Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

She burned that motherfucker down, and I am so here for it. Thank you, Caroline Kennedy.

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

He really is that stupid.

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

Every decision we make has lots of baggage with it, known or unknown.

Not loving this new fraud based economy.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.

White supremacy is terrorism.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

We will not go back.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

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“… and millionaires like him.” That’s gonna leave a mark.

Apart from keeping firmly in mind that we have real enemies, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  2. 2.

    Mike J

    92 to 45 in Kentucky, actually saw somebody refer to it as Clinton up big. No. When a state with 4.5 million has fewer than 150 votes in, nobody is “up”.

  3. 3.

    Roger Moore

    “… and millionaires like him.” That’s gonna leave a mark.

    Only a very small one. That’s the whole point of needling somebody: the pain is out of proportion to the apparent damage. If you hadn’t pointed it out, I never would have noticed that little dig- but you can bet that Trump did. If Hillary can keep poking him in his most vulnerable spot- the ego- she can goad him into more public stupidity. Very good move.

  4. 4.

    Rolling Along

    For those of you who think a Socialism is the solution, why don’t you take a look at what is happening to Venezuela?

  5. 5.

    Dan

    ooooh, that tweet is beautiful shade. Looks like the Clinton campaign is going to be branding Trump as a phony con man, as some have suggested. HERE FOR IT.

  6. 6.

    dedc79

    Would be funny if everyone, and particularly the press, took to referring to him as “The millionaire Donald Trump” unless/until he proves otherwise.

  7. 7.

    Getting Turgid!

    For those of you who think a apple are oranges and effects have just one cause, look at this example I’ve trimmed down to you in a stupid soundbite.

    Hillary better get ready for DONALDS LOAD OF CASH!

  10. 10.

    cmorenc

    Glad HRC and the democrats understand that the way to undo Trump is to let him speak for himself, in his own words.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Ouch. That sure hits The Donald where he lives…in his fantasy bank account.

  26. 26.

    Cacti

    Not mean enough.

    Should have been “billionaires and short-fingered millionaires like him.”

  28. 28.

    JPL

    @Rommie: Wouldn’t it be easier for Congress to pass a law preventing airlines from charging check in for two bags?
    lol.. I know Congress can’t pass anything unless it’s repeal of the ACA.

    also limit carry on..

  30. 30.

    singfoom

    @Baud:

    I should have made “Fuck Comcast” my campaign slogan.

    50 states? With that slogan sir, you could have been elected leader of the free world.

  31. 31.

    NotMax

    @Baud

    A bit fewer.

    Comcast services U.S. residential and commercial customers in 40 states and the District of Columbia. Source

    ;)

  32. 32.

    The Thin Black Duke

    Is Bernie Sanders being paid by the Kochs? Lately, it’s the only explanations that makes sense.

  33. 33.

    BBA

    We haven’t heard from PUMA-in-chief Lynn de Rothschild lately. Who’s she endorsing?

  35. 35.

    Baud

    @WaterGirl:

    I thought I’d start referring to myself in the third person to project more gravitas.

    I mean…

    Baud thought he’d start referring to himself in the third person to project more gravitas.

  36. 36.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @BBA: That’s Her Baroness Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild to you.

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    @BBA

    Busy gearing up for party season?

    Lynn notes that she and Sir Evelyn—who also own homes in New York, London, and Bedfordshire, England—host family and friends on the island “all summer long.” Their extended brood includes five grown children (from their previous marriages), three grandchildren, and everyone’s assorted partners and pals. What’s more, they’re avid hosts and active in politics (Lynn is an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter), so the house needed to be both spacious and flexible, as comfortable for just the two of them as for entertaining a large group. Source

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: That’s how it starts. One minute, you’re referring to yourself in the third person to project more gravitas. The next, you are doing erectile dysfunction commercials.

    (Or am I confusing former republican leaders?)

  43. 43.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    That Trump video is A GOLDMINE. YES YES YES MORE PLEASE.

    (Boilerplate anti-tax-breaks stuff is boiler-plate.)

  46. 46.

    Bruce K

    Y’know, last year, my money was on Trump self-destructing spectacularly at some point, and I’m starting to realize that’s still not out of the question. At this point, though, I’m not sure whether it’d be better for the country if he politically disintegrated before Cleveland, or after.

  47. 47.

    Trollhattan

    This does bring up the sweet possibility that at some point Hillary can address the Donald in person: “Millionaires like you and I have to work hard to understand and communicate with the working poor.”

  48. 48.

    BBA

    @NotMax: Looks like she’s still backing Hillary. That’ll help us with the crucial married-into-foreign-nobility demographic.

  49. 49.

    Mnemosyne

    Trump haz a sad because he’s not in the three commas club.

    (No spoilers, please — I haven’t started watching the new season yet.)

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mike J: Well those 147 voters were up early, but beyond that you are correct. It amazes me, given all the errors in exit polling and projections over the past 17 years that the political reporters still lock right onto them.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    @Bruce K

    Bookcases of the future shall sag under the volume of weighty tomes discussing the Great Cleveland Meltdown.

    @Baud

    Scared? Or smart? ;)

  52. 52.

    Trollhattan

    @Bruce K:
    Me too, I’ve been expecting him to China Syndrome ever since he got in, but despite his many mini-Chernobyls his supporters stick with him in their little radiation suits so at this point, we can presume he can’t actually fatally damage his campaign; Hillary will have to do that for him. And us.

  56. 56.

    Cacti

    Hmmm…despite being presumptive nominee, Drumpf only wins 35.9% of the vote in the KY GOP caucus.

    Rafael only lost by 4 points, despite dropping out.

  58. 58.

    AnotherBruce

    So, CNN reported that prior to the Nevada caucus meeting. The head organizer for the Sander’s campaign told their delegates not to leave the convention hall until they got word from the campaign. No wonder they started to riot when security started to shut the building down. They were going to simply stomp their feet until they got their own way. Keep in mind, that Hillary won the Nevada caucus on February 20th.

  59. 59.

    gf120581

    I must say, it’s rather fascinating to see Bernie Sanders in the process of destroying any influence and good will he’d built up with his campaign.

    What an idiot response to the NV mess. Especially pissing off Harry Reid. You don’t piss off Reid and live to tell about it. My guess is that come January, especially if the Dems have a solid Senate majority, Bernie will be out in the cold (even with Reid having left the Senate).

  61. 61.

    gf120581

    @AnotherBruce: Cole compared them to college students, but I think that’s too generous. It seems like a campaign staffed by badly behaved six year olds who are going to scream and throw tantrums unless Mommy gives them the toy they want.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    My RSS feed says that Kos himself just lit into Bernie big time. GOS servers are going to berning tonight.

    In related news, I like Wonkette’s headline

    Kentucky And Oregon Voting Today, Because Oh My God This Primary Will Never End

  64. 64.

    Cacti

    Okay, for any Kentuckians on the board, who in the world is Rocky De La Fuente?

  65. 65.

    Trollhattan

    @gf120581:
    Maybe it gets to the underlying reason for the “I”. He and Ted the Poisonous can caucus together starting next year, neither has earned a warm welcome back from the campaign trail.

  66. 66.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Baud: Stay healthy and sane and run in 2020. We might be worthy of you by then.

    @Cacti: That’s interesting. You would think he would get 100% of the vote given that he’s the last man standing. Doesn’t bode well for him in the general.

  69. 69.

    debbie

    @NotMax:

    Lynn is an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter

    But she’s fickle. Don’t forget her cavorting with McCain in 2008.

  71. 71.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” The party should have went with Baud. Would have saved us a lot of grief. ”

    If we knew that the nominee would be hopeless right from the beginning, we would have ample time to go through the stages of grief.

  74. 74.

    Roger Moore

    @Bruce K:

    At this point, though, I’m not sure whether it’d be better for the country if he politically disintegrated before Cleveland, or after.

    Hmm. That’s a tougher call than I first thought. My first thought was that it would be better after the convention, because he would take down a whole bunch of other Republicans with him. Then I realized that if he blows up before the convention, it could spark a gigantic bloodbath during the convention as everyone tries to figure out what to do about his self destruction and how they can profit from it.

  75. 75.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Bruce K: After. By then the Republicans would be in shambles and have a hard time coming up with a viable candidate for the general election. That would serve them right.

  76. 76.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    For any Guy Clark fans, I left some additional links below.

    @Baud: I love that headline, and may want to gay marry it.

  78. 78.

    ChicagoPat

    @Roger Moore: Reminds me of this line from Tyrion Lannister: “The longer Cersei waits, the angrier she’ll become, and anger makes her stupid. I much prefer angry and stupid to composed and cunning”. Being mocked makes Donald angry, and that brings out the ignorance, racism and misogyny in spades.

  80. 80.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    Sanders campaign double-triple-dawg downing on this stupid “rigged election” nonsense:

    “If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned.”

    Josh Marshall’s take: this is an ultimatum.

  81. 81.

    singfoom

    I was a Bernie supporter until the NYDN article so I’ll help him out. Here’s what your press release about NV should have said:

    “I am very sorry to the members of the Democratic party in Nevada who have been subject to harassment by my supporters. While I admire the passion my supporters have shown, I wholeheartedly disown their actions. I do not support threats of violence, doxxing people or vandalism in my campaign for the nomination. I ask that those who have done these things in my name consider the harm they have done, not just to me, or my campaign, but to the Democratic party and themselves.

    To Roberta Lang (sp?), I offer my most sincere apologies. It horrifies me that my supporters made you feel unsafe in any capacity. Again, I disown their actions and tactics and hopefully this statement is enough to make sure anything like this never happens again.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders”

    How fucking hard would it be? I fought plenty of people months ago about Bernie on this board. This though the non apology with the ultimatum, it’s pretty clear he can’t play well with others. This is PR 89, not even 101.

  83. 83.

    ? Martin

    @Roger Moore: After is better. At that point they’re committed, and having just done a big public show over how much they love him, down to the video retrospective, they can hardly claim that he doesn’t speak for them.

  88. 88.

    Cacti

    @lamh36:

    Yep. Sanders supporters hoped to scheme their way to a delegate majority in Nevada, despite losing the vote there.

    They failed, and went nuts about it.

  94. 94.

    Alex.S

    @AnotherBruce: That’s standard practice for a caucus — because of the weirdness of them, the advice given is to stay forever until the campaign says the voting is over.

    The Nevada caucus was racing at the end to get through all the non-delegate business to try to finish all the voting (party platform, for example) before they were kicked out after being there for 14+ hours.

  98. 98.

    AnotherBruce

    @lamh36: In a way that’s true, but for some damn reason Nevada has about a 3 step process. Bernie was trying to get the edge with step 2, but then failed to follow through with the final step. Fuck caucuses, they truly suck.

  99. 99.

    dmsilev

    I can report that a bird (a juvenile hummingbird) landed on top of the microwave oven right outside my office just now. Can I be the Denocratic nominee now?

    (We fed it some sugar water and then opened a window so it could fly off)

  103. 103.

    Alex.S

    @AnotherBruce: Yeah, the key is that more Clinton delegates showed up than Sanders delegates for the third tier (state caucus). Sanders actually had more at the 2nd tier (county caucus) but couldn’t convert them through. The Clinton majority was super small though.

    Sanders is concentrating on the 64 delegates who were blocked (bad contact info, not a Democrat, or not a registered voter)… although 14 showed up. 6 were credentialed after their information was fixed. 8 were not allowed because they weren’t registered voters or registered Democrats. 50 didn’t show up… along with hundreds of other delegates (both Clinton and Sanders). In addition, 8 Clinton delegates were also blocked for the same reason and didn’t show up. Both campaigns were given this information before the caucus.

    What angers me is that the Sanders campaign is just lying about the delegates who were blocked, why they were blocked, and implying that they were there but were unable to vote which is how Clinton won.

    Well, that and caucuses — it’s stupid to have three separate days for voting, with the final day being over twelve hours long.

  105. 105.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 23s23 seconds ago

    Clinton up 10k votes now in Jefferson – Get ready for the news networks to pick it up.

    7 retweets 5 likes

  109. 109.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    The Hill Verified account ‏@thehill

    Melania Trump on Donald: “He’s not Hitler”

    157 retweets 155 likes

    Bill Madden ‏@activist360

    Melania Trump needing to tell voters that Donald is not Hitler is every bit as bizarre as Christine O’Donnell telling ppl she’s not a witch.

    7 retweets 6 likes

    Somewhere LBJ is laughing his ass off. He only got Goldwater to deny being a sheep fucker. It’s only been 1 week and Hillary already got Trump to deny he’s Hitler.

  110. 110.

    Jeffro

    AL, saw that tweet from HRC earlier and thought the same thing – OUCH.

    Looks like the Clinton campaign is wasting no time in road-testing Trump takedowns and shaping the fall campaign on its terms. Love it. GOP, you’re really, truly going to regret everything you’ve put this woman through.

  112. 112.

    starscream

    Seriously, what does Benchmark have to gain by inflating the results for Hillary for a couple hours? It’s not like they’re the official results, lol.

  113. 113.

    Mike J

    @Alex.S:

    50 didn’t show up… along with hundreds of other delegates (both Clinton and Sanders).

    98% of Clinton’s showed up. 78% of Bernie’s. About 400 berners couldn’t be arsed.

  114. 114.

    Jeffro

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: she’s going to play him like a fiddle for almost six straight months unless the GOP Establishment bites the bullet and steps in at Cleveland. That is if he does not stroke out first trying to keep up a 72 hour Twitter Benj

  118. 118.

    burnspbesq

    @gf120581:

    I don’t think Warren will put Bernie on an ice floe if she’s Majority Leader.

    Schumer, on the other hand, will do it and enjoy it enormously.

  121. 121.

    Roger Moore

    @? Martin:
    After is more obviously bad, but there’s more uncertainty if he blows up before. There’s the whole question of whether they can force him out at the convention and whether attempts to try would blow up in their faces. Basically, I think a Three Mile Island-sized meltdown (i.e. big enough to do damage but potentially containable) would be better before the convention, since it might wind up splitting the party between people who want to try forcing him out and ones who still want to back him, and that’s better when there’s still a convention for it to play out in. A Chernobyl-sized meltdown (i.e. complete destruction) would be better after the convention, because there wouldn’t be any obvious way of picking a replacement. Actually, the very best would be during his acceptance speech at the convention, because that’s when he’ll have the most media attention.

  126. 126.

    Jeffro

    @Iowa Old Lady: the great thing is, about 30 seconds after he takes the bait, she’ll say, “prove it – release your tax returns big man”

  128. 128.

    Roger Moore

    @dmsilev:

    We fed it some sugar water and then opened a window so it could fly off

    My experience is that you need more than an open window; it’s better to catch them and carry them out. Of course that’s especially important at my home because of the cat.

  129. 129.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Gorgeous Outfits — Will Ferrell at the State Dinner in crushed velvet (photo)

  130. 130.

    shortribs

    What’s on the agenda tonight? I’d say “voting” since I’m in Oregon, but we have state-wide mail in voting so I voted two weeks ago while watching Game of Thrones. If there’s one voter bill I’d like to see passed in every state, it’s mail-in voting.

  131. 131.

    Alex.S

    @Mike J: Yeah, but hundreds (I’m assuming) didn’t show up for the county caucuses, which let the Sanders group get the slim majority there.

    Caucuses are just terrible and should not be used.

  132. 132.

    lamh36

    Oh look… Megyn Kelly and da Donald are friends again…eyeroll…

    ianbremmer
    .realDonaldTrump & megynkelly, friends again. (In front of Playboy cover–Trump trolls FTW)

    TIME
    Megyn Kelly says Donald Trump’s hair is real because she “ran her hands through it”

    I do not like Megyn Kelly. I could care less about Trump’s sexist comments towards her. I remember all her PBO/MO/Black bashing shit very well. Does that make me a discredit to womanhood, then so be it.

  133. 133.

    p.a.

    H/T R Mayhew’s BJ post “The ACA and Medical Risk Corridors” posted as a 5/17 Must Read on Equitablog.

  136. 136.

    Mike J

    @NotMax: If they were dumb enough to say something like Sanders +40 and it didn’t happen, all they would do is destroy their rep. They might get more hits for one night, but if you’re in it for at least the rest of the season, you want to be known for being right.

  137. 137.

    starscream

    @NotMax: No, that all came because of their track record. They got acquired because they’ve had the most accurate predictions of anyone, including 538. This honestly might be the funniest conspiracy theory yet.

  139. 139.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    @Iowa Old Lady: \

    And that “millionaire” dig is so sly. I want to see him take the bait and respond!

    Donald’s one predictable trait: he can’t resist responding to trollage. She needs to do shit like this regularly for the next 6 months.
    I can’t believe we have half a year to go. This is going to get epic.

  140. 140.

    Mary G

    I never did hear back from the hand surgeon that did my first wrist repair. Evidently he has a lot of sports ball player patients with way more money than Medicare pays for me. The good news is that the local orthopedist practice that did my knees, hip, and ankle have just added a hand guy, and I have an appointment on Thursday, yay. From looking online it appears that it’s two months in a cast and then two months in a splint. I’m not looking forward to that at all. It always seems to happen in the summer.

    /self-pity

  141. 141.

    starscream

    Benchmark is so in the tank for HRC that they got banned from the /hillaryclinton subreddit.

  142. 142.

    Mike J

    @Alex.S:

    Caucuses are just terrible and should not be used.

    I’ve been through several and agree wholeheartedly. We had berners trying to count the votes of people who weren’t there. “That’s my roommate, I know how he wants to vote.”

    That said, caucuses actually help outsider/insurgent candidates. In a primary, the delegates are all going to be party people, and very, very hard to break through.

  143. 143.

    Major Major Major Major

    The people behind me are talking about how they saw a guy with a t-shirt that had a picture of Hillary and Trump posing like two of the guys from NWA that said “Straight Outta Options”. One of them said “Yeah, I went up and shook that guy’s hand, man.”

    Next I overheard they were talking about how “there’s no such thing as class, man, everybody’s just human.”

  144. 144.

    patroclus

    Hillary just took the lead! And Sanders’ campaign over at the GOS is just getting MAULED in the comments. For the first time all year! Even by many millenials who have been Bernie supporters all campaign long!

  145. 145.

    Truegster

    @Rolling Along: How about we compare Puerto Rico to Cuba? Last I checked, little Cuba has a better economy and isn’t in default. And Puerto Rico had help from big brother US Capitalism while Cuba got shafted by that same big bully.
    And as for Venezuela, I’ll take this comparison any day – decades of the corrupt neo-colonialism pre Chavez in its brutal repression, or living in the post Chavez reform era (early 2000’s) where poverty, literacy, education and medical coverage began.
    I’ll gladly rep the South American Socialism, but you are going to be representing South American Fascism in that argument, if you want an actual debate..because that was the reality, the actual history.

  146. 146.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 2m2 minutes ago

    With 40% of Jefferson out and all of Fayette on major networks, I don’t see how Sanders wins KY.

    23 retweets 27 likes

  147. 147.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Bruce K:

    Y’know, last year, my money was on Trump self-destructing spectacularly at some point, and I’m starting to realize that’s still not out of the question.

    Completely out of the question. He’s already done what would be complete self-destruction for a normal politician twenty or thirty times over. He could probably get 40% of the vote from prison for a spree shooting.

    I think we have to accept that nothing can really destroy him. All we can do is try to keep his support from increasing too much.

  149. 149.

    PsiFighter37

    @singfoom: It’s because he’s an asshole. There’s no other explanation for it, other than a lack of common decency.

  150. 150.

    germy

    New York would be the first state to ban the declawing of cats under a legislative proposal that has divided veterinarians.

    Several vets — along with a spokescat named Rubio — came to the state Capitol on Tuesday to lobby for the ban. They say the declawing procedure, which involves cutting through bone, tendon and nerves to amputate the first segment of a cat’s toes, is unnecessary and cruel. Australia, Britain and several European countries already ban the practice. It’s also illegal in Los Angeles and some other California cities.

    “It’s a disfiguring, inhumane and misguided procedure,” said Eileen Jefferson, an Ulster County veterinarian who does not perform the procedure. She said about 25 percent of cats will be declawed.

    While Jefferson and the other vets discussed the bill at a press conference in the Capitol, Rubio roamed the room, sniffing the reporters and occasionally offering a meow as greeting. The 11-year-old Abyssinian has his claws but chose not to use them on the journalists.

    The state’s Veterinary Medical Society opposes the legislation, saying the surgical procedure can often save cats with destructive scratching behavior from being euthanized. In a memo of opposition, the society argues that declawing is a decision best left to cat owners and veterinarians and not lawmakers.

    (from the AP)

  151. 151.

    Joel

    @Mike J: Looks like Clinton is going to win Jefferson and Fayette (e.g. the big urban counties) by large margins and that many of those votes haven’t been accounted for yet. In other words, same story as with every other state.

  154. 154.

    patroclus

    @Joel: Yeah, but the one difference may be that Hillary is doing better in the university towns that she has previously.

  157. 157.

    NotMax

    @Major Major Major Major

    Thanks, but I’ve lots of words and don ‘t need nor appreciate any more being put into my mouth.

    Sheesh.

    Wasn’t spinning a conspiracy, was emphasizing knowing the source and taking that into account (or ignoring it as germane) is always good. Either way, knowledge is power. Relying on any single source as being the definitive speculative record on voting day, until the hard numbers are all in, is what is suspect.

  159. 159.

    Major Major Major Major

    @NotMax: Well, then you should’ve said that. It sounded like you were trying to spin up some sort of “Benchmark is in the tank for Hillary” conspiracy, obviously starscream felt the same way. Shrug.

    EDIT: Boy, sure accidentally stole both of your language there.

  160. 160.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @singfoom:

    While I admire the passion my supporters have shown, I wholeheartedly disown their actions.

    Have to say, I’m not only in total agreement with what you wrote, I’m very disappointed in the fact that he didn’t write it already. I DO think Harry Reid is right–Bernie Sanders is BETTER than that.

    But I really believe that somewhere, somehow, someone is not letting him be fully cognizant of what happened, and how bad it’s making the Sanders campaign look that he hasn’t said that. Somewhere, somehow, someone in the campaign is advising him to dodge addressing the behaviors of those delegates, to focus on the “bigger issues” and make no statements that show “weakness”. Even though I personally think the whole incident in NV was bullshit “intra-NV Democratic Party Dysfunction” with enough blame to go around in terms of how stupid their rules are, and that it really amounts to a hill of beans in terms of it’s reflection on what he stands for and what 99% of his supporters care about, the fact that it has become a more salient episode means Sanders should have demonstrated leadership here.

    That being said, it’s over. It’s cool he stays in, but he needs to walk that line and focus on the long term, stay clean.

  162. 162.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Good Christ, does Hugh Hewitt’s contract with MSNBCrequire that he be allowed to monopolize every segment (and if so, why was he allowed to write his own contract?), or is this just Tweety? And it’s not just Tweety

  164. 164.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @germy:

    The state’s Veterinary Medical Society opposes the legislation, saying the surgical procedure can often save cats with destructive scratching behavior from being euthanized.

    Yeah, and we can also save petty criminals from committing future crimes and possible execution by cutting off their hands. Seems humane to me.

  165. 165.

    hamletta

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    But I really believe that somewhere, somehow, someone is not letting him be fully cognizant of what happened

    Objection. Assumes horseshit not in evidence.

    He spoke to Harry Reid, who came away with an assumption that Sanders’s statement would be quite different, more like the example above.

    Or as Josh Marshall said, “written by Jeff Weaver, or Jeff Weaver after a case of Red Bull?”

  166. 166.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    Gonna be a photo finish in KY!
    Clinton in a slight lead with 72% reporting at the Guardian!

  167. 167.

    germy

    @Ella in New Mexico: Disappointed in the VMS. They’re supposed to be advocates for the well-being of cats, not butchering them so someone’s favorite chair doesn’t get scratched.

    Our cat has two scratching posts, one upstairs and one downstairs. Also, because my wife buys fabric by the yard, we have the thick cardboard it wraps around. That makes a third scratching post that the cat enjoys demolishing.

  168. 168.

    patroclus

    @Ella in New Mexico: I agree that Nevada really is fairly minor. But I read a very lengthy diary over at the GOS from a delegate who was there and it seems clear that the chair throwing and death threats and booing weren’t justified at all. Bernie’s been in Puerto Rico and I suspect that he hasn’t been fully briefed on what happened. But his campaign is being vilified even at the GOS, which isn’t a good sign because that’s been pro-Bernie for months. In my view, he’s got about three more weeks to continue his campaign and try to win votes, but after that, he should be gracious and a unifier. I’m pretty sure that he will do so.

  173. 173.

    Hal

    @germy: A cousin of mine keeps bringing up declawing her new cat once he’s old enough. I told her I thought it was cruel and unnecessary and was basically told that was just an opinion. Um, ok. A friend got straight up mad at me when she brought up her declawed cat and again I said it was cruel. She told me to shut up and that I didn’t know what I was talking about. It’s like discussing politics at Thanksgiving.

  174. 174.

    lamh36

    @alexwagner
    Kelly to Trump: “You are so powerful. You are so powerful now.” [Fin]

  175. 175.

    guachi

    I haven’t written a diary at GOS in eight years and I finally wrote one because of Bernie’s statement about Nevada (and all the other dead ender nonsense leading up to this)

  176. 176.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    NBA Draft Lottery

    1. Philadelphia
    2. LA Lakers
    3. Boston

  177. 177.

    gf120581

    @hamletta: Marshall’s one of those who points the finger at Weaver as the source of the worst moves of the Bernie campaign and I tend to agree with him. The man is not only a blithering idiot, he’s also a classic “I will burn this fucking place to the ground if my guy doesn’t get it” type. Tad Devine’s got his numerous flaws, but he’s at least a realist with a career after this. Weaver will just sulk back to his comic shop and pout.

  178. 178.

    joel hanes

    @patroclus:

    In my view, he’s got about three more weeks to continue his campaign and try to win votes

    In my view, his probationary grace period ended today, with his clueless and inadequate statement about the mess in NV.

  180. 180.

    Joel

    Looks like the Celtics will have the #3 pick in the draft. Sucks, since this is a two-player draft.

  182. 182.

    Mike J

    I expect the formatting on this to be awful,
    (short number is how far from 2026)

    Before KY
    Short % remaining needed
    Clinton 308 34.33
    Sanders 590 65.77

    Assuming 28-27 split in KY
    Clinton 280 33.25
    Sanders 563 66.86

    For shits ‘n giggles, lets give Sanders a 36-25 split in OR
    Clinton 255 32.65
    Sander 527 67.47

    Only 781 left after tonight.

  183. 183.

    Origuy

    Interesting that even though all the other Republicans have dropped out, Trump is only getting 35.9% in Kentucky.

  184. 184.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @lamh36: He’s so powerful he’s spent the last 48 hrs denying he’s ignorant, a misogynist, and Hitler.

  185. 185.

    NotMax

    KY Dem primary 2008:

    Clinton: 65.48%
    Obama: 29.92%

    What, oh what could the different factor of the ballot have been then? (Rhetorical question.)

  187. 187.

    Matt McIrvin

    @guachi: Oregon should be Sanders’ great last hurrah. I’m surprised they’re predicting a race that close.

  189. 189.

    NotMax

    @Origuy

    Repeating – that was in March, not today, in the GOP caucus (a wholly owned subsidiary of Rand Paul, LLC).

  190. 190.

    Roger Moore

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    But I really believe that somewhere, somehow, someone is not letting him be fully cognizant of what happened, and how bad it’s making the Sanders campaign look that he hasn’t said that.

    Which is almost as damning as if he really didn’t want to address it. If Bernie is being kept in the dark by his campaign staff, that’s still on him; he’s the one who chose those people to advise him. If he’s receiving information and advice that’s that terrible, it speaks very poorly of his ability to pick advisers. Since one of the key jobs of the president is to fill the top-ranking jobs in the government, inability to find good staff is a serious flaw.

  191. 191.

    Mnemosyne

    @patroclus:

    It was a particularly bad move to boo a popular California senator when California hasn’t even held its primary yet. If it had been DiFi, nobody would have cared, but booing Boxer? Bad idea.

  193. 193.

    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    F*** the Bern!

    Hope that shitmouth asshole enjoys the Senate Siberia he has coming to him – Team D will hopefully refuse to caucus with him and McConnell will laugh at him.

    And no, Vermont, no goodies for you until you rid us of the piece of shit.

  194. 194.

    Origuy

    @NotMax: Sorry, I’m looking at the NY Times results. They don’t mention that anywhere. Journamalizm at its finest.

  196. 196.

    patroclus

    @Mnemosyne: Like I said last night, I live in Chicago now and anybody from any state has my permission to boo Rahmbo. (I can remember going to a MLK Holiday rally in the 80’s in D.C. and I was, like, the only white guy there and we all lustily booed Marion Berry). Sometimes it’s fully justified. But after reading that diary at the GOS, I’m pretty convinced that Boxer didn’t deserve it at all. And I would never boo DiFi after what she went through when Mosconi and Milk got killed.

  199. 199.

    Cacti

    @Mnemosyne:

    It was a particularly bad move to boo a popular California senator when California hasn’t even held its primary yet. If it had been DiFi, nobody would have cared, but booing Boxer? Bad idea.

    Booing her was bad optics. Shouting “bitch” at her was beyond the pale.

    Don’t come for Barbara Boxer if she didn’t send for you.

  200. 200.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    @lamh36:This is a person who will not live out his natural lifespan.

    I’d like him to not do so a little faster.

  201. 201.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @patroclus:

    Bernie’s been in Puerto Rico and I suspect that he hasn’t been fully briefed on what happened.

    That means he’s either an ignorant loose cannon or the campaign’s running itself without his input. Neither of those are good looks.

  202. 202.

    joel hanes

    @patroclus:

    And I would never boo DiFi after what she went through when Mosconi and Milk got killed.

    She’s been coasting on that for three decades.
    Long past time for her to go and let the CA Dems elect a liberal.

  204. 204.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @germy: Absolutely. We do the best we can, but even then they do love to pull a rip on any upholstered furniture we own. if I could have $10 bucks for every item of “Shit My Cats Wrecked with their Claws” I’d be able to pay for my vacation in cash this summer. ;-)

    You don’t like cats clawing at your furniture? DON’T GET ONE. GET A FURBY INSTEAD.

  205. 205.

    Davis X. Machina

    @PsiFighter37: All this ugliness ceases the moment Sen. Clinton graciously suspends her campaign and finally allows the People to express its Authentic Will…

  206. 206.

    patroclus

    @PsiFighter37: And I could see Dick Durbin being majority leader – after being against the Iran deal, Chuck Schumer can go pound sand.

  207. 207.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @patroclus: Yeah, I don’t hold him personally accountable for a bunch of rabble-rousing spoilers in NV, but like you said, now that it’s out there he needs to get briefed and be a leader here.

    But can I just say, it DOES piss me off that a small bunch of overheated, conspiracy-minded fanatics were able to create such an ugly scene, and now people who had absolutely nothing to do with it are somehow “responsible”–aka, the rest of his supporters who are perfectly nice, non-violent people? Fucking PISSES me off.

    Fortunately for him, AND for Hilary, not all of us allow a few rotten apples to destroy the entire barrel when it comes to ugly behavior towards our opponent.

  208. 208.

    dr. bloor

    @PsiFighter37:

    but I could see the Clinton crew being really retributive about it if they feel like it.

    Not picking on you personally, but what’s the basis for this? I see it all over the place, and it just doesn’t square with the pragmatist that won a couple of terms in the Senate and served as SoS. There’s no upside for her to put out a political hit on Sanders, she knows it, and I don’t see the track record to suggest vengeance takes priority.

  209. 209.

    Elie

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Oh I disagree, Matt. I think Trump can destroy Trump. He cannot look weak to his followers. Its just figurin which set up to get him there and unable to escape. He’s never had this much attention or opportunity to screw up by the number of balls in the air. For him, it will be weakness… looking lame, having to back down — …. Think of this period as the first quarter in a football game where both offenses and defenses probe for exploitable weakness. He has ’em just like anyone else… He got the jump on his lame ass party but remember that this is a marathon that is absolutely unforgiving. Once the weakness has been found, like any thing else, he will see it over and over until he can stop it. He will have a lot of things to stop coming from a lot of different directions. The amount of stuff that will have to be managed is way more than one narcissist with a B list political management team and perhaps limited funds over the haul.

  210. 210.

    Roger Moore

    @PsiFighter37:

    Obama was the bigger person when it came to the Lieberman scenario

    There was some practical politics there, too. Obama knew he needed 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, and he wasn’t going to get them without Lieberman.

  212. 212.

    Princess

    @Ella in New Mexico: I think you may be right that Bernie is inside a bubble and his people are protecting him/keeping information from him. But it is ultimately down to him to know what’s up and be the compass steering his campaign. If he can’t do that at this point, it is reason enough to be glad he won’t be president. The White House is a much bigger cocoon than a primary campaign.

  213. 213.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Good Christ, does Hugh Hewitt’s contract with MSNBCrequire that he be allowed to monopolize every segment

    Next to Ted Cruz, I can’t decide if he or Hugh Hewitt has the worlds most punchable face.

  214. 214.

    patroclus

    @Ella in New Mexico: Agreed. Like they were saying on CNN, when there was one violent incident in India, Gandhi suspended his whole campaign and went on a hunger strike. I don’t think Sanders needs to go that far, but some sort of calming statement is desperately called for here.

  215. 215.

    Roger Moore

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    You don’t like cats clawing at your furniture? DON’T GET ONE.

    This. Cats scratch stuff, and they’ll ruin it if it’s something that can be damaged that way. You have to factor a certain amount of re-upholstery and drape replacement into the cost of owning a cat.

  216. 216.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Princess: I agree. Some people are great “idea” people like Bernie. I will always be proud to say I supported him and his great platform for most of this Primary. I still believe we need the changes in our system he’s talked about, and no one else was talking about, before he became popular.

    But it takes some extraordinary mental, physical and emotional energy to also be able to poke your head outside that bubble, go beyond ideas, and be able to handle the gigantic demands of the Presidency. I’ve been outright amazed at Obama’s ability to do this time and time again. I don’t think we’ll see another person of Obama’s character and ability in the White House for a long, long time. Hilary has the potential, lets see if she can rise to the challenge.

  217. 217.

    Davis X. Machina

    @patroclus: That involved actual deaths, of police. Some differences of degree are big enough to be differences of nature.

  221. 221.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @starscream: Thanks for the pointer. Looks interesting.

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who would love never having to watch cable TV political coverage again.)

  222. 222.

    Ruckus

    @Dog Dawg Damn:

    “campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned.”

    Seems like they did get treated with the fairness and especially the respect they earned. They just have no clue what those words mean.

  223. 223.

    burnspbesq

    @joel hanes:

    Long past time for her to go and let the CA Dems elect a liberal

    We’re on it. My guess is that the general will be Harris against Loretta Sanchez, which would be pretty close to a no-lose scenario.

  224. 224.

    Formerly disgruntled Clinton supporter

    It’s election day here in Oregon, but since I voted weeks ago it’s a little less visceral.

  225. 225.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Chyron HR: Not it’s not. You’re absolutely right–was just telling my husband “What has happened to Bernie? I want the “I don’t give a damn about your emails, Hilary” Bernie, not this grumpy,worn out guy who won’t take responsibility and call a wrong a wrong. I want “The Bern”, not “Scorch and Burn”!”

  226. 226.

    burnspbesq

    In tonight’s meaningful contest, Syndergaard is shutting out the Nats through seven. Mets lead 2-0.

  227. 227.

    Formerly disgruntled Clinton supporter

    Tipping back a classic NW IPA in my local brewpub, enjoying cranky Cole, RtR’s inevitable pro-Trump turn, and all of the truth pouring out of y’all (okay that’s all from me, I’m out).

  229. 229.

    divF

    @PsiFighter37: Then you probably don’t want to vote for Massie Munroe, representing the tinfoil-hat wing of the Democratic party.

    My campaign represents … ending mind-control slavery

    I kid you not.

  231. 231.

    The Other Chuck

    @germy:

    While Jefferson and the other vets discussed the bill at a press conference in the Capitol, Rubio roamed the room, sniffing the reporters and occasionally offering a meow as greeting.

    Man, no wonder Marco dropped out, he really cracked from the strain.

  235. 235.

    Feathers

    If you want a declawed cat – adopt one who has already been declawed! I have a friend with fancy antiqued family heirloom shite. She declawed one cat, then realized it was wrong. Her later cats are declawed, but she adopted them from shelters as senior cats, some with medical needs. I figure it’s a fair trade off.

  237. 237.

    Anne Laurie

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    And no, Vermont, no goodies for you until you rid us of the piece of shit.

    Pat Leahy’s still a good Senator (& from all reports a gentleman).

    If you’re that angry at Sanders, you can look forward to Al Giordano’s run against him in 2018. Seriously — as Giordano points out, losing a presidential run seriously damages a politician’s hometown credit, even when it’s not the candidate’s fault they got skunked. Somebody is going to run against Bernie in 2018, and it’s not gonna be fun for the old man.

  239. 239.

    randy khan

    @Feathers: We have ended up with a couple of declawed cats via the older cat adoption route, and never would declaw a cat.

    That said, the vets know what they’re talking about – people really will euthanize cats if they can’t declaw them. Someone who would do that is a terrible person, but I don’t want to make believe it won’t happen, and it’s nearly impossible to figure out ahead of time whether a person adopting a cat would do such an awful thing.

  240. 240.

    Soylent Green

    I did my Oregon voting three weeks ago when my ballot came. National mail-in voting is probably the only way the US can prevent voter suppression by one party.

  241. 241.

    nutella

    @Elie:

    I think Trump can destroy Trump. He cannot look weak to his followers. Its just figurin which set up to get him there and unable to escape. He’s never had this much attention or opportunity to screw up by the number of balls in the air. For him, it will be weakness… looking lame, having to back down

    I dunno. He’s backed down about lots of things already and none of his voters have cared. Like minimum wage, about which he’s said it should go up, down, and be turned over to the states all within 24 hours.

    So no, changing his mind/backing down is not a problem for Trump.

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