More than 20,000 sign petition to allow guns at Republican National Convention – CNN https://t.co/TV1TRviFNr
— James Martinelli (@Mlaj1591) March 26, 2016
I thought it was a joke. The RNC really wants a Trump-Cruz showdown with guns in the hall? Oh. My. God. https://t.co/BvX9OLI3Pr
— AlGiordano (@AlGiordano) March 26, 2016
It’s almost certainly a joke — because Murphy the Trickster God does not love us Democrats that much — but it’s hard to imagine a better practical joke emerging before next Friday. Per USA Today:
More than 25,000 people have signed a petition to allow firearms inside the Republican National Convention being held in Cleveland in July.
Firearms are currently not permitted inside the Quicken Loans Arena, known as “the Q,” where the gathering will take place.
The petition, posted Monday on Change.org, sought only 5,000 signatures but has since quintupled, topping 25,000 Saturday afternoon. It was posted by an author identified only as “N.A.” from Cleveland, but the user profile appears to have been deleted from the website.
It was not clear whether the person posting the petition was backing the proposal or attempting to put the party, which strongly backs gun rights, in an awkward position…
The Ohio GOP denies all knowledge, as they would.
Waldo
Don’t see how the petition changes the rules of the arena, but hey, it’s worth a shot, so to speak.
karen marie
I signed the petition, because I figure if they think guns in grocery stores, churches and bars is appropriate, they should have guns in their convention. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
MikeBoyScout
Clearly the 2nd amendment must be honored and Ted Cruz should redeem the GOP by cooking bacon for all Trump delegates
James Franks
Even if the Area would change the rules, the Secret Service would still enforce a no guns policy,
amk
Ok, at least now, can we declare peak wingnut has finally arrived?
Adam L Silverman
Nothing at the Armed Intelligentsia site on this yet. Should be interesting to see the comments once they cover it.
trollhattan
In an earlier thread we settled on Shootout at the OKKK Corral. Works for me; please proceed, Republicans.
Richard Mayhew
@amk: never. We may approach Peak Wingnut but never actually get there
leeleeFL
OMG! What could possibly go wrong if this is allowed? I am coming to a conclusion. The GOP is now completely gonzo. They are heading for the cliff faster than Thelma and Louise!
Adam L Silverman
@Waldo: Even if the arena agreed it wouldn’t matter. The Secret Service will control the space for security purposes and they will not allow firearms in. And they have Federal statutes to back them up.
amk
@Richard Mayhew:
In other words, white privilege never ends?
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Bu- bu- but STATES’ RIGHTS!?!?!?
Amir Khalid
If the petition was sincere, it demonstrates a parting of the ways between a good part of the Republican party base and common sense. If it was a ratfuck, it’s a brilliant move on par with a Cruyff turn or a bent-like-Beckham direct free kick. My suspicion is that it was meant as satire, but taken seriously by more people than the original petitioner expected.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: I know I’m preaching to the choir, but: states have powers, not rights.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Yeah, I should have affixed the RWNJ tag to my comment.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: It would be nice if they’d actually read the 10th Amendment before they start citing it as the Foundational legal authority for their ideological preferences.
LAO
@Amir Khalid: seconded.
gwangung
@Amir Khalid: In other words, more people with the sensibility of BJers than the original petitioner expected?
Punchy
Is this open carry of pistols, or are machine guns allowed? Because if the latter, it would make for great TV. A convention full of assholes each trying to out-gun each other w/ their custom mags and scopes and silencers….
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
Seems obvious that reading comprehension is a trait that is not expressed in certain political groups.
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: I keep looking for the section in my copy of the Constitution about county sheriffs, but no matter how many times I look I can never find it. My copy must be defective or something!
Adam L Silverman
Alright folks, I’m off to rub the doggie bellies. For everyone who is celebrating tomorrow have a Happy and Healthy Easter. For everyone else have a wonderful Sunday and remainder of your weekend.
JGabriel
USAToday via Anne Laurie @ Top:
How many of them were Democrats?
Because I know I certainly considered signing it, until I realized I had to give my email address to a right-wing pro-gun Republican proto-terrorist organization to do it.
Major Major Major Major
Ahh, new thread.
…nobody tell mclaren.
Amir Khalid
@gwangung:
Not quite, although at least one of us has ‘fessed up to signing it (see karen marie #2). I’m talking about those who signed the petition out of a wholehearted and sincere belief that people should be free to carry firearms anywhere at all.
JGabriel
amk:
You can – but as soon as you do, they’ll top it again.
RaflW
@Amir Khalid: I assumed from the start it was satire with a steaming hot side of ratfuck.
Ruckus
@JGabriel:
Seems like that would have been a bad idea, I don’t think we should be encouraging mental illness.
amk
@JGabriel: Get a throw away mail id.
Greg in PDX
Some of my anti-gun friends have signed it, because as stated above, if it’s OK to carry a gun in a school or a church it should be fine to carry it at the second amendment worshiping R convention. If it isn’t, then they need to explain why. That will be very entertaining to watch.
M. Bouffant
@Punchy: The petitioner wants both:
It was the “or assault weapons” that convinced me this was not sincere. Also it was on change.org, apparently not a gun-humpin’, liberty-lovin’, Holly Rollin’ site.
And this was the final proof:
JGabriel
Al Giordano @ Top:
I’ve been saying for months now, possibly years, that I think the GOP debates should consist of handing the nominees guns, and the last one living wins.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Has the secret service weighed in on this?
satby
@Major Major Major Major: oh, is that what happened below? I hate trying to catch up to 400+ comment threads.
Anne Laurie
@Amir Khalid:
As they say in Japanese anime, bing!-bing!-bing!
I suspect this petition should be used as an exemplar in the Wikipedia entry for Poe’s Law.
Villago Delenda Est
This is without doubt Dem ratfucking, but it’s brilliant. These hypocritical shits need to be exposed as often as possible.
RaflW
I read through many of the user comments on the petition, after I signed it a couple days ago, and I’d say at least of the commenters at that time (around 7,000 signatures then), it appeared 2/3rds were variations on 1) serves ’em right/I have to endure them in the store/church/school yard, 2) what could go wrong??!?? or 3) it’ll make great TV.
The other 1/3rd seemed to be gun nuts/sincere. Of course many sign without adding comment. Mine was something like “‘Cause we need a 21st century update on the old OK Corral movie.”
JGabriel
@Richard Mayhew:
There is only the Wingularity.
WarMunchkin
Honestly, I think this is probably mostly liberals. But if the convention floor does turn into a shootout or brawl, I’d be willing to entertain the possibility of peak wingnut. Personally, I’m terrified. I know people who would have to go cover that convention.
kindness
I’m going right over there and signing that petition.
Suzanne
I was disappointed that Phoenix didn’t get either convention this year. Now I’m THRILLED. I fully support open carry there, though. Live by the firearm, die by the firearm. And make sure it’s picked up by all the major news networks.
Spawn is now seeing a counselor, and she now has two dwarf hamsters to keep her entertained at home. Ex-husband still isn’t contributing financially. Now my mom, who lives with us due to her crazy, is being crazy at Spawn and I am enraged. I seriously fear that I might lose my shit one of these days.
seaboogie
@Anne Laurie: @Villago Delenda Est: @Amir Khalid:
Agreed. This is a total Liberal ratfvck, and it maybe got more than a few “true believers” caught up in it. I have no idea what the editorial meetings at The Onion are like these days, but I’d give pretty good odds on at least one of them there is wearing a sweatshirt such as I saw being sported by a way cool 70-ish female physician customer of mine. It was emblazoned:
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
Amir Khalid
@WarMunchkin:
I certainly wouldn’t want to see fellow journos come to harm, either. As already pointed out, there’s no way your Secret Service would allow any carrying of guns into the convention, even if the Quicken Loans Arena did allow it — which the venue all but certainly won’t. I do expect that the Secret Service will end up confiscating many a buttload of firearms, though.
RedDirtGirl
@Anne Laurie: And as Drumpf says,”Bing-bong. Bing bing bong bong.”
jl
@srv: I never footnote my comments*
*except when need to cite references for skeptical trolls**
**not implying anyone in particular is troll***
***troll meant in the modern blog sense, not the mythological or garden sculpture sense of the word****
****Smythe Smithies Biggington, PhD. FRAS, RAUK, FFSCA, CA Contractor License GY8-9186352. A very thoroughly footnoted history of the Saussurean and non-Saussurean semiotics of the word ‘troll’. British Journal of Chemically Leavened Home Breads, Material Engineering of Cat Litter, and General Semiotics 2016: 109(258): 9836-12875,
benw
@jl: all time great comment.
Major Major Major Major
Back when I (ugh) was a ghostwriter for a ‘self-help guru’, he would demand endnotes instead of footnotes because footnotes ‘disrupt the reader’s flow.’ Now, he’s a hack–one of those types who people defend by pointing to the sheer number of citations as some evidence of accuracy–so what they *actually* do is allow the reader to think they’re reading something sophisticated without actually bothering flipping to the back (and find out how shoddy the cites are, should they choose to dig.)
Not that there was any flow to disrupt. God, what a hack. The worst part? He was just smart enough to get a PhD from a reputable place, and just dumb enough not to realize he was an idiot.
Anya
@srv: I enjoyed the discussion.
Comrade Luke
Bernie destroyed Hillary the Terrible in two states today, so of course there’s no comment here.
Keeping f*ckin’ that chicken, folks.
Darkrose
I signed. Hey, walk the walk, y’all! Everyone there will be a good guy with a gun, right? Open carry in Cleveland has never caused any problems for white folks.
Anne Laurie
@Suzanne: They told you you were now part of the Sandwich Generation — but they didn’t warn you about the panini press, did they?
Hugs, for what they’re worth over the internet, and don’t be afraid to vent here whenever!
Amir Khalid
@Comrade Luke:
I’m sure there’ll be a thread pretty soon. After all, this is a politics blog. There doesn’t seem much to say, since the caucus results seem consistent with what the polling predicted. But there will surely be enough wailing and rending of garments by Hillaristas to bring out your Schadenfreude.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Anyone read Trump’s loony interview with NYT. He wants Japan and S Korea to build their own nuclear arsenal.
You know – Japan – the country that started WWII.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@amk:
These people are nothing but id.
jl
@Comrade Luke:
Bernie Sanders scares Trump Round II
https://youtu.be/5OUsTT9XN1Q
Doug R
@Comrade Luke: Bernie ‘ s doin’ all white.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Bernie’s total vote tonight was almost as big as HRC’s victory margin in Ohio.
PurpleGirl
OT: Re how they filmed the parting of the Red Sea (from the thread below) I feel asleep just after that scene, so here’s the answer:
They built a water tank that had three sections, one on each side and a center portion. They had motors at the extreme sides of the right and left portions to roil the water. The glass partition of the center section was in 2 inch panels going from the front to the back. They began the water roiling and began pulling up those 2-inch panels and the water rushed in to the central section. That created the water filling back in and covering the Egyptian army and killing them.
So they filmed the water rushing in and then created the army being killed. To create the water being parted, they ran the film backwards and then combined it with film of the people walking/running through the dry central portion.
I dated a film buff who was really into special effects and one date we went to a showing of the Ten Commandments in an old large screen theater. That Disney did the animation for the Green Death and the Pillar of Fire was generally known for a long time. But the parting of the Red Sea was kept secret for many years.
Arclite
I wonder, if they allowed guns, and thousands of people showed up strapping, tensions rose and tempers flared, and a shootout resulted in hundreds of deaths and total chaos, do you supposed Republicans might come around on their pro-gun insanity?
M. Bouffant
@Arclite: Well, if it were their personal ox being gored we might hear another story, but I’d still bet on “Jes’ warn’t e-nuff gunz is all.”
mclaren
Marvelous. One mass shooting coming up.
magurakurin
@Amir Khalid: There was no polling because nobody cared. It was a forgone conclusion that he would win WA by huge margins, and nobody really cares about AK or HI except the people who live there. And judging by the absurdly low number of voters in Alaska, nobody cares there either. Senator Sanders will have his clock re-cleaned in New York and then the remaining bits and pieces will be ground into tiny pieces in PA, MD, DE, CT, and RI. He’ll get some smaller wins again after that, and then he will lose CA and NJ, and Clinton will go over 2026 for pledged delegates and 2383 total for the nomination. End of story.
mclaren
@Comrade Luke:
Hllary’s nomination is inevitable. Nothing can change it. No matter how many states Bernie wins, he can never win.
Didn’t you get the telegram?
MikefromArlington
I’m encouraging all to sign. Every wingnut org should patrol the halls of the convention
Technocrat
@Arclite:
“Liberal Media speculation incites shooting at GOP Convention”
mclaren
Does anyone else absolutely LOVE the fact that the Republican National Convention is taking place in the Quicken Loans Arena…a stadium renamed after a payday loan outfit that engages in legalized loansharking?
Boy, talk about optics…
Bess
@mclaren:
Isn’t it the case that Bernie would have to win 58% of all remaining delegates and that Hillary has won 57% of all to date? Or did I reverse those numbers?
It’s a big hill that Bernie must climb.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
the muppets would have a better grasp on policy
Amir Khalid
@magurakurin:
So there were no surprises, as I expected? i stand corrected on the polling. I do remember Bernie’s chances were already considered hopeless after the Ides of March.
mclaren
@Bess:
No one can climb hills. It’s impossible.
Didn’t you get the message?
mclaren
@Amir Khalid:
Bernie’s chances have always been hopeless. Bernie’s chances were hopeless before he was born, and even after Bernie wins the nomination and raises his hand to take the inaugural oath as president, his chances of becoming president will still be hopeless.
There is no hope. We’re all doomed. Doomed. Doomed! Doomed!! Doomed!!!
Don’t you realize that?
The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016
@mclaren: Kubler Ross First Stage is a helluva drug.
rikyrah
I am tired, but can’t get to sleep ?.
Sigh
rikyrah
You know how they suggest new movies to you based upon previous viewing on Netflix?
Tonight, I got Shark Avalanche …..
I guess if one can watch Sharknado…then Shark Avalanche makes all kinds of sense?
Kropadope
@Bess:
82% in AK and 72 in WA. Tonight is a good step on that course.
ETA: @mclaren: Jesus Christ on a stick.
dogwood
I’ve accomplished almost nothing today. My older brother passed in mid -January and yesterday I finished the tasks of closing accounts, rounding up his money, opening an estate account, finalizing his taxes, spending hours on hold, and putting his house on the market. Probate won’t end for another couple of months, but my list of responsibilities are now manageable. Make a will, and allow someone to be on your accounts. Faxing 14 pages of court documents every time you try to settle up an account is annoying. My brother didn’t keep his financial eggs in one basket, which is fine. Problem was, he kept his chickens on 9 or 10 farms.
Bess
@Kropadope:
Bernie has done very well in states with caucuses. His supporters seem to turn out in number.
Bernie has done less well in states that use voting. What’s the caucus/ballot ratio from here on?
Amir Khalid
@Kropadope:
Bernie remains well and truly behind the eight-ball in the delegate race. He needs to start putting together a streak of big wins in Hillary’s stronger states as the final whistle approaches with her still holding a big lead.
Ruckus
@dogwood:
Sorry about your brother. I had to do this with both parents.
But it sounded easier than for you as they both used up all their funds, both requiring extensive/expensive living/health arrangements. They both also did take some steps to make the job easier, wills/PoA/health directives.
What do you do when you have no one left to clean up after you?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Bess: Sanders has won 5 primaries and lost 17 (22%).
That’s not good.
Sanders has won 9 caucuses and lost 2 (82%).
That’s good.
Here’s the hard part: there are 17 states left, only 1 is a caucus.
And that’s why Sanders has come to the end of the line – he’s run out of caucus states.
dogwood
@Bess:
Bernie has faired pretty identically to Obama in the caucus states. Problem is he couldn’t compete in the southern states at Obama’s level. Most of the upcoming contests are primaries.
dogwood
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
It’s not simply about caucus vs primary. It really boils down to failing to reach minority voters.
Ruckus
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
And you forgot that all of the dem caucuses/(and I believe primaries) are proportional so of the ones he won he didn’t get all the delegates. Of course neither did Clinton but she has won the majority overall by quite a bit and so going forward things don’t look all that good for him.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
Hey, anyone want to do book reviews? I’ll be happy to send a free ebook of Becoming Phoebe to anyone on this blog who promises that they’ll read it and, if they like it, write a review on Amazon and Goodreads.
Lil' Chocolate Bronut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psFQMKcsIF8
Origuy
@mclaren: Quicken Loans does home mortgages, I have one myself. They don’t do payday loans.
Lil' Chocolate Bronut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3D7xplBYNY
Kropadope
@Bess: @Amir Khalid: Perhaps a few consecutive wins could create a snowball effect. I like his odds in Wisconsin and Wyoming. New York will likely be tough.
Eta: The schedule I found didn’t say whether these states were caucus or primary. This is not the hour for invested research, however. In fact, I will bid you all a good night.
Arclite
Things are a bit of a cluster out here.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Obama won 13 caucuses and lost 0.
Obama won 18 primaries and lost 17.
2 states were disqualified for moving their contest dates without permission.
dogwood
@Ruckus:
I have no idea what happens to people who leave no one. I suppose the court appoints an administrator and bills go unpaid if there’s no money. My sister and I are lucky that paying bills isn’t a problem. We were able to hire people to professionally clean and do some painting, along with hiring out yard work. Conversely we had to borrow money to pay for our parents’ funerals. I’ve learned a lot from this process. Get a good medical supplement if at all possible. I’ve been shocked to see that despite the fact that he was in and out of the hospital and rehab home several times in the last 6 months of his life, his medical bill responsibility appears to be less than $1,000.
amk
@Arclite:
clinton’s caucus curse continues.
Villago Delenda Est
@Comrade Luke: The problem for Bern is that they’re caucus states. Ron Paul “utterly destroyed” in caucus states, too, and his Presidency is proof of how great that sort of power is.
Ruckus
@dogwood:
I’m in the VA system so medically I’m good to go. Not necessarily optimum but pretty good. The big issue is who cleans up after me for no matter how tiny you manage to live there is still accounts to close and bills to pay, notify SS, etc. An interesting development.
Kropadope
@amk:
You know what I think it might be? Why I live in a heavily blue state that Hillary Clinton won but have encountered no more public advocacy for her than a single t-shirt and two or three bumper stickers? And yay, Hawaii.
Democrats seem mostly publicly quiet about their political views. I seldom have strangers approaching me extolling the values of lefty politics. I doubt for the most part that this is shame so much as a sense of decorum. Why torment poor people just trying to do their jobs with your views while you have them as a captive audience? My left-oriented friends and family love Bernie. While none have ruled out voting for Hillary in the general, save for my sister, none have expressed any particular fondness for her.
Republicans, and I expect anyone who works in retail and likely many other environments would know this, love discussing their political views with anyone and everyone. The mythos of the white man’s plight and other Confederate-inspired folklore were an oral tradition long before it naturally dominated radio.
Yet, millions still show up to vote for Hillary. Is this the new silent majority? (the very vocal BJ commentariat notwithstanding)
Eta: I know I lied before but I had been stewing on this one for a while and it came pouring out. Really to bed right now. Take care, folk.
Villago Delenda Est
@Arclite: No. They love their fuckin’ guns more than their own lives.
Amir Khalid
@Kropadope:
And perhaps nobody’s support is collapsing and nobody’s is starting to climb, since Democrats seem to have largely made up their minds whom they’re voting for. We shall see.
Lil' Chocolate Bronut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9hAS2uHG_I
Lil' Chocolate Bronut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK62tfoCmuQ
Lil' Chocolate Bronut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GztV3yWNJJw
Zinsky
@amk: @Amir Khalid: I think this is a liberal ratfuck. Ari Rabin-Havt on The Agenda, Sirius XM channel 127 has been talking about this all week. He also noted that when the right-wingers held their most recent CPAC meeting, guns were not allowed. Why the hypocrisy? Let the bloodthirsty bastards reap what they have sown…
Shaun Appleby
@dogwood: I’m sorry you lost your brother. Putting his estate to rights is both noble and normal, a human day well spent. Best of luck to you.
Applejinx
@Ruckus: Depends how you mean. If you consider his campaign as a method for bringing a set of oft-repeated lefty issues to the table, and given that he has been hammering away incessantly about those issues this entire time, I would say ‘almost damn winning against the Democratic Party while only just barely being one’ is doing astonishingly well.
I don’t know if Bernie can win the whole thing. I do know he can be elected and beat the CRAP out of Trump, if that’s what we’re doing. I don’t know if the Dem establishment will collude with the Republicans to screw him over, though I’m worried that’s how big of bastards they really are (same with a Trump victory: you think he’d get cooperation?)
However, one thing I am absolutely certain of is this: Bernie’s candidacy documents the real Democratic party, and the concerns of a massive number of real Americans. That is not to say it doesn’t fail to represent other concerns, such as racism (which isn’t really a black issue as it isn’t black citizen’s responsibility to singlehandedly fix). However, if you go for fixing racism and sexism while allowing the country to totally collapse at the next stock market bailout, that’s a pretty crappy way to improve the world.
Hillary had better start backpedaling on her hawkishness, or we’re gonna see the cover of Newsweek (if that’s still a thing: did it die, like so many other things?) with a picture of smirking Hillary, feathers and an elephant trunk sticking out of her mouth. And the caption will be, ‘How Hillary Clinton Ate Both The Democratic And Republican Parties’. And the article will be a jeremiad of how she’s gone to war and bailed the bankers and presided over the devastation of America, to a Hoover-like extent.
You might wish Trump won, so he could be blamed for what’s coming. He’d make an awesome scapegoat, and Bernie would make for a great hippie to punch, but if Hillary wins and doesn’t govern like she was Mini-Bernie, there will be trouble. I mean, there’s already gonna be trouble but take Hillary’s ability to make unforced errors and look for narrow personal advantage, add Bill as First Dude, and they’ll seriously wreck everything. I don’t get how people think these people (or the Democratic Party) work to do needed stuff. The anti-Gore movement didn’t come out of nowhere for no reason, and his climate change work is valued but rather a change of subject from what he was looking to be as a President.
You can’t properly understand what’s happened to America without class consciousness, and you can’t practically do a bloody damn thing about it without getting VERY liberal. I embrace how Hillary’s embracing racial and gender justice, I get that she’s long been interested in health care, but she’s an oligarch and that’s a big problem. She has to get populist and mean it, and the only way she’s surviving against Bernie is by turning to the incredibly rich and powerful for help. And there’s a quid pro quo.
Another Holocene Human
@JGabriel: No kidding. How could it be, by the Gods of Comedy, that no Democrats whatsoever rodent copulated this
online pollpetition? Hell, I’d assume a goat-faced Donkey troll set the thing up!phoebes from highland park
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: The problem with what you’re asking is that if they DON’T like your book, they also have the right to review your book. I’m a top 200 reviewer at Amazon and I know they highly frown on solicited reviews.
Another Holocene Human
@Applejinx:
Yes, a real Democratic Party made of real people who have built relationships over time. A real Democratic Party committed to and cognizant of the necessity of winning down-ticket races, pace St Bernie of the Emoprogs. A Democratic Party that is a big tent and can hold onto more than two thoughts at once: income inequality AND women’s reproductive freedom AND Black Lives Matter AND civil rights for sexual minorities.
Oh dear. Is our slip showing?
debbie
There would be no better way for the GOP to bow out of the political arena than an OK Corral-type convention.
trnc
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. The states get their authority from the constitution, and the first 10 amendments are known as the Bill of Rights. If you’re saying this because the actual text says “powers”, does that mean the 5th amendment doesn’t give us the right not to incriminate ourselves or a right to due process (since the word “right” isn’t in that text)?
I’m not a lawyer, so perhaps there is some legalese here to which you are referring.
Chyron HR
@Applejinx:
Namely people who are too young to have ever voted for a Democrat before and refuse to vote for any Democrat but Sanders going forward.
amk
@Applejinx:
Other than the same old tiresome “angry” talking point, you got nothing?
Grung_e_Gene
Every Republican parrots the line that gun-free zones (i.e. Schools) are enticements to mass murder but, gun humping fanatics have a built-in cheat; they make allowances for venues which have armed security, police prescene and in this case Secret Service protection. Thus, they will shrug off the charge of hypocrisy and continue to push their crazy unrestricted gun warfare and guns everywhere zealotry.
Uncle Cosmo
@jl: Ayup, 1-4-D-H-S.
Peter
@Applejinx: Jesus wept, mclaren isn’t the most mentally-ill person in the room for once.
Dmbeaster
@RaflW: Even if it was first intended as satire, it sold itself to the nut-jobs as gospel truth. Kind of like how they fall for The Onion as truth.
Soylent Green
@Applejinx: Ah, yes, the real Democratic Party. The one in which only the most leftward views and goals have standing. Just as the real Republican Party as conceived by the folks over at Redstate belongs only to its Christian dominionists (the only true conservatives).
Got news for you, bucko. The real Democratic Party is primarily center-left. Most of its followers are not strenuously anti-corporate or anti-war. They are liberals and moderates who are not looking for a sea change. They have been comfortable with Obama’s center-left positioning and see Clinton as a continuation of same.
I’d like to see the Overton window moved back to where it was, but gradually. Push too hard and you get kickback, leading to the other side reclaiming power.
Applejinx
There is no center now, only the illusion of one put across by lying and paid-for media mouthpieces.
What you see with Bernie IS a sudden pushing of the Overton window.
Applejinx
@Chyron HR: In practical terms, what other choice do they have? They’re not going to ‘get money out of politics’ by electing Trump or something. With or without Bernie, they have no choice but to vote Dem (and this contributes to depressed turnout).
They can only turn out for the Democrat, whoever it is, or not turn out at all (which could be done actively or passively, by not showing up or by writing in ‘that fucking sparrow’ for President or some such colorful gesture).
I think you have real documentation of the voting bloc that could make for a solid coalition delivering a real thumping to Trump in the polls… or, be so contemptuous that the same people think you’re the real enemy, if such things please you. Knock yourself out, go on.
Adam L Silverman
@trnc: I’m not pulling legalese. The Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination is an enumerated right for individuals. State’s can’t invoke the Fifth Amendment. Have you ever seen a state indicted and tried for murder? States, whether the Federal state of the United States, or the individual states that it is made up of, have powers. Powers to tax and spend, regulate and deregulate. I hope that clears that up for you.
maya
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a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@trnc: To follow up Adam’s explanation:
People* have rights; governmental bodies have powers. Is that helpful?
*And corporations in some instances, according to the current US Supreme Court when Scalia was alive. Don’t get me started…
karen marie
@JGabriel: I have “junk” email accounts for stuff like this.
eyelessgame
I think it’s not quite fair to say they “fell for it.” I think this is a legitimately bipartisan enterprise. Both liberals and conservatives appear honestly to want there to be open carry at the Republican convention.
The Other Chuck
@Major Major Major Major:
Anyone who slogged through Infinite Jest would have preferred footnotes, I’ll say that much.
Fred
@JGabriel: The approach to the Wingularity* is a relative thing. We as outside observers see it as a never ending progression but from the point of view of the one approaching the trip is quite rapid.
I love Wingularity. Thank you JGabriel
AnotherBruce
@Applejinx:
“she’s surviving against Bernie is by turning to the incredibly rich and powerful for help.”
I didn’t know that African Americans, Asians and Latinos were the rich and powerful. But they have been very helpful to Hillary.
Gian
the gun nuttery is well just insanity
they want things like guns at sports stadiums, and they love them high capacity magazines.
Superbowl tickets, uzis and body count anyone?
(leaving out the general carnage at a September red sox Yankees game if they are both in the race) I mean really, drunk angry people packing heat, WTF could go wrong)