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Tuesday Evening Open Thread

by Betty Cracker|  May 10, 20167:08 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads

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This seems appropriate:

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We’re grilling out and putting together fabulous side dishes from the bounty of the mister’s garden this evening, which is warmish (mid-80s). You?

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  1. 1.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    Donald Drumpf and the Dung Bombs

    Was there ever a classier band name?

  2. 2.

    RobertDSC-iPhone 6

    May 10, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    Testing.

  3. 3.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    Is there anything more beautiful than the fragrance of fresh cut lilacs? No. No, there isn’t.

  4. 4.

    Betty Cracker

    May 10, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Jasmine is wonderful too. But lilacs? Yes, please!

  5. 5.

    Germy

    May 10, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    I love the stargazer lillies outside my window, although some say the aroma is too overpowering.

  6. 6.

    John Revolta

    May 10, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Don’t need any dung bombs today, but I’m loving that lettering.

  7. 7.

    Schlemazel Khan

    May 10, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    I love that smell but there are times it is almost overwhelming. Went biking this weekend & part of the path was enclosed in lilac bushes it got to be too much.

  8. 8.

    NotMax

    May 10, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Lily of the Valley.

  9. 9.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @Germy: In the house they’re overpowering, and makes me think of a funeral home.

    @Betty Cracker: jasmine and honeysuckle are wondrous, but in New England, we have slim pickings for fragrant blooms.

  10. 10.

    Schlemazel Khan

    May 10, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    WTH is a ‘dung bomb’?

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    May 10, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    Suppose the product is useful for those folks who revel in blowing up sh*t.

    ;)

  12. 12.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @NotMax:

    Yes! I had a whole garden bed of them at my old house, and the fragrance is subtle and fleeting. Hard to keep as cut flowers too, and since they’re so low to the ground and like shade, it’s hard to recognize how fragrant they are.

  13. 13.

    Mnemosyne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    We’re obviously burned out on politics, because in the thread below we’re getting silly and admiring beefcake.

    Smart AND funny AND can look good in anything, including outfits that would look ridiculous on any other man? Day-um.

  14. 14.

    Phylllis

    May 10, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    Watching the Braves. Mostly out of habit.

  15. 15.

    Germy

    May 10, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    In the house they’re overpowering, and makes me think of a funeral home.

    Years ago I used to take walks through an old neighborhood, and the smell of stargazer lillies was everywhere, except I didn’t know what it was. It smelled like sweet, burnt wood to me. Apparently, more than a few households had cultivated them, and the aroma was everywhere.

    It wasn’t until we moved into our current home and my wife planted them that I recognized the smell. “So THAT’S what it was!” We have a few outside our window, and when they bloom and the windows are open, they’re just fragrant enough without going overboard about it.
    Brings back memories of my old walks.

  16. 16.

    Emma

    May 10, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Night blooming jasmine.Grew by my window in my childhood home.

  17. 17.

    Tracy Ratcliff

    May 10, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Schlemazel Khan: One can deduce that you were never caught up in the Harry Potter fandom. They’re magical stink bombs.

  18. 18.

    Miss Bianca

    May 10, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yooogely classy. *Shitloads* of class!

  19. 19.

    JPL

    May 10, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Yesterday morning I couldn’t find the Finch. He finally appeared but when I tried to put on his leash to take him outside, he yelped in pain. Finch has a low tolerance to pain and has primal screams. Anyway, I went to the vet at seven a.m. when they opened. They aspirated a lymph node at his neck and since he had a fever, they felt it was just an infection, but were concerned about a few cells. They called this evening and no signs of cancer, but if he is not better by Friday, they want to see what the cause is. It might even involve surgery. Since Miss Moxie had cancer, I am so excited that we might just have surgery. I guess it’s all relative.

  20. 20.

    MazeDancer

    May 10, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    West Virginia exit polls show that almost half of the Sanders voters would vote for Trump

    West Virginia is an open primary. So, it appears that GOP voters, with no contest of their own, might have decided to go vote against Hillary.

  21. 21.

    JPL

    May 10, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @MazeDancer: I’m sure that Sanders will mention that. It is the race he always wanted.

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    May 10, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @Germy: Cannot stand the smell of lilies. Beautiful flowers, but I don’t grow them because of the smell. If it was pleasant, it would be “scent”.

  23. 23.

    Big Ole Hound

    May 10, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    Slow cooking corn beef in a pot on the grill. It was a two-fer on St Patty’s Day and we just found it in the freezer.

  24. 24.

    WaterGirl

    May 10, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @JPL: Oh, no, poor Finch. I assume they gave him an antibiotic? Crossing my fingers as I type.

  25. 25.

    Roger Moore

    May 10, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    WTH is a ‘dung bomb’?

    They are a product repeatedly mentioned in the Harry Potter books. Their exact effect is never described in detail, but they are a favorite of the Weasley twins.

  26. 26.

    Mike J

    May 10, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    Donald Trump, GOP nomination virtually in hand, is planning a general election campaign that banks heavily on his personal appeal and trademark rallies while spurning the kind of sophisticated data operation that was a centerpiece of Barack Obama’s winning White House runs.

    “I’ve always felt it was overrated,” Trump said in an interview Tuesday. “Obama got the votes much more so than his data processing machine. And I think the same is true with me.”

  27. 27.

    debbie

    May 10, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    A few years ago, there was an early warm spell, and the smell of lilacs from the many bushes in my neighborhood wafted in through the open windows day and night. The ultimate in passive gardening!

  28. 28.

    raven

    May 10, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @JPL: Fingers crossed for the pup.

  29. 29.

    Schlemazel Khan

    May 10, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Tracy Ratcliff:
    Ah, thanks. Kids too old, grandkids too young and the bit I read did not grab my attention so I never followed up.

    I thought it was Drumpfs new campaign strategy.

    thanks also to @Roger Moore:

  30. 30.

    Roger Moore

    May 10, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @MazeDancer:
    The crossover voting will be ignored or used as an example of why open primaries are such a good idea, and the win will be proof that Bernie is still in it.

  31. 31.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @debbie:

    I actually poached ones hanging over my driveway from the neighbor’s side hill, and I have my eyes on a couple of other bushes up the street aways.

  32. 32.

    opiejeanne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I love lilacs and I inherited 7 or 8 large ones when we bought this house. The darker ones are just finishing up now so we will have none left to stick in our lapels on The Glorious 25th of May.

    A few years ago a lady on the London underground had a big bunch of lilacs tucked into her purse and when I admired them she gave them too me, but warned me that they are one of the flowers you don’t put in a vase.
    She was about 60 and said her mother had always told her that about lilacs and several other flowers, that you simply did not cut them to put them in a vase indoors. Then she chuckled, said it had something to do with fairies. Since she seemed otherwise sane and intelligent I took it to be a very old bit of folklore she was passing along to us.

  33. 33.

    Schlemazel Khan

    May 10, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @JPL:
    I’ll cross my fingers for the poor thing. Positive thoughts!

  34. 34.

    MomSense

    May 10, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @JPL:

    I hope Finch is ok.

  35. 35.

    Prescott Cactus

    May 10, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    From Bundy land:

    Cliven Bundy sues judge in Nevada standoff case, wants her removed.

    “Bundy lawyer Joel Hansen handed a copy of the lawsuit to U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro in open court in Las Vegas on Tuesday, and he told her that because she’s a named defendant, she should remove herself from Bundy’s case.”

    This should be pretty.

  36. 36.

    MazeDancer

    May 10, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @Roger Moore: @JPL:

    Only 27% of WV voters wanted to carry on Obama policies. Of those that did, Hillary won them 2-1.

    Exit polls are actually being tweeted by networks. And they are so blatant, it may be possible even MSNBC and CNN may have to discuss WV is not your average state. Not watching so can’t say.

  37. 37.

    debbie

    May 10, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @JPL:

    Hope it turns out to be a needless scare.

  38. 38.

    MomSense

    May 10, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    He was on Fallon. My kid texted me videos. I raised him right!

  39. 39.

    opiejeanne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @Phylllis: That’s the way we watch the Angels. Our wonderful new (to us) short stop Andrelton Simmons is going to have surgery on his thumb so he’ll be out for 2 – 3 months. Bleh.

  40. 40.

    eclare

    May 10, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @JPL: Best of luck to you and Finch!

  41. 41.

    debbie

    May 10, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Oh, I can imagine! Did you see that photo Anne posted last year of her yard full of lilac bushes! I’d have been snipping all over her yard!

  42. 42.

    Cacti

    May 10, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Funny story (not really)…

    That white nationalist delegate from California that the Trump campaign said was the result of a database error?

    Turns out he was still getting personal e-mails from team Trump just over 24-hours ago.

    Link

  43. 43.

    Davebo

    May 10, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @Emma: In my old house I had a night blooming jasmine, or several actually, that grew to about 14′ high well above the roof line.

    They did smell fabulous!

  44. 44.

    opiejeanne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @Schlemazel Khan: Don’t feel bad. I read all of the HP books and I had forgotten all about dung bombs.

  45. 45.

    Germy

    May 10, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    Someone got fooled on Antiques Roadshow. The expert said a sculpture was 19th century and worth $50K. Turns out it was done by a high school student in the 1970s.

    These things happen.

  46. 46.

    Miss Bianca

    May 10, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Prescott Cactus: this just gets better (?) and better!

  47. 47.

    smith

    May 10, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    @Mike J: That’s hilarious. Without data and systematic outreach the confusion and SKEWD POLLS in the Trump camp will yoooge! Even if he can raise the $1.5 bil he needs, his execution will be Keystone Cops all the way down. About time their anti-intellectualism, anti-science, anti-reality philosophy bit them in the ass.

  48. 48.

    Davebo

    May 10, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @MazeDancer:

    West Virginia is an open primary. So, it appears that GOP voters, with no contest of their own, might have decided to go vote against Hillary.

    Well even John would tell you most are not the sharpest bowling ball on the rack.

  49. 49.

    Mnemosyne

    May 10, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @MomSense:

    It’s on the DVR at home waiting for me. I can see from the clips I’ve seen that he also fulfills something else I said about him, which is that he can wear suits that would look ridiculous on anyone else.

  50. 50.

    Mike J

    May 10, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @smith: It’s the sort of thing I think we should chuckle quietly to ourselves about rather than making it a huge deal. God forbid they catch on.

  51. 51.

    Mnemosyne

    May 10, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @Prescott Cactus:

    Where are LAO and BellaQ when we need them?

    And is it just me, or are the Bundyites channeling Abbie Hoffmann?

  52. 52.

    Betty Cracker

    May 10, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @JPL: Oh no! Hope Finch is okay!

    @opiejeanne: What a great story!

    @MazeDancer: There’s that number again!

  53. 53.

    JPL

    May 10, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: He’s on antibiotics, a anti-inflammatory, and benadryl. This is the worst case scenario, if he is not better Friday, they will do x-rays and surgery, in case there is a foreign substance. After losing Moxie to lymph cancer, I’m thrilled it can be treated. Thank you for your concern. It’s been a rough 36 hours for both of us.

  54. 54.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    May 10, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    ObOpenThread. I hope this PSA isn’t too annoying.

    Vote Riders is doing a fundraiser:

    At the top of our wish list: providing easily-accessible voter ID information and assistance to every registered voter in this country. Right now, we have an opportunity to do just that… IF we can raise $20,000.

    The wallet-sized voter ID information card we created for Wisconsin has been a huge hit with voters and local election officials. Now the coalition behind National Voter Registration Day, with 2,000 members organizations nationwide last year and growing, would like us to create similar cards for every state plus the District of Columbia.

    We know from experience that voters, and even poll workers, in VA and other states with voter ID laws are confused about the requirements. Even in states without voter ID laws, many registered voters worry that they lack the documentation they need to vote. These simple cards provide voters with confidence that their vote will count, and a phone number to call in case they need more information or assistance.

    It will cost just $20,000 to create these cards and distribute them to NVRD partner organizations. Can you help us with a donation to this project? We have to get started as soon as possible! We know from highly contested primary elections to date that who votes in, and who wins, the upcoming Fall elections will be determined by who is able to get their ID in time.

    Let’s help run up the score this fall. If you are able, consider visiting http://www.voteriders.org/ and donating. Seemingly simple efforts like this can have a big impact.

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who is just a supporter.)

  55. 55.

    ThresherK

    May 10, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    All the pollen just hit me at once. I think that’s the result from having over thirty hours without rainfall.

  56. 56.

    JPL

    May 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I rescued Finch when he was five or so.. He was well trained. He gets on tables, counters, sinks but not beds. Last night we both slept on the sofa, and will do so again tonight.

  57. 57.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Good grief. They’re ALL sovereign citizens! Attacking the judge with nonsense attacks is one of their strategies. Also ‘countersue anyone and everything’. This will only get weirder and more funny.

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    May 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    @JPL: Waiting and worrying is hard, but it sounds like they are doing the right things. I’m sure the extra TLC will help, too. Keep us posted.

  59. 59.

    MattF

    May 10, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Via MeFi: Bolero Completely Unraveled for Orchestra and Kazoos.

    So, whatever happened to Bo Derek?

  60. 60.

    Mike J

    May 10, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @smith:

    That’s hilarious. Without data and systematic outreach the confusion and SKEWD POLLS in the Trump camp will yoooge!

    OK, May have found out why they’re anti big data.

    David SidersVerified account @davidsiders
    Trump’s campaign blames ‘database error’ on inclusion of white nationalist, says William Johnson not a delegate

    If they can’t keep a nazi from being a delegate, what hope do they have of microtargeting?

  61. 61.

    MomSense

    May 10, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I suspect he could wear anything or nothing and look amazing.

    In all seriousness, his smile is what gets me. He just radiates humor, intelligence, and warmth.

  62. 62.

    AkaDad

    May 10, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    A different way to say Trump’s tweet.

  63. 63.

    MattF

    May 10, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @Mike J: Could be… that everything worked as intended.

  64. 64.

    gwangung

    May 10, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @Mnemosyne: The corresponding movement in the Asian American community is #StartingJohnCho

  65. 65.

    Eric S.

    May 10, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Tonight I’m at the Chicago Theater to see Neil deGrasse-Tyson speak. I’m wearing my “Pluto, we hardly knew you… 1930 – 2006” t-shirt.

  66. 66.

    MomSense

    May 10, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    They have a terrifying side no matter how foolish they might seem.

    @JPL:

    You are doing everything you can for him. I’m sure being close to you is a comfort.

  67. 67.

    WaterGirl

    May 10, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @MomSense:

    I suspect he could wear anything or nothing and look amazing. In all seriousness, his smile is what gets me. He just radiates humor, intelligence, and warmth.

    You forgot to mention his eyes. Other than that, I’m with you all the way.

  68. 68.

    Mike J

    May 10, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 5 minutes ago
    The conservative registered Democrats helping Sanders have helped him elsewhere, especially Oklahoma

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiIm2CfXIAEB5GB.jpg:large

  69. 69.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @Mnemosyne: lol. It was discussed earlier. Cliven’s complaint is totally batshit crazy.

  70. 70.

    smith

    May 10, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @Mike J:

    If they can’t keep a nazi from being a delegate, what hope do they have of microtargeting?

    True, but to be perfectly accurate, that was a ‘database error,’ not a database error. They’d have been glad to have him if those pesky reporters hadn’t meddled and messed things up.

  71. 71.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Remember this frightening fact, Cliven is represented by an actual licensed attorney. Although, he will most likely face disciplinary action as a result of the lawsuit.

  72. 72.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    May 10, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @JPL: Best of luck with him.

    We had a scare with our 10 yr old Sophie a few months ago. She was having various issues (stomach issues, elevated liver numbers, etc.). We had ultrasound done and they found some spot on her liver that we were concerned would require surgery. The spot was sorta buried inside in a hard-to-get-to area, so we were quite concerned about how well she would do if we had it done. Long story short, she got better, her liver numbers returned to normal, and another ultrasound was done and the spot was gone. No surgery!

    Sometimes they surprise us. :-) Fingers crossed.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  73. 73.

    Betty Cracker

    May 10, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @JPL: Do keep us posted!

    @Eric S.: Nerd alert! But I’m sure that was the intended effect! Have fun! ?

  74. 74.

    Tom Q

    May 10, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @MazeDancer: The kids at GOS are trying desperately to argue that Sanders’ showing in WV is all about “Dem failure to court the working class”, but the exit polls make it blatant: people who have every intention of voting Trump in November are voting for Sanders as a ratfuck.

    Not that WV wasn’t a Sanders state anyway — on the “White Man>White Woman>Black Man” theory of WV Dem primaries — but these numbers will be hard for him to tout except to the blindly loyal. Oh, and the exit polls say Hillary won the actual Dem vote, 50-48 Meaning VT is still the only primary all year where Sanders clearly won among Dems only.

  75. 75.

    Bubblegum Tate

    May 10, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    Dumb Bongs

  76. 76.

    MomSense

    May 10, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Yes his eyes. His smile is in his eyes too! That’s what makes it so incredible.

  77. 77.

    Mike J

    May 10, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @Tom Q: Sanders leads 62-29 among voters who want less liberal policies than Obama.

    The good news, Clinton leads in a new poll of Oregon(!). I think it’s probably an outlier, but Oregon is closed. On the demos, should be solid Sanders.

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    May 10, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @gwangung:

    I dunno, I can’t get past him in “Harold and Kumar.” Who else you got? I’m looking for the American Chow-Yun Fat or Ken Watanabe, but younger.

  79. 79.

    AkaDad

    May 10, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    Today

    Friend: What do you think about Trump?

    Me: He’s a high-school bully trapped inside an old tangerine meat-suit.

    And they say smoking weed makes you stupid…

  80. 80.

    Eric S.

    May 10, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Nerd alert! 

    It’s true.

  81. 81.

    MazeDancer

    May 10, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Tom Q:

    Even Steve Kornacki on MSNBC mentioned Trump supporters likely to have been voting in Dem primary. For many reasons. Including competitive Governor’s race.

    Vice-President Biden even said on ABC today he expects Hillary to be the nominee and be the next President. (And that she’ll be great). Guess the White House is as tired as the rest of the Democratic Party of Sen Sanders ego helping Donald Trump.

  82. 82.

    Tom Q

    May 10, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Mike J: Yeah, I saw that earlier, Like you, I’m doubtful about it, but the fact it’s closed AND has mail-in might give Hillary a better shot than the demographic profiles suggest.

    On the other side of that, Puerto Rico ought to be in HER demo wheelhouse, but it’s Open, so more favorable to him…

    Really, the next month is going to generate a lot more discussion than merited. After tonight, there are only 900 pledged delegates to be awarded, and over 600 of them are NJ/CA. So, till we get there, it’s at best minor adjustments on the dial.

  83. 83.

    Roger Moore

    May 10, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    @Prescott Cactus:

    “Bundy lawyer Joel Hansen handed a copy of the lawsuit to U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro in open court in Las Vegas on Tuesday, and he told her that because she’s a named defendant, she should remove herself from Bundy’s case.”

    I think this is a fairly standard practice as a stalling/harassment practice among sovereign citizen types. They also like filing unjustified liens against judges and using them to claim the judge is biased and can’t hear their cases. I’ve heard about them doing that to every judge in the area so there’s nobody qualified to hear their case, and the authorities having to bring in judges from the outside in secret to prevent them from filing the liens preemptively.

  84. 84.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 10, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @LAO:
    I noticed that. I was holding out hope with Ammon that his lawyer was being bullied into it by a client who absolutely would not listen to any argument against submitting nonsense. THAT is a specific sovereign citizen tactic.

  85. 85.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @Roger Moore: it’s pretty remarkable. http://www.larryklayman.com/pdf/160509-Bundys%20complaint2renavarro%20(1).pdf

    ETA: link doesn’t work but simple to google, if you care.

  86. 86.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Larry Klayman wrote it. It’s got his sleazy prints all over it.

    ETA: Cliven brought the civil suit. Ammon’s lawyer wrote wrote the motion to dismiss based on an adverse possession claim. Equally ridiculous, BTW.

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    May 10, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @gwangung:

    Wait, I remembered the guy I was thinking of. Throw everything you’ve got behind Randall Park. Trust me on this.

  88. 88.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 10, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @LAO:
    Right. But Cliven’s lawyer seems to be actively, enthusiastically involved. I haven’t seen any information on whether Ammon’s is pushing sovereign citizen crap, or just bowing to his client’s demands. I get the impression a lawyer technically can’t refuse it a client repeatedly and determinedly refuses their advice.

  89. 89.

    opiejeanne

    May 10, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @Prescott Cactus: He’s also suing Obama.

  90. 90.

    opiejeanne

    May 10, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @LAO: I am trying to remember if it was determined that that lawyer is a Sovereign Citizen True Believer… I think at least one of their lawyers is.

  91. 91.

    Roger Moore

    May 10, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @LAO:
    It looks as if the whole thing hinges on one newspaper article from Newsmax claiming that a company connected to Rory Reid wants to buy Bundy’s land. Absent that motivation, the whole case falls apart. And for complicated links like that, you’re better off using the link button and making a real link.

  92. 92.

    Mnemosyne

    May 10, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    OMFG, is tomorrow already Wednesday? WTF?

  93. 93.

    WaterGirl

    May 10, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @MomSense: You are exactly right!

  94. 94.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 10, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @JPL:

    Oh, poor Finch. And poor you. Keeping all crossable things crossed.

  95. 95.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: my misunderstanding, I agree that Cliven’s lawyer (and Larry Klayman) are crazy, true believers.

    Lawyers can absolutely refuse a client. And, if the relationship breaks down completely, we can asked to be relieved from representing the client.

    Every defense attorney has been in the position of representing a difficult and unreasonable client. Sometimes, I will take a position that may not be technically correct, but it can be done in a manner that doesn’t compromise me as an advocate or hurt my client. Cliven’s lawsuit is flat out unethical.

  96. 96.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @Roger Moore: can’t do it from my iPad. I read the complaint, it’s a noxious stew of ridiculous conspiracy theories. JJ McNabb has deconstructed it pretty well on Twitter.

  97. 97.

    Mike J

    May 10, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @LAO: So what are the chances of sanctions?

  98. 98.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    May 10, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Mnemosyne: John Cho is a local boy, Hoover High.

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    Miss Bianca

    May 10, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @LAO: OMG, this one is even more shithouse-rat-insane than the last one!

    Following the legal and constitutional stand-off, whereby Plaintiff BUNDY, his sons and other family members and supporters exercised their Second Amendment right of self- defense against the government, and succeeded in having the BLM agents and representatives leave the Bundy ranch unharmed, Plaintiff BUNDY publically equated his and his family’s situation to the plight of “Negroes” in the old South, whereby they were enslaved by a tyrannical government as he and his family believed they were given the threats and violent attacks on his family members, his cattle and the Bundy’s supporters. He chose the word “Negro” believing that this was a proper term for African-Americans, having looked up the word in Webster’s dictionary.

    He…looked it up in the dictionary. This is starting to veer into sitcom territory. A sitcom that’s kind of like a cross between “All in the Family”, “Green Acres”, and “Justified.” (“Bunkerville, N-V”!)

  100. 100.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @Mike J: No idea. Don’t practice in Nevada. But, one Judge, in the Circuit where I practice, imposed a lifetime ban on Klayman appearing before him. (Denny Chin).

  101. 101.

    LAO

    May 10, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Miss Bianca: it’s pretty fucking disgraceful.

    @Roger Moore: thanks for linking it properly. According to JJ McNabb, Lorraine Reid is actually Cliven’s cousin. So super duplicitous.

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    May 10, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @LAO: Well, it is, of course. Laughing at it is really the only way I cope. These fuckers are in my backyard, metaphorically and almost literally. We certainly have sovereign citizens in our neck of the woods. They have their own paper (chock full of “conservative facts”!) and everything!

  103. 103.

    Prescott Cactus

    May 10, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Miss Bianca: yeah the wind blows the wrong way here and you can smell sovereign citizen.

    Bummed I missed most of this as I was attacked by a bird and have lost the battery hand drill I use to fly kites.

  104. 104.

    Miss Bianca

    May 10, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @Prescott Cactus:

    Bummed I missed most of this as I was attacked by a bird and have lost the battery hand drill I use to fly kites.

    Uh…dude? R U OK? Because that sounds like a cry for help, ladies and gentlemen.

  105. 105.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 10, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    This is starting to veer into sitcom territory. A sitcom that’s kind of like a cross between “All in the Family”, “Green Acres”, and “Justified.” (“Bunkerville, N-V”!)

    Nah, it’s the courtroom episode of “Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.”

    “I’d like to sing you a song about a friend of mine, a man named Jesus… [sings] He was a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater…”

  106. 106.

    Elie

    May 10, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @MazeDancer:

    Yes, that was always a problem…. It doesn’t change the eventual results but makes the landscape look much more hostile to Hillary… sigh

  107. 107.

    Prescott Cactus

    May 10, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    Am as OK as I’m going to get. For today.

    Went into the back yard and a bird had just nested and laid eggs. As i stepped onto the patio the mid size bird (maybe a quail?) goes into full attack mode. Not life threatening, but none the less the flutter of wings the screeching “caws” or whatever the hell it was saying to me. . . Think King Kong on the Empire State building type attack.

    So the reason I went to the patio because I was going to take a laptop apart so the bride could use parts for art projects. I normally use the hand drill when I fly kites. (yes retired people fly kites). You put the drill on one of the ends of the string holder (kite spool) and you can reel it in effortlessly. Well I thought the drill was next to the BBQ grill because I had a brat patty after the last time I flew the kite.

    So the bird attacked, the drill was missing, I moved the nest and I still can’t find the drill.

    Ok U R right. This does sound like a cry for help, but it isn’t. This is the evil wheel of karma rolling over me because I told “seaboggie” to play Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bells after he stuck his landladies dead cat in his freezer 2 days ago.

  108. 108.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 10, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    @Prescott Cactus: Using the drill as a kite spooler is pretty clever… I’d never thought of that.

  109. 109.

    Prescott Cactus

    May 10, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Using the drill as a kite spooler is pretty clever… I’d never thought of that.

    My neighbor is 77, plays golf 3 or 4 times a week and shoots 1 to 3 over. Great athlete and guy. He flies kites. He got me into it a few months ago.

    Letting the kite out is fun and easy. Hauling it back in kinda sux. When the wind is getting dodgy it works great to get it in quick to avoid a crash. 500 ft out is what I have been using, but I’m just starting out.

    I had to do some fooling with the spool to hold the handle because they are tapered. I used a doll rod and some E-6000 glue (great shit, BTW). We had to do a lot, with a little, at work and it was just something that came to me after my second flight.

    Thanks

  110. 110.

    J R in WV

    May 10, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    I live in WV, even got a phone call from a Bernie Sanders support center. Told them I was a Hillary Clinton man, good-bye. And she said “OK, I’ll put you down as a Clinton supporter, then” as if that was putting me on the train to the work camps.

    I had already voted anyway by the time they called.

    I did have the chance to vote for the guy who got beat up so bad over the weekend, and with about half the precincts reporting, he is ahead by a couple of thousand votes. Given where this is going on, the other half could be for; well anyone. Like the incumbent, a genuinely unliked guy.

    We’re having heavy rain tonight, thunderstorms too. Not like in Oklahoma, but still, it’s been wet, and heavy rain can cause flash floods, and run people up the hillside, if they have access to a hill you can climb.

    Good night, all. Not many people I voted for made it, as usual. Obama spoiled me so bad!

  111. 111.

    Prescott Cactus

    May 10, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @J R in WV: Good for you ! Have a good nights sleep and hope you and yours stay dry !

  112. 112.

    Regine Touchon

    May 10, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    Had a nice night here in Alabama. Grilled venison tenderloin, had sautéed mushrooms,frozen sweet corn from last year,so yummy and roasted Yukon gold potatoes and sweet onions just dug out of the garden. And yes the air is perfumed with honey suckle and sweet spire. And my daughter is doing op research on he Trump in D.C. We live in interesting times.

  113. 113.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 11, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Regine Touchon: You didn’t invite me? I would have brought good wine. I shall be in the corner being sad.

  114. 114.

    John W.

    May 11, 2016 at 3:01 am

    Mid Eighties?! Here in Southwestern most Oregon, that’s a major heat spell. Happened today at our house.

    I do recall, many years ago, when RD and I and our kid went for a visit to the West Coast. There was a heatwave in coastal Washington and a native was complaining to us about the heat. We lived in Dallas, had for most of our lives at that point. To us the mid-eighties was balm.

    After having fucked up and gotten old, and having lived here in Paradise for the better part of a decade, I'[m here to tell you that 85F is indeed hot after all!

    We thought briefly about moving to Florida, but then we would’ve had to grow those pesky webs between our toes. ;)

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