Clinton: I will listen to Sanders "when he's ready to talk" https://t.co/YeusnFHikQ pic.twitter.com/Qgaw1kfMwW
— The Hill (@thehill) May 22, 2016
Despite Chuck Toad’s best efforts (‘Polls. Polls? Polls! Soundbites! But — polls!’), in my opinion today’s Meet the Press was actually a good show for Hillary Clinton (‘Votes. Work. Votes, votes, work, VOTE.’).
Transcript of the interview here. First question:
CHUCK TODD: Is Bernie Sanders now helping Donald Trump?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Oh, I don’t think so. I think that Senator Sanders has every right to finish off his campaign however he chooses. I do think there will then be the obvious need for us to unify the party. I faced the same challenge in 2008. I will certainly do my part, reaching out to Senator Sanders, reaching out to his supporters. And I expect him to do his. And he said about a week ago, he was going to spend seven days a week trying to defeat Donald Trump. And I believe that’s the case… (after Todd rephrases the same question) I’m not going to negotiate with [the Sanders campaign] today on your show. I’m going to say when it’s time, I am reaching out to do my part to try to unify the party. I expect him to do the same. I did that when I lost a much closer race to Senator Obama. Because I knew that whatever our differences were, just as whatever our differences are between me and Senator Sanders, they pale in comparison to Donald Trump and the Republicans. And I think most of Senator Sanders’ supporters understand that as well.
Later, in response to Todd asking if she’d accept Mark Cuban as her VP…
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I am absolutely intending to look far and wide. And I think that is the best way to find somebody who can really capture what’s needed in the country, and businesspeople have, especially successful businesspeople who are really successful as opposed to pretend successful, I think have a lot to offer.
CHUCK TODD: Pretend successful? You don’t think–
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Yeah.
CHUCK TODD: –is there anything Donald Trump’s done that you think should be praised?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I think he needs to release his tax returns. The only two we have show that he hasn’t paid a penny in taxes. And yet he goes around talking about “Make America great.” You know? That means paying for our military. That means paying for our roads. That means paying for the V.A. That means a lot of things. And if you’ve got someone running for president who’s afraid to release his tax returns, because it will expose the fact that he pays no federal income tax, I think that’s a big problem.
CHUCK TODD: No, my question was there’s nothing about his background that is praiseworthy?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: We’ll find out. Because we have to get below the hype. We have to find what the reality is…
HRClinton 2016. Because somebody needs to be the grown-up.
gogol's wife
Todd is such an ass. Why the hell should she be praising Donald Trump? When is he going to praise her for anythng?
joel hanes
I’m trying to thing of even one thing in Trump’s background that’s praiseworthy, and coming up blank.
Anyone ? …. Bueller ?
(Some of my R friends used to challenge me to say something, anything positive about W. I had two: he’s very fit, and the Pacific marine reserves he established are a Very Good Thing.)
MikeBoyScout
Voter registration is the first step. Somebody not too distant from you is not yet registered to vote in the November election. Help them out.
If we all do our little bit we can win the whole kit and caboodle.
Yes.We.Can
quakerinabasement
Praiseworthy… Let’s see…He figured out it was time to shut up about the birth certificate?
gogol's wife
By some miracle, the Times published a good op-ed on Hillary.
Elie
Hillary is the real deal and her organization (what I have seen close up at the boots on the ground level), is first rate. Her people have been sharp and prepared and I am going to help them do this important thing. As for the fat shlump Trump, no, I can’t think of anything good about him. He is breathing way too much air, eating too much and taking up too much room for a gigantic turd. You know what will feel delicious to me? Watching that fat, ugly face cry bitter tears and get all swollen up.
Baud
.
Yes, Chuck, she’s talking about you.
pat
I simply do not understand why she is viewed as a flawed, ineffectual candidate. Every time I see or hear her, she sounds prepared, speaks in complete sentences, makes a hell of a lot of sense, and one can actually imagine her as President.
Schlemazel Khan
@joel hanes:
He has never, as far as we know, strangled a hooker while having sex with one.
He has not actually taken candy from a baby
He has not supported armed rebellion against the US government
He has not exposed himself to children in Central Park
Thats just off the top of my head, there may be other things as least as praise-worthy.
redshirt
@joel hanes: He was in the 1994 Little Rascals movie…..
redshirt
@pat: Because Whitewater Blowjobs Vince Foster Lesbian Benghazi Etc…. I.E. Republican propaganda.
They may not know how to govern, but they know propaganda.
schrodinger's cat
He criticized Bush II for the mess in Iraq and did not give him a pass on 9/11 attacks.
NotMax
Gawd, I detest hashtags.
@Elie
Goodly number here have an intimate relationship with avoirdupois. Just sayin’.
LAO
@Schlemazel Khan: you have set a very high bar for Mr. Trump.
Just One More Canuck
@Schlemazel Khan: it would be irresponsible not to speculate
Schlemazel Khan
@schrodinger’s cat:
I assume that is sarcasm since he was fine with it until it became obvious Boy Blunder had screwed the pooch
LanceThruster
And he needs to release the tranacripts of his Wall Street speeches too…no, wait.
Bernie or Bust!
A Ghost To Most
@Schlemazel Khan:
He seems very devoted to the opposum on his head
zzyzx
He prevented President Cruz, so there’s that.
schrodinger's cat
@Schlemazel Khan: I don’t like DT and think he is thoroughly unqualified for the job. Having said that I did like the he criticized Bush’s Iraq debacle and the claims that Bush kept us safe. Both things that MSM is loathe to admit even to this date.
mike in dc
He’s done a fantastic job mobilizing Latinos to register to vote.
Punchy
@redshirt: You dont win elections on policy, you win on propaganda. (HUGE) Advantage GOP.
Ian
Someone has to be the adult.
Fun statement, thanks for mocking my firmly held political beliefs. AL, you know that most Sander’s supporters (other than vocal internet trolls) are going to vote for HRC. So why do you nightly choose provoke your friends and allies and lump us in with these above said trolls?
Elie
@NotMax:
Ok — got it… apologies — Just so you know, if he was skinny and ugly I would say his skinny, ugly ass. He is ugly. Outside and most importantly inside. Unfortunately, there are quite a few people around him like that too.
Schlemazel Khan
@zzyzx:
That is a mixed blessing. The GOP will very quickly deny Drumpf once he loses. Crudz would have been much more one of theirs without plausible deniability; Cruz would have been much more devastating to the GOP than Drumpf.
Poopyman
@Schlemazel Khan: He seems very attached to his daughter.
schrodinger's cat
OT Open House Update
The good:
Price
Size
Finished basement
Updated masterbath
The bad:
Messy yard
Outdated kitchen with rickety cabinets
Not enough light in some of the rooms.
The search continues..
redshirt
@joel hanes: Great first pitch in that first baseball game after 9/11.
Schlemazel Khan
@schrodinger’s cat:
I get that but Drumpf didn’t ding Boy Blunder on those issues until it was obvious to all but the kool-aide drunk morons. I can’t give him a full pass on that. Id he better on this issue than say Crudz or Krusty? Sure but THAT is a really low bar.
Omnes Omnibus
From the New Yorker.
Roger Moore
@pat:
25 years of Republican smears will do that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Praiseworthy from Trump…? In the late nineties he saw past the right wing propaganda on late-term abortion, which put him a step ahead of Mr Mary Metalin. In 2009 he supported Keynesian economics, and even after his birther breakdown he supported Obama on common sense gun control
href=”#comment-5815007″>redshirt: @joel hanes: He was in the 1994 Little Rascals movie…..
for a minute I thought you meant Chuck….
BD of MN
@Poopyman:
Family Values!!!
japa21
@Ian: What makes you think she was even alluding to Sanders? Obviously, it is Clinton vs Trump. There is no other option. Of the two, who is the adult?
schrodinger's cat
How much would it cost to put a gas stove top and replace the electric stove top.
redshirt
@Ian: Are you a Sanders troll? If not, no worries.
WarMunchkin
That’s a pretty bad headline from The Hill.
To my eyes/ears, the difference between the headline and the quote is sharp.
lamh36
hello…is this thing on?
so I got a new router/midterm last week and now it appears I can’t post to BJ from my Apple devices when I am logged into my home wifi…
what gives..,.
Schlemazel Khan
@Poopyman:
Like Oedipus admired his mother! Family values all the way!!
A Ghost To Most
@Ian:
Where the fuck did that come from? Nobody, from AL down, was talking about BS. It was about tRump. BS is no longer part of the discussion.
NorthLeft12
Chuck Todd somehow tries to portray himself as some kind of disinterested observer, but his constant sucking up to the Donald is shameless. I am not sure why Dems give Todd any access at all. He should be treated like Fox News, a propaganda arm of the Republican party.
AnotherBruce
True story, I’ve got a Bernie or bust friend. It’s a work friend and he’s constantly bringing up the fact that I’m a Hillary supporter at work. I don’t normally like to talk politics at work and I made a mistake by doing this (although he started it) My little project is to at least talk him down from being a BOB. He’s younger than me, in his late 20s or early 30s and I’m pushing 60. He says he hates and can’t vote for Hillary. I’ve pointed out to him that 30 years of right wing propaganda agrees with him. He’s an intelligent and actually fun dude to talk to. It’s just this glaring blind spot, partially why I’m bringing this up is because it’s a fairly common situation. He is also very delusional about Bernie’s chances. Any thoughts on how to approach this?
Lamh36
testing…1,2,3 wifi off…
ETA: hmmm tried to post with wifi on and nope… didn’t work
Jim, Foolish Literalist
is he specific about what he hates so much?
@lamh36: @Lamh36: I see your posts
Patricia Kayden
“CHUCK TODD: –is there anything Donald Trump’s done that you think should be praised?”
Has Toad ever asked Trump if there was anything praiseworthy about Secretary Clinton? Or does he just save these type of asinine questions for Democrats? What a stupid question.
hovercraft
@schrodinger’s cat:
He’s criticizing him now but at the time he was praising the invasion. Just as he was on the sidelines criticizing Obama for not getting rid of that tin can dictator a few years ago. So no that is not praiseworthy. Ant momentarily positive moment is always preceded or succeeded by a bad one.
Patricia Kayden
@AnotherBruce: It must be nice to be a White cisgender male who will suffer zero consequences if Trump becomes President. Must really be nice. Millions of Americans don’t have that luxury.
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Good article, but the GOP’s “weird kind of pity” referred to in the first paragraph was directed toward themselves, not to Trump’s followers. They’re too self-involved to give a crap about anyone other than themselves.
lamh36
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: those post are all from when I turn off my home wifi…
when I’m on wifi there is no post
zzyzx
@Schlemazel Khan: However that also means that Cruz ’20 is more likely which should be another free win!
lollipopguild
@joel hanes: He had an amazing ability to destroy the other GOP candidates. They went down one by one and some of them-Jeb! went a lot quicker than I thought they would.
FlipYrWhig
@AnotherBruce: If the basis is the Iraq War authorization, acknowledge that she got it wrong but that the approach to war and peace in the Bill Clinton years or when she was Sec’y of State certainly wasn’t bellicose. If the basis is something something Wall Street, remind him that she represented the state that contains Wall Street and didn’t show any particular favoritism to Wall Street once in office. If he persists, he’s just a dick, move on.
hovercraft
@AnotherBruce:
Ask him what the most important things are for him, and then walk him through point by point through Trumps ever changing positions/ lies.
Also point out that the GOP has been calling Hilary a socialist for thirty years because of her liberal positions/ record.
Roger Moore
@schrodinger’s cat:
It depends on whether there’s a gas line to the location already. If there is, it’s basically the cost of the new stovetop. If not but there’s already gas on the premises, it would probably be a few hundred dollars. If there isn’t gas on the premises, it would be very expensive. As a practical alternative, I would recommend a modern induction cooktop. They combine the best features of gas and electric stoves; the only drawback is they only work with pots that you can stick a magnet to.
NotMax
@lamh36
But all of us can see you through the camera so much better when you’re on the wi-fi.
;)
redshirt
@Roger Moore: Gas stoves are a real plus when you lose power.
Schlemazel Khan
@Omnes Omnibus:
Best line of many great lines, because it is historically accurate and so relevant to our friends on the left
Roger Moore
@A Ghost To Most:
AL was talking about BS, at least in the first tweet she quoted. And that combined with the “somebody has to be the adult” could reasonably be construed as a dig at Bernie. This Clintonite thinks it’s a reasonable dig at Bernie, who has been acting like a spoiled child recently, but it is a dig.
Percysowner
Something praiseworthy about Donald Trump. “He hired a half decent caterer for his most recent wedding”?
Davis X. Machina
Hasn’t she suspended her campaign yet?
I mean after the Charleston gaffe, and the saying-nice-things-about-Nancy-Reagan gaffe, and Vennghazi! and Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane can’t she figure out she’s doomed? That plus being behind with real delegates, and real voters, that is.
Bernado! Unido! Jamas sera vencidos!
AnotherBruce
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Not really, although he did mention something a friend mentioned about Hillary starting the up the Kenyan birth certificate thing. By the way, holy shit, I just looked this up and it came from Breitbart. Here is a quote by Politifact about this. There is no record that Clinton herself or anyone within her campaign ever advanced the charge that Obama was not born in the United States. I think I need to sit with the guy over a beer and explain what happened with the Clintons in the 90’s. I’m also going to challenge him to read the two interviews in the New York Daily news. Compare Bernie’s interview with Clinton’s. I think the contrast is stark. I just hope the guy isn’t too far gone.
schrodinger's cat
@Roger Moore: No gas line, this out in the country, will have to get a propane tank.
Anonymous At Work
If Clinton can keep making comments like that about Trump, Bill might get bumped down to 5th in the batting order at taking whacks at Trump (Obama, Warren, Biden, Hillary, then Bill!). When Bill Clinton is batting 5th in your political lineup, that’s impressive.
NotMax
@redshirt
Don’t many new ones use electronic igniters in place of the pilot light?
Schlemazel Khan
@Roger Moore:
No, I think that tweet at the top is very separate from the rest which is all about the Drumpster fire. I could be wrong but then again it does not feel like it.
burnspbesq
@Ian:
Grow up. No one is mocking your firmly held political beliefs. We’re mocking the shitty vessel into which you’ve chosen to pour them this year, and the bizarre combination of sanctimonious assholes and naive kids you’re chose to associate with.
Show up with a viable candidate next time and you might get somewhere with your agenda.
rikyrah
I was just another reporter sent to cover radicalization in Minneapolis. Then 2 local Somalis took me on a tour
May 22, 2016
It wasn’t hard to see who the outsiders in the courtroom seemed to be. All the jurors were white, the prosecutors white, the FBI agents white. Most of the reporters were white, including me.
Mohamed … Abdihamid … Farah.
Adbirahman … Yasin… Daud.
Guled … Ali… Omar.
U.S. District Judge Michael J. Davis struggled as he announced the three Somali American defendants’ full names, pronouncing them phonetically from a criminal indictment as if he were a student of a new language.
Last week, opening arguments began in downtown Minneapolis in the trial of three local young men charged with plotting to travel to Syria and fight for the Islamic State, and I felt as if I was missing the full picture.
These weren’t foreigners, strangers, outsiders. These were hometown kids who went to local schools, now young men in their early 20s.
schrodinger's cat
@redshirt: You can also control the heat far better than the electric cook top, which I hate and have been stuck with for the past 4 years or so.
RSA
@joel hanes:
The same thing happened with me, and I was unable to come up with anything. But now I’d say his HIV/AIDS work in Africa. That was a pretty big thing, and it made the world a better place.
Schlemazel Khan
@Percysowner:
We really should start a list, this is getting to be something he could be proud of
Roger Moore
@redshirt:
The relevance of which depends greatly on how often you lose power. It’s not a big concern of mine because the power around here seems to be extremely reliable; I haven’t lost power for more than a few hours since moving to Pasadena 25 years ago. OTOH, I do have a propane camp stove in my emergency kit, so I’m not completely unprepared.
rikyrah
Jeffrey WrightVerified account
@jfreewright
Allegedly (per Zimmerman via BBC), a woman bought the gun used to kill Trayvon Martin for $250k as birthday gift to her son. #GiveMeStrength
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Schlemazel Khan:
As far as we know.
Yet, or openly. It’s one of the few things he seems to understand must be a dog whistle.
Again, as far as we know, though to be fair it is far less likely than his having taken candy from a baby.
AnotherBruce
@Patricia Kayden: Yes I’ve thought of that. It’s a huge disconnect with the Sandernistas, that minorities support Clinton. They will be paying the price if Trump gets elected. If you call yourself a Democrat, you have to be compassionate enough to realize this.
burnspbesq
@AnotherBruce:
Bring an extra box of Kleenex to work on 6/8. After NJ and CA, your friend’s going to need them.
Then be patient while he grieves.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@mike in dc:
The winning entry, in my view.
Poopyman
@Patricia Kayden: Since I fit that description, no, it won’t be nice, because this is my fucking country too.
AnotherBruce
@RSA: A smaller thing that was good was that Bush started the do not call list. It still works today but you have to update the request every so often.
Roger Moore
@AnotherBruce:
There’s a tiny scrap of truth buried in the lies about the birth certificate. The Obama campaign originally released it not in response to Republican questions about his citizenship but in response to rumors- supposedly started by Hillary supporters- that his middle name was actually Mohamed, not Hussein.
Villago Delenda Est
I can’t think of anything in Chuckles the Toddler’s background that is praiseworthy, either.
That’s just one of the reasons why he has such a low tumbrel manifest number.
AnotherBruce
@burnspbesq: Well I’ve been gently breaking that to him, but I still want to get him to vote for Hillary. But this reminds me to ask him what should he do if Bernie endorses Hillary?
RSA
@AnotherBruce: I didn’t know that. Thanks. Yes, that was a good thing, even if it’s not perfect; it’s a precedent.
Roger Moore
@NotMax:
You can still light them with a flame from a match or cigarette lighter.
El Caganer
@srv: Would this be the same Ben Domenech who rose to fame by plagiarizing from Doughy Pantload? I always thought that was a truly impressive achievement.
Schlemazel Khan
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
A good catch. I had thought that myself after it was too late to fix but you are 100% correct.
So, this is what I have so far:
He has never, as far as we know, strangled a hooker while having sex with one.
He has not, as far as we know, actually taken candy from a baby
He has not, as far as we know, supported armed rebellion against the US government
He has not, as far as we know, exposed himself to children in Central Park
He was in the 1994 Little Rascals movie
He seems very devoted to the opossum on his head
He prevented President Cruz, which some of us see as a positive
He’s done a fantastic job mobilizing Latinos to register to vote
He seems very attached to his daughter.
It has been reported he hired a half decent caterer for his most recent wedding
JPL
@AnotherBruce: My son recently said that Bern was right about the super delegates. I mentioned that it was unfortunate that the Bern signed onto the rules in place for thirty plus years, and changed his mind cuz he was losing. Someone earlier mentioned that California should change their rules about registering as a dem. When does this fine fellow, take responsibility for not notifying his supporters about important dates.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
wow he’s in deep, I didn’t buy that even at the height of the Great Poo Flinging of ’08, where I served in the MyDD theatre, pre-Strike.
(Remember the Strike?)
Roger Moore
@Schlemazel Khan:
But it isn’t all about Trump. The first quote is about when she’s going to talk to Bernie, and then there’s something about whether she’d accept Mark Cuban as her VP. The Trump stuff is only at the end.
Schlemazel Khan
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Certainly the winner for Hillary and the nation
Elie
@AnotherBruce:
I have a young colleague where I volunteer who is Bernie or Bust. I just try to keep the conversation positive — about how important that we have an open dialogue and that its most important to defeat Trump because…. Its hard cause she does not consider herself a democrat, but someone who was brought into the campaign by Bernie. I try to talk to her about taking those issues and activating them through supporting not only Bernie but downticket races where she can support the policies… Its a work in progress but I just try to get along with her on other parts of our relationship …so there is no added spillover from THAT at least…
burnspbesq
OT:
If you’re my age or a little older, you may remember a singer-songwriter named Emmit Rhodes. Signed a brutally oppressive contract with ABC/Dunhill, made two great records in 1970-71, and disappeared in a haze of litigation. Now, 45 years later, he’s back, and his new record, “Rainbow Ends,” is ridiculously good.
AnotherBruce
@Roger Moore: How supposed were those questions? I’m not dismissing them, just wondering if any names were named?
Frankensteinbeck
@AnotherBruce:
Wait two months. That’s not a joke. Give him time to not be emotionally invested in fighting a losing fight, and get distance he can use for objectivity.
Wapiti
In Drumph’s defense, as a young man he quickly recognized that the Viet Nam War was a horrible travesty that was just going to get more American men killed.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@RSA: That’s a good point; thanks. While I resented the abstinence spending requirement in those government programs, there were really positive achievements. And it was brave to be a GOP office holder and take those stands, though the “little babies don’t need to die from malaria,” probably was an easier sell to the IGMFY crowd.
NotMax
@Roger Moore
Not so with the countertop one Mom has (some European brand). A safety thingy kicks in to cut off the gas if the igniter isn’t operational.
Schlemazel Khan
@srv:
for sure! Child brides will be a real winner for Drumpf because he is the only candidate opposing it and such a YOOOOGE supporter of womens issues
dollared
@Roger Moore: Tin ear.. Listens mainly to DC and NY Media and politicians to define policy. Ignores all working people, of all origins except she now claims to like some black people even though she demonized them in word and deed all through the 90s and 2000s. Does not “get” that it is inconsistent with the values of the Democratic Party to support foreign military juntas in repressing the democratic desires of their citizens. claims Henry Kissinger as a friend. These are all really stupid things to do if you want to be a popular and effective national politician.
In sum, just because you sound smart does not mean you are a good politician or a good Democrat. That’s why everyone one BJ is so worried that Bernie will point this out, and so they urgently wish he would go away.
raven
The mate on the boat I was on today asked pretty early in the trip who I supported. I was truthful and said I didn’t like HIllary, she’ll bomb the shit out of the first thing that moves if she gets elected and there is no way I’d vote for Trump. His main argument was “if you like things the way they are that is who you should vote for.” It then was a laundry list of complaints about fishing regulations and the VA. When I told him I was a Vet and had no problem with the VA he seemed shocked. All he sees is vets begging on corners and Mexicans on welfare and getting prompt medical care! I had not intention os spending a deep seas fishing trip arguing about thus stuff so it pretty much died but it was a good glimpse of what’s happening, BTW this dude is a retired school teacher working the boats because he loves being on the water. Besides the political shit he was a great mate and really took care of the other people on the boat who were new to the deep sea thing.
NotMax
@burnspbesq
Wow, now that’s a real flash from the past.
Catchy tune of his from back in the day.
Adam L Silverman
@AnotherBruce: Just give him a copy of Conason’s The Hunting of a President. It’ll be easier on you.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: Had one of those for our place up in the mountains of NM. Was never an issue. We also had one of those insta-hot tankless gas fired water heaters, which was amazing!
Uncle Cosmo
@MikeBoyScout: You keep saying that. In every thread you can.
And you can’t (IMHO) say it often enough.
The stakes are too high for us not to get everyone we can registered & then to the polls. No matter what obstacles the Thugs throw in our way,
dollared
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): +1. Really wish she would have said it. Would have enjoyed the look on Chuckie’s face.
AnotherBruce
@FlipYrWhig: Those are probably the two most Hillary opponents quote. But you’re basically right about the 90’s Clintons. It was mostly peace and prosperity. With a lot of right wing attacks.
WaterGirl
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AnotherBruce
@Frankensteinbeck: That’s good advice. Although I get the vibe that I should wait until after the convention to go that route.
StellaB
@schrodinger’s cat: I second the induction cooktop. They are just as controllable as gas. Plus, the propane doesn’t embody as much energy as natural gas, so the propane cooktops aren’t quite as powerful as natural gas. Also, the propane always runs out when you’re cooking for a party. Somehow it knows.
When we moved into this house, I didn’t think twice about putting in an induction unit like I had in my old house. My parents did the same thing when they moved. They took out a gas cooktop both times. It’s so much more comfortable to cook with induction vs. an old-fashioned open flame. Easier to clean too.
Honus
@schrodinger’s cat: a 100 gallon propane tank will run a cooktop for a year if you cook every day.
Honus
@NotMax: yes, but you can also light the burners with a match.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: A few questions:
Which of these devices have the problem posting with wi-fi? A mac computer? an iPhone? an iPad?
Can you get to balloon juice from all your apple device?, You can get to BJ jut can’t compose a comment, or you can get to BJ and type in a comment but nothing happens when you press post?
Do you know if you are set up to use static IP addresses for wireless or DHCP?
Is it just a BJ problem or do you have issues with other websites?
J R in WV
@schrodinger’s cat:
IF there’s gas service to the house, peanuts compared to the cost of a house. One of the most expensive brands (Thermador) runs from $1500 up to about $4000. Install, that depends on your location too much for someone from away to make a guess.
If the house doesn’t have gas service, that’s a whole ‘nother ball game. Plumbing etc for propane would be a project.
smith
I think that people will work through the grief process in time to do the right thing in Nov. Several of our resident passionate Bernistas have been mellowing, accepting the now-obvious outcome and discussing some realistc ways to build on the surprising success of Bernie’s message. Last night even Johnathan Livingston Hollandaise-Bechamel seemed to be moving into the bargaining phase…
Tom Q
@dollared: ” Ignores all working people, of all origins except she now claims to like some black people even though she demonized them in word and deed all through the 90s and 2000s.”
I’m going to give you benefit of doubt and assume you’re plug-ignorant. Because that is as bald-faced a lie as I’ve seen anyone post here in some time.
Emma
@dollared: You know, your version of AA’s lives under Clinton is oddly different than their own. Go figure.
gogol's wife
@Omnes Omnibus:
This is a good passage: “He’s not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn’t. But then Hitler wasn’t Hitler—until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance.”
Shantanu Saha
@srv: You should be very careful about mentioning “useful idiots” in your comments here.
ThresherK
@RSA: It’s the one unalloyed thing. However, one great novelty hit won’t get a band into the rock and roll HoF.
Mary G
DT doesn’t completely demonize Planned Parenthood and he does sometimes demonize Bush/Cheney. That debate with Jeb! was awesome.
Walker
@Tom Q
This is borderline racist revisionism created by the Bernie campaign. His supporters have been pushing this lie for a long time.
Uncle Cosmo
@Roger Moore: Get one of those butane lighters with a long schnozz for lighting charcoal grills, keep it in a safe place handy to the range, & yer still cooking (& for that matter, heating) when the juice is out. I’ve got one in a kitchen drawer that I bought in a dollar store.
Patricia Kayden
@MikeBoyScout: Yes we can and Yes we better! No Trump!
@Wapiti: So he used his privilege as a rich kid to avoid serving in Vietnam. How neat!
AnotherBruce
@Adam L Silverman: Never read it, But i remember Joe Conason. Wonder what he’s up to these days?
debbie
I don’t know who this Nora person is who’s interviewing Valerie Jarrett on 60 Minutes, but she’s a total bitch. She must be angling for a job with Fox.
JMG
Hillary Clinton, through no fault of her own, is every disappointment every white man over 35 has ever suffered in his life. It’s a very high bar to carry.
Applejinx
@smith: Really? Huh. The real question is how hard Hillary wants to go after co-opting us and having us become as dogmatically loyal as the black vote. ‘cos that didn’t happen for nothing, it apparently was earned.
It would be a nice tactical move, even strategic. Nail down the Millennial vote and her legacy is assured.
Schlemazel Khan
@debbie:
I just sent them an email. That was the most offensive interview I have ever seen on 60 Minutes. It was a joke
Roger Moore
@AnotherBruce:
From the Wikipedia article (which has some details I hadn’t remembered):
So there were questions about his citizenship during the primary and not just about his name.
Trapped in Ohio
@srv:
You’re such a fucking piece of shit.
JMG
@Applejinx: What DO you want? I mean, policy that isn’t fantasyland? Otherwise, II put you in the “my life disappoints me” school of American voter.
Ultraviolet Thunder
Praiseworthy thing about about Trump?
Hmmm… He’s the best thing that the Democratic Party could have inflicted on the GOP. The damage will go on for years.
smith
@Applejinx: Not thinking about Hillary’s future so much as the future of the party. What Bernie has accomplished represents an opening for candidates with a more progressive agenda. The fact that millennials are enthusiastic about politics when it offers them something tangible will not, in my opinion, be overlooked by the party, and those more progressive candidates will find it easier to get the support, money, and most importantly, the credibility they need. If Bernie’s supporters stay the course they will eventually win.
Roger Moore
@StellaB:
This. I have never had an easier stove to clean than my induction range. It’s smooth top, and it only heats up because there’s a hot pot sitting on it, so food splatters never burn on. You just wipe it off, maybe use a little bit of the glass-top stove cleaner if there’s a particularly stubborn stain, and you’re good to go.
redshirt
@Villago Delenda Est: I can! Before Obama clinched the nomination in 2008, conservative media was very pro-Obama. Drudge is the best example, but an up and coming Chuck Todd is another great example. As an early adopter Obot I initially loved Chuck Todd. Until I figured out how the game works.
redshirt
@smith: The fact that Bernie himself has done absolutely nothing to help fellow travelers says everything one should need to know about Bernie.
gwangung
@smith: a lot of the pushback Appkejinx gets IMHO is for the positions he used to have, but not the ones he’s developed into.
Sorta like how a lot Of Sanders supporters treat Zcljnton.
ThresherK
@redshirt: conservative media was very pro-any Democrat in second place.
redshirt
@ThresherK: Agreed. Thus, Bernie’s great personality ratings.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@debbie: O’Donnell? late of MSNBC? I remember her indignant interview with Cindy Sheehan, that CS would dare take on our very popular president! Beyond the fact that his alleged popularity was supposed to insulate him from questions about his war, Bush was in the mid-40s and declining at the time.
I’m confident she’ll sign all the super-progressive legislation Bernie! gets passed after all you mill-youngs apparate on Mitch McConnell’s lawn. Don’t forget to hold some giant puppets in reserve to caper about Claire McCaskill’s and Joe Manchin’s houses.
Baud
@raven:
I think she’s likeable enough.
Elie
@JMG:
And every envy of a lot of white women — she overcame what they couldn’t. Black women completely understand her. Their old man not quite doing it at home but carrying it on anyway and protecting the home, the kids and the name (the brand with head up and no shame. Fuck YEAH!
Baud
@Roger Moore:
Hmmmm.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I don’t know Kaczynski, but I’m glad to see some pushback against a talking point I’m guessing we’re going to be seeing/hearing a lot this week.
Roger Moore
@ThresherK:
I think conservative media is rabidly, reflexively anti-Clinton more than anything. They really do suffer from CDS that goes beyond their reflexive dislike for everything the Democrats do.
JPL
@Baud: Me, too.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yes, that’s her. She was rude, she interrupted, and she practically accused Jarrett of forcing most of Obama’s inner circle out. O’Reilly-style behavior.
redshirt
@Baud: I understand that reference!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@debbie: I follow politics pretty closely, quite a bit of right wing jibber-jabber oozes on to my radar, I am aware of many Villager tropes about Obama… I have never for the life of me understood how/why Valerie Jarrett got built up into such a closet-monster among the ‘wingers and those inclined to share their obsessions.
Fair Economist
@shomi:
Obviously she learned something from her years in the South.
smith
@redshirt: Haven’t some of his supporters been organizing to help Senate candidates in pivotal races? Even the effort to primary DWS is worth supporting, not because she “rigged” the presidential primary, but because her politics are loathsome. And there are more DINOs, some in very safe blue seats, who could use the same. This is what I meant in my original comment — some Bernistas are looking at realistic ways to build on what has been started this year.
dww44
@debbie:@Schlemazel Khan:
I came upstairs specifically to weigh in on that interview. I’ve long known where Nora O’Donnell’s sympathies lie (she’s a co-host on their weekday Morning show) but her line of questioning tonight and her tone were simply out of line. Jarrett kept her cool and never got angry and pushed back in the nicest possible way.
I hope that someone will post a link to it and maybe even front-page the whole interview. O’ Donnell kept pushing the meme that it’s Obama’s fault that Republicans haven’t gone to White House social events and that relations between him and the Congress are so frosty specifically because of Obama? The expression in her eyes when she made those statements gave her game away. I mean, what has that woman been drinking?
I am really pissed and I hope that more of you will watch the interview in its entirety and will weigh in with 60 Minutes. Perhaps we ought to copy the President of CBS News on our emails of complaint. I might even go to the trouble of mailing that person a written letter of complaint.
I do not recall anyone on 60 Minutes or in the MSM treating Condoleezza Rice like that in the last year of GWB’s Presidency? If she got grilled like that, I don’t recall it.
lollipopguild
@Elie: She strikes me as a actual human being whom I can relate to as opposed to almost all Repthugs who I cannot and will not relate to. The same for her husband Bill and out secret Mooslim terroist Prez. Give me a real person warts and all.
RK
Clinton can come off as imperious and humorless. Incessant Republican bashing and sexism are not by themselves the cause of her likeability problem.
Adam L Silverman
@AnotherBruce: He and Gene Lyons are still doing their thing. Lyons, I think, still in Little Rock and Conason is, I think, at the National Memo.
redshirt
It’s weird but I’ve liked Hillary more and more every year since the Sinbad saga. It’s all been up ever since.
Like, I genuinely like her now. She gets it. That’s so important.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: Yup, The Hunting of the President should be required reading this election season.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@RK:
Well, she suffers by comparison to Bill, who could charm the pants…who could charm the birds out of the trees.
It’s a high bar. I’d rather have someone tough and serious as president even if she’s harder to warm up to as a candidate.
Yutsano
@RK: [citation needed]
Roger Moore
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
She’s a powerful black woman. That’s unforgivable to wingnuts.
Technocrat
@RK:
We already elected a guy you could have a beer with. I’d rather not have that as a criterion.
gwangung
@Roger Moore: Threatening to a lot of other people, too, despite their surface declarations.
SRW1
@srv:
Dude that’s the results of the votes cast on election day. There’s about 800,000 absentee votes still to be counted on Monday (approx 14% of all votes cast).
Absentee voting from the first ballot round suggests that Höfer will likely have a smaller share than his opponent, such that current projections have the two candidates most probably separated by a few hundred votes and the result too close to call.
Thanks anyway for spreading your usual misinformation BS.
schrodinger's cat
I was an Obot in 08 and I like Hillary because she learns from her mistakes. She is tough and she is a survivor. She may not be the cuddliest person but she is formidable and smart.
lollipopguild
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: They have to create monsters where none exist.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Sweet Christ, I remember Katie Couric’s puff piece, I can still hear Couric’s voice near breathless with admiration: “This lady is scary smart, and hates disorder…” Iraq was pretty much completely in flames as it aired
Good ol’ Media Matters, this was in September, 2006, and it was 60 Minutes
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Do you smell rodent copulation?
ETA: In 2008, Republicans really, really wanted to run against Obama, rather than the Hilbeast.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat:
Cuddly comes in around 113,608 on the list of qualities I want in a president.
aimai
@AnotherBruce: That is absolutely a strong belief of the bernie people–people say it over at Kos all the fucking time and I haven’t bothered to challenge them because how can you prove a negative?
SRW1
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
In a somewhat related topic, The Guardian and The Independent have several articles today that the report of the Chilcott inquiry into Britain’s participation in the Iraq war will come out at the beginning of July and will absolutely slaughter Tony Blair and Jack Straw.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: I’d put cuddly about 63. It’s important, but not critical.
Ex. Barack Obama is like a 1% on the cuddly scale. W. ranks fairly high too unfortunately.
dww44
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Thanks for posting that link. And here’s one to tonight’s Jarrett Interview.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-white-house-aid-valerie-jarrett-obama/
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
But it’s pretty high on the list with my cocker spaniel.
Yutsano
A little cheer for Betty Cracker and other Floridian Juicers.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: @Schlemazel Khan: Most likely Nora O’Donnell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_O%27Donnell
aimai
@Applejinx: Jeezus christ are you still pretending that Hillary hasn’t offered the millenials everything that Bernie has and a warm embrace to boot? There’s basically zero difference between their platforms, no matter how much the enormous narcissism of small differences implies otherwise.
patroclus
Justin Trudeau is cuddly.
Omnes Omnibus
@BillinGlendaleCA: And I bet formidable and smart aren’t really high on that list.
SRW1
@Yutsano:
Maybe lil’ Marco has a good reason after all why he isn’t running for his Senate seat again.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Mine too, otherwise I would want Yogi kitteh to be Purrsident!
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Now you tell me.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
In fairness, I misremembered O’Donnell’s interview with Cindy Sheehan, July 2006
she was a good substitute for Tweety back then, who was still in his “sunny nobility” phase
starscream
BoB millenials don’t care that Hillary has proposals that help them; for them, it’s as personal as it is for the Republicans. (I am a millenial who was ambivalent until Bernie started discounting every state that he lost for a new reason each time.) St. Bernard established himself as the only honest guy in Washington, which of course is false and five minutes of Googling would reveal his utter hypocrisy. But once he convinced new voters of that, it amplified the media/Republican/Bernie smears on her personal characteristics. I don’t know how he walks it back from there.
El Caganer
@Yutsano: Christ, it sounds like FL voters don’t like anybody. Curious what I’ll find when I move down there later this year.
Adam L Silverman
@dww44: The head of CBS news is Les Moonves. This is what he had to say about Donald Trump:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-moonves-snap-htmlstory.html
He is not going to care. He wants as much controversy as he can get because it generates revenue.
Bobby Thomson
@Ian: I don’t think she’s saying you’re acting like a child. She’s saying Sanders is acting like a child. Because he is.
Adam L Silverman
@SRW1: Yep. They are considering, even before the report is released, impeaching Blair in retrospect. They are not amused about this.
Helen
@Baud: Yeah I am a bitch and a cynic – decided to really own it – but I am likeable enough. I can haz a cabinet position? While living in Dublin, mind you?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: and I believe the current head of their news division is a FoxNews alumnus
dww44
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, maybe so. But my read of this is that O’Donnell was defending GWB and taking Sheehan to task. It also shows that O’Donnell’s line of quesitoning is designed to get to a conclusion that she’s pre-ordained. In this case that Sheehan was trashing GWB, when Sheehan explained that she wasn’t trashing him, just his foreign policy..
Tonight she wouldn’t grant any credence to Jarrett’s assertiion that the frosty relations between Obama and Republicans were the result of the GOP’ers fear of the ire of their constituents. Just skated right over it. She decides what she believes and then telegraphs that belief to the viewer, no matter what the subject of her interview says. She has no objectivity.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wouldn’t surprise me. Once a member of the Village, always a member of the Village.
Roger Moore
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I’ll keep that in mind during the next primary for your cocker spaniel.
dww44
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks. I think I will still weigh in with him. Maybe he should be made to work hard for that bonus that he’s gonna make from upping the once proud News division’s ratings.
SRW1
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m a little sceptical that they will go as far as impeaching Blair, but the way the Torrie civil war about the Brexit referendum is going, I could see Cameron conclude that a distraction is needed.
redshirt
Can someone give a Brexit quick summary?
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: How can a Prime Minister be impeached? Usually in a parliamentary system a government loses power if it loses the vote of confidence.
Yutsano
@SRW1: I think he thought he couldn’t fail, he could only be failed.
@El Caganer: It looks like a bit of a bloodbath for politicians in general. Having said that, it is still only May. Way too soon for things to have any kind of shape.
Baud
@Helen:
You came a long way for the NYC meetup.
rikyrah
@Schlemazel Khan:
How bad was it
lollipopguild
@Baud: Baud!2016 as cuddly as you want/need him to be.
J R in WV
@NotMax:
Yes, they do, but you can still use a match for the stove top taps. Ovens are a problem without power. I finally gave up and had whole house backup power installed, Generac generator with an automatic transfer system, after years or doing it with just a generator and extension cords. It runs on natural gas.
We’re at the very end (3 houses past us) of a power run into the country, so we’re last to get restored after a weather disaster. That’s OK, we expect down lines that affect hundreds of people to get done first.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Not even eyebrow raising, especially given that John McCain is in a potentially close race (don’t want to oversell that, but I think it’s possible)
redshirt
If only we could harness the energy of cuddles.
Bobby Thomson
They didn’t call her Noron O’Donnell for nothing.
raven
Hang on, I’m processing some nice sunset shots I took in RAW.
Helen
@redshirt: The UK wants to leave the European Union. The amalgamation of the Western European countries. They never joined the Eurozone (those that have the euro as their currency). They kept the pound and good on them. The worst of the depression passed them by. But now they wanna leave it all. I am not an economist. Can’t say what will happen.
ETA: Brexit is short for Britian Exit.
Adam L Silverman
@SRW1: I am too, seems a little bit of barn door after the horse. But I read interviews with several MPs and they were furious and talking about this retroactive impeachment.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: As in the other EU countries, there is a push on by a vocal minority that being in the EU is not doing anything for Britain and, is in fact, actually a net negative for Britain. This has been pushed, after decades of hemming and hawing – at times by members of the Conservative Party itself – to a popular referendum. The major Euro-skeptic party is the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), which is nativist, anti-continental European, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, and is being partially funded, as are all the other neo-Nationalist and anti-EU parties and movements by the Putin government.
redshirt
@Helen: Sorry, I get all that. I meant more the arguments of each side. For example, on this side of the pond I can’t see any good reason for the UK to leave one of the largest trade areas on Earth. One in which they already have oversized influence.
Jack the Second
I know he’s getting up there in years, but has anyone thrown Barney Frank’s name around for the VP slot?
Helen
@Baud: Oh no sweetie. I will be in Dublin in November of this year. Surely you can make me part of your cabinet as an ex-pat. Yes? Truly I am a bitch. I promise.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: She’s got a viscous bark, but her tail wags at the same time.
J R in WV
@dollared:
So you are talking about Trump… aren’t you? You don’t say a name, but all you say sounds like him to me. Doesn’t care about people, gets all his information from the NYC news media, etc. Must be Trump.
Right?
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat:
http://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/impeachment/
Obsolete or not, it is being talked about:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-iraq-war-chilcot-inquiry-report-alex-salmond-move-to-impeach-a7031766.html
http://www.newsweek.com/british-mps-seeking-impeach-tony-blair-chilcot-report-460213
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-move-to-impeach-blair-over-iraq-war-dhxp7hbt2
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/jeremy-corbyn-chilcot-report-will-reveal-blair-and-bush-did-secr/
The traditional method of British political execution: hanged from the neck until mostly dead, then drawn and quartered by tying the limbs one each to four different horses and being pulled apart, then sever the head, with the severed head placed on a pike at Traitor’s Gate and the other body parts distributed around the country on display as a warning to others to never commit the same offenses again!
JPL
@dww44: Thanks for the link. I thought Jarrett did great up against MSM..
In fact there is an overtime, that is at the same link that is pretty good.
SRW1
@redshirt:
Brexit summary:
Usually well-informed circles, Guardian journalist cough, cough, think that the Brexiteers have lost the economic argument, which is in line with survey results saying that even Tory voters now slightly favor Bremain. It’s quite possible, though, that participation might be low and given that the most likely group to stay home are young people (who in their majority support Bremain) anything may still happen. The tone among pro and contra Brexit Tories is pretty nasty and one of the Tory-supporting Guardian columnists today had a piece speculating about what Cameron might do to Boris Johnson, the ex-London mayor clown who is heading the Brexit campaign and has given Cameron names Tories usually reserve for Labour types.
ETA: The main argument of the Brexiteers is that they are enslaved by Brussels and will only regain sovereignty by leaving the EU. In reality, a significant portion seem to be little Englanders who can’t get over the fact that Britania doesn’t rule the waves any more. Oh, and Boris Johnson became a Brexiteer because he hopes that Cameron will have to resign if he loses the referendum such that Boris in all his majesty can become PM.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: She’s only nine, so ineligible for any elected office.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks. This is the explanation I was looking for.
J R in WV
@StellaB:
No, propane is higher energy than natural gas, and burns a little cleaner. Factories pay extra for industrial gas if it’s higher in propane, and gets the oven/furnace/whatever hotter and faster. This is why when you install a stove built for natural gas for use with propane you have to install smaller orifaces for the burners of both the taps and the oven, which isn’t rocket science, but is a pain, even with good directions.
redshirt
@SRW1: Thanks!
Germy Shoemangler
from the washington post:
JPL
Watch the CBS overtime with Jarrett.. link and compare the two videos.. I wonder who pieced the interview together.
Helen
@redshirt: Was about to say “dunno maybe you can ask Adam”. And there you go.
raven
Here ya go, the sun sets way further Southwest so we don’t see the sun directly.
J R in WV
@Baud:
Yeah, Roger, “Anonymous emails” from who, again? How do we know they were from Clinton supporters, if they were anonymous, again?
Thanx!
Good point, baud.
Major Major Major Major
Somebody put a Jurassic Park car on my street
Barry
@Schlemazel Khan: “That is a mixed blessing. The GOP will very quickly deny Drumpf once he loses. Crudz would have been much more one of theirs without plausible deniability; Cruz would have been much more devastating to the GOP than Drumpf.”
They would deny Cruz just as badly.
I don’t give a rat’s *ss how they whine when they lose, so long as they lose.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: It may also be the big bad in Phase IV of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Can’t say for sure!
J R in WV
@RK:
Actually, most people can come off as unfriendly at times, even you, RK.
Regarding Hillary Clinton, I’m sure she can come off a little hostile, especially if one hates her to begin with.
BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: Nice.
ETA: There really are alot of advantages in shooting RAW.
amk
@RK: rrriiight. the guy who you can drink beer with is the ticket.
Roger Moore
@redshirt:
AFAIK, it’s the same basic reason that secessionists everywhere use: they aren’t in complete control of everything and sometimes have to accept decisions they don’t like. A huge part is that they tend to see and resent loss of their sovereignty that interferes with their interests, but they don’t see the interference with other member states’ sovereignty that benefits the UK. There’s also a completely unrealistic promise by the proponents that they’ll be allowed to keep the good parts of EU membership (e.g. all the trade treaties with non-EU members) when they leave.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore:
IOW, mental 2-year olds.
raven
@BillinGlendaleCA: I was just going to mention that. It really takes forever to load them into Lightroom and iPhoto doesn’t seem to want anything to do with them.
max
Hodor, man.
max
[‘Bummer.’]
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@shomi: Chuck Todd couldn’t buy a picture of a Buckeye Newshawk award
SFAW
@efgoldman:
What, do I have to walk across a carpeted floor, take off a sweater, and rub two cats together first, to build up enough of a static charge?
Because my hands don’t normally ignite flames on their own.
Or did you mean something else by “manually”?
amk
@shomi: or ted baxter.
Roger Moore
@shomi:
Don’t you mean “Chuck Toady”?
burnspbesq
Dodgers and Padres going to the 17th inning. Snicker.
J R in WV
@raven:
Outstanding, wonderful colors! Panama Beach? I forget where you said the one time.
Beautiful colors.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: I recommend bunnies instead of cats.
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW:
Bummer. “Cause it’s a pretty cool superpower.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@max: Fuck Game of Thrones. Drill a hole in the back of its skull, and fuck it in its skullhole.
[crawls away weeping]
patroclus
RIP Hodor (sob)
SFAW
@Germy Shoemangler:
I’d rather have Cuban than Dan Snyder, or Jeff Loria, or the Papa John’s asshole.
Gin & Tonic
@J R in WV: When we were remodeling the kitchen a few years ago and installing a gas stove/range, we had to specify the type of gas, and either the factory or the dealer made sure the range was right.
We put in propane just for this purpose. The install was easy due to the location of the kitchen and the tank. As someone said upthread, we use a lot less than 100 gallons per year.
Joel
@schrodinger’s cat: We bought a house with an outdated kitchen. If you go IKEA — specifically during their one a year kitchen sale (used to be twice), you can get everything but the floor — cabinets, appliances, countertops — for under 10K, with another 2K for installation. And that’s going with their mid-higher end stuff. Just something to keep in mind.
A kitchen remodel is a “big” project but it doesn’t need to cost $50K or whatever the trade associations will have you believe. On the other hand, anything with real electrical, plumbing, or carpentry involved gets expensive a lot faster than people think it will.
MomSense
Clinton is clearly the only candidate running who is qualified to be POTUS.
When Bill was running and while he was President, I always thought that she was by far the better of the two. Her 2008 campaign really turned me against her so it surprises me how much I like her now. In addition to running a much better campaign, it seems to me that she has learned to listen and in the process found her authentic voice.
I will be very proud to vote for her and so happy that I have the opportunity to vote for the first woman president after voting for the first black president. This is something to celebrate.
Happily a Hillzilla.
Jean
@debbie: I agree. But Valerie hit every question with a great answer. So that was good. “After 7 years, why can’t Obama get any cooperation from Republicans?” Good God. I don’t know how Jarrett kept from astral projecting.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Bunnies! Cute little bunnies?
Roger Moore
@SFAW:
I would rather not have- and sincerely doubt I will have- somebody who says he’s open to being VP for either party. It’s the kind of dumb idea radical centrists are always proposing.
Patricia Kayden
@pat: Agreed. Secretary Clinton is fine. She’ll be a great President. It’s amazing to me that anyone claiming to be Progressive could fathom that it’s alright to sit out the election and take the risk that Trump may win.
It’s unfair to compare the excitement generated by our current President with Secretary Clinton’s campaign. We’re probably not going to get another Obama candidate anytime soon.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Not much going on in Green Bay this time of year, I guess.
CaseyL
@max: @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: @patroclus:
Remember the motto of the show:
All MenEveryone you like must die.rikyrah
@Roger Moore:
Jarrett is pure Our Kind of People. Raised by two Black intellectuals who taught her to go through the front door with her head held high. They also know that Valerie is FLOTUS’ eyes and ears in the West Wing.
Germy Shoemangler
@Roger Moore: Especially one who complains HRC has been pushed “too far to the left” by Sanders. And Mark Cuban is a big Ayn Rand fan. He says he goes back and re-reads her novels
for inspiration.
I prefer he stay away from any elected office, thank you. The Rand fans have done enough damage.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: they’re less pointy.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@redshirt: That’s how I read your question – but that could be because I don’t understand the “for Brexit” position. The anti-Brexit position is kind of intuitive for me, since they kept the £ instead of adopting the €, which turned out to work to their advantage.
Major Major Major Major
Mark Cuban suuuucks soooo muuuuuch
Helen
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: Rut Roh. I don’t watch, but this looks serious.
But for real how’s my boyfriend Iggy?
SFAW
@Roger Moore:
“Better than” does not necessarily mean “good” or “good enough.” Didn’t say I’d want Cuban, only that I’d prefer him to any of those other three assholes (at least two of whom own sports teams).
smike
@JMG: “is every disappointment every white man over 35 has ever suffered in his life. It’s a very high bar to carry.”
And a very heavy load to clear, also, too. I love mixed metaphors!
HelloRochester
Just because many of the things Hillary is blamed for are fairy tales doesn’t mean they’re not massive political liabilities. She is not a great candidate and not an easy sell. If she is the nominee, congress will keep its current ratios and we will be deadlocked for at least two years and the wingnut welfare grifters will make crazy huge money. THAT’S how grown ups talk about this.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Helen: He’s right next to me, happily oblivious to this evening’s tragedy. He also needs a (sshhh) b-a-t-h.
Major Major Major Major
@HelloRochester: Who said we’re grown ups‽ I’ll punch him! Or her!
Omnes Omnibus
@HelloRochester:
Respectfully disagree for reasons that I have typed many, many times before.
BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: I use Photoshop. I got their $10/month photography plan.
SFAW
@CaseyL:
I’m hoping that, for the last show, they riff on “Monty Python and the Holy Grail,” and bring George R.R.R.R.R.R. Marrrrrrrtin in for a cameo, and then arrest his sorry ass for pointless mass murder. (Not that there’s ever a point to mass murder, of course.)
ETA: Although, I guess he could be considered a serial killer, not a mass murderer.
redshirt
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I dig. I’m just listening now, and hearing so much.
Adam L Silverman
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): They’re also not part of the Schengen Accords because they wanted control over their own immigration due to the Irish Troubles.
hedgehog mobile
@Omnes Omnibus: This.
Mike J
@Roger Moore: I have heard people complain that brexit sounds good because Camron is against it. I understand, but it’s moronic.
redshirt
Imagine a giant mirror around the sun, reflecting onto the energy collector plate.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: OTOH, One could argue that Brexit is a bad idea since Boris Johnson is for it.
Librarian
Well, there’s the Wollman Rink. But that’s all I can think of.
Helen
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: LOL well. I am in Queens, NY, not in GA. If you and Iggy are ever here I will happily give him a B-A-T-H. AND HE WILL LIKE IT!!!!
Kisses to him and Muppet.
marilynD Southern Oregon
It’s a little late to be adding this…but I just spent the day with my family of BernieBros celebrating my mother 96th birthday. My preacher-son shut the conversation down quickly as soon as my 73 year old sister started with the “she’s going to be indicted ANYDAY!!!!” bit….bless his pea-picking heart.
Hugely
@JMG: shit now I know why I feel so miserable…. lol…
Helen
@Omnes Omnibus: Speaking of Boris. Do you know if Eddie Izzard is still planning on running in 2020? I think he is.
Omnes Omnibus
@Helen: No idea.
redshirt
@marilynD Southern Oregon: Praise Bill!
WaterGirl
@Roger Moore: Are you still here?
Miss Bianca
What a strange affair this day has been. Hedged round with reminders of the singular terrors that come with the singular joys of life in the very isolated high country.
One of my stories has acquired a were-bear. I know not why or how: it just happened, and I am running with it. But the amount of time I’ve spent on it meant that it gave me a singular turn this morning, very early, when I heard my Siberian Husky, Luna, barking and barking in a way I’ve never heard before. Grasp, I’ve only ever heard her *barking* like a normal dog – as opposed to whoo-ing, yodeling, and howling – when there is some close encounter of the wildlife-y kind in the offing – and so the spring out of bed and run to the bedroom door, giving onto the outdoors, was informed by a tolerable certainty that there would be something. But Lord, that bear outside the bedroom door was *huge*- the biggest I have seen around these parts – could not be a grizzly, no, but black bears are usually so small and sort of cute! -and it looked large and hump-shouldered like a grizzly, crouching on the rocks above where Luna just stood barking, barking, her whole body bottle-brushy with hackles and defiance.
You know, there is a rifle by the bed, ostensibly for just this sort of situation. But all I could think to do was yell. And the bear sloped off, and Luna was coaxed in, and eventually she settled down with grumpy grace to the realization that she was *not* going right back out again, and coffee and plans for the day were made, and Luna and a friend and I off in the car to the big city for grocery shopping, and on the way home we are confronted by a fire truck across the road, an ambulance with flashing lights, and a helicopter in the field. A lady who lived in one of the little houses off the grade, taken suddenly ill. Must be stabilized before being flown out. A half-hour in the sunshine on a dirt road, trying to divide my time between learning my lines for a play and gawking as the life-and-death drama played out.
And then to hear a snippet of HRC’s interview on NPR, and feel a sort of happy-thrill – her voice sounds confident and assured as she talks about how she’s ready to reach out to Senator Sanders – and then hear NPR speaker saying something like “meanwhile, Bernie Sanders wonders why Hillary Clinton is claiming she is going to be the nominee”, and I catch myself yelling at the radio, “BECAUSE SHE CAN DO MATH, IDIOT, WHICH APPARENTLY YOU CAN’T”.
And this has been my spring day in the Rockies. Close encounters with bears, sudden catastrophe, and the clash and din of national politicking. How y’all been?
AnotherBruce
@Roger Moore: I’m kind of getting deep into some web searches about this. I’m coming to the conclusion that, while there is no proof that it came from the Clinton ’08 campaign, it did come from some of her supporters. But I also get the impression that she had already suspended her campaign or was close to doing so when this happened. At any rate, there is still no evidence that it came from her or her campaign staff. In addition to everything else, I’m going to have to explain to my naive buddy what ratfucking is. Thanks for the clarification.
different-church-lady
We’re missing something significant here: a Sunday Show had a guest who wasn’t a white male.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: Well that could’ve been all sorts of ugly.
Matt McIrvin
@AnotherBruce:
One of them in the LGM comments recently explained to me that African-Americans only support Clinton in places still controlled by political machines, and that it was “pure patronage”.
I think part of what’s going on here is that if you read pro-Sanders articles on Huffington Post and similar places, you’ll find all sorts of statements that black support for Hillary Clinton is collapsing, or was a myth all along. Not true, as far as I can tell, though there’s certainly a Sanders-supporting faction on the African-American left that includes some prominent people.
aimai
@HelloRochester: I disagree, but even if what you say is true–so what? An national election is more like an avalanche than it is like a game show. Just because the candidates get out there and sell themselves and voters have the illusion of choice doesn’t mean that the entire thing is rational, like a market, or the product of people’s desires. The election is happening, the two candidates will be Trump and Clinton, and the rest–how much of the senate we can retake, or the house, is not up to either Trump or Clinton. Its up to the voting population. Progressives–hell, Democrats–don’t control the red states or their population’s choices. No Democrat is going to appeal to them because the country is too partisan. As for Trump–his voters will vote for him and our voters will not. That’s all there is to it. Stop whining about how you don’t like Clinton or she’s not a good candidate. Its irrelevant. That is not what matters. GOTV is what matters. No one cares if its hard for you (if you even engage in politics at that level). Just shut up and GOTV.
burnspbesq
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:
I’m guessing that somebody’s favorite character got gruesomely offed tonight.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: Indeed. And then Fallujah! What a day it’s been!
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Sorry I’m late, Fellow Balloon Juicers!
Someone recently said the Nevada Dem Chair Violence can be considered a form of “half-life” like radiation that will always mark those complicit in the dissemination of false information.
Good Job, #ImWithHillary, you’ve created the next – gen PUMA!
Looks like the fallout from Nevada/DNC debacle claims another victim:
Preach it, Shaun King!
Did you know that Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was a co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign against Obama, and is now the chair of the DNC, earlier this year did away with all of the restrictions on lobbyists that President Obama put in place?
According to the Washington Post,
“The DNC’s recent, more sweeping reversal of the previous ban on donations from lobbyists and political action committees was confirmed by three Democratic lobbyists who said they have already received solicitations from the committee. The lobbyists requested anonymity to speak freely about the committee’s decision, which has been otherwise kept quiet.”
KING: Hillary Clinton wants you to avoid the reality of the polls
Unless you are a political insider, it would be hard to know that such a thing had ever happened. No doubt, that was their goal. Why? Are they ashamed? It certainly appears so.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-leaving-democratic-party-article-1.2644307
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Most of my family lives in a small city in central Wisconsin. Bears pop into town every once in a while. They like the big garbage bins that have become ubiquitous.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: But the Bolts won in overtime. So not all bad!
burnspbesq
@Adam L Silverman:
Which struck me as downright hilarious when I flew from Galway to Manchester a few years ago without being asked to show my US passport at either end.
Miss Bianca
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Salve, Stultissime, te futueo et caballum tuum.
Matt McIrvin
@RK:
Powerful, assertive women usually come off as imperious and humorless, because we’re used to women going along to get along; they’re socialized to do it. In a man the same affect comes across as serious and frank.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: I’ll take your word for it that that is an Excellent Thing. : )
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Your candidate will not get the nomination.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Helen: I was just back home in Brooklyn last week. I miss it, and I wondered about moving back — but then I pictured Iggy the country-born Wonder Schnauzer shrieking 24/7 at all 8 million people in New York and figured we should probably stay where we are.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Original Six are gone so who cares?
Barbara
@Roger Moore: You can also rely on your outdoor grill if you lose power. OTOH it won’t help if you want to take a hot shower.
The Thin Black Duke
@Omnes Omnibus: JHB has joined Kdope, BiP and NR as folks I just completely ignore. Life is too short, y’know?
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: you have email!
Omnes Omnibus
@The Thin Black Duke: Sometimes I feel cruel.
SFAW
@Miss Bianca:
You are my new idol.
Miss Bianca
@SFAW:
*blush* Gee, wait’ll I tell Mom!
Major Major Major Major
@The Thin Black Duke: I rather enjoy their back and forth about pie, myself.
Ken
SEC. CLINTON: Oh, yes, he’s done a masterful job getting the Republican nomination. I was skeptical when Bill first proposed it, but now I’m glad we encouraged him to run.
Lectric lady
@redshirt: I watched Zoolander for the first time last night, in an attempt to get away from current politics. Alas, Trump was there too…
Omnes Omnibus
@Lectric lady: We could have warned you against it. Poor you.
piratedan
I am sitting here musing if Chuck would ask Trump the same question of Trump, can you mention anything praiseworthy regarding Secretary Clinton… but then again, why should I expect fair play from Chuck Todd.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Sez you. I actually kind of like “Zoolander”. ’tis a guilty pleasure.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: It’s all eye-candy for you, isn’t it?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Miss Bianca:
And Greetings to you too, Miss B! Its been quite awhile since I’ve seen that phrase! I think I was like 15 or so, but next time you should try something a little more difficult like Sallust. That dude fuckin sucked to translate!
My favorite phrase is from Propertius, an Ellegiac Poet from the 1st Century:
Omina Fausta Cano.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Omnes Omnibus:
For the tenth (or so) time, Sanders will lose.
Here let me say it again:
Sanders will lose.
Sanders will lose.
Ad infinitum.
It’s the future that’s up for grabs now.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Miss Bianca:
Zoolander is fuckin hilarious!
What is this? A CENTER FOR ANTS?!
And I’m 90% with yall. It’s just that 10% getting magnified right now.
Miss Bianca
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: So I guess that means you’re not taking my advice and buggering off, Stultissime. Ah well. A girl can dream.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Good Talk, Becnel!
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Then could you please stop whining? I suggest that you pick a side. I know you are a real believer in Sanders. But the election will be Clinton vs.Trump. At this point, any shit thrown at Clinton from the left benefits Trump. Pick your side.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Come on – David Bowie rolling his eyes and announcing, “it’s a walk-off”? The slow-mo gasoline dousing? And, since I was in coal country at the time, *and* working as a literacy program coordinator, other parts resonated with me as well…suffice it to say, it’s the only time I’ve ever really found Ben Stiller funny…
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Sorry.
Major Major Major Major
@Miss Bianca: Best to insult somebody in a language they don’t know, anyway.
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: JHB says he majored in Latin.
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: I know. She should stick to something like German, or math.
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Is that like “Omina Gaullia in three partes divisa erst”?
Typical
ETA: In other words: literacy – how do it work?
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: I think his Latin checks out, actually, though I haven’t taken it since HS.
Here’s something a lot of BernieBros need to wrap their head around:
The last bit might be my next tattoo. That or “I would prefer not to.”
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yeah, well, one would think he would know how to spell correctly one of the more recognized words.
Especially when he sees you nym all the time. (Just don’t change it to “Omens Ominbus,” it’ll freak him out.)
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: Like I said, his Latin checks out
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
The phrase he intended to write checks out, after a fashion. Or it would, if you’re the kind of person who refers to the NRC as the Nucular Regulatory Commission.”
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: I don’t understand. He didn’t mean omina? “Omnia fausta cano” is barely even a phrase. Also, you know, google.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
So maybe I’m not even half as smart as I thought I was. So it goes.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW:
Shit, who died?
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Yeah, I did the Google thing. As I said, not as smart as I should be.
Not sure I can parse it either way: seems like the “omina” version translated to something like “Good omens sing/sound”. “omnia” version seems like “All fortunate sing.”
Never studied Latin, only speak/spoke German and Spanish reasonably well, plus a little of a few others (Putonghua, French, Greek, Russian) — just enough to get into trouble.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
This ain’t Tralfamadore, Salo.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: ‘cano’ is ‘i sing’, Latin has strong verb inflection. Word order can be pretty funky but the verb is often at the end, as it is in this case. So “I sing good omens”
Steeplejack
Redacted.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
OK. Still not sure it makes sense, but I defer to your wisdom.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW:
Can’t say I recommend that.
NR
@Omnes Omnibus: Has “Please don’t talk about our candidate’s obvious flaws” ever worked in any election ever?
Citizen Alan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Are there ANY black women in politics that Republicans don’t react to with terrified loathing? Other than Janice Rogers Brown, I guess?
Citizen Alan
@RK:
She’s a highly intelligent and successful woman and her enemies are largely buffoons. It’s easy to fall into the trap of seeing her as the bitchy PC university president obsessed with kicking the Animal House frat off campus … until you stop and look at it objectively and realize that the Animal House frat boys are all drunken buffoons and occasionally rapists who SHOULD get expelled.
Citizen Alan
@NR:
Seemed to work pretty well for the winner in 2000 and 2004 (well, for some definitions of “winner”).
Applejinx
Mornin’ folks.
I went to visit my brother, on the wobbly old car-struts, and didn’t crash nor did the car fly into pieces at 70 mph. Wooo!
I think I’ve spotted an angle Clinton’s setting up, can’t wait to see it exploited. I don’t believe she actually is contemplating ‘business leaders’ for Veep: not because she personally objects to business or banker types being veep, but because she has more leverage over working politicians. I don’t think it’s going to be a business dude, it’s a smokescreen.
BUT.
The suggestion is always, always within the frame of ‘SUCCESSFUL’ business people. So by all means let’s have the discussion of whether a successful business person should be veep, or whether that’s the wrong agenda/outlook for a public servant.
Cue Trump trying to be involved in that discussion.
Cue Hillary Clinton casually smacking him down in a way he will never forget: “No, Donald, I meant successful business people. Real ones, not pretend ones. Real business people aren’t broke, they make money on which they pay taxes. I paid ten million dollars in taxes in 2014. You paid nothing.”
How do you think that would play?
D58826
tell me again how Hillary is disrespecting the Bernie movement?
New England Beekeeper
@Miss Bianca: What a lovely glimpse into your day. Thank you for sharing, Miss B!
Carolyn Kay
@Patricia Kayden: A majority, in fact.
Carolyn Kay
@Davis X. Machina: I take it you’re a Bernie supporter. If so, you should know that his name in Spanish would be Bernardo, not Bernado.