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You are here: Home / Open Threads / The Stakes We Are Gambling Are Terribly Frighteningly High

The Stakes We Are Gambling Are Terribly Frighteningly High

by TaMara|  March 26, 20167:08 pm| 407 Comments

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A little musical interlude from your weekend DJ.  In honor of the Easter weekend – one of my favorite musicals. This song was added in the revival.

And of course, the musical I probably won’t be lucky enough to see, but the album is on my list to listen to, I just haven’t had the time I would like to focus on it. I guess that 16 hours on the road last week would have been an opportunity…hindsight, sigh. This is from the White House appearance (music starts at about 9:00 if somehow Barack being funny bores you):

I forgot this morning to share what my little niece says every time she hears Trump speak. She gives that big sigh only a nine year can and says, “why doesn’t he shut up. He is SOOOOO stupid.” No prompting from us. When you’ve lost the nine years olds…

Open thread.

EDIT post title because poopyman was correct.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    She gives that big sigh only a nine year can and says, “why doesn’t he shut up. He is SOOOOO stupid.”

    Liberal elitist.

    ETA: Probably drives a Volvo

  2. 2.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    I come from a strange family, so I sincerely ask if Easter is a big deal for anyone?

    It’s like a giant nothingburger in mine except for some going through the motions hiding chocolate for kids. Otherwise, no one cares. But we’re an incredibly atheistic family, and I’m sure that’s part of it.

  3. 3.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @Baud: No doubt has a totebag.

  4. 4.

    Brachiator

    March 26, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    “You’ll be Back,” sung by King George III in “Hamilton” has echoes of Herod’s song in “Jesus Christ, Superstar.” Check out the notes.

  5. 5.

    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    It’s just that as a nine yr old she better understands tRump’s six yr old maturity.
    That she is far more mature than he is a nice bonus.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    These are weird. Not bad weird, more like “um, o-o-o-kay” weird.

  7. 7.

    Brachiator

    March 26, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    Also, Hamilton Trump mashup.

    You know the Internets had to do it.

  8. 8.

    daryljfontaine

    March 26, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    Your help in this matter won’t go unrewarded
    We’ll pay you in silver, cash on the nail

    D

  9. 9.

    Yutsano

    March 26, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @NotMax: Eh. I’d try them once.

    Did a minor job search today but nothing promising yet unless I want to move to Rhode Island.

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    Repeating from far down in thread below because this Open Thread went live at the same time as I hit Publish.

    Meanwhile, in the land of borscht and vodka, From Russia with love: Why the Kremlin backs Trump.

    Pro-Kremlin bloggers, corralled by a Putin supporter who used to represent the ruling party in parliament, are enthused by the prospect of agitating on behalf of Trump.

    “Trump is the first member of the American elite in 20 years who compliments Russia. Trump will smash America as we know it, we’ve got nothing to lose,” Konstantin Rykov told his followers on social media.

  11. 11.

    Percysowner

    March 26, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @redshirt:

    I come from a strange family, so I sincerely ask if Easter is a big deal for anyone?

    Not in my family, but I was raised Unitarian and Jesus wasn’t that big a deal. My son-in-law’s family are devout Catholics, so I suspect it is a big deal for them. He and my daughter will celebrate with them. My daughter is an atheist, so it can get interesting for her. She’s been told that her in-laws pray every night that she will turn to God, but so far, no luck. Considering we sent her to a Catholic school, because it was a really excellent school, so she got religion classes and had to go to Mass all the time, I don’t think she will ever convert.

  12. 12.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @Yutsano: Rhode Island is better than Oklahoma!

  13. 13.

    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Brachiator: Prove to me that you’re no fool
    Walk across my swimming pool!

  14. 14.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @Percysowner: I respect that Easter is an obvious Spring holiday, just like Christmas is a Winter holiday. But on the one hand, not many people seem to care about Easter, and yet, the grocery stores are closed.

    Is there a War on Easter?

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    March 26, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    I love Hamilton.

    I’m even getting Peanut into it. One song at a time. It’s her first musical :)

  16. 16.

    rikyrah

    March 26, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @redshirt:

    I come from a strange family, so I sincerely ask if Easter is a big deal for anyone?

    Well, I come from a Christian family…and pretty much the entire reason for the religion IS Easter…so, yeah, it was a huge deal when I was growing up.

  17. 17.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Tens of thousands of people have signed a petition calling for Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland to allow guns at the Republican National Convention — all in the name of safety.

    The Change.org petition, which had more than 26,000 supporters as of Saturday evening, claims that the arena’s weapon ban makes those who attend the RNC in July “sitting ducks, utterly helpless against evil-doers and criminals.”

    It’s addressed to Republican candidates like Donald Trump, who’s quoted as promising to eliminate gun-free zones in schools should he be elected.

    “Cleveland, Ohio is consistently ranked as one of the top ten most dangerous cities in America,” the petition states. “By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site.”

    Fuck yes, one firecracker and BOOM!

  18. 18.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    March 26, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @redshirt: I’m not Christian but Easter is nothing but Christmas was a much bigger non commercial deal when I was growing up. I also think all holidays are a big deal nowadays because people in general work so hard and take off such little time.

  19. 19.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @redshirt

    and yet, the grocery stores are closed.

    Where do you shop? Vatican City?

    ;)

    None closed here, fer sure.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @raven: Someone gonna die.

  21. 21.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @Baud: Xin Loi!

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    Sigh. Moderation. Again. No bad words either.

    Site performance is deteriorating before the eyes.

  23. 23.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 26, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @redshirt: Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter morning are pretty big religious moments for serious church goers. It’s probably a more solemn holiday, thus for secular not such a big deal.

    The story has much more drama than say the Christmas story – betrayal, forgiveness, love, questioning of faith, death and rebirth. So hard to put into a greeting card or buy gifts for – LOL.

    So for most it’s low key with scary Easter Bunnies, egg hunts and ham.

    Me, I’ll be hiking with the dog.

  24. 24.

    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    TriBeCa just pulled the anti-vaxxer film. jezebel.com/tribeca-film-festival-robert-de-niro-announce-theyre-p-1767288170

  25. 25.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): I got my bride a nice doggie themed easter card. I’d buy her flowers but it seems pretty stupid because the place is covered with them!

  26. 26.

    sukabi

    March 26, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @raven: one cellphone a good bluetooth speaker and some sound effects played at appropriate levels and they’d be cleaning sh!t off the ceiling for months.

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    March 26, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    SATURDAY, MAR 26, 2016 06:00 AM CDT
    This crisis is bigger than Arizona: Behold the travesty that is Wisconsin’s new voter ID law
    Friday will mark the first major election voters are required to present pre-approved identification. It gets worse

    SARAH SMITH, PROPUBLICA

    On April 5, when voters cast ballots in Wisconsin’s Republican and Democratic primaries, the state’s controversial voter ID bill will face its biggest test since Governor Scott Walker signed it into law in 2011. For the first time in a major election, citizens will be required to show approved forms of identification in order to vote. The law mandates that the state run a public-service campaign “in conjunction with the first regularly scheduled primary and election” to educate voters on what forms of ID are acceptable.

    But Wisconsin has failed to appropriate funds for the public education campaign. The result is that thousands of citizens may be turned away from the polls simply because they did not understand what form of identification they needed to vote.

    Wisconsin’s failure to fund these public-service ads comes after a clash between the Government Accountability Board, the nonpartisan agency responsible for producing voter education materials, and the Republican-controlled legislature. In October, the agency met with Republican State Senator Mary Lazich, who was a primary sponsor of the voter ID bill in 2011, to inquire after funding and received a tepid response.

    The board told Lazich that it would need $300,000 to $500,000 from the state legislature to broadcast advertisements. The legislature had twice appropriated money for public information campaigns during the 2012 and 2014 election cycles, but the ads barely hit the airwaves before court injunctions delayed the law from going into effect.

  28. 28.

    Eric S.

    March 26, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @redshirt: It’s one of 3 or 4 holidays the extended family gets together. For some of the more religious it has some meaning. For me is just a chance to see family I don’t the rest of the year.

  29. 29.

    eemom

    March 26, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @Baud:

    Hopefully everyone in attendance. If the Second Amendment could rid us of the entire republican party, I’m a believer.

  30. 30.

    Rex

    March 26, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    Could We Start Again Please is in the original JCS.

    youtube.com/watch?v=oqvXquqTwoU

  31. 31.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 26, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    My in-laws start partying right after breakfast on Easter, and by dark the damage is starting to pile up. IOW, just a normal Sunday.
    I’ll be at home by myself, as I prefer. I need a day to get my mood/attitude/temper under control after a horrible couple of weeks at work. And I need to pack and prep to roll out for work early Monday morning.

    It’s pretty springlike around here. Grass is greening up and the lilies are getting serious about growing. This is most welcome.

  32. 32.

    eemom

    March 26, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    fwiw, which I probably say every year at this time, it’s not Easter for Orthodox Christians until May 1.

  33. 33.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 26, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    I went to a Catholic school and had many Catholic friends, so I got lots of goodies to eat but didn’t have to go to mass since I was not Catholic myself. So it was all good! Plus, Good Friday was a holiday, so we got a long weekend.

  34. 34.

    p.a.

    March 26, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @Yutsano: Jeet?

  35. 35.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @raven: I read the Free Republic thread on this subject because I like pain and unpredictably, the group consensus was: 1. Delegates should be able to open carry. It’s in the 2nd Amendment, right? and 2. Any trouble that might arise because of open carry at the convention would obviously be the work of DemocRAT saboteurs.

  36. 36.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    OT, of course, butter lamb pictures coming soon. Perhaps I should get an actual life.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    But then we’d miss you.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @eemom

    How dare they usurp Lei Day?

  39. 39.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @eemom: I’ve come to accept that the REAL Christian state church is Orthodox, since they were aligned with the still living Roman Empire for almost another 1000 years after the fall of Rome, proper.

  40. 40.

    Elmo

    March 26, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    Hosanna Superstar!

  41. 41.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @efgoldman: Not sure about that. You can mostly breathe at least in Oklahoma. Not so much on Jupiter.

  42. 42.

    eclare

    March 26, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    Jealous of all of you for whom Easter is not a big family deal. I get to attend RWNJ Horror Dinner Theater tomorrow. Myself, atheist. Which I keep to myself as they are all armed.

  43. 43.

    jon

    March 26, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @redshirt: I can’t hum a single song from Rhode Island.

    But as musicals based on Biblical events go, this is the best one. Accept no substitutes.

  44. 44.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    Last night I had dinner with a young (early 20s) Canadian friend who’s in town for a few days. During the course of a wide-ranging conversation I asked him what he thought of “Hamilton.” He said he didn’t know Hamilton that well but had heard good things about it. He then began talking about driving around Toronto and its suburbs. It was a full minute before I realized that he thought I had asked him about Hamilton, Ontario. Talk about a conversation at cross-purposes!

    (And, oddly for someone that age, he knew absolutely nothing about the musical! I was amazed!)

  45. 45.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    Addressing efgoldman, a little above –

    Comments without reply links are acting as per normal. Those composed with reply link(s) included are increasingly getting hung up for me today.

    May be a precursor of site crashy crashy time tomorrow, as has occurred in the past after same symptoms evidenced.

  46. 46.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @eclare: Pity. Enjoy the ham and run an interior mocking monologue.

    It’s pretty great to be raised atheist.

  47. 47.

    patrick II

    March 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    Your niece is not alone. Kids react to Donald Trump

  48. 48.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @eemom:

    So I have to wait until ten days after Passover to greet you with “Christos anesti”?

  49. 49.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Hate watching the Ten Commandments like I do most every year – can anyone explain to me why this is on every Easter? I love the Cecil B. DeMille over the top staging, and Edward G. Robinson asking “where’s your Moses now?” and John Derek as a slave. LOL. Everyone is so white.

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Passover. I completely forgot about Passover! That’s why it’s on.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Christos anesti

    Christ has left the nest?

  51. 51.

    Eric S.

    March 26, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    For reasons I can’t explain I’ve agreed to run with my brother and his training group tomorrow. I’m getting up at 6:30 to drive to his place and then put 9 miles on my shoes. (I’m training for a half marathon on 5/1.) Is going to be a long Sunday.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: I used to love that movie when I was younger. It is epic.

  53. 53.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 26, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @Rex: It was written for the film but not included in the musical productions until the nineties, I think. I thought it was 2000 when I saw it, but time plays tricks and I’m guessing I saw the 1998 revival and it was in that production they included it and changed up a lot of the other numbers to freshen it up.

  54. 54.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @Baud: I love the SNL/Simpsons parody.

    “Yeah, see, where’s your Messiah now, see, right?”

  55. 55.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Easter was always low key at Chez Cisco; this one will be even moreso.
    And, come Saturday, what would have been our 29th anniversary.

  56. 56.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Baud:

    I saw it at the movie as a little kid, with an intermission because the thing is like 5 hours long. (spoiler alert) The parting of the Red Sea with the chariots drowning was a mind blowing movie event that I’ve never forgotten.

    Also, (spoiler alert) the earth opening up to swallow the revelers melting the gold for the golden calf was so cheesy and great.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Ben Cisco: You got family to hang out with?

  58. 58.

    Brachiator

    March 26, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    10 Things I Hate About Commandments

  59. 59.

    Elmo

    March 26, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Sending a virtual hug and all my warmest wishes your way. I can’t imagine.

  60. 60.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Your equanimity slightly disturbs me.

  61. 61.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @NotMax:

    Comments without reply links are acting as per normal. Those composed with reply link(s) included are increasingly getting hung up for me today.

    Too many links? The reply link counts as one, and you only get three. Or is it three and you’re out? I forget.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @redshirt: I’ll save you having to go to the gun sites. The synopsis is:

    WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!

    And:

    If you have to ask permission to do something, then its not a right, its a privilege!

  63. 63.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: The filming of (spoiler alert) the Israelites leaving Egypt was so amazing. Today, all the people would be drawn on computer.

  64. 64.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 26, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    All better now. Classical Music Broadcast plays the fantastic Cliburn/Reiner recording of Beethoven’s Emperor Concerto every Saturday, possibly because I always ask them to.
    I was all cranky, because reasons, but it’s impossible to be unhappy after the Emperor Concerto. I love all humanity now and the world is beautiful.

  65. 65.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    I wish I could pick you up and take you out for a pizza and a beer, and bring you home with me for the next 3 hours of hate watching the Ten Commandments.

  66. 66.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Addressing Mike J, above –

    It’s three total, including a reply link.

    Well aware of that. Was mentioning it in the hope that someone who can will give Alain a heads-up to pop by tomorrow to check.

    No links other than a single reply one in the comments going askew in the aether.

  67. 67.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 26, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @Ben Cisco: [[[hugs]]]

  68. 68.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    Eat, drink, and laugh, friends. For tomorrow, we die.

  69. 69.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: If there’s one thing that MIGHT change the gun conversation in America, it’s the RNC getting shot up by open carry Republicans.

    But even then, as I’ve already read, they’d blame Liberals.

  70. 70.

    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): It’s definitely not on the 1970 concept album, which is what I’m listening to now. My neighbors probably hate you.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @NotMax:

    Odd. I’m not having any such problems.

  72. 72.

    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @redshirt: Look at all my trials and tribulations
    Sinking in a gentle pool of wine
    Don’t disturb me now–I can see the answers
    To this evening is this morning life is fine.

  73. 73.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I believe that there are people who believe this is a documentary – the same people who go to Epcot or Las Vegas and think they’ve been to Europe.

  74. 74.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @NotMax: I’ll let him know. I haven’t seen any of your comments in moderation over the past three hours or so. So where they’re going, I have no idea.

    Given that its a holiday weekend, I wouldn’t expect him to get to it before Monday.

  75. 75.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @redshirt:

    you forgot the *AAACK!

  76. 76.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @redshirt: It wouldn’t change anything. The absolutist position on the 2nd Amendment is now closer to theology and dogma than ideology.

  77. 77.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: It’s implied. Or a really clean head shot.

    Either way, salud!

  78. 78.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Gallup Poll — March 26 — President Obama Ratings

    Approve………..53%
    Disapprove…..44%

    But, but…. baseball game! But, but….. Tango! But, but…… Brussels!

    ***

    Gallup Poll — April 6, 2008 — President Bush Ratings

    Approve………..28%
    Disapprove…..67%

    But, but… a nice guy you’d like to have a beer with! But, but…… he kept us safe!

  79. 79.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Heh. Raw vote totals from Alaska (55% of precincts reported):

    Sanders – 316 votes
    Clinton – 83 votes

  80. 80.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 26, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Darkrose: I listen to it every year. I still cry. Damn you Andrew Lloyd Webber.

  81. 81.

    debbie

    March 26, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @raven:

    Signed by delegates or those who would rather be rid of them?

  82. 82.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @NotMax: Holy cow. You’re kidding, right? My high school senior class pesident got more votes.

  83. 83.

    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @redshirt: Not to be crude, but if 20 dead 2d graders didn’t change the gun conversation in this nation, nothing ever will.

  84. 84.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I haven’t seen any of your comments in moderation over the past three hours or so. So where they’re going, I have no idea.

    There are super secret words that won’t throw you into moderation, they will cause the comment to disappear altogether. For instance, there was a troll here with an avuncular nickname based on a supreme court justice. At one point, just using him name would make your comment go * poof *.

  85. 85.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Only because wingnuts are now nearly incapable of self analyzing. Any failure is because of external reasons. The RNC getting shot up with an open carry allowance would be justified in whatever manner necessary to allow for gun and ammo sales to proceed apace.

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @Baud

    Not kidding. Those are the actual numbers.

  87. 87.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @Mike J: I’m sure. I don’t have the codex, but I’m sure nonetheless.

  88. 88.

    opiejeanne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Aw man, I’m so sorry. I hope a friend invites you over.

    If you’re in Seattle, we’d love to have you.

  89. 89.

    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Adam, if you’re around, could you check moderation again right now? Replied to Baud and it went poof.

  90. 90.

    Shana

    March 26, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Passover doesn’t start until April 22nd.

  91. 91.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @redshirt: On this issue it is certainly a very different understanding of American history – political, constitutional, juridicial, and social.

  92. 92.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @efgoldman: Nope, you made it without a hiccup.

  93. 93.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @NotMax:

    I generally don’t like superdelegates, but if so few people are involved on selecting our nominee, maybe the superdelegates have their place.

    (Still hope they are not a factor this year.)

  94. 94.

    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @NotMax:

    Having experienced my first one today (WA), I can say IMO that caucuses are a joke.

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    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @NotMax: I just cleared it for you. As long as I’m on the site and commenting, I’m actively checking and clearing the sin bin.

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    Smiling Mortician

    March 26, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @eclare: Holy shit. Can’t you skip it?

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @LAO: Sorry to be harsh here, but I wade into their cesspool all the time, and stayed there for some time after Newtown, because I was fascinated how they’d justify it. It became either a liberal hoax, or the result of single parent (women) households, or, of course, that the people in the school didn’t have guns to respond. None of this is acceptable, but it fits into their mental models.

    The Republican National Convention getting shot up from within because it’s an open carry event MIGHT – I emphasize the word “might” – break their mental conditioning. Republicans shooting other Republicans is not part of their mental matrix, and so it would certainly rattle some mental cages.

    But no doubt they’d come up with a way to blame the Other soon enough and disavow all responsibility, since that’s what they do.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @NotMax:

    Caucuses in all white states are not the Democratic Party. Sanders said that the voters in the Democratic Party primaries from the Southern State are more conservative. He has no fucking clue about politics, and his problem with people of color. Dismissive of them, actually. He can’t just be the president of young whites.

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    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    They are legion. Sherlock Holmes’ doctor partner’s surname is one. Also too, Jeb’s superPAC name.

  100. 100.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @efgoldman: Anyone upon whom the banhammer has descended, I believe.

    Someone should hardcore troll with the name “the”. BTW, fuck Apple for making it impossible to search iTunes for a band Johnny Marr was in.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @redshirt: The argument would be the initial shooters/instigators weren’t Republicans. They were an outside plant. Or Muslims. Or it was IS.

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    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @Ben Cisco:
    Sorry man.

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @Cacti:

    I’m getting to the point where I might support the Dems becoming a dues paying party if the money can be used to do primaries right.

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    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @efgoldman: especially when it’s going up against March Madness

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    opiejeanne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @efgoldman: Isn’t this a caucus? We had 37 show up today in my little precinct and the precinct only has 4 votes (delegates) total. Today we split them, 2+2. My husband and I are the two Hillary delegates.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: On Free Republic they’re already blaming liberal agitators for any violence that MIGHT occur with an open carry convention.

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Maybe Obama himself.

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    Elie

    March 26, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Today is uncommonly good — for a change. Its been a true nightmare at times where trying to comment was just almost impossible — comments would disappear or I would actually have a hard time typing them in…

  109. 109.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @redshirt: Of course.

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    opiejeanne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @Cacti: They are. We have several friends who have moved here from California and all of them are yelling about Washington needing to switch to a primary. Think of all of the people who could not caucus for various reasons today, and who would have had a voice if it had been a plain old primary vote.

    Oh, and the number of delegates your precinct is entitled to is based on how many people showed up at the previous caucus. (I don’t know how the numbers work, but probably not 1 person =1 delegate).

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    eclare

    March 26, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: Nope. Weird thing is that the older folks are ok, it’s my cousins who have lost their minds.

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    March 26, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Hey, did you get my restaurant recs from this mornings thread?

  113. 113.

    gogol's wife

    March 26, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    ‘specially the slow movement

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I love Free Republic in a sick, twisted way. They actively ban anyone who speaks against the current hivespeak so of course by now everyone is quite trained. But there’s this one guy who’s trying to ever so subtly suggest that maybe the idea of having so many people with guns in a high tension environment might be a bad idea… and yet, he couldn’t even finish his thought without blaming outside agitators.

    It’s like reading Politburo chat boards.

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    gogol's wife

    March 26, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    How can you hate a movie in which Anne Baxter says to Charlton Heston, “Oh Moses, Moses!”

    And where’s lamh? She drools over Yul.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @Baud:

    Christ has left the nest?

    Rolled back the egg.

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    gogol's wife

    March 26, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @Darkrose:

    I just listened to it. It’s great. I love Jesus as a heavy-metal screamer. I had forgotten how great it was, since I haven’t listened to it since virtually the year it came out. “Hosanna, Heysanna, sanna sanna Ho”

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @redshirt: I don’t think you are being harsh. I don’t give a sh*t about those fckers, they will never change their minds because of …freedom. Whatever that means.

    The majority of Americans favor gun control. Our political system has been hijacked by the a vocal and insane minority. My point was small and simple. If an elementary school massacre was not sufficient to create the political will to address the problems of gun violence in this nation then nothing will.

    I still give my money to the cause but it is fruitless and hopeless. And I may joke about the sovereign citizen problem and the right wing loons on this site but they are a real problem in this country. I have given up any hope that it will change.

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    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @redshirt: Everyone has their guilty pleasures.

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    JanieM

    March 26, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes, but there’s a magical ability that tells them who the bad guys are, so there can never be random chaotic shooting. After the initial provocateurs start firing, only they will get shot in return by the righteous.

    ETA: See here, for instance.

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    Smiling Mortician

    March 26, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @eclare: I can relate. But I skip that stuff now, for the most part. Strength!

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    gogol's wife

    March 26, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    Thanks for front-paging the Hamilton numbers. I guess we fans are getting on people’s nerves. But it is a truly great work of art. I’ll shut up now.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    And, come Saturday, what would have been our 29th anniversary.

    It’s bound to be a poignant day for you. Others have likely mentioned, and I expect you know it anyway, that the first anything after a loss such as you’ve had is exquisitely painful. The first of what would have been wedding anniversaries. Birthdays. Every possible holiday and private commemoration. You don’t forget, exactly, after that first year has passed, but you’ll have gone through the emotional shockwaves and it does tend to get easier. Thinking of you.

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    eclare

    March 26, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: Thanksgiving this year is going to be interesting, after the election!

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @LAO: No no, your outrage IS important. We all need to feel this outrage, and do something about it! Because as you say, we’re being held hostage by a very small, committed minority, and they are causing deaths to pile up month after month.

    We need MORE outrage. We need to be extreme in the pursuit of what’s right.

    But as long as the Republican party has any influence in this country, the deaths will mount.

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    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @gogol’s wife: I usually listen to it every year around this time, in the car on my way to work. But I forgot this year because I’m not working, so I’m glad TaMara reminded me.

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    Litlebritdifrnt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    I am busily laughing my ass of at the story out of Georgia I think where three dudes loaded up an old riding lawn mower with explosives and commenced shooting at it with a rifle. To no ones surprise dude doing the shooting got his leg blown off. There is actually video of guy saying “it blew my leg off”.

    mashable.com/2016/03/25/lawn-mower-explosives/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link#7s5i_VEfUGq4

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    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @JanieM: I’ve seen that before.

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    Elie

    March 26, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Sanders and his followers just cannot accept the reality of black people everyday and how that shapes our decisions and priorities. Yes, of course, economics play a role, but what I believe he can’t “grok” is the deep, shaping role of feral racism. He just cannot accept that even when you adjust out all other factors, race and racial hatred drive behavior to a degree that economic redress alone will not solve. Many black people are very wary of anyone who would lead them and not truly accept that because it blinds them and their ability to lead and protect black people’s priorities — number one, to stay alive and number two, to get our kids educated and some sort of jobs to survive the ongoing structural racism we encounter. He thinks if we just get the economics fair, the racism will go away or not be a factor. To do that, he had to ignore 8 years of experience with one of the most educated, erudite and smoothly confident Presidents evah — Obama. These folks figuratively spit on him for 8 years and he if no one, was one of the most “model” black men evah. And he was not poor either. He denies the evidence right in front of him to support his ideology. That fundamentally denies and pushes back on the experience of many blacks, including some of the most accomplished people in this country. Does he really think that the LA cop who stops and frisks the black man in the Ferrari is expecting anyone but a black thief? I tell ya, that bullshit just left me cold about him.

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    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @gogol’s wife

    Well, Hamilton hasn’t graduated to the FYWP verboten word list.

    Yet.

    :)

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!

    My response: WHAT PART OF WELL-REGULATED DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!

  132. 132.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Tanerite. There’s a huge group of folks that like to use exploding targets. My favorite parts of the story were the droll remarks by the local sheriff about the incident.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I ain’t guilty. I’m always worried though that reading that trash corrupts me.

    It’s a dialectic, as are all things: They get more extreme, we have to be more extreme in response, and so on.

  134. 134.

    eemom

    March 26, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Yul Brynner is sexy as hell, but Charlton Heston has to be the shittiest actor to also coincidentally have been a right wing fucktard. Watched Ben-Hur again the other night. OMG but he sucks.

    Thanks to all who commented re Orthodox Easter. The reason it’s on a different date from mainstream Christianity most years is that it always follows Passover. I believe that’s because of the theory that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder.

    Christos anestei means Christ is risen. It’s part of a song that everyone sings over and over again in the Greek Orthodox church in the service which begins at midnight on Easter, called Anastasei, which celebrates the resurrection. The church is dark and the priest comes out with a single lit candle whose light is then distributed to candles everyone is holding throughout the church, and then the singing begins. It’s pretty cool actually.

    ETA: And people greet each other with “Christos anestei” on Easter Sunday. The response is “aleithos anestei” which means “truly he’s risen.”

    All that being said, I’m not actually religious. But I was thrilled by that Easter midnight service when I was a little kid.

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    JanieM

    March 26, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: After all, everyone is safer if everyone is armed.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 26, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Where does the station originate? Is it the evolution of a former over-the-air station?

    Dunno, actually. No original broadcast station. I think it’s affiliated with Opera Music Broadcast and several sports talk online feeds. I send them $25 a couple of times a year. Worth it. I’ve bought a number of great recordings based on what I hear there.

  137. 137.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @NotMax: you managed to make it happen. Hip, Hip, Huzzah!

  138. 138.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    I guess we fans are getting on people’s nerves.

    Hammybros?

  139. 139.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    Lucille the butter lamb.

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt: not quite a Darwin Award winner, but close enough.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    One of my all-time favourite moments in all music is that half-tone key change between the Adagio and the Rondo finale (B major to B-flat). It’s magical every single time. And the Rondo theme itself is surely one of the most exuberant melodies ever penned by a human being.

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    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I am merely the messenger. In all honesty the absolutists’ argument is that that only applies to militia membership, not individual ownership. Regardless of what the Supreme Court has consistently ruled for almost 200 years. Even in Heller, Associate Justice Scalia made it very clear that reasonable regulation was still permitted at the local, state, and Federal levels as he was writing that there is an explicit, enumerated right for individuals to keep and bear arms. The absolutists argue that “shall not be infringed” is the controlling clause, not well regulated nor militia.

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): how much gin did it require?

    And you named it after my mother.

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    gogol's wife

    March 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @Mike J:

    Yeah, someone compared us to Berniebros the other day. I was a little hurt.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @Elie:

    Oh, yes, all of this. Circulating on twitter now is video of him dismissing HIS WIFE tonight as he’s speechifying about his win, as she leans in to tell him something. He’s doing his hand waving finger waving bullshit thing, and he pushes her away, and she leaves the stage. He’s a 74 year old cranky white guy who’s unable and unwilling to listen or learn, and is uncomfortable with people of color and women, and now it’s pretty fucking clear now how and where the Berniebros come from. He was nicer to the bird than his wife. That’s all I need to know about Saint Bernie of Whitest White Burlington Vermont.

  146. 146.

    Monala

    March 26, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    Sometimes I get so discouraged about our country, but then I listen to President Obama and get ‘re-inspired. I don’t know how he does it.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @raven: Is it wrong that I’m rooting for an armed convention in Cleveland?

  148. 148.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I limited requests to one a month (for the same piece or from the same people).

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    Patricia Kayden

    March 26, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: It’s one of my favorite movies because my family would cozy up and watch it together every Easter. Ditto Sound of Music.

    I assume it’s shown on Easter because it features the first Passover.

  150. 150.

    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    “Caucuses in all white states aren’t the Democratic Party”
    This is bullshit. Democrats of all races, creeds sexual orientation etc. have the right to weigh in on the democratic nominee no matter the racial make up of the state where they live. There a plenty of good white democrats in these states. They deserve respect from the party and the candidates.

  151. 151.

    Mnemosyne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    Good, the Hamilton pods we’re planting in everyone’s garages are working.

    I’m expecting Betty and geg6 to be running down the highway any day now, shouting, “Wake up!” at the passing cars, Kevin McCarthy-style.

  152. 152.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Hell no!

  153. 153.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @JanieM: I saw that when it happened. That was just nuts. At that point they should have realized they were dealing with someone unstable and just eaten the $25 or $50 charge, let him go his way, and called the cops. That doesn’t excuse him shooting them, but it would have been the smarter course of action.

    Unfortunately what I’ve noticed is the same people quoting Heinlein that an armed society is a polite society also think that if things get unpolite they’ll be more than capable with dealing with things. Heinlein was himself very wrong. Armed societies are scared societies where politeness is a survival mechanism. And no matter how well trained one is and how situationally aware, reality can be terribly inconveniencing.

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    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    With about 74% of the precincts counted, about 18,000 votes have been cast. By the time it’s done, maybe 25,000 people will have voted in WA today.

    Barack Obama won over 1.7 million votes in WA in 2012.

    Caucuses are a joke.

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    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @LAO: Your mother’s name is Butter Lamb (insert your last name here)? Must be a family name or something.

  156. 156.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @dogwood:

    Maybe Bernie should acknowledge that black votes count, and he ain’t gettin’ em, and that it matters to him, instead of dismissing ’em. Just sayin’.

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    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    25,000/1,700,000 = 1.4%

    irony: the 1 percent powered Sanders to victory.

  158. 158.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @Cacti:

    Holy cow. Didn’t Bernie have that many people at his rally?

  159. 159.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @Ben Cisco: You’re in my thoughts.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: And Militia? It implies an organization….

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: of all the comments I’ve made tonight, that’s the one you pick? Yes. It’s from the old country. My dad calls her Butty.

  162. 162.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    And where’s lamh?

    She has become Betty Cracker’s butter lamh.

  163. 163.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @Cacti:

    my twitter feed has many reports of Hillary caucusers being verbally and physically harrassed by bros, and not feeling safe around them.

  164. 164.

    BruceFromOhio

    March 26, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @raven:

    “Cleveland, Ohio is consistently ranked as one of the top ten most dangerous cities in America,” the petition states. “By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site.”

    This is clearly false. The RNC is painting the target, its danger is inherent in its existence – Cleveland is just the drive-by victim caught in the crossfire. The event could be in the middle of the desert and it would remain as perilous.

    I really wish they had selected Antarctica or fucking Mars for the ferret circus in July.

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    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @LAO:

    And you named it after my mother.

    Your mother was BB King’s guitar?

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    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 26, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    One of my all-time favourite moments in all music is that half-tone key change between the Adagio and the Rondo finale (B major to B-flat).

    I know what you mean. I studied music a bit and I can pick apart fairly simple compositions. But the Emperor just lays me out flat and all I can do is go with it. A really good performance has a pace that grabs you and carries you along. It’s a marvel and all too often I need that magic.

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @Mike J: if only my grandparents were that cool.

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    NotMax

    March 26, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Pidgin Lucille snippet.

  169. 169.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I did – thanks. The concert we’re going to is at the Brown Theatre (Dave Rawlings Machine – this is as close as they’ll get). We won’t be dressed for the Brown Hotel, obviously, though I do love it – and it’s certainly convenient.

    I got to prosecute the steak house owner once. I lost, as I knew I would as soon as the jury was waived. It was still an entertaining trial.

  170. 170.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Baud: Mine are a timezone away; hers a couple of hours out. Not really ready to deal with either at the moment.

    @redshirt: Ever see a duck cross a pond and wonder what was going on below the waterline?

    @Elmo: Thank you, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

  171. 171.

    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    my twitter feed has many reports of Hillary caucusers being verbally and physically harrassed by bros, and not feeling safe around them.

    My precinct caucus was a cordial affair. But I live in Pierce County (Tacoma), and it has a lower hipster quotient than King County (Seattle).

  172. 172.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @redshirt: Their argument is that the militia was all able males between 16 and 45 (or 50), therefore everyone is automatically in the militia and that this is reflected in the legislation that created the National Guard to replace the state militia concept.

    In reality the militia was largely useless as a fighting force. When Washington took command of what would become the Continental Army his immediate resources were militia. They were horrible. Unable to fight, lacking basic discipline, poorly provisioned. Its why he immediately called for raising and training a proper Army. The militia didn’t get much better after the country was founded, that’s why the first Federal mandate, issued under Washington’s Administration, was to require all able bodied males who were members of the militia to maintain a specific amount of shot, wadding, flints, and powder and a long gun, that these would be under control of the state government, and that drilling would occur regularly. When he needed the militia to deal with Shays it was still useless. And it never got much better. By the early part of the 19th Century it was a joke. It was better in the South because the militia was often used for county law enforcement and slave patrolling. But overall, not particularly useful.

  173. 173.

    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    Your comment wasn’t about Bernie, it was about white states. Last time I checked, Iowa was a white state that went for Obama in both its caucuses and its general election. I imagine it will be the same for Hillary. Should we say those caucuses don’t count?

  174. 174.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Gillian too?

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    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @LAO: I’m whimsical like that!

    True story: my paternal grandmother was called Bootie/Booty because of the rain boots she wore in elementary school.

  176. 176.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    Moses is giving his anti-slavery righteous rant in his oiled up chain wearing hot bodied self to Sethi (Cedric Hardwicke). Only 3 hours to go.

  177. 177.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You know they never released this

    Gillian Welch & David Rawlings – Throw Me a Rope (2004)

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    opiejeanne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @eemom: We did that sharing of the candle in the Methodist Church, passing the light. On Easter we say “He is risen!” and the answer is “He is risen, indeed!” Sometimes there’s an alleluia or two in there.

    My adult kids are not religious and these days we are not part of a church. I miss it sometimes, but mostly what I miss is the music.

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    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @redshirt:

    Rhode Island is better than Oklahoma!

    We are not talking college basketball, right?

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: I thought the petition was a lefty scheme to call out Republican hypocrisy. Is it a real petition?

    I know you can’t be enjoying this, one of my best friends lives in Ohio. She and her husband are coming for a visit during the convention.

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    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Sounds good; making do with some SoCo and Lime.

    @efgoldman: I feel ya. Condolences and wishes for better days.

    @TaMara (BHF): Thank you.

  182. 182.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @eemom:

    Charlton Heston has to be the shittiest actor to also coincidentally have been a right wing fucktard.

    No John Wayne was a worse actor. Hands down. (though I’ve never seen The Searchers). Wayne is completely stiff throughout “True Grit”. No comparison to Jeff Bridges’s version of Cogburn

  183. 183.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Bah. He’s good in that and in The Shootist.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: “Slave patrolling” pretty much sums up what they like about it.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @dogwood:

    Bernie’s whole strategy is focused on winning white state caucuses and primaries. Hillary’s isn’t. Fact. Deal with it.

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    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @Baud:
    Bernie’s rallies aren’t translating into votes.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @LAO: I thought the empty bottle would be a nice addition to the staging. No gin required, though perhaps I’d have done better with a nip. Spring is kicking my ass in a manner it hasn’t for years.

    @Mike J: Exactly where her name came from.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @Ben Cisco: No. But now that you mention it I do wonder. I know what’s down below.

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    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @redshirt: Fish

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @eemom:

    Christos anestei means Christ is risen. It’s part of a song that everyone sings over and over again in the Greek Orthodox church in the service which begins at midnight on Easter, called Anastasei, which celebrates the resurrection. The church is dark and the priest comes out with a single lit candle whose light is then distributed to candles everyone is holding throughout the church, and then the singing begins. It’s pretty cool actually.

    When I worked in radio I had a “community producer,” an Orthodox priest, who did a weekly program called “Sacred Music of the Eastern Orthodox Church.” He himself was Russian Orth, not Greek, but he was generous in including all Orthodox musical traditions in his program. Anyhow, he invited me one year to an Easter midnight service at his church, St Nicholas. One of the most moving and compelling experiences I’ve ever had, and I had long since given up religious practice by then. But something about that pitch-black church, not a smidgen of even ambient light, and suddenly the candles and the music and the incense — just thrilling. I can see how that would be a powerful memory for anyone growing up in that tradition.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: No college sports at all; just general Statehood.

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    Poopyman

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    SiubhanDuinne says:
    March 26, 2016 at 8:29 pm
    @Baud:

    Christ has left the nest?

    Rolled back the egg.

    … saw his shadow, and now we have 10 more weeks until Summer.

    Sorry.

    BTW, re: the title of the post – “The stakes we are gambling are frighteningly high.”
    (ex-Caiaphas and 2nd trumpet)

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    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @opiejeanne: Thank you.@Ruckus: And you as well.@SiubhanDuinne: Much appreciated.

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @dogwood:

    He’s winning what he’s winning. I’m just flabbergasted at these caucus turnout numbers. I would expect these type of numbers for a state attorney general election, maybe. Not president.

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    Roger Moore

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Caucuses in all white states are not the Democratic Party.

    Alaska is scarcely all-white. It has a large and relatively active Native American population. But it does say something that Sanders does better in low turnout caucuses than he does in primaries.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @raven: YES!!! She’s in the band, of course. I suspect they use their songs that aren’t quite the style (quality?) that they want to release under her name for the Machine. He is such a monster on that guitar.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @raven: Below water is an obvious metaphor/symbol for everything we cannot/don’t want to deal with. Death. Pain. Suffering. Etc.

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    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I thought Heston was good in Touch of Evil. I know people like to hate it because he’s a white guy, but there are lots of white guys in Mexico.

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Gin Makes everything better, till it doesn’t.

    I checked Oregon pacer, no new developments. Will let Adam know if anything interesting happens.

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    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @redshirt:

    I come from a strange family, so I sincerely ask if Easter is a big deal for anyone?

    It’s like a giant nothingburger in mine except for some going through the motions hiding chocolate for kids. Otherwise, no one cares. But we’re an incredibly atheistic family, and I’m sure that’s part of it.

    We weren’t religious at all, though not quite atheists, but we were little we would do the egg dying and hunting, but the main tradition was brunch at the club.

    We had a weekly chapel service at school; throw in weddings and funerals and that was enough churchin’ for me. We expressed our faith by treating people well rather than by sitting through services.

    But, as noted above, Easter is a BFD in the Christian religion.

  201. 201.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @LAO: Actually there are developments! The Bundy Bunch sympathizers have stepped up their campaign of threats and intimidation against Oregon and Federal officials.
    oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/threats_continue_against_troop.html#incart_big-photo

    You can get the 37 page pdf of the threats at that link.

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    dr. bloor

    March 26, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @Cacti: They’re worse than a joke, they’re fundamentally undemocratic. In a regular election, spending two hours at a polling place is considered a massive fail. It discourages turnout from anyone who might be inclined to vote, and worse, it makes it a nonstarter for anyone with child care issues, who works on the clock, older voters…the list goes on. The lack of privacy involved in casting one’s vote is not just undemocratic, it’s antidemocratic.

    The idea that this is how a major political party would choose to identify the individual they want to run for the most powerful office in the land is mind-boggling.

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    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    We did that sharing of the candle in the Methodist Church, passing the light. On Easter we say “He is risen!” and the answer is “He is risen, indeed!” Sometimes there’s an alleluia or two in there.

    In all seriousness, that is the wildest thing I have ever heard happening in a Methodist church.

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    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @Elie: Agreed.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    @Baud:

    Caucuses are paid by the party, ironically, which in the most white states, benefits the non Democrat Sanders. Since primaries have to be funded by states, democracy is another victim of Republican budget cutting as a feature, not a bug.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You enable us. LAO will let us know (via you) when there are new federal criminal legal filings she finds on PACER. I don’t have an account any longer.

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    Skerry

    March 26, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Ben Cisco: ((hugs))

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    the Emperor just lays me out flat

    Yup, perfectly phrased. There’s a moment in the first movement of the Seventh Symphony that does the same thing to me.

    Beethoven. Goddamn. Beethoven.

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    divF

    March 26, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: And respond with “Alithos Anesti”.

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    eemom

    March 26, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Wow, thanks for sharing that! The first time I went to one I was about 8, and I was totally thrilled.

    Actually, the experience kind of sums up my entire attitude towards religion, or at least Christianity — I respond to it on an emotional level, but when I get into the dogma — most specifically, the “Christ is the only way” thing, I call bullshit.

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    John Revolta

    March 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Hey UV, a question from a couple of weeks ago: your friend who’s the big Keith Emerson fan- are his initials PL? “Cause I think I knew him too, back in school.

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    JPL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You and Betty could start a business.

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Right. That’s why I was flirting above with dues paying above.

    Why can’t we do vote-by-mail for the primaries? One stamp per voter doesn’t seem like it would be too expensive. (That’s not the only cost, I recognize.)

    We are supposed to be the party that opposes voter suppression tactics.

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    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @Mike J: I didn’t like “Touch of Evil”. But, hammy as he was, Heston was good in “Planet of the Apes”. And I kind of liked him in “Midway”.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: It’s just odd to me that Fox ‘n Friends create such a sturm und drang over “The War on Christmas” and yet I don’t hear anything about Easter, though it’s arguably just as big a holiday, both religion wise and secular – my grocery story is closed.

  216. 216.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @Baud:

    We need to vote out all Republicans. If only Sanders supporters understood more about the importance of Party, but they’re all too fucking pure.

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    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Thank you.@raven: Also, furious pedaling. An apt metaphor for what it feels like.

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    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    They’re worse than a joke, they’re fundamentally undemocratic. In a regular election, spending two hours at a polling place is considered a massive fail. It discourages turnout from anyone who might be inclined to vote, and worse, it makes it a nonstarter for anyone with child care issues, who works on the clock, older voters…the list goes on. The lack of privacy involved in casting one’s vote is not just undemocratic, it’s antidemocratic.

    In my own case, my wife drew the short straw and stayed home with our two boys. Neither of them would have wanted to sit still long enough for either of us to pay attention to what was going on, so one of us had to stay home.

    Hooray democracy.

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    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): In my experience that’s not it. She had a conflict with a record company and just doesn’t headline that much. when I’ve seen them he’s just as killer on his axe.

    They recorded this in the hall at the Theater with John Paul Jones from Zepplin

    Dave Rawlings Machine – Going to California (Live at Georgia Theatre)

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    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    That was part of Obama’s strategy in 08. He might not have beat her without cleaning up in Idaho, Washington, Alaska, Kansas, Iowa etc. I’m glad he didn’t ignore those states. Their votes count and their delegates count. These votes and delegates won’t help Bernie much, because he ignored the red state south because it’s too Black not because it’s too conservative. His comment about the South being too conservative is disingenous. I’m old enough to remember when black votes didn’t count at all in wide swaths of this country, so I’m pretty sensitive to the idea that the race if any voter in the Democratic Party should be discounted.

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    opiejeanne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Which, sharing the light or the He is risen? This is fairly common in United Methodist churches in California. As for the non-united Methodists, YMMV.

  222. 222.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    @Cacti:

    In my own case, my wife drew the short straw and stayed home with our two boys. Neither of them would have wanted to sit still long enough for either of us to pay attention to what was going on, so one of us had to stay home

    Of the 19 votes in our precinct, 3 were absentee. They had turned in their sheet beforehand, and they were in the packet sitting on our table, and were duly counted. Could you have done that?

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    Elie

    March 26, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    I did not experience that in our caucuses in Whatcom County. I could see if not properly managed that passionate Bernistas might get carried away. Of course, the Hillary people may have responded in ways that made things worse. There are always two sides. In general, I believe in primaries where all that can be avoided.

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    I agree about the Republicans, but that’s general election stuff.

    I don’t have any real life basis for characterizing Sanders supporters. The internet is a lie, so I’m not going to make any judgments based on that.

  225. 225.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @Skerry: Thank you.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    mostly what I miss is the music.

    I was brought up Presbyterian and deserted them for the Episcopal Church when I was 16. Both have wonderful music (with a slight edge to the Anglicans). It’s been 40 years since I attended a Sunday morning service anywhere, but I own, and still enjoy paging through, the hymnals from both traditions. My (former) (late) atheist husband could never understand how I could love tunes like “Be Thou My Vision” or “Love Divine, All Loves Excelling” or the hundreds of great paintings and sculptures and oratorios and works of literature based on Biblical themes. He always thought I was being hypocritical.

  227. 227.

    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @Mike J:

    Of the 19 votes in our precinct, 3 were absentee. They had turned in their sheet beforehand, and they were in the packet sitting on our table, and were duly counted. Could you have done that?

    Possibly. It was my first time though. I didn’t know that absentee voting for caucuses was even a thing.

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    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Elie:
    Well stated.
    I feel the same way about Sanders. He’s not wrong about the current financial and tax laws that cause problems for most of us, but seems to gloss over the fact that blatant racism was here long before the current financial situation and makes things far worse.
    I wonder if he believes in the concept that we elected President Obama (twice!) and therefore racism really isn’t that important, after all a lot of white people voted for him.

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    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Ben Cisco: I want to distract you.

    As such, have you watched the two seasons of Daredevil on Netflix?

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    Roger Moore

    March 26, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @eemom:

    Charlton Heston has to be the shittiest actor to also coincidentally have been a right wing fucktard.

    You’re forgetting our 40th President.

  231. 231.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @dogwood:

    Their votes count and their delegates count.

    Agreed. Issues and debates about process shouldn’t be tied with particular candidates.

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    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @Ruckus:

    I feel the same way about Sanders. He’s not wrong about the current financial and tax laws that cause problems for most of us, but seems to gloss over the fact that blatant racism was here long before the current financial situation and makes things far worse.
    I wonder if he believes in the concept that we elected President Obama (twice!) and therefore racism really isn’t that important, after all a lot of white people voted for him.

    That’s my problem with class reductionist philosophy as a whole.

    Racial/ethnic/gender inequality doesn’t have a neutral origin. How could it possibly have a race/ethnicity/gender neutral remedy?

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    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @Baud:

    The internet is a lie

    That’s a pearl. Cole should add that to the rotating “Random Quote”

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    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @redshirt: I’ve never done Netflix; Mrs. C. wasn’t a big TV person overall, and we never indulged. However, I am a fan of all things Marvel…

  235. 235.

    Elie

    March 26, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @dogwood:

    The Bernistas also are incensed about the superdelegates — even after its explained that the Dems have that as a safeguard from situations like the Repubs are having with Trump. They want them to be uncommitted rather than voicing preferences where they have them. This of course, ignores the fact that they have lower overall counts and that the reality is that they have to win the overall delegate count to possibly influence the superdelegates. I just had to give up finally, since it was not comprehended along with the role of downticket races in helping Bernie get stuff done…

  236. 236.

    John D.

    March 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    @Cacti: Um. I thought you were joking, but people treated your comment seriously and you didn’t correct them, so…

    The WA vote reports are for state level delegates, not individual voters. There were at least an order of magnitude more voters than delegates, probably closer to 30 or 40 times the number. Caucuses are not one-man-one-vote affairs, so the reporting is very different than primaries.

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    debbie

    March 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Nice!

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    @John D.:
    Ugh. I can’t believe in 2016 this information is so hard to get right.

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    debbie

    March 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I assume it’s shown on Easter because it features the first Passover.

    Eh?

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    Davebo

    March 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Absolutely nothing to say but I wanted to be #250.

    Damn you debbie!

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    @John D.: There are 25,000 state level delegates?

  242. 242.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    @Davebo: You missed by quite a bit.

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    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    It’s not just Sander’s supporters who need to understand this it’s Sander’s himself. His supporters take their cues from him. He campaigned all over Washington and never mentioned the importance of Patty Murray’s reelection. He campaigned all over Washinton and spent millions of dollars renting out venues like Key Arena and only managed to turn out 20-30 thousand voters on a Saturday. This is not much of a revolution.

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    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @Roger Moore: he wasn’t an actor. he was just stuffing for a playbill.

    It’s pretty amazing how they used to do it. They’d have a newsreel, then some cartoons or comedic short like “The Three Stooges” or “The Bowery Boys”, then a raffle or sing-a-long, then the B movie, intermission, then the feature.

    It’s one of few things you can say was better then, than it is today.

  245. 245.

    Aleta

    March 26, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Will be thinking of you this week.

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    PurpleGirl

    March 26, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Sending {{{{{ virtual hugs}}}}}.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Moses now wants to talk to god personally, and thinks he’s entitled to get an answer. Now we know the Bible was written by the mentally disturbed people of their time.

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    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Easter music from the great Leon Russell

    Roll away the stone
    Don’t leave me here alone
    Resurrect me and protect me
    Don’t leave me laying here
    What will they do in two thousand years?

  249. 249.

    Cacti

    March 26, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @John D.:

    The WA vote reports are for state level delegates, not individual voters. There were at least an order of magnitude more voters than delegates, probably closer to 30 or 40 times the number.

    You’re…half right.

    You’re correct about the state level delegates. OTOH, the all-time record for a WA Democratic Caucus is about 250,000 voters in 2008. About 1/7 of the 1.75 million voters who voted Obama in the general.

  250. 250.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @divF:

    Yes indeed. The guy who cuts my hair is Greek, and whatever the first appointment I have after Easter (assuming it’s within the first 40 days), Dimo and I always exchange the greetings.

  251. 251.

    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Evolution in action.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder

    March 26, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    @John Revolta:

    Hey UV, a question from a couple of weeks ago: your friend who’s the big Keith Emerson fan- are his initials PL? “

    Different guy. My friend is JV, or professionally, CJV. Keyboard player and producer.

    Emerson will so be missed.

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    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Oh, btw, here are the people on that Leon album

    Leon Russell – piano, guitar, bass guitar, vocals
    Buddy Harman – drums
    Klaus Voormann – bass guitar
    Mick Jagger – vocals
    George Harrison – guitar[2]
    Ringo Starr – drums[2]
    Alan Spenner – bass guitar
    Charlie Watts – drums
    Bill Wyman – bass guitar
    Glyn Johns – engineer, mixing
    Delaney Bramlett – guitar
    Eric Clapton – guitar
    Jim Horn – saxophone
    Bonnie Bramlett – vocals
    Steve Winwood – keyboards
    Jim Gordon – drums
    Chris Stainton – keyboards
    B.J. Wilson – drums
    Joe Cocker – vocals
    Merry Clayton – vocals

  254. 254.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Baud:

    There are 25,000 state level delegates?

    LD level delegates. Each LD will caucus, and the delegates picked today will go. The delegates selected from the LD caucus will go to the county caucus. The delegates selected there will go to the state caucus. The state level caucus will select the 101 delegates that go to Philadelphia.

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    debbie

    March 26, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    I’m sorry whenever anyone has to go through anything like what you are. Doesn’t seem right.

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    debbie

    March 26, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Davebo:

    Like I’ve never heard that before!

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    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @LAO:

    I checked Oregon pacer, no new developments.

    This is why we keep you around!

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @raven: Are they in a fight with Almo/Allmusic or something? I thought everything from Time (the Revelator) forward was on their own label Acony. He is completely my favorite guitar player,

    Speaking of labels, I heard a podcast where Jason Isbell talks about Atlantic courting him, and showing him Ahmet Ertegun’s office. He said, it would be so cool to record with Atlantic, but when I go to the mailbox to get the checks, it’s so cool to have my own label. Paraphrased, of course. Mr. Q doesn’t know it yet, but we’ll be going to his show here in July. We saw him on the Southeastern tour and it was terrific.

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    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    @Mike J:

    Seems Rube Goldbergesque.

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    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I have a particular set of skills…

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    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @opiejeanne: I really do miss the music. More so at Christmas–I still have fond memories of Midnight Mass.

  262. 262.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @eemom:

    I love the high drama (bells and smells) of church services, particularly Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Anglican. And I lied in a comment above when I said I hadn’t been to a Sunday service in 40 years: in fact, I often attend Remembrance Sunday services at the (very high church, very British/Commonwealth) Anglican Church each November, and despite my atheism, I always get caught up in the theatre and my own role, and find myself genuflecting and signing the cross and responding to the calls and reciting the communal prayers as naturally and enthusiastically as if I were a nun. And then the service ends, and I leave, and I’m a non-believer once again. It really is like accepting an acting role for which one may have no sympathy but which one still plays to the best of ability.

  263. 263.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @Baud: We’re Democrats. What did you expect?

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @debbie: Thanks! And to JPL also, who cracked me up suggesting Betty Cracker and I start a butter lamb business.

    LAO, I hope your mother doesn’t mind. I really named the lamb for the guitar.

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    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Elie:
    If Bernie Sander’s has the most pledged delegates at the end of this process, many of Hillary’s SD’s will change over, and the bulk of them who aren’t committed now will get on board. Turning this into some establishment against the little guy sob story is bullshit. Most of these SD’s want to stay out of it as long as possible.

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    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @redshirt: In theory, Easter should be a much bigger deal than Christmas. Coming back to life to surely more impressive than just being born–it doesn’t happen quite as often!

  267. 267.

    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Outgunned…outmanned…outnumbered…outplanned…

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    dr. bloor

    March 26, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Baud: Rube shot himself at “the delegates selected from the LD caucus will go to the county caucus….”

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    dr. bloor

    March 26, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: There can be nothing bigger than bumping up end-of-year retail numbers and drinking heavily during the shortest days of the years, you dirty commie.

  270. 270.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @debbie: @PurpleGirl: @Aleta: Thank you all.

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    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Not really sure, I know when they played her a LONNG time ago she made a point of playing a mini-show at a indie record store.

  272. 272.

    Darkrose

    March 26, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Are these the men with whom I’m to defend America?

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    magurakurin

    March 26, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    But it does say something that Sanders does better in low turnout caucuses than he does in primaries.

    I’d say the Alaska results are going a long way to redefine the lower boundaries of low turn out.
    S 435
    C 104

    Some of the these cheapest delegates per vote to be had this cycle. Norther Mariana Islands was a pretty good deal, too.

    C 102
    S 65

    Clinton got 4 delegates and Sanders 2. So Clinton “paid” 51 votes for a delegate there. But Sanders already has 9 delegates in Alaska, 48 votes/delegate, and 6 more to be allocated. So, he got real, real value in Alaska.

    The primary system has many flaws. The caucus is a big one that could be changed fairly easily. Not sure what to do about the territories, I suppose they even out to a degree. Clinton will probably get a big net of delegates in PR, and probably many more votes than Alaska as well.

    But, the number is 2026. Whoever gets that is the winner, everything else is bullshit. Senator Sanders can call black people in the south conservatives, consider his supporters in Idaho and Utah his liberal base, whatever. If he gets 2026 he wins. If he doesn’t he loses. Simple.

  274. 274.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I remember watching the Illinois National Guard unass their deuce and a half’s on the U of I campus after Kent State. I’d been back for about 6 months and was pretty salty and it was hilarious.

  275. 275.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @Ben Cisco: If you’ve ever read any Daredevil then you have to watch the show. It’s awesome – comic book come to TV. It’s amazing considering the source material.

  276. 276.

    JPL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @Ben Cisco: I do hope that you have plans in order to escape for a few hours. Starbucks or a movie might help. When I was at a low point, but not nearly as sad as yours, I watched foreign films. Why, you might ask, in my case, I had to read the subtitles and it kept be focused. We’ll all be thinking of you.

  277. 277.

    PurpleGirl

    March 26, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @eemom: The Lutheran Church I attended for a number of years also did an Easter Vigil with candles and the minister saying “Christ is Risen” and the congregation answering “He is Risen indeed.” There are a number of beautiful hymns for Easter. I miss the music.

  278. 278.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Mike J: at least we’re not “run it like a business” republicans. it took them 16 days to figure out who won Iowa in 2012.

  279. 279.

    JPL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: That was only because they didn’t want to know.. just guessing.

  280. 280.

    John Revolta

    March 26, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Right. Yeah, my guy is a keyboard player/ producer as well, and idolized Emerson. This is shaping up as a rough goddamn year in show business.

  281. 281.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @raven: They’re still well worth seeing whenever they get close, in my view. Hence our trip to the People’s Keynan Islamofascist Socialist Republic of Louisville.

  282. 282.

    dogwood

    March 26, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @magurakurin:
    There aren’t enough democrats in Idaho or Utah to form a base for anyone. But it is a mistake not to recognize that they are pretty liberal. I’m not an expert on the South, but I’d bet that the small number of white democrats in the South aren’t necessarily moderates.

  283. 283.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @redshirt: Daredevil was one of my favorites as a wee bairn, along with Spidey, FF, Black Panther, and Power Man. Marvel kid all the way. It appears that my current TVs aren’t “smart” or Netflix-capable. Perhaps some shopping is in order…

  284. 284.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    There can be nothing bigger than bumping up end-of-year retail numbers and drinking heavily during the shortest days of the years, you dirty commie.

    Hey, I said IN THEORY!!!111!

  285. 285.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @JPL: Saw Deadpool a week ago but (stupidly) missed the post-credits scene. Might be worth a fiver to find out what I missed…

  286. 286.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Ben Cisco: You can get Netflix on your computer and then output it to your giant TV. Ask me how!

  287. 287.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @raven: Are you familiar with the Athens band Five Eight? Spent some time with their guitarist the other night. Seemed like a cool guy but I don’t know their music.

  288. 288.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Thu | Apr 28th Athens, GA United States The Georgia Theatre

    We just don’t go out hardly at all anymore.

  289. 289.

    Davebo

    March 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    Just made what I’m sure is a big mistake. Sending an email to a reporter about a story he wrote that was totally wrong and I, because of information I had, knew was wrong.

    I was being defensive because the subject of the story is someone I love and I knew it was BS. But since she’s a somewhat prominent public figure (especially after the story) I think my contribution was a mistake. These things are handled after all, by professionals.

    God I hate the internet.

  290. 290.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Did you like Deadpool?

    I could spoil the teaser scenes if you want.

  291. 291.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @Darkrose: Not unless you’re sucked through a time vortex and wind up in the late 18th or early 19th centuries.

  292. 292.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    The burning bush has spoken to Moses’s white guy mind in White Guy Speech, and Moses is jacked to go lead Men from Egypt. Wow. Thou shalt obey a burning bush because… reasons.

    ETA: Bringing the word of god. That settles it, forever.

  293. 293.

    magurakurin

    March 26, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @Ben Cisco: or just buy a Chromecast dongle for $35. They work great. You can control your Netflix account from your phone or tablet or computer and then the media streams directly from your wifi to the tv. It’s great.

  294. 294.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @JPL: yeah, Santorum winning was a sticky situation.

  295. 295.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @raven: I’ve seen the news write ups about that. The good news is, as I’m sure you know, that the NG is significantly better today. The bad news is that there are still major differences in the quality of personnel by state. I’ve prepped NG Soldiers from GA, from NY, and from PA. The NY and PA Soldiers were far better prepared, in an educational sense, than the GA Soldiers. Because NY and PA have far better elementary and secondary educational systems than GA.

  296. 296.

    magurakurin

    March 26, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @redshirt: this works, too. If you don’t mind moving the laptop, just connect it to the tv with an hdmi cable. I’m too lazy, so, Chromecast, but the cable works fine.

  297. 297.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @Davebo:

    God I hate the internet.

    It’s a dangerous thing, especially when mixed with rage and/or alcohol.

  298. 298.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @magurakurin: I like my Chromecast. It’s a nice investment.

  299. 299.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @Ben Cisco: @JPL: Just don’t see Batman V Superman. By all accounts that’ll make things worse.

    We’re keeping you in our thoughts.

  300. 300.

    PurpleGirl

    March 26, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I like how you did the “wool”. It’s cute.

  301. 301.

    magurakurin

    March 26, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @Baud: I put a folder of my own photos into the Chromecast photo screen, so some of my photos are displayed as the dongle shuffles through the images it shows when on standby. My wife loves to pay out on my inferior photography skills as they are graphically compared to professionals. As long as she is happy…

  302. 302.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @redshirt: And everyone tells me I’m enabling (select) readers of this blog!

  303. 303.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @Poopyman: Sigh. That’s what I get for trying to do it from memory and not listening to the song before I posted. Good catch.

  304. 304.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @magurakurin: I haven’t done the photo thing yet. The nature pictures it comes with are pretty nice, however.

  305. 305.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    The peasants are revolting.

  306. 306.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Are they still around? When I was in college at Emory I ran equipment for The Sleepwalkers (featuring Ruben Anderson). We routinely played gigs with Five-Eight. I found their music to be similar in style, at that time in 90-92, to Jane’s Addiction. I had a friend and classmate that loved them.

  307. 307.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: And, bear in mind, I spent half of my tour in one of those 8 guard units that got called up and sent. We were decent at our “contingency” signal mission but the 138th Field Artillery (Kentucky National Guard) was badly mauled when their firebase was hit. I know that noit only the guard but all of the troops a better trained than we were. The idea of drafting 100,000 a year who didn’t meet basic military standards probably wasn’t the best way to achieve effectiveness.

  308. 308.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 26, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: you said it, they stink on ice

  309. 309.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @Davebo: You stood up for someone you care about. Put it in the “did the right thing column” and let it go.

  310. 310.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You know th 5-8 guys? Damn.

  311. 311.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @raven: Do you know Sean Dunn? He probably wasn’t in it when Adam knew them.

  312. 312.

    ThresherK

    March 26, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    @efgoldman: Oklahoma has an entire musical, and the OU fight song tune was written for Yale originally.

    So they have two songs to identify their state with, written by Rodgers and Hammerstein, and Cole Porter.

    But at least you Rhodys have “You come from Rhode Island”, at least the equal of “Moonlight in Vermont” or “Canadian Sunset”.

  313. 313.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @raven: We don’t either. Which could explain all my time here. Along with underemployment in my consultant self-employment.

    Seeing them might totally be worth it. Just sayin…

    @PurpleGirl: Thank you! I found a site where these nuns use a dowel, and I used a chopstick. It was a pain to curl the garlic press strands last year. Betty Cracker has much more patience than I do.

  314. 314.

    Germy

    March 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    Rawstory headline:
    Democratic voters forced to caucus in Alaska parking lot after possibly smashing turn-out records

  315. 315.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @redshirt: This involves the HDMI output, yes?

  316. 316.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @raven: Tracking. From what I’ve read on the history of the war, including the draft, I don’t think the draft, per se, was the problem. Rather that the need for seasoned Soldiers because of the op tempo made it hard for new arrivals, either one of replacements or entire units, to be effective.

    Even during OIF and OEF the most dangerous times, which were also the times when we were the least effective, was during transfer of authority as units rotated in and out. The departing units had their minds on making it to the birds without further incident and the incoming units didn’t have the local knowledge down – no matter how many times they’d been in country before.

  317. 317.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I don’t know him, I know Dan and Mike is a very close friend of my colleague. Do you know the Glands? Ross Shapiro just died today.

  318. 318.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @redshirt: Yes, I did, but no. I think the idea of getting out of the house has some merit.

  319. 319.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @Germy:

    possibly smashing

    Band name?

  320. 320.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Especially when your line officers punched their tickets for 6 months and then di-di’d.

    Also, I think a balanced draft is good but that ain’t what Project 100,000 was.

  321. 321.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Ferret circus. You said “ferret circus”.

    OK, you said it about the Republican convention, but still…I love it.

  322. 322.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m witcha.

  323. 323.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Moses: Let my people go.
    Pharaoh: I fart in your general direction.
    Moses: Enjoy your plagues.

  324. 324.

    Germy

    March 26, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @Baud: Does one smash a record? I’ve heard of breaking a record…
    Maybe the headline writer used a thesaurus.

  325. 325.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: You ever get over here hollah, we’ll hit White Tiger!

  326. 326.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @raven: Haven’t seen any of them in 24 years, but yes, I once new them casually. The funniest thing I ever saw with them was during a charity gig in Five Points. It was the venue right at the point – literally. We were on after them. The organizer, who meant well, had annoyed everyone. Five Eight was on right before us. For whatever reason no one had properly secured the kick drum. So about halfway through the first song it decided to go for a walk around the stage. I think they did two or three songs and finished early and without warning. So we had to get started early. And I think the agreement was that because of limited time for changes, because it was for charity, everyone was supposed to use the same drum kit. Which made our drummer less than happy.

  327. 327.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    Hey Adam, why not throw up another thread before this one hits a tbogg?

  328. 328.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Word. It’s amazing how willfully disregarded this basic understanding of the rules is, when you’re a Berniebot.

  329. 329.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Germy: I think there are many no-good, bad things you can do to a record.

  330. 330.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I don’t even remember their names. Basically they’d nod at me as I was lugging amps around and plugging stuff in for my guys.

  331. 331.

    Germy

    March 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    My cat threw up a thread last night.

  332. 332.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @raven: Does it count that I know Bootsy Collins and Adrian Belew? And Keith Lockhart – actually the most closely, (for efgoldman, who no doubt knows who he is).

  333. 333.

    CaseyL

    March 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Coming in late to the conversation, but wanted to add more {{{hugs}}} for you.

    Also seconding the suggestion to see a movie. I’d say go out and see it, rather than at home, if possible. Have people around, without the necessity of actually socializing.

    Take care.

  334. 334.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @raven: Damn straight!

  335. 335.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    March 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @Ben Cisco: I wish there were words that could help. Sending hugs.

  336. 336.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @raven: That never helps either.

  337. 337.

    Germy

    March 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Baud: You can shatter a record. I suppose a record can be smashed.

    But shatter would have made a better headline.

  338. 338.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Baud:

    Seems Rube Goldbergesque

    I take it, then, that you’ve seen this?

  339. 339.

    Mike J

    March 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Moses: Let my people go.

    Let my people go go

  340. 340.

    Peale

    March 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @raven: these are really pathetic people.

  341. 341.

    opiejeanne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    I think we might watch Chocolat tonight. It’s a pretty good Easter movie.

  342. 342.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Wonder if that was Patrick Ferguson? He’s been know to be a pretty wild dude. When my buddies son was in Iraq I sent him Music Hate’s You CD’s!

  343. 343.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 26, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Does it count that I know Bootsy Collins and Adrian Belew? And Keith Lockhart – actually the most closely, (for efgoldman, who no doubt knows who he is).

    Would love to give you points for this, but the rules clearly state that only Athens musicians count tonight. Je suis desolee!

  344. 344.

    Germy

    March 26, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Mike J: Edward G. Robinson smokes a cigar, wears black wingtips with black socks under his robe in the Ten Commandments.

  345. 345.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    The Rolling Stones today in Cuba

    (photo #1)

    (photo #2)

    Looks like a big fucking deal.

  346. 346.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Belew moved to Champaign-Urbana right when I left!

  347. 347.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Martha Jackovics
    ‏@BeachPeanuts

    I’ve never been attacked & harassed by run of the mill GOP wing nuts as much as I’ve been attacked & threatened by Bernie supporters.

    This is so much of what is going on, on twitter, tonight. Brogressives for Bernie. He’s their old white guy avatar.

  348. 348.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I have now.

  349. 349.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Mike J: Done!

  350. 350.

    ThresherK

    March 26, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: “Let My People Go Go.”

    @Mike J: Damn. There’s nothing too obscure for this crowd!

  351. 351.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Two have died this week.

  352. 352.

    Germy

    March 26, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: They look like muppets.

  353. 353.

    LAO

    March 26, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @efgoldman: she. ?

  354. 354.

    Baud

    March 26, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @efgoldman:

    an old guy still need validation once in a while.

    You complete me.

  355. 355.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @Darkrose:

    Episcopalian Church Choir – close as you can get to being Catholic without believing in transubstantiation and the infallability of the Pope. The music of Christmas and Easter the most glorious. Forty years later I can still sing at least snatches of my most favorite pieces.

    We had very exacting choir masters. We were *good*. : )

    @Ben Cisco: Yes, in all seriousness, getting out of the house would be good.

  356. 356.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @raven: As Five Eight’s drummer? If he was the drummer at the time, then yes, that’s him. He didn’t do anything he wasn’t supposed to do. Whoever set the equipment up simply didn’t secure the kick drum properly. He did his thing and off it went on walkabout.

    Like I said, I never knew (don’t remember) any of their names even if the guy who ran our band, Jeremy Richmond (who, I understand, still plays shows in the Atlanta area) most likely introduced me one night as I was moving our stuff off stage and their folks were moving their’s on.

  357. 357.

    dr. bloor

    March 26, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Blossom Dearie, bitchez. Case closed.

  358. 358.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    And Keith Lockhart – actually the most closely, (for efgoldman, who no doubt knows who he is).

    Hell, I’m in Atlanta and I know who Keith Lockhart is.

  359. 359.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: His twin was T Rex at FDL! How’s that for irrelevant!

  360. 360.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @raven: But David Foster Wallace was playing junior tennis when you were doing parks there, so you are my hero. I have buddies who were in a band with Adrian, and he was always quite nice to me, though i never quite warmed to him. Go figure.

    @SiubhanDuinne: LOL. I guess he is pretty well known now, come to think of it. I knew him when he was with a rather lesser Pops.

  361. 361.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Baud:

    I’m going to send it to Anne Laurie and ask her to front-page it a day or two before the start of Passover.

  362. 362.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Yea, that’s pretty cool even though I had no idea who he was until 6 months ago!

    Have I also told you that I went to the Palm Beach Pop Festival in Nov 69 and King Crimson was the house band and played twice a DAY. I never liked that progrock stuff, maybe that is why!

  363. 363.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 26, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @efgoldman:

    What he says isn’t wrong, but it doesn’t resonate.

    You may be correct about many other parts, but I think what he says is wrong. He’s corrected it a few times, but he keeps reverting to racial tension being the result of economic tension. It’s not true. It’s never been true. Racism thrives in times of economic security. Racism is as or more prevalent in higher income groups, although it tends to be more politely phrased. Correct all other factors, and scientific tests will show that minorities are still discriminated against, usually without the person doing the discrimination even aware. And frankly, this is all hardwired into the brain by evolution. You can try to overcome it, but it’s no artificial construct, it was there first and has to be put down.

  364. 364.

    Ben Cisco

    March 26, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    CaseyL: Yes, going to catch Deadpool again.

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: Thanks!

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Does it count that I know Bootsy Collins

    Space Bass!!

  365. 365.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @raven: Good to know. If you do talk to any of those guys, would you please ask them if they have contact info for Jeremy Richmond formerly of The Sleepwalkers? I lost his contact info somewhere along the way and would love to reconnect.

    Thanks. And no worries if it can’t be accomplished.

  366. 366.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’ll take care of it. I sent it to my Mom to watch.

  367. 367.

    ThresherK

    March 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @dr. bloor: Nicely sung. I had known this song for ages but didn’t know that Schwartz and Dietz (“The Band Wagon”, “That’s Entertainment”, a thousand other things) wrote it.

  368. 368.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    37 *pages* of threats??

  369. 369.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Roger that.

  370. 370.

    raven

    March 26, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: He has a facebook page

    facebook.com/jeremy.richmond.54

  371. 371.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Yep. The pdf isn’t directly linkable, but its at the Oregonian link in my comment. Some of that is email, some of it is transcribed voicemails. Some of it is Facebook posting or tweets.

  372. 372.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 26, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @Miss Bianca:
    Now imagine if the occupation hadn’t been handled so peacefully. These people thrive on being oppressed. They are starving and desperate for validation that the war has begun.

  373. 373.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Wait, did you say you knew Adrian Belew and Bootsy Collins? Sorry, no matter what Steve says, ALL BOW DOWN.

  374. 374.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @raven: I don’t do Facebook. I emailed him via LinkedIn and got no response. I even tried to call his Dad at one point when I was going to be in Atlanta – he’s a retired Emory professor. Of course there were two with the exact same names and it was the one I didn’t want that kept his contact info in the Emory directory…

  375. 375.

    ThresherK

    March 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @ThresherK: ETA: Any singer who favors Dave Frishberg’s work (per the wiki) has exactly that jenny say quoits this song needs.

    (PS I can’t edit my own remarks?)

  376. 376.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: @Frankensteinbeck:

    Da…fug. That’s all I got.

  377. 377.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @raven: Thanks! I appreciate it.

  378. 378.

    Elmo

    March 26, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @Poopyman: Thank you. That’s what I thought but different versions sometimes have slightly different words, so I didn’t say anything. But it was bugging me.
    We must crush him completely
    So like John before him
    This Jesus must die.

  379. 379.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @Miss Bianca: The tree of Liberty isn’t going to water itself now is it?

  380. 380.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @raven: I’m delighted that I introduced him to you (at least I think I did, here with my tattoo. I’m inordinately fond of his work, as is my psychiatrist. Hungry Joe’s a big fan also, too.

    Cool that King Crimson played twice a day, though I confess it isn’t music that I favor. As you may have guessed from what I do like…

  381. 381.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Maybe not, but why does it always have to be watered with the blood of children and government employees?

  382. 382.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Aw, thanks so much.

  383. 383.

    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    @raven:
    I’d bet pretty large sums that you know that the powers that were, didn’t really give a shit about effectiveness, only warm bodies. And they didn’t seem to give a shit if they stayed warm either.

  384. 384.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    @efgoldman:

    We also have … the first synagogue in the colonies.

    I’ll see your 1763 synagogue and raise you 28 years.

  385. 385.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I’m not even going to try to find any humor here. The simple answer is that most school shootings involve mentally ill or angry/alienated students/former students of the school. Government facilities are targets of those who deny the validity and/or need for the government and have grievances against it.

  386. 386.

    Miss Bianca

    March 26, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yeah, and you and I both know what the commonest common denominator is in these situations…no humor possible, it’s all just bitter as gall.

  387. 387.

    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @Ben Cisco:
    Not remotely in a similar situation as you but…. am in what sounds somewhat like the same mindset, for reasons I’m not ready to tell here, and getting out and about is helpful. It seems to open the mind a bit and takes some of the pressure off, even if it is just for a short time.

  388. 388.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 26, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @efgoldman: I think we talked about this earlier, and I bow (appropriately) to your classical connections. But I do have my share of pop buddies. No pun actually intended, as much as I miss Keith (very) occasionally – he could be quite entertaining.

    ETA: Lockhart; sadly, I am unacquainted with the only Keith who matters (Keef). Though I will never give up hope as long as we are both alive.

  389. 389.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 26, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Did you read Malcolm Gladwell’s analysis of school shootings? I know he gets a bad rap, but he did a deep dive, and if he’s to be believed, the perpetrators are non-ideological ritualistic enactors of something from the deeply weirdly adolescently American male psych. Sad!

  390. 390.

    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Probably doesn’t really like being pissed on though.

  391. 391.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Yes. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’ve read the studies done by actual people with doctorates in psychology and psychiatry. Here’s one of the paragraph from my preliminary report on Soldiers who commit mass shootings for the Army:

    Psychologist Peter Langman13, through case examination of ten mass shooters who targeted schools, has developed a typology of the mass shooter. He was able to identify three broad types: the traumatized, the psychotic, and the psychopathic. Langman describes the traumatized, which encompassed three of the shooters, as coming from broken homes, with parental abuse and criminal behavior. They all suffered physical abuse and two were also sexually abused outside of the home. Five of the ten shooters were psychotic, falling somewhere on the schizophrenia spectrum and demonstrating schizophrenic and schizotypal personality disorders. Psychotic disorders are defined as “severe mental disorders that cause abnormal thinking and perception”.14 Those suffering from this condition, also referred to as psychosis, lose touch with reality and can suffer delusions and hallucinations. There was no history of abuse, nor were they from broken homes. The two remaining shooters were psychopathic. Psychopathy is a difficult to identify personality disorder. Psychopaths “lack conscience and empathy, making them manipulative, volatile, and often (but by no means always) criminal”.15 Moreover, these two shooters had coopted two of the other types. In the case of the Columbine shooters, Eric Harris, the psychopath, coopted Dylan Klebold, who exhibited schizotypal disorder, which was not fully known until his journals were released years after the attack. Andrew Golden, also a psychopath, seems to have brought Mitchell Golden, who had been traumatized, into his plans that left five dead and ten wounded in Jonesboro, AR. Langman makes it very clear that his typology is NOT meant to explain the attacks, their nature, or the reasons for them. Rather it is intended to help better understand the shooters, but other factors must also be considered to understand the criminogenesis of the mass shooting. Given Langman’s focus on the psychology, and the psychological factors at play in mass shootings, indicates that social – socio-cultural and social behavioral factors must still be considered.

    There’s five more paragraphs in this section dealing with other conceptualizations of mass shooters, including those done by students.

  392. 392.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Ruckus: depends whether its potting soil is low on uriac nitrate.

  393. 393.

    Ruckus

    March 26, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Low is one thing. And it is somewhat different than being over saturated.

  394. 394.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 26, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @Ruckus: True, but I’m not the gardner in my family. I’m amazed I’ve kept my basil plant alive for almost a year.

  395. 395.

    redshirt

    March 26, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The tree of Liberty isn’t going to water itself now is it?

    Damn right!

    Signs up for atrocity.

  396. 396.

    Monala

    March 26, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @Cacti: were you at Curtis?

  397. 397.

    reality-based (the original, not the troll)

    March 26, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    oh, yes – I love the emperor! i even still love it after seeing Richard Dreyfuss pretend to play it in “The Competition” back in the 70s! (Speaking of over-the-top movies)

    even further OT – the other night, I was sitting in my car, listening to stunningly beautiful Bach Goldberg Variations on the Sirius Xm, too entranced to go inside – and also disconcerted, as I swear I occasionally heard a faint humming of the melodic line. – just barely and occasionally there – then I realized – of course, it’s Glenn Gould !

    Does anyone know – did the editors try to get the humming out, but couldn’t with the technology of the time?

    an unearthly feeling – but the playing was SO great.

  398. 398.

    gwangung

    March 26, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Well, these (meaning the more irritating ones) are the folks who are blaming Arizona’s voting problems on Clinton.

  399. 399.

    gwangung

    March 26, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: And there are plenty of folks and institutions who are working to make it WORSE.

    Which is why a lot of folks get frustrated when Sanders and his supporters insist that they have to take care of class problems first.

  400. 400.

    gwangung

    March 26, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Because ammosexuals are moochers. They’re not paying the price; they’re allowing kids and innocents to pay it.

  401. 401.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 27, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @gwangung:

    I’m nuking the idiots on twitter with snopes, since they’re too stupid to use google.

  402. 402.

    reality-based (the original, not the troll)

    March 27, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @Mike J:

    he was actually – believe it or not – a pretty Good Marc Antony in the 1950 film of Julius Cesear – I’m hearing Antony’s Oration in the living room TV (TCM) while washing dishes in the kitchen, step out to see who the actor is with that interesting take on the speech – and it’s CHARLETON HESTON?

    coulda knocked me over with a feather

  403. 403.

    elftx

    March 27, 2016 at 12:34 am

    I want to see the Bundy Ranch applaud this play.

  404. 404.

    rikyrah

    March 27, 2016 at 12:40 am

    @Elie:

    I hear you

  405. 405.

    DesertFriar

    March 27, 2016 at 12:50 am

    @efgoldman:

    Go PC!

  406. 406.

    gogol's wife

    March 27, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @reality-based (the original, not the troll):

    I thought it was Marlon Brando?

  407. 407.

    J R in WV

    March 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    @raven:

    I was in boot camp during Kent State, after spending a year working in the anti-war movement. The discourse among the boots was – upsetting. They were not willing but anxious to kill j random college students. As many as possible. Which was impossible for them, of course, we were all captives in boot camp, at least as strict as most prisons not maximum security.

    So long ago, thank FSM.

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