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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: Uncle Joe Biden, Elder Statesman

Open Thread: Uncle Joe Biden, Elder Statesman

by Anne Laurie|  April 11, 201610:11 pm| 138 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Daydream Believers

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This is evidence of a secret WH plot to kneecap Bernie and install Obama’s handmaiden as his replacement, according to certain theorists where the left and the right go so far out they close a circle to embrace each other’s worldviews. I can’t see it, but then of course I wouldn’t. Per Yahoo News:

Vice President Joe Biden waded into the contentious back-and-forth between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders over Clinton’s qualifications to serve as president, telling Mic in an exclusive interview that both candidates are “totally qualified” — adding that he’d “like to see a woman elected.”

The remarks came during an interview with Mic correspondent Antonia Hylton centered on Biden’s crusade against sexual assault, set to be released on Wednesday…

The way the two-time presidential candidate sees it, the Democrats’ war of words is par for the course in national campaigns.

“Look, they’re both totally qualified to be president. They both get in a fight. Campaigns do this. It’s like saying, you know, ‘She’s dead wrong’ or her saying, ‘He’s dead wrong’ on an issue,” the vice president said…

Asked whether he wanted to see a woman elected, Biden responded, “I would like to see a woman elected.”

The vice president’s staff then attempted to cut off discussion of the 2016 race, but Biden insisted he had “no problem” with discussing it — while making clear he would not go down “that rabbit [hole]” of offering a formal endorsement.

“The president and I are not going endorse because we both, when we ran said, ‘Let the party decide.’ But gosh almighty, they’re both qualified,” he said. “Hillary’s overwhelmingly qualified to be president.”…

Not gonna miss this primary season once it’s over, to be honest.

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  1. 1.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 11, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    Not gonna miss this primary season once it’s over, to be honest.

    I’m with ya, AL.

    Off to the Zen Center with me.

  2. 2.

    Ben Cisco

    April 11, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    I’ll be glad when we officially have a nominee, that’s for sure. Saving my rocks for the Republicans.

  3. 3.

    Davebo

    April 11, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    I love Joe. You have to wonder what’s next for him.

  4. 4.

    Troublesome Carp fka Geeno

    April 11, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Can Joe just be VP for life?

  5. 5.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @Troublesome Carp fka Geeno: What did he ever do to you that you wish that on him?

  6. 6.

    cokane

    April 11, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    if you take a step back and not get wrapped up in every turn of the screw, then you’d realize it really hasn’t been a nasty primary campaign at all, it’s been pretty kid gloves for a prez campaign. ppl forget that the Rev. Wright shit and the Obama in Muslim garb photo were stories that broke in 08.

    ETA: obv only applying this to the Dem side

  7. 7.

    sigaba

    April 11, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Troublesome Carp fka Geeno: On a serious note, a lifetime-appointed VP might not be a bad idea, combined with an automatic term limit if they ever succeed to the presidency. It would give the office more ceremonial status and it might improve continuity of government.

    This would only work if the VP were non-partisan; for example if it were a sort of emeritus civil service job (British cabinet departments are organized this way, for instance.)

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    The Jackie Robinson documentary on PBS is excellent.

  9. 9.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    Joe Louis got Jackie Robinson into Officer Candidate School?

    wow.

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Rachel Robinson: He was NEVER EVER ashamed of his color….

    that’s right.
    that’s right.

    Jackie Robinson was a ‘Race Man’ – through and through.

  11. 11.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Jackie Robinson lettered in FOUR VARSITY SPORTS at UCLA.

    FOUR!!!

  12. 12.

    Betty Cracker

    April 11, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    I agree with Joe; the campaign clashes are nothing new. And I agree with you; I’ll be glad to see the end of the primary.

  13. 13.

    Roger Moore

    April 11, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Jackie Robinson lettered in FOUR VARSITY SPORTS at UCLA.

    He was the first ever to letter in four sports. FWIW, baseball was basically a throw in for him in college, which is part of the reason he didn’t perform particularly well. Also, and very important for his future, UCLA (and before that Pasadena Junior College and Muir High) were all integrated schools, so he had experience playing on teams with white players. That was something Branch Rickey looked for when he was trying to find a player to break the color line.

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    Rachel Robinson: He didn’t just respect me. He needed me. He adored me.

  15. 15.

    Roger Moore

    April 11, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Nowadays a kid that good would be all involved in camps and travel teams in one sport.

    I’m not sure if that’s true of every sport. There are still a lot of players who wind up playing professionally who played more than one sport in college.

  16. 16.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    About Jackie Robinson: He was always shooting off his mouth about his ‘ Constitutional Rights’.

  17. 17.

    Luthe

    April 11, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    @sigaba: As Supreme Court positions were supposed to be non-partisan and that rapidly went down the crapper (see, Scalia, Antonin), I will take our elected Vice President. Though I’d love to go back to the days when the Vice President was more “first runner up” and less “running mate of the guy/gal who wants to be president.” It would make for some interesting politicking.

  18. 18.

    John Cole

    April 11, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    Anne Laurie- did you get my email?

    Also, if you want a special color, let me know. But ya can’t have my blue!

  19. 19.

    Felonius Monk

    April 11, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @rikyrah: Absolutely wonderful.

  20. 20.

    Belafon

    April 11, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    Clinton’s new error page:

    Just brilliant, from Hillary's campaign site. This is their new error page. ??? pic.twitter.com/fDVIVqytXB— Adam J. Smith (@AdamSmith_USA) April 12, 2016

  21. 21.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @John Cole: You gave up green?

  22. 22.

    MomSense

    April 11, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I can’t wait to watch tomorrow when I don’t have to share the tv.

  23. 23.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @John Cole: Really, I ask for violet, get it, and then it goes away. And when I check with Alain, I get “Cole’s orders”. But now you’re just handing them out? I see how it is.

  24. 24.

    jl

    April 11, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Ha! Joe didn’t say he wanted to see a woman elected president in 2016! He’s a a secret BernieBro!
    Or not…

    Whew…. I was reading the tea leaves so hard for a second there, I’m scraping them out of my eyes and blowing them out of my nose.
    Is the whole interview up someplace? Looks like Biden is fired up and ready to go!
    The parts on other subjects might be interesting.

  25. 25.

    lamh36

    April 11, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    Wow…can’t wait for tomorrow night…this was a great documentary, I was engrossed the entire time. If you missed the first night, make sure you catch the rebroadcast or set your DVR.

    #JackieRobinsonPBS

    “Did You See Jackie Hit That Ball”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-7Ac2LVVYU

  26. 26.

    Ken

    April 11, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @Luthe: Didn’t those days last about three elections, before they realized “interesting politicking” meant “President and VP loathe each other”?

  27. 27.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Belafon: Which advertising genius came up with Feel the Bern, it sounds like a PSA for an STD or a prescription drug ad.

  28. 28.

    Ken

    April 11, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    This just shows Biden is a tool of the Democratic establishment. Why else would he pick the one Democrat left in the race?

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    Jackie and Rachel looked gorgeous on their wedding day.

    She got her dress at Saks!

    LOL

  30. 30.

    Anne Laurie

    April 11, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @John Cole: I got one last night, but not since. Will keep checking my email — sometimes it takes Eudora a couple hours.

  31. 31.

    jl

    April 11, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s too late. You’re part of the BJ ‘family’. You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave! STFU and pick your color.

  32. 32.

    Roger Moore

    April 11, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @John Cole:
    You don’t seem to be showing up in blue on this thread. Is it possible that only the original post author gets the fancy color treatment?

  33. 33.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Do you have a good explanation for this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_8EtNaqIbI

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @jl: I did pick my color and was then told that Cole decided only he gets color. So now I’m colorless.

  35. 35.

    jl

    April 11, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @Roger Moore: It’s the special ‘John Cole’ blue. Looks to us mere mortals like a lighter shade of gray.

  36. 36.

    jl

    April 11, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, obvs you didn’t pick it ‘right’ and you get a punch in the neck, Sunshine!

    Edit: as a mere reader and commenter, I can sit back and enjoy the chaos. What the front posters go through. I shudder to even think…

  37. 37.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @lamh36: Better than “42” or just different?

  38. 38.

    Roger Moore

    April 11, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @Ken:

    Didn’t those days last about three elections, before they realized “interesting politicking” meant “President and VP loathe each other”?

    Not quite. What happened was that the original plan was invented before parties, with the assumption that electors would name the two people they thought were best for the job. The problem came in 1800, when there were parties and they wanted to nominate both a president and a vice president. But each elector had two votes, which they were supposed to cast for the two people on their party’s ticket. That resulted in a tie because the Republicans (known in history books as “Democratic Republicans”) didn’t figure out how to have one elector leave Burr’s name off the ballot so he’d wind up with one vote less than Jefferson. The election got thrown to the House of Representatives, which remained deadlocked for over 30 ballots until Hamilton came out in favor of Jefferson over Burr.

  39. 39.

    jl

    April 11, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Getting ready to fight Batman?

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @jl: Looks to us mere mortals like a lighter shade of gray.

  41. 41.

    rikyrah

    April 11, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Look at all those Black folks in Suits at the baseball game watching Jackie Robinson :)

  42. 42.

    Mike J

    April 11, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    sometimes it takes Eudora a couple hours

    That’s why I live at the PO.

  43. 43.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Nope, first time I am seeing this. I have never heard of the movie either.

  44. 44.

    Punchy

    April 11, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Should he lose the nommy, does B’Sando support Dems or only Indys in local elections?

  45. 45.

    guachi

    April 11, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-hillary-clinton-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2596292

    Link to Clinton’s interview with the NYDN. Compare and contrast with Sanders’ interview. I think Clinton comes out ahead (easily).

  46. 46.

    jl

    April 11, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @Roger Moore: Having VP skip around the country with murder warrants out for his arrest in two states would make politics more interesting.

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @jl: Actually we don’t go through much and I’m just yanking his chain.

  48. 48.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    April 11, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: You asked me a question earlier today (if I remember right). Did I answer it? Please ask again if I didn’t.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: We shall await your report…

  50. 50.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):I asked you about the origin of your nym.

  51. 51.

    Mike J

    April 11, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    Since people discussed the Hamilton blowback earlier:

    Patrick Monahan @pattymo Patrick Monahan Retweeted New York Times Arts
    The Times’ famed Hamilton Desk takes up three floors. Working in shifts, 162 reporters cover the phenomenon 24/7

    New York Times Arts @nytimesarts
    Does “Hamilton” really get Alexander Hamilton right? http://nyti.ms/1RZRwBp

  52. 52.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: In triplicate?

  53. 53.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I just thought you were holding out on us. I’ve gotten the impression you’ve seen every Bollywood movie.

  54. 54.

    Ruckus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I’ve been colorless my entire life, you say some people get color? Lucky bastards.

  55. 55.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    delete

  56. 56.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s a feat impossible for a human being to achieve. As for me, I must have seen less than 10 Hindi movies in the last ten years.

  57. 57.

    Roger Moore

    April 11, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Looks to us mere mortals like a lighter shade of gray.

    Not A Whiter Shade of Pale?

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @Ruckus: I am sort of pinkish with a brown top and a couple of green dots.

  59. 59.

    tastytone

    April 11, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    New York Times Arts @nytimesarts
    Does “Hamilton” really get Alexander Hamilton right? http://nyti.ms/1RZRwBp

    That portrait of Hamilton makes me think of Charlie Rose for some reason.

  60. 60.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: You can do it! We believe in you! Cole will do a kickstarter for you!

  61. 61.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @tastytone: Was Hamilton also a chronic alcoholic?

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @Ruckus: Right now no one gets color.

  63. 63.

    redshirt

    April 11, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    It’s sad to consider there’s only a few hundred days left for Obama/Biden.

    They’ve been so awesome!

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: He probably drank beer or ale at breakfast.

  65. 65.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Rice Krispies and beer: Snap, Crackle, and Belch!

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Charlie Rose is an alcoholic, that’s where I was going with that.

  67. 67.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes, I know. Work with me, not against me. Jeepers.

  68. 68.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 11, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I think I will pass, but thanks for the offer.

  69. 69.

    tastytone

    April 11, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    It might further explain that whole Maria Reynolds-thing. Perpetual ale-goggles.

  70. 70.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Chicken.

  71. 71.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 11, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Jeepers? I thought you were younger than efgoldman.

  72. 72.

    Cacti

    April 11, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @guachi:

    Link to Clinton’s interview with the NYDN. Compare and contrast with Sanders’ interview. I think Clinton comes out ahead (easily).

    Clinton’s a wonk, Sanders is an applause line generator.

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Gotcha, no problem. Wasn’t sure I was clear.

  74. 74.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 11, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @tastytone: possibly.

  75. 75.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Oh, I am. I was just trying to adhere to the standards on this family friendly blog.

  76. 76.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    April 11, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I briefly owned a very green horse who came with the name Bella. I added the Q; the best horse I ever owned was named Cupid Q, by his breeders. I showed him under a different name (My Funny Valentine) and promised myself that all my future horses would have Q at the end of the barn name.

    Not long after Bella Q’s arrival, I had my first MS flare which precluded all equine activities, so I sold her. After my MS was diagnosed, exacerbations have been on and off (mostly off!) but the expense of a chronic medical condition makes a new horse problematic.

    Not as entertaining as the hip hop artist from Idaho part, which I stole from Sarah Proud and Tall when she used it to make fun of DougJ during his DougJarvus Green Ellis period.

  77. 77.

    Anne Laurie

    April 11, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Which advertising genius came up with Feel the Bern, it sounds like a PSA for an STD or a prescription drug ad.

    Still miles better than either #MississippiBerning or #BronxIsBurning, both of which have very unfortunate historical associations.

  78. 78.

    SarahT

    April 11, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Mike J: @Mike J: I saw what you did there.

  79. 79.

    SarahT

    April 11, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Belafon: love it.

  80. 80.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 11, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I was just trying to adhere to the standards on this family friendly blog.

    Ah, when did this here blog become “family friendly”? Did you notice the previous front page post? Did this “family friendly” shit come up in the last hour or so? Fuck that shit!

  81. 81.

    John Cole

    April 11, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    WTF HAPPENED TO MY BLUE?

  82. 82.

    redshirt

    April 11, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: It’s enough to laugh.

  83. 83.

    gwangung

    April 11, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Still miles better than either #MississippiBerning or #BronxIsBurning, both of which have very unfortunate historical associations.

    Gee. Wonder how anyone got the notion that Sanders supporters could be a little…clueless….at times.

  84. 84.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: It always fucking has been one. Jesus fucking Christ.

  85. 85.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 11, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    @John Cole: I think it only comes up in your own posts. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.

  86. 86.

    redshirt

    April 11, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    @John Cole: Alain has chose otherwise.

  87. 87.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @redshirt: Chose?

  88. 88.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 11, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @John Cole: WTF HAPPENED TO MY BLUE?

    did you get it in Albuquerque? I heard they ceased manufacturing

  89. 89.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 11, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Remember redshirt’s from Maine, they talk different there.

  90. 90.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 11, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That don’t make it right.

  91. 91.

    ? Martin

    April 11, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Davebo:

    You have to wonder what’s next for him.

    Hopefully curing cancer.

  92. 92.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 12, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @? Martin: hard to imagine him taking up the rocker. I wonder if he still wants to be SoS (assuming he did)

  93. 93.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @John Cole: This is what you get for telling Alain I can’t have violet!

  94. 94.

    Alain the site fixer

    April 12, 2016 at 12:04 am

    Al, FYI I made your Sunday garden chats a menu item to make them easier to find en masse. Keep up the great work!

  95. 95.

    lamh36

    April 12, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: the movie or was there a documentary titled “42?

    This is actually the first doc I’ve seen solely on Jackie Robinson.

    Talking about the movie “42” seeing all the still shots of Robinson, you realize how Chad Boseman really did look alot like him in the movies

  96. 96.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 12, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @lamh36: The movie. I really was wondering about the differences between the fictionalized version of the movie and the doc.

  97. 97.

    redshirt

    April 12, 2016 at 12:08 am

    May all destruction be blessed.

  98. 98.

    lamh36

    April 12, 2016 at 12:09 am

    “If Jackie was smart enough to pick her for his wife, he’s the guy you want’

    “it was us against the world” Rachel Robinson on her and ‪#‎JackieRobinsonPBS‬

    It took a strong woman to stand with Jackie, and “it says something that he chose a woman who was his equal as a partner.

    Now what current political couple, also making history much Jackie and Rachel did, does that sound like? Of course they make a cameo in the documentray together.

  99. 99.

    lamh36

    April 12, 2016 at 12:10 am

    Alright BJ,

    Good night.

    Enough internet for the night.

  100. 100.

    chopper

    April 12, 2016 at 12:17 am

    @John Cole:

    “can I get it in cornflower blue?”

  101. 101.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 12:17 am

    I will definitely miss this primary season when it’s over. More substantive discussion of issues that matter by the Democrats than any other election in my lifetime…and more entertaining lunacy from the Republicans than in any other election. Even Goldwater suggesting using atomic weapons on Vietnam wasn’t as crazy as the crap that volcanos out of Donald Trump’s mouth.

    Biden states the obvious and uses common sense. Easy to deduce he’ll get slammed for it. Quelle surprise!

  102. 102.

    lamh36

    April 12, 2016 at 12:17 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh…well, I’m not too sure. I think they did a bit more softening of the entire thing for cinema audiences.

    But I suspect the documentary, was more candid and did not shy away from using ALL the language of the day and direct racist quotes from known names and writers and documented situations.

    Also too, I believe the movie didn’t focus on his more “radical” years towards the end of his baseball career and his political and activist years…that’s what tomorrow night’s will be about the 2nd half of his life

    Let’s see direct quotes like

    League player who proudly proclaimed, he “strengthened his arm as a boy by throwing rocks at niggers”

    Or the base Sarge who said about having integrated teams on base, “”I’ll break up the team rather than have a nigger on it”

    Or the sports writer when Jackie played for UCLA who wrote of him playing football saying “”dusky carried the football as if it was a watermelon, and he was running from it’s master”

    Even as I watched and tweeted, you had a few, not alot who tried not to focus on the that bit of it.

  103. 103.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 12:18 am

    @John Cole:

    Blue is a symbol OF THE PATRIARCHY, YOU OPPRESSIVE MISOGYNIST GIT!

  104. 104.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    April 12, 2016 at 12:19 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Speaking of Jesus, for Omnes:

    Angels in leather –
    Except for the jack of hearts,
    Misters Gold and Mud

  105. 105.

    patroclus

    April 12, 2016 at 12:20 am

    This is a big bleeping deal!

  106. 106.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 12:22 am

    @lamh36: That’s why I prefer the two HBO documentaries on Frazier and Ali to the movie about Ali. You want to learn something you watch the docs, you want to be entertained, you watch the movie.

  107. 107.

    Ruckus

    April 12, 2016 at 12:24 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Even most of my hair and beard is a colorless shade of white.

  108. 108.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 12:25 am

    @? Martin:

    You have to wonder what’s next for him.

    Hopefully curing cancer.

    This is the same Joe Biden who spent four long years cheerleading the doomed and demented Iraq invasion? The same Joe Biden who repeatedly urged “a D-Day in the War on Drugs”? The same Joe Biden who wrote the original vile law creating asset forfeiture, allowing police to steal people’s money without even accusing them of committing a crime? The same Joe Biden who installed his son on the board of a Ukrainian oil company that the Washington Post described as “at best nepotistic, at worst nefarious”?

    That Joe Biden?

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 12, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @lamh36: Thank you. I will try to catch it. I could give two shits about baseball as a sport (my mom loves it and I love my mom so I watch Brewer games with her when I am home.) but Robinson mattered in a shitload of ways. In sports and beyond.

  110. 110.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    More oppressive mansplaining, says I.

  111. 111.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    April 12, 2016 at 12:41 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I hope you know how much I respect, admire, and enjoy your posts. They are always interesting (though I get lost in the comic geekdom) and your participate in them thoughtfully, and with good humor as well as great wit,

    But I must ask you, along with a few other of my favorite commenters, to refrain from using mental health and its treatment as comic material. Brain disorders are really not any more appropriate for jokes as cancer, or heart disease, or neurological difficulties. I can assure you that these diseases are every bit as lethal, yet US culture has tolerated their use as punchlines.

    It’s hurtful to many, and offensive to others (::waves ::), and contributes to the stigma against these very real, very physical diseases called mental illness. That stigma can prevent people who are very sick from seeking treatment. Some of those people who don’t get treatment die.

    Please consider that when making comments like

    You do understand that someone here can probably do a prescription for you?

    regardless of whether any hurtful intent is behind it.

    I confess that if I see one more comment that

    somebody/this person’s name/obnoxious asshole forgot to take their meds

    or

    forget your meds tonight?

    directed toward a commentor I will not respond in a civil fashion.

    People die from these diseases every day:

    There were 41,149 suicides in 2013 in the United
    States—a rate of 12.6 per 100,000 is equal to 113
    suicides each day or one every 13 minutes

    CDC link

    It’s not funny. I’ll get off my soapbox now. Thanks for reading.

  112. 112.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    April 12, 2016 at 12:43 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I can’t even.

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 12:43 am

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): No worries. I’m tracking and will adjust accordingly.

  114. 114.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 12:44 am

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’ve removed them. I was teasing. I know you knew I was teasing, but you make a good point and its well taken.

  115. 115.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 12:45 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    In case your parody detector has malfunctioned, I’m not being serious. Oh, and the rest of you stop slamming Sliverman. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t serious either.

  116. 116.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 12:47 am

    Silverman’s CRC check failed due to a missing parody bit. No worries.

  117. 117.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    April 12, 2016 at 12:51 am

    @mclaren: If that comment I’m totally sure he wasn’t serious, because he’s not an insensitive guy. I do not believe I was slamming him, but that doesn’t make mocking serious diseases funny. I do not believe Dr. Silverman thinks I was slamming him either.

    If you disagree with both my assertions, in which case, rock on. And I hope to g*d you never have to know how serious stigma is.

  118. 118.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 12, 2016 at 12:54 am

    @mclaren: @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): All good here. No worries. Though all the different allergy, or rather anti-allergy, meds they’re trying to get me where I don’t want to claw my face off have me ready to crash.

    You all have a good night and see you all later today/tomorrow depending where you are on the space-time continuum.

  119. 119.

    NR

    April 12, 2016 at 1:01 am

    @Cacti: Your feelings matter and you’re special.

  120. 120.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 1:15 am

    Seems to me that Hillary’s interview with the New York Daily News is self-serving and not particularly honest. For example:

    The second thing that happened was 9/11, which had quite dramatic effects on our economy for some period of time. And it was clearly focused on what happened here in the city, but it had ripple effects going upstate. And then, of course, the Great Recession, which hit as I was transitioning from my second term as senator to the Department of State.

    Yeah, well, there was that little matter of three trillion dollars down the rathole because of the illegal 2003 war of aggression in Iraq that you voted for, Senator Hillary. I think burning up that much money for nothing had a little something to do with how badly the economy tanked in 2009. But somehow you don’t seem to want to acknowledge that, do you, Hillary?

    Then Hillary goes on to say:

    Upstate New York has had a series of setbacks going back several decades now, lost a lot of industry first to the South, then lost a lot of industry overseas. And we did not have the right combination of economic tools there or in other places that experience the same kind of job decline to, number one, halt the trend and then to reverse it.

    Gee, Hills, that “series of setbacks going back several decades now” can be traced to that legislation you and your hubby rammed through congress called NAFTA. But once again, you don’t mention that. NAFTA, Hillary. It was a huge blow to the middle class working people in America. But Hillary just treats it as ‘something that happened,’ like a thunderstorm or a flood — instead of as legislation that she and her buddy fought for and helped pass and then, after its destructive economic effects became clear, tried to ignore her responsibility for.

    Hillary comes off as typically weasel-wordish in that interview. She does a lot of sidestepping and euphemizing. Senator Sanders? Not so much…

  121. 121.

    seaboogie

    April 12, 2016 at 1:21 am

    @jl:

    It’s the special ‘John Cole’ blue.

    I, for one, appreciate that John Cole has fully embraced his inner feminist, and chosen the same color used in the eye-droppers of women’s mini/maxi pad commercials – making every post be a subtle statement of support of women, no matter what the subject. And also progressives. Yay you – John!
    /not snark

    I’m hoping Betty C picks mango, because Florida.

  122. 122.

    seaboogie

    April 12, 2016 at 1:33 am

    @mclaren:

    Gee, Hills, that “series of setbacks going back several decades now” can be traced to that legislation you and your hubby rammed through congress called NAFTA

    Oh really? Hillary did that as First Lady?

    Her tenacity, forbearance and sense of humor after 24+ years of attacks continues to impress me. You, mclaren – not so much.

  123. 123.

    Aqualad08

    April 12, 2016 at 1:44 am

    @Davebo:

    You have to wonder what’s next for him.

    Cast as Star Lord’s father in “Guardians of the Galaxy 2,” obviously…

  124. 124.

    Darkrose

    April 12, 2016 at 1:45 am

    @rikyrah: Damn, I totally forgot to set th DVR!

    I heard Ken Burns talking to Dave Zirin on Zirin’s podcast last week. Burns had great stuff to say, including that “Republicans who are acting surprised by Trump are crying wolf.”

    I was also amused that Burns refused to take the bait when Zirin asked if the only reason Obama is in the Robinson documentary is because Burns felt like he had to because first black president. Burns started gushing about how Barack and Michelle reminded him of Jackie and Rachel, and how Obama had really been interested in the project.

  125. 125.

    seaboogie

    April 12, 2016 at 1:47 am

    @efgoldman: I like your perspective.

  126. 126.

    Aqualad08

    April 12, 2016 at 1:51 am

    @mclaren:

    Gee, Hills, that “series of setbacks going back several decades now” can be traced to that legislation you and your hubby rammed through congress called NAFTA.

    I live here, dingleberry. Upstate NY has been dying since the early 60’s, long before NAFTA. You really should read something that doesn’t validate your warped sense of history sometime…

  127. 127.

    The Lodger

    April 12, 2016 at 1:57 am

    Wonder what Joe will do if the GOP nomination is given to Ryan. I’m thinking it will be like an early Christmas for him.

  128. 128.

    Darkrose

    April 12, 2016 at 2:11 am

    @efgoldman: The Giants players get asked about this a lot at fan events, and the position players all say that it’s best for kids to play more than one sport. Buster Posey has said that he liked playing football and basketball because it was a change; by the time in the year when he was bored with baseball, it was football season.

    With pitchers, there’s so much pressure for them to not only learn to pitch, but to show their stuff to scouts while they’re still young. Most of the US-born guys who skip college ball tend to be pitchers (Bryce Harper’s really an exception). Of course, many people think that this pressure to throw a lot of innings is responsible for the increase in Tommy John’s surgery, to the point where some kids are having it before an actual problem has been identified.

  129. 129.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 2:31 am

    @seaboogie:

    Her tenacity, forbearance and sense of humor after 24+ years of attacks continues to impress me.

    Hillary didn’t show much “forbearance” when it came time to mire America in a pointless self-destructive illegal war of aggression in Iraq, did she?

    And Hillary didn’t show much “forbearance” when she enthusiastically advocated getting us into the Libya quagmire.

    If Hillary had shown more forbearance, she’d have made a lot better senator and an infinitely superior Secretary of State.

    As for tenacity, Hillary tenaciously defended that Iraq war clusterfuck long after it had become obvious to almost everyone else that it was a disaster. Hills would have done better to show a lot less tenacity.

    And as long as you’re describing “statements of fact” as “attacks,” I guess that gives the sign that it’s open season on abusing and misusing words — so the most appropriate description of your statement is that it proves you’re wanted by the police for cannibalism and cruelty to animals. Where the phrase “wanted by the police for cannibalism and cruelty to animals” means “you disagree with me.” if you can twist a recitation of documented facts into the word “attack,” it’s legit for me to twist “you disagree with me” into “it proves you’re wanted by the police for cannibalism and cruelty to animals.”

    Words, motherfucker. They have meanings. And when you ignore what words mean, it comes back to bite you in the ass.

  130. 130.

    A Humble Lurker

    April 12, 2016 at 2:48 am

    @mclaren: You know about the whole moonshot initiative, right?

    Also, yes, in our strange little world all those things you listed and curing cancer are funnily enough not mutually exclusive. Just like you can be a brain surgeon and…well, be Ben Carson.

  131. 131.

    seaboogie

    April 12, 2016 at 3:23 am

    @mclaren: Yeah, well – you still didn’t explain why Hilz is responsible for NAFTA when she was FLOTUS, but rant away, little dogie…assemble an assload of words into paragraphs….

  132. 132.

    John S.

    April 12, 2016 at 5:27 am

    Not gonna miss this primary season once it’s over, to be honest

    Not gonna miss your blogging during this primary season once it’s over, to be honest.

    A noun, a verb, Bernie seems to be the extent of your repertoire lately.

  133. 133.

    Aimai

    April 12, 2016 at 7:11 am

    @mclaren: the money dpent on the iraq war was, during the time period under discussion, a stimulus. Just like the second world war. In addition no one expected bush to cut taxes and run the war off the books. The aUMF had nothing to do with funding.

  134. 134.

    Paul in KY

    April 12, 2016 at 11:19 am

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I would say that was a horse of a different color. Wonder how they conjugate ‘green’ in the daily form?

  135. 135.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    @Aimai:

    the money dpent on the iraq war was, during the time period under discussion, a stimulus.

    Excellent example of the demented economic “logic” of neoliberalism. And if someone were to drop a nuclear bomb on New York, why…the hundreds of billions of dollars required to clean up that whole mess and rebuild would also be a stimulus!

    In fact, to the degraded and deluded economist who pledges allegiance to neoliberalism, everything is a stimulus…since everything requires money to fix. The Holocaust? A great economic stimulus! The Grand Inquisition? An even bigger economic stimulus! The Black Death? The greatest economic stimulus conceivable. Just think how much cash we’d have to spend to burn all the corpses and dig all those burial pits.

    Do you people even listen to youselves? Do you even bother to work out the twisted reasoning that has led you off the cliff and into midair where you frantically pedal your feet?

  136. 136.

    mclaren

    April 12, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    @seaboogie:

    Yeah, well – you still didn’t explain why Hilz is responsible for NAFTA when she was FLOTUS, but rant away, little dogie..

    Indeed. Stating the documented fact that the Clintons bear a lot of responsibility (though not all) for our current Incarceration State that makes America the shame of the world, with more our own citizens in prison per capita than in the Soviet Union at the height of its tyranny — that is a “rant.”

    Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton was there, in the White House while her hubby was working hard to destroy black communities across America by imprisoning their men for non-violent crimes. Hillary supported the 1994 crime bill. Hillary gave speeches in favor of it. Hillary spoke to audiences to warn them of mythical “superpredators” in support of that wretched crime bill.

    And yet Hillary bears no responsibility.

    Boy, that’s the Clinton political touch, isn’t it? You’re there, you support a bad policy, you speak out in favor of it…but no, no, nooooooooooooo, you’re not responsible.

    That’s the Clintons in a nutshell. They make themselves wealthy by serving in public life, then when the effects of their disastrous policies tear a swath of carnage through America, they disclaim all responsibility. They’re not to blame! The Clintons aren’t responsible! They were just there…in the White House. They were just mysteriously loitering around in the vicinity while all these terrible things happened. But don’t blame them, they just happened to be residing in the West Wing during the whole debacle.

    This is the Clinton’s hallmark — create havoc, then disclaim responsibility. America’s economy collapses because Bill Clinton ripped out the pilings that held the foundation of our financial system up by signing off on ending Glass-Steagall? The Clintons weren’t to blame ! They just happened to be in the neighborhood when all that stuff happened.

    This is also the hallmark of 21st century America — no one is responsible for anything anymore. George W. Bush blew up Iraq and trashed our economy. And who’s responsible? Obama, of course! Bill Clinton revoked Glass-Steagall and signed those vile crime bills and bad welfare deform legislation, but he’s not responsible. Who is? George W. Bush, of course! And so it goes, on and on, backwards through time…no one is ever responsible for anything. It was the first caveman who invented fire, that’s who we should blame! It was the person who invented the wheel, back in the ages before history!

    The total inability of our leaders to accept responsibility for anything is one of the major reasons for the rise of Bernie Sanders and the dementia engendered by Trump. When no one is responsible, why not propose insane policies? You can then disclaim responsibility, because, hey! Suppose we do build a giant wall with Mexico and it all blows up in our face and our balance of trade collapses and the economy tanks? Doesn’t matter, we’re not responsible. We were all just in the neighborhood when those bad bad bad things happened.

  137. 137.

    Miss Bianca

    April 12, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    @mclaren: Oh, for Christ’s sake, mclaren…this is just pathetic. I mean, you’re not dumb…you *do* realize a lot of African-American leaders supported the crime bill, right? You do realize that Your Hero Bernie Sanders *also* voted for it? Sure, now he can claim that he was doing so for totes pure reasons, but that’s being a politician, ain’t it? “Oh, Hillary Clinton is responsible for this horrible crime bill, because her husband was President! I mean, more responsible than I was, who voted for it, unlike her, but also unlike her, MY HEART WAS PURE!”

    Jeez. What weak sauce.

  138. 138.

    Aqualad08

    April 12, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    @mclaren:

    Doesn’t matter, we’re not responsible. We were all just in the neighborhood when those bad bad bad things happened.

    So, other than petulantly yelling at people for not being as pure as you think you are in your fever dreams, what are you doing to change that? What happens when the dog chasing the car finally catches it?

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