We went hiking yesterday at an inland nature preserve near Brooksville, Florida. It’s called Chinsegut, and we’ve been there before. It’s a lovely place with easy trails through sandhill and hardwood hammock habitats:
It’s usually an easy hike, but yesterday, it was hotter than a red-headed roofer. We got a late start, so we were traipsing through the woods during the suffocating heat. The birds had more sense than we did — they mostly stayed hidden in the woods. But we did see a couple of wild turkeys on the way to the preserve:
We also saw the gopher tortoise pictured below on the trail. It was greedily devouring a plant when we first noticed it. I interrupted its meal long enough to take this photo:
Gopher tortoises dig burrows all over the place, so you have to watch your step around them. They are otherwise harmless, unlike this snapping turtle* we saw, which gave us the most evil look, as if we’d trampled its eggs (we hadn’t). They can be nasty customers, so we kept our distance:
After a relatively short but sweaty hike, we figured we deserved a treat, so when we got home, I made this peach pie, pictured below when it was still hot and bubbly, fresh from the oven:
I need to work on my crust-crimping game, but the pie is pretty awesome, if I do say so myself. The trick is to mix the sliced peaches and half the sugar in a bowl and let it set for a bit. Then put a colander on a saucepan, dump the peaches into the colander to drain and return them to the bowl.
Then you boil the sugary peach juice in the saucepan until it reduces down to a syrup and add it back to the peaches. That way, your pie won’t be too runny, which is always a danger with peach pies.
Anyhoo, that’s what we did with our Saturday. Today is the last day of our vacation, so we’ll have to make the most of it. We’re still deciding how — baseball, beer and BBQ are under consideration. Got any plans today?
Open thread!
* A couple of commenters pointed out that this is probably a Florida softshell turtle. I think they’re right.
RedDirtGirl
Fighting off a sore throat with ginger tea and oil of oregano. It’s a gray day in Brooklyn, with thunderstorms promised.
Aardvark Cheeselog
Arrived yesterday on Florida’s left coast for a week of vacation, just in time for the first storm warnings of the season. Can confirm that yesterday was hot enough to melt the balls off of a brass monkey.
debbie
I bought a couple quarts of blueberries yesterday. They are less delicious than they looked, so I made blueberry crisp yesterday. Today, I’m making cold blueberry soup with the rest of them and hoping this will be an object lesson in not losing my mind when blueberries come in season.
OzarkHillbilly
Snapping turtles, while very aggressive, are actually very easy to catch and quite tasty too. They can’t turn very fast (on land, in the water they are a little more agile tho still not too difficult to catch) so all you need to do is grab them by the tail. Oh, and hold them up and away from your leg, at least if you don’t want to lose a chunk.
MattF
Farmer’s market this morning, get mushrooms maybe some friuts and veggies. Then bakery, get some bread and sweets. Then settle in for stormy weather this afternoon.
Betty Cracker
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Yeah, looks like we’ll have a tropical storm, but nothing too terrible. Sucks if you had outdoor / Gulf plans, though. Still, it should cool us off. Here’s a great site to track Florida tropical weather events.
FlyingToaster (Tablet)
Rain will probably cancel the raptor show down the street, so probably indoor chores for me, violin for the kid, and surreptitiously working at his new job for HerrDoktor.
La Caterina (Mrs. Johannes)
Another Brooklynite here. Heading to the office to catch up on work and hoping to get together with gal pals later for dinner. I’d have to work today anyway, but the bad weather makes it less tragic.
Betty Cracker
@OzarkHillbilly: Once I saw a snapper on the highway out in the country. It was hunkered down on the center line and nearly got squished by a couple of cars, so I pulled over to see if I could get it out of the road to safety. When I approached it, it climbed half way out of its shell to try to bite me, but it stayed in the road. Luckily, a sheriff stopped to help. He put his club near the turtle’s head, and it latched on. Then the cop flung it off into the ditch.
Vince
I was just thinking about making a peach pie. Also, should mention that you should do the same kind of draining with apple pies.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: I have seen a # of squashed snappers on the roads around here and can assure you it was not by accident that they were. Pisses me off. I like having things around that aren’t afraid of me. Keeps me in my place.
J.
That is one good-looking peach pie! And baseball, beer & BBQ sound like a perfect Sunday to me.
MomSense
That pie looks delicious. Sadly no pie baking for me today as my kitchen is now full of deck furniture in boxes. It’s raining so I have to build it indoors and the dog keeps trying to steal the pieces.
hamletta
Great tip about pies! I made an apple pie the other day, and it wasn’t too soggy. My crust was too brittle, though. Guess I went a bit overboard being conservative with the water.
MomSense
Some pharmacy commercial came on for a new pill to help back pain. I just heard my kid say “What? Those side effects sound way worse than the problem”. They did, too. Brain damage leading to possible death, severe decrease in white blood cells, etc.
Hillary Rettig
I like how the pie is roughly the same shape as the tortoii – scrolling down it was kind of like a visual pun. I also like tortoii in general, having had a tortoii pet as a kid.
I sent you a shoutout in the Summer Reading thread, Betty – recommended two books that put the Thor back in Thursday.
delk
Today is National HIV/AIDS Long-Term Survivor Awareness Day. Here’s to those that have made it 30 plus years.
Iowa Old Lady
That pie is beautiful, Betty.
NotMax
Suppose it’s time to begin scouring airfares for the now apparently annual sojourn to NY sometime in late summer (a journey really, really, really not looking forward to making again so soon).
Ramping Up
Crooked Hillary once again on the defensive when it comes to emails–spent most of her interview this morning talking about it! Sad!
Ramping Up
NEW BOOK TO ROCK HILLARY CAMPAIGN
This could be to 2016 what Unfit for Command was to 2004. “Agents Against Clinton” group to follow around the convention! Stay tuned!
Amir Khalid
Local papers in Malaysia are full of stories about Muhammad Ali’s visit here in 1975, for his fight with European heavyweight champion Joe Bugner. (Ali won on points over 15 rounds.) Fans remember a kind and generous champ.
ThresherK
Crust skillz? I don’t have them. So I am very impressed. Also, you have peaches in June? Also impressed.
I don’t remember where (ATK maybe) but my go-to peach pie has me cooking some of the peaches down before putting them in the crust.
Local farmstand just put out the sign for Native Strawberries yesterday. I gotta go there.
CBS Sunday Morning has a great piece on a meeting many black athletes (Jim Brown, Bill Russell, the then-Lew Alcindor, as just a few headliners) had with Ali about the latter’s refusal to go into the military. How did I somehow never know, or forget, this event?
rikyrah
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
Amir Khalid
@Ramping Up:
I smell a fish. Aren’t Secret Service agents under nondisclosure orders, to keep books like this from coming out and compromising the Secret Service’s ability to do its job?
raven
This dude was in the backyard.
rikyrah
The turtles look so cute. The pie looks delicious ?
Baud
@rikyrah: You wished us good morning in the last thread. Are you franchising?
And can I get in on the action?
raven
@ThresherK: Because you weren’t “there”?
leeleeFL
@debbie: In season is the trick. Few more weeks for blueberries, now is the time for berry stuff we add the demon sugar to! Blueberry crisp, yum!
BillinGlendaleCA
@Amir Khalid:
I think you’re smelling a troll, they just smell like rotting fish.
MattF
Amusing thing at the farmer’s market. One of the stands sells greenhouse cherry tomatoes– the standard price is $6 a pint. But today it was two pints for $6– so, even the professionals get inundated at some point.
PsiFighter37
In Norway so have been a bit tuned out, but I read that McCain is endorsing Trump. The GOP literally has zero sense of pride. All they care about is winning.
Ramping Up
@Amir Khalid:
The book is coming out. Get ready for the “swiftboating” of Hillary.
Word is he was standing outside the Oval Office while Clinton was getting a BJ, and he writes about it in the book among other things.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: I think they use rotten fish to cover up the stench of trolls.
geg6
Although I love to cook, I am, for good reason, leery of baking. It has often been a disaster for me. But I finally dove in and decided to try making pizza from scratch. Started easy with a margarita pizza the other night. Turned out really, really good. I mean really good. The dough recipe made enough for two pies, so I’m making a white pizza with ricotta, fresh mozzarella, parmigiano reggiano, garlic, sliced shallots, chopped basil, spinach and arugula and sliced plum tomatoes. Pretty excited to start playing around with this. Finally, I have found something baked that I can do well!
Baud
Hillary Clinton received a blow job in the Oval Office. That would be scandalous…and awesome!
Amir Khalid
@PsiFighter37:
Meanwhile, their nominee for President is working hard to unite all Americans against himself.
barbequebob
Betty,
Isn’t that a soft-shelled turtle?.
All,
snapping turtles are actually not aggressive in the true sense of that word.
The behavior that people describe as aggressive is in fact, a defensive behavior, exhibited in response to a threat, such as when a human approaches them. Back off and they stand down. I describe it as a “robust defense”.
Reason for it is simple. The lower shell (technical name is plastron) is small in a snapping turtle and there is plenty of bare flesh on a snapper’s underside. Snapper’s can not adopt a passive defense like the gopher tortoise of box turtle. They would be eviserated by predators if they allowed them to get to their “soft underbelly”
beth
Forgive my poor cooking and reading skills, but what happens to the other half of the sugar? Does it go into the syrup or back into the peaches?
evodevo
@MomSense: One of our dogs (a rescue Weimaraner, smart as hell, and autistic/PTSD – really peculiar!) likes to “assist” my husband when he changes the oil in the cars – takes the oily paper towels, steals wrenches and buries them in the woods, etc. She really gets excited when you ask her if she wants to “help” and wags her tail when you tell her she’s a “good assistant” LOL
Mike J
Eagles were out in force at the lake yesterday. We have a log boom that separates our little lagoon from the big bad lake (with a cut of course to get the boats out). Bald eagles love to sit on the pilings and look for the trout, bass, and salmon that populate thew lake. I made a downwind run yesterday paralleling the log boom, offset about 20 yards, and passed four eagles sitting there undisturbed.
I’m dockmastering today, so I’ll be there again in the 90°F (33°C) heat.
MomSense
@PsiFighter37:
Hi hi! I’m so envious. Norway is beautiful this time of year – well it’s always beautiful but easier to be outside now.
Baud
@PsiFighter37: Who knew that Romney was the one with the most integrity?
MattF
@PsiFighter37: It’s worse than you think, considering that Arizona has a significant Hispanic population.
Baud
@MattF: Flipping Arizona would be amazing.
MomSense
@evodevo:
Ha!! Sounds like my pup. She loves to help with laundry which means stealing the clothes faster than I can get them in the washer.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I believe that sort of thing is popular in Japan, along with cheerleaders at baseball games.
Pinacacci
Morning all! Pretty sure that is a florida softshell and not a snapper. Off to work, enjoy the day! *poof* /goes back to lurking
amk
Stupid trolls. Only at bj. Pun was intended.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: Story needs more tentacles to be truly Japanese.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike J: They must have not been around when I was up(I know the eagle population was pretty much decimated in the lower 48 in the 70’s), I’ve only seem them in zoos and in Alaska.
Achrachno
@OzarkHillbilly: This one is not a snapping turtle though. It’s some species of softshell turtle — the smooth & leathery upper shell is conspicuous in the photo. Softshells are also quick to defend themselves by biting, and I gather they’re quicker and more agile than snappers, so you might be better off not handling one, at least not in the same way.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I’m sure our troll will have a link(probably Gateway Pundit, aka SMOTI) to the tentacles part later in the day.
ThresherK
@raven: I won’t give my age, let’s just say it would not be something I’d be aware of at the time.
I wasn’t “there” when other things happened around then, like the two African American runners, John Carlos and Tommie Smith, getting stripped of their medals in Mexico City because of their black power fists.
But it’s part of the common memory.
So how did this gap get there? Who else has it? Just curious, that’s all.
StringOnAStick
I’m finally off of crutches, so I got a look at my veggie garden (all self watering containers) yesterday for the first time in 9 days. Wow, so much growth! I over did it walking around and weeding a few things with one crutch, and was up most of the night with knee pain that the p*escriptions couldn’t touch, so: lesson learned. I’ll be much less ambitious today. Our yard is going to be on the state’s native plant society tour this spring, but they have forgotten to forward me the date, or else I missed it in the the pain/m*d fog. I contacted them about that now that I can stand to sit at my PC for a little bit. The kindle has been great for surfing while I was totally laid up, but typing comments is a lot harder and the photos look so much better on a PC.
Betty, what kind of turtle did I see on Sanibel last fall that had these really cool yellow “rune-like” patterns on it’s shell? It was gorgeous.
Saw a juvenile bobcat cruise through the back yard at 5:30 this am; I just love that.
burnspbesq
@Ramping Up:
The only sad thing about the Clinton email thing is the dickheads like you who refuse to accept that there is nothing there. Kindly go gargle with Drano.
Ramping Up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3626031/A-Secret-Service-agent-protected-Hillary-Clinton-set-publish-tell-book.html
Ramping Up
@burnspbesq:
Sure seems to get a lot of coverage! It’s eating her campaign! Taking up all her time. Wanted to attack Trump but now we’re back to Emailgate!
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: Appendagegate is totes going to sink Clinton. Completely neutralizes the scandal of Trump’s hair.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
So Bill Clinton was selected by Ali’s family to do the eulogy, and some BernieBros are (predictably) whining about it.
Countdown to “Ali was made to die to provide another great public Clinton moment” in 5…4…3…2…
MattF
@StringOnAStick: Careful with the crutch! Don’t stop wearing shoes! Speaking from personal, painful experience here.
burnspbesq
@Ramping Up:
No one with a functioning brain cares. Only shit like you.
Brachiator
@Amir Khalid:
Thanks for this. I had been listening to some BBC radio stories to get a sense of some of the international reaction to Ali’s passing. Reading about this adds to our understanding of Ali’s impact.
Baud
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Damn. In all seriousness, that’s impressive.
Ramping Up
@burnspbesq:
And not just present day scandals are on the table, but past ones, too.
A new Super PAC ad is coming out that shows the two Clintons morphing into one, and bringing up the 1990s sex scandals.
Also: google “Orgy Island”. We’re going to hit him on that after the Convention–Bill may very well have been having sex with teenage girls.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Is that what he calls the opossum on his head?
Betty Cracker
@Hillary Rettig: Thanks!
@beth: It gets mixed into the other dry ingredients (flour, cornstarch, spices) and added to the peaches. At least that’s the way I learned it.
burnspbesq
@Ramping Up:
See comment 62.
MattF
@BillinGlendaleCA: It’s his hair, he paid for it.
delk
@BillinGlendaleCA:
There are a lot in Illinois of all places.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: In fairness, it turns out that that’s his best feature.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Ramping Up: You should lay off the bath salts so early in the morning.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: You have an excellent point there.
Mike J
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Republicans want to kill off bald eagles again. Their response to Zika is to say that we should spray DDT to the point it stopsbeing effective and kills our national symbol. Mainly because liberals would like to have an effective spot treatment for mosquitoes and not kill off all the birds.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike J:
Why do they hate America? Maybe our resident troll can tell us and be useful for once.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: Between my puppy Henry and the kitties, I have barely wrapped a gift in years. They do love to help! :-)
That’s not really an option for your furniture, though. Your pup sounds like a (slightly maddening) total joy. They can teach us a lot about zest for life!
Betty Cracker
The Puerto Rico primary is today, right? Should be a big win for Clinton. The Sanders campaign hasn’t helped itself with all the whining about the process. Are they even talking about income inequality any more?
dedc79
Speaking of turtles:
Too many white americans seem to think it’s far worse to call a person a racist than it is to say racist things.
WaterGirl
@raven: Yikes!
Benw
Integrating a new kitty to the household. No contact with the lady kitty of the house yet, but the dogs are wild to eat the new kitty’s chow.
Brachiator
I will give the troll a half point on this. I’ve been wondering when this book, or something like it, would be released. The advance prep on this had been out there for a while.
One of the local talk radio stations did a long segment on some story about how the Secret Service agents assigned to Clinton despised here. The whole point of this diatribe was to emphasize how Hillary was an imperious, elitist snob who treated the Secret Service agents like peasants.
All in all, nothing more than one of the old familiar tunes from the right wing Clinton hate machine. But people like our little troll love this stuff because it pushes all their little buttons in all the right places.
Partisan Cheese
Hillary has now gone half a year without holding a press conference. What do you guys think? Totally fine, or completely fine, or complete indifference? I know there is zero criticism allowed here on Hillary, but it would be amusing to hear what flim flam excuses you guys have for this unfortunate statistic.
Mike J
@Betty Cracker:
They tried to help themselves by stealing two ballot boxes from the local prison as your link points out. I don’t see how that isn’t the lede,
PurpleGirl
@PsiFighter37: Where in Norway? My penpal came from Lillhammer although after college he stayed in Oslo.
MattF
Via TPM, I do believe that Noot just disqualified himself for VP.
amk
@Partisan Cheese: meh.
PurpleGirl
@Baud: I wonder who gave it permission to come out from under the bridge. (In the kitten cams, we call trolls UBDs — Under Bridge Dwellers.)
BillinGlendaleCA
@Brachiator:
Yup, about 25 years.
Betty Cracker
@Partisan Cheese:
Well, that right there marks you as a liar, a fool or both. You and other Bernie Bros freely and frequently criticize Clinton in comments here, and at least three of the front-pagers are Bernie voters who detailed their objections to Clinton in front-page posts.
As for the press conference question, I honestly don’t know if it’s customary for candidates to frequently hold them or not. If it is, then yes, Clinton should follow suit. Also, if Sanders is going to hold press conferences and criticize Clinton for not holding them, he should allow the media to ask questions on whatever topic they like instead of limiting queries to his preferred subject since that is the common understanding of what a “press conference” is.
ruemara
@Mike J: Pro-democracy as long as they’re winning. For once, a both sides narrative that’s true. Odd to see leftist authoritarianism coming from the supposed very left.
Brachiator
@Partisan Cheese:
Near complete indifference. I didn’t know about this, and I still don’t know how it compares to the other two candidates. And I suppose I could look it up, but I don’t care that much.
Trump and Clinton probably go further than, say, Bernie, to control and direct how the political media portray them. Trump has done more phone calls than appearances with the Sunday shows. And he has avoided some media venues like the plague.
But all three candidates are on the same page with respect to one thing. No matter how and where they appear, they do everything they can to stick to their message. Whether its a one on one interview or a press conference, you don’t get much out of them that is not boiler plate.
Also, I do wonder a bit whether Clinton fears that she might stumble in the more chaotic forum of a press conference, but in the end, I am more mildly curious than severely alarmed.
As always, your mileage may vary.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I don’t either. I recall that a few years ago Obama was criticized for not holding enough press conferences as president. Given the status of our media, I really don’t care about it that much.
burnspbesq
@Betty Cracker:
The Sanders campaign tripped over itself yesterday. They could have spun the relocation of the rally from the Hollywood Bowl to the Coliseum as evidence that the expected crowd was too big for the smaller venue. But nooooooo … the persecution complex took over, and they blamed a supposedly pro-Clinton city councilcritter.
otmar
My program for the next two hours: http://www.volksoper.at/Content.Node2/home/spielplan/spielplan_detail.php?event_id=963718288&produktion_id=961538142
Iowa Old Lady
@Brachiator:
I think I’ve read that the Secret Service says the same thing about Obama.
I assume that most SS agents are conservative Republicans. A friend of mine works in Federal law enforcement (not the SS), and that’s certainly true in the organization that person works for. Lots of ex-military and a boys’ club atmosphere.
MattF
@Baud: The media has its own narrative to promote. E.g., Ebola! I can see why Obama (or Clinton, for that matter) doesn’t feel a huge need to placate the media.
Chyron HR
@Partisan Cheese:
Bernie blames his loss in New York on the fact that “Republicans were not allowed to participate” in the primary. How does it feel to know that even he openly admits that he only got this far because he’s the preferred candidate of Republican voters?
burnspbesq
HRC gets all seven delegates in USVI caucus. Sanders is shut out as a result of getting less than 15 percent of the vote.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-hillary-clinton-sweeps-virgin-islands-1465135282-htmlstory.html
Amir Khalid
@Baud:
It’s not like the candidates have been sitting on their back porches at home, which if I recall correctly was once a perfectly acceptable way to run for president. Given how much coverage the presidential campaign is already getting, I hardly think anyone will really miss candidate press conferences. And it’s not like a campaign can’t find a way to manipulate press conferences to its candidate’s benefit.
Chyron HR
@burnspbesq:
Yes, but Sanders won all the delegates in the Press Conference primary. Checkmate, Democraps.
ThresherK
@Brachiator: I have long held that there’s a Cheney Axiom which goes:
For me, “Hillary doesn’t give enough interviews” (press conferences included) translates to “Hillary won’t just come into the room pre-apologizing for things she didn’t do, and won’t just let us repeat right-wing lies to her face as the facts in evidence”.
In other words, she’s got the same reason to loathe the press that every Democrat has since before she had Vince Foster killed. And she’s being a damn lot classier about it than I would be in her place.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
aw, Precious, do you need your blankie or your pinkie? how ’bout some juice?
In the abstract, I think all pols should hold news conferences, lots of them. But all the questions would be about process, “likability”, email and Trump, so I can’t get too upset about HRC’s reluctance. She gave a phone interview (which I’m not crazy about but I guess it’s gonna happen from time to time) to Chris Hayes, and I doubt there’s a more pro-Bernie! head talking on the TV. Maybe O’Donnell.
burnspbesq
LAT is attributing the move from the Bowl to the Sanders campaign’s failure or refusl to comply with ticketing and traffic-abatement rules that apply to all Bowl events.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sanders-greek-theatre-20160604-snap-story.html
Reggie Mantle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
But gee, I thought Hillary had been “tested”. I thought she was fireproof, like the Khaleesi, and had nothing to fear from even the nastiest attacks. Who knew she was so fragile?
Mike in NC
My theory is that the RtR troll’s mother’s basement was finished with lead paint, and he’s been eating the chips for years.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
sounds like Trump is getting pressed a little harder than usual this morning
though in fairness, in this he speaks for the majority of the Beltway, the people Obama criticized in that Goldberg piece: those who always want to do “something”, and who see military intervention as the only and infallible tool in the box. If it didn’t work, it’s just that it wasn’t used right.
Iowa Old Lady
@burnspbesq: I am so tired of this whiny, small ball stuff. Is this really how you start a revolution? Income inequality is a fundamental problem in this country. How did it get lost in the shuffle?
Chyron HR
Wow, what an amazing coincidence that two disciples of the one true god Bernie showed up at the exact same time.
amk
@Reggie Mantle: It must bern you that despite bern getting all the positive press is still losing.
Mike in NC
@Iowa Old Lady: Organizations like the FBI and CIA disproportionately attract people with authoritarian tendencies, and I’ve known many of them.
Reggie Mantle
@Chyron HR:
Lying again, Chyron? It’s a sickness with you, isn’t it?
Of course, when the Empress touts her appeal to Republicans, it’s “working across the aisle.” Everything’s okay when you’re Hillary.
burnspbesq
@Iowa Old Lady:
When you shoot at the queen, make sure your gun is a real gun and not a gun-shaped cigarette lighter. The Sanders campaign has been Amateur Hour from day one.
Weaselone
@Ramping Up:
I’m more concerned with the fact that this provides another example of the lack of professionalism of the Secret Service. They get drunk and solicit prostitutes while abroad, can’t keep random shitheels from climbing over the Whitehouse fence or taking pot shots at the building, and they apparently can’t keep their mouth’s shut regarding the people they protect. They’re making a pretty good case for outsourcing their jobs to a private firm. This crap wouldn’t be tolerated by an agency that provides security for celebrities and high net worth individuals.
smith
@Chyron HR:
I’ve come to the conclusion that these trolls are actually part of the 4chan swarm out trying to sow dissension between Hillary and Bernie supporters. The aggressiveness and persistence, plus no real attempt to persuade, says 4chan to me.
Renie
Don’t like hijacking a thread but so proud to say my son got an article printed on Salon.com on “Looking the other way: The accepted sexual abuse of young boys by institutional powers . If so inclined, please read and like it. Thanks!
Reggie Mantle
@Chyron HR:
When are you going to admit that I caught you lying when you claimed I said I’d never vote for Hillary under any circumstances? Or are you just going to try and deflect again by demanding the answer to the question I already answered?
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
It’s about competence, and Sanders demonstrates on a daily basis that he ain’t got none.
geg6
@Partisan Cheese:
But she gives zillions of interviews, often with local, not national press. Perhaps she sees the national campaign media as useless as I do. That’s why I don’t watch them. They have nothing of value to say or ask.
Reggie Mantle
@smith:
Y’all spend a lot of time thinking about the “trolls” and yet manage to come up with the wrong conclusion every damn time.
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
That would make you a pathogen. Virus, bacterium, fungus, or toxic chemical–inquiring minds want to know.
smith
@Reggie Mantle: Whatever, kiddo. That’s how your performance strikes me.
Reggie Mantle
@burnspbesq:
Heh.
Iowa Old Lady
@Renie: Congrats to your son. That’s a good article.
Reggie Mantle
@burnspbesq:
So Chyron only lies because I’ve infected him? Odd excuse.
Reggie Mantle
@smith:
Beware of the delusion that the Internet gives you psychic powers. Or a PhD in psychology, as so many seem to think.
debbie
@leeleeFL:
It also depends on where they’re from. The blueberries from Georgia are still great; California, not so much. Live and learn.
rikyrah
The White Entitlement of Some Sanders Supporters
If you’re young, white and privileged, you don’t expect to lose. When you do, it must be because you got cheated. Blacks know better.
At first I tried to ignore the conversation and thought they were Trump supporters (“Killary” is usually a right-wing thing). But once it became clear that these guys were Sanders supporters, I had to jump in. For years, these guys had been “my people.” I have been a fan of Sanders long before his presidential run and have made many friends due to our mutual admiration of his policies. Surely, I’d be able to have a civil, rational conversation with these guys, right?
When, I chimed in it was evident that we were speaking different languages. We agreed on most of the substantive policy issues, and I told them how I even interned for Sanders about a decade ago. We should have been able to see eye to eye, but we could not. The main source of their frustration was merely the fact that they had lost. The fact that she is ahead in the popular vote, has won more primaries and caucuses, and has earned more delegates was to them a minor nuisance. They had their absurd talking points and were unwilling to deviate into reality.
……………………………..
The more I reflected on them, the more I realized the key point: They felt entitled to win, and a defeat meant that someone must have cheated or that their opinions did not matter, which of course couldn’t be true. They preferred to suspend reality and fabricate injustices rather than concede that Sanders has lost fair and square.
Essentially, we disagreed on what America supposedly promised or owed us. They felt success was promised to them. The entitlement to believe that you should always win allowed them to overlook how the system in many ways has always been unjustly rigged in their favor because they’re white. I brought up race during our conversation and how I’m very aware of how a system can be rigged against you. These guys acknowledged my point, but it was obvious that this reality did not factor much into their thinking. They felt aggrieved and cheated, and that was all that mattered.
They could not understand the perspectives of blacks, Latinos and other minorities in America who are regularly treated as threats to society before their voices can be heard. We are often silenced before we even have the chance to win. And as a result, we know that losing is a reality we will confront and that success can be a difficult and long process that may only show its face in the lives of our children or grandchildren who have more opportunities because we’ve spent a lifetime fighting for positive change.
These guys could not understand this struggle. They wanted immediate success and gratification, and they were not used to things not going their way. The issues and the lives of others had become irrelevant. All they wanted was for me to agree that they had been unjustly cheated, and that “Killary” and the DNC had rigged everything against them. I could not agree, so I had to walk away.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@burnspbesq: it has been kind of interesting to watch St Bernard, who was all about issues and never ran a negative ad, turn all negative, all process. I suspect it’s Weaver and Jane feeding his ego and delusions. No question his head has been turned by the big crowds– which make for impressive pictures while representing fractions of voters– and maybe even the fawning hysterics of people like Sarandon and Dawson.
Reggie Mantle
@rikyrah:
I always get major laughs out of the Clintonites calling anyone “entitled”, considering the outraged reaction and the vitriol they spew at anyone who dares question the entitlement of the Queen to rule us all.
rikyrah
uh huh
uh huh
FRIDAY, JUN 3, 2016 12:32 PM CDT
Trump University is a microcosm of Trump’s campaign: Why Clinton is right to call him a dangerous huckster
Trump’s using his image and marketing savvy to sell a fantasy — the same strategy of the Trump University scam
SEAN ILLING
Donald Trump’s hucksterism is well-established by now. But the latest revelations about “Trump University” are unusually instructive; they sum up Trump’s shtick about as well as anything could. And the story is gaining traction.
This week, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman spoke publicly about the investigation into Trump’s counterfeit college. Appearing first on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Schneiderman said “This never was a university. The fraud started with the name of the organization, and you can’t just go around saying this is the George Stephanopolous Law Firm/Hospital/University without actually qualifying and registering, so it was really a fraud from beginning to end.”
Like his campaign, Trump University was a con job. It was an attempt to prey on the desperate and credulous, people who bought into Trump’s brand and thought they could bring a slice of it home. But they were sold a bill of goods by an unaccredited for-profit institution on the basis of Trump’s celebrity. Indeed, Trump himself, without any interest in the school or its curriculum, used his fame to peddle the product.
Reggie Mantle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Remember, attacking wives and family is out of bounds, unless you’re attacking Jane Sanders. It’s the Hillary Way.
Renie
@Iowa Old Lady: Thanks! It’s such an important issue too.
smith
@Reggie Mantle: Hah! As it happens, I do have a PhD in psychology.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
when are you going to show us all those comments from us here being behind the war in Iraq?
Miss Bianca
@Iowa Old Lady: Just how fucking chummy are you supposed to get with your Secret Service detail, anyway? Asking for a friend.
Emma
@Ramping Up: A story for you.
Once upon a a Crusader was returning from Jerusalem and got lost in a forest. After much searching he found a hut where an old woman was making soup. She fed him and made a bed for him in front of the fire. That night, the knight decided to join the woman in her evening prayers, but found he could not speak. The woman told him God was rejecting his prayers because he had committed so many crimes during his life. Angrily the knight told the woman that, if God didn’t want him, he would sell his soul to the Devil. The old woman answered sadly: “My son, why would the Devil pay for what you gave him for free?”
I hope you find at least a little joy in your sickness. It’s a long life to spend giving away your soul and not enjoy it.
Reggie Mantle
@chopper:
I see you’ve chosen option 2: deflection. No dice. Now if Chyron would answer the question?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
[email protected]Jim, Foolish Literalist: and not just amateurish, but petty, spiteful, stupid and incoherent:
2:00 pm “I will persuade the super delegates to ignore the popular vote and give me the nomination!”
2:11 pm: “Cornel West is just the guy I need to persuade Obama supporters to see things my way!” (or, just as likely: “I’ll show that gutless sell-out how a real progressive (TM) fights!”)
2:16 “Barney Frank must be removed from any prominent position at the convention I plan to disrupt in order to persuade people like Barney Frank to overrule primary voters and give me the nomination!”
Bernie!’s standard for working with allies is pretty much Trump’s: “They haven’t been nice to me…”
jurassicpork
A Bridge to Somewhere Dark: How and why Donald is so dangerous for America.
Reggie Mantle
@smith:
Then you should know better.
oldgold
The debates are really joint press conferences. Given that, HC has held many high profile ” press conferences” this year.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Miss Bianca: The kid has been doing her clinical work for several quarters in a hospital that treats quite a few celebrities. I know that she cannot, as a matter of law, talk about her patients. Why it also not the case for the people that provide protective services to our government officials?
ruemara
@Renie: no hijack; a welcome respite from stupidly engaging our current brace of trolls, Rambling Crazy and The Voice of 10 Million. Props to your son. That’s a difficult topic but one that needs to be talked about.
Reggie Mantle
@oldgold:
LOL. That is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Miss Bianca
@Reggie Mantle: What is it with this “The Queen” garbage. Do you have to work to sound this idiotic, or does it comes naturally to you? If HRC is “the Queen”, what does that make Bernie Sanders – the “Court Jester”?
Reggie Mantle, The Voice of 10 Million
@ruemara:
The Voice of 10 Million
Hmmm. I actually kind of like that. Has a nice ring to it.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
I’m just pointing out that you’re just as full of shit. you accuse somebody else of being a liar about you at the same time you cough up bullshit lies about others.
which makes you a hypocritical shitbag.
Reggie Mantle
@Miss Bianca:
See @burnspbesq’s comment about “when you shoot at the Queen” above.
Miss Bianca
@BillinGlendaleCA: I am sure it is supposed to be. And it should be not only a matter of policy, but professional pride, to keep confidentiality.
smith
@Reggie Mantle: Better than what? I expressed my opinion that your performance is very 4chan-like, clearly labeled as my opinion. I restrained myself from speculating about your Mommy and Daddy issues. Believe it or not, even psychologists are entitled to opinions about other people’s behavior.
Shell
Only in your addled head.
Reggie Mantle
@chopper:
This, of course, would mean that Chyron is just as full of shit as me.
Hey, dude, you said it.
Miss Bianca
@Renie: wow.
Iowa Old Lady
@Miss Bianca: I don’t know, but it’s occasionally occurred to me that it would suck to take a bullet for Trump.
beth
@Betty Cracker: Thanks Betty. I may have to give that a try today.
Reggie Mantle
@smith:
And I’m entitled to point out that your “opinion” (actually a statement of purported ‘fact’ that I came here as part of the “4chan swarm”) is laughably uninformed and free of any evidence. Which is why I say you should know better, Herr Doktor.
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
Clinton is entitled to the Democratic nomination because she won it. Sanders is not so entitled because he lost.
It really is that simple. Accept it, grow the fuck up, and move the fuck on.
Shell
Chilly and rainy here in NJ. Actually makes your joints ache. Have a carving for something spicy for lunch.
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
Which you knowingly took out of context.
BillinGlendaleCA
@burnspbesq: Guess you must have not taken “Bernie Math” in college.
Reggie Mantle
@burnspbesq:
You yourself called her the queen. It’s there in black and white. LOL.
MattF
OT, but quite interesting. NYT article about problems Credit Suisse is having and the problems its new CEO is having with dealing with them.
Reggie Mantle
@burnspbesq:
“You lost, STFU” is the same shit we saw from the Rethuglicans circa 2004. And now you’re them.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
so you’re admitting to being a full of shit liar. well, that settles it.
Omnes Omnibus
@burnspbesq: What makes you think the troll has any cultural literacy (popular or high)?
geg6
@smith:
That’s exactly it. He’s a troll and pay him no attention.
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
Fuck you. If you had any education or a lick of sense, you would know that I was riffing off an old saying. But you have neither, so you completely missed it, making yourself look extremely foolish in the process.
You’re out of your depth here.
BillinGlendaleCA
@geg6: He does seem to like pie alot.
Baud
CNN
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
I was a Democrat before your father could get an erection. GFY.
Reggie Mantle
@geg6:
You all keep saying that, but you’re incapable of doing it.
Well, I’ve enjoyed tying you all in knots with your own words for the last hour or so, but on to bigger and better things. See ya later, Lite Republicans. Enjoy that bile.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Please proceed Mr. Trump.
Baud
CNN
burnspbesq
@Reggie Mantle:
Don’t come back. You’re unwelcome.
satby
@Renie: Congrats to him and to his proud mom!
Baud
AP
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
see you next time, admitted full of shit liar and hypocrite.
burnspbesq
@BillinGlendaleCA:
To their credit, those damned nuns taught me actual arithmetic.
Mike J
@Baud: related:
On this day in history, 2008
Steeplejack (phone)
Nice lattice work on that pie, Betty!
I’m finishing up an overnighter to Rehoboth Beach and looking forward to a pleasant drive home across the Delmarva Peninsula. Well maintained two-lane roads, little traffic (I avoid the standard GPS route) until the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.
Might grab lunch before leaving.
Baud
@Mike J:
I can’t believe the time for conceding is upon us. I’m a little sad. Mr. Baud!’s Wild Ride is almost to an end.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike J: RFK was shot 48 years ago today.
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
A fair question. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, which he proceeded to prove himself unworthy of.
ruemara
@Baud: I think you should take it to the convention. Challenge them all to wrestle you for the nom! BAUD2016!!
Baud
@ruemara:
Mud or thumb?
Miss Bianca
@Baud: Wait, you’re conceding?! But I thought all those super delegates who were wavering were TOTALLY coming over to your side!
chopper
@Baud:
arm. i’m a go watch Over The Top to get some hints.
trollhattan
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Changing America’s political trajectory as profoundly as any event of my lifetime.
Baud
@Miss Bianca: If they did that, they wouldn’t be corrupt.
Mike J
@Baud:
Look at it this way. Clinton lost in 08 and came back a stronger candidate who swept the field.
Baud! 2024!
Baud
@Mike J: I’m thinking 2020. After all, the indictment is inevitable.
Renie
@satby: thanks! i was afraid the posting got lost among the trolling. btw i need to order from you again. are you still selling now even with all that has been going on in your life?
dmsilev
@Baud: It takes him a day and a half now to compose a set of Tweets? Sad!
jharp
It’s stay out of the woods season for me already.
Goddamn chiggers. It’s worse than poison ivy that you can’t see and it attacks you.
They get pretty bad around here.
And deer ticks. Already have had two on me this year.
What is it with the ticks? In my first 40 years I got none. The next 15 years I got 2 or 3 a year.
MattF
@Baud: According to Josh Marshall, Der Trump is on the verge of a no-foolin’ meltdown.
MattF
@jharp: Yeah, my sister has just been diagnosed with Lyme disease.
debbie
@MattF:
He can’t possibly last until November. The past couple of days, he’s reminded me of John Belushi’s SNL character who gets upset about something in the news. As he talks, he gets angrier and angrier, until he goes apoplectic and keels over.
hovercraft
Battle of the surrogates: Hillary has Warren, Michele Obama, Obama, Biden, et al.
Trump has McConnell- not a racist statement, Alberto Gonzalez- comparing him to child molesters and terrorists who also too deserve an impartial judge is this the best defense, and Paul Ryan- who is disowning you even as he endorses.
When the general officially begins next week it’s going to be amazing.
MattF
@hovercraft: Not to go all Godwin or anything… but maybe we should send the Trump campaign a nice chewable set of carpets.
hovercraft
@MattF:
Trump has said that a big factor in the break up of his first marriage was Ivana was him ‘giving’ her an executive position, she became too much of an executive, too hard. He doesn’t like strong women because he is insecure. Now two strong women are challenging him and belittling him on national TV and getting praise for doing so. For a man whose brand is being the big bully, this is driving him nuts.
Waiting for his Howard Beale moment.
dmsilev
Polling question of the day:
Bored? Guess maybe his act is getting stale.
(CBS/YouGov, polling California voters)
D58826
@Baud: Based on his talk show appearances over the weekend, he hasn’t gotten the memo. It’s gung-ho to Philadelphia. After all when you subtract out the corrupt primaries and caucuses, i.e. the ones he lost, discount all of the southern primaries, give added momentum weight to his delegates and flip the super delegates because that is the will of his people, why he is a shoe-in to be the nominee. It all makes perfect sense because he uses the Calvin ball rules of electoral politics.
dmsilev
@D58826: I’m sure you’ve seen the Bernie Math video. It’s a month or so old at this point, but is still dead-on.
jharp
@MattF:
Thankfully we don’t have much Lyme disease in Indiana.
I’m told it’s pretty curable. Yes?
D58826
yes.
MattF
@jharp: If it’s caught early.
Amir Khalid
@D58826:
When Bernie talks about working hard to keep Donald out of the White House, I sense that he means to do so as the Democratic nominee, having dismissed in his mind the possibility that it will be Hillary.
D58826
@Amir Khalid: Yes I agree. His people are already claiming the Puerto Rico primary is rigged against him. It’s going to be hard to walk back a lot of what he has said, esp. things said this late in the process. It’s one thing to say ‘while I want single payer I can support nominee Hillary’s more incremental approach’. It’s a lot harder to walk back ‘the system is corrupt. Hillary is part of that system. we was robbed of our rightful victory’.’
Brachiator
@Iowa Old Lady:
The right wing nutjob web sites always distort Secret Service “exposes” into the simplistic nonsense that Republican presidents, vice presidents and families are all moral, patriotic and kind, while Democrats are immoral, unpatriotic and hateful. These sites bash the Obamas and also add that they hate white people.
Oddly enough, though, the author of one book, Ronald Kessler, states that a viral e-mail’s descriptions of Obama and Clinton “are completely wrong.” Instead, he notes:
But again, the nutjob web sites aren’t having any of this, and insist on giving full vent to their Obama Derangement Syndrome.
trollhattan
@jharp:
If diagnosed early it’s curable with antibiotics. If it progresses further it’s not curable and is a chronic, lifelong affliction similar to syphilis. We have a friend who suffers from it.
Brachiator
@MattF:
I won’t believe it until I actually see it happen during one of the Trump rallies.
This might be a good time for his meltdown, too.
If he could actually deliver something a day before the California primary, it might be interesting. Won’t change anything, but it might make for an interesting diversion. But damn, I can imagine that he is steaming. And even on the Sunday shows, those conservatives who are being held hostage to his candidacy, uh, I mean who loyally support him, mentioned that he should have had a better response to Hillary prepared.
Brachiator
@burnspbesq:
From what I could see from news reports, the crowd of around 13,000 was outside the Coliseum, in the plaza. Respectable size crowd, but nothing spectacular.
ETA: an earlier reply got ate up.
D58826
On twitter Roberta Costa is reporting that on Sat. Bernie told reporters that if he isn’t the nominee the democrats risk another 2014 because the v oters will be demoralized.
Why the h***ll doesn’t he just endorse ‘old little fingers’ . He can be Trumps VP and Susan Saradon can be his national security adviser
Shell
This is no surprise to anyone who’s witnessed his appearances since Clintons speech.
J R in WV
@Reggie Mantle:
The day I believe you’re voting for any Democratic candidate, is the day the sun stood still…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
He’s been working on that for four months now. He should be proud.
Shell
Next up. Turkey pie!
Betty Cracker
@StringOnAStick: Not sure what kind of turtle you’re describing. Sounds pretty, though!
01jack
@StringOnAStick:
Sounds like a box turtle.
satby
@Renie: sure am! It’s what’s been keeping my little boat afloat: the kindness of the Juicitariat.
LAllen
Hotter than a red-headed roofer in Alabama in August at 1:00 in the afternoon. Been there done that, except for the hair.
J R in WV
@jharp:
I think the big barrier is the diagnosis, if you don’t notice the tick bite and connect it with your disease.