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Talk me down…

by Betty Cracker|  March 31, 20167:17 pm| 220 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, Jump! You Fuckers!

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Trump’s not going to blow this thing, is he? The campaign manager’s arrest. The massive abortion gaffe and walk-back. The foolishness about nuclear proliferation. It’s been a bad week.

I’m afraid he’s going to flame out before clinching the nomination, paving the way for the GOP to nominate someone who can impersonate a sane person more convincingly.

Trump’s got this thing, right? Right?!?!?!?

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  1. 1.

    RaflW

    March 31, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    Trump’s re-staging of The Producers may have a bonus plot twist.

  2. 2.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 31, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    Just read that the RNC isn’t getting some big sponsorships (so far) for the convention. They don’t want to be associated with the crapfest it’s guaranteed to be.

    So if Trump does blow it…does that mean he goes for an independent bid? I’m just looking for anything that will split the rethugs into enough splinter groups that we can use them for kindling.

  3. 3.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 31, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    Trump’s not going to blow this thing, is he? The campaign manager’s arrest. The massive abortion gaffe and walk-back. The foolishness about nuclear proliferation. It’s been a bad week.

    I doubt any of these things are going to hurt him with his core audience. He’s sure as hell not going away, whatever happens, and if he’s pissed at the Republican party for taking “his” nomination, so much the better. The man would be utterly incapable of sitting by quietly and not popping off at least five times a week about how Nominee X is terrible, I could’ve been so much better, it would’ve been terrific, believe me, but that’s not what the politicians as usual crowd wanted.

  4. 4.

    Yutsano

    March 31, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    He’s up like 56% in Noo Yahk and is still ahead in the other primaries. I think he’ll either get there or get close enough to get it. And the GOP will never be the same.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    paving the way for the GOP to nominate someone who can impersonate a sane person more convincingly.

    Cruz?

  6. 6.

    redshirt

    March 31, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    You want Trump to be the nominee, Betty C?

  7. 7.

    Patricia Kayden

    March 31, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    Trump’s supporters are stupid bigots so yes, he’s got this.

  8. 8.

    Thoughtful David

    March 31, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    He’s not going to stop. His ego is too much in it. He may come into the convention in second place or something, but then he’ll have to make a scene about how he “wasn’t treated fairly,” and the Trumpenproletariat will riot.
    Don’t give up hope.

  9. 9.

    geg6

    March 31, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    Calm down, Betty. He’s got this. He’s gonna win big…I mean, yooooogely, in NY. So yoooooge that it may be enough to shut down any thought of a brokered convention.

  10. 10.

    redshirt

    March 31, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    Fantastic drawing, also too.

  11. 11.

    David Fud

    March 31, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @Yutsano: It give me warm fuzzy feelings that the GOP will never be the same. It give me feelings of creeping doom that the US might never be the same. Let us hope for the former and pray to the flying spaghetti monster against the latter.

  12. 12.

    Yutsano

    March 31, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): A brokered convention will be a bloody mishegas. And no way does Trump accept that without a fight. It’s a big mess and it couldn’t happen to a nicer party.

  13. 13.

    Politically Lost

    March 31, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    Dream scenario is he’s badly wounded yet manages to retain just enough delegates to have a lead going into the convention without clinching the nomination. He loses on the first ballot and Cruz loses on the second. Mild violence ensues on the third ballot between Cruz and the talking yam. White knights Ryan, Romney, McCain, etc. with big money backing try to take over. They fail, badly. Open rebellion begins and the violence starts to become considerable. Big money and establishment types take their ball, go home and begin to scramble for a third party candidate. A clear Repub candidate takes days to nominate with what’s left.

  14. 14.

    JPL

    March 31, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    Yup.. Trump can say racist statements, but mentioning that if you break a law, there should be punishment will bring him down. It’s not the republican party you wished for, but it’s the one you got.

  15. 15.

    Brachiator

    March 31, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    Trump’s got this thing, right? Right?!?!?!?

    When’s the next primary? Can’t know the impact of this recent stuff until then.

    @TaMara (BHF)

    So if Trump does blow it…does that mean he goes for an independent bid? I’m just looking for anything that will split the rethugs into enough splinter groups that we can use them for kindling.

    The Republicans still control Congress and many states. No certain sign that they would lose power even if Trump blowed up real good.

  16. 16.

    RaflW

    March 31, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Oh, and any defection to Ryan in the convention will lead to as much disaster as either Trump or Cruz at the top. The base will be livid for the remainder of the election season, and I’m pretty sure Ryan hasn’t actually improved his campaigning game that much since Biden mopped the floor with him in’ 12.

  17. 17.

    The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016

    March 31, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @Politically Lost: That might not be far too much from the truth. I just hope all the rioting is within the party and not within the Q or out on the streets.

  18. 18.

    Roger Moore

    March 31, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Politically Lost:

    Dream scenario is

    The convention center is destroyed by a meteor strike that somehow manages to do no damage to the rest of the city.

  19. 19.

    Daulnay

    March 31, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    This mess will only make me completely happy when the vast majority of the ‘sane’ Republicans repent of the hatred they’ve fomented, and condemn and discourage all the hateful politics they’ve been cultivating. I do expect Hell to freeze over first, but hopefully not before they’ve all gone there.

    As a second best, I do hope the Republican party splits into at least 3 competing parties. And that the Talibangenicals decide that joining politics sullies their chances of getting into heaven, and withdraw.

  20. 20.

    geg6

    March 31, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    @Yutsano:

    I was a poli sci major and I remember a class about American parties and thought how quaint and fascinating it was to read about the few party disintegrations in our history. Most of the class focused on the permutations of the two major parties but the stuff about the Federalists and the Whigs just seemed so exotic. I couldn’t imagine this happening in the modern world. I am just flabbergasted that I may be seeing it happen in real time. Not sure that this is just an adjustment for the GOP or one of those major meltdowns, but it’s frighteningly exciting to be living through it.

  21. 21.

    andy

    March 31, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    Does he got it? Enough to get him close to the magic number, for sure. The Base is too invested in their revenge fantasy to settle for someone objectively better.

  22. 22.

    eemom

    March 31, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    Pretty sure that even if he ends up not being the nominee the republitards are just as fucked…..cuz he’s gonna raise hell and take all his enraged zombies with him. I actually think he wasn’t too far off when he said there would be riots.

  23. 23.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Shocking news out of Argentina — the woman who led Obama in a sultry tango last week at a State Dinner had been expressly forbidden from rubbing her harlot body against him, and she did it anyway.

    Heart wants what the heart wants

  24. 24.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    March 31, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    The fallback option is Cruz, whose unpopularity numbers are starting to match Trump’s.

  25. 25.

    ? Martin

    March 31, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @Politically Lost: Dream scenario is that the GOP caves on the open carry ban and the Cruz delegates stand their ground on national TV.

  26. 26.

    p.a.

    March 31, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    Has anyone in the national media commented on the Rethug inconsistency of claiming they DON’T want to prosecute women who have abortions?
    According to them 1. Human Life Begins at Conception ™
    2. Abortion is Murder.
    3. Murder is a crime with well-defined punishments.

    If I hire a hit man to kill an actual human being am I not liable?

  27. 27.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    He’s “got this,” but not in the way you think: he’s going to cut a deal with the RNC (a YUUUUGE deal, of course, and classy) to drop out in favor of the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver. You remember him, right? He’s the guy who refused the Speakership three times, as the crowd cheered ever more wildly. Same thing in Cleveland.

    The only question is: what will Trump’s price tag be?

  28. 28.

    ? Martin

    March 31, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Well, since that was almost certainly to protect the President, and since he’s fine, no harm done.

  29. 29.

    geg6

    March 31, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    I’d fucking go for it, too, given the opportunity. Don’t blame her a bit.

  30. 30.

    Big Ol Hound

    March 31, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    I was so looking forward to “open carry” in Cleveland that now I have lost all interest.

    @Betty Cracker.. This is a great piece of sarcasm

  31. 31.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    As president, I will repeal the anti-rubbing rule by executive order.

  32. 32.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    The convention center is destroyed by a meteor strike that somehow manages to do no damage to the rest of the city.

    God/FSM does not love us that much.

  33. 33.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    This piece in the NYT is pretty interesting, it lists the positions Trump had in 1990 and how they compare with his current campaign. I suppose most people knew how consistent he is but I didn’t.

    Bookended by ads for Trojan condoms and Malibu Ultra Light cigarettes, the lengthy interview in Playboy magazine is a remarkably prophetic document. Twenty-six years ago this month, Donald J. Trump sat down with Glenn Plaskin, a celebrity columnist, and, over a glass of chilled Coke, offered a grievance-filled economic agenda, a searing denunciation of weak-kneed American leadership and a keen understanding of his appeal to blue-collar Americans that uncannily resembled the White House campaign he is waging today — without Twitter, which didn’t yet exist.

    A glossy time capsule, the interview is testament to consistency, stubbornness or stuntedness, depending on your view.

    Below are excerpts from the original interview, along with an analysis of how they stack up against his 2016 message.

    On which Americans would support a hypothetical Trump bid for the White House:

    1990 “The working guy would elect me. He likes me. When I walk down the street, those cabbies start yelling out their windows.”

    2016 The working guy is electing him, state after state, as he marches to the Republican nomination.

    On the aspirational power of his ostentatious wealth — the yacht, towers and planes:

    1990 “Props for the show. … The show is Trump, and it’s sold-out performances everywhere. I’ve had fun doing it and will continue to have fun, and I think most people enjoy it.”

    2016 Now they are props for his campaign, signifying his financial success and voters’ desire to replicate it. Mr. Trump’s gold-plated 757 is a fixation of cable news, its landings and takeoffs chronicled live. And in Iowa, the real estate mogul offered free rides to children aboard his $7 million helicopter.

    On allies taking advantage of America’s generosity:

    1990 “We Americans are laughed at around the world for losing a hundred and fifty billion dollars year after year, for defending wealthy nations for nothing, nations that would be wiped out in about 15 minutes if weren’t for us. Our ‘allies’ are making billions screwing us.”

    2016 He makes precisely the same argument today, wondering why the United States adheres to costly “one-sided” defense agreements with nations like Japan and South Korea — and suggesting that they develop their own nuclear capabilities so America need not rush to their aid.

    Photo

    A page from the Playboy interview with Mr. Trump.
    On whom he would trust to carry out his vision in government:

    1990 “I think if we had people from the business community — the Carl Icahns, the Ross Perots — negotiating some of our foreign policy, we’d have respect around the world.”

    2016 On this, Mr. Trump is strikingly consistent, right down to his mention of Mr. Icahn, a billionaire corporate raider, as an archetypal negotiator. Mr. Trump still names him as a future member of his cabinet.

    On the lameness of previous presidents:

    1990 “We’re still suffering from a loss of respect that goes back to the Carter administration, when helicopters were crashing into one another in Iran. That was Carter’s emblem. There he was, being carried off from a race, needing oxygen. I don’t want my president to be carried off a racecourse. I don’t want my president landing on Austrian soil and falling down the stairs of his airplane. Some of our presidents have been incredible jerk-offs. We need to be tough.”

    2016 In only slightly more polite terms, Mr. Trump makes the same case now: American leaders are “stupid” and “weak” (if better oxygenated), and the country desperately needs his no-nonsense, bruising style. A favorite line on the stump still echoes from 1990: “We gotta be tough.”

    On his lust for the counterpunch:

    1990 “When somebody tries to sucker-punch me, when they’re after my ass, I push back a hell of a lot harder than I was pushed in the first place. If somebody tries to push me around, he’s going to pay a price. Those people don’t come back for seconds. I don’t like being pushed around or taken advantage of.”

    2016 This presciently summarized Mr. Trump’s debate style throughout the 2016 campaign: Criticize me and I will pulverize you. Just ask “low-energy” Jeb Bush, “Little Marco” (better known as Senator Marco Rubio of Florida) and “Lyin Ted” (Senator Ted Cruz of Texas), whose attempts to mock Mr. Trump drew his unyielding wrath.

    On the loyalty he shows to staff members, and they to him:

    1990 “I have had the same people working for me for years. Rarely does anybody leave me.”

    2016 That boast applies this year, to Mr. Trump’s peril, in the case of his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who has been charged with battery in Jupiter, Fla., accused of grabbing a reporter at a rally. Mr. Trump, saying he does not “discard people,” is standing by Mr. Lewandowski.

    On what it would take to make him run for president:

    1990 “I don’t want to be president. I’m 100 percent sure. I’d change my mind only if I saw this country continue to go down the tubes.”

    2016 Apparently, it did.

  34. 34.

    scav

    March 31, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Roger Moore: As though a sympathy-vote win by any of their even more obscure talents from the deep bench is going to be in any fashion more sane or healthy.

  35. 35.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    HOLLYWOOD — (Variety) Hillary Clinton to star in remake of “The Unsinkable Molly Brown”

  36. 36.

    Davis X. Machina

    March 31, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @PaulWartenberg2016: No, plan C (or D, or F) is Rand Paul — his ‘dope, drones and domestic surveillance’ campaign will pull in all the kids who are presently carrying Bernie!

    The youngs go for that kind of thing.

  37. 37.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    March 31, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @geg6:

    Thing is, the Electoral system encourages the existence of two large parties. The brief period with just the Democrats (1816 – 1832) was something of an aberration where the one party was so huge it held a diverse array of opinions and leaders to promote them. And while the Whigs fell apart, it did fracture into two / three factions from which the Republicans were able to find fertile ground for growth four years later.

    I doubt the Republican party itself will die. The organization itself still has a lot of power at the state-regional level (and it’s too much hassle nowadays to build a party from scratch). What’s going to happen is a major internal fight between the increasingly out-of-touch Far Right and the more Pragmatic centrists looking to rebuild the Moderate/Eisenhower wing of the party.

  38. 38.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    March 31, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    Trump cannot fail. He can only be failed.

  39. 39.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    March 31, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Davis X. Machina:

    …Rand Paul couldn’t last longer than his old man in these fights.

    He doesn’t appeal to anybody outside of the Republican Youth Atlas Shrugged Fanfic Club.

  40. 40.

    Betty Cracker

    March 31, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @redshirt: Yes. I think he’d be easiest for HRC to beat.

  41. 41.

    tsquared2001

    March 31, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @Politically Lost: And ALL of it on TV. It will make the GOP look back at the Houston convention in ’92 with distinct fondness

  42. 42.

    hueyplong

    March 31, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Trump definitely does not yet have this.

    But that might increase — not decrease — the number of Schadenfreudelicious scenarios for us to watch unfold.

    If these guys could for one second walk the walk, it would be an open carry wild west show in that arena. But open carry in this context imperils Republicans instead of Skittle-carrying nonwhite youth, so of course they’re in favor of gun control.

  43. 43.

    Felonius Monk

    March 31, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @Yutsano:

    And the GOP will never be the same.

    From your lips (or keyboard) to God’s ears.

  44. 44.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Of course the question isn’t who will be easier to beat, rather who will do more damage to down ballot races.

    Trump will be a lethal does of anthrax around the necks of blue state republicans. It’s 1964 Redux. With Trump’s recent comments on using nuclear weapons Hillary can even run a Daisy ad. (photo)

  45. 45.

    Davebo

    March 31, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @TaMara (BHF):

    I never considered that companies would sponsor political conventions.

    Is that whacked or what?

  46. 46.

    Mark B

    March 31, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    I don’t know, I think we might end up with the execrable Cruz as the Republican nominee. He’s much worse, in my opinion, although it’s like a choice between ebola and gangrene.

  47. 47.

    Amir Khalid

    March 31, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    Trump couldn’t lose this nomination if he tried, and he has been trying.

  48. 48.

    Amir Khalid

    March 31, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @Davebo:
    Doesn’t corporate sponsorship of a party event count as a political contribution?

  49. 49.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Trump couldn’t lose this nomination if he tried, and he has been trying.

    He has been very trying.

    ETA: Also too, the peasants are revolting.

  50. 50.

    Ben Cisco

    March 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    @p.a.:

    Has anyone in the national media commented on the Rethug inconsistency of claiming they DON’T want to prosecute women who have abortions?

    BWAHAAHAAHAAHAA!!!!

    (gasp)

    BWAHAAHAAHAAAAA!!!!!

    Wait, was that rhetorical or were you –

    BWAHAAHAAHAAA!!!!!

  51. 51.

    Daulnay

    March 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Betty,

    I think Trump actually does have it. There are solid reasons for the Repubs to back him, if they can hold their noses long enough. Lots of good reasons not to, the same as ours for not wanting him as President. The Republicans lining up behind Trump would be a victory of partisan advantage over their duty as citizens to keep the Republic functioning and Constitutional government alive.

    Pew’s breakdown of the citizenry in their Political Typology from 2014 shows a lot of detail about the political landscape. You can pick key parts of the Trumpenproleteriat out of the typology, they are the Hard-Pressed Skeptics and the Bystanders, each about 10% of the electorate. Both groups have been on the sidelines, the Skeptics because they mistrust both parties, and the Bystanders because they are disinterested.

    Trump is drawing some of the Bystanders because he is a celebrity. The Bystanders are the only group with a very high interest in celebrity news, and he is probably the only candidate that would appeal to them. The Skeptics have become one-issue voters, and it’s immigration. In the 2012 election, they went hard for Obama.

    All of this is in the data from the Pew analysis. Other than these two groups, the other voting groups are split pretty much 50/50 between Democrats and Republicans, with three groups less partisan than the 3 core groups. If both parties can each keep the 3 groups that usually lean their way, the outcome depends on the Skeptics and the Outsiders. That’s a Trump victory.

    However, I don’t think Trump will keep the usual Republican-leaning groups in the coalition. Some will stay at home, and others (the Young Outsiders) will bolt to the Dems. Especially if there’s a bitter floor fight.

  52. 52.

    Roger Moore

    March 31, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Davebo:

    I never considered that companies would sponsor political conventions.

    They’ve been sponsoring them for a while now; they just haven’t wanted to do the branding part of the deal.

  53. 53.

    SarahT

    March 31, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Your art roolz like Ozzy.

  54. 54.

    Amir Khalid

    March 31, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer:
    Agreed.

  55. 55.

    tsquared2001

    March 31, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @SFAW: The Base (all about That Base) will never accept Eddie Munster. He is wrong on trade, wrong on immigrants and the Base thinks he is a complete punk when it comes to opposing The Kenyan Usurper.

  56. 56.

    Ben Cisco

    March 31, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016: i think the GOP base is perfectly capable of (and perfectly primed to) engage in all manner of violence, either if/when Trump doesn’t get the nom, or when he gets his ass handed to him in the general. That, and the fact that a lot of states are still in a GOP headlock, makes for some uneasy thoughts…

  57. 57.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    But remember. 1968, so both sides.

  58. 58.

    gogol's wife

    March 31, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    OT, but I love this nun who’s introducing the TCM banned movies series.

  59. 59.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    Wendi Deng, who was married to Rupert Murdoch for 14 years before leaving him for war criminal Tony Blair, is now dating Vladimir Putin.

    I guess Eva Braun was unavailable.

  60. 60.

    redshirt

    March 31, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: No way!

  61. 61.

    rikyrah

    March 31, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    I believe that he believes that the only way to repair the damage done to his brand is to win the nomination outright, or get close enough so that they have to steal it away.

  62. 62.

    rikyrah

    March 31, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
    Truth is always stranger than fiction

  63. 63.

    p.a.

    March 31, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Sometimes you hear it in your head and just go with it no matter how foolish… ;-(

  64. 64.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 31, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Trump doesn’t have it to the same degree that Hillary Clinton has it. But if it’s not Trump, it will almost certainly be Ted Cruz.

    We can debate all night who is more horrible, and Cruz is still slightly more nationally popular than Trump. But he should also be thoroughly beatable, and we will have the wrath of Trump from the peanut gallery as well (though I have my doubts that he could mount a credible third-party campaign with ballot access that could get a significant amount of the general election vote unless he starts well before the convention, he could still stir up some trouble by demanding write-ins).

    The scenario where it’s neither Trump nor Cruz gives us a probably stronger Republican candidate, but also even more chaos.

  65. 65.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    Oh my, I’m soooo scared I may wet my pants.

  66. 66.

    NickM

    March 31, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    I am very much pro choice, but I don’t get the upset about what Trump said on the Republican side. If abortion is murder of a child, how is going to a provider to get one different than hiring a hitman to kill your child, morally, and if they enact their preferred laws, legally? Is the only problem that it isn’t expedient to say so? It’s hard to believe they can’t come up with anything better than that. It gives the lie to all their bullshit about an American holocaust, doesn’t it? Can’t they see that?

  67. 67.

    Daulnay

    March 31, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @NickM:
    They argue that the mother is a ‘victim’ of the abortion as well, in order to make their stance politically palatable.
    Going full Taliban would lose them votes.

  68. 68.

    tsquared2001

    March 31, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I think Donnie does want out.

    It was a fling, a money making, brand enhancing lark and then the shit got completely out of hand like Glen Close in Fatal Attraction.

  69. 69.

    SarahT

    March 31, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @rikyrah: Seconded.

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 31, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I didn’t know she had been with Blair, which only interests me because he the thing that is very much not like the others.

  71. 71.

    dmsilev

    March 31, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    paving the way for the GOP to nominate someone who can impersonate a sane person more convincingly.

    Apparently there’s a rule in the GOP Convention rulebook that says that only people who have won a majority of delegates in at least 8 states can be considered for the nomination; we can thank Mitt Romney’s fear of Ron Paulian shenanigans for that, but it means that the two available choices are Trump and Cruz.

    Or “the Establishment” changing the rules in the proverbial smoke-filled back room to let someone else in. That’ll go over well with the StormTrumpers…

  72. 72.

    Ben Cisco

    March 31, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @raven: OK, now that’s funny. Can’t think of anyone on this blog I’d think would be less scared than you.

  73. 73.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer:

    Hey! When did you change your nym?

    Love it! But remember, it also needs to go on your resume.

  74. 74.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    The funniest part of the wingnut worship of Putin is that he’s tiny little pipsqueak.

    (photo #1)

    (photo #2)

    He’s worse than Lil’ Marco

  75. 75.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @tsquared2001:

    and then the shit got completely out of hand like Glen Close in Fatal Attraction.

    Now if we can only convince Drumpf to boil Cruz and Ryan and Kasich, the analogy would be perfect. Hell, if he could even just hip-check them out of a 50th-floor window, that would be OK.

  76. 76.

    JMG

    March 31, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    Trump is unpopular in a roughly 1:2 favorabililty ratio
    Clinton is unpopular in a roughly 4:5 ratio.
    Each of those has more than 95 percent of the public with an opinion.
    Cruz is unpopular in a ratio about 7:10, with about a sixth undecided.
    We’ve all seen Cruz. Think those undecideds will decide they like him?

  77. 77.

    Van Buren

    March 31, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    CNN just fluffed Trump for being so brave as to face Chris Matthews, that well known lefty leftwing leftist who is just so tough on candidates that all others quaked in their shoes, afraid to face the brutal suckerpunching journalist who subjects them to harsh interrogation methods and such.

  78. 78.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Alex Jones is calling for 5 million Trump supporters to stage counter protests in Cleveland.

    What could go wrong with that?

  79. 79.

    Heliopause

    March 31, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Trump’s not going to blow this thing, is he?

    Which, the GOP or the general? Based on the past nine months experience I would never assume the former, and the latter was never his to blow.

    I’m afraid he’s going to flame out before clinching the nomination, paving the way for the GOP to nominate someone who can impersonate a sane person more convincingly.

    If it’s Cruz, he’s almost indistinguishable from Trump in terms of electability and insanity. The one you need to worry about is Kasich, he’s won 10 straight hypothetical matchups with Clinton, some of them by double digits.

  80. 80.

    p.a.

    March 31, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @Daulnay: Yes according them female =/= rational, competent moral actor.

  81. 81.

    River Wolfe

    March 31, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    Thank goodness I’m not the only one worried about a Trump fizzle! I was a bit ashamed of myself for hoping he’s the nominee. Great post.
    Show your support with style!
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/democraticjewelry

  82. 82.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 31, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    Don’t worry, Betty. Even if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, he will burn their house down and salt the earth.

    I am home from the tapas and wine bar and fear no evil.

  83. 83.

    smith

    March 31, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    The old saying was that Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line. The Berniebros are carrying on the fine old Dem tradition, but this time the Trumpanzees are doing it too. They will not fall in line, their love for the Orange One is not fungible, and in fact they are not really Republicans in any traditional sense. For that reason, it matters not a whit what happens to Trump — he could win the nom outright, he could try to negotiate at a brokered convention, he could have a fatal stroke, he could humbly withdraw his name from contention, he could move to a desert island and declare it the United States of Trumpsylvania, he could have a full-blown nervous breakdown on national TV, and his supporters will still have a major, irremediable, possibly fatal impact on the Republican Party. Driving sane voters away? Abstaining from voting? Writing in Trump? Rioting and bloodshed? Who knows? They’re gonna do what they’re gonna do and really all the rest of us can do is look on in wonder

  84. 84.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 31, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Here’s another for your collection.

  85. 85.

    Keith G

    March 31, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    …the woman who led Obama in a sultry tango last week at a State Dinner had been expressly forbidden from rubbing her harlot body against him, and she did it anyway.

    Can’t help but picture Mara Godoy channeling Madeline Kahn, “It’s twue, twue….”

  86. 86.

    tsquared2001

    March 31, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @SFAW: I like the way you think – is there a newsletter I can subscribe to?

  87. 87.

    p.a.

    March 31, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer:

    change your nym?

    Is that from last night’s thread? Do you have a signature rubout?

  88. 88.

    low-tech cyclist

    March 31, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    Due to Rule 40, it’s almost sure to be either Trump or Cruz; nobody else is going to win a majority of the delegates in 8 states or more, and they (with ~3/4 of the delegates) will be united against any rule change that allows anyone else to win. And once the rules are set that it has to be one of them, then the two of them can battle it out without having to worry about Kasich or Ryan or whoever.

  89. 89.

    gogol's wife

    March 31, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Are you kidding?

  90. 90.

    JMG

    March 31, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    He’s far from done. Polling suggests he’ll win so big in New York it might be all his. New Jersey’s likely to be the same. The current sort-of-stalemate with Trump ahead is likely to last until the convention.

  91. 91.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Keith G: FTW

  92. 92.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 31, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @low-tech cyclist: And due to Rule 34, the fighting will get… dirty… indeed.

  93. 93.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @p.a.:

    Is that from last night’s thread?

    One would assume so.

    Do you have a signature rubout?

    She does, but that would be kissing and telling. Uh, make that “killing and telling.” And besides, she’s much too classy and dignified to do that. She’s more into kneecapping the transgressors. Oh, and she seems to talk a lot about “enthusiasms.”

  94. 94.

    Chip Daniels

    March 31, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    The howling Orc army that Trump has unleashed won’t go anywhere, even if his plane went down tomorrow.

    They will demand fealty from whatever nutjob is offered up, and every single one will fall to their knees and offer up the Trumpian manifesto of ethnic rage and fear.

    Just how many Americans will find this soothing/ delightful or terrifying/ disgusting is still open to question.

  95. 95.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @Chip Daniels: Fuck em.

  96. 96.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    And due to Rule 34, the fighting will get… dirty… indeed.

    Just remember: There is NO Rule #6!

  97. 97.

    tsquared2001

    March 31, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death, I will fear no tapas and where the fuck is the waitress with more wine?

    Of course, THAT Psalm was edited out of the King James version.

  98. 98.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Here’s a linky explaining it.

  99. 99.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 31, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Apparently there’s a rule in the GOP Convention rulebook that says that only people who have won a majority of delegates in at least 8 states can be considered for the nomination; we can thank Mitt Romney’s fear of Ron Paulian shenanigans for that, but it means that the two available choices are Trump and Cruz.

    Not yet, comrade (isn’t that how we lefties address each other?)–Cruz has not won eight states.

    He may eventually, but Kasich sure won’t.

  100. 100.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    March 31, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @p.a.: It’s just below the line feed key.

    HTH!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  101. 101.

    Davebo

    March 31, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Interesting because despite the veneered teeth and decent body Deng just isn’t that attractive to me.

    Maybe she really is brilliant.

    (I have some experience with brilliant Chinese girls, most of it bad)

  102. 102.

    dr. bloor

    March 31, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Wendi Deng, who was married to Rupert Murdoch for 14 years before leaving him for war criminal Tony Blair, is now dating Vladimir Putin.

    She has to get to Helle Thorning-Schmidt at some point, right?

    Asking for a friend.

  103. 103.

    Mary G

    March 31, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    I think Trump’s gotten far enough along to get the nom, even though Cruz’s looking like he’s going to win Wisconsin. If all his prior statements haven’t hurt him with his supporters, this week’s won’t either. They probably admire the tough talk about the Geneva conventions hamstringing our brave soldiers and putting the uppity women in their place. The current poll averages show him winning New York, Pennsylvania, and California, which is a big haul in delegates. Of course, a lot can happen in two months.

  104. 104.

    Robert Sneddon

    March 31, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: It’s a tango. Saying “no body contact” is like saying “I won’t come in your mouth”. A really good tango leaves at least one of the dancers pregnant through osmosis.

  105. 105.

    Amir Khalid

    March 31, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @Heliopause:
    If the Republicans take the nom from The Donald and hand it to bronze (not even silver!) medallist Kasich, he could have The Donald to contend with (not necessarily as a rival candidate, but as a heckler capable of doing great damage) as well as Hillary.

  106. 106.

    dr. bloor

    March 31, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Have to disagree there. Only his resemblance to Tony Banks allowed him to get away with a good deal of sociopathic, self-interested bullshit.

  107. 107.

    dr. bloor

    March 31, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @Robert Sneddon:

    Saying “no body contact” is like saying “I won’t come in your mouth”.

    Something you’d expect the Secret Service to be aware of.

  108. 108.

    ET

    March 31, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): If I was running a big corp I wouldn’t want to be be withing 100 miles of that convention or be openly associated with it.

  109. 109.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @Davebo: I know what you mean. The historical antecedent I can think of is Wallis Simpson. (photo) She’s was okay. But it wasn’t like she was Vivien Leigh. Yet she had Joachim von Ribbentrop and King Edward VIII wrapped around her finger.

  110. 110.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 31, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @tsquared2001: I am a much nicer person after a glass of wine. It only takes one. I am a cheap date.

  111. 111.

    Mike J

    March 31, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @JMG: @JMG:

    Trump is unpopular in a roughly 1:2 favorabililty ratio
    Clinton is unpopular in a roughly 4:5 ratio.
    Each of those has more than 95 percent of the public with an opinion.
    Cruz is unpopular in a ratio about 7:10, with about a sixth undecided.
    We’ve all seen Cruz. Think those undecideds will decide they like him?

    There’s been a lot of talk about Republicans possibly nominating Romney or Ryan at a contested convention, but both under perform a generic Republican candidate. Romney is incredibly unpopular nationally now- his 23/65 favorability rating is even worse than the 29/63 Trump comes in at. Clinton (45/32) and Sanders (48/31) each lead Romney by double digit margins. Ryan would trail Clin

  112. 112.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 31, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    Also Betty, Digby has a video taken by Floridians out for a walk who ran into a panther. I’d put the clip here but I don’t know how.

  113. 113.

    Davebo

    March 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Well, as I implied, intellect can be very seductive.

    Or maybe I’m just old…

  114. 114.

    starscream

    March 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    You guys are underestimating how much they genuinely hate us. It will bind them together once the convention is over, no matter who comes out the winner. Thoughts of the party’s complete demise are wishful thinking.

  115. 115.

    Heliopause

    March 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Sure, but that’s just speculation at this point. And the Dems will have a disaffected wing of the party problem of their own to deal with.

  116. 116.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @dr. bloor: Nah. Obama has got dibbs on her.

    (photo 1)

    (photo 2)

  117. 117.

    p.a.

    March 31, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: damned virtual keyboard!

  118. 118.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Go to the video, copy the url, paste it in the box.

  119. 119.

    Aleta

    March 31, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    Paid media vs Free (press) media

    Bush $82 million $214 million

    Rubio $55 million $204 million

    Cruz $22 million $313 million

    Sanders $28 million $321 million

    Clinton $28 million $746 million (much of it negative, related to her email)

    Trump $10 million $1.9 billion

    Not mentioned is how much of Trump’s free media has been negative, but at least in the beginning, his poll numbers kept rising despite negative press.

    From the same article, by Michael Tomasky

    Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now?… The money’s rolling in and this is fun…. I’ve never seen anything like this, and this is going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going. Donald’s place in this election is a good thing.

    CBS head Les Moonve, speaking at a Morgan Stanley Conference
    (He Paid media vs Free (press) media

    Bush $82 million $214 million

    Rubio $55 million $204 million

    Cruz $22 million $313 million

    Sanders $28 million $321 million

    Clinton $28 million $746 million (much of it negative, related to her email)

    Trump $10 million $1.9 billion

    Not mentioned is how much of Trump’s free media has been negative, but at least in the beginning, his his poll numbers kept rising despite negative press.

    From the same article, by Michael Tomasky

    Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now?… The money’s rolling in and this is fun…. I’ve never seen anything like this, and this is going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going. Donald’s place in this election is a good thing.

    CBS head Les Moonve (make 60 million a year) speaking at a Morgan Stanley Conference
    (Moonve makes $60 million a year.)

    What bugs me is, the higher the stakes as perceived by each side, and the tighter the race, and the greater the suspense and agony on all sides, the more profit to the media and to the full time political consultants and image manipulators. And the more money desperate individuals on all sides feel compelled to give. They all have incentive to sensationalize, it’s part of sustaining their jobs.

  120. 120.

    Roger Moore

    March 31, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Alex Jones is calling for 5 million Trump supporters to stage counter protests in Cleveland.

    What could go wrong with that?

    Other than Cleveland being completely unprepared to deal with the metropolitan population more than tripling?

  121. 121.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 31, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @low-tech cyclist:

    Due to Rule 40, it’s almost sure to be either Trump or Cruz

    Rule 40 is some words on a piece of paper. They can easily get rid of it if they want to.

  122. 122.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @SFAW:

    Hey! When did you change your nym?

    Just last night, at the suggestion of a commenter. Not sure I’m going to keep it, though. I’m just kind of trying it out, taking it for a test spin.

  123. 123.

    Aleta

    March 31, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Sorry, don’t know why that comment doubled when I tried to edit it, and now it won’t let me edit it at all.

    If a moderator could delete the doubled part in the middle, I’d be grateful.

  124. 124.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Dave Weigel got fat and old and has a 70s adult film look now.

  125. 125.

    Mike in NC

    March 31, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    If Drumpf and his brownshirts don’t have this nomination in the bag soon, there’ll be hell to pay in Cleveland.

  126. 126.

    hamletta

    March 31, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Yeah, no, I’m not buying the Wendi Deng–Tony Blair thing. She wrote some kind of note to herself about how hot he is, but I haven’t seen any indication it went any further.

  127. 127.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 31, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @raven:

    ETA: Oh I see what you mean. It’s just a link. But it doesn’t run. Oh well, it’s at Digby.

  128. 128.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @Baud: Something is wrong with him.

  129. 129.

    PsiFighter37

    March 31, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    Just enjoy the dumpster fire while it burns so orangely.

    Bernie is he one who is pissing me off. He basically came out and said he wouldn’t support downticket races. Fucker can go and take his revolution back to the land of white hippies and kindly not show his face again on national TV.

  130. 130.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @raven:

    Is that your opinion or do you know something about him that would make me feel bad about what I said?

  131. 131.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Link?

  132. 132.

    Davebo

    March 31, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    Once again the media says this time it will hurt Trump.

    When will they learn. Leaving aside the fact that Cruz and Kasich said essentially the same thing.

    Short of blurting out that Ronald Reagan was a homosexual I don’t see anything hurting the Trumpster.

  133. 133.

    Brendancalling

    March 31, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @p.a.: it was addressed today on NPR’s “The Takeaway.

  134. 134.

    Chris

    March 31, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    Trump’s got this thing, right? Right?!?!?!?

    God, I hope so. Because if not, it’s Ted Cruz who’s in.

    Not that I necessarily think Cruz, individually, would be worse than Trump. (Not that I think he’d be better, either…) But the establishment doesn’t hate Cruz with the heat of a thousand supernovas as they do Trump, and that means we’ll be facing a more unified Republican Party in the general. It’ll also mean they’ll be able to write off Trump as the fluke they so desperately want him to be.

    Trump is tearing the Republican Party apart, and he’ll do it much more effectively if he’s the nominee. Please, please, let it be him.

  135. 135.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @SFAW:

    I love how you know me better than I know myself.

  136. 136.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @Baud: I was looking at him. It wasn’t just fat, that red face and growth on his forehead are a sure giveaway.

  137. 137.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 31, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @Davebo:

    I have some experience with brilliant Chinese girls, most of it bad

    So you went to Harvard?

  138. 138.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    Rachel has people behind her. It looks creepy.

  139. 139.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Or saw the Wedding Banquet.

  140. 140.

    hamletta

    March 31, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I don’t think the eight-state rule means you have to get your delegates via election. The way I’m reading it, you can pick them up at the convention:

    Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

  141. 141.

    Glaukopis

    March 31, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer: I like it.

  142. 142.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer:

    Just last night, at the suggestion of a commenter.

    What kind of asshole would call you a “mob enforcer”?

    ETA: But you should still keep it.

  143. 143.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @Baud: It’s a picture. The close up shot made it look like they were in her audience.

  144. 144.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @Baud: Put down the bong and step backwards. . .

  145. 145.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer:

    I love how you know me better than I know myself.

    OK, now I’m gonna blush.

  146. 146.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @SFAW: Someone from Taylor Street.

  147. 147.

    Peale

    March 31, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    He just needs an Mexican to murder someone and he’s back on top.

  148. 148.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 31, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    Given Trump’s base, I don’t see any of those incidents hurting him much.

    Whatever happens, bear in mind we’ve never seen this before. This is not business as usual. This shit has not happened at least in the last 40 years.

    @Daulnay:
    I’m sorry, but that’s an analysis of the 2014 electorate. Studies of this electorate show that Trump’s base are solid Republican voters who do not normally vote in primaries. Many of them are registered Democrats who have voted Republican since Reagan. They are none of the groups you’ve described, and they are not motivated by the issues you’ve described. This is the racists in the Republican Party finally getting the open racist hate speech they’ve been begging for in a candidate.

  149. 149.

    Aleta

    March 31, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Aleta: Or instead, could a moderator just delete the above comment with the unexpected growth on its forehead ? THX.

  150. 150.

    hamletta

    March 31, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Baud: It was on Rachel Maddow. TPM has the story w/video:

    Host Rachel Maddow said rival Hillary Clinton has been fundraising for her campaign as well as the Democratic Party. Will the Sanders campaign begin this type of fundraising as well, Maddow asked.

    “We’ll see,” Sanders said. “Right now, our focus is on winning the nomination.”

  151. 151.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @raven:

    Someone from Taylor Street.

    I don’t get the ref.

  152. 152.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @hamletta: Thanks.

  153. 153.

    Mike J

    March 31, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @Baud:

    MADDOW: Well, obviously your priority is the nomination, but I mean you raised Secretary Clinton there. She has been fundraising both for the nomination and for the Democratic Party. At some point, do you think — do you foresee a time during this campaign when you’ll start doing that?

    SANDERS: Well, we’ll see. And, I mean right now, again, our focus is on winning the nomination. … So let’s take it one step at a time.

  154. 154.

    Chris

    March 31, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @PaulWartenberg2016:

    What’s going to happen is a major internal fight between the increasingly out-of-touch Far Right and the more Pragmatic centrists looking to rebuild the Moderate/Eisenhower wing of the party.

    Isn’t that a little optimistic? None of these people are interested in making peace between the Republican Party and the New Deal again. At most, they’re a little uncomfortable with all the racial shit and tired of humoring the God-botherers.

  155. 155.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @Mike J: Thanks.

  156. 156.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    @SFAW:

    The Taylor Street Dukes were a notorious street gang that had a presence in the Al Capone-Organized Crime era. Also in this Tommy Gun era were other White gangs such as; 42 gang and Grand Avenue Nobles.

    The ethic makeup of the Taylor Street Dukes, and then later, the Taylor Street Jousters was primarily Italian.

  157. 157.

    bk

    March 31, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    @PaulWartenberg2016:

    the more Pragmatic centrists looking to rebuild the Moderate/Eisenhower wing of the party.

    Who dat?

  158. 158.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    @Baud:
    @raven:
    @raven:

    I’m not sure I even know what he looks like, or is supposed to look like. I tried google image and it only brought up his avatar, which is a picture of (I’m pretty sure) Thomas Dewey. So now I need to find out what y’all are talking about. Link?

  159. 159.

    sinnedbackwards

    March 31, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I sort of remember what day it is in England.

  160. 160.

    SFAW

    March 31, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @raven:

    Thanks

  161. 161.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer: Here’s a shot with his face fucked up.

  162. 162.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @SFAW: Taylor St runs through SiubhanDuinne’s hometown.

  163. 163.

    Elie

    March 31, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    There is going to be a catastrophic event that will prevent Trump from being the nominee — whether it is actually awarded at some point and then has to be rescinded or some such,we will see. This guy is not going in the right direction for a serious contendah… It will be interesting to see when everyone finally agrees that he is unworkable in any way. I love watching the Republican Party with its ice axes fully dug in as they slide and watching their drag marks into the crevace — taking some of the media with them. Tsk,tsk,tsk…. and this late in the season when there is probably a lot of water rushing underneath the glacier, carrying the flailing victims to … a long way away….

  164. 164.

    Davebo

    March 31, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    No. But she went to Tulane law.

    But honestly, I think it was the body more than anything. The intellect was just a nice bonus.

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    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @Elie: Nice Trotsky reference.

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    goblue72

    March 31, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @PaulWartenberg2016:

    and the more Pragmatic centrists looking to rebuild the Moderate/Eisenhower wing of the party

    They already did that – its called the Democratic Party.

  167. 167.

    piratedan

    March 31, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    the GOP will slog on, because they’ll continue to get huge infusion of money from the guys who want to make sure that it is never taxed to provide any benefit to anyone else. Now, will those tribal members recognize that it is simply a parody off its former self… who the hell knows, tribalism is strong and not even a hateful scumbag like Cruz or an insecure megalomaniac like Trump can cause them to break away because for whatever reasons, Hillary being a Demoncrat, giving away their hard earned tax dollars to the unworthy is an abomination that they can’t tolerate, despite all of the bs any GOPer may perform, up to deflowering their daughters on their front porches with the cameras rolling. I have family members that I consider good people who donate to charity, do good works who have so ingrained the message that a bridge too far is giving anyone any assistance with their tax dollars is what is destroying this country.

  168. 168.

    Betty Cracker

    March 31, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Was it on a boardwalk? If so, I saw it at another site. I’ve been to that place — Corkscrew Swamp. Great place for birdwatching. I would have definitely pissed myself if that panther ran at me like that (if it’s the same vid).

  169. 169.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    Chuck Todd said Sanders is outspending Clinton 6 to 1 in Wisconsin.

    But he says if Sanders doesn’t equal Obama’s 2008 18 pt victory in Wisconsin then it will be a moot victory.

  170. 170.

    Uncle Cosmo

    March 31, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    @dmsilev: Read this article. It’s Rule 40(b) from the 2012 convention, apparently still in force:

    Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

    In fact this is “subject to possible revision by a new Rules Committee meeting just prior to the 2016 gathering, and by the convention itself, which controls its own rules.”

    Looks as if the fight over this rule–or more generally, over the question of whose name(s) will qualify to be “presented for nomination”–will be where the real action is.

    The whole mishegoss reminds me of the 1972 Democratic convention, where the key struggle centered around which delegates would be seated to represent Illinois and California; had McGovern not won both of those fights he would not have had a majority on the first ballot & almost surely would not have been nominated. (The CA question went to a roll-call vote on the convention floor–I remember watching it on TV as a 22-year-old political junkie fully understanding what the stakes were.)

  171. 171.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    March 31, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Drum points us to speculation that Ryan’s days as Speaker may be numbered. Doesn’t sound like he’s going to be the GOP savior. (That never sounded plausible to me anyway.)

    I think it’ll be Trump. And then he’ll likely implode after getting the nomination but before the November election.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    March 31, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Yes, that was it! Scary as hell.

  173. 173.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 31, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Mike J:

    “Sanders said he would rather talk about the minimum wage than abortion rights, and Clinton said this is as central an issue as anything else” ~ Rachel Maddow 3.30.16

  174. 174.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    The only one who worries me is Kasich. Don’t tell me he can’t win the primary! He doesn’t have to “win”. There are no rules that can’t be broken :)

    This is nice though:

    Ron Johnson continues to be in deep trouble for reelection. Only 35% of voters approve of him to 42% who disapprove, and he trails Russ Feingold 46/39 in a head to head match up.

  175. 175.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Kay:

    But does anyone want to break the rules for him?

  176. 176.

    Chris

    March 31, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Many of them are registered Democrats who have voted Republican since Reagan. They are none of the groups you’ve described, and they are not motivated by the issues you’ve described. This is the racists in the Republican Party finally getting the open racist hate speech they’ve been begging for in a candidate.

    Yeah, I’ve gotten the impression for a while that the Trump supporters are the “Nixon/Reagan Democrats” (the people who switched parties between the late sixties and early eighties) and that Cruz supporters and the rest of the party are the John Bircher types. Or, if you prefer, the extreme right wingers who used to vote Democrat versus the extreme right wingers who were always Republicans.

    For the Trump supporters, it’s all about race. They don’t really care about economics; they’ll go along with the economic royalism if it promises to screw black people, but they’ll respond equally well to economic populism the way Trump packages it. That corresponds pretty well to all the white Southerners and, in lesser measure, “ethnic white” Catholics, who happily supported the New Dealers as long as they were cool with racism and jumped ship for the Reaganites as soon as they no longer were.

    For the Cruz supporters and the rest of the Republicans, the racism is part of it, but it’s entwined with an entire broader ideology in which things like religious fundamentalism and economic royalism are equally important. That corresponds with the John Birchers or their better-dressed and better-spoken cousins the William F. Buckley types; the die hard true believers who never accepted the New Deal and spent the entire 1950s and 1960s fighting to kill it, even after the dominant wings of both parties and the vast majority of the public had become okay with it.

    All the talk of “extremists” versus “moderates” is off the mark – there are no moderates, just two different factions of equally extreme extremists who’re finally confronting their differences.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    March 31, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    Kasich scares me too because he can sound plausible. Heck, in contrast to Trump and Cruz, he looks plausible.

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    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @Baud:

    I know but Ted Cruz. They hate him too and they know he’ll lose and they’re backing him. They’re tossing around Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan right now. By May they could be at Kasich.

  179. 179.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 31, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
    There was no way they were going to love Ryan. I can’t believe the Teabaggers fell for it long enough to vote him in. Now they can’t get rid of him, the same way they couldn’t get rid of Boehner. Boehner had to quit. He had to beg Ryan to replace him. The Teabaggers didn’t have anybody to replace him, so they couldn’t fire him.

    Particularly pathetic, because Boehner was the best friend they ever had. Without his unprecedented obstructionism in his phony Hastert Rule, the Teabaggers would have been nobody in the House and business would have continued as normal.

  180. 180.

    Betty Cracker

    March 31, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: The poor panther was scared shitless too! Here’s a link to a local news source with the video.

    I recently had a dream that I saw a panther walking down the road in front of my house. It was so real that when I woke up, I panicked for a second, wondering where my dogs were. Never seen a panther in the wild. My husband has, though.

  181. 181.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 31, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    @raven:

    SiubhanDuinne

    She’s a Southsider? Glad to see she overcame a bad childhood to become the awesome chick she is today.

  182. 182.

    Zinsky

    March 31, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    My brother-in-law from Iowa who is very politically connected and is right more often than he is wrong says a Republican insider told him the fix is in and Trump is gonna get booted at the convention and Paul Ryan will be the nominee with Kasich as VP in the ratfuck of the century!

  183. 183.

    Betty Cracker

    March 31, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Kay: That’s my nightmare scenario.

  184. 184.

    raven

    March 31, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Straight West.

  185. 185.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @Kay:

    It’s kind of funny that the GOP would rather lose the White House than support Kasich.

  186. 186.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I’m confident Kay had binders full of scandals on Kasich she can pull out if necessary.

  187. 187.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 31, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @raven: Ah. All I know is from the Union League Club up to Winnetka!

  188. 188.

    Origuy

    March 31, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @Zinsky: The Trumpistas will blame Barack and Hillary for fixing the nomination.

  189. 189.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Big noise.

  190. 190.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @Zinsky: that rumor chain is awfully long.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 31, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @Baud: They might, because he looks and sounds moderate by comparison. He’s not; he’s just as far right as they are and thin-skinned and nasty and sanctimonious. But he knows how to talk without revealing that too overtly. Until someone annoys him. He’s looking really old and worn out up close – and I saw him in the fall of 2015, so he must look worse now.

  192. 192.

    Anya

    March 31, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    No way Trump will lose. He has all the “the bitch had it coming,” “whites are victimized,” “greed is godly” votes.

  193. 193.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    He makes Hillary look like a dove in foreign affairs.

  194. 194.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Especially if Cruz starts to do better v Trump and it starts to come clear to normal people how horrible Cruz is- then Cruz is the problem for the GOP and there’s John Kasich just waiting in the wings.

  195. 195.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @raven:

    Stop me if I’d told you this before, but Tony “Big Tuna” Accardo’s daughter Marie was in my graduating class at Oak Park-River Forest H.S. In the yearbook mock elections, she was voted Most Beautiful Girl. Pretty enough, certainly, but some of us wondered very hard about whether any pressure might have been brought to bear on the editors, or faculty advisor. Just wondering, you understand, not accusing anyone of anything….

  196. 196.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @Kay: Once Cruz is on top, it’ll be hard to dislodge him. He actually has a base which is a large part of the GOP’s base.

  197. 197.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @Baud:

    I love how we’re all counting on them to follow their rules. These are the people who staged a riot to stop vote counting. Paid staff did that.

  198. 198.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @raven:
    @Steve in the ATL:

    Taylor Avenue in Oak Park, not Street. Us mob enforcers get touchy about mixing that shit up.

  199. 199.

    Baud

    March 31, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @Kay: The GOP primary is now the Superbowl of Calvinball. It’s incredible.

  200. 200.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 31, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer: Are you telling me that Chicago is more complex than just Cubs or White Sox?

  201. 201.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Those realer-than-real-life-reality dreams are actually kind of scary. A couple of nights ago I dreamt I had a hamburger at a chain restaurant (I almost never eat burgers) and the bill came to a very precise $206.50. I fussed about it in the dream and left a smaller than normal tip, but it was so real that when I woke up I actually pulled up my bank statement online to make sure I hadn’t incurred some ridiculous expense like that.

  202. 202.

    Keith P.

    March 31, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Trump’s got this thing, right? Right?!?!?!?

    I actually think Trump is in the beginnings of what of the most epic chokes in election history. The last couple of days have been *really* bad, even on the Trump scale (particularly the abortion flip-flop and the nuclear Japan/Europe….so bad the Geneva Conventions bit barely made news and pushed his campaign mgr getting arrested for assault off the news)
    I think Trump gets blown out in Wisconsin, giving the momentum to Cruz, they get a brokered convention where Cruz gets picked, giving Trump a coronary (the only way he doesn’t bolt the party with Lyin’ Ted getting picked over him)

  203. 203.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @Baud:

    I hope so. I’m kind of with Betty. Trump polls horribly head to head. Some of the air is going out of this parade balloon. They wake up from their stupor and there’s..Ted Cruz! “What have we done?” they say.

  204. 204.

    LAO

    March 31, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer: if you ever need a lawyer, I’ve got some experience.

  205. 205.

    Gvg

    March 31, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    Thanks to Betty I have just realized that even though Trump will lose, he isn’t going away for awhile. He’ll be like Palin and the media will run to him for an outrageous statement every time they need to have some controversy. Jerks.

  206. 206.

    Keith P.

    March 31, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Keith P.: BTW: There is also a #NeverCruz movement. I was hanging around some folks last weekend and heard 2nd hand about a political consultant for Rubio saying he would vote for Clinton over Cruz based on….. (there was an implication made about the affairs, but I also took it that the guy just thinks Cruz is generally a scumbag). Surprises the hell out of me because the guy checks off every single box (including being a scumbag. I mean, how the hell was he catching flak for dirty politics? It’s the GOP!) A year ago, I would have almost put money on Cruz-Walker as the ticket, but most conservatives I’ve talked to don’t like the guy….and I live in Texas.

  207. 207.

    SiubhanDuinne, Mob Enforcer

    March 31, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    There are many shibboleths, of which Cubbies vs. White Sox is but one.

    When SCOTUS nominee Merrick Garland met Illinois Senator Mark Kirk a few days ago, Kirk asked “Lou Malnati’s or L. Woods?” Garland, demonstrating his renowned ability to grasp all sides of complex issues, replied “Both.”

  208. 208.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    It is absolutely amazing 20,000 fast food workers did this:

    Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and state legislative leaders announced on Thursday that they had reached a budget agreement that would raise the minimum wage in New York City to $15 by the end of 2018, but initiate slower increases elsewhere, even in the city’s wealthy suburbs.

  209. 209.

    redshirt

    March 31, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @LAO: If you ever need some muscle….

  210. 210.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @Baud:

    After word of Rove’s statement came out, another radio host, Atlanta’s Michael Graham, agreed with Rove. “If US wakes up Tues after Labor Day w/a sane, likable GOP ticket vs Hillary, nobody will care re: process,” Graham tweeted Thursday.

    There’s truth to it. They really want to win.

  211. 211.

    Zinsky

    March 31, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @Baud: True, but we will see, won’t we?

  212. 212.

    Calouste

    March 31, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    I’ve said this on an earlier thread, but the whole fantasies of Ryan/Kasich/Zombie taking over the convention and getting the nomination fail to deal with the rather inconvenient fact that the majority of the delegates at that convention are actually going to be hardcore Trumpentroopers and Cruzinistas, people who are fed up with the establishment and want to see a “real conservative” nominated. It’s not just that they represent those voters, it’s that the delegates themselves are like that as well.

  213. 213.

    cthulhu

    March 31, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Rule 40 is some words on a piece of paper. They can easily get rid of it if they want to.

    As someone pointed out above, the Rules Committee beforehand and the pertinent voting powers that be at the convention will be roughly proportional to the delegate counts. So, if anything, Trump and Cruz will have some initial leverage to prevent moves against them. The establishment’s best bet is to work a stalemate between the two for at least two votes to free up enough independently minded delegates and re-open the rules and expand the options.

    It is not likely to go well. The Obvious Anagram may well have a coronary.

  214. 214.

    Keith P.

    March 31, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Kay: I’m not sure if they can do both sane and likeable. For likeability, I think Paul-Graham would be a helluva ticket (except they probably don’t like each other). For sanity, I’m drawing a blank.

    Actual Lindsey Graham joke: “He [Trump] makes Boehner look like an albino.”

  215. 215.

    Kay

    March 31, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Keith P.:

    I just think the base really wants to win and at some point they will realize that and the anger (Trump) and “principles” (Cruz) will go out the window and they’ll go along with whoever someone in charge tells them can beat Clinton.

    Trump just made up all that shit about his broad appeal. There was never any real basis for it. So much of his appeal depends on his being perceived as a winner and people who are attracted to leaders because they’re “winners” aren’t real loyal when the winner starts to falter.

  216. 216.

    cthulhu

    March 31, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    There is another secondary issue of Trump and Cruz going into the convention where neither has hit the magic number. We’re used to the conventions basically being a “coronation” and a big celebration of the predetermined candidate and the party with a lot of high production values and the elder and up-and-coming class coming together in speech after speech extolling the virtues of both the party and the candidate. Hard to see how this facet gets pulled together effectively under the circumstances. For example, does the RNC produce video biographies for Trump, Cruz, Kasich, Ryan, Romney, etc.?

  217. 217.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    March 31, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    I think establishment GOP is assholish enough to do this. Give Trump the nomination, force him to accept somebody ‘normal’ as Veep. Have Trump go on a helicopter ride. Crash. Veep takes over and wins the WH on wave of sympathy. Yeah,crazy but no crazier than negotiating with the N.Vietnamese and the Ayatollah.

  218. 218.

    kimp

    April 1, 2016 at 3:40 am

    I think this giant “punk” has an it’s course. He never really wanted this office, he just does not want to be irrelevant. the Office would overwhelm him in less than a week.

  219. 219.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 1, 2016 at 8:27 am

    @Calouste:

    the majority of the delegates at that convention are actually going to be hardcore Trumpentroopers and Cruzinistas, people who are fed up with the establishment and want to see a “real conservative” nominated.

    Are they? I’ve been hearing a lot of blatantly contradictory things about this. Some people say they’re mostly party hacks who are lukewarm at best about they candidates they’re representing, others say they’re true believers, still others claim it used to be one way but has changed this year (but in which direction is unclear).

  220. 220.

    Paul in KY

    April 1, 2016 at 9:09 am

    Am somewhat concerned that with Cleveland being a heavily Democratic city, there might be some protests/interactions that would echo Chicago 68.

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