Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

This fight is for everything.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

Let’s finish the job.

How can republicans represent us when they don’t trust women?

I wonder if trump will be tried as an adult.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Joe Lieberman disappointingly reemerged to remind us that he’s still alive.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

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This is evidence of a secret WH plot to kneecap Bernie and install Obama’s handmaiden as his replacement, according to certain theorists where the left and the right go so far out they close a circle to embrace each other’s worldviews. I can’t see it, but then of course I wouldn’t. Per Yahoo News:

Vice President Joe Biden waded into the contentious back-and-forth between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders over Clinton’s qualifications to serve as president, telling Mic in an exclusive interview that both candidates are “totally qualified” — adding that he’d “like to see a woman elected.”

The remarks came during an interview with Mic correspondent Antonia Hylton centered on Biden’s crusade against sexual assault, set to be released on Wednesday…

The way the two-time presidential candidate sees it, the Democrats’ war of words is par for the course in national campaigns.

“Look, they’re both totally qualified to be president. They both get in a fight. Campaigns do this. It’s like saying, you know, ‘She’s dead wrong’ or her saying, ‘He’s dead wrong’ on an issue,” the vice president said…

Asked whether he wanted to see a woman elected, Biden responded, “I would like to see a woman elected.”

The vice president’s staff then attempted to cut off discussion of the 2016 race, but Biden insisted he had “no problem” with discussing it — while making clear he would not go down “that rabbit [hole]” of offering a formal endorsement.

“The president and I are not going endorse because we both, when we ran said, ‘Let the party decide.’ But gosh almighty, they’re both qualified,” he said. “Hillary’s overwhelmingly qualified to be president.”…

Not gonna miss this primary season once it’s over, to be honest.

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  6. 6.

    cokane

    if you take a step back and not get wrapped up in every turn of the screw, then you’d realize it really hasn’t been a nasty primary campaign at all, it’s been pretty kid gloves for a prez campaign. ppl forget that the Rev. Wright shit and the Obama in Muslim garb photo were stories that broke in 08.

    ETA: obv only applying this to the Dem side

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    Rachel Robinson: He was NEVER EVER ashamed of his color….

    that’s right.
    that’s right.

    Jackie Robinson was a ‘Race Man’ – through and through.

  12. 12.

    Betty Cracker

    I agree with Joe; the campaign clashes are nothing new. And I agree with you; I’ll be glad to see the end of the primary.

  13. 13.

    Roger Moore

    @rikyrah:

    Jackie Robinson lettered in FOUR VARSITY SPORTS at UCLA.

    He was the first ever to letter in four sports. FWIW, baseball was basically a throw in for him in college, which is part of the reason he didn’t perform particularly well. Also, and very important for his future, UCLA (and before that Pasadena Junior College and Muir High) were all integrated schools, so he had experience playing on teams with white players. That was something Branch Rickey looked for when he was trying to find a player to break the color line.

  15. 15.

    Roger Moore

    @efgoldman:

    Nowadays a kid that good would be all involved in camps and travel teams in one sport.

    I’m not sure if that’s true of every sport. There are still a lot of players who wind up playing professionally who played more than one sport in college.

  17. 17.

    Luthe

    @sigaba: As Supreme Court positions were supposed to be non-partisan and that rapidly went down the crapper (see, Scalia, Antonin), I will take our elected Vice President. Though I’d love to go back to the days when the Vice President was more “first runner up” and less “running mate of the guy/gal who wants to be president.” It would make for some interesting politicking.

  23. 23.

    Adam L Silverman

    @John Cole: Really, I ask for violet, get it, and then it goes away. And when I check with Alain, I get “Cole’s orders”. But now you’re just handing them out? I see how it is.

  24. 24.

    jl

    Ha! Joe didn’t say he wanted to see a woman elected president in 2016! He’s a a secret BernieBro!
    Or not…

    Whew…. I was reading the tea leaves so hard for a second there, I’m scraping them out of my eyes and blowing them out of my nose.
    Is the whole interview up someplace? Looks like Biden is fired up and ready to go!
    The parts on other subjects might be interesting.

  26. 26.

    Ken

    @Luthe: Didn’t those days last about three elections, before they realized “interesting politicking” meant “President and VP loathe each other”?

  28. 28.

    Ken

    This just shows Biden is a tool of the Democratic establishment. Why else would he pick the one Democrat left in the race?

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    @jl: I did pick my color and was then told that Cole decided only he gets color. So now I’m colorless.

  36. 36.

    jl

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, obvs you didn’t pick it ‘right’ and you get a punch in the neck, Sunshine!

    Edit: as a mere reader and commenter, I can sit back and enjoy the chaos. What the front posters go through. I shudder to even think…

  38. 38.

    Roger Moore

    @Ken:

    Didn’t those days last about three elections, before they realized “interesting politicking” meant “President and VP loathe each other”?

    Not quite. What happened was that the original plan was invented before parties, with the assumption that electors would name the two people they thought were best for the job. The problem came in 1800, when there were parties and they wanted to nominate both a president and a vice president. But each elector had two votes, which they were supposed to cast for the two people on their party’s ticket. That resulted in a tie because the Republicans (known in history books as “Democratic Republicans”) didn’t figure out how to have one elector leave Burr’s name off the ballot so he’d wind up with one vote less than Jefferson. The election got thrown to the House of Representatives, which remained deadlocked for over 30 ballots until Hamilton came out in favor of Jefferson over Burr.

  51. 51.

    Mike J

    Since people discussed the Hamilton blowback earlier:

    Patrick Monahan @pattymo Patrick Monahan Retweeted New York Times Arts
    The Times’ famed Hamilton Desk takes up three floors. Working in shifts, 162 reporters cover the phenomenon 24/7

    New York Times Arts @nytimesarts
    Does “Hamilton” really get Alexander Hamilton right? http://nyti.ms/1RZRwBp

  72. 72.

    Cacti

    @guachi:

    Link to Clinton’s interview with the NYDN. Compare and contrast with Sanders’ interview. I think Clinton comes out ahead (easily).

    Clinton’s a wonk, Sanders is an applause line generator.

  76. 76.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @schrodinger’s cat: I briefly owned a very green horse who came with the name Bella. I added the Q; the best horse I ever owned was named Cupid Q, by his breeders. I showed him under a different name (My Funny Valentine) and promised myself that all my future horses would have Q at the end of the barn name.

    Not long after Bella Q’s arrival, I had my first MS flare which precluded all equine activities, so I sold her. After my MS was diagnosed, exacerbations have been on and off (mostly off!) but the expense of a chronic medical condition makes a new horse problematic.

    Not as entertaining as the hip hop artist from Idaho part, which I stole from Sarah Proud and Tall when she used it to make fun of DougJ during his DougJarvus Green Ellis period.

  77. 77.

    Anne Laurie

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Which advertising genius came up with Feel the Bern, it sounds like a PSA for an STD or a prescription drug ad.

    Still miles better than either #MississippiBerning or #BronxIsBurning, both of which have very unfortunate historical associations.

  80. 80.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I was just trying to adhere to the standards on this family friendly blog.

    Ah, when did this here blog become “family friendly”? Did you notice the previous front page post? Did this “family friendly” shit come up in the last hour or so? Fuck that shit!

  83. 83.

    gwangung

    @Anne Laurie:

    Still miles better than either #MississippiBerning or #BronxIsBurning, both of which have very unfortunate historical associations.

    Gee. Wonder how anyone got the notion that Sanders supporters could be a little…clueless….at times.

  94. 94.

    Alain the site fixer

    Al, FYI I made your Sunday garden chats a menu item to make them easier to find en masse. Keep up the great work!

  95. 95.

    lamh36

    @Omnes Omnibus: the movie or was there a documentary titled “42?

    This is actually the first doc I’ve seen solely on Jackie Robinson.

    Talking about the movie “42” seeing all the still shots of Robinson, you realize how Chad Boseman really did look alot like him in the movies

  96. 96.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @lamh36: The movie. I really was wondering about the differences between the fictionalized version of the movie and the doc.

  98. 98.

    lamh36

    “If Jackie was smart enough to pick her for his wife, he’s the guy you want’

    “it was us against the world” Rachel Robinson on her and ‪#‎JackieRobinsonPBS‬

    It took a strong woman to stand with Jackie, and “it says something that he chose a woman who was his equal as a partner.

    Now what current political couple, also making history much Jackie and Rachel did, does that sound like? Of course they make a cameo in the documentray together.

  101. 101.

    mclaren

    I will definitely miss this primary season when it’s over. More substantive discussion of issues that matter by the Democrats than any other election in my lifetime…and more entertaining lunacy from the Republicans than in any other election. Even Goldwater suggesting using atomic weapons on Vietnam wasn’t as crazy as the crap that volcanos out of Donald Trump’s mouth.

    Biden states the obvious and uses common sense. Easy to deduce he’ll get slammed for it. Quelle surprise!

  102. 102.

    lamh36

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh…well, I’m not too sure. I think they did a bit more softening of the entire thing for cinema audiences.

    But I suspect the documentary, was more candid and did not shy away from using ALL the language of the day and direct racist quotes from known names and writers and documented situations.

    Also too, I believe the movie didn’t focus on his more “radical” years towards the end of his baseball career and his political and activist years…that’s what tomorrow night’s will be about the 2nd half of his life

    Let’s see direct quotes like

    League player who proudly proclaimed, he “strengthened his arm as a boy by throwing rocks at niggers”

    Or the base Sarge who said about having integrated teams on base, “”I’ll break up the team rather than have a nigger on it”

    Or the sports writer when Jackie played for UCLA who wrote of him playing football saying “”dusky carried the football as if it was a watermelon, and he was running from it’s master”

    Even as I watched and tweeted, you had a few, not alot who tried not to focus on the that bit of it.

  104. 104.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Speaking of Jesus, for Omnes:

    Angels in leather –
    Except for the jack of hearts,
    Misters Gold and Mud

  106. 106.

    Adam L Silverman

    @lamh36: That’s why I prefer the two HBO documentaries on Frazier and Ali to the movie about Ali. You want to learn something you watch the docs, you want to be entertained, you watch the movie.

  108. 108.

    mclaren

    @? Martin:

    You have to wonder what’s next for him.

    Hopefully curing cancer.

    This is the same Joe Biden who spent four long years cheerleading the doomed and demented Iraq invasion? The same Joe Biden who repeatedly urged “a D-Day in the War on Drugs”? The same Joe Biden who wrote the original vile law creating asset forfeiture, allowing police to steal people’s money without even accusing them of committing a crime? The same Joe Biden who installed his son on the board of a Ukrainian oil company that the Washington Post described as “at best nepotistic, at worst nefarious”?

    That Joe Biden?

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @lamh36: Thank you. I will try to catch it. I could give two shits about baseball as a sport (my mom loves it and I love my mom so I watch Brewer games with her when I am home.) but Robinson mattered in a shitload of ways. In sports and beyond.

  111. 111.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: I hope you know how much I respect, admire, and enjoy your posts. They are always interesting (though I get lost in the comic geekdom) and your participate in them thoughtfully, and with good humor as well as great wit,

    But I must ask you, along with a few other of my favorite commenters, to refrain from using mental health and its treatment as comic material. Brain disorders are really not any more appropriate for jokes as cancer, or heart disease, or neurological difficulties. I can assure you that these diseases are every bit as lethal, yet US culture has tolerated their use as punchlines.

    It’s hurtful to many, and offensive to others (::waves ::), and contributes to the stigma against these very real, very physical diseases called mental illness. That stigma can prevent people who are very sick from seeking treatment. Some of those people who don’t get treatment die.

    Please consider that when making comments like

    You do understand that someone here can probably do a prescription for you?

    regardless of whether any hurtful intent is behind it.

    I confess that if I see one more comment that

    somebody/this person’s name/obnoxious asshole forgot to take their meds

    or

    forget your meds tonight?

    directed toward a commentor I will not respond in a civil fashion.

    People die from these diseases every day:

    There were 41,149 suicides in 2013 in the United
    States—a rate of 12.6 per 100,000 is equal to 113
    suicides each day or one every 13 minutes

    CDC link

    It’s not funny. I’ll get off my soapbox now. Thanks for reading.

  115. 115.

    mclaren

    @Adam L Silverman:

    In case your parody detector has malfunctioned, I’m not being serious. Oh, and the rest of you stop slamming Sliverman. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t serious either.

  117. 117.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @mclaren: If that comment I’m totally sure he wasn’t serious, because he’s not an insensitive guy. I do not believe I was slamming him, but that doesn’t make mocking serious diseases funny. I do not believe Dr. Silverman thinks I was slamming him either.

    If you disagree with both my assertions, in which case, rock on. And I hope to g*d you never have to know how serious stigma is.

  118. 118.

    Adam L Silverman

    @mclaren: @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): All good here. No worries. Though all the different allergy, or rather anti-allergy, meds they’re trying to get me where I don’t want to claw my face off have me ready to crash.

    You all have a good night and see you all later today/tomorrow depending where you are on the space-time continuum.

  120. 120.

    mclaren

    Seems to me that Hillary’s interview with the New York Daily News is self-serving and not particularly honest. For example:

    The second thing that happened was 9/11, which had quite dramatic effects on our economy for some period of time. And it was clearly focused on what happened here in the city, but it had ripple effects going upstate. And then, of course, the Great Recession, which hit as I was transitioning from my second term as senator to the Department of State.

    Yeah, well, there was that little matter of three trillion dollars down the rathole because of the illegal 2003 war of aggression in Iraq that you voted for, Senator Hillary. I think burning up that much money for nothing had a little something to do with how badly the economy tanked in 2009. But somehow you don’t seem to want to acknowledge that, do you, Hillary?

    Then Hillary goes on to say:

    Upstate New York has had a series of setbacks going back several decades now, lost a lot of industry first to the South, then lost a lot of industry overseas. And we did not have the right combination of economic tools there or in other places that experience the same kind of job decline to, number one, halt the trend and then to reverse it.

    Gee, Hills, that “series of setbacks going back several decades now” can be traced to that legislation you and your hubby rammed through congress called NAFTA. But once again, you don’t mention that. NAFTA, Hillary. It was a huge blow to the middle class working people in America. But Hillary just treats it as ‘something that happened,’ like a thunderstorm or a flood — instead of as legislation that she and her buddy fought for and helped pass and then, after its destructive economic effects became clear, tried to ignore her responsibility for.

    Hillary comes off as typically weasel-wordish in that interview. She does a lot of sidestepping and euphemizing. Senator Sanders? Not so much…

  121. 121.

    seaboogie

    @jl:

    It’s the special ‘John Cole’ blue.

    I, for one, appreciate that John Cole has fully embraced his inner feminist, and chosen the same color used in the eye-droppers of women’s mini/maxi pad commercials – making every post be a subtle statement of support of women, no matter what the subject. And also progressives. Yay you – John!
    /not snark

    I’m hoping Betty C picks mango, because Florida.

  122. 122.

    seaboogie

    @mclaren:

    Gee, Hills, that “series of setbacks going back several decades now” can be traced to that legislation you and your hubby rammed through congress called NAFTA

    Oh really? Hillary did that as First Lady?

    Her tenacity, forbearance and sense of humor after 24+ years of attacks continues to impress me. You, mclaren – not so much.

  123. 123.

    Aqualad08

    @Davebo:

    You have to wonder what’s next for him.

    Cast as Star Lord’s father in “Guardians of the Galaxy 2,” obviously…

  124. 124.

    Darkrose

    @rikyrah: Damn, I totally forgot to set th DVR!

    I heard Ken Burns talking to Dave Zirin on Zirin’s podcast last week. Burns had great stuff to say, including that “Republicans who are acting surprised by Trump are crying wolf.”

    I was also amused that Burns refused to take the bait when Zirin asked if the only reason Obama is in the Robinson documentary is because Burns felt like he had to because first black president. Burns started gushing about how Barack and Michelle reminded him of Jackie and Rachel, and how Obama had really been interested in the project.

  126. 126.

    Aqualad08

    @mclaren:

    Gee, Hills, that “series of setbacks going back several decades now” can be traced to that legislation you and your hubby rammed through congress called NAFTA.

    I live here, dingleberry. Upstate NY has been dying since the early 60’s, long before NAFTA. You really should read something that doesn’t validate your warped sense of history sometime…

  127. 127.

    The Lodger

    Wonder what Joe will do if the GOP nomination is given to Ryan. I’m thinking it will be like an early Christmas for him.

  128. 128.

    Darkrose

    @efgoldman: The Giants players get asked about this a lot at fan events, and the position players all say that it’s best for kids to play more than one sport. Buster Posey has said that he liked playing football and basketball because it was a change; by the time in the year when he was bored with baseball, it was football season.

    With pitchers, there’s so much pressure for them to not only learn to pitch, but to show their stuff to scouts while they’re still young. Most of the US-born guys who skip college ball tend to be pitchers (Bryce Harper’s really an exception). Of course, many people think that this pressure to throw a lot of innings is responsible for the increase in Tommy John’s surgery, to the point where some kids are having it before an actual problem has been identified.

  129. 129.

    mclaren

    @seaboogie:

    Her tenacity, forbearance and sense of humor after 24+ years of attacks continues to impress me.

    Hillary didn’t show much “forbearance” when it came time to mire America in a pointless self-destructive illegal war of aggression in Iraq, did she?

    And Hillary didn’t show much “forbearance” when she enthusiastically advocated getting us into the Libya quagmire.

    If Hillary had shown more forbearance, she’d have made a lot better senator and an infinitely superior Secretary of State.

    As for tenacity, Hillary tenaciously defended that Iraq war clusterfuck long after it had become obvious to almost everyone else that it was a disaster. Hills would have done better to show a lot less tenacity.

    And as long as you’re describing “statements of fact” as “attacks,” I guess that gives the sign that it’s open season on abusing and misusing words — so the most appropriate description of your statement is that it proves you’re wanted by the police for cannibalism and cruelty to animals. Where the phrase “wanted by the police for cannibalism and cruelty to animals” means “you disagree with me.” if you can twist a recitation of documented facts into the word “attack,” it’s legit for me to twist “you disagree with me” into “it proves you’re wanted by the police for cannibalism and cruelty to animals.”

    Words, motherfucker. They have meanings. And when you ignore what words mean, it comes back to bite you in the ass.

  130. 130.

    A Humble Lurker

    @mclaren: You know about the whole moonshot initiative, right?

    Also, yes, in our strange little world all those things you listed and curing cancer are funnily enough not mutually exclusive. Just like you can be a brain surgeon and…well, be Ben Carson.

  131. 131.

    seaboogie

    @mclaren: Yeah, well – you still didn’t explain why Hilz is responsible for NAFTA when she was FLOTUS, but rant away, little dogie…assemble an assload of words into paragraphs….

  132. 132.

    John S.

    Not gonna miss this primary season once it’s over, to be honest

    Not gonna miss your blogging during this primary season once it’s over, to be honest.

    A noun, a verb, Bernie seems to be the extent of your repertoire lately.

  133. 133.

    Aimai

    @mclaren: the money dpent on the iraq war was, during the time period under discussion, a stimulus. Just like the second world war. In addition no one expected bush to cut taxes and run the war off the books. The aUMF had nothing to do with funding.

  135. 135.

    mclaren

    @Aimai:

    the money dpent on the iraq war was, during the time period under discussion, a stimulus.

    Excellent example of the demented economic “logic” of neoliberalism. And if someone were to drop a nuclear bomb on New York, why…the hundreds of billions of dollars required to clean up that whole mess and rebuild would also be a stimulus!

    In fact, to the degraded and deluded economist who pledges allegiance to neoliberalism, everything is a stimulus…since everything requires money to fix. The Holocaust? A great economic stimulus! The Grand Inquisition? An even bigger economic stimulus! The Black Death? The greatest economic stimulus conceivable. Just think how much cash we’d have to spend to burn all the corpses and dig all those burial pits.

    Do you people even listen to youselves? Do you even bother to work out the twisted reasoning that has led you off the cliff and into midair where you frantically pedal your feet?

  136. 136.

    mclaren

    @seaboogie:

    Yeah, well – you still didn’t explain why Hilz is responsible for NAFTA when she was FLOTUS, but rant away, little dogie..

    Indeed. Stating the documented fact that the Clintons bear a lot of responsibility (though not all) for our current Incarceration State that makes America the shame of the world, with more our own citizens in prison per capita than in the Soviet Union at the height of its tyranny — that is a “rant.”

    Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton was there, in the White House while her hubby was working hard to destroy black communities across America by imprisoning their men for non-violent crimes. Hillary supported the 1994 crime bill. Hillary gave speeches in favor of it. Hillary spoke to audiences to warn them of mythical “superpredators” in support of that wretched crime bill.

    And yet Hillary bears no responsibility.

    Boy, that’s the Clinton political touch, isn’t it? You’re there, you support a bad policy, you speak out in favor of it…but no, no, nooooooooooooo, you’re not responsible.

    That’s the Clintons in a nutshell. They make themselves wealthy by serving in public life, then when the effects of their disastrous policies tear a swath of carnage through America, they disclaim all responsibility. They’re not to blame! The Clintons aren’t responsible! They were just there…in the White House. They were just mysteriously loitering around in the vicinity while all these terrible things happened. But don’t blame them, they just happened to be residing in the West Wing during the whole debacle.

    This is the Clinton’s hallmark — create havoc, then disclaim responsibility. America’s economy collapses because Bill Clinton ripped out the pilings that held the foundation of our financial system up by signing off on ending Glass-Steagall? The Clintons weren’t to blame ! They just happened to be in the neighborhood when all that stuff happened.

    This is also the hallmark of 21st century America — no one is responsible for anything anymore. George W. Bush blew up Iraq and trashed our economy. And who’s responsible? Obama, of course! Bill Clinton revoked Glass-Steagall and signed those vile crime bills and bad welfare deform legislation, but he’s not responsible. Who is? George W. Bush, of course! And so it goes, on and on, backwards through time…no one is ever responsible for anything. It was the first caveman who invented fire, that’s who we should blame! It was the person who invented the wheel, back in the ages before history!

    The total inability of our leaders to accept responsibility for anything is one of the major reasons for the rise of Bernie Sanders and the dementia engendered by Trump. When no one is responsible, why not propose insane policies? You can then disclaim responsibility, because, hey! Suppose we do build a giant wall with Mexico and it all blows up in our face and our balance of trade collapses and the economy tanks? Doesn’t matter, we’re not responsible. We were all just in the neighborhood when those bad bad bad things happened.

  137. 137.

    Miss Bianca

    @mclaren: Oh, for Christ’s sake, mclaren…this is just pathetic. I mean, you’re not dumb…you *do* realize a lot of African-American leaders supported the crime bill, right? You do realize that Your Hero Bernie Sanders *also* voted for it? Sure, now he can claim that he was doing so for totes pure reasons, but that’s being a politician, ain’t it? “Oh, Hillary Clinton is responsible for this horrible crime bill, because her husband was President! I mean, more responsible than I was, who voted for it, unlike her, but also unlike her, MY HEART WAS PURE!”

    Jeez. What weak sauce.

  138. 138.

    Aqualad08

    @mclaren:

    Doesn’t matter, we’re not responsible. We were all just in the neighborhood when those bad bad bad things happened.

    So, other than petulantly yelling at people for not being as pure as you think you are in your fever dreams, what are you doing to change that? What happens when the dog chasing the car finally catches it?

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