Who benefits from Trump's tax plan?
Billionaires—and millionaires like him. https://t.co/COJ4TPXvm2 pic.twitter.com/o0V6GAgBsM
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) May 17, 2016
“… and millionaires like him.” That’s gonna leave a mark.
Apart from keeping firmly in mind that we have real enemies, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
(Tom Toles via GoComics.com)
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Baud
The party should have went with Baud. Would have saved us a lot of grief.
Mike J
92 to 45 in Kentucky, actually saw somebody refer to it as Clinton up big. No. When a state with 4.5 million has fewer than 150 votes in, nobody is “up”.
Roger Moore
Only a very small one. That’s the whole point of needling somebody: the pain is out of proportion to the apparent damage. If you hadn’t pointed it out, I never would have noticed that little dig- but you can bet that Trump did. If Hillary can keep poking him in his most vulnerable spot- the ego- she can goad him into more public stupidity. Very good move.
Rolling Along
For those of you who think a Socialism is the solution, why don’t you take a look at what is happening to Venezuela?
Dan
ooooh, that tweet is beautiful shade. Looks like the Clinton campaign is going to be branding Trump as a phony con man, as some have suggested. HERE FOR IT.
dedc79
Would be funny if everyone, and particularly the press, took to referring to him as “The millionaire Donald Trump” unless/until he proves otherwise.
Getting Turgid!
For those of you who think a apple are oranges and effects have just one cause, look at this example I’ve trimmed down to you in a stupid soundbite.
Hillary better get ready for DONALDS LOAD OF CASH!
JPL
@Rolling Along: Graft crosses party lines. Socialism does work in the Scandinavian countries, by most measures.
btw I’m not a Sanders supporter.
Iowa Old Lady
@dedc79: That’s hilarious.
cmorenc
Glad HRC and the democrats understand that the way to undo Trump is to let him speak for himself, in his own words.
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: Me too.
@Dan: Byooootiful shade.
@Rolling Along: You forgot to log in as Ramping Up, or did you forget that you just posted about that downstairs?
starscream
TPM going off on the shitshow known as the Sanders campaign
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: There’s still time. Have you thought about applying for “ON DEMAND” FUNDING? I hear some people are looking for a third-party spoiler.
Chyron HR
@Rolling Along:
If taxes are bad, why did Reagan raise them so much?
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Baud!/Cuban! 2016!
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
Sock puppetry:
how the fuck does it work(ETF) you’re doing it wrong!Villago Delenda Est
Ouch. That sure hits The Donald where he lives…in his fantasy bank account.
Villago Delenda Est
@Rolling Along: I know that socialism is a solution.
I’ve served in the military. Unlike you.
dr. bloor
@Getting Turgid!:
After all the $ he unloaded on Rubio in the primary, I’m guessing his refractory period is going to last until 2020 or so.
Major Major Major Major
So what happened last night to inspire Cole’s hearty Spongebob? I obviously missed it in one of the Sux/Rox threads.
dmsilev
@Major Major Major Major: Does On Demand funding come from Comcast? Because if so, that’s not going to help Baud in the polls.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Man down!
Man down!
Baud
@dmsilev:
I should have made “Fuck Comcast” my campaign slogan. I would have won 50 states.
Rommie
@Baud: Or Nuke the TSA, if this becomes the Summer of Standing in Line.
Linnaeus
@Baud:
You could have hired these folks to make your campaign ads. (Advisory: NSFW)
Cacti
Not mean enough.
Should have been “billionaires and short-fingered millionaires like him.”
WaterGirl
@Baud: Are you speaking for yourself or as a spokesman for yourself?
JPL
@Rommie: Wouldn’t it be easier for Congress to pass a law preventing airlines from charging check in for two bags?
lol.. I know Congress can’t pass anything unless it’s repeal of the ACA.
also limit carry on..
Villago Delenda Est
@WaterGirl: As a person, or as an individual, or as a sovereign citizen?
singfoom
@Baud:
50 states? With that slogan sir, you could have been elected leader of the free world.
NotMax
@Baud
A bit fewer.
;)
The Thin Black Duke
Is Bernie Sanders being paid by the Kochs? Lately, it’s the only explanations that makes sense.
BBA
We haven’t heard from PUMA-in-chief Lynn de Rothschild lately. Who’s she endorsing?
AkaDad
@WaterGirl: Baud’s real name is John Miller.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
I thought I’d start referring to myself in the third person to project more gravitas.
I mean…
Baud thought he’d start referring to himself in the third person to project more gravitas.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@BBA: That’s Her Baroness Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild to you.
Baud
@NotMax: But the other states are scared.
ETA:. Just like with Ebola.
raven
I smells Trump agent provocateurs.
WaterGirl
@AkaDad: I thought so, but I didn’t want to be the first to say it!
NotMax
@BBA
Busy gearing up for party season?
WaterGirl
@Baud: That’s how it starts. One minute, you’re referring to yourself in the third person to project more gravitas. The next, you are doing erectile dysfunction commercials.
(Or am I confusing former republican leaders?)
Major Major Major Major
@raven: It’s agents provocateur, I think.
Dog Dawg Damn
That Trump video is A GOLDMINE. YES YES YES MORE PLEASE.
(Boilerplate anti-tax-breaks stuff is boiler-plate.)
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Gorgeous Outfits – rapper Common (photo)
Baud
@AkaDad: Ha!
@WaterGirl: Ha!
Bruce K
Y’know, last year, my money was on Trump self-destructing spectacularly at some point, and I’m starting to realize that’s still not out of the question. At this point, though, I’m not sure whether it’d be better for the country if he politically disintegrated before Cleveland, or after.
Trollhattan
This does bring up the sweet possibility that at some point Hillary can address the Donald in person: “Millionaires like you and I have to work hard to understand and communicate with the working poor.”
BBA
@NotMax: Looks like she’s still backing Hillary. That’ll help us with the crucial married-into-foreign-nobility demographic.
Mnemosyne
Trump haz a sad because he’s not in the three commas club.
(No spoilers, please — I haven’t started watching the new season yet.)
Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: Well those 147 voters were up early, but beyond that you are correct. It amazes me, given all the errors in exit polling and projections over the past 17 years that the political reporters still lock right onto them.
NotMax
@Bruce K
Bookcases of the future shall sag under the volume of weighty tomes discussing the Great Cleveland Meltdown.
@Baud
Scared? Or smart? ;)
Trollhattan
@Bruce K:
Me too, I’ve been expecting him to China Syndrome ever since he got in, but despite his many mini-Chernobyls his supporters stick with him in their little radiation suits so at this point, we can presume he can’t actually fatally damage his campaign; Hillary will have to do that for him. And us.
Trollhattan
@Mnemosyne:
Between it and Veep I can hardly recover normal breathing. Family=concerned.
NotMax
@BBA
Every vote counts.
Mnemosyne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Nope — if her husband is Sir Evelyn, he’s a baronet, not a baron. So she’s merely Lady de Rothschild, not Baroness de Rothschild.
Cacti
Hmmm…despite being presumptive nominee, Drumpf only wins 35.9% of the vote in the KY GOP caucus.
Rafael only lost by 4 points, despite dropping out.
Baud
@Cacti: That is something.
AnotherBruce
So, CNN reported that prior to the Nevada caucus meeting. The head organizer for the Sander’s campaign told their delegates not to leave the convention hall until they got word from the campaign. No wonder they started to riot when security started to shut the building down. They were going to simply stomp their feet until they got their own way. Keep in mind, that Hillary won the Nevada caucus on February 20th.
gf120581
I must say, it’s rather fascinating to see Bernie Sanders in the process of destroying any influence and good will he’d built up with his campaign.
What an idiot response to the NV mess. Especially pissing off Harry Reid. You don’t piss off Reid and live to tell about it. My guess is that come January, especially if the Dems have a solid Senate majority, Bernie will be out in the cold (even with Reid having left the Senate).
NotMax
@Cacti
KY GOP caucus was back in March, not today.
gf120581
@AnotherBruce: Cole compared them to college students, but I think that’s too generous. It seems like a campaign staffed by badly behaved six year olds who are going to scream and throw tantrums unless Mommy gives them the toy they want.
Cacti
@NotMax:
You are correct.
I missed that on NYT.
Baud
My RSS feed says that Kos himself just lit into Bernie big time. GOS servers are going to berning tonight.
In related news, I like Wonkette’s headline
Cacti
Okay, for any Kentuckians on the board, who in the world is Rocky De La Fuente?
Trollhattan
@gf120581:
Maybe it gets to the underlying reason for the “I”. He and Ted the Poisonous can caucus together starting next year, neither has earned a warm welcome back from the campaign trail.
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: Stay healthy and sane and run in 2020. We might be worthy of you by then.
@Cacti: That’s interesting. You would think he would get 100% of the vote given that he’s the last man standing. Doesn’t bode well for him in the general.
Mike J
@Cacti: He was on the ballot in WV too.
Trollhattan
@Cacti:
Best friend: Bullwinkle Del Gordo.
debbie
@NotMax:
But she’s fickle. Don’t forget her cavorting with McCain in 2008.
Roger Moore
@The Thin Black Duke:
I think it’s more that his ego is writing checks his campaign skills can’t cash.
jl
@Baud:
” The party should have went with Baud. Would have saved us a lot of grief. ”
If we knew that the nominee would be hopeless right from the beginning, we would have ample time to go through the stages of grief.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Gorgeous Kentucky Outfits – young Hillary (photo)
NotMax
@Cacti
He’s on (or been on) the ballot in many states; declared as a candidate last October.
website
Roger Moore
@Bruce K:
Hmm. That’s a tougher call than I first thought. My first thought was that it would be better after the convention, because he would take down a whole bunch of other Republicans with him. Then I realized that if he blows up before the convention, it could spark a gigantic bloodbath during the convention as everyone tries to figure out what to do about his self destruction and how they can profit from it.
Patricia Kayden
@Bruce K: After. By then the Republicans would be in shambles and have a hard time coming up with a viable candidate for the general election. That would serve them right.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
For any Guy Clark fans, I left some additional links below.
@Baud: I love that headline, and may want to gay marry it.
NotMax
Idaho state and Congressional primary today, too.
Only a smattering of Dems on the ballot (.pdf file).
ChicagoPat
@Roger Moore: Reminds me of this line from Tyrion Lannister: “The longer Cersei waits, the angrier she’ll become, and anger makes her stupid. I much prefer angry and stupid to composed and cunning”. Being mocked makes Donald angry, and that brings out the ignorance, racism and misogyny in spades.
lollipopguild
@Cacti: I have no clue-got a good laugh when i saw that on the ballot this morning.
Dog Dawg Damn
Sanders campaign double-triple-dawg downing on this stupid “rigged election” nonsense:
Josh Marshall’s take: this is an ultimatum.
singfoom
I was a Bernie supporter until the NYDN article so I’ll help him out. Here’s what your press release about NV should have said:
“I am very sorry to the members of the Democratic party in Nevada who have been subject to harassment by my supporters. While I admire the passion my supporters have shown, I wholeheartedly disown their actions. I do not support threats of violence, doxxing people or vandalism in my campaign for the nomination. I ask that those who have done these things in my name consider the harm they have done, not just to me, or my campaign, but to the Democratic party and themselves.
To Roberta Lang (sp?), I offer my most sincere apologies. It horrifies me that my supporters made you feel unsafe in any capacity. Again, I disown their actions and tactics and hopefully this statement is enough to make sure anything like this never happens again.
Sen. Bernie Sanders”
How fucking hard would it be? I fought plenty of people months ago about Bernie on this board. This though the non apology with the ultimatum, it’s pretty clear he can’t play well with others. This is PR 89, not even 101.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Gorgeous Kentucky Outfit — Lindsey Vonn (photo)
? Martin
@Roger Moore: After is better. At that point they’re committed, and having just done a big public show over how much they love him, down to the video retrospective, they can hardly claim that he doesn’t speak for them.
starscream
Looks like Hillary will take KY.
lamh36
Let me get this straight. All this shit in NV was over like 2 muthf’n delegates in a state Sanders had already lost?
Really, really…
gwangung
@singfoom: Sanders’ state chair is infinitely more gracious than her candidate.
NotMax
@starscream
??
Tight as tight can be at the moment. Gonna be a squeaker.
Cacti
@lamh36:
Yep. Sanders supporters hoped to scheme their way to a delegate majority in Nevada, despite losing the vote there.
They failed, and went nuts about it.
starscream
@NotMax: Reading between the lines at https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
Hahahahaha!!
Iowa Old Lady
@starscream: Cheater!
ETA: Do you have a link? I’m looking at TPM and it’s close with close with around a quarter of the votes counted.
ETAA: I see your link. Thanks.
MomSense
@lamh36:
Yeah it’s complete bullshit.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Uh huh
Uh huh
Alex.S
@AnotherBruce: That’s standard practice for a caucus — because of the weirdness of them, the advice given is to stay forever until the campaign says the voting is over.
The Nevada caucus was racing at the end to get through all the non-delegate business to try to finish all the voting (party platform, for example) before they were kicked out after being there for 14+ hours.
Mike J
@starscream: Enten @ 538 has her winning based on demos..
Mike J
@Iowa Old Lady: http://www.benchmarkpolitics.com/
Iowa Old Lady
@Mike J: Thanks. I’m cheering for Clinton.
AnotherBruce
@lamh36: In a way that’s true, but for some damn reason Nevada has about a 3 step process. Bernie was trying to get the edge with step 2, but then failed to follow through with the final step. Fuck caucuses, they truly suck.
dmsilev
I can report that a bird (a juvenile hummingbird) landed on top of the microwave oven right outside my office just now. Can I be the Denocratic nominee now?
(We fed it some sugar water and then opened a window so it could fly off)
ThresherK
Michael Steele is playing true to form in Power Players’ Jeopardy!
Dog Dawg Damn
Wait, Clinton is losing Kentucky? This is so annoying.
guachi
@Mike J:
Checking their Oregon predictions it looks like they predict a 4 point Sanders win largely on the back of a large win in Multnomah county.
Alex.S
@AnotherBruce: Yeah, the key is that more Clinton delegates showed up than Sanders delegates for the third tier (state caucus). Sanders actually had more at the 2nd tier (county caucus) but couldn’t convert them through. The Clinton majority was super small though.
Sanders is concentrating on the 64 delegates who were blocked (bad contact info, not a Democrat, or not a registered voter)… although 14 showed up. 6 were credentialed after their information was fixed. 8 were not allowed because they weren’t registered voters or registered Democrats. 50 didn’t show up… along with hundreds of other delegates (both Clinton and Sanders). In addition, 8 Clinton delegates were also blocked for the same reason and didn’t show up. Both campaigns were given this information before the caucus.
What angers me is that the Sanders campaign is just lying about the delegates who were blocked, why they were blocked, and implying that they were there but were unable to vote which is how Clinton won.
Well, that and caucuses — it’s stupid to have three separate days for voting, with the final day being over twelve hours long.
NotMax
@Starscream
Yup, benchmarkpolitics.com, affiliated with David Brock. Hardly neutral observers.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Major Major Major Major
@Dog Dawg Damn: Huh? Topline numbers change, county demographics matter…
Mike J
@NotMax: Are they right or not? They’ve been among the most accurate.
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: …so?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Somewhere LBJ is laughing his ass off. He only got Goldwater to deny being a sheep fucker. It’s only been 1 week and Hillary already got Trump to deny he’s Hitler.
Jeffro
AL, saw that tweet from HRC earlier and thought the same thing – OUCH.
Looks like the Clinton campaign is wasting no time in road-testing Trump takedowns and shaping the fall campaign on its terms. Love it. GOP, you’re really, truly going to regret everything you’ve put this woman through.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
He’s just a regular millionaire.
starscream
Seriously, what does Benchmark have to gain by inflating the results for Hillary for a couple hours? It’s not like they’re the official results, lol.
Mike J
@Alex.S:
98% of Clinton’s showed up. 78% of Bernie’s. About 400 berners couldn’t be arsed.
Jeffro
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: she’s going to play him like a fiddle for almost six straight months unless the GOP Establishment bites the bullet and steps in at Cleveland. That is if he does not stroke out first trying to keep up a 72 hour Twitter Benj
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
Point is that tying the knot with Brock makes them by definition a not disinterested party, and that must be taken into account when weighing their prognostications.
Major Major Major Major
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: You know who else wasn’t Hitler…
dmsilev
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Hillary’s social media team is probably going to have a lot of fun goading Trump over the next few months.
burnspbesq
@gf120581:
I don’t think Warren will put Bernie on an ice floe if she’s Majority Leader.
Schumer, on the other hand, will do it and enjoy it enormously.
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: yeah, what @starscream said.
Jeffro
@dmsilev: “a lot” probably doesn’t even begin to describe it
Roger Moore
@? Martin:
After is more obviously bad, but there’s more uncertainty if he blows up before. There’s the whole question of whether they can force him out at the convention and whether attempts to try would blow up in their faces. Basically, I think a Three Mile Island-sized meltdown (i.e. big enough to do damage but potentially containable) would be better before the convention, since it might wind up splitting the party between people who want to try forcing him out and ones who still want to back him, and that’s better when there’s still a convention for it to play out in. A Chernobyl-sized meltdown (i.e. complete destruction) would be better after the convention, because there wouldn’t be any obvious way of picking a replacement. Actually, the very best would be during his acceptance speech at the convention, because that’s when he’ll have the most media attention.
Iowa Old Lady
@dmsilev: And that “millionaire” dig is so sly. I want to see him take the bait and respond!
Jeffro
@Jeffro: whoops…that was “binge”
chris
@Linnaeus: I think I’ve talked to that guy on the phone. Good to put a face to the mouth, thanks.
schrodinger's cat
@Major Major Major Major: Stalin?
Jeffro
@Iowa Old Lady: the great thing is, about 30 seconds after he takes the bait, she’ll say, “prove it – release your tax returns big man”
NotMax
@Starscream
What do they have to gain?
Web clicks, bunky, traffic translates to bumping ad rates.
Roger Moore
@dmsilev:
My experience is that you need more than an open window; it’s better to catch them and carry them out. Of course that’s especially important at my home because of the cat.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Gorgeous Outfits — Will Ferrell at the State Dinner in crushed velvet (photo)
shortribs
What’s on the agenda tonight? I’d say “voting” since I’m in Oregon, but we have state-wide mail in voting so I voted two weeks ago while watching Game of Thrones. If there’s one voter bill I’d like to see passed in every state, it’s mail-in voting.
Alex.S
@Mike J: Yeah, but hundreds (I’m assuming) didn’t show up for the county caucuses, which let the Sanders group get the slim majority there.
Caucuses are just terrible and should not be used.
lamh36
Oh look… Megyn Kelly and da Donald are friends again…eyeroll…
ianbremmer
.realDonaldTrump & megynkelly, friends again. (In front of Playboy cover–Trump trolls FTW)
TIME
Megyn Kelly says Donald Trump’s hair is real because she “ran her hands through it”
I do not like Megyn Kelly. I could care less about Trump’s sexist comments towards her. I remember all her PBO/MO/Black bashing shit very well. Does that make me a discredit to womanhood, then so be it.
p.a.
H/T R Mayhew’s BJ post “The ACA and Medical Risk Corridors” posted as a 5/17 Must Read on Equitablog.
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: Wouldn’t being shown to be, you know, wrong… decrease those?
Roger Moore
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
It’s not even Hillary who did it; it’s Trump’s own actions that are getting people to make the connection. Hillary’s hands are clean.
Mike J
@NotMax: If they were dumb enough to say something like Sanders +40 and it didn’t happen, all they would do is destroy their rep. They might get more hits for one night, but if you’re in it for at least the rest of the season, you want to be known for being right.
starscream
@NotMax: No, that all came because of their track record. They got acquired because they’ve had the most accurate predictions of anyone, including 538. This honestly might be the funniest conspiracy theory yet.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
Ask Bill Kristol.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@Iowa Old Lady: \
Donald’s one predictable trait: he can’t resist responding to trollage. She needs to do shit like this regularly for the next 6 months.
I can’t believe we have half a year to go. This is going to get epic.
Mary G
I never did hear back from the hand surgeon that did my first wrist repair. Evidently he has a lot of sports ball player patients with way more money than Medicare pays for me. The good news is that the local orthopedist practice that did my knees, hip, and ankle have just added a hand guy, and I have an appointment on Thursday, yay. From looking online it appears that it’s two months in a cast and then two months in a splint. I’m not looking forward to that at all. It always seems to happen in the summer.
/self-pity
starscream
Benchmark is so in the tank for HRC that they got banned from the /hillaryclinton subreddit.
Mike J
@Alex.S:
I’ve been through several and agree wholeheartedly. We had berners trying to count the votes of people who weren’t there. “That’s my roommate, I know how he wants to vote.”
That said, caucuses actually help outsider/insurgent candidates. In a primary, the delegates are all going to be party people, and very, very hard to break through.
Major Major Major Major
The people behind me are talking about how they saw a guy with a t-shirt that had a picture of Hillary and Trump posing like two of the guys from NWA that said “Straight Outta Options”. One of them said “Yeah, I went up and shook that guy’s hand, man.”
Next I overheard they were talking about how “there’s no such thing as class, man, everybody’s just human.”
patroclus
Hillary just took the lead! And Sanders’ campaign over at the GOS is just getting MAULED in the comments. For the first time all year! Even by many millenials who have been Bernie supporters all campaign long!
Truegster
@Rolling Along: How about we compare Puerto Rico to Cuba? Last I checked, little Cuba has a better economy and isn’t in default. And Puerto Rico had help from big brother US Capitalism while Cuba got shafted by that same big bully.
And as for Venezuela, I’ll take this comparison any day – decades of the corrupt neo-colonialism pre Chavez in its brutal repression, or living in the post Chavez reform era (early 2000’s) where poverty, literacy, education and medical coverage began.
I’ll gladly rep the South American Socialism, but you are going to be representing South American Fascism in that argument, if you want an actual debate..because that was the reality, the actual history.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Matt McIrvin
@Bruce K:
Completely out of the question. He’s already done what would be complete self-destruction for a normal politician twenty or thirty times over. He could probably get 40% of the vote from prison for a spree shooting.
I think we have to accept that nothing can really destroy him. All we can do is try to keep his support from increasing too much.
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: If you worry that everything affiliated with the Clintons by a first-degree connection is biased or suspect, you’re going to have a long
six monthseight years.PsiFighter37
@singfoom: It’s because he’s an asshole. There’s no other explanation for it, other than a lack of common decency.
germy
(from the AP)
Joel
@Mike J: Looks like Clinton is going to win Jefferson and Fayette (e.g. the big urban counties) by large margins and that many of those votes haven’t been accounted for yet. In other words, same story as with every other state.
lamh36
This fucker! I keep having to tell myself that Karma’s gonna get him, but damn if karma isn’t taking too long.
George Zimmerman Taunts Trayvon Martin’s Parents: ‘They Didn’t Raise Their Son Right’
Iowa Old Lady
@Major Major Major Major: Where are you?
patroclus
@Joel: Yeah, but the one difference may be that Hillary is doing better in the university towns that she has previously.
Anya
@BBA: she held a fundraiser for Hillary. Made me want to scream. I was so disappointed.
Major Major Major Major
@Iowa Old Lady: A cafe in San Francisco. Now they’re talking about SLC Punk.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
Thanks, but I’ve lots of words and don ‘t need nor appreciate any more being put into my mouth.
Sheesh.
Wasn’t spinning a conspiracy, was emphasizing knowing the source and taking that into account (or ignoring it as germane) is always good. Either way, knowledge is power. Relying on any single source as being the definitive speculative record on voting day, until the hard numbers are all in, is what is suspect.
Iowa Old Lady
@Major Major Major Major: Is this the same place where you sat next to pink haired people with wheat sensitivity who were debating whether to vote for Jill Stein or someone else I never heard of?
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: Well, then you should’ve said that. It sounded like you were trying to spin up some sort of “Benchmark is in the tank for Hillary” conspiracy, obviously starscream felt the same way. Shrug.
EDIT: Boy, sure accidentally stole both of your language there.
Ella in New Mexico
@singfoom:
Have to say, I’m not only in total agreement with what you wrote, I’m very disappointed in the fact that he didn’t write it already. I DO think Harry Reid is right–Bernie Sanders is BETTER than that.
But I really believe that somewhere, somehow, someone is not letting him be fully cognizant of what happened, and how bad it’s making the Sanders campaign look that he hasn’t said that. Somewhere, somehow, someone in the campaign is advising him to dodge addressing the behaviors of those delegates, to focus on the “bigger issues” and make no statements that show “weakness”. Even though I personally think the whole incident in NV was bullshit “intra-NV Democratic Party Dysfunction” with enough blame to go around in terms of how stupid their rules are, and that it really amounts to a hill of beans in terms of it’s reflection on what he stands for and what 99% of his supporters care about, the fact that it has become a more salient episode means Sanders should have demonstrated leadership here.
That being said, it’s over. It’s cool he stays in, but he needs to walk that line and focus on the long term, stay clean.
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: This is a person who will not live out his natural lifespan.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Good Christ, does Hugh Hewitt’s contract with MSNBCrequire that he be allowed to monopolize every segment (and if so, why was he allowed to write his own contract?), or is this just Tweety? And it’s not just Tweety
Major Major Major Major
@Iowa Old Lady: No, that was a diner in San Francisco. This one’s a cafe in San Francisco.
Ella in New Mexico
@germy:
Yeah, and we can also save petty criminals from committing future crimes and possible execution by cutting off their hands. Seems humane to me.
hamletta
@Ella in New Mexico:
Objection. Assumes horseshit not in evidence.
He spoke to Harry Reid, who came away with an assumption that Sanders’s statement would be quite different, more like the example above.
Or as Josh Marshall said, “written by Jeff Weaver, or Jeff Weaver after a case of Red Bull?”
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Gonna be a photo finish in KY!
Clinton in a slight lead with 72% reporting at the Guardian!
germy
@Ella in New Mexico: Disappointed in the VMS. They’re supposed to be advocates for the well-being of cats, not butchering them so someone’s favorite chair doesn’t get scratched.
Our cat has two scratching posts, one upstairs and one downstairs. Also, because my wife buys fabric by the yard, we have the thick cardboard it wraps around. That makes a third scratching post that the cat enjoys demolishing.
patroclus
@Ella in New Mexico: I agree that Nevada really is fairly minor. But I read a very lengthy diary over at the GOS from a delegate who was there and it seems clear that the chair throwing and death threats and booing weren’t justified at all. Bernie’s been in Puerto Rico and I suspect that he hasn’t been fully briefed on what happened. But his campaign is being vilified even at the GOS, which isn’t a good sign because that’s been pro-Bernie for months. In my view, he’s got about three more weeks to continue his campaign and try to win votes, but after that, he should be gracious and a unifier. I’m pretty sure that he will do so.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
So, same menu but with chi-chi prices?
;)
raven
@Major Major Major Major: Yep, you are correct. My bad. I still think there is some rat fucking afoot.
patroclus
Whoa! Clinton just took a 4200 lead!
schrodinger's cat
@lamh36: Its the female Fox bots that are a disgrace to women everywhere, you have nothing to apologize for.
Hal
@germy: A cousin of mine keeps bringing up declawing her new cat once he’s old enough. I told her I thought it was cruel and unnecessary and was basically told that was just an opinion. Um, ok. A friend got straight up mad at me when she brought up her declawed cat and again I said it was cruel. She told me to shut up and that I didn’t know what I was talking about. It’s like discussing politics at Thanksgiving.
lamh36
guachi
I haven’t written a diary at GOS in eight years and I finally wrote one because of Bernie’s statement about Nevada (and all the other dead ender nonsense leading up to this)
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
NBA Draft Lottery
1. Philadelphia
2. LA Lakers
3. Boston
gf120581
@hamletta: Marshall’s one of those who points the finger at Weaver as the source of the worst moves of the Bernie campaign and I tend to agree with him. The man is not only a blithering idiot, he’s also a classic “I will burn this fucking place to the ground if my guy doesn’t get it” type. Tad Devine’s got his numerous flaws, but he’s at least a realist with a career after this. Weaver will just sulk back to his comic shop and pout.
joel hanes
@patroclus:
In my view, he’s got about three more weeks to continue his campaign and try to win votes
In my view, his probationary grace period ended today, with his clueless and inadequate statement about the mess in NV.
Major Major Major Major
@patroclus: unlike those fully justified death threats that usually accompany state conventions.
@NotMax: better music too.
Joel
Looks like the Celtics will have the #3 pick in the draft. Sucks, since this is a two-player draft.
Hal
Conspiracy theory countdown in 5, 4, 3…
Mike J
I expect the formatting on this to be awful,
(short number is how far from 2026)
Before KY
Short % remaining needed
Clinton 308 34.33
Sanders 590 65.77
Assuming 28-27 split in KY
Clinton 280 33.25
Sanders 563 66.86
For shits ‘n giggles, lets give Sanders a 36-25 split in OR
Clinton 255 32.65
Sander 527 67.47
Only 781 left after tonight.
Origuy
Interesting that even though all the other Republicans have dropped out, Trump is only getting 35.9% in Kentucky.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@lamh36: He’s so powerful he’s spent the last 48 hrs denying he’s ignorant, a misogynist, and Hitler.
NotMax
KY Dem primary 2008:
Clinton: 65.48%
Obama: 29.92%
What, oh what could the different factor of the ballot have been then? (Rhetorical question.)
patroclus
@Major Major Major Major: LOL. I’ve been to some state Democratic conventions before. Never again!
Matt McIrvin
@guachi: Oregon should be Sanders’ great last hurrah. I’m surprised they’re predicting a race that close.
dr. bloor
@Joel: Eh, Ainge turned a #5 pick into a ring not so long ago. Let’s see how this plays out.
NotMax
@Origuy
Repeating – that was in March, not today, in the GOP caucus (a wholly owned subsidiary of Rand Paul, LLC).
Roger Moore
@Ella in New Mexico:
Which is almost as damning as if he really didn’t want to address it. If Bernie is being kept in the dark by his campaign staff, that’s still on him; he’s the one who chose those people to advise him. If he’s receiving information and advice that’s that terrible, it speaks very poorly of his ability to pick advisers. Since one of the key jobs of the president is to fill the top-ranking jobs in the government, inability to find good staff is a serious flaw.
Mnemosyne
@patroclus:
It was a particularly bad move to boo a popular California senator when California hasn’t even held its primary yet. If it had been DiFi, nobody would have cared, but booing Boxer? Bad idea.
Joel
@dr. bloor: Kevin McHale isn’t managing a franchise anymore — and neither is Billy King for that matter.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
F*** the Bern!
Hope that shitmouth asshole enjoys the Senate Siberia he has coming to him – Team D will hopefully refuse to caucus with him and McConnell will laugh at him.
And no, Vermont, no goodies for you until you rid us of the piece of shit.
Origuy
@NotMax: Sorry, I’m looking at the NY Times results. They don’t mention that anywhere. Journamalizm at its finest.
Origuy
@Origuy: Now I see the tiny note that the GOP results are from March 5.
patroclus
@Mnemosyne: Like I said last night, I live in Chicago now and anybody from any state has my permission to boo Rahmbo. (I can remember going to a MLK Holiday rally in the 80’s in D.C. and I was, like, the only white guy there and we all lustily booed Marion Berry). Sometimes it’s fully justified. But after reading that diary at the GOS, I’m pretty convinced that Boxer didn’t deserve it at all. And I would never boo DiFi after what she went through when Mosconi and Milk got killed.
Gin & Tonic
@Joel: Fuck the fucking Celtics.
dr. bloor
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Sanders has Pat Leahy backstopping him for goodies. I suspect the extent to which Ms. Sanders emerges as the villain in the demise of Burlington College might have somewhat more weight, if anything at all is enough to dislodge him.
Cacti
@Mnemosyne:
Booing her was bad optics. Shouting “bitch” at her was beyond the pale.
Don’t come for Barbara Boxer if she didn’t send for you.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’d like him to not do so a little faster.
pseudonymous in nc
@patroclus:
That means he’s either an ignorant loose cannon or the campaign’s running itself without his input. Neither of those are good looks.
joel hanes
@patroclus:
And I would never boo DiFi after what she went through when Mosconi and Milk got killed.
She’s been coasting on that for three decades.
Long past time for her to go and let the CA Dems elect a liberal.
PsiFighter37
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I could see Hillary telling Chuck Schumer to absolutely put the screws to Bernie if Democrats have 51 seats without him. Obama was the bigger person when it came to the Lieberman scenario, but I could see the Clinton crew being really retributive about it if they feel like it.
Ella in New Mexico
@germy: Absolutely. We do the best we can, but even then they do love to pull a rip on any upholstered furniture we own. if I could have $10 bucks for every item of “Shit My Cats Wrecked with their Claws” I’d be able to pay for my vacation in cash this summer. ;-)
You don’t like cats clawing at your furniture? DON’T GET ONE. GET A FURBY INSTEAD.
Davis X. Machina
@PsiFighter37: All this ugliness ceases the moment Sen. Clinton graciously suspends her campaign and finally allows the People to express its Authentic Will…
patroclus
@PsiFighter37: And I could see Dick Durbin being majority leader – after being against the Iran deal, Chuck Schumer can go pound sand.
Ella in New Mexico
@patroclus: Yeah, I don’t hold him personally accountable for a bunch of rabble-rousing spoilers in NV, but like you said, now that it’s out there he needs to get briefed and be a leader here.
But can I just say, it DOES piss me off that a small bunch of overheated, conspiracy-minded fanatics were able to create such an ugly scene, and now people who had absolutely nothing to do with it are somehow “responsible”–aka, the rest of his supporters who are perfectly nice, non-violent people? Fucking PISSES me off.
Fortunately for him, AND for Hilary, not all of us allow a few rotten apples to destroy the entire barrel when it comes to ugly behavior towards our opponent.
dr. bloor
@PsiFighter37:
Not picking on you personally, but what’s the basis for this? I see it all over the place, and it just doesn’t square with the pragmatist that won a couple of terms in the Senate and served as SoS. There’s no upside for her to put out a political hit on Sanders, she knows it, and I don’t see the track record to suggest vengeance takes priority.
Elie
@Matt McIrvin:
Oh I disagree, Matt. I think Trump can destroy Trump. He cannot look weak to his followers. Its just figurin which set up to get him there and unable to escape. He’s never had this much attention or opportunity to screw up by the number of balls in the air. For him, it will be weakness… looking lame, having to back down — …. Think of this period as the first quarter in a football game where both offenses and defenses probe for exploitable weakness. He has ’em just like anyone else… He got the jump on his lame ass party but remember that this is a marathon that is absolutely unforgiving. Once the weakness has been found, like any thing else, he will see it over and over until he can stop it. He will have a lot of things to stop coming from a lot of different directions. The amount of stuff that will have to be managed is way more than one narcissist with a B list political management team and perhaps limited funds over the haul.
Roger Moore
@PsiFighter37:
There was some practical politics there, too. Obama knew he needed 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, and he wasn’t going to get them without Lieberman.
NotMax
@Ella in New Mexico
If only he gave them a little red book to wave and keep their hands occupied.
(Ah – ah say, that’s a joke, son.)
Princess
@Ella in New Mexico: I think you may be right that Bernie is inside a bubble and his people are protecting him/keeping information from him. But it is ultimately down to him to know what’s up and be the compass steering his campaign. If he can’t do that at this point, it is reason enough to be glad he won’t be president. The White House is a much bigger cocoon than a primary campaign.
Ella in New Mexico
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Next to Ted Cruz, I can’t decide if he or Hugh Hewitt has the worlds most punchable face.
patroclus
@Ella in New Mexico: Agreed. Like they were saying on CNN, when there was one violent incident in India, Gandhi suspended his whole campaign and went on a hunger strike. I don’t think Sanders needs to go that far, but some sort of calming statement is desperately called for here.
Roger Moore
@Ella in New Mexico:
This. Cats scratch stuff, and they’ll ruin it if it’s something that can be damaged that way. You have to factor a certain amount of re-upholstery and drape replacement into the cost of owning a cat.
Ella in New Mexico
@Princess: I agree. Some people are great “idea” people like Bernie. I will always be proud to say I supported him and his great platform for most of this Primary. I still believe we need the changes in our system he’s talked about, and no one else was talking about, before he became popular.
But it takes some extraordinary mental, physical and emotional energy to also be able to poke your head outside that bubble, go beyond ideas, and be able to handle the gigantic demands of the Presidency. I’ve been outright amazed at Obama’s ability to do this time and time again. I don’t think we’ll see another person of Obama’s character and ability in the White House for a long, long time. Hilary has the potential, lets see if she can rise to the challenge.
Davis X. Machina
@patroclus: That involved actual deaths, of police. Some differences of degree are big enough to be differences of nature.
Ella in New Mexico
@Roger Moore: And Nature’s Miracle. By the 50 gallon drum. ;-)
Chyron HR
@Ella in New Mexico:
Sorry, but “I hear nothing, I see nothing, I know nothing!” isn’t as inspiring a slogan as the ones Sanders started his campaign with.
burnspbesq
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Right about now, if he hasn’t burned all his bridges, Brandon Ingram is online picking courses for his sophomore year.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@starscream: Thanks for the pointer. Looks interesting.
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who would love never having to watch cable TV political coverage again.)
Ruckus
@Dog Dawg Damn:
Seems like they did get treated with the fairness and especially the respect they earned. They just have no clue what those words mean.
burnspbesq
@joel hanes:
We’re on it. My guess is that the general will be Harris against Loretta Sanchez, which would be pretty close to a no-lose scenario.
Formerly disgruntled Clinton supporter
It’s election day here in Oregon, but since I voted weeks ago it’s a little less visceral.
Ella in New Mexico
@Chyron HR: Not it’s not. You’re absolutely right–was just telling my husband “What has happened to Bernie? I want the “I don’t give a damn about your emails, Hilary” Bernie, not this grumpy,worn out guy who won’t take responsibility and call a wrong a wrong. I want “The Bern”, not “Scorch and Burn”!”
burnspbesq
In tonight’s meaningful contest, Syndergaard is shutting out the Nats through seven. Mets lead 2-0.
Formerly disgruntled Clinton supporter
Tipping back a classic NW IPA in my local brewpub, enjoying cranky Cole, RtR’s inevitable pro-Trump turn, and all of the truth pouring out of y’all (okay that’s all from me, I’m out).
PsiFighter37
@burnspbesq: I am sure the GOP would try to ratfuck us somehow on that. I really, REALLY want Harris to win.
divF
@PsiFighter37: Then you probably don’t want to vote for Massie Munroe, representing the tinfoil-hat wing of the Democratic party.
I kid you not.
Omnes Omnibus
@divF: Well, who supports mind-control slavery?
The Other Chuck
@germy:
Man, no wonder Marco dropped out, he really cracked from the strain.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: My mistress?
Miss Bianca
@lamh36: Don’t even. Don’t *even* get me started. Down, blood pressure!
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: No judgment here. Have a nice time.
Feathers
If you want a declawed cat – adopt one who has already been declawed! I have a friend with fancy antiqued family heirloom shite. She declawed one cat, then realized it was wrong. Her later cats are declawed, but she adopted them from shelters as senior cats, some with medical needs. I figure it’s a fair trade off.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Evil azz mofo
Anne Laurie
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Pat Leahy’s still a good Senator (& from all reports a gentleman).
If you’re that angry at Sanders, you can look forward to Al Giordano’s run against him in 2018. Seriously — as Giordano points out, losing a presidential run seriously damages a politician’s hometown credit, even when it’s not the candidate’s fault they got skunked. Somebody is going to run against Bernie in 2018, and it’s not gonna be fun for the old man.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Actually, I’m in trouble for posting that – AAAGH!!!
randy khan
@Feathers: We have ended up with a couple of declawed cats via the older cat adoption route, and never would declaw a cat.
That said, the vets know what they’re talking about – people really will euthanize cats if they can’t declaw them. Someone who would do that is a terrible person, but I don’t want to make believe it won’t happen, and it’s nearly impossible to figure out ahead of time whether a person adopting a cat would do such an awful thing.
Soylent Green
I did my Oregon voting three weeks ago when my ballot came. National mail-in voting is probably the only way the US can prevent voter suppression by one party.
nutella
@Elie:
I dunno. He’s backed down about lots of things already and none of his voters have cared. Like minimum wage, about which he’s said it should go up, down, and be turned over to the states all within 24 hours.
So no, changing his mind/backing down is not a problem for Trump.
sinnedbackwards
@Baud: Grammar man, grammar. What you have against your grammar? She too old?