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Ole Bernie has decided to force Kentucky to recanvas the entire fucking state, when at most he will gain one delegate, but probably none at all:

According to the Associated Press article, there is only one delegate remaining to be assigned in Kentucky. That’s in the sixth congressional district, where Clinton currently holds a slim 500 vote lead. Certainly, they should get that count right and assign the delegate accordingly, but otherwise the two candidates split the delegates evenly, 27 to 27. Sanders doesn’t stand to gain any delegates by forcing a recount of all 120 counties in Kentucky. He isn’t fighting for every last delegate. He’s just making up a controversy to throw sand in everyone’s eyes.

This isn’t adult behavior. I hate to say it, but it’s just not.

I wish Clinton could just release a statement that says “If Sanders is going to be such a giant WATB, just give him a fucking delegate and save the money.”

Fucking asshole.

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  1. 1.

    gf120581

    From what I’ve heard, it’s a fundraising ploy. He’s probably close to broke by now with $ drying up and he needs to find some way to convince his supporters to throw more $ at him.

    That or maybe he’s just pissed that Hillary refused his attempt at free air time (“devate”).

  2. 2.

    Tina Herald

    That’s what I keep saying. Hillary should just give him a couple of delegates and tell him to quit suing everyone and wasting the Democratic Party’s time and money. Of course, we know it’s really a free TV time, fund-raising scam..

  4. 4.

    Elie

    So what happened to all these meetings that we heard that he had with Democrats in the senate reassuring them that he wasn’t going to fuck up Hillary’s chances? And the other veiled threats that the convention was going to be “messy” but that was ok? Is this how its going to be until the convention? Shoot, I know no one can force him out, but what about all those words he said about defeating Trump? I haven’t heard him say one thing against Trump. Not one.

  7. 7.

    The Thin Black Duke

    As I said in an earlier post, the Bernie Sanders we’re seeing now is the Bernie Sanders his colleagues in the Senate have been seeing for a long time.

  10. 10.

    gf120581

    @Elie: CA is looking like a Hillary blowout, especially since Sanders has no money to compete there anymore. If she smokes him there, any shred of remaining justification to keep going is over.

    I’m just enjoying the spectacle. It’s rare you get to see a septagenarian act like a bratty five year old throwing a tantrum because he didn’t get the toy he wanted. Hillary’s rightly ignoring him. He wants to destroy his reputation, let him.

  11. 11.

    WarMunchkin

    Amid increasingly sharp attacks against Bernie Sanders for remaining in the Democratic presidential race despite lagging in the delegate count, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) on Tuesday urged people to “lay off” the Vermont senator.

    “I’ve had conversations with Bernie, he’s a good person, he’s doing his best to effectuate what he believes in, and I have no criticism of Bernie at this stage,” Reid said, according to the Associated Press.

    “I think we should just kinda lay off Bernie Sanders a little bit, OK?” he continued.

    What is it, three more weeks?

  13. 13.

    chopper

    @gf120581:

    any shred of remaining justification to keep going is over.

    people have been saying this for months, but bernie ain’t listening.

  14. 14.

    Elie

    I think Hillary made a good decision to not debate Bernie on Fox. Its clear he just wants to hurt her now and at Fox, he could count on getting willing partners… Nope, he doesn’t get a forum to raise more dough. Someone needs to whisper that 200K comes off any dough the Democrats or Hillary would be willing to give him for his debts for every insult he or his minions put out from now on. Also, that money with a multiplier for every day he fucks up will go to a primary challenger. His choice.

  16. 16.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    @gf120581:

    Hillary’s rightly ignoring him. He wants to destroy his reputation, let him.

    She needs to let him stew in his own juices and not feed the fire herself. She needs a lot of his supporters on her side in November. It would do no good to alienate them now.

  17. 17.

    cmorenc

    Doesn’t the candidate who came out on the short end of a close race have to pay for a requested recount in most states? Apparently, this includes Kentucky:

    Cost for Candidate-Initiated Recounts:
    Paid entirely by initiator
    Initiator pays deposit or bond before recount

    Candidates must pay a bond before the recount, for all costs associated with the recount, in an amount to be determined by the Circuit Judge. See KRS 120.095 and 120.185.

    Cost for Voter-Initiated Recounts:
    Paid entirely by initiator
    Initiator pays deposit or bond before recount

    For recount under KRS 120.250 voters must pay a bond before the recount, for all costs associated with the recount, in an amount to be determined by the Circuit Judge See also the costs for recounts under 120.280.

    If the Sanders campaign is indeed running too dry of funds to contest California and New Jersey the way they’d prefer – how much of the $6 million the Sanders campaign has left will they have to divert if they’re going to initiate a statewide recount in Kentucky? I’d presume the motivations are twofold: 1) as said above as a fundraising gambit; 2) for the optical gain of having won rather than lost Kentucky (albeit it would be by a razor-thin amount if successful).

    One thing for sure is that the single-delegate potential gain from this exercise is not the real motivating reason for this maneuver – Bernie would still be only a tiny fraction less far behind in pledged delegates (272 instead of 273, I think ??). It’s all being done for the two optical reasons listed above, in order to try to leverage their broader argument about Bernie purportedly being the stronger general-election candidate, therefore superdelegates need to reconsider. However, the optical effect that’s much more likely to result is to increase the number of folks who think he’s an asshole seized with a colossal case of messianic narcissism.

  18. 18.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @JohnCole

    Excellent Point, Cole! Sanders needs to give up and TOE THE CLINTON LINE.
    Who does he think he is? He needs to be put in his place.

    Meanwhile, in NOTPC (News Other Than Pro Clinton)

    But Mr. Sanders never said he’d quit, or stop trying to win, before all Democrats had voted. It must be remembered that he also has been on a career-long mission to bring about a political revolution in the party and the country, and he still has a huge megaphone through which to deliver his message.

    Ms. Clinton does little for her own cause by seeming to be impatient to seize the crown. Mr. Sanders’ insistence on persevering is not likely to inflict much damage to her election chances by doing so. And her suggestion that she deserves his premature exit because she bowed out against Mr. Obama at the end of their competition in 2008 is irrelevant. What’s that to the zealous Bernie?

    In one debate in that campaign, Mr. Obama memorably drew laughs and snickers by observing of Ms. Clinton that she was “likable enough.” If she would give Mr. Sanders whatever time he needs now to mollify his loyal campaigners, she just might win a few brownie points with Democratic voters who apparently still feel that way about her, or worse.

    There will be nearly six weeks after the last primaries and the opening of the Democratic convention for Mr. Sanders to fulfill his pledge to join the fight against Donald Trump, and to bring his loyal army with him in the effort. Hillary should not crowd him and wait until she officially is the Democratic nominee, before behaving as if she already is.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-witcover-0524-20160523-story.html

    Funded by the rich, the foundation allows the Clintons to travel around the world and to network with other high net worth individuals. It even pays the salaries of Clinton friends and other flunkies. And where does the money come from? Bill Clinton would often raise it from people who had direct financial interests at play in the U.S. State Department when Hillary was there. One such deal resulted in a Russian company, Uranium One, obtaining control over one-fifth of the world’s uranium production.

    http://theweek.com/articles/625896/why-crooked-hillary-likely-stick

    Sanders names Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota, Bill McKibben, Native American activist Deborah Parker, and Palestinan activist James Zogby to the DNC Platform Drafting Committee

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-scores-platform-concessions-from-democratic-national-committee/2016/05/23/e9ee8330-20fc-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

  19. 19.

    Amir Khalid

    At first I didn’t want to think that Bernie was as unfit by character for the Presidency as he was unprepared for the executive job. But after this past fortnight I am forced to conclude that on both counts, he is definitely not presidential material.

    Right now, Bernie seems to me to be torn between the practical need to learn to play on a team (we can see he’s still a novice at it), and his presidential ambition (against expectation, he’s come so close he can practically taste it) — which, as I recall, someone here rightly said seems to have become his Preciousss… He’s still coming to terms with the unhappy realisation that he’s not getting both.

  21. 21.

    Elie

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    While I agree that is the best strategy late in the game, I wonder if she regrets not crushing him a the gate with a lot more strong, negative attacks. He turned out to be a viper and now she has to curl her talons to avoid alienating his supporters. Early on, before he had so many, maybe he could have just be damaged and eliminated. Maybe not but I just can’t stand the man…

  22. 22.

    dollared

    Oh, I am truly outraged. Imagine, a politician enaging in politics! Clearly, he should be permanently banned from the Democratic Party. We don’t do politics in our party.

  24. 24.

    Elie

    @Amir Khalid:

    In fact, he has some risk to blow his senate gig if he does too much damage to Hillary. I can tell you, if Trump wins because of these shenanigans, I will be standing at the gate of his house with a pitchfork and torches!

  25. 25.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @WarMunchkin:

    What is it, three more weeks

    Cole cant resist giving into that urge to some good ole fashioned Hippie Punching.

    Sanders is requesting a recount, because Clinton has been declaring victory. If she would’ve left it alone, this wouldn’t be happening.

  26. 26.

    Gravie

    I’ve had both Bernie and Hillary car magnets on my vehicle for awhile now. Yesterday, I was walking past the car and just stripped the Bernie one off. I’ve had it with him.

  27. 27.

    singfoom

    @cmorenc: Does not compute. If this is a fundraising ploy but if he comes out not having actually won after the recount his campaign has to pay for the recount, isn’t it a net loss?

    And even then, if he is the winner AFTER the recount, he gains 1 delegate? The words that come to mind here are “scorched earth”. Is this the tactic from here on out?

  28. 28.

    tastytone

    “just give him a fucking delegate and save the money”
    Seriously. What a schmuck.

    @cmorenc:
    I read earlier that for the “re-canvassing” of absentee ballots, etc, that BS wants to do, KY is responsible for the costs. For a total recount, the BS campaign would be responsible.

  29. 29.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Elie:

    In fact, he has some risk to blow his senate gig if he does too much damage to Hillary. I can tell you, if Trump wins because of these shenanigans, I will be standing at the gate of his house with a pitchfork and torches!

    No he doesn’t.

    Vermont recently held that State Party Convention and Sanders had near unanimous support behind him with nary a Clinton voice to be heard.

  30. 30.

    Elie

    @dollared:

    Oh stop please — he is as thin skinned as a tomato. He has gotten the benefit of the media, republicans and Hillary not really giving him a dose of the “bigs” negatives. Trust me, if he keeps this up, he will get way more consequence than he imagines. He’s got more than a little to be careful about. Saint Bernie — Pshaw….

  32. 32.

    Elie

    @Baud:

    Well, I would take that chance if it could be done again. If it had been handled early he would have been gone before anyone knew much….

  35. 35.

    eclare

    @tastytone: If that is true, another great talking point about Democrats in KY. Thanks Bernie! Now please go back to your corner for your time out.

  37. 37.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    Bernie Supporters Suing in Cali…

    WILL IT NEVER END?!!!

    The application to vote by mail procedure makes it very confusing if you’re a ‘no party preference’ voter to get your ballot,” Simpich tells 89.3 KPCC. “We want to see voters obviously turn out in as large numbers as possible. We think, especially with independent voters, it’s going to mean more votes for Bernie.”

    The Democratic Party has an open primary in the state of California, meaning that voters don’t have to be registered Democrats to cast a vote for the Democratic presidential candidate. But to participate in California’s presidential primary, voters with no party preference who vote by mail have to request a ballot for the party whose primary in which they want to vote – otherwise they will be sent a “non-partisan” ballot that does not include presidential candidates. And once voters mail in a ballot – whether it be the correct one or not – they are unable to correct their mistake and vote again.

    http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0523/Sanders-supporters-argue-that-California-is-confusing-voters

  41. 41.

    guachi

    To be clear, this is a recanvass not a recount. Basically checking math but not counting the ballots again.

    Guess which of the two the state has to pay for?

  42. 42.

    Kathleen

    @cmorenc: I wonder if the rules for recount apply to a “recanvass”. If so, I can see Bernie ginning up the hordes so he ends up with much more money than the recanvass will cost. I agree with other comments here that this is a Grande Grifto on his part.

  43. 43.

    Cacti

    @gf120581:

    CA is looking like a Hillary blowout, especially since Sanders has no money to compete there anymore. If she smokes him there, any shred of remaining justification to keep going is over.

    And generally speaking, being a bombastic asshole about other Democrats and treating them like the enemy doesn’t play well there, much like it didn’t in NY.

  47. 47.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Elie:

    Ahhhh but that is before the election… Might be different if he keeps this shit up and Trump wins…. You think he would be a hero? Really?

    If Trump wins, it’s because Clintons a weak Candidate.

    I have been noticing on comment threads on many different Political Blogs Trump supporters and Sanders Supporters banding together and attacking pro Clinton MSM articles, calling them David Brock “Correct the Record” paid Trolls for Clinton.

  48. 48.

    Chyron HR

    In summary: If you don’t like Hillary Clinton it’s because she’s an evil bitch, but if you don’t like Bernie Sanders it’s because you’re stupid.

  49. 49.

    Cacti

    Bernie was the kid who would throw the Candyland game board in the air any time he saw he wasn’t going to win.

  50. 50.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Cacti:

    Gotta get the excuses in place for the coming loss.

    Bernie’s incapable of taking his defeats like a man.

    You’re preaching to the choir on this. You know very well that I think Sanders is gonna lose.

    Would you rather Bernie “take it like a Hillary” like in 08 vs Obama?

  51. 51.

    Trollhattan

    @Baud:
    Keep the old canvas and get a nice, gilded frame instead. Baud! deserves to be nicely framed.

  53. 53.

    eemom

    Fuck Bernie.

    Hey Cole, can EVERY post from now until Bernie finally shuts the fuck up and goes away be a FUCK BERNIE post? Pretty please? His trolls are so cute with all the steam coming out of their little troll ears.

  54. 54.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Registering to vote here is really damn straightforward. The Bernie/Jane Kim volunteers who sat me down and had me do it were very helpful and easy to find, right by the Whole Foods.

    Would you rather Bernie “take it like a Hillary” like in 08 vs Obama?

    Drop out once mathematically eliminated, wholeheartedly endorse the winner, and work tirelessly to advance party goals? Yes.

  55. 55.

    dmsilev

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: That lawsuit is nonsense; California makes it very clear that unaffiliated voters have to explicitly request a party ballot for the primary. A nanosecond of thought will tell you why: if not, how will the registrar know which ballot to send you?

    This is just premptive whining by Sanders supporters (not the campaign itself).

  56. 56.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Chyron HR:

    I’d say corrupt asshole not “evil bitch”.

    Bitch is sexist.
    same goes with Evil. Too religious for us Atheistic types

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I wish Clinton could just release a statement that says “If Sanders is going to be such a giant WATB, just give him a fucking delegate and save the money.”

    I would max out to her campaign if she did this,

    still think this pales in comparison to the Cornell West shit.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: I don’t know. Some indies really hate parties and might not want a ballot with the Dem party presidential ballot. Or they might be confused and think the were ddeceitfully registered as a Democrat. Not clear cut to me at all.

  60. 60.

    Shell

    Ms. Clinton does little for her own cause by seeming to be impatient to seize the crown.

    Funny, all the calls Ive heard lately for him to bow out has come from his former supporters. Have not heard one official comment coming from Hillary or her campaign.

  61. 61.

    hueyplong

    If Sanders is hurting Clinton, it’s probably just temporary. We’ll have 5 months after California for everyone to be treated to the nastiest campaign ever, and nothing from the Sanders period will matter anymore.

  62. 62.

    JPL

    @Andy: On the right Hillary is being accused of murder, and on the left Sanders thinks only the voters that support him matter.
    Although, Trump is unstable, I assume you want him in charge. Good Luck with that.

  63. 63.

    Cacti

    Bernie’s also having a snit that Hillary won’t have one last debate with him on Faux News.

    I think we got the message, Bern: Noun, verb “millionayuhs and billionayuhs,” “outrageous” wave finger in the air and scowl.

  64. 64.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @srv:

    PS- In pure Clintonian fashion, expect her to play the victim tomorrow. Why, she just made an innocuous statement about the election timeline and all these Obama supporters are trying to push the little woman out.

    Fuck that nonsense. Buy some garlic and a wooden stake and tell her and her supporters to piss right off.

    What is it about Dem Politics that’s makes everyone fucking hypocrites?

    Either your FOR the WORKING CLASS or AGAINST. There’s no middle ground here.

  69. 69.

    dollared

    @Elie: What consequences? Who cares? Honestly, the BJ War on Bernie is the biggest waste of energy since oil drillers invented the flare off.

  71. 71.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @JPL:

    Although, Trump is unstable, I assume you want him in charge. Good Luck with that

    Can’t wait for the next 20 years where the new Milennial politicians will actually pay us more than lip service.

  73. 73.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @WarMunchkin: I agree with Reid that we all have to let his tantrum play out, but I’m so tired of treating Bernie! and his precious supporters like they’re Billly Mummy about to send us to the cornfield.

    “It’s good that Bernie! did that!”

  74. 74.

    Felonius Monk

    It has finally got to the point that the only time I feel the Bern is when I pee.

  75. 75.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Amir Khalid:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:
    I am impressed by your fine parsing of which names to call Hillary. All the same, they are calumnies, still wrong in themselves and still vile.

    Ok, you stay up there in your ivory tower where it’s safe.

    I’ll be down here in the streets where people are being kicked out of their homes and babies dying because their moms can’t afford diapers.

  80. 80.

    Cacti

    @srv:

    I’m as Republican as Bernie is a Democrat.

    Your conscience-soothing falsehoods are immaterial to me, champ.

  81. 81.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Losing the nomination is not synonymous with losing the platform or losing the down ballot candidates and props he supports.

    Don’t you get it? Bernie is speaking directly to the New Democratic Party electorate. The young people aren’t yet alienated by “business as usual” politics yet.

  82. 82.

    Xboxershorts

    Remember back in the day where in DKOS if you said electronic voting was totally unverifiable and easy to hack you’d be banished to Balloon Juice hell??

    Yeah, good times man, good times…

  83. 83.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Cacti:

    Your conscience-soothing falsehoods are immaterial to me, champ.

    Get em, Cacti! That’ll show em!

  86. 86.

    JPL

    I think Trump bringing up Foster’s death is awful. I feel so bad for his family, because they can’t escape the ugliness..
    How unstable do you have to be to cause that much harm, to make yourself feel better.

    @srv: How many will suffer, or does that not matter to you.

  90. 90.

    Cacti

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I agree with Reid that we all have to let his tantrum play out, but I’m so tired of treating Bernie! and his precious supporters like they’re Billly Mummy about to send us to the cornfield.

    To all the parents of millennials who couldn’t bring themselves to tell little Snotley or Dakota “No!” during their first 2 decades of life…

    Fuck you with a rusty pitchfork.

  92. 92.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    At least Clinton is on our side against Fracking, right???

    Far from challenging fossil fuel companies, the emails obtained by The Intercept show that State Department officials worked closely with private sector oil and gas companies, pressed other agencies within the Obama administration to commit federal government resources including technical assistance for locating shale reserves, and distributed agreements with partner nations pledging to help secure investments for new fracking projects.

    The documents also reveal the department’s role in bringing foreign dignitaries to a fracking site in Pennsylvania, and its plans to make Poland a “laboratory for testing whether U.S. success in developing shale gas can be repeated in a different country,” particularly in Europe, where local governments had expressed opposition and in some cases even banned fracking.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-fracking/

    At least Clinton is Pro-Control!

  93. 93.

    rikyrah

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  94. 94.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Cacti:

    To all the parents of millennials who couldn’t bring themselves to tell little Snotley or Dakota “No!” during their first 2 decades of life…

    Fuck you with a rusty pitchfork.

    I told yall, you keep telling these young kids they can be anything and they might believe you!

  96. 96.

    JMG

    Dear John: There’s an old joke in sports about the basketball coach who turns around on the sideline during a game and sees the Grim Reaper reaching out.
    “Hey, I’ve got one time out left,” the coach tells him.
    That’s where Bernie Sanders is now. His actions don’t disturb the reality. Don’t let them disturb you. It’s what he does after he admits defeat that matters.

  97. 97.

    Really?

    I felt the Bern for a few months but I’m staunchly for Hillary now. One of my best friends, an otherwise intelligent, decent person has totally drank the Hillz for Prison flavor aid. It’s ridiculous as he knows that all of it (Bengahzi,Vince Foster, Whitewater) is horseshit. But somewhere in the last six months he went from joking to not funny.

    It’s not like either of us are hurting financially. We’re both mid-30’s, standard issue white guys. He’s a bit more antisocial than I am but then he was the awkward loner in High School and I was just your average schlub. He’s always been more of the anti-establishment type and took it more seriously (Microsoft/Disney = Satan) than I did.

    At this point he has arrived at the “won’t vote for Trump/but won’t vote for Hillary” stage. He has in his possession sufficient gray matter to know what this implies. But I suppose the overwhelming urge to burn it all down has gotten to him.

  99. 99.

    NR

    @JPL: Wow. Hillary dropped 19 points among young voters in one month.

    I knew she was a horrible candidate, but I didn’t know she was that bad. I’ve been saying she’s the worst candidate from a major party since 1972, but I’m starting to think she might actually be worse than McGovern.

  102. 102.

    rikyrah

    ‘Kris Jenner U’ Scrubs Its Social Media After Daily Beast Expose
    05.23.16 11:35 PM ET

    Hours after The Daily Beast published claims by New York state that Jenner’s B-school is the same entity as a shady European diploma mill, Legacy Business School had scrubbed its social feeds.

    Kris Jenner’s new business school, Legacy Business School, began scrubbing content from its social media pages on Monday, hours after The Daily Beast reported claims by the New York State Education Department (NYSED) that the organization is the rebranded European School of Economics, which had been operating a campus in New York State illegally for years.

    The Kardashian mom is the new chairwoman and face of the school, which is based in Trump Tower and costs up to $105,360 per year for a non-degree certificate. Legacy Business School’s Facebook and Instagram pages had been deleted and marked as private respectively on Monday afternoon.

  103. 103.

    Shell

    Beginning to think the more entrenched Bernie supporters think of themselves as Hodor in last Sundays GOT. Keeping back the ravening corrupt hordes.
    “Hold the door! Hold the door!”

  104. 104.

    Cacti

    @NR:

    Nobody believes you’re anything other than a GOPer, faux-Berner.

    Bounce on back to Breitbart and collect your virtual high fives for how long you were able to keep up the ruse.

  105. 105.

    WaterGirl

    Can someone please direct me to the thread last night where everybody was fun and there was no clinton/bernie sniping? That sounds like a good one, but I apparently missed it.

  107. 107.

    Cacti

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Remember, kids, fracking is ALWAYS wrong, and selling weapons to other countries is ALWAYS evil!

    Bernie opposes fracking, coal, and nuclear energy.

    I guess revolutionary spirit will power the grid in the magical world of a Sanders administration.

  109. 109.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Really?:

    But I suppose the overwhelming urge to burn it all down has gotten to him.

    Nah, I love burning down the Middle East better! Or better yet, let’s burn down the middle class while we’re at it and give all the income gains to the 1%.

    Those are all right wing tropes.
    Your colleague and friend needs to learn the left wing tropes about Clinton now. Those are much more likely to stick.

  112. 112.

    NR

    @Cacti: Cute. You picked that one up at 4chan, I assume?

    Better head back there and get some new material. You have to be able to actually piss people off if you want to push them over to Trump, and your schtick these days is weak.

  115. 115.

    geg6

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Oh good lord. What are you, twelve years old? I work with members of your millennial revolutionary vanguard all day, every day. I hate to break it to you, but they aren’t manning the barricades. They’re off on the next thing, which for the ones I deal with, has meant starting their new careers with their shiny new diplomas in hand and becoming the very people (like me) who they were screaming were the dreaded establishment a few months ago. They’re growing up. Perhaps you will, too.

  116. 116.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @WarMunchkin:

    What is it, three more of the longest, most tedious, everlasting, godforsaken, blighted, parched, wretched weeks?

    Yes.

  117. 117.

    goblue72

    @Cacti: Or what is increasingly powering the nation’s electrical grid and has a lower GHG output than coal: natural gas. Along with solar, wind, hydro and biomass – renewables which are making up an increasing percentage of our energy. We certainly don’t need coal and could most definitely transition to an electrical grid that is coal free.

    Its not like Germany produced 50 percent of its electrical demand in a country whose average annual hours of sunshine is equivalent to Seattle.

    You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

  118. 118.

    rikyrah

    Tim MakVerified account
    ‏@timkmak
    Trump never gave $1mil to vet charities, as he had promised. Only gave $1mil after constant digging by WaPo & others

  120. 120.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    @Cacti:

    I guess revolutionary spirit will power the grid in the magical world of a Sanders administration.

    Exactly right!

  122. 122.

    Mike J

    @Cacti:

    I guess revolutionary spirit will power the grid in the magical world of a Sanders administration.

    I signed up for Thuirsdays on the treadmill.

  126. 126.

    JPL

    @NR: How would I know that she was a bad candidate? MSM doesn’t show her speeches, they are busy covering Trump and Bernie.

  129. 129.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Cacti: gotta be almost twenty years ago now, a Simpsons version of Ed Begly Jr drove a car powered by his own self-satisfaction. Bernie could fuel air travel for decades to come.

  132. 132.

    Jack the Second

    @eemom: Eh, there’s really no need to pile on.

    Hillary Clinton is the most evilest corrupt politician kotowing to corporate interests sellout. She is universally hated and has no chance in the general election. And she’s loud and ugly.

    And she is beating Bernie Sanders in every way that counts.

    What more do you need to enjoy the wailing and gnashing of teeth? What point is there in pouring vinegar in a wound already packed full of salt?

  133. 133.

    Really?

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: It has nothing to do with talking points or intellect. It must stem from some traumatic event or perceived slight in his childhood. This is a guy that wore his trenchcoat to class a week after Columbine.

  134. 134.

    JWR

    @srv:

    We’re building a Populist Party on the ash heap of the corrupt establishment.

    ..said the Bernie! meme generator.

  135. 135.

    geg6

    @starscream:

    He’s not 31 in mental or emotional years, I can tell you that. My recents grads have a better grasp on reality than he does.

  136. 136.

    Xboxershorts

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Remember, kids, fracking is ALWAYS wrong

    Shale gas extraction using deep well, long laterals and millions of gallons of toxic sludge IS always wrong.

    Come live where I do man. The Marcellus is a disaster zone just waiting to be declared. Can you possibly think of any better uses for Trillions of gallons of fresh water?

  137. 137.

    patroclus

    Who cares? Let him contest Kentucky if he wants to. Like it matters. Meanwhile, OU and Virginia are duking it out for the NCAA tennis championship. Go to collegetennistoday for the links to the live scoring and streaming!

  138. 138.

    rikyrah

    Campaign manager: Trump ‘proud’ to pay ‘lowest tax rate possible’
    20 min ago

    Corey Lewandowski, campaign manager for presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, told CBS News today that the real estate tycoon pays “the lowest possible” amount in federal income taxes, saying that it highlights his business acumen.

    “Mr. Trump is proud to pay a lower tax rate, the lowest tax rate possible,” Lewandowski said. “He is going to pay the smallest amount of taxes possible, which I think the American people also understand. Every deduction possible. He fights for every single dollar.”

    “That’s the mindset you want to bring to the government.”

  142. 142.

    Cacti

    @goblue72:

    Or what is increasingly powering the nation’s electrical grid and has a lower GHG output than coal: natural gas. Along with solar, wind, hydro and biomass – renewables which are making up an increasing percentage of our energy. We certainly don’t need coal and could most definitely transition to an electrical grid that is coal free.

    Its not like Germany produced 50 percent of its electrical demand in a country whose average annual hours of sunshine is equivalent to Seattle.

    You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

    You’re right. It’s not like Germany produced 50 percent of its electrical demand from renewables.

    26.4% was from brown coal, 20.7% was from hard coal, 17.2% was from nuclear, and 6.4% was from natural gas.

    So, a mere 70.7% of their grid is powered by non-renewables.

    So, in conclusion…

    Go jump up your own ass.

  144. 144.

    geg6

    @Davebo:

    Ha! Was just going to type the exact same thing. And he has the balls to tell others that they are clueless. Jeebus, if this is any indication of the intelligence level of the Bernista trolls around here, no wonder that campaign has flamed out.

  145. 145.

    rikyrah

    Dem mocks Trump’s ‘short fingers’ on House floor
    May 24, 2016, 01:23 pm

    A House Democrat worked in a taunt about the size of Donald Trump’s hands while blasting the presumptive GOP nominee for saying he’d take advantage of the housing market crash.

    In a House floor speech on Tuesday, Rep. Dina Titus (D-Nev.) called on the real estate mogul to apologize for comments made in 2007 counseling Trump University students to use the housing bubble as an investment opportunity.

    “He rooted for that bubble to burst. Well, the crash in the housing market devastated my hometown of Las Vegas, which was one of the hardest hit in the country,” Titus said, noting that thousands of people in her district lost their homes as a result of the housing bubble’s burst.
    […]
    Titus concluded her remarks by taking aim at a sore topic for Trump.
    “We say to Mr. Trump: Keep your short fingers out of the Nevada housing market,” she said.

    Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.), who was presiding over House floor proceedings, admonished Titus afterward for personally criticizing Trump.
    “The chair would remind members to refrain from engaging in personalities toward presumptive nominees for the office of president,” Davis said.

    Three other Democrats – Reps. Dan Kildee (Mich.), Jared Polis (Colo.) and Tim Ryan (Ohio) – joined Titus in attacking Trump for saying the housing market crisis would be a prime real estate opportunity.

    “Shame! Shame that we have a major leader of a major party rooting against families in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, in Florida, in Colorado. Shame on you, Mr. Trump. You’re supposed to be rooting for the American people, not rooting against them,” Ryan said.

    “The chair would like to remind members once again to refrain from engaging in personalities toward the presumptive nominees for the office of president,” Davis said after each of their floor speeches, with a hint of impatience growing in his voice.

  147. 147.

    SFAW

    @geg6:

    What are you, twelve years old?

    Yeah, no shit. Although I imagine that’s emotional age, not chronological/calendar. Eventually, one realizes that almost all of his comments are some riff on “Look, Mommy, I cleaned my room all by myself” or “The Flash is the bestest superhero ever! He is! And you’re a jerk for thinking Batman is!” or “Let me tell you how smart and funny I am!”

    Of course, he certainly speaks (or writes, I guess) Latin far better than I. Although he still has the urge to call the Ancient Britons “Weeny, Weedy, and Weaky.”

  148. 148.

    JMG

    I stand with the sentiments of those posters who have advised Clinton supporters here to just let it go and let nature take its course. Why feed trolls (I’d be shocked if even half of the Bernie dead-enders here are even Democrats, let alone leftists in reality)? John won’t let go because he’s John. It’s why we love him. He has a big heart worn proudly on his sleeve and the world needs more people like him. But most of us aren’t, and we should appreciate his posts, tweets, rants, etc. for what they are and act according to our own natures.

  149. 149.

    Xboxershorts

    @Major Major Major Major: In our past, we fucked over foreigners to guarantee America has cheap access to petro-fuels.

    Shale gas development, with all its exemptions from oversight, has ushered in an era where we now fuck over our own people so we can have cheap access to petro-fuels.

    It wasn’t right then.

    It ain’t any more right now.

    And the slang for that has become Fracking. I know, it’s not entirely accurate. But it is what it is. And it should be stopped.

  150. 150.

    geg6

    @Xboxershorts:

    About 5 minutes down the road. In any direction. What does that have to do with the fact that the reason natural gas is cheap because of fracking to get at the shale gas?

  153. 153.

    Xboxershorts

    @JPL:

    Then you need to fight your local government.

    We have a self funded non profit and we do just that. Didn’t need advice from the Balloon Juice community to tell us that. Just had to watch homes blow up down the road and our town’s water supply get polluted with drilling mud and soaps.

  154. 154.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts: Not far but not particularly close.

    Hell, I’d love for fracking to be outlawed for purely financial reasons. But if forced to make the case on environmental reasons I’d be challenged. It’s been done for over 60 years.

  156. 156.

    C.S.Strowbridge

    I wish Clinton could just release a statement that says “If Sanders is going to be such a giant WATB, just give him a fucking delegate and save the money.”

    You know if she did that, about 10% of Sanders remaining supporters would see that as a confession and proof that she cheated.

  157. 157.

    JPL

    @srv: Well we have two choices, Trump and Hillary. As we know Trump is unstable and has small hands, and whether you agree with her or not, Hillary is wicked smart and capable.

  159. 159.

    Xboxershorts

    @geg6:

    About 5 minutes down the road. In any direction. What does that have to do with the fact that the reason natural gas is cheap because of fracking to get at the shale gas?

    Because it constantly screws over those people with no monetary interest in shale gas development.

  161. 161.

    SFAW

    @JMG:

    He has a big heart worn proudly on his sleeve

    When he’s not doing his naked-mopping thing, that is …

  162. 162.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo: Coudersport, PA. yes, and they got their drill bit stuck as soon as they broke through into the aquifer and dumped 25,000 gallons of “drilling soaps” into the uncased hole to free it up.

  164. 164.

    maryQ

    @Elie: yep. She probably did the right thing, but it is a problem that Berners get to cling to the fantasy that this crazy old Fidel-loving Reagan-hating guy who has said weird things about rape and child sexuality and has a belligerent wife who ran a liberal indoctrination factory/alternative college into the ground could survive a national campaign for more than 30 seconds.

    If god forbid Hilary loses, our Berner brethren will make us pay for as long as we are not engaged in a nuclear war with China.

  165. 165.

    JPL

    @Xboxershorts: A much different situation.. but I was recently involved in replacing three local council members. I live in a burb north of Atlanta with Price as my rep. No way we would we allow that here. Price fights regulations in Congress, but loves them in his home town.

  167. 167.

    Shell

    Well, since Trump is determined to bring back the Clinton years, heres an interesting news item.

    Baylor University’s Board of Regents voted to fire Ken Starr (yes, that guy) from his position as president and chancellor of the school.

  168. 168.

    geg6

    @Xboxershorts:

    I understand that and much more about it. But it seems to me that a Bernista up thread was making an argument that natural gas was separate from fracking. I could have read it wrong, but I’m pretty sure that I didn’t since I’m not the only one here who took that meaning from the OC.

  170. 170.

    Jack the Second

    @srv: Wait, is that supposed to be a point against her? One of the things I love most about Hillary Clinton is that all the right people hate her. Finding out that an asshole like Zimmerman hates her warms the cockles of my heart.

  171. 171.

    ruemara

    @Andy: Possibly by calling her corrupt, implying the entire system – that she lost against in ’08 – has been rigged to coronate her, claiming that she’s shiftless, a tool of Wall Street, not qualified. Possibly.

    No, you’re right, I can’t see how Bernie et al bear any responsibility.

  172. 172.

    patroclus

    @srv: What does “misunderestimate” mean? That one is underestimating something badly? Is that kind of like “irregardless”?

  173. 173.

    Xboxershorts

    @geg6: I appreciate and support Bernie’s position to put an end to shale gas development. I know it’s highly unlikely, but I would settle for a repeal of the 2005 act that took all oversight for it and exempted it from current regulations away from the EPA.

    It would become not cost effective then.

  174. 174.

    NR

    @Jack the Second:

    One of the things I love most about Hillary Clinton is that all the right people hate her.

    According to the polls, this is a majority opinion in the United States.

  175. 175.

    JPL

    @Shell: Did you see the article in the NYTimes today about Starr praising the post Clinton years? I wonder if that played into it. link
    something you might hear on 247/

  176. 176.

    patroclus

    @NR: But luckily, according to the polls, we hate Trump even more! A super-majority!

    Virginia is taking an early lead for the doubles point!

  177. 177.

    Xboxershorts

    I replaced my twitter link with a link to our non profit that we have.

    We make a difference by attending DEP rules making meetings and flooding them with real world data about the horrific legacy the drilling industry has left in PA.

    We collect this data researching old records and historical data and then by going into the field with GPS and Video cameras.

  178. 178.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: And yet, she is still beating Bernie Sanders handily, regardless of how you do the math.

    Glorious, isn’t it?

  180. 180.

    rikyrah

    Santa Fe Indian School Prepares for FLOTUS Visit

    Frances Madeson
    5/19/16
    Santa Fe Indian School Principal Dr. Felisa Gulibert was searching for just the right words to convey her school’s response to First Lady Michelle Obama’s acceptance of their invitation to address the 2016 graduating class on May 26. “Elation,” she finally said, “leavened with gratitude. The First Lady’s presence and her message will have an indelible, historical, and profound impact upon the future of these graduates and the rest of our Native American youths.”

    As much as possible under the extraordinary circumstances, the school is working to make this a graduation much like any other. “Our focus is on the graduates,” explained Kimball Sekaquaptewa, who is coordinating the media participation. “This day is for them.” Each of the 106 graduates will have 17 or 18 tickets to distribute to family and friends; it is expected that every one of the 2,660 seats in the Pueblo Pavilion will be filled. All 19 governors of the pueblos who own and operate the school will be there in traditional dress to shake the hands of each and every graduate. There will be the usual Native dancing, after which the students will change into their caps and gowns. There will be a traditional feast beforehand, not after, to accommodate Mrs. Obama’s schedule. The Valedictorian and Salutatorian have not yet been selected, testing is ongoing; but they will each have 15 minutes to address their fellow classmates and wider community.

  181. 181.

    NR

    @patroclus: Actually they’re tied in unfavorability now. And Hillary’s unfavorables are still rising while Trump’s are dropping.

  183. 183.

    WaterGirl

    @rikyrah:

    Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.), who was presiding over House floor proceedings, admonished Titus afterward for personally criticizing Trump.“The chair would remind members to refrain from engaging in personalities toward presumptive nominees for the office of president,” Davis said.

    What a total dick Rodney Davis is. I still get burned up when I think that the only reason we got saddled with him as our representative is because the republican county clerk fucked with voting registration in such a way that it -by total coincidence made it harder for people who moved around a long -and, total coincidence again, students were overwhelmingly for the democrat.

    I rally can’t decide who I loathe more – Rodney Davis or Mark Kirk. Or the governor. Okay, it’s the governor, to be “represented” by these 3 despicable people leaves me truly outraged.

  184. 184.

    patroclus

    @JPL: Yeah, the puff piece and supposed “regret” was all about Starr saving his job. He arrived at the Board of regents meeting today armed with his lawyer and they’re not proposing to fire him; just transfer him to a law school position at the same salary. The formal announcement is scheduled as of today to be made on the 6/3 Friday news dump. He’s just the “fall guy” for the massive cover-up scandal involving multiple rapes by Baylor football players that nothing was done about for years. Briles and McCaw are the real culprits, but it’s hard to fire anyone in the athletics department. So, karma is biting Starr for a sex scandal and the Clintons are headed back to the WH.

  185. 185.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: I remain unalarmed.

    In any case, I thought we were supposed to vote our hearts in the primary, for the best candidate, and not worry about general election chances … ?

  186. 186.

    patroclus

    @NR: Depends on the poll, troll. I bet you’re happy that Trump is gaining.

    And Virginia takes 1 set in the doubles!

  188. 188.

    JPL

    @Xboxershorts: As I mentioned, our issue was much different. It was concerns about high density building and destruction of historical districts, including Carter’s aunt’s house, that he would visit in the summer during his presidency. Citizens tend to have great faith in their local government, just because. It takes time to reeducate them, but it can be done.
    I hate fracking, but as long as it is legal, it needs to be done on the locally. Bernie is not going to have the power to overturn it.
    good luck

  190. 190.

    patroclus

    @NR: We’ll blame you troll – he’s your candidate.

    5-4 and 4-3 in the other doubles sets.

  191. 191.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts:

    Those are some pretty serious accusations. But there are a lot of discrepancies in the only reporting I could find from a fake news organization called The Public Herald.

    According to JKLM, between September 15th and 17th a broken drill bit was lost and retrieved from 570 feet down their Reese Hollow well after using an illegal chemical during that stage of the drilling process.

    What chemical might that be? The fake news site doesn’t say which is understandable as there are literally no “illegal chemicals” when it comes to fracking. Hell you can’t pump arsenic down the hole if you like and thanks to congress companies aren’t required to reveal what chemicals they are using (though it’s mostly either sand or porcelain these days).

    Do you have a more legitimate source on this alleged travesty I can review?

  192. 192.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: In that unlikely event that Trump is elected, why wouldn’t I get to complain? I’m going to vote against him in the general election, for the only other major-party candidate who has a chance of being elected, and not throw my vote away on a pissy protest vote for Superman or Gary Johnson.

  193. 193.

    EBT

    @guachi: Now I want Bernie to bugger off as much as the next person who feels screwed over for liking him a year ago, but a recanvas is pretty much an arithmetic audit and isn’t going to cost the state much to perform.

  197. 197.

    patroclus

    @NR: Nope troll, depends on which “averages” you cite, troll. But you should be happy that your candidate is consolidating his support.

    5-5 and 4-4 in the tow other doubles sets. It’s getting tight.

  198. 198.

    NR

    @Jack the Second:

    In that unlikely event that Trump is elected, why wouldn’t I get to complain?

    Because in the primary, you supported the only candidate in the country who has any chance of losing to him.

  200. 200.

    patroclus

    @JPL: Indeed. Starr’s finally getting his comeuppance after deliberately covering up a massive scandal, but this one involves non-consensual sex. Real women have been harmed

  202. 202.

    NR

    @patroclus: You’re tiresome. Polling averages incorporate a variety of polls to screen out outliers. The polls show Clinton and Trump tied in unfavorability with Trump heading up and Clinton still dropping. You can rant and rave all you want, it won’t change that fact.

  203. 203.

    patroclus

    @NR: And it would clearly be your fault for electing Trump, troll. He’s your candidate and it’s been obvious all along.

    5-5 and 5-4.

  205. 205.

    Roger Moore

    @srv:

    I’m as Republican as Bernie is a Democrat.

    So you’ve finally made it official after having been a fellow traveler for several decades?

  206. 206.

    NR

    @burnspbesq: Why don’t we take it a step further and just start putting Sanders supporters in jail? I mean, that’s clearly what you guys really want.

  208. 208.

    patroclus

    @NR: You’re a Trump supporter, who supports deporting millions, troll. You want to carpetbomb the mid-east troll, and you want to build a useless wall, troll. Why do you support Trump so strongly, troll?

  211. 211.

    patroclus

    @NR: Why don’t you take it further and deport millions, troll? Why do you support Trump so much troll?

  212. 212.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo:

    And there’s no fracking going on at 570 feet.

    It was a shale gas lease and a shale gas drilling team.

    You want to split hairs. Do it with someone else.

    To me, you’re being a jerk right now.

  215. 215.

    patroclus

    @NR: So no answer on the supporting Trump and deporting millions, huh troll? It’s just sad that your childish trolling continues to plague this blog, troll. Do you really think you’re impressing anyone, troll?

  216. 216.

    JPL

    @patroclus: I still wonder if they were upset, about his glowing comments about Bill. lol
    I understand that there was harm done to the females, and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. For that I am truly sorry.

  217. 217.

    patroclus

    @NR: Hey troll, do you really think you can hide your support of Trump and your desire to deport millions, including children, troll?

  218. 218.

    D58826

    @Davis X. Machina: from that link

    This petition is to counter to the voter suppression and election fraud that has happened across the United States. If the Democratic party does not meet our list of demands we are threatening a massive deregistration from the party.
    They have proven our votes don’t matter. They have figured out a way to twist, manipulate, and corrupt our vote. The party only has power in the amount of members behind it. A massive deregistration takes away that power.
    A coffin will start at the heart of the city and march down to the Democratic National Convention every day from July 24th through 28th collecting petitions and democratic registration forms along its way. We will deliver the coffin to the DNC on the last day
    Either they meet our demands or we will take the power from the Democratic party and give it back to the people!!!

    It’s up to Bernie to shut these people down and repudiate what they stand for. The DNC may not be perfect but do you really want to enable Trump. I would like to give Bernie the benefit of the doubt that he will be a team player and he can’t be held responsible for every nut who acts in his name. But demanding a recount in Kentucky for one delegate, his loose talk about the convention being messy, naming a couple of outsider (metaphorical) bomb throwers to the platform committee and pushing his platform ideas to their implausible limit, make one wonder.

    If these folks want to march, why not a march on Washington to demand that the senate do its job and confirm Garland for SCOTUS. Oh that’s right he was nominated by that turncoat Obama and he fails to live up to Bernie’s purity standards.

  219. 219.

    JPL

    @srv: Well. Trump is not the only person who is unstable… That was just a strange reply. Do you have small hands also?

  220. 220.

    patroclus

    @JPL: You never know with Southern Baptist regents – they have their reasons. Really, I think they don’t want to spend $300 million paying Briles off.

    1-1 Virginia-OU tied!

  222. 222.

    burnspbesq

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    I’ll be down here in the streets where people are being kicked out of their homes and babies dying because their moms can’t afford diapers.

    Riiiight. What street would that be? Post Rd. in Scarsdale? Wisconsin Ave. in Bethesda? Winnetka Ave., in front of New Trier High School?

    You’re not fooling anyone.

  224. 224.

    patroclus

    @NR: Hey troll, are you ever going to answer about your support of Trump, troll? It’s just sad that you continue this. Do you really think you’re impressing anyone, troll? Why do you support eliminating NATO? Why do you support deporting abuelitas? Why do you support a $10 billion wall, with yearly maintenance of $18 billion? Why? Are you ever gonna answer troll?

    Virginia takes the doubles point. On to the singles.

  226. 226.

    Carol512

    @Elie:

    I hope when he returns to the Senate, the Dems will make his existence there a living hell. Take his committees away from him and ignore him.

  227. 227.

    redshirt

    Barring a new thread, odds of a Tbogg currently stand at 70%.

    Update: New thread but it won’t be a successful one. Odds of a Tbogg now at 68%.

  232. 232.

    Bobby Thomson

    Feel the grift.

    I don’t think Al Giordano has a chance against him in 2018 but damn if it won’t be fun to watch someone hold that fraudulent dipshit accountable anyway.

  233. 233.

    eemom

    @NR:

    childish namecalling

    Well, I’m kind of young at heart, and impress nobody; lemme try. Judging by your online persona, you are an utterly insufferable asshole of a person IRL.

  234. 234.

    patroclus

    @redshirt: I think it depends on whether the johnny one-note troll reappears. He can dish it out, but he certainly doesn’t appear very good at taking it. It’s cool for me because I’m actually just watching the tennis. Virginia looks tough.

  235. 235.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo:

    What chemical might that be? The fake news site doesn’t say which is understandable as there are literally no “illegal chemicals” when it comes to fracking. Hell you can’t pump arsenic down the hole if you like and thanks to congress companies aren’t required to reveal what chemicals they are using (though it’s mostly either sand or porcelain these days).

    Do you have a more legitimate source on this alleged travesty I can review?

    ANY chemical (other than drilling mud) in an uncased well (that communicates with the local aquifer) is illegal by the way.

    The permit was granted by the state in the designated recharge area of the local hospital’s water supply as well as the borough’s water supply. In order to get that permit, the county commissioners authorized an audit of the existing discharge area and signed off on a redrawing of the discharge area. JKLM by the way, donated to the local Conservation organization. One of our commissioners sits on the board of the local DCNR. The director quit immediately thereafter.

    We know this because Public Herald filed a right to know request and got an email dump from the county commissioners.

    The local hospital spent months tearing their well out and replacing the entire thing. All casings, the well head and pump.
    5 months after the event we tested our water for surfactants and they’re still there (Yes, we’ve invested in Methylene Blue Anionic Surfactant testing equipment).

    Public Herald’s reporting on this is impeccable.

  237. 237.

    Truegster

    I helped fund the Socialist Monster early on to the tune of a few hundred bucks – I stopped after the first few states made the inevitably of Hillary clear. I wish he went a different direction, helped out the unknowns down ballot by giving them big rallies for him to introduce them to the public. I think the significance of the “Bernie of bust” is overrated, a media fascination that gets too much attention.

  239. 239.

    Really?

    Who was it that mentioned all these mra cockponies fapping to hentai? Sweet Jeebus, I signed on to world of warships and it’s nothing but anime girls/elitism/douchebros/min-maxing. Nobody listened some twenty years ago (I was in middle school) when teachers were complaining how you can’t tell the little darlings “NO.” So you get little Kyler screaming about joooooooos when you sink his KMS Prince Eugen. Thank fuck they haven’t gone with voip like MWO.

  242. 242.

    patroclus

    @redshirt: Nah – Becnel is more fun. He’s merely a trollish Becnel person. I think he’s really who he says he is – a Bernie supporter. And he knows that Hillary’s about to win and he’ll be voting for her. NR is a Trump supporter and I’m gonna call him on it if he has the guts to show up again.

  243. 243.

    Really?

    @Gin & Tonic: apparently my “Begin Rant” part didn’t translate.

    Oh and these gems don’t understand the difference between “PC” and “can’t take criticism.”

  244. 244.

    D58826

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: At this point in 2008 the GOP candidate was John McCain. He was a reasonable mainstream conservative republican. While the GOP was starting to lose it’s mind, it was still largely sane. I realize that McCain raised some real questions about his judgement when he picked Palin as his VP, but that wasn’t until September. A second difference is that both Obama and Clinton were long standing members of the party and would fall in line to support the winner. Neither one was talking about burning the party down.

    2016 is different and Bernie is different. He parachuted into the party to use the resources and structure of the ‘evil corrupt’ party to get on the ballot in all 50 states without having to go thru the time and expense of getting on the ballot as an independent.

    But the biggest difference is Trump and the fact that the GOP has totally lost its mind. All other things aside Trump is a real danger to our system and to the international community. But even a ‘mainstream republican’ in the WH with a GOP controlled congress would roll the country back to 1870.

    I find it hard to believe that Bernie cannot find a way to push his message while still aiming at Trump and not Clinton. Every dollar spent in the California primary is one less dollar that can be used to go after Trump. Every news cycle that she spends talking about Bernie is one less that she can talk about the dangers of a President Trump. Bernie doesn’t have to fold his tent, just aim his rhetoric in the direction of the GOP tent.

  245. 245.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Joy Reid ‏@ JoyAnnReid 30m30 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
    Wow. Jeff Weaver just accused Senator Barbara Boxer of lying about feeling threatened in Nevada.
    Asked if the campaign doesn’t want to see a repeat of Nevada, Weaver tells @CNN, the Sanders campaign doesn’t want to see Boxer… 1/2
    … walking off the stage “claiming to be in fear for her life while blowing kisses at the Sanders supporters.” 2/2

    the story was that Sanders called Boxer to apologize after NV. I wonder if he’ll call again. I wonder if she’ll take the call.

  246. 246.

    Mike J

    @Bobby Thomson:

    I don’t think Al Giordano has a chance against him in 2018 but damn if it won’t be fun to watch someone hold that fraudulent dipshit accountable anyway.

    Vermont has a smaller population than Seattle. Anything could happen. A perfect place for an insurgent campaign.

  248. 248.

    geg6

    @JPL:

    This. No one but a very few of us here are anti-fracking. Too much man net being made and She’ll is building a big fracker plant here. We’re having a mini-boom here and no one wants it to end. This area in Western PA hasn’t seen this kind of economic prosperity since Big Steel was king. I’m for no fracking in my heart but my head tells me that Hillary’s approach is the most realistic one.

  253. 253.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: So you’re saying I should support Bernie Sanders in the primary, even if he is not the best or even a particularly good candidate, because he has a marginally better chance of defeating Trump and would be marginally less bad?

  258. 258.

    Elie

    @maryQ:

    Ummmm — if they can keep Jane out of jail (where that money go, Jane?) and Bernie for FEC donation violations. These folks are frauds for all their lip pursing purity pony crap. Wouldn’t it be funny that after all the talk about Hillary being investigated, its Lady Jane that does the perp walk with hand cuffs?

  259. 259.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @goblue72: I’ll help you out here bucko. A couple of things, first the CA primary in 2008 was February 5th and not at the end of the primary schedule like it usually is(the nomination wasn’t wrapped up by then, math is hard), and second it wasn’t being broadcast on Faux News.

  264. 264.

    PsiFighter37

    You people are quite slow if you think srv actually believes all the things (s)he is saying. (S)He has been performing troll art on this blog for a long, long time. I’m pretty sure when he/she first commented on the blog, they were of a reliable (i.e. liberal) political stripe.

    Maybe I’m wrong / drunk. Anything can happen.

  267. 267.

    Really?

    @redshirt: Yes! I mean I want to just enjoy the game but this kind of thing is spreading. It’s the MBA mindset: All numbers, no soul.

    I can remember when I was kid and Kay*Bee toys went under. Then, twenty-some years later, you learn that Romney/Bain were responsible. My poor Army Ants.

  268. 268.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I know this will get a lot of hoots and woots and cheers at a Trump rally, I don’t see it as good national campaign

    ‏@ Acosta
    Warm up speaker for Trump in NM on why they shouldn’t vote for HRC: “Even Bill Clinton chose another woman.”

  269. 269.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts:

    You want to split hairs. Do it with someone else.

    Pointing out facts isn’t splitting hairs. It’s… factual. If during the course of fishing for a bit at 570′ the well casing was damaged and fluids released they weren’t fracking fluids.

  270. 270.

    patroclus

    @redshirt: Well, I have yet to see NR ever discuss any issue at all. Instead, it’s just approval ratings and likability, and s/he’s always defending Trump. Once or twice, there’s an obligatory “I’m a Bernie supporter,” but there’s never any explanation as to why (other than approval ratings and likability). So issues, like deporting millions, or calling all Mexicans “rapists” or nuking the middle east or building an idiotic wall in the middle of the Big Bend or starting a trade war or adding 35% to everything Americans buy from China or Mexico aren’t even relevant. Becnel talks issues. Bob sometimes talks issues but mostly just lies.

  271. 271.

    D58826

    @geg6: I understand the environmental concerns and would not trust the fracking companies any more than I would trust Exxon. But if properly regulated (yea I know) it seems to me that there are a couple of upsides
    1. local employment
    2. reduced dependence on middle eastern oil (natural gas for home heating to replace home heating oil)
    3.reduced use of dirty coal and
    4. a cleaner source of energy till the green energy sources are fully up and running.

    It just seems like another one of Bernie’s proposal that involve ‘I want the whole loaf now regardless of how impractical and if you don’t agree you are a stooge of the capitalists’

  273. 273.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo:

    Their reporting is only about this. It’s not a news organization but a cause organization.

    Lots of corruption surrounds the drilling industry in PA. I’m glad someone is.

    If that makes you think Public Herald is fake, the problem sir, is yours.

  274. 274.

    Elie

    @cleek:

    And MI — but he don care, baby! He jes don care… its about the most superficial tally that the media help him with… No one does the deep down on the Bern. So he can keep his shtick going. As I said, its on him both ways and he aint nearly ready to get the down side of his fame. No one will be there when he whines his way through the press conference about what his wife did with that money and why oh why they can’t show us those tax returns and by the way, why couldn’t he get those donations straight from maxed out and foreign donors? He is such a fool — he has no idea…

  275. 275.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts: You really have no idea what you are talking about.

    Hopefully someone investigating this has at least a trivial knowledge of how wells are drilled and completed.

  278. 278.

    D58826

    @shomi: And the right wing attack ads have not even started on Bernie. He seems to have had, how shall I say it, a colorful past with statements and visits to countries that any number of folks will consider treasonous. There was no percentage in it for Hillary to high light them. The MSM didn’t care because Trump was more exciting and the GOP was quite happy to let Bernie pull down Hillary since they figured it was very unlikely that he would;d be the nominee. If fact the GOP was quite happy to see some of its members vote for Bernie in the open primaries and boost his numbers.

  280. 280.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo:

    You really have no idea what you are talking about.

    Princeton University disagrees with you. As does Stanford. And Mansfield U and Duquesne. And Anthony Ingraffea called my wife a hero.

    You are seriously mistaken. And a jerk as well. Arrogant too. Very much like a troll.

    Good night. This conversation is over.

  281. 281.

    mike in dc

    There will be no messiness at the convention. Clinton will clinch the nomination on the 7th of June. If Bernie keeps talking about trying to persuade the super-delegates, she will wind up getting even more of them, and the previously committed ones will re-affirm their support. The President and Vice-President will endorse the presumptive nominee. Sanders will be boxed in, and his best option will be to reach out to Clinton and negotiate for some concessions(a few policy shifts, some input on the veep pick, a prime speaking slot at the convention) in exchange for his unqualified endorsement, a promise to campaign for the ticket and downticket Dems, and to share his mailing list. Anyone thinking Sanders could withhold explicit support and that somehow he and the Bernie or Busters could be absolved of any and all responsibility for a Trump victory in November is beyond delusional. Beyond that, it would also amplify distrust of the party’s left wing, which would be counterproductive to any efforts to gain greater influence in the future. This is not that difficult to see now.

  282. 282.

    redshirt

    @D58826: There won’t be any right wing attacks on The Bern because they want him to win the primary, for obvious reasons to most. And Hillary has a vested interest at this point in not attacking him, in order to win over his supporters. Bernie’s teflon when it comes to attacks, in yet another inverse to Trump.

  283. 283.

    wuzzat

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: I can see the future history books now: “They would have achieved a lot if they hadn’t spent all their time whining that no one ever told them they had to actually show up to vote. Their many lawsuits against the Constitution were never resolved, but they got some good selfies out of it.”

  284. 284.

    redshirt

    @mike in dc: You have logic, but what would Sanders care if Trump won in November? He’ll most likely be re-elected Senator, and then he can “I TOLD YOU SO” for 6 years solid. Think of how much he could make off speeches!

  286. 286.

    redshirt

    Without the Bernie diehards over the last hour, unfortunately odds of a Tbogg have dropped dramatically. We’re now at 35% probability.

  287. 287.

    patroclus

    @mike in dc: I agree that there will be nomination-relevant messiness at the convention, but I suspect that there will be some platform controversy including, probably a minority report on some of its planks. I simply cannot imagine Cornel (and others) agreeing to support all planks; that’s just not their modus operandi. The compromise is that Clinton has appointed 6 members, Sanders 5 and DWS gets the other 4 members. Starting soon, they’ll begin to work out a platform and there’ll be broad agreement on most points, but not all. And if the minority (which will almost assuredly be the Bernie members) want to, they can certainly bring a motion, which, if it gets enough votes, they can present to the full convention. This has happened many times at the Convention, and unless Bernie completely shuts it down, to me, it seems likely this time. Really, it’s not a lot of “messiness” – it can be voted down. But at that time, we could see some Nevada-style antics from the Bernie delegates at that time. negotiations can prevent all that, but right now, I think it’s quite possible.

  288. 288.

    mike in dc

    @redshirt:

    If Trump wins, Sanders will be in the minority, and if he contributed in some way to the ticket’s defeat, Chuck Schumer will make life very difficult for him.

  290. 290.

    PsiFighter37

    @Rick: I wish he would sell the Jets while he is at it. Asshole has done nothing good for the team.

  291. 291.

    redshirt

    @mike in dc: How could he? Again, in a hypothetical Trump win one also assumes the Repukes hold on to the Senate and House, so what could Schumer do to Bernie that would really matter? He’ll get his crank soapbox and that’s all that matters to him, I suspect.

  293. 293.

    dmsilev

    @mike in dc: I’m cautiously optimistic. By the time the convention rolls around, we’ll have had six or seven weeks where Clinton is the presumptive nominee. Time heals many wounds. Of course, that depends in large part on Sanders not doing something stupid after the end of primary season on the 14th.

  294. 294.

    patroclus

    @mike in dc: Possibly, but the real question would be how would Dick Durbin, the presumptive Majority Leader, deal with him.

  298. 298.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @redshirt: hey, I’m doing what I can, and I’ll say if Bernie! hath wrought this, he actually accomplished something

    Democrats on Capitol Hill are discussing whether Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down as Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairwoman before the party’s national convention in July.
    Democrats backing likely presidential nominee Hillary Clinton worry Wasserman Schultz has become too divisive a figure to unify the party in 2016, which they say is crucial to defeating presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump in November.
    Wasserman Schultz has had an increasingly acrimonious relationship with the party’s other presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders, and his supporters, who argue she has tilted the scales in Clinton’s favor.
    “There have been a lot of meetings over the past 48 hours about what color plate do we deliver Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s head on,” said one pro-Clinton Democratic senator.

  300. 300.

    PatrickG

    @redshirt@patroclus: :

    Is Bob in Portland still around or did he finally slink off back to Russia? Do I need to look into a mirror and say Putin three times, or what?

    Just trying to help with the TBU.

  301. 301.

    patroclus

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s a fantasy re-telling of the War of the Roses, so you already know pretty much what happens. The only difficulty is figuring out who is who – I’ve read the books and have watched all the shows and I still haven’t figured out who Elizabeth (York) and Henry Tudor are (but I have my guesses).

  307. 307.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @redshirt:

    what could Schumer do to Bernie that would really matter?

    Move Bernie’s office to a closet in the basement of the Senate office building.

  310. 310.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Emma: give Bernie! a trophy, get rid of someone who’s broadly unpopular (IIRC Obama doesn’t much like her either) and get someone in that role who’s good on TV (she’s horrible, IMHO). In the past they’ve split the position between an elected pol and campaign pro– I think it would be great if they gave Warren that public role and turned the recruiting and organizing over to someone else. I’ve always thought Paul Begala was the smartest and the least apparatchik-y of the Clintonites…

  311. 311.

    patroclus

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Well, Durbin could potentially strip him of seniority or not appoint him to the committees he’s built seniority on (as a Democratic Caucus member) or Durbin could subject his re-appointment to a vote of the Caucus. But that’s not likely at all based on their conversations of the earlier this week. Durbin talked with Bernie and reported that there was no chance whatsoever of Bernie going rogue.

  312. 312.

    amk

    There is a reason rethugs control power in both the houses, state leges and govnorships while the ‘big tent’ dems whine from the sidelines.

  316. 316.

    Really?

    Has my mind become so clouded by legal mari-huana that some previously reasonable commentators are now expressing the lengths/depths to which they shall do something that..what were we talking about? What subtext?

  319. 319.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: I guess I just have a hard time seeing the difference between Sanders and Trump. They’re both just two old white guys yelling about things that make them angry, with no real accomplishments, no history of following through and getting things done, no real plan.

  320. 320.

    Really?

    @redshirt: See that’s the thing. I credit this blog for being part of my political awakening so fifteen years on, well here we are. I’m just glad whatshisbucket still has that riff for the NBA playoffs.

  323. 323.

    NR

    @Jack the Second:

    I guess I just have a hard time seeing the difference between Sanders and Trump.

    Really? You can’t see the difference between the guy who wants to end “too big to fail” and give us single-payer health care, and the guy who rants about brown people and Muslims?

    I almost think you must be trolling here.

  325. 325.

    Anne Laurie

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Sanders keeps this shit up, Al Giordano’s threatened to run against him in 2018.

    Even a good failed presidential candidate will have his hometown support plummet — I was around to watch it happen to both Mike Dukakis and John Kerry. And Sanders has had 20 years of free-riding the VT Democratic ticket without a primary challenger; that can change.

    Bernie will be limping home after Philadelphia, if not sooner. He winds down like a grown-up and encourages his followers to vote against Trump if they can’t bear to vote for you-know-who, he’ll still have his Senate platform. He keeps encouraging the most vehement / least sensible to #BernItDown, there will be hundreds of thousands of people all over the country looking to fund any Democratic challenger come 2018. Doesn’t have to be Giordano… there aren’t so many “cheap” Senate seats available that a real Democrat won’t step up.

  326. 326.

    patroclus

    @NR: So why do you support Trump, troll? Do you support deporting 11 million people? Do you support building a wall, troll? Please enlighten us. I’ve been waiting for hours for you to answer some simple questions.

    Virginia beat OU, by the way.

  328. 328.

    patroclus

    @NR: C’mon troll, why the johnny-one-note on favorability ratings? I’d like to see you address one issue. Do you support building a wall, troll? Do you support deporting millions, troll? Do you ever answer questions? Or is just dishing it out that makes you tick? Come on troll – address the issues. Do you support breaking up “too big to fail” banks? Do you support demonizing Hispanics and Muslims? Or are you going to avoid the issues like usual? Why do you support Trump?

  330. 330.

    Elie

    @patroclus:

    Well I keep seeing your reasurrances but alls I also keep seeing is the Bern doing the opposite of what you say. Are you sure you aren’t part of the Bernie spin team reassuring the infidels giving a cover to those who really truly have no intention to do any of that reconciliation shit. From his behavior, there is absolutely no evidence that what you say is true. Everytime you say he is ready and will do kumbaya, I read an interview where he blasts Hillary and/or the Democrats and promises to go to the matresses — that the convention is gonna be “messy”. If I am trying to understand a deal, I expect signs of good faith, don’t you? I keep seeing and hearing an asshole who is leaving some dents on our situation against Trump. I am feeling more that I want to see a little more of a “down payment” on the trust thing.

  331. 331.

    burnspbesq

    There is one aspect of the platform committe setup that worries me.

    I expect those meetings to be a sieve, and I expect West to the the biggest source of leaks. He will take every opportunity to tell Tales of Clintonian Perfidy, thereby re-igniting the Berniacs’ outrage on a daily basis.

    Somebody want to tell me I’m over-thinking this?

  333. 333.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts:

    Ah, that explains it. Can’t tell you how many petroleum engineers I’m met from Princeton and Stanford! Face it , you wouldn’t know a pup joint from a puppy.

  335. 335.

    patroclus

    @Elie: lol I’m definitely not on Bernie’s team. What his supporters did in Nevada was one of the most reprehensible things I’ve ever seen. Death threats, doxxing Roberta Lange, who is merely a day manager at a restaurant, threatening her grandchildren?? Trolling blogs? Making the fascist’s case for him? But I do trust Durbin, and if he said that’s what Bernie said, then I believe him. But you’re right – Bernie has CLEARLY not called off his wolves as yet, and he needs to. I’ve been giving him until the primary is over, and then I’ll agree with your position now. But his trolls should stop with the demonization now – that’s what I’ve been doing with NR, who seems to prefer Trump to sanity. My position right now is Bernie’s a good Senator and I want him to stay there and I want him to lose gracefully and with aplomb. His supporters (at least some of them) deserve no quarter though.

  337. 337.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: Yeah, the old men yell about different things, but does it matter when neither of them really have a plan or the ability to follow through? Bernie Sanders can’t will a single-payer healthcare system into existence and Donald Trump can’t will a wall across the Mexican border into existence.

  339. 339.

    PatrickG

    @burnspbesq:

    Either:
    (a) The platform fights will be too picayune and detail-oriented to engender outrage outside of the (hopefully) irrelevant die-hards who would never vote Democratic anyway, regulating such leaks to Splash-of-the-Day news coverage with little impact or
    (b) Your scenario will play in my nightmares tonight.

    Actually, that could be a “both” instead of an “either”.

  340. 340.

    NR

    @redshirt: By making the case to the public about its benefits, by working with allies in Congress who support it, and working to either convert or replace people in Congress who are opposed.

  342. 342.

    NR

    @Jack the Second: You know that a hypothetical President Hillary will face the exact same obstacles as a hypothetical President Sanders would, right? In fact, a hypothetical President Hillary will likely face more, since the only way she’ll get elected is by a razor-thin margin that hinges on a swing state or two, meaning she will have no mandate and no coattails, while Sanders has the potential to do far better.

  343. 343.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @burnspbesq: @PatrickG: i think West will generate all the trouble/seek out all the attention he can, but I’m hoping the platform is too inside baseball to get much play outside of the cable/internet echo chambers.

    I think it says a lot about Bernie! and his ‘Revolution’ that he’s endorsed more candidates for the platform committee than for the House. And shit-all for the Senate.

  345. 345.

    patroclus

    @NR: Why won’t he just point to favorability ratings and approval rankings? Some people spend all their lives obsessing on those and never answering questions about anything else. Some people never ever talk about issues at all! Some people defend Trump and his approval ratings all the time! Some people accuse supporters of the Democratic nominee of actually supporting her opponent! Some people think the word “troll” is childish name-calling! Why couldn’t a President Sanders act like those people?

  347. 347.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo: You love to insult people you know nothing about.

    Says a lot about you as a human being.

    You never checked out our website, and have no clue what we do. And you’re immediately dismissive of investigative work that you think is biased without even looking at their body of work.

    Methinks your salary depends upon your ignorance.

    which says even more about you as a human being.

    I’m tickled pink I don’t know you in real life.

    We’re not petroleum engineers asshole. We’re trying to force the state of PA to do something with this industry’s legacy of 300,000 plus orphaned abandoned oil and gas wells. But you go on being your arrogant dickhead little self and look down your nose at people you have no fucking clue about.

    Asshole isn’t worth the effort

  348. 348.

    Really?

    (begin booze:)Ah come on, I’m housesitting for the folks I’ve already spoiled mum’s canary with broccoli/lettuce. He likes to sing and annoy the neighbors when it’s nice out. Anyway, I’m glad we have the “stronk vomen” thing going.

    Hell, most of Warframe’s best are Nyx, Nova, Mesa, Zephyr, Ivara, et al.

    I love those JAQoffs that are so threatened by stronk females. Hell, my hero was/is Ripley. <Booze/)

  349. 349.

    Elie

    @patroclus:

    Ok — but I am not so sure that he is such a “good senator”. I don’t think much has been asked of him and he has coasted along, caucusing with the Democrats and doing other nice things when it suited him but always critical and on the edge — as when he wanted to primary Obama. The guy has always been reckless but it never mattered. Now it does and I am in favor of a very short rope for a wolf who has been using sheeps clothing to “get by”. I also just don’t like what I see of his character (or his wife’s by the way). I have not seen anything but a narcissistic and destructive self promoter who unfortunately should have been given a heavy burden of scrutiny very early on and was not because of that sheeps clothing thing he had going. I give him very little benefit of the doubt and besides all the goody goody he so call promises, I want to see some results OR… If it appears he is not going to counsel his people correctly and give Hillary support, this should be addressed at the appropriate time in ways he won’t forget … While its true Bernie has made many advocates, it should be noted he may have made as many people who seriously do not like him. He was neutral to me at the beginning of this. Not so now.

  352. 352.

    redshirt

    @Elie: Yeah, he sucks. But I hope he maybe made people more comfortable about challenging dominant economic positions in our country. That’s always a good thing.

  355. 355.

    Xboxershorts

    @chopper:

    wow, Princeton came to talk specifically to you about how drilling works? gotta say I’m pretty impressed with that.

    No…they came to us because we are extremely proficient in hunting down abandoned oil and gas wells.

    Do you live to jump into the end of a conversation and keep the troll rolling ?

  356. 356.

    Jack the Second

    @NR: So if no hypothetical president will by able to accomplish anything, good or bad … doesn’t it come down to how enjoyable it will be to savor the failure of the vast right-wing conspiracy to prevent Hillary Clinton’s presidency? Twenty-five years of wasted effort, millions of man-hours investigating baseless lies and rumors, thousands of hours of televised denunciations, billions of dollars … all wasted.

  357. 357.

    patroclus

    @Elie: Well, he voted for the ACA, which was enacted only because there were precisely 60 votes. He voted against the Iraq war; he voted for Dodd-Frank; he voted for the Card Act; he voted for Lily Ledbetter, he engineered the most recent GI Bill, he voted against Gramm-Leach-Bliley; he voted against the CFTC Modernization Act. He’s got a lot in his favor and before his supporters went berzerk, he was actually a good presidential candidate. The new paradigm is that insurgents, with crowd-funding and the ability to raise money on-line, can go all the way to the end of the primary season. Obama established that precedent and the Obama-Clinton race established the new norm. What we’re used to is candidates dropping out once it becomes clear they aren;t going to win and their money dries up. Now, the new model is for candidates to have the ability to last until June. We just have to be more patient and let them come to the realization that it’s better to go after the Republicans than criticize Dems. Clinton learned that lesson in 2008; Bernie is only beginning to learn that lesson now. And, unfortunately, some of his more rabid supporters aren’t learning that lesson at all.

  358. 358.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @NR: yup, Bernie’s unbeatable as long as no one runs against him. I’m sure Trump would follow the same pat-on-the-head strategy Clinton has had to. And then there’s the whole thing where Bernie gets to decide which votes count!

    you really are one dimwitted little fuck

  360. 360.

    chopper

    @Xboxershorts:

    No…they came to us because we are extremely proficient in hunting down abandoned oil and gas wells.

    so how does that give you expertise in how drilling actually works? i mean, just because i know how to find abandoned houses doesn’t automatically mean I know how they’re built. sounds like you brought up Princeton in a bad attempt at namedropping.

  361. 361.

    AnotherBruce

    @NR: Hillary Clinton is polling 18% higher than Bernie in California. You do understand that our national elections are determined by state to state elections, don’t you?

  364. 364.

    Xboxershorts

    @chopper:

    so how does that give you expertise in how drilling actually works?

    See…I never once claimed this expertise. Never. Not once. I have more of a clue than the average person. That’s because for 8 years my wife and I have toured the Marcellus shale regions with petroleum engineers. People with Doctorates in this field.
    They come to us because we know the maze that is the PA records at DEP and we know where the secrets are buried.

    I am no petroleum engineer. You’ve mistaken me for that Troll DaveBo…who did accuse me of ignorance. I only claimed I was not entirely ignorant of the process.

  365. 365.

    eemom

    Speaking of disappearing trolls, I tried to ask this and my comment vanished. What did m_c_l*r*n do to get banned?

  366. 366.

    AnotherBruce

    @EBT: Why should the state have to pay for any of it? Wouldn’t Bernie at least have to prove he was harmed by the potential loss of one delegate.

  367. 367.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @NR: no, you be-daddy-issued little dimwit, but you are the one who keeps harping on the idea that Bernie! can beat Trump.

  368. 368.

    NR

    @redshirt: It means people in this site have a different opinion from the rest of the country. That sort of thing happens sometimes.

  370. 370.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @NR: He’s gonna get Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan to give him 60 votes to take over everyone’s health insurance and pass $15,000,000,000,000 trillion dollars in payroll taxes.

    Sure he will.

    Just like they did in deeeeep, deeeeeep blue Vermont.

  371. 371.

    NR

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The polls say he can, and you don’t have anything to contradict them except your own fevered imaginings about how you think the general election will unfold. Which isn’t exactly compelling evidence of anything.

  374. 374.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Xboxershorts: Just because someone disagrees with you and isn’t nice about it doesn’t make that person a troll.

    @eemom: mcl was being himself but a little bit more so one evening. Cole gave him a time-out. I don’t think it was one particular thing; it was cumulative. He hasn’t been back since.

  375. 375.

    chopper

    @Xboxershorts:

    well, davebo accused you of not knowing what you’re talking about when it comes to how wells are drilled and finished, and you were all “oh yeah? tell that to Princeton and Stanford! they came to us for help!”

    which apparently has fuck-all to do with what he was talking about. just bullshit name dropping in an attempt to look like a big shot.

  376. 376.

    NR

    @redshirt: Interesting question.

    I would say they usually matter; however, in a Hillary vs. Trump matchup, they may not matter since voters hate both candidates. In that event, I think the election becomes very chaotic and hard to predict, but I think Trump has the edge because of the natural advantage the opposition party has after the incumbent party has had two terms in the White House.

    But if Trump’s numbers keep trending up and Hillary’s keep trending down…. Well, that’s big trouble.

  377. 377.

    chopper

    @eemom:

    he went on a serious bender, including crazy right wing conspiracies about obama’s early life. cole had to pull the plug.

  379. 379.

    Xboxershorts

    @chopper:

    well, davebo accused you of not knowing what you’re talking about when it comes to how wells are drilled and finished, and you were all “oh yeah? tell that to Princeton and Stanford! they came to us for help!”

    which apparently has fuck-all to do with what he was talking about. just bullshit name dropping in an attempt to look like a big shot.

    Which all started because he wanted to know how drilling fucked up my towns water supply for 6 months.
    Dismissed the investigative journalists doing the ground work, ignored the link I gave him as to the work we do
    and then called me a liar..basically.

    And yes, we have worked with Princeton, and Stanford, and DuQuesne and Mansfield.
    And Anthony Ingraffea really did call my wife his hero.

    And it all is related. Because, you don’t tour the legacy oil fields of PA for 8 years with petroleum engineers from multiple universities without acquiring some knowledge. Which DaveBo would have picked up had he bothered to check out our website, which I specifically asked him to do.

    He was a jerk. And to me….a Troll.

  380. 380.

    patroclus

    @redshirt: Favorability polls are virtually meaningless at this stage; especially when one party is unifying and the other hasn’t yet. Issues are what matters – whether to rein in Wall Street with further reforms like Dodd-Frank, raising the minimum wage, enacting a climate change bill, enforcing marriage equality, civil rights, union rights and women’s rights, an employee free choice act, an immigration bill with citizenship for the dreamers and others, extending the voting rights act, investigating police abuses, building infrastructure, expanding into renewables etc.. Historically, issues always matter and approval ratings follow. If Sanders had continued to argue issues (other than alleged Democratic corruption and how the electoral system is “rigged” – both bogus), he would have done far better. He didn’t; hence he didn’t. He’s about to lose California and New Jersey; he’s losing Washington’s beauty contest tonight.

  381. 381.

    hovercraft

    Bernie won WA caucus 70 something to 20 something his biggest win in state win outside VT less than 30,000 people voted. Tonight Hillary is winning the beauty pageant primary 54 to 46 with over 600,000 votes so far with 75% of the vote in. So much for when more people vote Bernie wins.

  382. 382.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    daveweigel ‏@ daveweigel 8m8 minutes ago
    So far Clinton is winning the meaningless WA primary with 353,244 votes. Total turnout in WA caucus: Around 230,000.

    or what you said, @hovercraft:

  384. 384.

    patroclus

    @hovercraft: I wonder how the berserk Bernie supporter feels now after threatening to cut out Congressman McDermott’s tongue for endorsing Hillary and failing to follow the will of the people when it turns out that Washington supports Hillary after all.

  385. 385.

    chopper

    @Xboxershorts:

    Which all started because he wanted to know how drilling fucked up my towns water supply for 6 months.

    that’s all well and good, but don’t bullshit the rest of us with “Princeton! And Stanford!” in an attempt to look like you know a particular subject like how drilling works. people are going to call you out for being a name dropping schmuck when they find out it doesn’t have shit to do with said particular subject.

    I figure I’ve explained this enough times so I’m going to bed.

  386. 386.

    Xboxershorts

    @chopper:

    well, davebo accused you of not knowing what you’re talking about when it comes to how wells are drilled and finished,

    One final PS….

    JKLM admitted to dumping a 23,000+ gallon mix of F485 drilling soaps and water into the well, which they admitted was uncased, in an effort to recover their bit. This water was pulled from a local creek and trucked there in Brine Waste trucks. This is no normal aquifer, it feeds 2 public water supplies, the town and the hospital, and numerous private wells.

    This, above, is the part DaveBo was dismissive of.

    F485 is 10% Isopropanol and 90% proprietary and secret.

    The correct test for the presence of this and other surfactants in drinking water is the MBAS test. 6 Months after the event, our town water still tested positive, albeit well below the 5mcg/L that EPA designates as safe for drinking water. But…It was not present before.

    These are the statements I made. And this, plus our work with SaveourstreamsPA, is why I support a halt to shale gas drilling.

  387. 387.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Josh Marshall ‏@ joshtpm 1m1 minute ago
    Trump attacking female Latina GOP gov at rally in her state shows impulse control issues that will doom Trump.

    Martinez had plans to clean out her Tivo tonight and couldn’t make Trump’s rally

  389. 389.

    hovercraft

    @patroclus:
    But, but, but when he has time to spend in a state and campaigns then he wins, since he hasn’t been there since March, the voters forgot about him, so this doesn’t count. The caucus voters were more passionate so their votes count more, so the superdelegates must follow their will, not this mob of uninformed voters.

  390. 390.

    hovercraft

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Since her drunk hotel episode a few months back her poll numbers have taken a hit, she was trying to distance herself from the orange one, and like the mature adult he is he responded with great class.

  393. 393.

    cmorenc

    @goblue72:

    Why is Sanders insisting on a debate in California with Clinton? Its not like Clinton insisted on a debate with Obama in 2008 in California when she was behind in the delegate count?

    At least a substantial part of the problem is the proposed host: Fox News. I can’t imagine why Clinton might be suspicious that Fox might have a perverse rooting incentive toward Bernie during that debate. After all, they’re the only network that’s “fair and balanced”, amirite?

  395. 395.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Omnes Omnibus: My point was that John may have changed his mind since the mention of the name throws the comment into moderation. Then again, FYWP.

  397. 397.

    eemom

    I think, but I’m not sure, that when Cole time outs someone they have to ask to come back.

  398. 398.

    columbusqueen

    @NR: Good luck, buddy–I wouldn’t hold my breath that all this will magically happen. Bernie ain’t Gandalf, no matter how much you want that.

  400. 400.

    Cacti

    @cmorenc:

    At least a substantial part of the problem is the proposed host: Fox News. I can’t imagine why Clinton might be suspicious that Fox might have a perverse rooting incentive toward Bernie during that debate. After all, they’re the only network that’s “fair and balanced”, amirite?

    Bernie’s been like a toddler acting out for the past month or so.

    No need to validate it with free publicity.

  401. 401.

    Ella inNew Mexico

    IT’S THE GENERAL ELECTION, STUPID

    Staaaaaaaaahp with the Sanders fixations. Trump is the real enemy. Pivot.

  403. 403.

    J R in WV

    @Davebo:

    Yes, they used to frack the bottom of their oil wells, to create a space for the crude oil to accumulate. This is totally not the same thing they do to access gas in the oil shales.

    There they drill horizontal wells along the narrow seams of shale, and then they force millions of gallons of (clean fresh) water with proprietary chemical mixes in it to help it penetrate the crevices created when the high pressure liquid nitrogen hits the hot rock the horizontal wells penetrate. There’s also special sand crystals in the mix to hold the cracks open to allow the gas to bleed toward the horizontal wells.

    The drilling technique creates a web of penetrable openings throughout and completely through the bedrock underlying the farms, communities and factories on the surface above. Often the fracking pressure causes crevices to reach clear up to aquifers where communities’ drinking water is pumped from, and then you get dissolved pressurized natural gas in the water systems, fizzing out like soda pop, only flamable.

    I have lit kitchen faucets with a bic lighter, to see a torch boiling out of the faucet into the sink. All new different stuff from fracking the way it used to be done. I live in an old (1919) oil and gas patch, and we used to see convoys of liquid nitrogen trucks and special mud in trucks parked on the shoulders of the only 4-lane road into this area. Waiting for the cue to convoy to the new well, to frack the bottom of it.

    Now they need acres of flat ground to bring the much larger group of trucks to frack the horizontal wells running across the country thousands of feet underground. Like new jet liners, not like the old propeller-dfiven airplanes, the new Cadillac Sedans with turbocharged engines not like your grandpa’s old boat Seville.

    This stuff is new, different, and dangerous.

    We’re talking about killing and rendering poisonous huge aquifers of healthy clean fresh water. They aren’t making any new aquifers of drinking water, and once we’ve used up all of them, we won’t have anything clean and safe to drink.

    You won’t have anything to drink – I’m 65 and disabled, I’ll be dead by the time they finish this job up, so I won’t know or care by then. But your kids? They’ll be having stillbirths from drinking polluted water with oil fractions in it. Not to mention kidney death from it.

  407. 407.

    WarMunchkin

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I realize now that as much as I dislike DWS on policy and recruitment, I don’t really see value in this move. You can’t negotiate with terrorists – not “don’t” negotiate, “can’t”. There is literally nothing that the Democrats can do to get the Sanders supporters on board. They’ll just want more heads on more platters. If we want to replace DWS on our own terms, fine. Otherwise, just make the argument for Democrats, fight the two front war that we’re going to have to fight and push through despite the now at-least conceivable convention riots.

  409. 409.

    AnotherBruce

    @srv: Certainly, Trump doesn’t underestimate how smart Trump is. And that, my friend is his biggest weakness.

  410. 410.

    Anne Laurie

    @WarMunchkin:

    If we want to replace DWS on our own terms, fine.

    DWS has been saying, for months, that she intends to give up heading the DNC when her term ends in January 2017.

    Demanding that she be fired OR ELSE!!! St. Bernie will fire her on DAY ONE (in January 2017) proves — once again — that either someone wasn’t paying attention, or that they’re showboating. Maybe both!

  411. 411.

    Damien

    Just doing my part for the TBU, and haven’t read a damn thing, but let me see if I can summarize:

    Everyone with some damn sense: Man, Bernie is really fucked. I wish he’d stop comparing his multimillion vote, centidelegate loss to Hillary Clinton to her loss in 2008 when she actually led the popular vote when she dropped out. I wish he would stop shitting on the joint fundraising, since millions are being disbursed to the states right now to fund downticket races. I wish he’d stop shitting on the process itself, which allowed a one-term no name get elected president, and was reformed specifically to allow insurgents greater ability to compete after Jesse Jackson demanded it.

    Bob in Portland: If you villagers freeze frame right here you can clearly see the reverse vampires, in conjunction with the RAND Corporation and the DNC, steal the election from Bernie!

    JHB: Bernie has got the YOUTH on his side! The future of the party is only energized by the Wise Old Man, get out of your ivory towers and out here with the Real People. Hillary doesn’t care, doesn’t REALLY care like Bernie, because she’s rich.

    Dollared: Hillary supporters really aren’t helping unite the party, unlike their corrupt candidate.

    NR: *Joy Division plays* Hillary is the only candidate who could lose to Donald Trump. Polling. She won’t be able to call him a sexist, Donald’s already defused that perfectly. Polling. Rain. Pain. Doom. We are doomed. *Mope intensifies*

  413. 413.

    opiejeanne

    @hovercraft: And it was an open primary, but I think that number might be wrong. In the caucus I believe the total participation was around 230,000. The primary today was nearly triple that; heck, the Bernie votes were over 300k alone.

  416. 416.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts:

    Look guy, I did check your website. As you’ll recall I found it on my own, not knowing it was yours (if indeed it is) but I was pretty sure. No I didn’t spend hours reviewing it. I read two articles and it was clear that whoever wrote them really had little knowledge about how oil wells are drilled much less the fracking process.

    Obviously they are passionate about the subject which in way makes this post appropriate for our little discussion seeing as it’s about Berniebots who are passionate but somewhat clueless.

    And again, if there was never another 2,000 lb super bag of porcelain frack sand imported to the US from China I’d be ecstatic! But you’re not going to get a total ban on fracking. Certainly not by making a fool of yourself on the internet. At best you may be able to get more transparency about what’s being used and the methods involved.

    This all started when you talked about a house blowing up in your town and a water supply that was tainted. I was curious because had that happened it would have been extremely news worthy. But as far as I can tell it hasn’t happened and all the Phd’s from Princeton or Stanford can’t change that fact.

  417. 417.

    Davebo

    @Xboxershorts:

    These are the statements I made. And this, plus our work with SaveourstreamsPA, is why I support a halt to shale gas drilling.

    No, those aren’t at all the statements you made.

    Just had to watch homes blow up down the road and our town’s water supply get polluted with drilling mud and soaps.

    Now since I’m pretty sure you’re full of it on the whole “watch homes blow up down the road” and since, if your town’s water supply was polluted with drilling mud and soaps that has nothing to do with fracking I’d say you’re a passionate putz.

    BTW, the well used by your town to access that same aquifer was drilled using drilling mud and soaps.

  419. 419.

    DCF

    BREAKING: Colorado Democratic Party Admits Error, Bernie Sanders Could Win Majority Of Delegates
    http://bigbluevision.com/2016/05/24/bernieorbust-message-establishment/
    If Sanders lands one Colorado superdelegate — two are still undecided and others are facing significant pressure — he could win the state’s delegation.’
    What is most controversial about this issue isn’t the fact that a mistake was made, but the fact that a mistake was made and the Colorado Democratic Party tried to cover it up rather than fix it. The Sanders campaign was not informed about the miscount, while the Clinton campaign was.

  422. 422.

    John D.

    @DCF:

    BREAKING: Colorado Democratic Party Admits Error, Bernie Sanders Could Win Majority Of Delegates

    “Breaking”? He won a majority of delegates in CO the night of the first caucus. I guess you can phrase a certainty as “could” but usually you would use the word “has” instead. Are you that unsure of Sanders’ ability to close the deal?

  423. 423.

    Xboxershorts

    @Davebo: It’s easy to come to the conclusion that someone’s just talking shit on an internet forum, but that wasn’t me. These and more are real time impacts that have hurt people in this area. No doubt that thousands of people know the mechanics of drilling a well and bringing it online much better than me. But there’s a whole other area of pertinence that goes into the process that involves permitting and logistics and geology. When we worked with Princeton, it was to assist with locating orphaned abandoned wells and also properly abandoned wells which would be categorized and then measured for emissions. A study financed in part, by the oil and gas industry. And we were recommended because we have that expertise when it comes to locating records, old records, long forgotten. And that’s important in PA, because the Bradford oil field (and others) have been drilled more times than a 5 dollar coke whore. And the Bradford oil field sits right above the Marcellus. Which makes new drilling even more hazardous. (This is how 2 homes blew up in Bradford, PA).

    You didn’t know this, and you didn’t know us. We do important work, and we are on first name basis with good reputations among those drilling outfits that enjoy making money by plugging wells as well as with DEP officials within the state government. We attend meetings and help shape regulations. And we do this because we stay on topic.

    I’m very proud of the work SaveourstreamsPA is doing. We are making a difference. And it was frustrating being told I don’t know what’s going on. I’m sure that came across in some of my comments, I apologize for that. But we really do have a real sense of the industry here in PA. And we will continue to do what we do best. Work to hold this industry accountable.

  425. 425.

    Miss Bianca

    @DCF: Oh, God, not this bullshit again. Right now, I’m so rooting for all the CO super delegates to say “fuck you” to BS and go for HRC just on principle. Because, you know…that’s their prerogative. They get to vote for the candidate of their choice.

  428. 428.

    WarMunchkin

    But seriously, the cyberbullying of Democratic Party officials has to stop, and the way to do that isn’t by yielding to the demands of the bullies. That’s not going to get them to stop.

  429. 429.

    Andy

    State Dept. watchdog: Clinton violated email rules
    The inspector general report is the latest headache for Clinton in the scandal over her exclusive use of private email for State business.
    Politico.

  430. 430.

    Underpaid Propagandist

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Again, Brooklyn was full of racial strife, segregation, poverty, environmental horrors and crumbling schools when Sanders took off for Vermont. Why do you support a member of the Rich White Man’s Revolutionary Socialist Party of Tiny Underpopulated Vermont?

  432. 432.

    Elie

    BTW, Hillary won the Washington state primary — you know, the state where the caucuses “won” for Bernie with obviously a minority of the voters and gave his 75% of the delegates that he does not deserve. The caucuses are not representative. We can line that up with Bernie’s other successes in caucuses and wonder….

  433. 433.

    Cacti

    @Elie:

    BTW, Hillary won the Washington state primary — you know, the state where the caucuses “won” for Bernie with obviously a minority of the voters and gave his 75% of the delegates that he does not deserve. The caucuses are not representative. We can line that up with Bernie’s other successes in caucuses and wonder….

    Yep. Bernie’s “Washington mandate” is pure fiction. Over 661,000 people voted in the non-binding primary vs. 230,000 in the official caucus.

  435. 435.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Miss Bianca

    Oh, God, not this bullshit again.

    Those were precisely my words when I saw this ENTIRE POST, much less yet another pissing war for 1 delegate in yet another state.

    We just gotta let all this go, stop giving the minutiae the attention it doesn’t deserve.

    Meanwhile, I’m LOVING all the pushback against Trump from Clinton and her surrogates. THAT’S what I think we all need to be focusing on, and let the Sanders crowd have their little delegate battles all by their lonesome selves. :-)

  436. 436.

    Miss Bianca

    @Cacti:

    Yep. Bernie’s “Washington mandate” is pure fiction. Over 661,000 people voted in the non-binding primary vs. 230,000 in the official caucus.

    You know, that there is a sign of a fucked-up system. Primaries *and* caucuses? One involves far fewer participants but that’s the one that’s binding?

  438. 438.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Miss Bianca:

    You know, that there is a sign of a fucked-up system.

    Totally fucked up and incredibly confusing, especially to less experienced or informed voters who next time might decide it’s just not worth their time to vote.

    That’s an example of what I mean when I say I support a lot of the reform ideas Sander’s has been bringing to the forefront. The rules have been in place for a long, long time, so whining about them is silly. But they’re stupid, un Democratic rules and we need to fix them.

  439. 439.

    Elie

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    Hear Hear! And Lordy, is this going to be ugly and depressing but we have to tackle this monster. To me the monstrousness is about the number of so called “normal” people who see this horrible monster clown as any kind of leader. I tell you, a certain faith in the common sense of people died when that jackass got nominated by the Republicans… This is on THEM — not him.. THEM.

  440. 440.

    chopper

    @Xboxershorts:

    meh. i saw someone throwing a childish snit in response to criticism and called them on it. it happens.

    some people respond to criticism like adults. some don’t.

  442. 442.

    terry chay

    @cmorenc: The Bernie Campaign has 6 million left as of April 30th. I think their chest is a bit barer than $6 million right now.

    Agree on the reason for initiating the recount. He already doesn’t have a chance so the only win condition is flipping the superdelgate count which is predicated on the mistken belief in “momentum.” Never mind that Hillary had the “momentum” at the end of 2008 and it didn’t count for squat.

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