Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

A last alliance of elves and men. also pet photos.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Consistently wrong since 2002

Republicans do not pay their debts.

In my day, never was longer.

Come on, man.

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

Republicans in disarray!

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

I really should read my own blog.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

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From the NYTimes, “Turbulent Race Could Mean Cash Crunch for Republican National Committee”:

Confronted with a prolonged presidential nomination fight and two leading candidates whom donors are uneasy about, the Republican National Committee could be contending with a cash crunch that limits its ability to pour resources into battleground states…

The R.N.C. reported having just over $15 million in the bank at the end of February. But at the close of the last financial reporting period about $4.5 million of that money was restricted to costs such as payments for its headquarters and legal affairs. In 2008, the party had over $21 million on hand at the same point in the race, and more than $23 million in 2012.

The money worries come as many high-level party strategists in Washington and swing states are beginning to worry that the R.N.C. will be unable to fully fund what are called “victory programs,” the money sent to the most competitive states for organizing and get-out-the-vote efforts.

Hard-fought presidential states like Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania also have Republican-held Senate seats up for grabs this year, and the results may determine who controls the Senate…

Mr. Spicer confirmed that the R.N.C. is in discussions with all three Republican presidential campaigns about joint fundraising agreements, as reported by the Washington Post. But Senator Ted Cruz and Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, candidates facing longer odds, may have little incentive to raise funds for the party. And Donald J. Trump has no major fundraising network to turn to, and will have to build from scratch…

Who would ever have suspected that an exhaustively winnowed trio of IGMFY narcissists would be less than interested in providing support to lesser members of “their” party? Or that the GOP donor class, as every individual refines their very special demands, would fail to coalesce around a single candidate?

And if that isn’t enough enjoyment for a Sunday evening, Tim Mak at the Daily Beast reports on “The Secret Movement to Draft General James Mattis for President”:

An anonymous group of conservative billionaires is ready to place their bets on a man dubbed “Mad Dog,” hoping to draft him into the presidential race to confront Donald Trump.

Think of it as a Plan B should Trump be nominated by the Republican Party in Cleveland: swing behind retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis and press him into service yet again as a third-party candidate…

“Everyone is hoping that Ted Cruz pulls it out, but I think a great deal of Republicans would rally behind an American hero if the choice is between Mattis and Trump,” said John Noonan, a former Jeb Bush aide now involved in the project to draft Mattis…

The strategy would not be for Mattis to win, at least at first—the operatives behind this potential bid would only be seeking to deny Trump and Clinton the 270 electoral votes necessary to win the general election outright…

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Apart from checking the popcorn stocks, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the weekend?

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  5. 5.

    NotMax

    Paging Gen. Scott. General James Mattoon Scott, please pick up the red, white and blue courtesy phone…

    :)

  6. 6.

    david10

    JOHN NOONAN? when did Peg become a dragster?
    Wow, wow, wow, replace the candidates everybody hates with someone no ones heard of-but will hate once they get to know him.

  12. 12.

    D58826

    from Huffington

    Sanders said. “I think those issues will tell the American people that in many respects, she may have the experience to be president of the United States. No one can argue that. But in terms of her judgment, something is clearly lacking.”
    In a separate interview that aired Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Sanders again took a swipe at Clinton and her qualifications as president.
    “I have my doubts about what kind of president she would make,” he said.

    Way to go Bernie. Why not just endorse the GOP candidate, whomever it might be.

  13. 13.

    Anya

    @Major Major Major Major: This makes me really angry. Are democratic voters in the south less worthy? Do we not want to build a voting block in the south? These voters also vote for congress and local and state? How can he not see their potential as voters? And does he not need them for the popular vote? What is wrong with this man? He’s just saying the same shit his supporters say.

  17. 17.

    D58826

    @Major Major Major Major: Hmmm. Fla/Va. are southern states and essential to winning in November. And N. Carolina is not out of the question. So that part of his analysis in bunk. But he also just wrote off millions of democrats, many of them African American, whose votes in down ballot contests will be very important.

    Has he lost his mind? Or is it if ‘I can’t win the nomination I’m going to see that Hillary doesn’t win in November’? Maybe I’m reading more into it than there is but it seems like the kind or scorched earth tactics that you use in the general against the other party not the primaries against people who you want to come around and vote for you in November.

  19. 19.

    raven

    But he also just wrote off millions of democrats, many of them African American,

    That’s old business.

  21. 21.

    Mike J

    Josh MarshallVerified account @joshtpm
    Hillary only winning because of conservative states. Sanders winning real states like Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas and Oklahoma.

  23. 23.

    D58826

    @raven: Not part of the revolution??????:-)

    Seriously he is making it hard to say I’ll vote for him in the fall. He is behaving like a 6 year old having a melt down

  24. 24.

    PurpleGirl

    My complex is starting an upgrade of our electric generators; tonight they are turning off the power to all 7 buildings at midnight for 4 hours. I’m not looking forward to this at all. I think I still have some D-cell batteries so I should should have the CD player in the bedroom. I should have checked the heavy duty flashlight sooner too. We’ll see how it goes.

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    I’m still at the point where I can’t remotely believe that if Trump gets the most delegates and votes – by following the rules that they set up..

    that they will go in, change the rules, and give it to the guy who came in SECOND?

    And nobody thinks that there will be ramifications for that?

  31. 31.

    Roger Moore

    @Anya:

    Are democratic voters in the south less worthy? Do we not want to build a voting block in the south? These voters also vote for congress and local and state? How can he not see their potential as voters? And does he not need them for the popular vote? What is wrong with this man?

    A lot of those voters only count for 3/5th of a vote, if you get my drift. Besides, anyone who can’t see how awesome Bernie is obviously doesn’t deserve respect.

    Seriously, though, why is it that Hillary’s votes in Southern states- including some like Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida that have actually given their electoral votes to a Democrat within recent memory- are suspect, while Bernie’s wins in Western states like Wyoming, Idaho, and Kansas that have been blood red for a long time are somehow proof that he’s the bee’s knees?

  35. 35.

    Miss Bianca

    Finally caught some of the Master’s on the teevee machine at one of my favorite taverns post-ride. Who’s the guy who got the hole-in-one? Seth something? Didn’t recognize any of the players’ names, made me realize how much my golf knowledge (pitiful as it ever was) depended on my dad’s habit of watching all the games on TV.

    This evening’s plans include binge-read-finishing “The Warrior’s Apprentice” by Lois McMaster Bujold, who’s like crack to me now (thanks, BJers!), and trying to get some of my own scribbling accomplished.

  36. 36.

    raven

    @Miss Bianca: There have been THREE today.

    “History was made at the Masters on Sunday as three players hit holes-in-one at the 16th hole at Augusta.

    Shane Lowry and Davis Love III ended their Masters week on a high note as both hit aces at the par-three 16th on Sunday, before Louis Oosthuizen added a fortunate third. It is the first time in Masters history that the 16th hole has been aced three times in a single round.”

  37. 37.

    Germy

    Think of it as a Plan B should Trump be nominated by the Republican Party in Cleveland: swing behind retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis and press him into service yet again as a third-party candidate…

    A military coup?

  40. 40.

    D58826

    @smith: An other lily white state that Bernie won is Vermont. I’m not suggesting that he is in any way shape or form a racist but has he ever had to reach out to African American voters in his Vermont elections. If I rememeber he blew off BLM early in the campaign.

  41. 41.

    PsiFighter37

    @Major Major Major Major: Not surprising. Arguing on BMT with folks who are trying to write off the black vote in the South.

    Seems like generally well-off white progressives are just as capable of being racist as poor white conservatives. Who coulda thunk it?

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    @Major Major Major Major: @eclare: I simply do not understand why anyone running for office would make comments that would offend voters in particular geographical areas.

    I was pissed in 2008 when Clinton acted like the caucuses shouldn’t count. Seriously, what part of “you need all the votes you can get, don’t poke groups of voters with a stick do these guys not understand?

  49. 49.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @raven: Might the fluke have anything to do with pin placement? Asked by the person who is not a golfer, of course.

  51. 51.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @D58826: I agree there’s nothing racist about Sanders, but his campaign– I guess Himself, Devine, Weaver, who know who else– seems to be in a closed bubble of ideological self-righteousness with no one to tell them how they might sound to people who aren’t in the bubble. Shades of the Clinton camp in ’08

    @efgoldman: Wasn’t it Norquist who said in 2012, it doesn’t matter if Willard is really a squish, we just need a pen.?

  54. 54.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Miss Bianca: Ya had to note the tavern stop was post-ride, didn’t you? I hope it was a lovely one. Our village had a one stop recycling day today and the I had some boxes for the fabric truck usable and scrap. I managed not to cry when I put 4 never worn show shirts (+ xx worn) in the box with gently used clothing. And a bunch of rub rags and polos that saw better days in the 90s in the scrap box. ::sniff::

    Were you looking for good inexpensive wine? Alias has a 2013 Merlot that got a 93 from Wine Spectator. Which is a hell of a rating for a screwtop bottle of wine. It’s quite good and $9.99 at our little neighborhood wine/beer shop. They sell lots of it.

  55. 55.

    Miss Bianca

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    (waving). Just to let you know I finally met the “free-to-a-good-home” Andalusian cross today. Didn’t ride him, but spent quite a bit of time priddying him up. So far he seems a very quiet, well-behaved gentleman, who needs to fill out and muscle up quite a bit

    ETA: Ha-ha, our posts crossed like *that*! Yes, post-ride was a bit of a lure cast out, I’m afraid. The fellow I rode today is a cousin or nephew or something to California Chrome – gorgeous as all get-out, but *fussy*. He’s going to take a bit of getting used to! (Ach, shirts going begging! Noooo!)

    I’m always looking for a good cheap wine. : )

  57. 57.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I think twitter is mostly just a means of providing links and snark, when it’s not a rage echo chamber, but I think Jamelle Bouie puts it to better use than most

    Jamelle Bouie ‏@ jbouie 2h2 hours ago
    Two thoughts: 1.'”It’s the South” sounds dismissive in large part because Sanders touts wins in the rural West.
    2. The candidate whose theory rests on a political revolution isn’t in a place to handwave away places where his message didn’t suffice.

  58. 58.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @raven: The cluster at 16 is what made me suspect pin placement, which led to speculation on my part that some adjustments might be made on lots of courses to increase the interest from the less technical appreciation for the players’ skill crowd.

    @Miss Bianca: I hope he finds a great home where he can fill out and muscle up – quiet well-behaved gentlemen are not overstocked most places. My brain still can’t get around what his gaits would be given the cross.

  59. 59.

    General Petraeus

    “The Secret Movement to Draft General James Mattis for President”

    What am I, chopped liver?

  61. 61.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Miss Bianca: I love the TBs, and always will, but *fussy* is often the attitude on a good day, LOL. Speaking of Cali Chrome, I’m late to the party, but I was glad to hear Victor won the $10M Dubai Stakes with him last month.

    On request, I can tell my racing prediction stories – I don’t want to bore the golf/slow ball/football fans with that kind of stuff.

  62. 62.

    NR

    @rikyrah: Fortunately for the Republicans, there is a candidate running who will unify the GOP after it blows up at the convention: Hillary Clinton.

  63. 63.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @NotMax: James Mattoon Scott was a very handsome, highly charismatic individual. Mattis is a boring version of General Buck Turgidson.

  64. 64.

    Miss Bianca

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Hey I think sportsball of all varieties is fair play here. I glaze over on the Big Ten/College Basketball stuff, so why *not* cause a little eye-glazing of our own?

    (is it cool to bring up here that my mother used to say, regarding such personal preferences, “that’s what makes horse races”?)

  65. 65.

    Chyron HR

    @NR:

    Waaaah! Why is it legal for that bitch to run against Bernie and win?

    Life’s rough, kid.

  70. 70.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Miss Bianca: I watched the 2004 Belmont at the NC fairgrounds, in a roomful of strangers hoping to see history. Shortly before post time, man looked at me and said “we’re gonna see a Triple Crown!!” I quietly said, “I think it’s highly doubtful,” and I thought they wer going to run me out of the room with fists flying, as if I’d insulted them all. Many laughed at me – ” like she knows anything about horses or racing LOL.”
    Once the race started, we all watched intently. Close to the wire, as you recall, Smarty Jones still held the lead and the first guy turned to ma and said “This is great – and you were wrong.” I shrugged.

    Most of them looked at me “How did you know?” I told them honestly – I had an equal chance of being right or wrong. But the Belmont is a mile and a half, and the colt wasn’t bred for a mile and a half, and a mile and a half gallop isn’t a horse race – so that was why I thought he wouldn’t win. After the race the press kept badgering Stewie about what went wrong. At the end, someone asked something like “what do you think happened” and Stewie sort of shrugged and said “I think it was a mile and a half.”

    Then last year I liked what I saw of the stunning short-tailed bay colt. The he got hurt but still got the 2 year old Eclipse. Then I was impressed by his early 3 yo old efforts and told friends to keep an eye on him. I kept saying that and somebody asked me why I was so impressed “When Wayne Lukas say “this is a special horse” and it’s not in his barn, you pay attention.”

    After the Belmont people kept asking me why I’d been so hopeful and I had the same answer. mr Q. loved telling people “Bella said in April we were gonna see a Triple Crown from AP.” Of course what I’d actually said was “if there’s going to be another sweep, I think that beautiful bay colt with the mis-spelled name can do it.”

  71. 71.

    gwangung

    @PsiFighter37:

    Seems like generally well-off white progressives are just as capable of being racist as poor white conservatives. Who coulda thunk it?

    Raises hand.

    (So does almost every other POC in the room)

  72. 72.

    Chyron HR

    @NR:

    UR DUM

    I don’t know how Sanders can be so far behind with people like you in his brain trust.

  73. 73.

    Cacti

    @PsiFighter37:

    Seems like generally well-off white progressives are just as capable of being racist as poor white conservatives. Who coulda thunk it?

    Also raises hand.

    The racism of Bernfeelers is the high brow, paternalistic, condescending type.

    The racism of Trump fans is low brow, vulgar bigotry.

  74. 74.

    Miss Bianca

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Would you believe that last year was the only year in my life I’ve missed seeing the Triple Crown won? Affirmed, Seattle Slew…Secretariat…saw all of them but missed American Pharaoh (is that the right spelling or the wrong)? Thank Goddess for the wonder of Youtube and instant replay – not as exciting as seeing in real time, but still something.

    ETA: Back in my intense horse-race-watching days, when I was a nipper, I was startled at the times when I would pick a horse who I “just knew would win” who subsequently did. Because I had *nothing* to base it on – no knowledge at all, just a feeling. That’s when I realized I would get in trouble betting! ; )

  76. 76.

    NR

    @Chyron HR:

    I can’t argue against your actual points, so I have to make up shit you didn’t say and make fun of that.

    That’s pretty sad, but at least you’re honest about it.

  77. 77.

    NR

    Ah, the ol’ “Everyone who disagrees with me is a racist” argument, right on schedule. BJ commenters are nothing if not predictable.

  78. 78.

    Cacti

    @NR:

    Ah, the ol’ “Everyone who disagrees with me is a racist” argument, right on schedule. BJ commenters are nothing if not predictable.

    Are you a victim of reverse racism, little Bernfeeler?

  81. 81.

    Barbara

    @Cacti: I would not call them racist. I would say that these are people who are used to being listened to and it is driving them insane that people they mostly agree with do not agree with them when it comes to something they care a lot about. It’s making them thoughtless and dismissive. Even mentioning “the South” is such a huge dog whistle.

  82. 82.

    Cacti

    @Roger Moore:

    Seriously, though, why is it that Hillary’s votes in Southern states- including some like Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida that have actually given their electoral votes to a Democrat within recent memory- are suspect, while Bernie’s wins in Western states like Wyoming, Idaho, and Kansas that have been blood red for a long time are somehow proof that he’s the bee’s knees?

    The three reddest states in America by Cook PVI are Utah (R +22), Wyoming (R +22), and Idaho (R +18).

  85. 85.

    NR

    @Cacti:

    Bernfeeling is what matters.

    No, you matter, Cacti. Your feelings matter. Don’t ever let anyone tell you they don’t.

  86. 86.

    Cacti

    @NR:

    No, you matter, Cacti. Your feelings matter. Don’t ever let anyone tell you they don’t.

    Your mother lied to you, kid. You’re not special. Not even special in your own way.

    The reason you can’t find a high paying job isn’t because of any establishment. It’s because you suck.

  87. 87.

    NR

    @Cacti:

    You’re not special.

    But you are special, Cacti. You know it. Your mother knows it. The whole world knows it.

    You’re special and your feelings matter.

  88. 88.

    hkedi [Kang T.Q.]

    @Miss Bianca: Warrior’s apprentice is not even her best work. She was just finding her stride at that point. Memory/Komarr/A civil affair I think is the high point of the series. (so you have a lot of book to read that just. keep. getting. better… before you hit that point.)

    She’s one of the very few authors I will immediately buy hardbacks when they come out.

  89. 89.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    Isn’t there a kool aid drinking clap harder Bernfeeler drum circle you’re missing? You know, the one where they make the big puppets that hand waves away all those black votes that don’t count and the superdelegates that count and the Bernfeelers hate, now need?

  90. 90.

    NR

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Can you believe how racist Berniebros are? I mean, just the other day a Berniebro said “I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa!” For fuck’s sake, how racist can you get?

    Oh, my bad. It was Bill Clinton who said that! Whoops. I regret my error.

  91. 91.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    LOL. Which is why Hillary has beaten Bernie like a rented mule with votes in the red states that don’t count. CLAP HARDER!

  92. 92.

    Cacti

    @NR:

    Can you believe how racist Berniebros are?

    Nobody can.

    How clueless and tone deaf would a person have to be to call black people in the south “confederates”, or to think that things like #MississippiBerning are cute and clever?

  93. 93.

    NR

    @Cacti: Yes, some randos on Twitter are definitely comparable to a candidate’s spouse who is the former president of the United States.

  94. 94.

    Miss Bianca

    @hkedi [Kang T.Q.]: I could hate her for being so good right out of the box (writer’s envy – it’s an ugly thing), but I’m too busy loving her. It’s been a long, long time since I just started gorging on one author’s books (and I’ve passed “Cordelia’s Honor” on to my friend who turned me on to Stephenson and Gibson).

  95. 95.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    some randos on Twitter are definitely comparable to a candidate’s spouse

    Or to the candidate for president himself, who has dismissed and denigrated those voters twice, as recently as today. The fish rots from the head. #FeeltheBullshit

    ETA: While St. Bernie is “meeting with the Pope”, will Jane have time to come up with their tax returns? Asking for a friend.

  96. 96.

    JMG

    Why didn’t I ever get to play power with “conservative billionaires?” Sounds like another ripe grift in the making.

  99. 99.

    Cacti

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    While St. Bernie is “meeting with the Pope”, will Jane have time to come up with their tax returns? Asking for a friend.

    Hillary is responsible for anything Bill says, just as Jane is responsible for Bernie’s taxes not being released.

    I’m sensing a theme here.

  101. 101.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    You do know Bernie voted for the crime bill? Will he apologize first? Or are all you Bernfeelers waving your hands so fast that you think we can’t see his bullshit from here?

  102. 102.

    NR

    @Cacti: Gotta love BJ. Bernie Sanders is responsible for anything and everything anyone who claims to support him says, but Hillary Clinton isn’t responsible for what her own husband says when he’s out there campaigning for her at her request. Makes perfect sense.

  104. 104.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    Bernie Sanders is responsible for anything and everything anyone who claims to support him says

    Is Bernie Sanders responsible for anything he says? This is a simple yes or no question.

  108. 108.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    There are no stupid questions when it comes to Bernie – he’s an endless fount of stupidity, changing rationalizations, goal post moving, excuses, conspiracies, finger pointing, dismissiveness, scapegoating, delusional thinking and all around dumbfuckery that his idiot followers all swallow whole.

  111. 111.

    Cat48

    @NR:

    I saw that live when he was talking “blacks n Africa” & he was yelling about getting the Aids medicine cheaper so more of them could live longer lives thru the Clinton Foundation Charity. Maybe he needs some Frank lessons on how to talk & deal with protestors in 2016. I sorta feel sorry for him bc he just wants to be Liked by everybody. There was an article right by the one u linked to that Bill went to six churches in Harlem today showing contrition for the way he misspoke. What a mess, poor Hillary.

  112. 112.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    As long as Bernie hangs around successfully raising money from his delusional followers who believe that there’s a winged unicorn flight path forward, you’re going to need a 12 screen cineplex for your psychological need to project. I will be here to watch it and the other phony baloney “revolutionaries” struggle with reality. I’m going to need a bigger popcorn bowl.

    What IS Bernie hiding in his taxes, by the way? That he’s one of the 1%? That would be fucking hilarious.

  113. 113.

    NR

    @Cat48: To be clear, I don’t think Bill Clinton is a racist, and I don’t think Hillary Clinton is a racist by association.

    I was just making a point about how selective BJ’s outrage is when it comes to racism. People here will gleefully use racist comments from anonymous Twitter users as a cudgel with which to beat the vile and evil Bernie Sanders, but when Bill Clinton says something that is, at best, racially insensitive, they’re all “Hillary’s not responsible for what her husband says when he’s campaigning for her at her request!” It’s blatant hypocrisy.

  115. 115.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @NR:

    People here will gleefully use racist comments from anonymous Twitter users as a cudgel with which to beat the vile and evil Bernie Sanders

    Please explain to all of us clueless BJers what Sanders meant when he said dismissively: “Well, she is getting more votes. A lot of that came from the South.” This is not from twitter, it’s from Bernie’s mouth.

    Also, why do YOU think he won’t release his tax returns?

  116. 116.

    Cat48

    @NR:
    Well, technically she is not responsible, but we all know its going to happen bc he’s argumentative. He was the same way when he was president. He was usually talking to the Gop when it happened. He needs a minder who will handle the protestors & talk to them or something. Hillary shouldn’t have to deal with it right now, since she has to answer for his record & hers bc Bernie has attacked everything theyve ever done or will soon. Also, anything she did for Obama.

  117. 117.

    Jeffro

    @raven: My dad, brother, and I were down there on Friday and wow is that a…wait for it, wait for it…special place.

    Seriously, is “special” the word of the season in sports? I’m hearing it everywhere.

    But Augusta was really cool, even for this non-golfer!

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