Two different campaigns:
Sanders headlined a rally with 6k people in MD this afternoon.
HRC is at a round table on jobs in CT w 30 people.— Dan Merica (@danmericaCNN) April 23, 2016
For the second day, Clinton largely ignores Sanders, only subtly mentioning him at event. This is a marked departure from the NY primary.
— Dan Merica (@danmericaCNN) April 23, 2016
For a lazy Sunday evening, the AP has the latest delegate update:
Hillary Clinton can’t win enough delegates on Tuesday to officially knock Bernie Sanders out of the presidential race, but she can erase any lingering honest doubts about whether she’ll soon be the Democratic nominee.
After her victory in New York this past week, Clinton has a lead over Sanders of more than 200 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses. As she narrowed Sanders’ dwindling opportunities to catch up, Clinton continued to build on her overwhelming support among superdelegates — the party officials who are free to back any candidate they choose. In the past two days, Clinton picked up 11 more endorsements from superdelegates, according to an Associated Press survey.
Factoring in superdelegates, Clinton’s lead stands at 1,941 to 1,191 for Sanders, according to the AP count. That puts her at 81 percent of the 2,383 delegates needed to win the nomination.
At stake Tuesday are 384 delegates in primaries in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island. This group of contests offers Sanders one of the last chances left on the election calendar to gain ground in pledged delegates and make a broader case to superdelegates to support him.
Yet it appears Clinton could do well enough Tuesday to end the night with 90 percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination, leaving her just 200 or so shy.
The Sanders campaign knows a tough battle awaits in those five states and says it will reassess its campaign after Tuesday. If Sanders fails to win significantly in the latest primaries, he won’t have another chance to draw closer in a big way until California votes on June 7.
Clinton is on track to already have hit the magic number of 2,383 by that point…
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Apart from the number-crunching, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the weekend?
Big problem for Sanders is his “revolution” is mostly online. Online is important, but to effectively do field you have to be on doorsteps
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 23, 2016
2008 Obama won by putting a huge amount of money in to field. From what I can see, Sanders spending higher % on TV/radio/online than OFA did
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 23, 2016
@DemFromCT @DanaHoule Also, for Sanders, those rallies are fundraisers for his small donor base, who click "donate" whenever he livestreams.
— Matt Marcotte (@MattMarcotte) April 23, 2016
The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016
Fun’s fun, but I’m with Betty. This show’s over, let’s move on to the next act.
Mike J
Huge rallies are expensive and don’t convert to voters. Sanders is spending hundreds of thousand per month on buses to bring people in.
Hoodie
So, does Bernie shut down the prayer line after Tuesday? I say unlikely, but why waste all that money, especially in CA?
Trentrunner
So Bernie wouldn’t disavow surrogate Dawson bringing up Lewinsky?
Well, fuck him with a rusty pitchfork. He’s demonstrated for the 987th time how he’s not up to the job of 1) being President, or 2) being a goddam Democrat.
Really, just fuck him. I’m so done with that dude.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Mike J:
There was a picture on twitter of a rally in Baltimore, that was all mostly young, all white people. In Baltimore. So yeah, they’re busing in rally attendants.
sinnedbackwards
Missed the chance on the down-page thread about Bernie’s retread.
The troll is blathering ignorantly about debt. Back in 2010 Meg Whitman spent lotsa cash and ran an ad along the lines of “30 years ago when I was a student in California everything was great yada yada.” Even the press called her on the own-goal when they realized who had been guv then — Jerry Brown.
Similarly, the last time the US government ran surpluses – which would have continued for many years without Shrub’s welfare for the rich tax deform – a Clinton was president.
Something to think about.
burnspbesq
I think it’s possible for Tuesday’s results to put Sanders in a position where he needs more than 100 percent of the remaining delegates in order to win.
Even that, I’m afraid, won’t be enough to convince many Berniacs that it’s not happening.
And God help you if you remind them that, by the simple expedient of learning the rules, Obama won under the same “rigged” “system.”
different-church-lady
Within 24 hours Sanders says some neighborhoods in Baltimore compare unfavorably to war zones and totalitarian countries, and then also says he loses primaries because poor people don’t vote.
It’s like he’s trying to get me to think he’s a clueless asshole.
Jacel
It would be good if Sanders kept up an intense campaign (rallies and all) in California. When the state votes in June, it will include more than just the presidential primaries. There are real state and local issues being voted on. Also, with the new Jungle Primary system, which determines which two candidates will be on the ballot in November for Senate, House, and statewide offices, getting a high number of Democratic-inclined voters to show up in June can make the difference for some offices of there being a Democrat on the ballot at all in November.
burnspbesq
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
I had someone in my FB feed a few days ago proclaiming the Sanders was going to win big in Maryland, and that Baltimore City would be key to the outcome
I almost couldn’t bear to ask her if she understood the demographics of the state.
dmsilev
@Hoodie: He’s going to campaign at least through California etc., and probably through DC a week later. No real reason not to. The question will be the tone and tenor his campaign adopts over the last month. Will it swing back towards the more issue-oriented emphasis that he used back in the fall and early winter, or will he go all “with my last dying breath, I spit at thee” towards Clinton. I’m guessing (and hoping) for the former, but at least some subset of his followers are looking for the latter. The 2008 PUMA example suggests that the bitter-end faction will turn out to be small enough to ignore in the end, but we’ll see.
different-church-lady
@burnspbesq: He’s poised, I tell you, POISED!!!
Baud
The only reason Bernie is in the race was to end all the coronation talk about Hillary. He and Hillary are in cahoots. It’s all kabuki. Wake up, sheep1e!
Tripod
The thing about that inevitable revolution (because the youth vote, yadda, yadda)… she fought this campaign with one hand, both eyes, and both legs pointing toward the general. Robby Mook has run a hell of a tight fiscal and delegate counting ship. On account of those boffo fundraising numbers, Bernie’s media spend rate was crazy big relative to hers, and it got him jack shit.
Baud
@Tripod:
Yeah, Bernie did a great job fundraising, but Hillary did a better job with her spending.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@burnspbesq:
My FB feed of the most Bernfeeling Bernfeelers have dwindled to one, who is now posting conspiracy theories about Hillary stealing NY, and Jill Stein fund raising sites. Sad!
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
The race is over.
I’m not sure it’s worth discussing anymore.
Sure, Baud! is still out there, living off the land, waging a guerilla campaign, so you have to keep your eyes open.
But it’s time to turn attention to the Veep stakes and the general election.
Mike J
@Tripod:
We should also correct the record on his social media. He’s spent millions every month with Revolution Media who have had full time trolls all over for almost a year.
burnspbesq
@Jacel:
I’m not worried about turnout here. The chance to replace Boxer with Harris is plenty of incentive for Dems to turn out.
dmsilev
@burnspbesq:
Clinton is in good shape, but not quite that good. Using the AP numbers at top, she needs another 440 delegates (pledged plus super) to reach an absolute majority. There are about 380 pledged at stake on Tuesday, so even a clean sweep (which isn’t going to happen) would leave her 60 short. That’s a lot of supers to come out at once.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Like Romney, I have failed to prepare a concession speech.
lollipopguild
@different-church-lady: I think the correct word is Hosed.
burnspbesq
OT: Good f’in grief.
http://katu.com/news/local/after-66-years-central-district-church-wakes-up-to-hate-crime
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Hiring Robby Mook, not being spooked after Michigan, and hearing NOTHING about shakeups and leaks from inside HRC HQ, gives me comfort and hope for the general. She’s learned from past mistakes, and that was my biggest concern. She’s listening to the right people, who are on it.
Dan
@Tripod:
I gotta say, HRC’s campaign this time around has been so, so much better than her ’08 campaign. It’s like night and day. This time a significant portion of her staff are women / PoC, they’ve made some really smart hires away from the private sector (just like Obama’s team did in ’08!), and they’ve shown an admirable focus on grinding out the work and not getting too caught up in the day-to-day petty dramas of the Politicos of the world. Mook, the first openly gay (and totally adorable) major pres. campaign manager, deserves a lot of credit – but so does Hillary.
the whole thing just… feels more authentically her this time around. all of the listening events she’s done where she talks to locals about specific problems in their communities. (this was a big part of how she won over NYers when she first ran for Senate, especially upstate.) The fact that most of her press interviews have been with local press this time around (like Obama in ’08). The willingness to stake out some declaratively liberal ground early on, even before Sanders got into the race.
I have my reservations with HRC, primarily around foreign policy. Nobody’s perfect. But I’ll be darned if her campaign hasn’t taken me from “cautiously accepting of Prez Hillary” to “honestly excited for Prez Hillary”.
Mike J
@burnspbesq: In “enlightened” Seattle.
zzyzx
@burnspbesq: California has too many delegates for that to be possible.
maryQ
Bernie Sanders-the guy who believes that Rosario Dawson is a great actress, and that all those kids will show up to the polls for midterm elections even when he hasn’t instituted single payer on day one.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@burnspbesq: Racist idiots can’t even draw a swastika correctly.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@burnspbesq:
Someone hasn’t seen The Wire.
Ken
@Mike J: Really? I thought the trolls were unpaid volunteers.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
Me, I’ll crawl over broken glass to support that woman. Like Obama before her, she not only learns from mistakes, she’s cautiously, conservatively progressive and seems to understand the need to build support and constituencies.
Sanders is incapable of that – his core political philosophy is one of purity and impatience, and the errors you’re perceiving aren’t so much errors, but instead direct manifestations of how his philosophy plays out in the real world.
Yutsano
@Jacel: I’m thinking of the electoral disaster in Wisconsin where the Bernie bots voted for Sanders and then completely ignored the rest of the ballot. They haven’t shown themselves to be team players for anyone else but Bernie and that attitude needs to stop, especially in California. There needs to be a Senator Kamala Harris dammit!
Baud
@efgoldman:
I’m still pissed about 54°40′ or Fight.
We. Got. Neither.
different-church-lady
@Yutsano: Is California open or closed?
Could be over before then. A perceptive Sanders would start stumping for Harris.
different-church-lady
@Baud: Have you decided between going hard or going home?
Mike in NC
We all just got back from another exhausting vacation day of sightseeing, shopping, and eating. Highlight was a visit to Heavenly Ski Resort in South Lake Tahoe, California, to ride the gondola to the top of the mountain. The vista was insanely gorgeous. Tomorrow we’re doing a 2-1/2 hour scenic cruise of the lake.
Baud
@different-church-lady: I don’t know what that means, but it sounds dirty.
different-church-lady
@Baud: No wonder the yutes won’t vote for you.
M31
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
my favorite
Sieg Fail:
rikyrah
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Danielle Henderson ✔ @knottyyarn
Man: She texted me 3 lemons
Friend: GET OUT OF THE HOUSE
Man: But what does it me–
Friend: I SAID RUN, MUTHAFUCKA
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Yeah, but I thought I had a lock in the olds who couldn’t see the names in the ballot clearly and may have had a bit of dementia.
You know. . . regular voters.
patroclus
I understand from a prior thread that astronauts have been running up a lot of debt. I think we should raise their salaries.
Just something to think about.
Mike J
@efgoldman:
I’ve had good liberals (nobody from a Balloon-juice meetup, but real live certifiable liberals) make the kind of statements I heard growing up in the south when they were sure there were none of “them” around.
A Ghost To Most
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
This. I want Big O’s third term, or a reasonable facsimile.
Yutsano
@different-church-lady: California is…weird. You get a ballot and then if you’re a Democrat or non-affiliated you can vote in the primary. The key is “non-affiliated” as a lot of California independents have found they are actually in a far-right fringe party called the American Independent party. The Californians will fill in the rest of the details.
Bernie has only bothered to give money to three other people besides himself across the country. Team politics ain’t his gig.
@patroclus:
It’s the faxed credenzas of the 2016 election! And now we know what happened to Michael Gass.
Ben Cisco
@patroclus: HA! Now you’ve got me laughing at that all over again.
AkaDad
@Mike J: People who troll are dicks.
Anyway, shouldn’t we be talking about what happens when Hillary is indicted?
Elie
@Tripod:
Mook is definitely “da man” — on the Kos site a couple of days ago they were saying that though Bernie outraised Clinton, he also outspent her and Clinton has a nice 29M stash still to go. Boy seems to know what he is doing. Bernie — well — its gotta be four shades of emotional for him… He is gonna get his ass whipped and he has spent most of his life staying outside of any real risk of losing. Its not an accident that he circles in his own orbit and doesn’t play with others well. He has a massive inferiority complex under that overtly narcissistic persona… He does not know how to do this exit with class — only “thumb in your eye”. Some goodies might lessen that but its not yet time to dangle them… have to maybe show him the stick a little also to make him know he just can’t have the full on baby hissy fit — and that might include silencing some of his little assassins.. Each loss will be a crisis but each will also make him easier to reign in…. Like Cesar Milan backing an aggressive but fearful dog into submission by “claiming his space” and gently putting him into a safe corner where he has to give in…
different-church-lady
@patroclus: No, please, don’t make me go hunting for that, I gotta know…
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Search for Matt Rogers in today’s threads. You’ll get a kick out of it.
ThresherK
@sinnedbackwards: Meg (The Poor Woman’s Carly Fiorina) Whitman?
I’d forgotten about her.
PSRelated note to Linda McMahon, if you’re listening: Connecticut doesn’t want you. Give it up.
Baud
@efgoldman: I think the jury is still out on that. The FEC form is apparently not altogether clear.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@A Ghost To Most:
He would hand over a turnkey operation – she’d know a lot of them already, and wouldn’t have to try to replace everyone. Sanders wouldn’t even know where to start. If she chose Tom Perez as VP, he’s got a bunch of constituencies who would buy right in. He’s a Hispanic labor guy, smart and honest.
A Ghost To Most
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
That sounds about right, although part of me wants her to keep Uncle Joe, for the comic relief. Hillary doesn’t have Big O’s comic touch. At all.
Elie
BTW, as a delegate to the county convention, I am going to receive training and briefing by Hillary’s campaign to prepare us for “the madness”.. Very organized and personal outreach via email and personal contact… I am impressed….
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@different-church-lady: Oh by all means, please go look. That was some sad trombone level stuff.
different-church-lady
@Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): My search-fu is terrible. Please, take pity on this soul…
Mike J
@Elie:
Weaver has no interest in class. Devine has a lot of experience with how to lose. Devine wants to get paid, and wants Hillary to help Bernie fundraise to pay off his debt. He’ll send Weaver back to the comic book store , put his hand up Bernie’s ass, and make him say whatever it takes to get the vendors paid.
Ampersand
Hillary is absolutely going to win the primary. I made peace with that months ago.
She’ll have my vote in the GE. I just hope that she doesn’t become even more of a centrist.
gogol's wife
@different-church-lady:
A troll who wanted to complain about the “astronomical debt” that Obama has run up got tripped up by autocorrect and was complaining about the “astronauts’ local debt” or some such.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Start here.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@different-church-lady: But of course: https://balloon-juice.com/2016/04/24/dont-you-wanna-go-1999/#comment-5772655
Mike J
@gogol’s wife: He shows up, drop one troll turd, and gets 30 responses. And now dozens more when he’s not even here.
gogol's wife
@efgoldman:
It’s the 21st-century Blob.
gogol's wife
@Mike J:
Come on now, there were at least three turds.
Mike J
@gogol’s wife: OK, one per thread.
Robert Sneddon
@Baud: The FEC form simply reports the financial affairs of a political committee for Sanders to run in Vermont in 2018. It doesn’t mean that Senator Sanders himself has made any overt moves towards running in 2018 at all, never mind as an Independent candidate.
As far as I know officially filing in Vermont to run can’t actually happen until early 2018.
hovercraft
Sometimes I just feel there is no hope for mankind, I’ll just drop this turd right here for you.
L.A. Guns Offers Bizarre ‘Not Racist’ Prince Tribute: ‘Black People Are All One-Dimensional’
Ella inNew Mexico
It’s not looking good for Bernie, for sure. But as someone who doesn’t even get to vote until June, I want him to stay in it til the end, with the caveat he sticks to the issues and stays positive about Clinton. I’ve noticed a reduction in his aggressiveness towards her in the past couple of days. As long as he plays nice, there’s no need to bail before a huge number of people who support him get their chance t vote.
And in spite of what folks might think, I want him to stay in not because I think he can win–he can’t– but because I want to see the impact of the ideas he is talking about become a solid piece of our party Platform. They are the ideas we have to move towards over the next few decades as a nation. As the “underdog” candidate, he could risk being a radical and getting people talking about big changes in a way Clinton could not. I think right now ALL Democrats want to see things like raising the cap on SS taxes and reigning in Wall Street and big corporations influence on our government and economy, and finding a way to stop burdening our kids with overwhelming student loan debt, whereas it wasn’t as big a part of the conversation before. Our numbers now will help add weight to the general populace’s movement in a Progressive direction.
Hilary will need the weight of the Sanders voters voices and down ticket changes I see happening over the next few years to help her get her stuff done. Shes got the heart of a Progressive that she’s really had to squelch at times in her career, but she won’t have to once she’s President. I’d like to be someone who supports and watches Hilary come fully into her own as a leader.
Uncle Cosmo
@efgoldman: Assholes are like opinions–everybody’s got one, & every one but yours stinks.
Jeffro
OT (but hey this is an open thread, technically speaking)…
I’m sure similar things have already been said in earlier threads, but while trying to process Prince’s passing this weekend (which brought up a lot of the same thoughts/feelings/loss that happened when David Bowie passed away) it occurred to me tonight:
1) Holy cow is the world better for all of the music that these two put out
2) And – somehow topping that achievement, somehow – wow, is the world ever better for the example they set. Not just for artists but for everyone: live your own life, follow your own muse, set your own goals, work hard, work well with others, and so on. They totally lived it.
3) Finally…the next Prince and the next Bowie are out there already…probably a whole slew of them. No need to pony up big bucks for reunion acts and superstars – they don’t need my $$$, and I already know their songs by heart. For the price of a stadium seat, I can go to the 9:30 Club or Black Cat ten times. So I think I’ll do that instead.
(Now if I can just convince Mrs. ‘Fro to move us downtown in a few years…=)
Mike J
@Robert Sneddon:
But campaigning starts long, long before then, and the FEC wants to know about the fundraising and spending.
Leaving Texas
Sanders supporters have been to my house in Maryland three times in as many weeks. Clinton sent a mailing asking for donations to the guy who sold his house to us 6 years ago.
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: Everyone complains about auto-crorrect. But nobody ever turns it off.
Uncle Cosmo
@efgoldman: You are speaking perhaps of the legendary Otto Korrekt, Spelczech Nazi of the SS Mein Kindt?
Perhaps not…
Frankensteinbeck
So far, it sounds like Sanders has quit the HIllary-bashing. That’s all I asked for.`If he’s not poisoning the voting well, he is welcome to try to spread his message or even delude himself into thinking he can win. If he’s quit the negative campaigning, he has probably realized that Weaver is full of it and that win won’t happen.
As for his monetary strategies, bussing people in, all of that, I think he really believes in his own Marxist Lite credo. He’s telling the people to rise up in a class war, and expects an electoral wave to follow as they get the chance to fight the 1%. It didn’t happen.
Elie
@Ella inNew Mexico:
Beautiful! All anyone could ask….
amk
thom hartmann losing his mind.
great ‘surrogates’.
SiubhanDuinne
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
Tom Perez was the celebrity guest on yesterday’s Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me (a repeat segment from January). He was funny and quick-witted. I know very little about him, but what I do know suggests that he’d be a good choice.
Major Major Major Major
@patroclus: the national office of Astronauts Local had some credit problems, as I recall.
Major Major Major Major
@Jeffro: my friend who passed this weekend was a sound guy (with an Oscar!). “Heaven obviously decided they needed a good audio engineer,” somebody joked.
Jeffro
@Major Major Major Major: The band up there must be unbelievable at this point. (Although there are a few I hope they only let perform on the occasional ‘open mic’ night!) And now they have engineering help too. Condolences to you & to his family, M4.
sigh
I think my kids need to hear “Alphabet St.” before they head off to school in the morning. Me too. =)
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: I really don’t see the American electorate voting for a guy who is partially bald, no matter how good he is. Am I wrong?
aimai
@Leaving Texas: That’s nothing. I just got an excited email from Tom Cotton. I live in MA and have never donated or even clicked on a Republican link in my life. But he’s sure I want to know all about him and his brave doings in Arkansas.
Brachiator
@different-church-lady:
You can turn it off?
CarolDuhart2
@Jeffro: i would soften up on the reunion acts. For every Prince or Bowie, there were a lot of acts that got ripped off by managers or record companies. And the taxes for the self-employed took the rest. So some of these musicians are still playing just to put food on the table because, no pension available.
I agree with you on the next Bowie or Prince needing real support. We’ve underfunded music education, where we haven’t eliminated it in favor of STEM or standardized testing. Poorer kids have less opportunity to even follow a muse now, especially the poorest who can’t afford lessons. Record royalties are getting scarce with YouTube and other techs, so making a big living isn’t easy either. We have to do something to make music a profession where people can make a living.
Raven Onthill
Does Clinton believe she can win the election without Sanders supporters? Do the Clinton supporters here think that?
Elie
@Raven Onthill:
What is behind that question? I personally have no idea what she thinks.
I guess my question to you is why that is important given that the Obama winning coalition HAD old, young, black and white, ethnic and diverse economic status people as part of it. We assume that would still be so, right? Are you hinting that you and Bernie would be willing to split that up? Bernie Sanders, the great divider?
FlipYrWhig
@Raven Onthill: Yes, you’re a very special boy, and your friend Bernie is very special too, yes he is.
redshirt
@Raven Onthill: Not without the majority of them, but I assume there’s a small percentage of purity ponies that won’t vote for her and Clinton will be fine without them.
pseudonymous in nc
What saddens me most about the Bernie campaign is on how it’s spent its money mostly on consultants and broadcast media. Redistributing wealth all the wrong ways.
@Jeffro: I think every decent band has the implicit right to one reunion tour once they’re old enough to a) absorb what it was they were doing back in the day, with the benefit of critical hindsight; b) bury the hatchet on any ‘musical differences’. Lush is doing a reunion tour and new album this year, 20 years after they disbanded in terrible circumstances, and I don’t begrudge them that one fucking bit.
pseudonymous in nc
@Raven Onthill:
Are you going to provide a list of demands to the Clinton campaign in exchange for your vote or the hostage gets it?
Ella inNew Mexico
@FlipYrWhig: you dangerously and quite foolishly sound like you think you could do without something approaching half the Democratic Primary voters.
I don’t think Hilary Clinton is as narrow minded, short-sighted or arrogant as some of the people supporting her are.
Thankfully, she’s a grown-up. Get over yourself and try being the same. For the good of the Party, if not for plain, old-fashioned human decency.
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
Ah, I didn’t know that. The baldness didn’t come through on the radio.
Mwangangi
@rikyrah: Ah, I take it you’ve seen it now. So what did you think?
AnotherBruce
@amk: Shit, as a guy who loved to listen to Hartmann, this is flat out disgusting.
AnotherBruce
@WaterGirl: They voted for a black guy, why not a bald guy? BTW have you seen pictures of George Washington?
amk
@Ella inNew Mexico:
one purity pony seeker “something approaching half the Democratic Primary voters” does not make.
amk
@AnotherBruce:
yup, teabagger tone. ‘progressive’ bro, indeed.
Raven Onthill
@Ella inNew Mexico: Thank you, yes.
Please, people, don’t take the Democratic Party coming together for granted. We’re going to have to work at it. Many commenters here seem to believe Sanders supporters tore it apart. Not so, that was done years ago and it was done by the DLC Democrats and such leaders as William Clinton, with the support of his wife, Hillary Clinton. Now Hillary Clinton probably needs the votes of the left to win against (gack!) Donald Trump. Maybe the Clinton campaign can do without the left. Who wants to chance it with so much at stake?
We hear a lot about compromise and coalition building. Sanders has said all along he would rather have his supporters turn out for Clinton. Now let’s see the Clinton campaign make them welcome.
different-church-lady
@Raven Onthill:
I don’t think she can win it without Sanders supporters. But I do think she can win it without Bernie Bros.
Applejinx
@CarolDuhart2: Bahahahaha *sob*
There ARE effectively no royalties with YouTube, and things like Spotify are a tiny shred of what the functioning music business used to be before the tech industry crippled it. People are still stars today but it’s like recording studio owners: they have to start out rich. It’s as gruesome as the Hillbots in here being the exact mirror image of berniebros and making appalling shit up about Sanders to tell each other (this does not give me confidence in you guys, srsly).
People are getting Spotify royalty checks for less than a dollar. It’s crazy.
I mean, you can still follow a muse. Nobody will ever hear you, though, and like so many things, it’s completely detached from economic survival at this point. I think a lot of younger people instinctively understand this. It’s all either Lin-Manuel Miranda or absolutely nothing, largely because of the internet and an entire social and economic system geared to massively reward the one big winner and fuck everybody else.
Even when that was STARTING to get going, it wrecked culture and the arts, and now it’s efficient. How many blockbuster Hollywood movies are being made based on some comic book someone drew decades before the internet and then got cheated out of the rights to?
Michael Bersin
Ah, yes, rallies. An anecdote, remembering that the plural thereof is not data:
A young activist I know who actively supported and volunteered for Hillary (and still does) during the Missouri primary attended a huge Bernie Sanders rally in Kansas City because it was close by and that’s what Democratic Party activists do when they’re excited about politics. She recounted via social media that she attended and managed to get on the rope line. She got the selfie with Bernie, he shook her hand and thanked her for her support. She replied, “You’re my second choice.” “Oh.”
J R in WV
@patroclus:
Now that’s the proper way to use (and abuse) a troll !! Thanks for the lesson.
FlipYrWhig
@Raven Onthill: “Oh, I’m so fragile, I need gentle treatment or I might not vote for you, hug me but not too rough.” Jesus Christ, this candidacy needs to get over itself so damn badly.