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Winger what, winger who?

by DougJ|  March 21, 201612:35 pm| 98 Comments

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I thought this was a joke when I saw it on Charles Pierce….but it’s not!

Glenn Reynolds: How David Brooks created Donald Trump

The idea seems to be that Bobo said mean things about the Tea Partiers and drove them into the arms of Trump. And those mean things can’t be true because an anonymous blogger in San Francisco saw Tea Partiers picking up trash once. Persuasive stuff.

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  1. 1.

    henqiguai

    March 21, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    blogger in San Francisco say Tea Partiers picking up trash once

    Did you mean “SAW Tea Partiers picking up trash…”?

  2. 2.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    March 21, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    Are Reynolds and Hoft in some sort battle to the death for the Stupidest Man on the Internet bragging rights?

  3. 3.

    bystander

    March 21, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    How long before there’s an op ed piece on how Obummer made Bobo create Trump?

  4. 4.

    Doug!

    March 21, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    @henqiguai:

    Should be “saw’

  5. 5.

    MattF

    March 21, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @bystander: But he did! I can’t think of anyone else who could possibly be responsible. And neither can Glenn Reynolds.

  6. 6.

    boatboy_srq

    March 21, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    Brooks is, of course, horrified at Trump and his supporters, whom he finds childish, thuggish and contemptuous of the things that David Brooks likes about today’s America. It’s clear that he’d like a social/political revolution that was more refined, better-mannered, more focused on the Constitution and, well, more bourgeois as opposed to in-your-face and working class.

    The thing is, we had that movement. It was the Tea Party movement.

    Wait. The Teahad is/was bourgeois? Really?

    [headdesk]

    It will be a Day of Days when the Reichwing stops redefining hitherto-accepted terms to suit their own ends.

  7. 7.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    If you can get past his starting point (tea party arose out of legitimate concerns rather than being a reaction to the first Black President) he is partly right. The tea party definitely feels betrayed by the Republican failure to deliver on the promises it made to its base. Of course, would be nice for him to acknowledge how bat shit crazy and wholly divorced from reality those promises actually were.

    To be clear — I do not accept or believe his initial premises re: the legitimacy of tea party grievances.

  8. 8.

    C.V. Danes

    March 21, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    Denial ain’t a river in Egypt.

  9. 9.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 21, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    Sorry to go OT so quick, but Senator Professor Warren has some thoughts on Trump

    Elizabeth Warren ‏@ elizabethforma 28m28 minutes ago
    Listen to experts who say @ realDonaldTrump might have more money today if he’d put his inheritance in an index fund & left it alone.

    See how @ realDonaldTrump kept his father’s empire afloat using strategic corporate bankruptcies to skip out on debt.

    Let’s be honest – @ realDonaldTrump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he cheated people w/ scams like Trump U.

    I think the Trump meltdown is gonna put all his nuttiness on parade again

  10. 10.

    MattF

    March 21, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    @boatboy_srq: You mean, like the F-word. There’s also the A-word, the B-word, the C-word, the D-word, the E-word, the G-word, the H-word, the I-word… Etc.

  11. 11.

    ? Martin

    March 21, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Everyone is responsible for Donald Trump except for the GOP voters that keep voting for him. I understand the GOP opposition to the Democratic party, but they really need to stop being opposed to democracy itself.

  12. 12.

    Felonius Monk

    March 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    anonymous blogger in San Francisco saw Tea Partiers picking up trash once

    Undoubtedly this was court ordered community service in lieu of jail time for wrecking something.

  13. 13.

    ? Martin

    March 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Someone needs to reach out to the Warren campaign and inform them that all Trump-related tweets needs to end with ‘Sad!’. It has been so proclaimed.

  14. 14.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: She is really the best!

  15. 15.

    boatboy_srq

    March 21, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    @LAO:

    The tea party definitely feels betrayed by the Republican failure to deliver on the promises it made to its base.

    Which base these days is almost entirely White, male, Xtian, and somewhere significantly below the 1%ers in wealth and influence. Which in turn makes Trumpets only Teahadis who’ve given up the last pretences of being polite.

  16. 16.

    Librarian

    March 21, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    Yes, because right wing mobs never, ever leave trash behind. They always clean up after themselves. Like those guys in Oregon.

  17. 17.

    scav

    March 21, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    Trump is pretty much the empty calories of the current news cycle. I can’t decide if he’s more the astonishing levels of salt or sugar they add to all manufactured foodstuffs — both have merits. Or, maybe it’s more along the lines of everyone calling all drinks a something-tini that blew past, or adding pumpkin spice to every possible foodstuff in November. I’ve no doubt 419ers in Nigeria have worked up a patter about the vast assets of a man with your last name, killed in a tragic stampede at a Trump event. Provide your bank details now or the Trump campaign will get its hands on all those millions..

  18. 18.

    boatboy_srq

    March 21, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    @MattF: In this case, “bourgeois” (and prior to that “fascist,” “socialist,” “tyranny,” “religious liberty” and the rest of the dogwhistle). There is a point not too far from where things now stand where the U.S. and the GOTea will be unable to function together because they speak fundamentally different languages.

  19. 19.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    @boatboy_srq: I agree. My lame point was we should not be all that surprised by the Trumpets (I like that name) because the predictable outcome of republican over-promising to tea party voters. How many times have they voted to repeal ACA?

  20. 20.

    Paul in KY

    March 21, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    @LAO: Those fucking ‘tea partiers’ don’t even read Brooks. Now, their users & bosses do, but the doofuses out there with their stupid signs & tricorner hats & whatnot don’t.

  21. 21.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    Sigh.

    Life was easier when Doug was gone. These people were easier to not hear about.

  22. 22.

    dedc79

    March 21, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    O/T but opposition to Garland nomination is at 27+2%.

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    March 21, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    Glenn Reynolds and David Brooks. Two Dopes.

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 21, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    Josh Barro ‏@ jbarro 3m3 minutes ago
    Note to Marco Rubio: Elizabeth Warren managed to burn Trump pretty hard without saying he has a tiny penis.

  25. 25.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    @Paul in KY: Agreed.

  26. 26.

    catclub

    March 21, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    @bystander: You say that as thought it hasn’t already come out.

  27. 27.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 21, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    @scav: Empty calories? He is far worse than that, he is like cyanide in the coffee.

  28. 28.

    Doug!

    March 21, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    He’s cyanide in the coffee of a cynical destructive political movement.

  29. 29.

    dedc79

    March 21, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    Predictions on Reynold’s next column?

    How Obama created the Zika Virus

    How Jimmy Carter created Bolshevism

    How Sasha and Malia created the KKK

    How Judge Garland created abortion

  30. 30.

    Technocrat

    March 21, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Let’s be honest – @ realDonaldTrump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he cheated people w/ scams like Trump U

    BOOM. There’s no way Trumplestiltskin can let that slide. I hope this is how we fight him in the general, constant mockery from all quarters. If Prof Warren can drop it this hard, I can’t wait for BHO to get going.

  31. 31.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 21, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    @Doug!: So far yes, but when becomes the nominee, we may not escape the fallout.

    ETA: So he is a radioactive poison, a gamma ray emitter.

  32. 32.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    @Technocrat: I expect BHO to be much more subtle. I love Warren but as a Senator she can be more direct than the President.

  33. 33.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    March 21, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    The pundits keep missing the point. The problem isn’t Trump, the problem is the people voting for Trump. That’s the scary id monster that the GOP establishment should be worried about. Trump should have fizzled out by September if the GOP base behaved anything like what the pundits believe.

    The GOP base is the kid that gets off on torturing and killing small animals, and the punditocracy/GOP leadership is the parent that blames violent video games. They’re getting the cause and effect exactly backward.

  34. 34.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    The GOP base is the kid that gets off on torturing and killing small animals, and the punditocracy/GOP leadership is the parent that blames violent video games. They’re getting the cause and effect exactly backward.

    Well said.

  35. 35.

    The Red Pen

    March 21, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Good summary, but I would add that Reynolds also waxes rhapsodic about how these Tea Party Patriots were animated by completely imaginary threats and outrages.

  36. 36.

    jonas

    March 21, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    The idea that any Tea Party types, much less Trump supporters, have any frickin’ clue who David Brooks is, is perhaps the the most hilarious thing about that post.

    ETA: Whoops — yeah, what Paul in KY said.

  37. 37.

    Technocrat

    March 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm

    @LAO:

    No, I agree. Obama won’t (and shouldn’t) call anyone a “loser”. But his snark is comedian-quality.

  38. 38.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The problem is, the folks on the bottom actually believed that shit, and the whole thing got away from the party

    Agreed — that was my point — I’m just not that articulate. But I do think it”s even worse. Because the Party leaders kept stoking the base’s resentments and making promises and claims it could not deliver on, because I think they never believed the base would revolt. And here we are.

  39. 39.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    @jonas: He is a Shade master. I’m going to miss him so when he leaves office.

    ETA: Sorry Jonas, that comment should have been directed to Technocrat,

  40. 40.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 21, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: Haven’t they always been with us, though. Aren’t these the same people who would have been Dixiecrats prior to the Civil Rights Movement.

  41. 41.

    scav

    March 21, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: He may be if actually elected. But adding trite, logic-deficient discussions / rants about him or including his name as click bait traps adds nothing to the national diet of actually doing anything about him in either direction and usually adds no new information to the intellectual feast.

  42. 42.

    Paul in KY

    March 21, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    @efgoldman: Those clowns think ‘Weekly World News’ and other fiction rags are legit newspapers!

  43. 43.

    Paul in KY

    March 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    @jonas: What jonas said above!

  44. 44.

    Chris

    March 21, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    Yeah, I think one of the main stories of this election cycle is the realization of how completely out of touch with the average voters (on either side) the Village is. Most people have known that for years, of course, but now they’re starting to realize it.

  45. 45.

    boatboy_srq

    March 21, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    @dedc79: Mustn’t forget how Bill Clinton (or was it FDR?) created the Stamp Tax…

  46. 46.

    pseudonymous in nc

    March 21, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    As ever when Ol’ Perfesser features, I check the UTenn salary database to see how much public money he’s getting, and the answer this time round is $163,870, in a state without an income tax.

  47. 47.

    Chris

    March 21, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    The very best moment in the column is this –

    Yet the tea party movement was smeared as racist, denounced as fascist, harassed with impunity by the IRS and generally treated with contempt by the political establishment — and by pundits like Brooks, who declared “I’m not a fan of this movement.”

    Get that? That was the harsh, stinging, cruel, insensitive, elitist, demeaning, beyond-the-pale insult that David Brooks flung at the protesters. “I’m not a fan of this movement.” That was the big insult that drove them all into Donald Trump’s arms.

    On another note, I wonder if Glenn Reynolds, who prides himself with having “actually ventured out to intermingle with” the teabaggers, has thought to go out and do the same thing about Trump supporters and ask them how they went from being teabaggers to being Trump supporters. Whether, in fact, they see any contradiction in what they did, rather than seeing the latter as a logical extension of the former. Because it’s not at all obvious to many people that there’s any dichotomy between “teabagger” and “Trump voter.”

  48. 48.

    Trollhattan

    March 21, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    Trump U at least straight-up defrauded students by charging for an education not delivered. The poor students of Professor Reynolds not only are paying, they’ll have to be deprogrammed for whatever dreck he’s learnin’ them in the classroom. The poor sods.

  49. 49.

    BruceFromOhio

    March 21, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    OK, finally realized what the connection to “Hoot-Smalley” is and Why It’s A Thing. Sheesh.

    “A rare one-word distillation of Wingnut cluelessness and loopiness, in an especially crystalline form” seems to apply to a of things of late, Arkon.

  50. 50.

    BruceFromOhio

    March 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc: Money can’t buy you love.

  51. 51.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    March 21, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    @bystander: that’s Hillary did her voodoo pantsuit thing with Michelle, on Obummer to make Bobo create Donald Trump.

  52. 52.

    James E Powell

    March 21, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    @LAO:

    The tea party definitely feels betrayed by the Republican failure to deliver on the promises it made to its base.

    Right, because the No. 1 promise they made to the tea party rabble was that they were going to destroy that black president and put him and all his uppity supporters back in their place.

  53. 53.

    Doug!

    March 21, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    The problem isn’t Trump, the problem is the people voting for Trump.

    And to some extent the people managing the campaigns of the people running against Trump.

  54. 54.

    patroclus

    March 21, 2016 at 2:04 pm

    I think Brooks created the Trump movement while dining at the salad bar at Applebee’s.

  55. 55.

    bystander

    March 21, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    @catclub:

    @bystander: You say that as thought it hasn’t already come out.

    Under previous theories of the etiology of the Trump phenomenon, Obummer was considered the prime mover, with no intermediaries. This new theory, that Bobo created the Trumperia, currently fails to take into account Obummer’s uncanny (voodoo?) ability to use thought control to make his enemies act against their own interests. This breach of repub orthodoxy will have to be explained sooner or later.

  56. 56.

    GregB

    March 21, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    Has there ever been a definitive study on how FDR created Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin?

  57. 57.

    James E Powell

    March 21, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Compare with Warren Buffett’s Million Dollar Bet – The bet is who will make more in ten years.

    Some really smart hedge fund managers chose five really smart hedge funds; Buffett took an S&P index fund. Guess who’s winning.

  58. 58.

    Miss Bianca

    March 21, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    @Technocrat:

    OK, I think “Trumplestiltskin” is my new fave rave nickname for the Orange-Coiffed One…

  59. 59.

    catclub

    March 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    @GregB: Probably scrawled in crayon by Michelle Malkin.

  60. 60.

    James E Powell

    March 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    The pundits keep missing the point. The problem isn’t Trump, the problem is the people voting for Trump.

    They aren’t missing the point, they have all sworn an oath that they shall never disparage nor describe with accuracy the mental and emotional states of the American voters. They are always to be spoken of as wise and good and generous and kind and never never never racist. There are two exceptions to this rule: 1) American voters does not include African American voters because they’re just so different and 2) any voters who openly support leftist or anti-war candidates because they’re just crazy.

  61. 61.

    bystander

    March 21, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    @patroclus:

    I think Brooks created the Trump movement while dining at the salad bar at Applebee’s.

    See what happens when you leave the sneezeguard in the kitchen when the buffet opens? Anybody can infect the exposed bleu cheese crumbs, croutons and ranch dressing. Charles Pierce may want to consider this in connection with his theory of prion disease infecting the repub party.

    As for the history of the parties and their constituents, both parties were historically racist. The difference is that, among repubs, it used to be considered bad form and low class to express openly your disdain for entire groups of people. That rule of the patricians who ran the repub party went the way of Henry Cabot Lodge.

  62. 62.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 21, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    @efgoldman: My point was different, that people like Trump’s supporters have always existed. What is different is that they have now completely taken over one major political party. The Republican establishment cannot or will not stand up to the Trumpistas.

  63. 63.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 21, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hitting Trump as a businessman is absolutely the right tack to take. It points out that he’s weak in an area he’s claiming as a strength and it drives him crazy.

  64. 64.

    James E Powell

    March 21, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    What this year’s Republican primaries really needed was more cowbell Michelle Bachman.

  65. 65.

    Trollhattan

    March 21, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    Absolutely, he has the bidnez acumen of Bush the Lesser, and we’ve been down that path already.

    When I hear supposedly sane, ed-you-cated folks defend their Trump support it’s always some form of “he gets things done” or “he builds things.” The bubble has taken on a life of its own, like Rover in The Prisoner.

  66. 66.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    March 21, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Haven’t they always been with us, though. Aren’t these the same people who would have been Dixiecrats prior to the Civil Rights Movement.

    Oh yeah. You know that and I know that.

    The problem is that people like Brooks and Reynolds don’t know that; they seem to believe that the batshit crazy didn’t exist in the Republican base until Obama unleashed his Magic Scary Negro Mojo Ray on millions of unsuspecting white Americans.

    Again, cause, effect, exactly backwards.

  67. 67.

    Roger Moore

    March 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    @Chris:

    Yeah, I think one of the main stories of this election cycle is the realization of how completely out of touch with the average voters (on either side) the Village is.

    I think the bigger story is how out of touch the Republican establishment is with their base. The big reason Trump was able to walk in and take over is because so many Republican voters are angry at their own party’s leadership. The leadership had assumed that the rank and file were on-board with their whole project, but it turns out that the base doesn’t really hate Social Security and Medicare, and they are dead set against immigration.

    I think this is an area where the Democrats actually have an advantage because of the diversity of their coalition. They have the same problem, maybe even worse, about having factions within the party who disagree on important issues, but at least everyone is aware of it. Politicians know they need to do something for each different interest group, and the interest groups themselves know they are unlikely to get everything they want. It makes everyone’s expectations more realistic.

  68. 68.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    March 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    And those mean things can’t be true because an anonymous blogger in San Francisco saw Tea Partiers picking up trash once.

    I call bullshit. No one with an ounce of sense would pick up anything off the streets of SF without a biohazard suit on.

  69. 69.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 21, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    @Chris: The Village has shown that they are not reporters at all but courtiers and propagandists. They were pimping Rubio long after we all knew that he had zero chance at the nomination.

  70. 70.

    Felonius Monk

    March 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    I suppose it is too much to hope that Bobo’s next column will be titled Why Glenn Reynolds is Full of Shit and an Idiot Besides.

  71. 71.

    Paul in KY

    March 21, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc: Thanks for ruining my day ;-)

  72. 72.

    Paul in KY

    March 21, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    @GregB: I think Jonah Goldberg is working on that. Will be in his next ‘book’.

  73. 73.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: And trump’s response to Senator Warren. The Indian…

  74. 74.

    rikyrah

    March 21, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    huh

    HUH?

    Black People Twice As Likely To Be Arrested For Pot In Colorado And Washington — Where It’s Legal

    BY CARIMAH TOWNES
    MAR 21, 2016 11:58 AM

    When Colorado and Washington became the first states to legalize recreational marijuana in 2012, drug policy advocates and pot consumers believed racial drug arrests would drop dramatically. That logic inspired voters in Washington, D.C., Oregon, and Alaska to hit the polls two years later in favor of less restrictive pot laws.

    But it turns out that advocates and consumers were only half right. Drug arrests have plummeted overall, yet black people are still disproportionately arrested.

    Between 2008 and 2014, marijuana arrests decreased by 60 percent in Colorado and 90 percent in Washington. However, a study of FBI Uniform Crime Reports conducted by the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice’s Mike Males concluded that black people in 2008 and 2014 were twice as likely to be arrested for marijuana — in both states.

    “I am surprised and disappointed by this,” Males told the Washington Post. “The forces that contribute to racial disparities under prohibition are clearly still in place after legalization.”

    According to a national study from the ACLU in 2013, black users are 3.73 more likely to be arrested for possession than their white counterparts, even though both groups use pot at the same rate. As a result, black people are disproportionately slapped with mandatory minimum sentences and languish in prison for decades even as more states consider legalization.

    Despite the positive ramifications that legalization was expected to have for African Americans, a recent Buzzfeed investigation found that they’re also left out of the weed market in states where the drug is legal.

    Thanks to centuries of oppression, the piece notes, black people who hope to profit from marijuana sales generally can’t afford the $250,000 start-up costs to get their businesses off of the ground. And banks are unable to give them business loans, because the federal government, which still considers marijuana illegal, insures them. With easier access to cash and property, white men dominate the legal industry.

  75. 75.

    catclub

    March 21, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    @efgoldman: I bet if you looked back at Romney in 2012 it would be the same thing, he did not get majorities of primary voters until late in the process, but he won with 33-45% of the vote.

  76. 76.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 21, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    @efgoldman: If he is the nominee, don’t you expect most of the Republican primary voters to fall in line and vote for Trump. So its a distinction without a difference. They may not be more than 50% of the Republican primary electorate but they are in charge.

  77. 77.

    Technocrat

    March 21, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    @LAO:

    For some one who has admittedly mastered social media, Trump is surprisingly to troll.

  78. 78.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    @Technocrat: He is so thin skinned! I’d be amused if I didn’t find the whole thing enraging.

  79. 79.

    Paul in KY

    March 21, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    @rikyrah: What charges are they generally getting hit with?

  80. 80.

    Amir Khalid

    March 21, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    @efgoldman:
    Per RealClearPolitics’ numbers, The Donald only has a plurality of just under 39.5%. But that’s still some 2 million votes head of Jackhole Ted.

  81. 81.

    ? Martin

    March 21, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    I’ve written before about the role of automation on manufacturing jobs vs the role of free trade. Apple just dropped a pretty decent example of that.

    It’s a robot that disassembles iPhones so the individual components can be reused/recycled in a more effective way than just shredding the phone or bundling them up and dumping them on some poor community (Guyiu China). Recycling has extremely low margins, so it either needs to be done cheap or it tends to not be done at all, and automation is an almost necessary solution. This is one of those things that is almost certain to be converting social capital into new jobs – recycling as something we see as inherently good, but couldn’t afford to do before and therefore simply wasn’t a job at all until we could concentrate it sufficiently through automation. And it begs the question what this could develop into in terms of new industries.

  82. 82.

    LAO

    March 21, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    @rikyrah:
    @Paul in KY:

    I looked at those Thinkprogress posts and — admittedly, I haven’t looked into the local marijuana statutes in those states — simple possession (personal use) is rarely a felony or a misdemeanor, it is usually a violation in most states.
    They are conflating two issues here — marijuana arrests and mandatory minimums — two different issues. (The weight to support a mandatory minimum in the feds for marijuana is requires a significant amount of marijuana — to trigger the 5-year mandatory minumim, defendant must be convicted of possessing 100 KG of Marijuana (or 220 lbs). Here is a chart.

    As a federal criminal defense attorney — I am opposed to mandatory minimums.

  83. 83.

    prob50

    March 21, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Right, because the No. 1 promise they made to the tea party rabble was that they were going to destroy that black president and put him and all his uppity supporters back in their place.

    Well, those who promoted the birther nonsense certainly rang the bell that got the Joe Plumber sector salivating into their tea cups over the prospect of removing Pressydint Blakity from office, stuffing a burning koran up his Moozalum butt and shipping him back to Afreaka. If you think I’m overstating just mosey over to one of their blogs.

  84. 84.

    boatboy_srq

    March 21, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    @James E Powell: IIRC that oath has been broken recently – and in NRO no less – where there’s some very succinct disparaging of Flyoverland and the WWC as “failed” communities that should be “allowed to die.” The politesse was never about how b#tsh!t-crazy the conservatist rank and file are – it was always in the tacit permission for that segment to persist, even though the Ruling Elite among the GOP were convinced that wiping that insanity out of the gene pool was desirable even if it were unachievable.

    No small amount of the dilemma the GOP VSPs find themselves in today stems from caving in to the FundiEvangelists on anti-choice policies and abstinence-only sex ed: without that breeding programme in everything but name, the Teahadis and Trumpets would have remained a fringe minority barely able to elect a single state legislator. They can’t stuff’em back in and ask for a refund, and it’s only the most frustrated voices that are telling them the US of A would be better off if they’d all just FOAD.

  85. 85.

    retiredeng

    March 21, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I hope Senator Warren knows how to play this to full effect. She needs to ignore his responses until he’s fully in the tank with more and more ridiculous retorts. And when he seems satisfied hit him again.

  86. 86.

    Villago Delenda Est

    March 21, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Liz knows that Drumpf is a thin-skinned sack of shit, and she’s baiting him. Trolling him hard. And the stupid motherfucker will walk right into it as as sure as there’s a briar patch.

  87. 87.

    JPL

    March 21, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    @retiredeng: She’s an Indian, no way can she unite the country.

  88. 88.

    Doug R

    March 21, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    @efgoldman: Hillary has pulled in a million more votes than him and two and a half million more than Sanders.

  89. 89.

    JPL

    March 21, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    OT.. I’m listening to Drumpf and it’s difficult for me to follow him. Maybe the group that designed this year’s winner of the Post diorama, understand his mind better than I. link

  90. 90.

    NickM

    March 21, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    Glenn Reynolds is still alive? Who knew?

  91. 91.

    Turgidson

    March 21, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    She should have added “Sad!” to that last tweet about Drumpf being a loser.

  92. 92.

    Turgidson

    March 21, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    @Turgidson:

    Damn, I see I am late to the party on that one.

  93. 93.

    Gian

    March 21, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    clouds in my coffee

  94. 94.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I hope she keeps trolling him hard. He’s a thin-skinned stupid motherfucker, which makes it really entertaining.

  95. 95.

    Turgidson

    March 21, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Chris:

    harassed with impunity by the IRS

    Jebus H Crackers, Reynolds actually said this? The Right Wing lollygaggers are such fucking whiny babies and so addled by their own bullshit, it still blows my mind sometimes even though I’ve tried to learn not to be surprised by any of it anymore. Receiving a bit of extra bureaucratic scrutiny for your dark money organization’s request to be considered a non-profit (which was granted in almost every case, if I remember correctly) is now considered “harassed with impunity.”

    Good lord, do these people think the world should have all its hard edges coated in Nerf foam so they don’t get hurt? And if so, wouldn’t that require a lot of regulation and government spending? Derp.

    ETA: And he also said they were treated with contempt by the political establishment. To put it mildly, I don’t remember it that way. I remember liberal bloggers, and, occasionally, pundits, treating them with the dismissal and mockery they always deserved. But I remember the Village treating them with inexplicable deference and steadfastly refusing to point out that these brain-morons had no idea what the fuck they were even angry about, substantively, and that the motivation for their animus was almost undoubtedly a certain someone who dared to do any presidenting while black.

    The stupid, it does burn.

  96. 96.

    Chris

    March 21, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @Turgidson:

    They’re so used to the entire universe going their way that even a failure of full throated support is treated as “contempt.” Also, the siege/bunker mentality they and their Fox News bubble magnifies the effect of any criticism out of all proportion. I’m sure they think Jon Stewart and Paul Krugman represent the consensus of the entire mainstream media, rather than the voices in the wilderness they actually are.

  97. 97.

    mclaren

    March 21, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Deeeeeeeeeeeeeee-lightful.

    Waiting for an op-ed by Limbaugh that says Glenn Reynolds created Trump. Then the circle will be complete.

  98. 98.

    Paul in KY

    March 22, 2016 at 9:08 am

    @LAO: Thank you for checking into it.

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