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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Late Night Open Thread: Too Soon?

Late Night Open Thread: Too Soon?

by Anne Laurie|  April 23, 201610:45 pm| 60 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Popular Culture, Clown Shoes

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Is Hamilton the first musical to potentially influence a big government decision? Cats didn’t, right?

— Elise Foley (@elisefoley) April 20, 2016

Well, "Our American Cousin" wasn't a musical… https://t.co/JG3TnX9ckf

— daveweigel (@daveweigel) April 20, 2016

*I* laughed, because I am a terrible person.

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  1. 1.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 23, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    A friend of mine got hit by a car on his motorcycle about a month ago. He’d been in and out of it for a while, never quite made it back, and tonight he finally stopped waking up. RIP

  2. 2.

    redshirt

    April 23, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    We’re all terrible, Anne.

  3. 3.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: My condolences on your loss.

  4. 4.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Condolences

  5. 5.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Prince and Misty Copeland perform “The Beautiful Ones”

    “The beautiful ones, they leave you everytime…”

    Apparently, according to his JW faith, the body of Prince was cremated and they held a small private memorial with friends and family at Paisley Park.

    Afterward, employees at Paisley Park handed out purple gift bags to 100s of fans outside Paisely Park… I’m betting all this was planned by Prince according to his wishes…he seemed to love his fans.

  6. 6.

    Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    April 23, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    Apparently “Joseph & the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat” had a big effect on John Kasich.

  7. 7.

    Schlemazel Khan

    April 23, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Sorry to hear that.

  8. 8.

    Schlemazel Khan

    April 23, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    “Spring Time For Hitler” is a major force in Ted Cruz life . . . but he does not get that it is a comedy

  9. 9.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @lamh36: Wow.

  10. 10.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @lamh36:

    The “FUNKNROLL” singer, who died Thursday at 57, had “very precise ideas” of how he wanted to be laid to rest — and so shortly after his body was released from a 9 a.m. autopsy in Ramsey, Minn., family members had his body cremated at a funeral home about 2 p.m., sources told the British paper.

    “He wanted it to be kept to the minimum of fuss. Prince was such figure you don’t need a funeral to remember him by,” a family friend said. “He wanted to simply disappear with no fuss, no drama, no fanfare. It was just his style.”

    http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/prince-quietly-cremated-no-fuss-no-drama-autopsy-article-1.2612318

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    Epicurus

    April 23, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    You must know this old joke? “Aside from that, what did you think of the play, Mrs. Lincoln?”

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    benw

    April 23, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    Pretty sure that most decisions in the W administration came from too many reruns of Rambo, but that wasn’t exactly a musical, either.

  13. 13.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    April 23, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Damn. As a fellow rider, I really hate hearing stuff like this. My condolences to you and all who loved him.

  14. 14.

    Amir Khalid

    April 23, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @benw:
    I suppose it depends on whether the sound of gunfire is music to one’s ears.

  15. 15.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Alright, in other music news, I watched Beyonce’s Lemonade visual album thing on HBO.

    Alright… the Lemonade video…things i enjoyed,
    1) the Blackness of it. I already see certain folk confused by the imagery used. (FYI, when coming up with think pieces about it, I’d like to hope folks run it bay their AA BFF, before hitting publish…just saying white folks…save yourselves some pain… :-)
    2) NOLA…how can I not…love a video that from what I can see was filmed almost entirely in NOLA and surrounding parishes.
    3) The mothers of Trayvon and others, I admit, Mike Brown’s mom, got me.
    4) many shades of Black womenhood…Quvenzhané, Zendaya, Amandla, baby Blu…old, young, all represented.

    Things I didnt’ enjoy..
    1) Length…I’ve been at work all day, so it was too long for me…but okay.
    2) I hate the entire bait and switch thing on whether she was talking about Jay…instead, it was likely a mix of talking about her father and her mother’s divorce and her own marital woes. If it was a direct reflection of her marital woes, I’d feel real bad for Jay Z…

    Essentially it was one big marketing/PR push for her new album, which, of course, dropped immediately after the video ended.

  16. 16.

    eclare

    April 23, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m so sorry, friends are precious

  17. 17.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh36:

    1) the Blackness of it. I already see certain folk confused by the imagery used. (FYI, when coming up with think pieces about it, I’d like to hope folks run it bay their AA BFF, before hitting publish…just saying white folks…save yourselves some pain… :-)

    I kept noticing things in “Formation” every time I watched. Other people pointed out more. And I know I missed so much. No think pieces from me.

  18. 18.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Prince knew female talent when he saw it didnt he? This was pre-PrimaBallerina Misty Copeland too

    As an aside…who remember George Lopez had a talk show…..??

  19. 19.

    redshirt

    April 23, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @efgoldman: Don’t forget Iron Man 3 in which the VP is revealed to be under the paid influence of AIM. The President is hung in chains during the climatic final scene. Garry Shandling is Hydra.

  20. 20.

    Anya

    April 23, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @lamh36: I didn’t think there was any bait and switch. It was pretty clear it was about Jay Z. Her father made an appearance because he probably made an impact on her. But the larger theme was about her marriage and how she went from rage to forgiveness and a warning in between. She was basically telling Jay Z that if he did this again then she will not forgive him.

  21. 21.

    eclare

    April 23, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @lamh36: Wow…thank you.

  22. 22.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    April 23, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Very sorry to hear of your loss. You have my sincere condolences.

  23. 23.

    seaboogie

    April 23, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: So sorry that you’ve lost the temporal companionship of your friend – may he RIP with Bowie and Prince and all who preceeded him, and may you find solace in a continued inner dialogue with him.

  24. 24.

    Schlemazel Khan

    April 23, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    This is a true story – Wilson was very fond of “Birth Of A Nation” and watched in in the White House Several times.
    Among Wilson’s achievements was an executive order prohibiting the hiring of blacks and removing as many from their federal jobs as possible. He also mandated segregation in the armed forces and sent the Marines to Haiti to remove the democratically elected black government & install a white dictatorship.

    Not a musical but it did seem to have some affect on the old racist bastard

  25. 25.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @lamh36: Cat Glover. Mayte. Not just singers. Dancers too.

  26. 26.

    seaboogie

    April 23, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @lamh36: “The beautiful ones, they leave you everytime…”

    And now that Prince is beyond, we can learn more about what a truly beautiful and compassionate soul he is.

    …

  27. 27.

    redshirt

    April 23, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @efgoldman: The MCU is our modern mythology. Don’t you want to know the next adventures of Hercules?

  28. 28.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    Prince Tribute on SNL on now!

  29. 29.

    Peale

    April 23, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    Little known fact: at the intermission to “On the Town”, Eleanor Roosevelt was overheard telling Franklin that the story of three sailors in shore leave in New York would make more sense if there was an actual war.

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @redshirt: He just isn’t interested in it. Nor am I. OTOH, efg probably wouldn’t have gone to a Ramonathon after Joey’s death, and I am unlikely like to watch a marathon of the Ring cycle.

  31. 31.

    redshirt

    April 23, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @lamh36: Thank you. Watching that old school performance was beautiful.

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Sorry for your loss.

  33. 33.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    Watching SNL too.

  34. 34.

    benw

    April 23, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @efgoldman: oh yeah, I did forget “24”. I think Cheney thought it was a documentary.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    April 23, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    One could well make an argument for influence (or planting of influence leading to erosion of longstanding policy) by Show Boat and perhaps South Pacific as well. Also (albeit with more qualms) for Hair.

  36. 36.

    redshirt

    April 23, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @rikyrah: He’s so good.

  37. 37.

    lamh36

    April 23, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @BlackGirlNerds
    Best comic book movie soundtrack of all time is 1989 Batman #PrinceRIP

    http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/1404/8594c360-ea33-0133-2436-0e1b1c96d76b.gif?

    Any doubters?

  38. 38.

    Miss Bianca

    April 23, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Oh, no! So sorry to hear it. My condolences.

  39. 39.

    jim parente

    April 23, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @rikyrah: I have lost many friends over the years. I know how you feel. Remember your friendship and smile, laugh or cry, as appropriate. Be happy that he was in your life. Peace.

  40. 40.

    Miss Bianca

    April 23, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @lamh36: Having just heard excerpts from that soundtrack today during The Current’s retrospective, I’m gonna say, “I need to see that movie again!”

  41. 41.

    jim parente

    April 23, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    I am a fumble finger Boob. My condolances go out to Major Major Maojr.

  42. 42.

    NotMax

    April 24, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @lamh36

    First Star Wars soundtrack. For all intents and purposes, a comic book movie (sans prior paper product) at the time.

  43. 43.

    lamh36

    April 24, 2016 at 12:01 am

    @Anya: Yeah, I can see it being both about her own marital woes and the things her daddy did to her mama

  44. 44.

    The Lodger

    April 24, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Sorry for your loss. Lingering departures can be the worst.

  45. 45.

    lamh36

    April 24, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @NotMax: in the realist sense of the word though, Star Wars originally put out was not a comic book movie.

    But I see ur point instrumentally for sure…but I’d still say Prince’s Batman stands out. To be honest, I don’t even recall the soundtrack being a thing…

    Oh, and I’d say, Flash Gordon may actually beat Batman, and the soundtrack for Flash Gordon was better than the movie

  46. 46.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 24, 2016 at 12:24 am

    @lamh36:

    Oh, and I’d say, Flash Gordon may actually beat Batman, and the soundtrack for Flash Gordon was better than the movie

    No.

  47. 47.

    Anne Laurie

    April 24, 2016 at 12:27 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Condolences on your loss.

  48. 48.

    Anne Laurie

    April 24, 2016 at 12:36 am

    @lamh36: Truly extraordinary!

    Here’s something you might enjoy… Prince meant different things to different people, including some quite unlikely fans. Here’s Kevin Smith, Sancho Panza to Prince’s Quixote, mocking his own inability to comprehend the thought process of a totally original mind…

    Last line: “… Not once, during that whole week, did he ever play Bat Dance!”

  49. 49.

    NotMax

    April 24, 2016 at 12:40 am

    @lamh36

    The difference between a movie based on a comic book and a comic book movie is one scholars shall be arguing over for centuries.

    ;)

  50. 50.

    redshirt

    April 24, 2016 at 12:44 am

    The Prince Show is awesome.

  51. 51.

    David Spikes

    April 24, 2016 at 12:44 am

    @efgoldman: He eliminated all black postmasters because he was afraid they might give orders to white people-until recently Wilson got a pass on just about everything, but what an evil shit that man was.

  52. 52.

    No One You Know

    April 24, 2016 at 1:02 am

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m so sorry, Major Major Major Major. May your friend indeed rest in peace, having lived his life doing what he loved…I can hope.

    (Sits quietly, passes sandwiches)

  53. 53.

    Brachiator

    April 24, 2016 at 1:05 am

    @Major Major Major Major: This is very sad news. My deepest condolences on your loss.

  54. 54.

    redshirt

    April 24, 2016 at 1:10 am

    Jeepers.

  55. 55.

    Miss Bianca

    April 24, 2016 at 1:14 am

    @David Spikes: I’ve been sketching out this crazy idea for a comic book history of the United States called “Time Assassin”. Basically it deals with this superhero who goes back in time, grabs significant historical characters from America’s past, and then sets up a tribunal – kind of a cross between “This Is Your Life!” and Brecht’s “The Trial of Lucullus” – where posterity gets to judge them. At the end of the trial the jury decides whether this person’s reputation should be murdered or saved. First story’s “hero” is…Woodrow Wilson. Doesn’t go so well for him. I was thinking John Brown might be next.

  56. 56.

    redshirt

    April 24, 2016 at 1:15 am

    @redshirt: Seriously. Prince and Beyonce with celebrity guest.

    And those performances. Wow.

  57. 57.

    Brachiator

    April 24, 2016 at 1:55 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: RE: Haiti. President Vilbrun Sam was the fifth president in five years (ancient Rome had a similar period of turmoil), and was murdered by a mob. The US intervention installed a mulatto president. The US military there, dominated by Southern officers and abetted by Wilson, continued and exacerbated the colorist hierarchy which had always been a problem for the country. Successive presidents, even after the US withdrawal, were either lighter skinned blacks or men dominated by the mulatto elites.

    But even before Wilson authorized his invasion, the US often meddled in Haiti and kept dissension going. And often the Monroe Doctrine was invoked. It’s a sad history which really deserves deeper exploration. School kids’ heads would explode if they had to cover this stuff.

  58. 58.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 24, 2016 at 10:05 am

    @NotMax:

    For all intents and purposes, a comic book movie (sans prior paper product) at the time.

    Though Star Wars wasn’t based on a comic, the Marvel Comics adaptation did start running slightly before the movie appeared in theaters, so I guess in that sense there actually was prior paper product.

  59. 59.

    gbear

    April 24, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Here’s Kevin Smith, Sancho Panza to Prince’s Quixote, mocking his own inability to comprehend the thought process of a totally original mind

    Umm, that’s not the impression I got from watching that. He may have mocked his own ability to figure Prince out, but he also gave the impression that he was genuinely pissed off at Prince for being a user.

  60. 60.

    eyelessgame

    April 24, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    I believe I have to make the case that Camelot had a major influence about fifty-five years ago.

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