Here’s a link to a CSPAN video of Hillary Clinton’s speech in San Diego today, in which she outlined national security policy and peeled, julienned and fried the vulgar talking yam. Sampler platter:
“Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different, they are dangerously incoherent. They’re not even really ideas, just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds and outright lies.”
“He is not just unprepared; he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility.”
“This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because someone got under his very thin skin.”
That’s just the beginning. Twitter hot take between the principals:
Bad performance by Crooked Hillary Clinton! Reading poorly from the telepromter! She doesn't even look presidential!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 2, 2016
Imagine if he had not just his Twitter account at his disposal when he’s angry, but America’s entire arsenal. https://t.co/e7M2CV3sj6
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) June 2, 2016
Clinton clobbered Trump today, and she’s going to cream that fucking clown in November.
UPDATE: Transcript is here. Y’all will like this part:
I remember being in the Situation Room with President Obama, debating the potential Bin Laden operation. The President’s advisors were divided. The intelligence was compelling but far from definitive. The risks of failure were daunting. The stakes were significant for our battle against al Qaeda and our relationship with Pakistan. Most of all, the lives of those brave SEALs and helicopter pilots hung in the balance.
It was a decision only the President could make. And when he did, it was as crisp and courageous a display of leadership as I’ve ever seen.
Now imagine Donald Trump sitting in the Situation Room, making life-or-death decisions on behalf of the United States. Imagine him deciding whether to send your spouses or children into battle. Imagine if he had not just his Twitter account at his disposal when he’s angry, but America’s entire arsenal.
Do we want him making those calls – someone thin-skinned and quick to anger, who lashes out at the smallest criticism? Do we want his finger anywhere near the button?
To paraphrase valued commenter Amydala, that’s the part where Clinton covered the vulgar talking yam with marshmallows and stuck him under the broiler…
Keith G
Yay!! Sharp elbows and an ax handle. Love it!
Tom Levenson
I believe that was a “welcome to the major leagues, Donnie boy…”
Major Major Major Major
Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks to @Cat48 for pointing it out in the previous thread!
Trollhattan
@Keith G:
I vote for bringing the entire axe next go.
rikyrah
SAY IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
bystander
Another bad day for Trump. Too bad, so sad.
Now, if I could just resist MSNBC and avoid hearing about how bad a loss in California would be for Hillary. It’s one thing for Sanders to willfully ignore the inevitable. Why would a supposed source of news, if not journalism, actually, entertain this ignorance of the mathematical near certainty of Hillary winning the nomination in New Jersey? And ignoring how inconsequential losing California was for Obama?
geg6
Ol’ Deadbeat Donnie just got schooled. Bet he’s on the verge of stroking out right about now.
Bob In Portland
This.
Mike J
Thank god the primary is over and we can get out the pliers and blow torch and go after the real enemy.
Trollhattan
@Mike J:
20 quatloos for “Pulp Fiction” ref.
bemused
@geg6:
I can’t wait until Obama and Biden get full on board. Trump is going to have order more suits to keep up with the flopsweat.
Chyron HR
@Bob In Portland:
Spoken like a “true progressive”.
amygdala
Thanks, I needed that. She also covered him in marshmallows and then stuck him under the broiler.
Cacti
@Chyron HR:
Putin wants Trump as POTUS.
Ergo, Boob in Putinland wants Trump as POTUS.
Corner Stone
@Mike J: The primary has been over since MA. Can we pleez to haz the actual Voltron combination of PBO, WJC, Uncle Joe, EW and HRC attacking the vile vulgar yam?
amk
How hard it is to shitcan stupid trolls?
Bob In Portland
I just lost two comments here. I’ll try later. But I certainly plan to read H. Clinton’s foreign policy speech.
Strong and flag-waving, I’m guessing.
Corner Stone
@bemused:
But will his tailor continue to extend his credit line since he probably hasn’t been paid in months.
Trollhattan
Hillary’s speech top story (& above the fold) on BBC News website.
Hillary Rettig
@Trollhattan: 20 quatloos for the quatloo reference!
Archon
@Bob In Portland:
Welcome to America, Bob in Portland.
Davis X. Machina
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of testicles suddenly cried out in terror and retracted like the front gear on a 737….
bemused
@Corner Stone:
Ha. The clown who lives on credit.
Trollhattan
@Corner Stone:
Is that the Trump Discount I keep hearing about? Too bad he doesn’t have a championship ring he could show to buddy Vlad. Might even things up a wee.
Jim Kakalios
Wished this exchange had happened after Trump’s recent press conference:
Trump: The Press are being mean to me!
Clinton: Welcome to the NFL!
sacrablue
When do we get to hear Bernie’s big foreign policy speech?
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Bob In Portland:
Jesus, Boob – given that old Pravda/USA-Canada institute naming convention that you’re using, you must be about a thousand years old.
Did you ever meet Arbatov? What was he like? What were the meetings like during the Watergate hearings, and how long did it take to reach the consensus to have Brezhnev send the letter of support to Nixon?
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@sacrablue:
Who’s Bernie?
Yellowdog
@Bob In Portland: Strong and ass-kicking.
Aqualad08
@Bob In Portland:
If you’re going to try and distract us from Hillary pulling Donald’s jersey over his head and kneeing him in the groin, might I suggest a shinier set of keys than Noam Chomsky shitting his pants over “war?”
hellslittlestangel
The really fun part of election night will be watching all the Republicans Trump takes down with him.
Cacti
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Boob’s favorite book is “Listen Liberal”. It’s an instruction manual on how to give Vlad a handjob.
Corner Stone
It’s Hillary Clinton’s speech. The Paul Ryan vote for Trump is small potatoes to HRC ripping Trump into drawn and quartered territory.
ETA, sorry that was to Tweety asking his panel what was the biggest news of the day.
Ripley
@Bob In Portland: Or rather, this.
Aleta
song for summer afternoon, horns + snare
Poopyman
@Trollhattan: While CNN leads with Prince’s cause of death.
Yay journalism in the US.
Aqualad08
@sacrablue:
As soon as Jane prints it out… it’s been stuck in the queue behind the tax returns for the last three months…
lollipopguild
If I had a hammer, I would hammer Trump in the morning, I would hammer Trump in the evening, I would hammer Trump all over this land.
Corner Stone
Why in the fuck would FP be a “vulnerability” for HRC? She’s after keeping the Obama coalition. That was his FP she executed. He was the boss. That is not a vulnerability if you want to retain the Obama coalition for this election.
Mike J
@Hillary Rettig: 20 OEDs for the reference reference!
lollipopguild
@Davis X. Machina: Shrinkage.
sacrablue
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: His damn yard signs and bumper stickers are sprouting all around me and it is making me worry that he will keep up his bullshit all the way to the convention. Tuesday better be a bigger win than what the polls are suggesting here. Local news media are acting like Hillary might lose in CA.
Trollhattan
@Poopyman:
CNN–delivering “news” in a fashion that matches your expectations.
Jim Kakalios
@Tom Levenson:
o=Oops. Sorry. Did not see your comment when I posted mine on
Welcome to the NFL. Well, Great Minds Stink Alike, and all that.
amk
@sacrablue: His stock answer: Can’t you imbeciles I am running for president and don’t have time for such nonsense?
Cacti
@sacrablue:
Bernie doesn’t know foreign policy. He’s busy running for President.
Well, that’s what he told Univision anyway.
cmorenc
I hope the structure of Clinton’s speech breaks down nicely into concise sound bytes (of the sort the media are geared to consume and rebroadcast) that yet retain their substantive potency, and there aren’t any inadvertently inartful passages they will latch onto instead. Unfortunately, that’s the political reality of the way news is transmitted and consumed by a large majority of the electorate, who can’t (or won’t) take the time to delve into an extended, complicated policy speech. If Mark Sumner’s diary over at the DKos summarizing the high points is any indication, Clinton may have delivered magnificently. I sure hope so – I’ll take time later today to listen to the entire speech myself.
Bob In Portland
@Chyron HR: No. I criticize Trump. He’s a clown. I criticize H. Clinton because she’s a warmonger.
The House of Saud gave H. Clinton a half million in jewels a couple of years ago. Let’s turn around her quote: What explains tyrants’ affection for Hillary?
Psych1
Iraq – Syria – Libya
phoebes from highland park
What went unsaid in Clinton’s speech about being in the war room was that while that difficult decision was made and then being carried out in top secret, Obama was at the WHCD absolutely wiping out Trump. It was a thing of beauty and was even more impressive when he announced the following morning the capture and execution of Bin Ladin!
Corner Stone
@cmorenc: It was very well done for this era’s sound byte nation and press. Perfect cadence and delivery for retweets and highlights.
Jim Kakalios
@Hillary Rettig:
Hillary was wielding the battle axe from the Gamesters of Triskelon,
after finally disabling her inhibitor collar.
amk
Contrast this with the craven & cowardly surrendering of the entire gop ‘establishment’ to the donald dreck.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
Trump sort of screwed with Clinton – Trump can’t just brush her barbs off like Obama did in 2008 and still play The Donald with his base. Same time Trump responds to Hilary he looks likes a childish twit to everyone else. And that sort of proves Clinton’s point about Trump shouldn’t be let near the presidency because he’s so senstive.
The Thin Black Duke
Uh, Donnie?
You come at the Queen, you best not miss.
Oops.
Too late.
AkaDad
She just went nuclear on his ass! I has a happy.
Bob In Portland
@Cacti: Do you insult your wife/girlfriend after she gives you sex? Or do you have a relationship with a woman? Or anyone? You always seem to need to use sex as a way to demean people. Sounds like your mama didn’t raise you right.
Remain in pathetic self-enforced ignorance. In your own way you are a neoliberal purity troll.
Mike in NC
Trying to picture short vulgar fingers pressing nuclear button. Very sad!
Bob In Portland
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: And Hillary should be president because she’s so cold and unfeeling?
“We came, we saw, he died.” Times a thousand.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
Liberal Wolf Blitzer is headlining Darrell Issa…
sacrablue
OT: I’ve got a question for the California peeps. My son is a no party preference vote by mail guy. He didn’t know he had to request a dem NPP ballot in order to vote in the presidential primary. Can he take his mail-in ballot to the polling place and exchange it for a dem ballot on primary day?
Cacti
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
It’s not just that Trump talks like a 69 year old adolescent. It’s that he also shows the temperament and judgment of one.
I don’t want a nuclear exchange because a foreign leader says the POTUS has short fingers.
Bob In Portland
@Mike in NC: Why does Russia fear that H. Clinton will push the world into a nuclear war?
Aqualad08
@Bob In Portland:
Boob, were you crying when you wrote that? I TOTALLY imagined you crying when you wrote that….
different-church-lady
And just think what’s gonna happen if she goes negative on him.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Bob In Portland:
Drink three times!
Major Major Major Major
Will somebody just buy Bob a damn pie already so he shuts up?
boatboy_srq
@Poopyman: US infotainment. Dead pop star (light on the Big Pharma Is Pushing Opium On Patients Everywhere sauce) is always more important than responsible government or thoughtful political analysis (i.e. crucial aspect of democracy).
Cacti
How does Boob manage to talk with Putin’s man meat always in his mouth?
Are there directions for it in “Listen Liberal”?
Aqualad08
@Bob In Portland:
Because they would prefer walking all over Trump for the next four years as they expand their spheres of influence over eastern Europe. Shit, Bob, my eight-year-old could have told you that…
different-church-lady
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I’m holding out for “villager”.
bystander
@Corner Stone:
Just heard the Toddler saying that. Now, her vote for invading Iraq makes her responsible for the debacle and exonerates half the Moanin’ Joe blabberers. Again the decision to go into Libya was her decision and her decision alone. And Libya is a mess as a result of Hillary’s decision, but if she hadn’t interfered everything would be great.
different-church-lady
@Cacti: IT’S A COOK BOOK!
SiubhanDuinne
@Bob In Portland:
Many foreign leaders and governments give lavish gifts to US and other world leaders. It would be a diplomatic insult to refuse such gifts. Instead (as I suspect you very well know) they are graciously accepted, reported to the GSA, and quietly sold or donated.
Cacti
Putin is a shrimp in size 5 shoes, Trump has the hands of child.
Seems like both are trying to compensate for something.
Villago Delenda Est
@bystander: The Horse Race is everything for the vermin of the Village. They don’t have a Horse Race on the GOP side anymore, but they think they have one on the Dem side, and they’re going to beat the dead horse for as long as they can.
raven
I just read an obit for a buddy of mine who died a week ago. This guy had honorable discharges from the Army, Air Force and Marines. His grandfather had a Liberty Ship named after him and his family disowned him because he didn’t join the Navy. Strange but true.
dmsilev
@sacrablue: Yes, he can do that.
Patricia Kayden
@rikyrah: Needs to be tweeted and placed on huge billboards.
Get him, Clinton!!
Villago Delenda Est
@Bob In Portland: Hodor loves to guzzle the splooge of Vlad!
Bob In Portland
I’ve tried three times to link to an article which lists five reasons why Russia presumes the US will go to war against them. These posts keep getting eaten up. I guess the censors don’t trust the villagers to ignore the links.
Bex
“Do we want his (short) finger anywhere near the button?” Great bumpersticker!
SiubhanDuinne
@phoebes from highland park:
I still get shivers when I remember how totally cool Obama was at that WHCD, when all the while he was well aware of what was going down and how easily it could have gone wrong (and arguably done immense damage to his entire presidency and legacy). Grace under pressure with a hey nonny nonny, our POTUS.
Patricia Kayden
@SiubhanDuinne: As Raven suggested in a thread below, we need to stop feeding the trolls like BinP. Let them rant and rave on to themselves since they have nothing new or important to say. Their anti-Clinton diatribes have grown stale and repetitious.
Davebo
@Bob In Portland:
“gives you sex”? Lord I hope you aren’t in a relationship!
Major Major Major Major
@raven: Sorry to hear that. Also, that’s weird.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: THE INTERNET ITSELF IS TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. LISTEN TO IT.
Bob In Portland
@Villago Delenda Est: Who taught you that sex is dirty? Your mother or your father? And are you as much of a homophobe as you keep displaying here?
Are you in a romantic relationship with anyone? Do you talk that way to loved ones? Have you no shame?
raven
@Patricia Kayden: People love this shit.
Aqualad08
@Bob In Portland:
IT’S ALL RIGGED AGAINST YOU, BOB!!! IT’S ALL RIGGED!!!! AAAARGH!!!!!
Brachiator
I can’t believe how feeble Trump’s response is:
And mocking responses to his tweet pointed out Trump’s misspelling of “teleprompter.”
He’s definitely rattled. I look forward to hearing his foreign policy speech in response.
different-church-lady
@Davebo: In Soviet Portland, sex insult you.
Bob In Portland
@different-church-lady: The entire internet is telling me to shut up because we don’t want anything to interfere with our carefully taught hatred? Okay.
raven
@Major Major Major Major: He was as friendly a person as you would ever meet but he was an awful drunk and had deep depression issues. I hate that he’s gone but living to 76 was a miracle.
Cacti
Oh noes, I can’t spam my RIA Novosti propaganda!
Somewhere in Oregon, an old man is swearing in Russian.
A Ghost To Most
@Bob In Portland:
And yet you keep trying. Perhaps FYWP is telling you something, Boris.
Major Major Major Major
@raven: I kind of feel like this would be a good time for redshirt to come in and talk about how we’re all going to die. It’s been a trolly afternoon, I could use some variety.
EDIT: Erm, the thought popped into my head sans the context of your friend’s passing, I’m sorry.
Davebo
@raven: Weird.
Then again, my Father is 75% disabled from the Marine Corps and told me if I joined the Marines I shouldn’t bother coming home again!
So I went Navy.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland:
YES! YOU’RE GETTING IT NOW!
Mnemosyne
@Bob In Portland:
Um, do you really want to imply that women never receive unwanted attentions from men? Because I don’t think you want to go there.
Bob In Portland
Well, the fourth attempt was knocked down.
So I guess you guys are safe from another point of view. Enjoy the blood. Maybe DWS and Hillary can pile up the bodies of those people drowning in the Mediterranean on her party platform.
Aqualad08
@Bob In Portland:
You know Bob, there are less creepy ways to call someone a potty-mouth…
Patricia Kayden
@The Thin Black Duke: I love how Secretary Clinton is going for Trump’s jugular even before her primary season is over. Very smart of her to move on from Senator Sanders and go after the Bigot who thinks Americans are so dumb that they would elect him President.
Dying to see Trump’s numerous tweets of desperation in response to her speech. I’m sure he’ll be up all night.
SiubhanDuinne
@Patricia Kayden:
I know, it’s not good for them or me. Kind of like feeding bread to the ducks is actually bad for them. But it’s just so adorable when they come right up close and beg so cutely, I can’t help myself sometimes.
A Ghost To Most
@Cacti:
Cacti
I am true progressive American, da. And I am believing that Putin is most glorious leader and savior of world.
-Boob
different-church-lady
@Patricia Kayden:
This, of course, will be taken as a terrible insult to Senator Sanders in certain quarters.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Davebo:
English as a second language sometimes yields odd results.
Just like him using H. Clinton repeatedly.
Elie
She wiped the floor with him and it will be hard for Trump to respond with just calling her names like a 9 year old school boy. She is setting the tone and the pace — throwing it down to him, so to speak. This week, the Trump opened with whining to the mean ol press about his attempt to scam Veterans from contributions he promised. And we already have heard that his campaign is disorganized and is running short on money. Haven’t heard that the big Republican money is all that interested in sending him more. And this is just the beginning — trust me. He’s gonna get it up the ass, down the throat and every which way….
Ramping Up
Crooked Hillary’s speech was brilliantly stepped on by none other than Paul Ryan. In a genius masterstroke, he announced during her speech that he’s voting for Paul Ryan. Trump also continued his masterful use of Twitter. Meanwhile Crooked Hillary still can’t put away Crazy Bernie.
#Twitterization
#WinTheMorning
#CrookedHillary
chopper
she should have ended the speech with “now go get your fuckin’ shine box, donnie”.
Bob In Portland
@Mnemosyne: But the House of Saud keeps giving the Clinton Foundation donations. I didn’t see anywhere in those transactions and the military deals where their attention was unwanted.
different-church-lady
@A Ghost To Most:
Проблема?
Patricia Kayden
@raven: LOL!! Perhaps it’s a way to vent since we cannot act this way in our real lives. I really don’t know but I don’t come here to argue with fellow commenters. I love this place for the astute front pagers, the jokes, the pet photos, the camaraderie and the intelligent commenters. Not going to argue with any Bernie Bros here or anywhere else. They really don’t matter in the long run.
Mnemosyne
@sacrablue:
Check your local county clerk’s website, but he should be able to do that.
John
@Mike in NC: Thank you! I was waiting for someone to correct Clinton’s “finger on the button” line. How much more play would it get in the press if she had just included the word “short” at the beginning?
guachi
Man, watching the video on cspan http://www.c-span.org/video/?410484-1/hillary-clinton-lays-national-security-priorities is great.
I’ve said in the past Clinton has a shouty problem but she’s got this speech down. It’s fantastic! I’m surprised she can say some of the nonsense Dumbass Donny says with a straight face.
After a brief intro, she laces into Trump right away, GREAT for TV news that broke to her speech at 3pm Eastern. They got the good stuff in the first 10-15 minutes.
chopper
@Corner Stone:
given the way those suits are cut i imagine he’s already doing the job for free.
Brachiator
Damn, I like this part:
Gutsy. Clinton doesn’t elevate herself. But she notes that she was “in the room where it happens.” She dares Trump to denigrate Obama.
And no doubt the fool Trump will take the bait.
ETA: Yeah, I made a “Hamilton” reference. You’re welcome.
Major Major Major Major
@Ramping Up: Voting for who now?
Bob In Portland
arsenal
I, for one, am really enjoying this, “No, seriously you guys, I have evidence of my position, I just, uh, the internet ate it!” routine.
Cacti
@Mnemosyne:
I would think it would just be a matter of going to the local county clerk’s office and surrendering the old ballot.
Bob In Portland
sacrablue
@dmsilev: Thanks!
Captain C
@Ramping Up:
That’s actually kind of funny, unintentionally, I’m sure.
Bob In Portland
Patricia Kayden
@Elie: “He’s gonna get it up the ass, down the throat and every which way….”
Hope so. I really hope that when he’s crushed in November, he is completely and thoroughly humiliated. I mean “eyes down, shoulders stooped” humiliation. He needs to become a laughingstock who parents point to whenever they want to warn their children about being overly proud. Cannot stand him.
chopper
@Aqualad08:
lol, just perfect. “press any key? where’s the goddamn Any key??!”
SiubhanDuinne
@Ramping Up:
Seems a little redundant, but whatevs.
ETA: Captain C at #125 got there first. “A typo so nice, they commented twice.”
Mnemosyne
@raven:
Man, he was *really* trying to avoid the Navy, wasn’t he!? The only other branch he missed was the Coast Guard.
I’m sorry for your loss — just from your brief description, he sounds like an interesting guy.
Bob In Portland
Elie
@Patricia Kayden:
Uh — I think that was someone else’s comment but sounds good …
Cacti
Poor Boob.
So desperate for his rubles, he’s resorted to cutting and pasting his latest script.
Hope it keeps you in vodka for another day, comrade.
hovercraft
Where are all those bedwetters who were wringing their hands, Hillary doesn’t know how to handle The Donald. And she called him Donald throughout the speech, which you know must be driving him nuts. He likes to be referred to as Mr. Trump.
Bob In Portland
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
Here’s Bob in Portland in his own words:
Lest you think I’m making this up here’s the link.
Bob, your problem is you need to eat more pancakes, try these.
John
@Ramping Up: You understand that she has put away Bernie and moved on, right? That is why she’s making speeches like this about Trump. Just because Sanders and his followers are delusional about process doesn’t mean that anyone is taking their campaign seriously anymore. Bernie’s been in the refrigerator since he lost New York. He’s just too numb to feel the (freezer) bern.
JaneE
And the best part was Trump’s twitter response, which looked really, really weak by comparison. What Hillary said was true, but I doubt if it would make any difference to the people who really support Trump. I think half of them are hoping he will nuke our enemies, just to prove we can.
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
Hillary has been tweeting “Hamilton” lines for months. She was also a fan of “In The Heights,” so she’s an OG fan of LMM.
catclub
They expect she will be President?
Patricia Kayden
@SiubhanDuinne: LOL!! I know but remember it’s not good for you or them. The more you feed them, the worse they become. And do you want to have to feed them all the way through November?
Baud
I should have become a troll. I might have gotten more votes that way.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Ramping Up: Bwa ha ha, the orange marmot wearing, human colostomy bag can’t even spell teleprompter correctly. That was a scorching hot take on dog shit Donald’s part. Do all you guys have short fingers ?
Davebo
@different-church-lady:
I guess. I just can’t picture it!
“Honey, I’m home! It’s time for you to give me sex now!”
Brachiator
@Bob In Portland:
Dear Bobby:
I appreciate how you are auditioning for the Trump foreign policy team. Hope you get the position.
El Caganer
@Mike in NC: Sounds like a country song in the making: “Small Hands on the Big Button.”
chopper
@Major Major Major Major:
i’m making a pie right now. then again it’s an egg pie. also i got the recipe from the CIA who totes invented HIV.
Mnemosyne
@Bob In Portland:
Haven’t you posted that in, like three other threads already? I remember that stupid “result” wording.
Maybe WordPress has a module to prevent people from spamming the threads with exact same links over and over and over again.
Archon
@Brachiator:
One thing surprising is how feeble Trump’s attacks against Hillary have been especially when considering the fire he attacked fellow Republicans with.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden:
I love this. It’s so Brothers Grimm.
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
Because when he’s not being a dictator ramming things down America’s throat, he’s an empty suit who’s not the real president. So all that went wrong is her fault, it’s her disastrous foreign policy.
Elie
@JaneE:
The Trump supporters are a waste of time. They are not the audience. The audience is the democrats and progressives and the indies sitting on the fence. We get our folks out — that’s the deal. Waste of time on Donnie’s true believers…
Skippy-san
The problem is the speech will get ignored in the media storm of the Zombie Eyed Granny Starver’s surrender. Trump is a despicable piece of shit.
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: For shame, Baud! You’re way too dignified and intelligent to have ever been a troll. Don’t sell yourself so short. Just run a stronger campaign in 2020.
slag
@Brachiator:
Agree. Wholeheartedly. Trump is Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. Hillary is the wascally wabbit.
Mnemosyne
@Cacti:
Here in CA, it’s usually easier to do it at the polling place, because usually only the main clerk’s office is set up to handle elections stuff. My “local” elections office is about an hour away by car.
Aqualad08
@Ramping Up:
Paul Ryan is going to vote for Paul Ryan? How weird is THAT?
gindy51
@phoebes from highland park: and do not think for one second Trump doesn’t remember this. Double covering of marshmallows!!!
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: You misunderstand me. I’m not saying that I’m the problem. It’s the American voter that’s messed up.
The Golux
@bemused:
They better be wetsuits.
gwangung
@Mnemosyne: I’m sure Trump (and a few Sanders diehards) will call that pandering….
Baud
@Aqualad08: I don’t know. If I were Paul Ryan, I’d vote for someone else.
Elie
@Archon:
Paradoxically, I believe that the harsher language he uses on her, the stronger SHE gets.. He empowers her. The perfect box. He can’t match her on real content and makes her stronger when he belittles her. Per-fect..
different-church-lady
@Archon: Not surprising at all: she’s Alpha-Dogging him.
Corner Stone
@John:
She did not have to include the word “short”. Everyone mentally added it when she mentioned his fingers.
Ramping Up
@John:
Rumor is Bernie is going to be protesting the Philadelphia Convention. He’s going all the way.
@BobInPortland
May as well give it up. Patriotic progressives like yourself were run out of the Democrat Party long ago. May as well vote Green.
Mnemosyne
@El Caganer:
You win the thread.
Mike J
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: True.
sharl
@Bob In Portland:
Test #2: Attempt to link to site I *think* BiP is trying to provide here, this time using a URL-shortener:
http://goo.gl/ZfvhUL
Facebones
Fixed it for her.
The Moar You Know
@sacrablue: Don’t know if anyone answered this. Absolutely. I will be doing the same thing myself.
dmsilev
@Patricia Kayden:
“Clinton! What is best in life?”
“To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their Twitter feed”
Major Major Major Major
@Baud:
Well, at least you have less ego than Bernie, who thinks they should be actively ignored.
I just can’t help myself! I’m such a hateful Breitbart-of-the-left!
chopper
@Cacti:
ironically those rubles are worthless, even though ‘sanctions against russia have failed’.
different-church-lady
@sharl: Why are you doing this to us?
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Ramping Up: Another scorching hot take from the short finger crew. Lame. You need more pancakes !
smith
@Elie:
Well, it’s not like she’s ever been belittled before.
RaflW
I hope Paul Ryan’s endorsement helps get Nancy a few steps closer to the gavel-handle. What a bunch of poltroons* over at the GOP.
*feel free to google it. Seems like the perfect word for feckless weasels like him.
Baud
Damn (TPM).
Corner Stone
God damn you Chuckles Toad.
Wrb
If that would have been devestating delivered by Sanders or Biden, but from the PUMA/Goldman girl… around here the response seems to be “Hillary, Trump, whasa difference?”
guachi
Holy crap! I’m 27 minutes into the cspan.org feed of the speech. She’s still roasting him. Still keeping a straight face.
This is close to the best speech I’ve seen her give. I’ve seen her in person do a great townhall Q&A (go to one if you have the chance). Maybe not Obama level awesom, but still great and she gets bonus points for keeping a straight face and being serious.
catclub
At LGM they noted that after Hillary said ‘He is probably working on tweets right now’
Trump stopped tweeting. She is inside his head.
Patricia Kayden
@Elie: Trump must be laboring under the false belief that Secretary Clinton, like his feckless Republican opponents, will flinch under his targeted insults. He doesn’t realize that she’ll kick off her heels, take off her earrings, and then knock him the hell out. She’s a fighter and has deflected Republican mudslinging for decades. This ain’t her first rodeo.
Ramping Up
@BobinPortland,
Keep in mind: Trump wants a new, constructive relationship with Russia for a more stable world. Hillary is he one saber rattling against Putin.
sharl
@sharl: BiP, while I cannot provide proof to refute your suspicion that the Blog Illuminati is out to get you, sometimes shit happens with blog hosting software. There is a reason why the FYWP curse is so popular here.
By the way, that link I provided originates from here, and is authored by Peter Lavelle, “anchor of RT political debate program CrossTalk.” So there you go.
different-church-lady
@catclub: Holy shit, she actually IS Bugs Bunny!
El Caganer
@Davebo: “Make me a sex…er, sammich..uh, whatever…..”
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Ramping Up: Try these. You can make them small so you can pick them up with your short fingers.
sacrablue
@Mnemosyne: The website says he needed to submit a new vote by mail ballot application by May 31. If true, this is going to piss off a large number of Bernie bros that probably aren’t registered democrats.
Archon
@Baud:
Looks like Nikki Haley is trying to get in pole position as leader of the post-Trump GOP.
Patricia Kayden
@catclub: Ha! Love it.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
Yeh, I’ve read where LMM talks about some of the political folk who’ve seen the play.
Haven’t heard anything about Trump having seen it. Is he a musical kind of guy, I wonder.
Baud
@Archon: Yep. Assuming there is a post-Trump GOP.
hovercraft
@Elie:
Yeah a bad week for him. The primary was a walk in the park for him. This general election thing is not proving as easy, he gets challenged for contradicting himself no matter how fast he spews his shit. Not fair.
sharl
@sharl: Note too that if the Hitlery Blog Illuminati Team is behind the link-killing here, they really suck at their jobs, since that direct link to the RT propaganda dude’s piece works just fine.
JaneE
@sacrablue: If Bernie wins 50% + 1 vote, the media will spin it as a loss for Hillary. CA is proportional, so unless HC can’t poll 15% of the vote she will still pick up delegates. It takes over .6 percent overall to round up to the next delegate, but they do it by type of delegate and district so the actual percent may vary. 400+ pledged delegates, even if Bernie wins big, which I doubt, he probably won’t gain enough to offset the superdelegates for CA. Jerry Brown is a superdelegate by virtue of his office, and he has already endorsed Clinton.
RaflW
Speaker Ryan, in what can only be seen as a delicious lack of awareness of words:
lollipopguild
@Baud: Then why did she endorse Trump? So many people in the GOP are totally spineless. Rubio went from attacking Trump to giving Trump blow-jobs.
hovercraft
@Ramping Up:
Well so far on the TV machine they are doing a couple of minutes on Ryan, then doing a whole segment on the speech. So stepped on, not so much.
Thank you and good day so.
Trollhattan
@Ramping Up: Awwrightie, so you two can get a room now?
The Moar You Know
@sacrablue: True, if you’re a “by mail” voter. ALSO, IT SAYS SO ON HUGE LETTERS ON YOUR BALLOT LIKE THIS. So they really have no excuse. If you’re a “by mail” voter, and want to vote in the Dem primary, and you didn’t change registration by May 31, all you have to do is go to your closest local polling place and ask for a Dem ballot. They will give you one. Fill out and return. Takes five minutes. IT ALSO SAYS THIS ON YOUR BALLOT AS WELL. Frankly, if someone can’t follow directions this obvious I don’t want them voting.
Baud
@lollipopguild: I didn’t know she had done that. Definitely odd.
Patricia Kayden
@dmsilev:
Hahahahahahaha! Yes!! The lamentations of Trump’s twitter feed will join the delicious teardrops of his supporters in November. So looking forward to all that.
El Caganer
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: And he can make a short stack if he wants.
Brachiator
@Facebones:
Oh, shit, Trump’s tiny little fingers can’t reach the button!
Mike E
Did somebody kick over the spam bucket?
Baud
@The Moar You Know: I missed early voting by a day because I misremembered when the last day was. I, of course, blamed the rigged system for the inconvenience of having to vote on election day.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@El Caganer: Nice.
Trollhattan
@Brachiator:
Ve vill make button to reach him!
germy
I was poking around the c-span youtube channel and found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfvYv8MtWWk
Mitch McConnell from 1986. 1986!
Look how young he looks. These people sure have some long-ass careers.
The Thin Black Duke
Meanwhile, in a clean, well-lighted place, a “moderate” Republican quietly watches Clinton’s speech on TV and orders another drink, his face wet with tears.
Carolyn Kay
She was FAN.TAST.IC! Don the Con (thanks Armando) is going to be up all night twittering. He won’t get a minute of sleep.
Baud
Charles Pierce thinks Hillary didn’t do enough to heighten the difference between Trump and her.
germy
and Senator Cotton (Bates Motel) comparing Senator Reid to “cancer”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF6igWnkMQA
How civil of him
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Patricia Kayden: When you see me take my heels off, it’s not good. When you see me take my earrings off, you’d best head for the door. If you see me get out the vaseline for my face and hands, you better run.
BillinGlendaleCA
@The Moar You Know: The wife got a NPP sample ballot(not sure why, she’s been a Dem since 1991); I just told her that all she has to do is ask for a Dem ballot at the polling place(neither of us vote via mail).
The Moar You Know
@Baud: The oppression inherent in the system is staggering, is it not? The Dems have done everything save for go to every home in the state of California and hand people ballots and voter guides urging said voters to vote for their opponents.
I want CA to go back to a closed primary as soon as possible. The GOP never had to open theirs, I’d like us to at least return the favor.
germy
@Brachiator:
Can’t find the button.
Leaves the launch codes frustrated and unsatisfied. Tells the launch codes “here honey, here’s my goldcard, go buy yourself something pretty.”
sharl
@different-church-lady:
Sorry, but the mysteries of FYWP are sometimes irresistible to me, and I must pursue them even if innocent people get in the way. Feeding my curiosity is worth the sacrifice (of others). I’m no hero, just a remote drone pilot in the comment section.
Major Major Major Major
@germy: LOL
Uncle Ebeneezer
Apparently, the electoral map wasn’t the only lesson Hillary learned in 2008. Twitter has it’s uses, and this is absolutely one of them. Press and public love soundbites…hear ya go…already written and under 140 characters.
SiubhanDuinne
@Patricia Kayden:
I will try to limit my visits to the
ducktroll pond to no more than once a week.germy
@sharl: In all great causes some innocent heads must roll.
Baud
@The Moar You Know: You only need to go to Clinton’s website to see the blatant bias her campaign has toward her winning the nomination.
Alex.S
(In an interview during Mrs. Clinton’s speech, Mr. Trump called her performance “terrible” and “pathetic.” He added: “I’m not thin-skinned at all. I’m the opposite of thin-skinned.”)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/03/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html
hovercraft
@Baud:
Oh for fucks sake.
Baud
@Alex.S: Hahaha. That actually happened.
The Moar You Know
@BillinGlendaleCA: That’s all you gotta do. I AM registered NPP for reasons having nothing to do with how I vote, but that’s all I’ve ever had to do in a primary, and if we go back to closed primaries I’d simply switch before the election and then switch back, as I used to do. CA bends over backwards to make this as easy as possible.
bemused
@The Golux:
Yes because the dry cleaning bills for custom made suits will be yooge.
Major Major Major Major
GOS has a supercut of Hillary ripping Trump a new one from the speech.
Mnemosyne
@The Moar You Know:
Moar beat me to it but, yes, Sacrablue’s son now has to do the trade-in thing on Election Day. This is what he gets for not being a registered Democrat. ;-)
germy
What on earth are the Clinton/Trump debates going to be like? Will they hold them in a boxing ring, with two handheld cameras circling the action? Will Clinton remove her shoes and earrings before climbing into the ring? Will there be eye-gouging?
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
OT, but I assume you’ve seen this?
http://time.com/4353996/hamilton-lin-manuel-miranda-2016-election/
Baud
@germy: No, because Trump will find an excuse not to debate her.
Mike J
The Moar You Know
@Baud: She obviously hates democracy. Doesn’t she understand the appropriate thing to do is to endorse Trump and Sanders, while promising to stay in the kitchen and bake cookies for her husband and son-in-law?
Some people can’t be reasoned with.
dmsilev
@Alex.S: It’s like Fredo Corleone protesting that he is too smart.
Patricia Kayden
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Glad to be forewarned!
@Baud: Interesting. I’ll need to read what Charlie means by that because there are stark differences between Trump and Clinton, with or without any speeches.
Brachiator
@Baud:
Ah, I see, he notes his main problem with the speech.
Lemme be blunt. This is stupid. If Trump were a unicorn loving pacifist, he would still be an ignoramus. Clinton focusing on Trump’s total, complete, absolute, lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, and his tendency to shoot of his thin-skinned mouth, is exactly what should be emphasized here.
Trump the rube might make a huge mistake. And he might listen to the wrong people, or panic, or be too easily swayed. I don’t have the slightest particle of faith in his ability to develop or execute foreign policy. I wouldn’t give two shits whether he is a hawk or a dove.
And I believe that Trump has been getting official briefings. You would think that he would be trying to master foreign policy. But what has come out of his mouth so far are imbecilic ramblings.
There will be plenty of time for Clinton to lay out her foreign policy vision. But right here, right now, she is exactly on message.
Corner Stone
Am I allowed to comment “Rawr” on Kasie Hunt’s violent guns she’s currently sporting? Because, rawr.
Baud
@The Moar You Know:
Stand by your man, give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
When nights are cold and lonely.
Stand by your man, and show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can.
Stand by your man.
The Moar You Know
@Mike J: Bernie’s issues with women are rapidly becoming as obvious as Trump’s.
The Golux
@germy:
The most amazing thing to me is how much of a drawl he’s acquired since then.
SiubhanDuinne
@El Caganer:
Or a Don Ho song:
Tiny fingers (tiny fingers)
On the switch (on the switch)
I am very (very, very)
Very rich (very rich).
Elie
The thing that I loved about her speech is that she was completely sang froid. She served up ol Donnie cold as ice and without breaking a sweat. I know he will have a response… some sort of trash he digs up with that little bugger finger of his… I personally think its gonna be hard for him. Everyone already expects his trash talk — ho hum — but he aint got no there there… no substance… She lit him up right nice….
Corner Stone
@dmsilev: “I’m smart!”
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
I understand that this may be a genre of adult entertainment that one can find on the Internet…
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Things we already know about the general election: Trump will not release his tax returns and there won’t be any debates between HRC, Trump and the others(if they make the 15% cutoff).
dmsilev
@Mike J: Where did Sanders say that? I scanned his campaign’s Twitter feed and didn’t see any mention of Clinton’s speech (or any mention of her at all, going back to last night).
ChrisGrrr
Ignore trolls. Don’t read their posts, don’t write a word specifically to them or about them.
This makes internet life much more enjoyable.
debbie
@Patricia Kayden:
This pretty much sums up what he said:
I think Pierce makes a valid point.
sacrablue
@The Moar You Know: Thanks for your big ass attitude. I’ll be sure to remind my son that he is a fucking illiterate idiot. Thanks again for your kind advice.
Mnemosyne
It’s the maddest, merriest day of all the glad New Year, for it’s the day when the trolls start trolling each other.
It only comes around once in a blue moon, so enjoy it while you can.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Brachiator:
He won’t be getting intelligence briefings until he’s the official nominee(after the convention).
Patricia Kayden
@germy: They should be quite fascinating since Trump has no political experience from which he can draw and can only gish gallop about how great he is in his own eyes. Clinton, on the other hand, can draw from her extensive life experiences as an attorney, First Lady of Arkansas, FLOTUS, Senator and Secretary of State.
Any debates between the two will allow Secretary Clinton to draw a stark contrast between her qualifications and Trump’s ego. I normally skip debates, but will definitely watch them this year. They should be fun this time around.
germy
@The Golux: It just amazes me how they go to washington and then dig in for thirty, forty years. Lifers.
What must they think of people like Cruz and Rubio and Cotton? “I’ve been standing here since before you were out of diapers. That includes you, Vitter.”
SiubhanDuinne
@Corner Stone:
Oh gods. What did he do or say now?
Corner Stone
@debbie:
This speech was not about that. Not even in the same ballpark as that. CP is Brooksian on this specific analysis.
different-church-lady
@Mike J: What, Bernie has a problem with Clinton softening Trump up for him in the general?
debbie
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
I come from the time of “Woman, Roar” myself. I’ve always wondered what kind of sparks would fly if i put a few of the female posters here in a room around a small table. I’ve just set a chair for you at that table.
Major Major Major Major
@debbie:
I would disagree. A good speech is about as few things as possible. This speech was about Donald Trump.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@The Golux:
McConnell got his early electoral chops as the county executive for Jefferson County (which contained the city of Louisville and about 70% of the population of the Louisville metro area at that time). It was a pretty chunky job, even though Louisville didn’t require much from the county, and he was a competent administrator. He didn’t sound like a Hilljack then. That current accent is really affected.
debbie
@Corner Stone:
I’ve been at my nephew’s high school graduation all day, so I’ll have to find the transcript. Brooksian seems kind of mean, no?
The Golux
@BillinGlendaleCA:
What are the odds that he’ll spill some classified information to the press? I’d say the likelihood exceeds 100%.
Gian
@Keith G:
Politics + Axe Handle = Lester Maddox to me.
cckids
@Elie:
Yep. Bitching about her using the teleprompter? Criticizing her “performance”, as though it’s reality TV? So lame.
ETA: SAD.
JaneE
@Elie: Half the problem is the lack of Democratic turnout and high Republican turnout. I just hope that some of the Republicans who have fallen in line with Trump, will be scared enough to not vote. The folks around here didn’t like Donald, but they would vote for him over Hillary, and have said so many times.
debbie
@Major Major Major Major:
The few small bits I heard were directed “at” Trump but I had heard that this speech was supposed to be about foreign policy.
BillinGlendaleCA
@The Golux: As Adam has indicated the intelligence community will take that(and the associations of some of his top aids) and “craft” his briefings in light of that. IOW, they ain’t tellin’ him much.
Elie
@Major Major Major Major:
Pierce is a great guy but I observe him to be a worry wart and pearl clutcher. I was initially surprised by that but have had to accept it after reading the same kind of criticism from him over and over. Kevin Drum also. Good guys but Hillary jes can’t do enough and everything is always not quite there yet…. Oh well…
? Martin
@Brachiator:
Ha! I guarantee Trump has spent more time at WWE than Broadway, and he may fucking own a building on Broadway.
Trump is the guy who only goes to Yankee games on giveaway days so he has something to throw on the field when they lose. Trump’s idea of culture is gold-plating the mudflap girl.
Applejinx
In fairness, the ‘p’ key is ALL the way on the top of the keyboard, plus it’s way over to the right where the backspace is.
Stands to reason Donald’s fingers can’t… quite… reach it…
:D
Strange times we have when the liberals are panting for a curb stomping, but as the fellow in Young Frankenstein says, “A riot is a terrible thing. Und I think it is about time we had one!”. If it’s gotta be civil war so be it. Hopefully it doesn’t turn out all the same in the end, but rolling over for Trump is not a thing that is going to happen.
I’ve been a busy little Applejinx: dunno if you folk have ever heard house music, but I have more or less successfully crossed it with the prog/psychedelic that I love. Here’s what I do when not over-panicked by politics: https://soundcloud.com/applejinx/regardless
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
@hovercraft:
I mostly loves me some CPP, but every now and then he just goes dense. Charlie, my love, we still have five months and many speeches to go until the election. Why do you think (and why would you want) HRC to lay everything out in a speech in early June?
Mnemosyne
@debbie:
There’s so much “Hamilton” news these days that in can’t keep up! I’m not surprised he’s saying he’s going to stay out of the election right now, but I suspect he’ll get pulled in further down the line. His dad is one of the big political consultants in New York.
Elie
@JaneE:
The numbers just aren’t there but I never want to take anything for granted, of course. Trump is not going to pick up enough of the white vote that Romney didn’t get and almost zero of the latinos, black and Asian popoulations. Its like Bernie and explaining arithmetic. When you do the estimated counts, the numbers do not add up… Still, GOTV my people and I plan to work that down to the nubs..
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@debbie: Thanks! I always assumed most rowdy people know that a little grease – lotion will do in a pinch! – helps keep any landed blows from leaving marks. They’ll tend to end up more “glancing” and slipped than solidly landed.
Oh no, I’ve said too much…
Major Major Major Major
@Applejinx: I’m sure somebody here’s heard house music before :P
Not my cuppa, but cool! Thanks for sharing!
smith
Speaking of the olde days with McConnell, TPM has an interesting bit about his convoluted thought process — seems the Turtle voted for LBJ back in the day because he was aghast at Goldwater’s stand on civil rights. According to Yertle, it’s Goldwater’s fault the Repubs lost the AA vote, cause I guess nothing they’ve done since then could explain it.
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: What did Don Ho ever do to you?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Applejinx:
Why would that be strange? I’ve been a liberal since the 70’s and I’ve always loved curb stomping Republicans.
hovercraft
When the likes of Joni Ernst has to go around apologizing for you it’s a bad day.
debbie
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
I did not know that. I’ll have to pack some lotion for the several family functions I’ve got coming up. Thanks!
Elie
@debbie:
I’m not sure anyway how she could easily reassure those who think she is hawkish in one speech. She is gonna be commander and chief and she will have at her disposal the full scope of the power the office gives her. Would she unilaterally disarm herself and her country by announcing some a priori “I’ll never do such and such…?” I think she spoke very effectively about the dangers of nuclear war and overly aggressive stances on the part of a US president. Doesn’t that say enough at this stage? I think CP’s comment was stupid for him.
Frankensteinbeck
@Baud:
If he does, it will be the biggest mistake he ever made. Conservatives didn’t care two rat farts about Aqua Buddha, but when it scared Rand Paul and he canceled a debate, his numbers cratered until he rescheduled. Not debating Hillary will be taken as cowardice, maybe even more because they hate and disrespect her so much.
Mike E
@Corner Stone: yep, just a piece in a campaign that has weeks/months to run before reaching the finish line…perhaps Charlie has blue balls from all the previous candidates’ missed opportunities to fuck Trump, who knows
chopper
yeah, trump got schlonged all right.
SiubhanDuinne
@lollipopguild:
Never did anything either to me or for me.
Another Holocene Human
@Patricia Kayden: The last thing The Donald wants to do is debate her.
lollipopguild
@Applejinx: Footsteps! Crowd==Huh? FOOTSTEPS! FOOTSTEPS!
hovercraft
Randy Mook is playing hardball, they sent up a follow-up memo on all her hits on Trump, so he can’t weasel away.
Randy P
@The Golux: The question is when, not if. My money is on “the first press conference after the briefing”
Brachiator
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Thanks for the clarification. Trump’s got lots of studying to do.
Germy Shoemangler
@chopper: He got queened!
Elie
@debbie:
No no no — can’t be lotion. Has to be grease that doesn’t rub in — like Vaseline. The slippery surface makes the blows more glancing (PS – I know about those family functions) :-)
PaulWartenberg2016
@lollipopguild:
Too Many Bubbles.
Troublesome Carp fka Geeno
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Vaseline also slows bleeding from cuts in bare knuckle fighting so you don’t get blinded by a cut eyebrow.
PaulWartenberg2016
@El Caganer:
Drumpf voters after November: “What Was I Thinking?”
or
“I’ll Never Smoke Meth With the GOP Again”
hovercraft
@Brachiator:
The extent of the briefing will be at the current president’s discretion. So it likely to be very brief and barley scratch the surface.
The Lodger
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Are you referring to Donald Trum?
debbie
@Elie:
All through art school, I stuck to water-based media, so I’ve got a long-standing aversion to greasy stuff like vaseline on my hands. Maybe I’ll just go with soap in a sock.
burnspbesq
@sacrablue:
Didn’t he give it on Univision last week?
Avalie
Was lucky enough to see this speech in person here in San Diego. She did a masterful job of laying out the contrast between Trump and her own competence and experience in foreign policy.
Elie
@debbie:
LOL — well you will definitely be clean?
? Martin
@germy:
Embarrassing, mostly. Not only due to Trump’s performance, but that the most powerful nation on earth has descended to this.
El Caganer
@SiubhanDuinne: I like
JWR
Slightly OT, but can anybody point me to a site that tells me not just the delegate count so far, but who actually won each states primary or caucus?
Just trying to find out where Bernie “we’re going to march into the Dem convention and march out with the Dem nomination” Sanders got the number of primaries he claims to have won. (20, IIRC.) Thx.
Elie
@debbie:
Anyway, the Vaseline would be put on your face — not really your hands. Boxers use it on their face to make the blows more likely to glance off… You would either wrap your hands or put on boxing gloves.. My understanding anyway from watching boxing matches…
The Lodger
@SiubhanDuinne: Is that Don Ho channeling Don the Ho?
Feebog
Donald Trump, fingers so short they can’t reach the “p” on a keyboard.
Shell
It was cherce!
Of course, all th e pundits were “Yes, but…”
Yes, but the polls out of California!
Yes, but it really wasn’t a foreign policy speech. And even if it was, American voters don’t really care about foreign policy.
Yes, but she still has Sanders to deal with!
Jesus.
debbie
@Elie:
That does make more sense. Stupid me. All I really know about fighting is running faster than the guy trying to catch me.
Kalimama
@JWR: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
Elie
@JWR:
Man, its so over. Wikipedia might have the complete list. Hillary put Bernie into permanent second place with her performance today. Nobody is gonna vote for old crabby pants and if he doesn’t shut up soon, aint no democrats gonna pay off his debts or see him in any of their caucuses. Not sure what happened but he is in a very strange and unhappy place and digging the hole deeper.
Elie
@debbie:
I hear THAT —
SiubhanDuinne
@Avalie:
Very lucky you! Could you say more about the event?
burnspbesq
@JWR:
This is what I use.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/
SiubhanDuinne
@The Lodger:
I was trying to do some kind of Don/Donald wordplay but didn’t get far at all. “Don the Ho” might work.
El Caganer
@Elie: Pierce may not be completely over his Berning fever yet.
El Caganer
@hovercraft: I thought it was Obama’s job to apologize to foreign countries?
burnspbesq
@SiubhanDuinne:
“Tiny fingers …”
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@The Lodger: Of course.
Avalie
@SiubhanDuinne:
It was relatively small, invitation-only crowd–no idea how I got on the guest list. She was definitely targeting the military-veteran presence here in San Diego and using that to point out how those of us with connections to the military would risk the most under a Trump presidency. She had the crowd eating out of her hand and got several standing ovations. Despite hammering Trump, she put forth a positive philosophy and optimism that had us all fired up and enthused at the close of the speech. I took my daughter and my niece with me (both 17)–it was great to see the diverse, multigenerational support for Hillary in San Diego
Shell
Tiny Fingers….Isnt he a character in Game Of Thrones?
Elie
@Avalie:
VERY cool! Thanks for the report….
Villago Delenda Est
@Elie: What’s worse (for Drumpf) is he doesn’t even realize he’s doing it, because he’s so busy preening.
Jeffro
@Brachiator:
Exactly. How the “deep bench” didn’t point out that Trump kept saying he’d ‘hire the best people’ in every circumstance…but doesn’t even know enough to discern who the ‘best people’, ‘best policies’, or ‘his head from his a$$’ are…I’ll never understand. Good on Clinton for pointing out the obvious: The Emperor Has No Brain, and Only 1 Layer of Skin.
Bobby Thomson
@JWR:
There’s no such thing as winning a state’s primary or caucus. It’s not like the Senate, where every state gets the same two. It’s not even like the electoral college. It’s a meaningless metric. It’s also ambiguous. Do you mean who had the higher popular vote? Doesn’t even exist in the caucus states. Do you mean who came out with more pledged delegates? Just look at the 538 infographic on who’s on track to get a majority of pledged delegates – it gives you the number of delegates per state, which in some instances is a tie.
JWR
@JWR: Thanks for all the responses, and I finally found a transcript from Sanders’ appearance on CBS this past weekend, where he accurately notes that he’s won 20 “states”, but I saw a clip of another recent speech before one of his adoring, if delusional throngs, and he tells them that he’s won 20 “primaries”, which is a complete lie. (And yes, I know why he said it one way on CBS, and another way before his supporters. ;-) )
JWR
@Bobby Thomson:
That’s what I finally realized. (Sanders obviously does realize he was making a misleading statement.) Thank you all again. (And sorry for being so dense.)
Cacti
@Elie:
You wrap the hands, then put on the gloves.
The wraps give your carpals and metacarpals increased support to reduce the risk of hand or wrist injury.
;-)
Gravenstone
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Speculation: assuming trump hasn’t had the inevitable breakdown between now and Cleveland, what are the odds he makes it through a couple of foreign policy briefings outlining just how many challenges there are abroad that our press corpse can’t be arsed to speak to) and doesn’t come out the other side with a solid case of Thousand Yard Stare? Of course, Secretary Clinton is under no illusions of just what such challenges actually exist.
Adam L Silverman
@Gravenstone: They will carefully control what he gets and how he gets it. This has already been reported on. The Administration, let alone the Intelligence Community, cannot count on him not to blurt something out because he either doesn’t understand the rules or doesn’t think they apply to him. Additionally, he has as his senior strategic advisor, Paul Manafort, a man who is one degree of separation from Vladimir Putin for his work for Victor Yanukovych, as well as Manafort’s staff that he brought with him into the campaign. None of them, as a result, are currently eligible for clearances. The chance that Trump might share something, again either because he doesn’t understand the rules or doesn’t think they apply to him, with Manafort is to high to provide him with anything significant. There is too great a chance it will just end up with Putin.
Adam L Silverman
I’ve freed everyone from the sin bin, so if you were wondering where your comment was, it was probably in moderation. I just got in and haven’t had a chance to dive into this stuff yet, but as I did with Trump’s foreign policy speech, I’ll go through the transcript and have a full breakdown for you all tomorrow.
NonyNony
@Jeffro: The deep bench had to worry about not alienating Trump voters. They had to be careful to not cross the line between “This man is a moron” and “you’re a moron for supporting this moron.”
Clinton’s advantage here is that she doesn’t have to give a fuck about alienating Trump voters. None of them will ever vote for her anyway. She needs to get out her voters and maybe convince some Republicans who think Trump is a moron that she’s the lesser evil.
Tom Q
@JWR: In case you’d like even further info — including the percentages by which the primaries/caucuses have been won — this Wikipedia page is what I’ve been using:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elie: I love Pierce but he does tend to be big on “Obama finally did this…” and “Clinton almost got came close to getting that right…”
Adam L Silverman
@bystander: It wasn’t her decision and her decision alone. She may have developed the policy proposal and pushed for it, but the decision belonged to the President. Secretaries of State do not get to decide when and where to conduct military operations. That’s not how the system works. Does she deserve to be held responsible for developing and advocating the policy? Yes. President Obama is, however, the person responsible for making the decision to accept that proposal and order its execution.
Adam L Silverman
@Bob In Portland: You mean this propaganda and maskirovka piece written by a correspondent for the Russian government controlled RT (Russia Today)?
http://thesaker.is/22776/
The site is a pro-Putin propaganda mill that doesn’t even provide an about page or bio of its proprietor. Sources have to be vetted. No one knows who the person or persons behind the site are. So there is no way to vet who they are. But based on who they list in their community we know who they’re connected too, including the former Russian military and intelligence personnel, who are behind Southfront.
Adam L Silverman
@Bob In Portland: And it posted without any problem. No one is censoring you, but if you make the claim again I will ban you for implying that someone at Balloon Juice is trying to prevent you from doing whatever it is you think you’re doing here in the comments.
Corner Stone
@Adam L Silverman: DougJ’s Cranky Pants!
lollipopguild
@PaulWartenberg2016: The bubbles are also Tiny.
Adam L Silverman
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Is your email working okay? I’ve gotten to failure to deliver responses since yesterday.
NotoriousJRT
@bystander:
Given up on Rachel. Don’t know if I will ever go back. Prime time has ruined Chris Hayes IMO.
Adam L Silverman
@Corner Stone: I don’t know what that means, but ok.
Ruckus
@raven:
Sorry about your friend. May he RIP.
I never understood the hate or disgust some have for other than “their” branche of the service. You served your country. What difference does it make which branch?
JWR
@Tom Q: Yep, been there already. Thanks! I think I was fooled, not swayed, mind you, by Bernie! and his assurance that he’d won “20 primaries”. This had me questioning what I thought I knew about elections, and whether there had been some major change that I wasn’t aware had taken place.
Ruckus
@sacrablue:
Copied this from the sec of state site.
Here’s the link to the CA sec of state site.
Uncle Cosmo
@Davis X. Machina: Where do you want these Intertubes sent?
Srsly, nearly pithed my panth LOLing after that one!
Uncle Cosmo
@Major Major Major Major: I’d chip in for one in nightshade meringue, so long as we can verify he eats a slice.
sinnedbackwards
@RaflW: I’ve always thought that if we needed to invent new venereal terms a “poltroon of politicians” and a “snide of comedians” would do nicely.
Ruckus
@sacrablue:
He can go to his polling place with his mail in ballot and trade it in for a Dem ballot. That’s the easiest way and given the date, the only way.
Bobby Thomson
@El Caganer: shorter Pierce: but . . . but . . . Iraq vote!
Ruckus
@JWR:
Here is the Guardian tracker.
columbusqueen
@Ramping Up: Rrrrighht. . .is that like buying swampland in FL?
Meg
@sacrablue: yes.
Uncle Cosmo
@Adam L Silverman: Jeezus H. Christ on a Harley, Adam, hasn’t the pathetic Boob from Putinland already polluted this site enough for a wallop with a Siberia-sized banhammer?
And hurl Rigid Dismantled, dullarddread, & Cramping Flup alongside him into the outer dorkness, why doncha?
Adam L Silverman
@Uncle Cosmo: I don’t own the site, so…
(I don’t even get paid. Not even in gift cards!)
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: But you make up for it in volume, right?
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Highly unlikely.
jefft
@Frankensteinbeck: “Not debating Hillary will be taken as cowardice”
Yeah, it would
But then again, Donny IS a coward
My bet is that there will be no debate
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Oh, come on, Adam: “The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of his employer.”
AnotherBruce
@SiubhanDuinne: She laid out enough. She’s just warming up her muscles for the pounding. One thing I noticed about Trump’s twitter response is that it was weak, very low energy. Also, it was embarrasing whining come from a man who is into his 70s.
seaboogie
@NonyNony: One reason why I think it doesn’t hurt that she is perceived as a “hawk”. Also, she is a woman, so I think this works in Clinton’s favor.
Miss Bianca
@Avalie: Very late to the thread – can’t sleep – but just wanted to say “how cool”!
planetjanet
@Davis X. Machina: I need to bookmark that quote.
Captain C
@The Golux: I suspect the reports will be put together with that in mind, that and the fact that some of Trump’s people have Putin ties.