a hard-line pro-Israel stance in 2016. Or is Clinton’s teenage years as a Goldwater Girl relevant too?

    Not that it matters either, but I am pretty sure that Shaar Ha’amakim, the kibbutz Sanders volunteered at, is not in the occupied territories and has been located in an area that has always been inside the Green Line.

  68. 68.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    I recall Obama being denounced as a sell out the night he got elected 2008. Now Hilary doesn’t even need the nomation and she is already WORSE THAN OBUMMER!!(who’se worse than Bush)

    Face it, Hilary AKA Obama’s mother by Joesph Stalin AND Hitler, created Trump!!!

  69. 69.

    geg6

    @kc:

    They weren’t tepid and that was exactly my point. They didn’t like it. I don’t hate Sanders. You have to actually care about someone to hate them. I think he’s average at best. You can’t hate average. You don’t vote for it either. Plus, I only vote for Democrats. Bernie is not one, so he doesn’t get my vote.

  72. 72.

    Cacti

    @goblue72:

    Only a gaping rectum would equate living on a socialist kibbutz in the 1960s with taking a hard-line pro-Israel stance in 2016.

    Only one candidate has ever lived as a squatter in a Jewish-only settlement in Israel.

    His name sounds like Shmernie Shmanders.

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