Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Let there be snark.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

Donald Trump, welcome to your everything, everywhere, all at once.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

I was confident that someone would point it out and thought why not me.

White supremacy is terrorism.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

Fani Willis claps back at Trump chihuahua, Jim Jordan.

Live so that if you miss a day of work people aren’t hoping you’re dead.

Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.

Innocent people don’t delay justice.

How can republicans represent us when they don’t trust women?

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Late Night Horrorshow Open Thread: Trump – A Revenant, for the Revanchists

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Revenant: A visible ghost or animated corpse that is believed to have returned from the grave to terrorize the living.

Revanchism (from French: revanche, “revenge”) is the political manifestation of the will to reverse territorial losses incurred by a country, often following a war or social movement used since the 1870s…

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  4. 4.

    lamh36

    Watched first episode of the Roots remake.

    My bet, less white people watched this than who watched original.

    The remake, isn’t so concerned with trying not to hurt the sensibilities of white folk.

    “Make America Great Again”…huh…

    Not in the mood for much more tonight…good night BJ

  9. 9.

    gene108

    @lamh36:

    T.V. viewership is much more fragmented than 40 years ago. There is never again going to be a show or episode almost everyone watches at the same time.

    It is hard to read more into it than that, in my opinion.

    Assuming “Roots” is available On-Demand by my cable company that is probably how I will watch it.

    I for one watched OKC complete a choke job in the play-offs.

  11. 11.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    In the 1970s, it would have been less about hurting white folks’ sensibilities and more about what Standards & Practices would allow. It was still pretty traumatic to watch as a kid: people being whipped, screaming children being separated from their mothers, (strongly implied) rape. Unfortunately, now that there are more than three networks, you’re never going to see “Roots”-like numbers for a TV movie again, at least not in the sense of everyone in the country sitting down to watch the same movie at the same time. IIRC, it’s still the all-time record holder for miniseries ratings.

    And you know how I keep telling all you guys that the cultural moment is against Trump this year? I just saw the trailer for the new Matthew McConaughey movie, Free State of Jones. Trump may be surrounded by a very vocal group of assholes, but they’re a smaller group than they like to think.

  13. 13.

    Mike J

    @Mnemosyne:

    people being whipped, screaming children being separated from their mothers, (strongly implied) rape.

    Don’t forget being given the choice, your foot or your balls, and then the foot being hacked off.

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    PragmaticObotsUnite ‎@PragObots
    Kunta watching his parents disappear once he said “Toby”….WOW. Powerful symbolism. #Roots #KuntasKin

  15. 15.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mike J:

    I was only about 8 at the time (and a girl), so I don’t think I really understood the choice, but the foot being hacked off was pretty bad even without the extra threat.

  20. 20.

    jl

    The clip is wrenching. The thing is, the shit might be real under a Trump admin, if you replace African-Americans with Hispanics and Muslims.

    And probably happen with African-Americans, or probably for that matter, anybody who objects or protests anything Trump. Except won’t be official Trump policy, at least until he can get who wants on the courts, just beatings and insults as part of spontaneous patriotic actions performed by patriotic Trump-Americans.

    Unless of course Trump’s Great Wall and Deportation and Muslim ban were damned lies bellowed by a damned liar to get support of racists and xenophobes. In which case, most of the crap that comes down will be spontaneous patriotic actions performed by patriotic Trump Americans.

  21. 21.

    Callisto

    We’re gonna have just the best, classiest beatings, okay? I’m bringing in top men. Gold-plated truncheons. There’ll be so many beatings you’ll get sick of all the beatings.

    That about right? I’m having trouble figuring out how to write like a crazy old white guy with a room-temperature IQ.

  22. 22.

    Mike in NC

    By this time next year, nobody will want tickets to ‘Hamilton’, but they’ll be flocking to see ‘Drumpf: The Musical’ on Broadway.

  23. 23.

    Schlemazel Khan

    The number of lynching spiked in the late 19-teens through 20s. A very clear connection can be made between the Southern ‘gentleman’ in the White House and that increase. Wilson ordered the firing of blacks working for the Federal government and baring their hiring. He also ordered the strict segregation of the Army. There were other words and deeds but the message was clear from the POTUS himself. I would not be surprised to see the exact same sort of horror show under a President Drumpf.

  25. 25.

    lamh36

    @Omnes Omnibus: Nope, going to bed.

    I’m already regretting posting that comment.

    Cause I’m not really in the mood to defend it or not…

    So no. I’m not gonna do that…especially since we both know you already know the answer.

    Again…good night BJ

  26. 26.

    gene108

    What I always wonder about, when I see videos like the one in the OP (or older pictures of a crowd around a lynching), is how the crowd of approving on-lookers and/or participants in the brutality raised their kids, because if that kind of entrenched racism kept getting handed down throughout the generations America would be a lot more institutionally racist than it is today.

    I’m surprised because somewhere along the line the bigots lost their influence on their kids or grandkids on down the line.

    What it amounts to is how badly conservatives have lost the Culture War.

    Gay people are no longer officially gross. “Modern Family” has an openly gay couple, with an adopted daughter, as main characters. 25 years ago Dan Quayle was bitching about Murphy Brown getting knocked up, while still a single woman.

    Interracial marriage does not even warrant attention, it has become so normal, within the realm of polite society.

    Yes racism and racists still exist, but it sometimes feels like Trump is one of the last gasps of the Culture Warriors to try and claw back into the spotlight they once had.

    At some level they must realize they are losing the battle against the forces of tolerance and acceptance.

  30. 30.

    Tenar Darell

    David Brooks is on Charlie Rose tonight. (tv at my father’s, so too loud for me to block out and my ears are bleeding from that bull).

  32. 32.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mnemosyne: I watched it on TV and we read it at the same time. A long, long time ago. The axe to the foot still makes me cringe. I’ll leave this there.

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    @jl: They’ve already begun issuing veiled threats that he better deliver on what they want. Alex Jones went on a rant that was one part all in support for Trump one part warning him that if he doesn’t deliver the goods than they’ll turn on him. The folks that are expecting him to somehow establish white nationalism are not interacting with reality in the same way that the rest of us are. And that’s not to say they are mentally ill or delusional. Rather they’ve accepted, adopted, acculturated to, or been socialized to an understanding of history and politics and economics and religion that, at best, casually intersects with that of the rest of Americans.

  36. 36.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: In this case it also doesn’t help that its on three of four channels at the same time. I understand why they did that – to ensure a greater chance of getting people to watch it and since all the channels are owned by the same company it makes sense, but that too will dilute the numbers. In order to actually figure out the viewership you’d have to tally across all three or four channels and the On Demand viewings.

  39. 39.

    Soylent Green

    @shomi:

    I sure hope the press does their job and rakes this idiot over the coals.

    Please let us know when they do. I’ll wait.

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    @jl: Of that there is no doubt. He’s been working that angle since he declared. About being treated fairly and the game being rigged. GOP officials, as in people working in official capacity for the GOP – on Congressional and Senatorial staffs, RNC, that sort of thing – took Manafort’s briefing to the Senatorial GOP Chiefs of Staff last week as an example of this: that Trump is laying the groundwork to, among other things, blame the GOP and RNC if he looses. The whole “the system is rigged against me (Trump)” is also designed to reinforce this angle. He couldn’t have lost, all those decent Americans supporting him couldn’t have lost, he and they were cheated. Victory was stolen.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    I do believe we were discussing this the other day:
    http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-department-of-defense-will-finally-stop-using-flopp-1779493666

    A new report from the Government Accountability Office reveals that multiple U.S. government agencies still run on decades-old technology—the most alarming of which is the revelation that nuclear operations are still carried out with 8-inch floppy disks.

    According to the report, which you can read here, multiple government agencies operate off of information technology systems decades old. The Department of Treasury holds the oldest IT systems reported as being around 56 years old.

    The actual GAO report is here:
    http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/677436.pdf

  44. 44.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Adam L Silverman: This is what we’ve been trying to say! The fact that we still carry out nuclear operations with 8-inch floppies (8? wow.) means that a shitty old email system at state should have been more than enough for Hillary. What was she hiding??? A bridge too far, man!

  45. 45.

    GregB

    Trump is such a loose cannon.

    One wonders if there will be a “have you no sense of decency” moment that prompts large numbers to abandon him?

    Just listening to that audio about knocking the crap out of people makes me fume because the cheering mob of jackasses have been screaming about Obama being a thug for 8 years.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    May we have a show of hands in favor of one Trump-free day a week on the front page?

    *raises hand and vigorously waves it around*

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Major Major Major Major: At one point in the mid 1990s NASA put out advertisements across Florida for anyone that might be hanging onto the old early 1980s 5 and 1/4 floppy drived IBM PCs. They were asking for people to donate them at the Kennedy Space Center because, apparently, the software programs for the shuttle program were done on these machines and had never been upgraded as the tech went from 5 and 1/4 floppies to those 3 and a 1/2 inch hard cased disks to CDs. NASA was hoping to cannablize these donor computers to maintain their systems.

    As I often remark: this is no way to run a superpower!

  49. 49.

    Mike J

    @Adam L Silverman:

    the most alarming of which is the revelation that nuclear operations are still carried out with 8-inch floppy disks.

    You would prefer it if they booted over the internet?

    As long as they could still get parts to keep them running, why on earth would you replace a system that you know reliably controls nuclear missiles with a completely unproven system?

  50. 50.

    NotMax

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Endemic problem is that in the time it takes for specs to be prepared, bids to be solicited, comment periods, etc., tech has advanced a couple of generations so what is finally installed is borderline obsolete from the get-go.

    Other side of the coin is design which exceeds the tech capabilities. Case in point, the F-35 (I know, I know), rushed into service while incapable of firing its guns – estimates are another 4 years of software development to allow that to occur.

    Then there’s whatever that boondoggle computer system the F.B.I. ordered and signed on to under the last administration was, which had to be scrapped as total junk before the last part was delivered.

  51. 51.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @NotMax: I’m sorry, I don’t know if you’ve heard out there on your rock out in the Pacific; that Trump guy is going to be the Republican candidate for President. Being that this is sort of a left of center POLITICAL blog, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT?

    /snark

  54. 54.

    hovercraft

    Much of Canova’s campaign literature emphasizes his opposition to the nuclear agreement with Iran, a position shared by many in the district’s large and active Jewish population. Wasserman Schultz backed the deal.

    “She’s Jewish; I’m not. But I’ve had a Jewish stepdad for 40 years, and I was a volunteer on a kibbutz. . . . And she voted for the Iran agreement,” he said. “Either she got duped by [Obama deputy national security adviser] Ben Rhodes or she was in on it.”
    Thats from Debbie Wasserman Schwartz opponent who Sanders is endorsing. From the Washington Post

  55. 55.

    Adam L Silverman

    @hovercraft: This is going to be an issue. Given the district, Wasserman-Schultz went a bit out on a limb to back the President’s play. I still think she’s not been a very good legislator, but I’m not sure Canova is much better. And, of course, if things get muddied up enough with attacks on her from the right, this being Florida, he could win the primary and lose the district to the Republican challenger.

  57. 57.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mnemosyne: You are so optimistic about the state of American culture! I’d like to think you’re right, but there’s some part of me that’s still (un)healthily dubious…

  59. 59.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman: that doesn’t sound all that different from the song that Senator Sanders is singing. Except in Trump’s case it will cause even more damage.

  61. 61.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Miss Bianca: S’aright. Headed back to Colorado to visit the fam tomorrow. Watching some House Of Cards… got my scribbling out of the way earlier today. Draft 2 is coming along nicely :)

    Maybe I’ll unwind later with Bob’s Burgers.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    For the insomniacs, Objective, Burma! winds up the 72 hour war-a-thon on TCM at 3:30 a.m. Eastern.

    Severely subsumes or ignores British involvement and actions in favor of Americans yet in spite of the vast liberties taken, a solid, gripping flick.

  65. 65.

    Citizen Alan

    @Mike J:

    As long as they could still get parts to keep them running, why on earth would you replace a system that you know reliably controls nuclear missiles with a completely unproven system?

    There is something almost deliciously Kafkaesque about a nation that relies on outmoded technology that it dare not upgrade for fear of accidentally destroying the world.

  66. 66.

    Miss Bianca

    @hovercraft: that’s fucking cheap, I have to say. We have “leftists” opposing the Iran deal. At this point, I’m rooting for DWS to crush this guy like a bug just because this so-called “primarying from the left” bs that Sanders is apparently promoting is starting to piss me off…

  69. 69.

    Anne Laurie

    @NotMax: You know that Ray Bradbury line that Driftglass uses as a header?

    “I don’t try to predict the future, I try to prevent it.”

  70. 70.

    NotMax

    @Anne Laurie

    Ray Bradbury. Irrefutably prolific, a writer who treated mediocrity as an art form.

    Imagine how p.o.’d DT would be if something like Trumpless Tuesdays caught on around the ‘net. ;)

  71. 71.

    Monala

    @lamh36: I get what you were trying to say. It’s not just the amount of viewers, it’s that this version isn’t centering on the white pov at all. In the original, you had the conscience-stricken slave ship captain who refused to fornicate with the slave girl brought to his bed, and drowned his guilt in drink. Here they’re not developing the white characters at all, let alone making sure the audience knows “not all white people.”

    On another note, WOW, Malachi Kirby (Kunta Kinte) is beautiful.

  74. 74.

    NotMax

    Just stepped outside for a half a minute to do something and glanced up. Hard pressed to remember back to when saw Mars as prominent and bright as it is tonight. Looks like a HAL 9000 interface hanging in the sky.

  76. 76.

    hovercraft

    @Miss Bianca:
    I think this is part of Bernie’s MO he is thin skinned and vengeful. If you piss him off he will come after you. I doubt he took the time to do due diligence on this douche bag, he just wanted to get back at DWS. Because if he knew this about this guy than he’s a fucking hypocrite, you can’t claim that Hillary is a warmonger and then object to talking to Iran. And didn’t he support the deal himself?

  78. 78.

    Anne Laurie

    @Major Major Major Major: Heh. A suitcase is a box, and all boxes belong to cats.

    Wait’ll he finds out that the suitcase means you’ll be disrupting his routine — I’ve known cats who greeted future re-emergence of The Box of Disappearance as an excuse to piss in it…

  79. 79.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @NotMax: It was pretty bright here the other night, so I looked up to see if Jupiter was really bright only to see a bright shooting star streak across the sky.

  80. 80.

    gene108

    @Miss Bianca:

    I am not sure how DWS kept the DNC gig after 2014, but primarying people in relatively conservative districts from the Left is not helping.

    The Left lacks the money, media domination, wing nut welfare circuit equivalent to give ex-pols a cushy post-political gig, and most importantly a central congregating point, with which to direct their adherents to action.

    The genius of the Movement Conservatives was to realize you have millions of voters, who every week go to church. Get church leaders on board and you start getting their followers on board with your agenda. And an army of dedicated voters is born.

    I just cannot picture how you recreate that sort of group think on the Left or have any carrots and sticks, with which to cajole anyone, as the Left lacks the money to entice or threaten anyone.

  81. 81.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @gene108: This particularly a problem here in CA; due to our “jungle primary”, if you have enough Democrats that choose to run in a district they can(and have I believe) knock each other out and be left with 2 Republicans in the general.

  87. 87.

    NR

    @Major Major Major Major:

    No shit, but it’s easy and then you get to have a nice, principled defeat in the fall.

    Whereas our current crop of Democrats suffers “pragmatic” defeats instead, which we all know are so much better than principled defeats.

  92. 92.

    opiejeanne

    @Major Major Major Major: That is a beautiful cat.
    Ours have always done that when the suitcases came out before a trip, and our current Overlord Annie is no exception, but she does get to come along on some trips. There are a growing number of pet-friendly hotels that will take cats for an extra $10 and she’s a good traveler.
    Last week I dreamt that I stuffed her into a purse, got on a plane, and took her to Paris. I looked at the purse the next morning and it would not fit half of her.

  94. 94.

    PurpleGirl

    @Adam L Silverman:

    8-inch floppy disks

    I met “N” in 1984, by then he was working for IBM. He still had his original computer that used 8-inch floppies. He told me the machine still ran but you couldn’t do very much with it. In his living room he had a IBM 360 that was connected to his office in Yorktown Heights, one or two other portable (lugable) computers, one of which we set up for me to use. He had a token ring under the couch so he could play with it and learn how to really use them. (He was committed to teach himself whatever he could to get ahead.) Okay, that’s 32 years ago. So there are Federal agencies still using computers from 32 years ago… OMG.

  95. 95.

    Kathleen

    @Mnemosyne: Can’t wait to see that. I saw Jon Stewart interview a historian who wrote a book about that several years ago.

  96. 96.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @NotMax:

    Closest it has been in 11 years—45.8 or 48.5 million miles, can’t remember which. And in two years it will come around even closer.

  97. 97.

    Zinsky

    If Donald J Trump is elected president, there will be so many beatings, your head will spin!

  98. 98.

    Matt McIrvin

    @NotMax:

    May we have a show of hands in favor of one Trump-free day a week on the front page?

    *raises hand and vigorously waves it around*

    Maybe we should concentrate on Hillary vs. Bernie instead. I’ve heard they’re running against each other.

  101. 101.

    Ken

    A few of the old computer systems are used for cryptography, and are the only allowed way to generate those keys/codes/pads/etc. However that’s a very few systems; and besides, “then get your ass procurement process in gear and update them” applies just as well to them.

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