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I thought this was a parody at first, but now I think it’s actually real. (This election season has Poe’d even seasoned cynics):

like for victory

Found it by following a link from a post at Booman’s joint about the upcoming March on the DNC, which is totally gonna happen, y’all.

Any thoughts on how much that kind of crap might help the Orcs capture the White House? My guess is that it will be a fart in a whirlwind like the PUMA phenomenon. Just wait until President Obama weighs in…

Open thread!

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  2. 2.

    agorabum

    It’s one thing for the ignorant to say things in May, but by November, when every crypto-nazi has loudly and proudly endorsed Trump for his crypto-nazi tendencies, those who say “no difference between the parties” and are not just trolling will be few and far between. And obviously still ignorant. Jill Stein, I’m looking at you…

  3. 3.

    piratedan

    I dunno, the GOP appears to be able to ignore hundreds of millions of Americans when it comes to even holding a Supreme Court Justice hearing, not sure how this is going to matter to an organization that has already held multiple debates and had millions of votes already cast… but sure, knock yourselves out I guess. Keyboard commandos unite!

  4. 4.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    The amusement factor only grows once you realize Bernie and Hillary are kissing and making up after June 7th.

  6. 6.

    Kropadope

    I think it will be fine. It should just be handled with as little acrimony as possible and in the end it’s good not looking like a party of lock-step automatons. Most Bernie supporters will ultimately sign on and just a little rancor will be one of the many, many ways Dems can highlight that they have a big tent.

  10. 10.

    Kropadope

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    The amusement factor only grows once you realize Bernie and Hillary are kissing and making up after June 7th.

    Hot, I hope they get it on film; close up, high-def.

  11. 11.

    dmsilev

    If we reach 15 million likes before July 25th
    Bernie Sanders WILL WIN the Democratic Nomination

    Is the Sanders campaign being run by the same people that brought us FarmVille and similar crimes against humanity?

  15. 15.

    JPL

    Earlier I streamed CBSN and they interviewed Jeff Weaver. He refused to attack Clinton on her email. He didn’t sound like someone who wanted to hurt Hillary’s chances.

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    @Kropadope: I think you’re right. Doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at some of the more absurd extremists along the way, exactly as we laughed at the PUMAs 8 years ago.

  19. 19.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I seem to recall the PUMAs’ ‘national convention’ was held at a Ramada in the DC suburbs and the room they rented was too big. “are we really that small a sliver of the party?’

    I wonder if Harriett Christian(son?) is still with us.

  21. 21.

    Kropadope

    @srv:

    while contraband is more likely to be found when a white driver is searched.

    Of course. If black people are being disproportionately pulled over and searched, naturally fewer searches will turn up contraband. I believe this is because if they’re searching a white person, they likely have an actual reason.

  22. 22.

    dmsilev

    @Baud: It’s OK. I’m told that Facebook is biased against conservatives [*], so clearly Facebook is the place to be for unhinged liberals.

    [*] A few kerfuffles ago, a few conservatives flounced off of Facebook and announced that they were creating a conservative alternative. They called it, and I swear to FSM I am not making this up, Reaganbook.

  31. 31.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Getting NFLTG Obama off the sidelines will take care of all of this incredibly stupid infantile childish bullshit. Obama to Trump: YOU SHALL NOT PASS. Like that, Berniebros and your Manbaby Savior.

    Come get your Participation Trophies.

  32. 32.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    Let them like whatever they want as long as they stay off my lawn.

  33. 33.

    PsiFighter37

    Sounds like the kind of crap people who thought Bernie should’ve won New York because he won more counties would post. Sounds like the kind of people who collect gold-wrapped chocolate coins at Easter time and think that they’re actually wealthy.

  36. 36.

    Michael Bersin

    Gee, organizing in all fifty states to identify candidates for the DNC positions, learning the process, then mobilizing supporters to vote for those DNC candidates is just way too difficult. Instead, let’s make posters and circulate them on social media among two dozen of our friends, sign a petition, and dream about a march on the DNC like they had in the 60s. I’m really impressed by their tactical and strategic brilliance.

  42. 42.

    lamh36

    Testing….

    ETA: YAY!!!!! Got my new ISP/Cable installed today! All systems go!

  43. 43.

    oklahomo

    So this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but with the ding of a chain letter arriving on your smartphone.

  44. 44.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    Maybe the United we Stand FB page is just collecting names of the gullible. Likely marks for some future scam.
    I can’t be the only one that thought of doing that.

  46. 46.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Holy god, Hayes a segment up about a vitamin/supplement selling pyramid scam (the Trump Network!) Trump pushed in 2009 (“opt out of the recession!”). I tend to be frequently out-of-sync with the American public… am I crazy in thinking this could be something that sticks to him?

    ETA: tried to find a link to the write up from the Daily Beast– jesus what a fucking mess of a website

  48. 48.

    Bob In Portland

    Okay, one of you, maybe the homophobe, maybe the other guy, predicted our next war would be an all-out assault on Russia, but he may have said that in an attempt to get me angry. I’m guessing maybe the US will insert itself into Armenia, somewhere around there. But there are a whole lot of places to pick from. We’re getting a second base in Africa, so maybe we’ll have a war there. Maybe Iran. Wasserman Schultz is all goosed up for that. Or maybe we can get Vietnam as a proxy against China. There’s a whole world out there that H. Clinton needs to conquer. You may want to play it safe and pick out something from the PNAC agenda that hasn’t been kissed by our military’s lips, or you may go with something exotic, like Tibet.

    Then there’s the color revolution category. Pick which color and which revolution will be first under Clinton. Which regime will the US destabilize?

    The last category is out and out regime change. Who will the next designated bad man be?

    Good luck!

  49. 49.

    SFAW

    I am starting to wonder if there’s a betting pool for all the FPers: the bet being, of course, “How many TBogg-Unit Posts can YOU start?” Of course, it would be a much higher bar if “Bernie Sux!” posts were forbidden. And if Juvenile Hollandaise Bechamel were hit with the ban hammer, that’s 200 comments per thread gone right there, if you count both his and the responses.

    There’s just under two weeks left until the California primary; at three per day, I think that means we can look forward to about 40 more BernieSux posts. Outstanding!

  50. 50.

    Truegster

    I foresee Obama and Bill using high level political mockery making people laugh out roaringly loud at the prospect of Trump as President. Trump will have nothing in response, he’s only a school yard bully. You think it won’t take him down, but speakers like those two can persuade non-interested non-partisans into taking action.

  51. 51.

    germy

    @Kropadope:

    Next thing you know, they’ll be remaking the Bible because it’s too liberal.

    “it is very easy for a camel to go through the eye of a needle! And a rich man entering the kingdom of God? No problem!”

  55. 55.

    oklahomo

    @germy: Just as a needle passes through the eye of a camel, so does a rich man enter the Kingdom of God.

  57. 57.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    @p.a.: “Reaganbook” is the most Colbert-sounding thing I’ve heard in my life. And I’ve heard of Conservapedia, but not the former.

  59. 59.

    hellslittlestangel

    I don’t think 15 million Likes will do it. Where can we send soda can pull-tabs to ensure that Sanders gets the nomination?

  62. 62.

    germy

    @oklahomo:

    “Just as a noodle will not pass through a colander, no liberal will enter the Kingdom of God. Would you like a carton of Camels?”

    book of boehner

  63. 63.

    Betty Cracker

    @lamh36: Awesome! I suspected that would solve your problem. Now you owe us a link to a Zoe picture…

  64. 64.

    oklahomo

    @germy: Filtered or unfiltered?

    ETA: Wait a minute, I thought the other place was the smoking section…

  65. 65.

    Kropadope

    @germy:

    “it is very easy for a camel to go through the eye of a needle! And a rich man entering the kingdom of God? No problem!”

    The first half of this is really key to truly key to understanding the R mindset. The justification MUST be completely irrational because if the true reality is even faintly acknowledged, the whole house of cards tumbles.

  66. 66.

    germy

    @hellslittlestangel: I’m saving string for the effort.

    On his deathbed, Morris Zelig tells his son that life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering and the only advice he gives him is to save string

  67. 67.

    dmsilev

    @Mike J: The more important question, indeed the most important question, is what color will Andrew Sullivan change his newly-resurrected blog to in order to ensure Sanders’ nomination?

  72. 72.

    Kropadope

    @dmsilev:

    The more important question, indeed the most important question, is what color will Andrew Sullivan change his newly-resurrected blog to in order to ensure Sanders’ nomination?

    He better hurry, it’s almost too late….

  75. 75.

    Michael Bersin

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I still have the orange t-shirt (somewhere) from Indianola in September of 2003. Yeah, we flooded the Harkin Steak Fry with hundreds of orange t-shirt clad supporters from all across the country. The one little technicality which really mattered was that most of us weren’t Iowa residents and we weren’t going have any direct impact on the outcome of the caucus in January. Funny how experiencing a tiny detail like that colors one’s views on organizing effectiveness.

  77. 77.

    joel hanes

    @Mike J:

    postcards to Craig Shergold

    The classics never go out of style.

    Anyone else remember Canter and Siegel, the “green card lawyers” ?

  78. 78.

    SFAW

    @redshirt:

    Bob’s here. If we can get him and Becnel going I think we could go double TBU. Sky’s the limit!

    As long as they both say “Made it ma! Top of the world!” as the end of whichever thread they pick.

  79. 79.

    Emma

    Am I the only one feeling just a bit sorry for them? The naivete, the sheer disconnect, it’s mindbogglingly sad.

    Are we sure they’re for real?

  82. 82.

    Rand Careaga

    @Kropadope:

    Next thing you know, they’ll be remaking the Bible because it’s too liberal.

    Holy shite, thar’s comedy gold in them thar shills. I’m greatly obliged to you for calling this to my attention.

  84. 84.

    dmsilev

    @joel hanes:

    Anyone else remember Canter and Siegel, the “green card lawyers” ?

    Yep. First major Usenet spamming.

    Am I officially an Old Internet Fart now?

  85. 85.

    dr. bloor

    @agorabum:

    Jill Stein, I’m looking at you…

    Which I strongly suspect is the motive driving her megalomanic crusading at this point.

    The fastest way to get her back to micromanaging recycling in Lexington is to ignore her.

  86. 86.

    rikyrah

    Wisconsin county clerk objects to weekend voting because it gives urban areas ‘too much access’
    25 MAY 2016 AT 15:52 ET

    A Wisconsin county clerk testified in federal court this week that weekend voting should be eliminated because it gave urban areas “too much access” to the polls.

    In a hearing on Tuesday, Republican Waukesha County clerk Kathleen Novack spoke in favor of voting restrictions signed into law by Gov. Scott Walker (R) between 2011 and 2015, which opponents argue suppress the votes of non-whites.

    According to The Cap Times, Novack said that voter ID restrictions and reduced early voting had caused “virtually no problems at all” in Waukesha County, which is about 95 percent white.

    Novack argued that the state should end weekend voting because it gave an unfair advantage to large urban areas, where minorities are more likely to support Democrats.

    “If there’s an office open 30 days versus an office that’s only open 10 work days, there are obviously voters that have a lot more access than someone else,” Novack insisted. “There has to come a point where it’s just giving over-access … to particular parts of the state.”

    When she was asked if some voters had too much access, Novack replied that there was “too much access to the voters as far as opportunities.”

    The county clerk added that long lines in urban areas were actually a sign that voters had enough access to polls.
    “Apparently access is an easy thing or they wouldn’t have long lines,” she opined.

  92. 92.

    Anne Laurie

    @Major Major Major Major: I swear it’s not deliberate! (Nobody tells me about the fun contests…. )

    I actually have a ton of be-mean-to-Bernie stuff that I decided against posting over the last couple months. Main factor in my favor, as far as I can tell, is that I keep a vampire schedule here among all the East-Coast front-pagers, so anyone west of the Mississippi or overseas is most likely to see one of my posts at the top of the blog. And some of the most fervent Sandernistas seem to be on Pacific time…

  93. 93.

    dr. bloor

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Getting NFLTG Obama off the sidelines will take care of all of this incredibly stupid infantile childish bullshit. Obama to Trump: YOU SHALL NOT PASS. Like that, Berniebros and your Manbaby Savior.

    Gandalf, the Really, Really Black.

  95. 95.

    Anne Laurie

    @hellslittlestangel:

    I don’t think 15 million Likes will do it. Where can we send soda can pull-tabs to ensure that Sanders gets the nomination?

    Also recycled greeting cards! Don’t forget the greeting cards!

  96. 96.

    joel hanes

    @dmsilev:

    Am I officially an Old Internet Fart now?

    Maybe.
    Do you already know where The Jargon File lives without googling ?
    Have you ever read The Story of Mel, A Real Programmer ?
    Do you know who closed his postings with the tag line :

    UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS.

  98. 98.

    Bob In Portland

    @SFAW: There really isn’t much point in commenting here. You folks’ bloodlust seems to have doubled. Enjoy. You are about to usher in the Golden Age of Liberalism. I’ll just stand aside and let the true intelligentsia lead our country to glory.

    Good luck, guys.

  101. 101.

    joel hanes

    @rikyrah:

    I believe that Ms. Novack is the one that tabulated the county’s votes on her own PC, and the same one who had to re-report the tally that pushed Scott Walker over the top because she had accidentally left out an entire precinct’s totals, and the same one who stored the electronic voting machines in her own residence for a while.

    The Wisconsin Republican establishment is irredeemably corrupt.

  103. 103.

    jl

    I think very clear signs that HRC and Sanders are already cutting deals for the convention. Witness the formation of the platform committee. DNC approved Sanders’ choices (and I think most of Sander’s choices are very good, though one or two not so good. DNC saw fit to approve all of them though).

    So, Sanders has to manage his political revolution through its first defeat (he lost nomination). I expect a thundering Sanders’ speech at some point that revolutionists don’t quit, they keep on going even if they don’t get all they want the first time around. But then, I think Sanders’ political revolution has a better chance with him as loyal opposition in Senate than with him in the WH. He promised too much too soon, and he would not be able to deliver. He could shout about revolutions from the bottom, and millions of people bothering their House Rep all he wants, but people would get discouraged with their man running the the big house.

    Sad for the deluded die-hard Sanders dead-enders though. Some of them will sit and mope in their bedrooms on election night.

  105. 105.

    Baud

    @jl:

    (and I think most of Sander’s choices are very good, though one or two not so good. DNC saw fit to approve all of them though).

    I thought he only has four picks.

  106. 106.

    Thor Heyerdahl

    @rikyrah:

    because it gave an unfair advantage to large urban areas, where minorities are more likely to support Democrats.

    Holy Christ on a cracker. In other words that whole democracy thing’s a sham then no? Waukesha County must have some of the highest percentage of Depends sales in entire US outside of the Bible Belt.

    This is the exact electoral pestilence we need to be vigilant against.

  107. 107.

    jl

    @Baud: Baud! 2016! got his role at the convention yet?

    I’m looking for a list and will post a link as soon as I find it.

  113. 113.

    Baud

    @jl:

    Not yet. I trying to decide between a prime time speaking role or leading my own March on the DNC.

  114. 114.

    J R in WV

    @Kropadope:

    They already did that, they had to cut out all the Jesus preaching love your neighbor stuff, that shit won’t fly at the megachurchs out in the mid-west and south. Just won’t fly!!!

  115. 115.

    Ruckus

    @efgoldman:
    I’d bet he’s not convinced. Would be nice if he’d figure it out and just leave but it will probably take many more reminders. Too many reminders.

  117. 117.

    Mark B

    What’s the exchange rate between Facebook likes and delegates. Because it looks like Sanders thinks that 10,000 likes is roughly equivalent to one delegate for the convention.

    I feel like it’s that commercial where the lady is pinning photos to her wall, and somebody stands up and says “It doesn’t work like that. None of this works like that.”

    Edit: It should say “That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.”

    livememe.com/r9id6xt

  121. 121.

    SFAW

    @Bob In Portland:
    Oh, quit whining.

    Full of oneself and thin-skinned, excellent combination, you could be Trump’s doppelganger. (Sorry, don’t know how to say “doppelganger” pa Russkiy. Maybe gogol’s wife can help me.)

  130. 130.

    jl

    @Baud: I was hoping Baud! 2016! would be in charge of ‘refreshments’, your campaign’s strong point. Or would be if the big shots would share the good stuff.

    Anyway, this link says Sanders has five picks
    Cornel West
    Bill McKibben
    Deborah Parker
    Keith Ellison
    James Zogby

    Cornel West is (or at least was), a very smart insightful guy, but at this point, in terms of getting something constructive, done, I think Killer Mike might be better. Would prefer a global warming person with more scientific research background and expertise. I did some reading on them. Zogby has been a DNC insider in the past, Parker is a Native-American activist, who from what I read, the Obama WH likes. So they are not all burn-the-place-down types. But others here probably know more about them, and I’d be interested in any information.

    Seizing Chance, Sanders Makes Bold Progressive Picks to Shape DNC Platform
    commondreams.org/news/2016/05/23/seizing-chance-sanders-makes-bold-progressive-picks-shape-dnc-platf…

  134. 134.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Is this your GBCW post?

    “I mean it! Don’t take another step, or I’ll jump! Stay back! Don’t take another step! I’ll do it! Hey! Let go of me!

    Wait! I thought you were trying to save me! Why are you pushing Me-e-e-e-e-e-e- …..” as he drops into the bay.

  138. 138.

    PatrickG

    @Baud:

    Baud, that comment was a priceless gem. I will, however, be suing you for the post-work whiskey that just shot out my nose.

  140. 140.

    dr. bloor

    @jl:

    Cornel West is (or at least was), a very smart insightful guy,

    Was. The “is” part is a raging narcissist slouching toward irrelevance.

  141. 141.

    PatrickG

    @dmsilev:

    The ReaganBook.com domain name is up for sale by HugeDomains.com. After teasing you with the low, low price of $2095 (you can finance in easy payments!), they treat you to testimonials from BigClown.com and YummyFace.com.

    I, also, am not making this up.

  143. 143.

    jl

    @efgoldman: I think I hedged that statement enough (‘or at least was’). Even before he flipped out over Obama, I’m not sure he is the type of person you’d pick to get something built, rather than analyzed or torn down.

    I don’t know much about Ben Jealous.Sanders could have picked him. Anything wrong with him?

  147. 147.

    J R in WV

    @Bob In Portland:

    I use Ms, or Mrs, but that’s 50% more key strokes. Or Hillary, which seems, I dunno, friendly? Hillary Clinton, Madame President… nice.

    Try it, maybe you’ll like it. That’s a chuckle you hear in the background…

  151. 151.

    PatrickG

    @redshirt:

    Still wading through the thread but MY GOD put that man in a straitjacket and ship him to Ukraine already. He can fight the good fight against Nazis there!

    .. or as others have said, that’s one flounce I’d be happy to see stick.

  152. 152.

    jl

    @efgoldman: Jealous has been a big Bernie guy, gave some good intros to Bernie rallies, which I liked better than West’s intros.

  153. 153.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I guess Ben Jealous never called Barack Obama a mascot for Wall St, which tickled Bernie!’s sweet spot

  154. 154.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @efgoldman: The important thing is that whoever wins the Western Conference beats whoever wins the Eastern Conference for the Cup. It’s always a good thing to increase the number of teams that have won Stanley since the last time the Maple Leafs did.

  155. 155.

    jl

    @Mike J: I read that both HRC and Sanders picks had to be cleared by the DNC. So, maybe we should look at the original list of candidates that were offered and how they were winnowed down. Anyone have the the lists as they went through that process?

    And I think it’s time to stop with the mean spirited sniping. (Edit: or does my snark detector need adjustment?)

  157. 157.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @Major Major Major Major:

    You’re right. I’m used to it only being applied to the detached from reality nutjobs on the right. I’m all new to this detached from reality nutjobs on the left. Thanks Bernie for creating the Tea Party of the left – all of the anger and entitlement, but without the smarts and organization to get anyone elected.

  159. 159.

    J R in WV

    And the Conservapedia article about the new conservative people’s translation of the Bibble, the one with all the misleading liberal stuff taken out, it starts out all serious, and then in the second sentence of the article, it brags that their project was the subject of a piece on the Colbert Report !!!! Really!!!

    Go look for yourself, that’s what the link is for!!

  161. 161.

    Baud

    @jl:

    And I think it’s time to stop with the mean spirited sniping.

    Agree. I’m ready to move on to good-natured sniping.

  162. 162.

    Cacti

    Kos got it right.

    The Bernfeelers want a socialist coup of the Democratic Party.

    They want the results of a national primary contest to be disregarded and the second place candidate to usurp the nomination.

    No effing way.

  163. 163.

    Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)

    And don’t forget that anyone can “like”, whether or not they’re of legal age, or citizens of the US, and no one can will be able to tell that you voted with your main and five sock-puppet accounts.

    Yay! The new democracy is totally awesome!

  164. 164.

    Mike J

    @jl: I doubt that anybody was rejected. And no, I wasn’t snarking, and I didn’t think it mean spirited to point out that the campaign with fewer women in it than Donald Trump’s couldn’t find more than one woman for the platform committee.

  167. 167.

    Mnemosyne

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    I’m used to it only being applied to the detached from reality nutjobs on the right. I’m all new to this detached from reality nutjobs on the left.

    I can tell you don’t live in California. Our detached from reality nut jobs on the left have brought back not just one, but two communicable diseases with their anti-vaccine bullshit. We now have annual measles and pertussis (whooping cough) outbreaks. Thanks, leftist nut jobs!

  171. 171.

    Cacti

    @jl:

    Cornel West is (or at least was), a very smart insightful guy, but at this point, in terms of getting something constructive, done, I think Killer Mike might be better.

    Tangible progressive accomplishments spearheaded by Cornel West in the real world:

    …

  172. 172.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @J R in WV:

    Go look for yourself, that’s what the link is for!!

    I did, now I feel the need for a disinfecting shower.

  173. 173.

    jl

    @Mike J:

    ” I doubt that anybody was rejected.”

    I can’t find the link now, but I remember reading that there were originally larger lists, and some were rejected, or at least passed over, by the DNC.
    If anyone has good link on the process, I’d like to see it. Maybe I misremember.

  174. 174.

    Woodrowfan

    @Cacti: Tangible progressive accomplishments spearheaded by Cornel West in the real world:

    The same as the number of wars stopped by demonstrations using big puppets and mimes, alas.

  176. 176.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” I’m ready to move on to good-natured sniping. ”

    You trying to get banned here? Or what?
    At least I know that comments on Baud! 2016! are never snark and never sniping. That one fact is toehold on reality we all can rely on.

  177. 177.

    Cacti

    @Woodrowfan:

    The same as the number of wars stopped by demonstrations using big puppets and mimes, alas.

    Next I suppose you’ll tell me that hashtags don’t change anything.

  179. 179.

    dmsilev

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Conservapedia is a weird place. I mean, ranting and raving about gays and liberals and stuff is all to be expected, but ranting and raving about General Relativity, especially as used by GPS? That’s special.

  180. 180.

    Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)

    @Kropadope: @dmsilev:

    The more important question, indeed the most important question, is what color will Andrew Sullivan change his newly-resurrected blog to in order to ensure Sanders’ nomination?

    He better hurry, it’s almost too late….

    I don’t know about the layout, but I expect an interesting debate between Sully and Cornel over the validity of The Bell Curve.

  181. 181.

    Renie

    @Ramping Up: tRump is definitely a troll and he’s trolling his followers cuz if he ever won, he’s not going to do any of that b.s. he talks about. He only cares about himself and his supporters are just a means to an end.

  182. 182.

    The Blog Dahlia

    @Bob In Portland:

    Okay, one of you, maybe the homophobe

    Everybody’s a homophobe to this fuckin’ guy. And when you ask why, he just up and vanishes. How funny is that.

  184. 184.

    gwangung

    As spiritual leader of progressives, Sanders is perfectly fine. As operational leader…well, let’s say he didn’t get every ones approval and folks will have to live with that.

  186. 186.

    Mnemosyne

    @efgoldman:

    I’m fine with documented medical exceptions, but the problem in CA is that the law allowed parents to not vaccinate based on their feelings about vaccination, which left a loophole the size of NYC when the autism hysteria hit.

  187. 187.

    hovercraft

    I think you are all missing the point here. Social media activity is the true measure of popularity, haven’t you heard the more followers, friends, and re-tweets are the proper way to determine who is winning.
    So getting enough likes will overturn the results so far. It’s about intensity and enthusiasm, not actual votes. The media keeps telling me that Hillary has an enthusiasm problem because she doesn’t have giant rallies, and her supporters don’t swarm anyone who criticizes her (though that would be a full time job given that she is basically criticized every time she is mentioned).
    The revolution is virtual and has already happened, you just don’t realize it yet.

  189. 189.

    dmsilev

    @schrodinger’s cat: It violates their religion. And I’m not even being snarky here; there are some branches of evangelicism that totally reject relativity for theological reasons that I don’t pretend to understand.

  190. 190.

    benw

    @Gin & Tonic:

    This basketball game is sad.

    My kid asked me why they don’t mercy rule it like they do his little league games. Seems like a good idea.

  191. 191.

    jl

    @efgoldman:

    ” What other kind of sniping is there? ”

    I say, my good man, he sniping hunts I’ve been on are very good-natured affairs. High spirits all around and tally ho!

  194. 194.

    Cacti

    @benw:

    My kid asked me why they don’t mercy rule it like they do his little league games. Seems like a good idea.

    No way.

    You play for pay, you take your lumps on the scoreboard.

  197. 197.

    Miss Bianca

    @Bob In Portland: At this point, I almost find myself rooting for “Hillary’s next strike” to be Portland, Bob, on the off chance that it might make you stop yapping about it.

    @SFAW: ETA: I see the intrepid SFAW got there before me. Great minds, etc…then there’s thee and me. ; )

  200. 200.

    Smedley the uncertain

    @JPL: He’ll still walk away saying I changed the agenda… the Platform is mine.
    She will have to recognize that…

  202. 202.

    Cacti

    Other than his ability to call President Obama racially insensitive names, is there a reason the Bernfeelers like Cornel West?

  205. 205.

    Miss Bianca

    @germy: You’re killin’ it too. Yea, it is easier for a camel to pass thru’ the eye of a rich man, than for a needler to enter Heaven.

  207. 207.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @hovercraft:

    So Hillary got 3 million more meat space likes than Bernie, which means she’s losing because reasons.

  208. 208.

    Miss Bianca

    @dr. bloor:

    Gandalf, the Really, Really Black.

    I like to think that after Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White comes Gandalf the Black. The Really, Really, Black.

    @Omnes Omnibus: We couldn’t, couldn’t be that lucky…

  209. 209.

    NonyNony

    @Renie: Keep in mind that for Right To Rise this would be a feature, not a problem. R2 originally showed up here as a Jeb! fan and only switched to Trump in the past couple of weeks when he had no choice.

    But R2R is a troll who likely mainly like Trump solely for his ability to piss off liberals.

  216. 216.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @efgoldman: Hey, what have you got against coins piracy? What did they every do to you, huh?!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  217. 217.

    hovercraft

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    Reasons!!! Not real progressives, uninformed sheeple who have yet to understand. Those 12 million people just need to tilt their heads to the left at just the right angle and they too will see the light. Wake up before it’s too late, the end is nigh.

  226. 226.

    hovercraft

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Well you know the fact that I’m not a Berner means I’m not a true progressive ergo guilty as charged.
    Hopefully this won’t be eaten by gremlins like my last two.

  229. 229.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kropadope: Follow the sparkly thread. It’s a reference to BiP’s tendency to accuse people of homophobia who hath it not, or at least, not apparently to any other eye.

  232. 232.

    hovercraft

    @efgoldman:
    You are all homophobes because you have not embraced the one true hero who can bring rainbows and unicorns and love to us all.

  233. 233.

    Miss Bianca

    @efgoldman: A cheap shot for a cheap laugh, efg. I humbly beg your pardon. I know you don’t *really* want fairies to die. Not even Tinkerbell, for all that she’s a loathsome little article.

    @Kropadope: BiP tends to haul out that accusation on the daytime threads – there are a couple folks who devil him about his putative fondness for a certain part of Tovarisch Putin’s anatomy…and that’s all I’ll say about that.

  235. 235.

    PatrickG

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    efgoldman answered, but I’d like to support that from the source:

    More generally, and also unlike most of physics, the theories of relativity consist of complex mathematical equations relying on several hypotheses. For example, at Hofstra University general relativity is taught as part of an upperclass math course on differential geometry…

    Emphases added, of course.

    ETA: One must note the dig at upperclass math. Fucking third-year elitists!

  237. 237.

    Miss Bianca

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ah, so I really was seeing what I thought I was seeing – for a moment there I was afraid I was pulling it out of my fundament,

  240. 240.

    Kropadope

    @Miss Bianca:

    there are a couple folks who devil him about his putative fondness for a certain part of Tovarisch Putin’s anatomy

    If he’s getting offended about that, maybe he’s actually the homophobe.

  241. 241.

    Soylent Green

    @Miss Bianca: Please stop dissing my fair city. The fact that Bob is making less sense lately than Clint Eastwood talking to a chair has nothing to do with Portland.

  243. 243.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kropadope: you think it’s possible? ; )

    @Soylent Green: Tracking. I was actually thinking as I wrote that how much I love Portland and that my dearest friend from high school lives there. I cannot hold BiP against the Rose City. Your pardon!

  244. 244.

    divF

    unlike most of physics, the theories of relativity consist of complex mathematical equations

    Ahem. James Clerk Maxwell would like to have a word ? (Among others.)

    ETA: It’s them funny backwards 6’s that really bother the conservatives.

  245. 245.

    Matt McIrvin

    @schrodinger’s cat: The fringe right has had objections to relativity for a long time. Of course, the Nazis always had contempt for it as degenerate Jewish science, and I suspect that today there’s a certain amount of resentment of Einstein’s image as an internationalist peacenik.

    But some of the libertarian science-fiction-fan types don’t like relativity because it places a speed-of-light limit on space travel, so they’re inclined to think there must be something wrong with it. And the creationists want the speed of light to be changing with time so they can make the observability of things more than 6,000 light-years away consistent with a young universe.

    But I think a significant amount of it comes from the influence of the late Petr Beckmann, an electrical-engineering professor who was a major figure in anti-environmentalist circles, and also an old Usenet crank. Tom Bethell wrote a glowing profile of him in The American Spectator. Beckmann was probably best known for writing a pop-mathematics-history book called A History of Pi, but he also wrote polemics like The Health Hazards of Not Going Nuclear and Eco-Hysterics and the Technophobes. And he also thought relativity theory was wrong. He had an elaborate sort of aether theory that he promoted relentlessly; when pressed for details he would hawk subscriptions to his own physics journal, Galilean Electrodynamics.

  246. 246.

    Matt McIrvin

    …Also, I get the impression that some conservatives are suspicious of relativity because they think it’s somehow related to moral or ontological relativism. If space and time are mere shadows, then maybe nothing is real and anything goes! Etc.

  247. 247.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    Jeez, just because I said that I thought it would be awesome for Hillary’s first act as president should be to drop a pocket nuke on top of Putin’s country dacha, but that Bob could still go suck on the charred remnants of Putin’s dick afterwards just like he always has is no reason to call me a homophobe. I’m really offended.

    I’m a fucking asshole but I do not discriminate.

  248. 248.

    redshirt

    @Matt McIrvin: I think this is more to the point. I doubt most Republicans understand any of the science behind the idea. Let alone most Americans or perhaps even people of the world.

    Republican live on jingoism, on communal messages from the tribe. For example, the Repukes obviously collectively decided to make an issue of transgenders in public bathrooms. And now there’s laws and bathroom incidents and people going crazy over the issue. When it wasn’t even discussed a year ago. Or anytime before. They made this issue happen, and it affects lots of real people who will suffer as a result. They make evil things happen.

    It’s no joke and yet very few get it.

  249. 249.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Major Major Major Major: When I saw this on LGF, I snickered not thinking it was a real thing. How delusional do you have to be to think that if you get enough likes, you can overtake a winning candidate?

    As The Donald himself would say, “Sad.”

  250. 250.

    Matt McIrvin

    @divF: It’s amusing in part because, though I’ll admit general relativity involves some fairly advanced mathematical tools, special relativity is probably the mathematically simplest topic in 20th century physics. You can convey the gist of it with introductory junior-high-school algebra.

    I’ve always thought that’s part of the reason why it attracts so many cranks who are out to refute it. The math is simple enough that it’s pretty easy to become convinced that you’re now an expert, and you can find the fatal flaws the physicists all missed.

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