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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / How Did We Get Here?

How Did We Get Here?

by Betty Cracker|  June 7, 201611:58 am| 133 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, General Stupidity

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Samantha Bee brilliantly sums up the state of the race:

Man, she’s good. Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    What would someone who extirpates be called? An extirpator? Extirpater?

  2. 2.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    @Corner Stone: Extirpator.

  3. 3.

    greennotGreen

    June 7, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Now, THAT’S “Feel the burn!”

    Isn’t there anybody in the Republican party who realizes that while they might disagree on Hillary on just about everything, she isn’t a loose cannon filled with nukes? Or are they just so sure they’ll be able to control Trump from behind the scenes…just like they have during the campaign?

    Sheesh!

  4. 4.

    Thoroughly Pizzled

    June 7, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    @Corner Stone: Extirpatrix. Extirpateur.

  5. 5.

    scav

    June 7, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    as a spell, Extirpatro! has a ring to it.

  6. 6.

    srv

    June 7, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    Hillary’s Godwinaziation of the campaign takes Scott Adams prisoner:

    My interest in the race has been limited to Trump’s extraordinary persuasion skills. But lately Hillary Clinton has moved into the persuasion game – and away from boring facts and policies – with great success. Let’s talk about that.

    This past week we saw Clinton pair the idea of President Trump with nuclear disaster, racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, and whatever else makes you tremble in fear.

    The only downside I can see to the new approach is that it is likely to trigger a race war in the United States. And I would be a top-ten assassination target in that scenario because once you define Trump as Hitler, you also give citizens moral permission to kill him. And obviously it would be okay to kill anyone who actively supports a genocidal dictator, including anyone who wrote about his persuasion skills in positive terms.

    So I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety. Trump supporters don’t have any bad feelings about patriotic Americans such as myself, so I’ll be safe from that crowd. But Clinton supporters have convinced me – and here I am being 100% serious – that my safety is at risk if I am seen as supportive of Trump. So I’m taking the safe way out and endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.

    Imagine what she will do when she has total control.

  7. 7.

    Barbara

    June 7, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    You can fast forward to the end if you don’t have a lot of time.

  8. 8.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    @scav: Extirpatio! The extra syllable does something for me.

  9. 9.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    June 7, 2016 at 12:18 pm

    Or are they just so sure they’ll be able to control Trump from behind the scenes…just like they have during the campaign?

    @greennotGreen: Been reading Decline and Fall of the Third Reich (timely), and although I do not subscribe to the idea that Trump = Hitler for many reasons, I can’t help but notice the quiet reassurance from the GOP establishment that “we’ve got this guy under control for reals, trust us” is exactly what everyone surrounding Hitler said about the guy, right before he took their jobs, bumped them out of power, and several years later had them murdered.

  10. 10.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 12:18 pm

    @srv:

    Hillary’s Godwinaziation of the campaign takes Scott Adams prisoner:
    […]
    Imagine what she will do when she has total control.

    Send him to Guantanamo, hopefully. What a dullard.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    Trump overruling his campaign staff’s instructions to surrogates. Hoocooda?

  12. 12.

    Keith G

    June 7, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    Samantha Bee certainly was able to land an amazing number of punches in that short opening bit. Good for her and her writing team.

  13. 13.

    Llelldorin

    June 7, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    Ahh, Scott Adams. He’s like a blast of formaldehyde-scented air from the (relatively recent) days of my youth, when the tech world was tilted towards smug glibertarianism instead of liberalism.

    God, I don’t miss those days.

    **shudder**

  14. 14.

    scav

    June 7, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Goes wrong, you could end up with a lot of extra paved space in your yard. Has narrative potential.

  15. 15.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    June 7, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    Imagine what she will do when she has total control.

    @srv: Have Scott Adams and other MRA idiots put in FEMA camps? Dude, I will be voting for her with EXTRA VIGOR today, with that aim in mind.

    Scott Adams in the camps. I’m getting a stiffy just thinking about it.

  16. 16.

    MomSense

    June 7, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Extirpatio

    That one is for all of us looking out our windows wishing we were outside frolicking in the sunshine.

  17. 17.

    schrodinger's cat

    June 7, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    Is this Scott Adams person single?

  18. 18.

    Eljai

    June 7, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    Just got done voting for Hillary in the CA primary. I hope we can start unifying. I, personally, will start with my 80+ year old Mom who voted for Bernie in her state’s primary. Conversation got a little heated lately, but I think she still loves me.

  19. 19.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    @greennotGreen:
    It’s a bunch of things. Cleek’s Law is real. Their grip on power is a mile wide and an inch deep, and they don’t feel safe letting Democrats win any major position whatsoever. Trump’s hate and assholery is the Republican Party. They are horrified by how he makes their beliefs ridiculed, but they do basically agree with all his hateful shit. The politicians can’t defy their constituents, who have made their preferences plain. By themselves, many of these make supporting Hillary literally worse to them than supporting nuclear war. Together it’s no contest.

    And all that would apply to any Democrat, without their visceral hated of Hillary personally, which has been stewing for a generation.

  20. 20.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    It’s pronounced extirpāhtchio… *sobs*

  21. 21.

    Mike J

    June 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: A common theme in his comic strip is that the women Dilbert dates are too stupid to understand that a) he is always right and b) how wonderful this makes him to be around.

    So I’m guessing yes, but I don’t have enough interest in him to look it up.

  22. 22.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: He was married, but isn’t now. I’m sure you’re shocked by this.

  23. 23.

    Punchy

    June 7, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    Sorry, but I dont see Trump making it to the convention. He’s completely out of gas. Today his lackeys are calling Speaker Ryan racist for intoning that Trump’s attacks were racial. The “I know you are but what am I?” routine. Pres candys going 3rd grade schoolyard bits cant get elected and will fuck all downstream electoral candys.

    Also — this autoplay ad that keeps popping up is completely shitstorming my comment. What the hell is an autoplay ad and why is on my goddamn blog?

  24. 24.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    @Punchy:

    Sorry, but I dont see Trump making it to the convention. He’s completely out of gas. Today his lackeys are calling Speaker Ryan racist for intoning that Trump’s attacks were racia

    l.

    His supporters LOVE that Trump’s attacks are racial. They’re tired of all this political correctness.

    they wanna party like it’s 1948.

  25. 25.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 7, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    @Llelldorin:
    Jesus fucking Christ. I can’t believe it, but Scott Adams managed to shove his head another inch up his ass.

    EDIT – @rikyrah:
    Eeyup.

  26. 26.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 7, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    @srv: Scott Adams. Dipshit. Much like yourself!

  27. 27.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 12:34 pm

    @rikyrah: I both hope this is true so he stays in and the GOP gets steamrolled, and hope that he drops out because otherwise there’s a nonzero chance he’ll be president.

  28. 28.

    Cacti

    June 7, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    Who is Scott Adams and why should I care what he thinks?

    ETA: Never mind. I see he’s the creator of Dilbert. Now I know I can disregard him freely.

  29. 29.

    smith

    June 7, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    It’s gobsmacking to see that Lindsey Graham, of all people, turns out to be the last honest man in the Republican Party.

  30. 30.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    @Cacti: He writes Dilbert, and you shouldn’t. He’s one of those “look at me, I’m in Mensa!” Dunning-Kruger types.

  31. 31.

    Ramping Up

    June 7, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    @Punchy:

    LOL. Trump dropping out fantasies? The media, pundits and observers such as yourself have correctly predicted 148 of the last 0 Trump drop-outs. Ditto statements that will “end his campaign”.

    POLITICALLY INVINCIBLE, that’s Trump!

  32. 32.

    schrodinger's cat

    June 7, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I have always thought Dilbert was unfunny, I was more of a Calvin and Hobbes fan.

  33. 33.

    MomSense

    June 7, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    @Eljai:

    I’m going through the same thing with my 78 year old mom who told me last night she’s in mourning.

  34. 34.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    @Ramping Up: I’m sure he’s just as politically invincible as Jeb!

  35. 35.

    Llelldorin

    June 7, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    He was also a tech worker in the late ’80s/early ’90s. His political views are a sort of time capsule of that era’s tech culture, which was heavily into Ayn Rand.

    (Basically, there were a _lot_ of people who couldn’t quite process the idea that “I worked really hard in college and in my career” and “I had unfair advantages due to growing up middle-class, white, and male” aren’t actually mutually exclusive, and so assumed the latter statement _had_ to be bullshit. It was an annoying time to be in tech.)

    [[Edited to add “and male” above. The sexism was absurdly prevalent.]]

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    @Llelldorin: Ah. I knew he was an engineer of a certain age, and that they tend to be like that, but I’d never really spelled it out like that.

    It was an annoying time to be in tech

    As opposed to now, where it’s a gender- and race-egalitarian utopia with a hefty liberal bias. //

    So glad I’m leaving that scene.

  37. 37.

    Ramping Up

    June 7, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    @Llelldorin:

    Sexism, racism, misogyny, waaah waaah waaaah. President Trump isn’t going to listen to your victim-bitching. He’s going to be so un-PC his press conferences will carry their own trigger warnings, lol.

    You’re going to have to learn to sack the fvck up and make your own way in the world rather than blaming what you don’t have on imaginary horseshit like “privilege”.

  38. 38.

    Chyron HR

    June 7, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    I don’t see how you posting 148 deranged rants about INVINCIBLE JEB invoking HAMMER TIME on Trump is somehow our fault, Timmy.

  39. 39.

    misterpuff

    June 7, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    @Corner Stone: extirpetrator or in cop speak, exterp.

  40. 40.

    catclub

    June 7, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    @Llelldorin:

    when the tech world was tilted towards smug glibertarianism instead of liberalism.

    So you think now the tech world is tilted toward liberalism? Wow. Important if true.

  41. 41.

    Ramping Up

    June 7, 2016 at 12:54 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    That’s just it–the fact that he crushed Jeb proves how strong he is. He utterly smashed the most talented Republican field in a generation with a minimal amount of money, no Super PAC. He was a genius at using free media and Twitter–this is the next frontier of campaign ops, skeleton crew, little money, and tweet, tweet, tweet. The idiot media gives him MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of $$$$$$$$$$$$ in free coverage. And will continue in the general. All TRUMP., all the time! And not a dollar spent!

  42. 42.

    Llelldorin

    June 7, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Utopia? Well, no, it’s still horribly tilted… but a lot more people are worried about it, and liberalism is closer to being the “default” position. “Better” isn’t actually “good.”

    It’s like getting into the shade on a 110° day. It’s still fucking hot, but the change is still nice.

    Yes, I’m happy about incremental changes. As you’d guess, I’m a Clinton supporter.

  43. 43.

    Chip Daniels

    June 7, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    That’s the fantasy that fuels the Trump voter- the revanchist spite and bitterness of a lost golden age, the yearning for a Strong Man On Horseback will make those people obey.

    Pretty sad, actually.

  44. 44.

    Barbara

    June 7, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    @Punchy: Well, Speaker Ryan’s comments were racist but not because he was criticizing Trump, but because he said that he would vote for Trump anyway.

  45. 45.

    Ramping Up

    June 7, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    That’s right–MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars in free coverage and Twitter!

  46. 46.

    Ramping Up

    June 7, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    And Trump is now pushing CRISIS OF CHARACTER on Twitter which describes Hillary as moody, erratic, and borderline violent, many mood swings, also unpredictable! Unpresidential anyone? She threw a lamp at Bill!

  47. 47.

    Barbara

    June 7, 2016 at 1:05 pm

    @MomSense: My mother was in mourning in 2008. We had to agree to stop talking about politics but she voted for Obama in November.

  48. 48.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    @Llelldorin: Obvious sarcasm wasn’t obvious? I even put in sarcasm markers (//). Sigh.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    @Ramping Up:
    Trump “crushed” 16 of the feeblest candidates ever to run for president. His strength was never really tested. Now he’s up against one of the best candidates ever. Nearly a week after her first really good go at him, he still hasn’t recovered enough to come back at her.

  50. 50.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I can’t help but notice that the only people I ever see talking about an upcoming “race war” are white dudes. It’s creepy as hell.

  51. 51.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 1:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne: It’s almost like projection is one of the fundamental characteristics of American conservatism.

  52. 52.

    Donut

    June 7, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    The state of the race right now is that the nominal head of the GOP, its standard-bearer, is a sniveling asshole, deeply mired in the twin swamps of white male resentment and victim hood; more importantly, the elite members of the Trump party, most crucially members of Congress and the Senate, are being asked repeatedly to defend his racism, and they are forced to say he’s wrong. Some are holding out, but it’s all over the news today that DC elites are saying his statements aboit Curiel are indeed racist.

    The real question to my mind is how long do Congress-critters stick with him? At some point the Blue-eyed Granny Starver and Yertle the Turtle are going to have to make a judgment call – stick with their nominee or try to save their majorities.

    I’m not holding my breath waiting, but the tipping point may be coming. If Trump can’t get out of this hole he’s dug (and he is definitely not follow in the first rule of hole-digging: which is, simply, stop) then it will be before their convention.

    Good stuff. Let’s hope Clinton keeps the pressure on. And it’s more crucial than ever that Bernie finally give up the ghost and let the Democratic Party feast on Trump now.

  53. 53.

    Jay B.

    June 7, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    LOL. Trump dropping out fantasies? The media, pundits and observers such as yourself have correctly predicted 148 of the last 0 Trump drop-outs. Ditto statements that will “end his campaign”

    I think you’re right here. He won’t drop out. He’ll stagger on to the end and lose by 20 points to a woman and I’ll never, ever, ever stop rubbing it in to lard-assed white men who still somehow think yours is the only voice or vote that matters. Your boy Trump is gutting your beloved party and it’s AWESOME to watch the rationalizations of big talking douchebros as they crash and burn.

  54. 54.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    @Jay B.:

    Yep. Trump’s not just going to be beaten. He’s going to be beat by a girl.

  55. 55.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    @Donut:

    At some point the Blue-eyed Granny Starver and Yertle the Turtle are going to have to make a judgment call – stick with their nominee or try to save their majorities.

    It’s kind of beautiful because if they ever hit that point then every R congressperson in a reddish area will not only run against the Washington Establishment but also specifically against Ryan and Mitch. They, hopefully, have lost their majorities no matter what they do.
    The Senate is actually a possibility and the House is not looking as far fetched as it did in just March of this year.

  56. 56.

    Jay B.

    June 7, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    @Amir Khalid: To be fair, those 16 candidates represented the true creme d’la creme of the Republican Party, each one of them was a very credible candidate in their own way, but of course, at the same time, were deeply awful people. Just like their standard bearer. The GOP will retain plenty of power, but that will ebb over the next generation. Soon enough their idiotic epoch will fade into history and the Bush regime will be seen as its high water mark.

  57. 57.

    Donut

    June 7, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    @Jay B.:

    As noted above, I don’t think he drops out but I don’t think Trump has long before the GOP elite decides to try to defend Congressional majorities and to cut their losses and leave him hanging.

  58. 58.

    Donut

    June 7, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Yup. Agree totally. Assuming this general trend continues over the next few news cycles they could really be well fucked.

  59. 59.

    Ramping Up

    June 7, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    @Jay B.:

    LOL just like Trump was totes going to lose the nomination or drop out because it’s all a joke or whatever, right? 20 points? Fucking delusional, this race comes down to one TCTC state on election night like 2000 and 2004.

  60. 60.

    Donut

    June 7, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Amen. It will be fucking beautiful to behold.

  61. 61.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    June 7, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    Kim Kardashian gets a lot of free media publicity, but no one wants her to be president. Crying, “Yook at me, yook at me!” (in Trumpy’s petulant whine) is no virtue or sign of presidential fitness.

  62. 62.

    bemused

    June 7, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    Republicans are saying don’t worry, they can control Trump if he makes it to the WH. TPM

    They totally flailing.

    When in danger, when in doubt,
    Run in circles, scream and shout.

  63. 63.

    Mike R

    June 7, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    @bemused:

    When in danger, when in doubt,
    Run in circles, scream and shout.

    Wonderful can’t wait to use it on my republican friends.

  64. 64.

    Mike in NC

    June 7, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    @Llelldorin: I stopped reading Dilbert about 10 years ago after finding out Scott Adams was a massive Glibertarian douchebag.

  65. 65.

    Mike in NC

    June 7, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    @Mike R: That saying was something people used regularly in the Combat Information Center aboard my ship.

  66. 66.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    And Trump is now pushing CRISIS OF CHARACTER on Twitter which describes Hillary as moody, erratic, and borderline violent, many mood swings, also unpredictable! Unpresidential anyone?

    What, did Trump look in the mirror and describe himself?

    Trump is all these things, and stupid.

  67. 67.

    Chyron HR

    June 7, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    These are the bitter fruits of public employee unions controlling the education of our children for 60 years: Hillary vs Trump. We’ve educated two generations of idiots.

    So you admit that you’re an idiot, huh?

  68. 68.

    Mike J

    June 7, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    brian feldman @bafeldman
    many have asked for my take: the hamilton porn parody is disrespectful to lin manuel miranda’s broadway musical about rapping presidents

  69. 69.

    Mike in NC

    June 7, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    @Ramping Up: Please be careful not to trip over your clown shoes as you make you way down to mom’s basement to watch your favorite smut videos. On second thought, go break your fucking neck.

    No matter how many times you change your name, it will always be Right to Rise AKA the biggest loser.

  70. 70.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    @Mike J: Ha!

  71. 71.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    @bemused:

    Republicans are saying don’t worry, they can control Trump if he makes it to the WH. TPM

    What they’re leaving unsaid: Now please vote for a President who has to be kept on a leash.

  72. 72.

    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    June 7, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    Dude, slow it down. Colbert got to do it first, but he delivered in small doses so as to sound plausible. You’re definitively doing it like a firehose and have managed to do unfunny parody to the point of grating.

  73. 73.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    I think all but three of my non-husband friends voted for Bernie today.

  74. 74.

    Miss Bianca

    June 7, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Is this Scott Adams person single?

    *please* tell me you’re *not* asking for a friend…

  75. 75.

    catclub

    June 7, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I can’t help but notice that the only people I ever see talking about an upcoming “race war” are white dudes. It’s creepy as hell.

    Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh. Run, do not walk.

  76. 76.

    schrodinger's cat

    June 7, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I am not asking for anyone. I was just wondering if there was a woman who could stand this oaf enough to marry him.

  77. 77.

    Mike in NC

    June 7, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    My wife’s best friend from high school has an adult son with anger management problems. I first met him when he was living in the basement, working a crappy minimum wage job because he had trouble staying employed. He got his girlfriend pregnant, married her, they had the kid, then he got dumped. Moved back into the basement for several months. Went through a couple more dead-end jobs, met and got dumped by a couple more women, and arrested for DUI. Currently not living in the basement but I figure it’s only a matter of time. Does this sound like a certain troll?

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    @Mike J:

    If a porn producer listened to “Say No to This” and didn’t immediately figure out a parody, I would wonder what was wrong with that producer.

    Of course, it will be lame and unfunny, like 99 percent of porn parodies.

  79. 79.

    daverave

    June 7, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    @Chip Daniels:

    Ah yes, the “Punishment Pony” fever dreams…

  80. 80.

    hovercraft

    June 7, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    Don’t worry about Trump dropping out, his ace team of surrogates are out changing the narrative, and it’s working.

    On Tuesday morning, Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) appeared on CNN and tried his hand at Trump’s preferred approach. He started by insinuating that Democrats were the real racists for trying to mobilize minority groups.

    “[W]hen you’re micro-targeting a community, and you are putting blacks together and Hispanics together, and certain economic messages and positions on issues, quite frankly, with the way I define racism, I see it in a lot of policies and statements that have taken place,” Zeldin said.
    Not content to end there, he added that he believes President Barack Obama, the first black president in U.S. history, is actually the one promoting bigotry. As for how and why, he kept it vague.

    “You can easily argue that the president of the United States is a racist with his policies and his rhetoric,” Zeldin said. “You could go back to presidents of the past.”

    This strategy cannot fail.

  81. 81.

    bemused

    June 7, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Barely unsaid but it’s glaringly obvious they have nothing, absolutely nothing to get them out of their self made mess.

    And suddenly they are big fans of the Constitution.

  82. 82.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m trying to parse that sentence in a way that does not lead me to conclude you have three husbands. Help me out here.

  83. 83.

    Actually, Bob IS My Uncle

    June 7, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    Had a Republican colleague tell me today that he’s waiting to see if Trump picks an acceptable VP candidate because then if Trump got out of line, someone could just shoot him.

    I think he was joking. I hope he was joking.

  84. 84.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    June 7, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    @Punchy: To be fair to tRUMP, Ryan is probably a racist just like the rest of them, including tRUMP.

  85. 85.

    El Caganer

    June 7, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    @Corner Stone: Extirpatinater, if you’re not into the brevity thing.

  86. 86.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: All but three of my friends, and ‘my husband’ is not included in that group of friends. My husband is my friend! But I wasn’t referring to him.

  87. 87.

    MattF

    June 7, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    It’s a Slate link, but it’s worth it. The noble, serious, intellectual Paul Ryan has released an anti-poverty plan that includes gutting the new fiduciary rule for financial advisors. I’m thinking that Ryan knows more about con games than he lets on.

  88. 88.

    Mike J

    June 7, 2016 at 2:07 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: OK, now do, “Brothers and sisters I have none, but this man’s father is my father’s son.”

    What’s the capital of Nebraska? What’s the capital of the Chase National Bank? Give up? Now, I’ll try you on an easy one. How many Frenchmen can’t be wrong?

  89. 89.

    Chip Daniels

    June 7, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    @hovercraft:
    Conservatives are blind to racism, so they see the word as a magic totem, a all-purpose stick to beat someone with. they imagine they can just invoke THAT WORD, and liberals will immediately cower in abject terror.

  90. 90.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Even San Francisco still only allows one (legal) husband at a time.

  91. 91.

    Miss Bianca

    June 7, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Of course, it will be lame and unfunny, like 99 percent of porn parodies.

    errr…OK. If you say so. (backs away slowly from keyboard)

  92. 92.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    @Mike J: My son. Lincoln. I don’t know man, I didn’t do it. No. Zero.

  93. 93.

    hovercraft

    June 7, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    @Brachiator:
    Trump and his acolytes think their still in the primary where every brain fart dominates the news cycle. Two things the media loves to tear down everything they build up. Especially after they have been hammered for not doing their jobs. Secondly it’s the final day of the primaries and Hillary just won, so it’s not so easy to distract them.
    He will still be able to send them off into click heaven, but there are now investigative journalists who are digging through his garbage.

  94. 94.

    Trollhattan

    June 7, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    @Ramping Up:
    November 8, 2016, 8:00:01 p.m. PST, the first news organization declares Hillary Clinton to be president-elect of the United States.

    Book it, hippie.

  95. 95.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    June 7, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    @Ramping Up: The difference is his schtick on twitter is a turnoff to anyone who is not in the Republican base. It worked in the Republican primary because those dipshits want to hear crass insults and schoolyard putdowns. Everyone else…not so much.

  96. 96.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I’m going to be charitable and assume this means Mnem has seen at least 100 porn parodies.

  97. 97.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    June 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    @Ramping Up: Like, Brinks Trucks of media coverage?

  98. 98.

    hovercraft

    June 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    @Chip Daniels:
    You summed up Trumps entire philosophy right there. Congratulations.

  99. 99.

    bemused

    June 7, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    @Mike R:

    That’s been around for a long time but I don’t know the origin.

    Thom Hartmann just said Joe Scarborough spent most of his show saying Republicans have to disavow Trump. They really are pooping their pants.

  100. 100.

    hovercraft

    June 7, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    @bemused:
    After spending most of the last year fluffing the Donald mornin’ ho does not get to suddenly see the light. He like the rest of them has to own their nominee. He GOP ‘you built this’.

  101. 101.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’d like to know the name of the funny one. Just for reference, of course.

  102. 102.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    June 7, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    @srv:

    Imagine what she will do when she has total control.

    First they came for the Fake Silicon Valley Engineer Marketing Specialists,…

  103. 103.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I have four older brothers. I haven’t watched much porn, but I’m way more aware of its subgenres than I would prefer.

  104. 104.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    @Mnemosyne: You’re no fun.

  105. 105.

    Origuy

    June 7, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    November 8, 2016, 8:00:01 p.m. PST

    You think it will be that late?

  106. 106.

    pat

    June 7, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    And Trump is now pushing CRISIS OF CHARACTER on Twitter which describes Hillary as moody, erratic, and borderline violent, many mood swings, also unpredictable! Unpresidential anyone?

    Pure unadulterated projection on Trump’s part. What a clown..

  107. 107.

    Jay B.

    June 7, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    Well, I never said any of those things. I was surprised he won the nomination, but not completely shocked. After all, I don’t underestimate the stone-cold ignorance and spite of the Tea Party or the Republican Party. They were going to rally around some idiot, it just happened to be the loudest, crassest, most racist one. But, since America doesn’t solely consist of white morons and even many stupid white people aren’t aggressive assholes who cheer on the wholesale debasement of the country, Trump really doesn’t have what I’d call “broad-based” support. Right now out of nearly 2,500 Republican delegates, 18 of them are African-American. The Latino vote is growing, enrolling and energized. He’s managed to pick fights with an entire gender and several races. I know you are a hilarious satire of people who sounds exactly like you, but seriously, you top out at maybe 35% of the total electorate. Maybe he gets to 42%, tops. But probably not. He’s an anchor, an albatross, dead weight. The Democrats will be busying bringing people together to make history. The GOP is tepidly rallying around Typhoid Donald. Have fun, douchebro!

  108. 108.

    Trollhattan

    June 7, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    @Origuy:
    They all have a “gentleman’s agreement” to not call the election until the West Coast polls close. The outcome will be clear before that, I’m pretty confident.

    ETA This year I’m praying Fox puts a monkeycam on Karl Rove to get live video as he runs around the studio after Megyn Kelly. Absolutely my favorite takeaway from 2012.

  109. 109.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    I started reading Eloisa James last week. Day-um!
    /fans self

  110. 110.

    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class

    June 7, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    *chuckle*

    So the University and the city want to remove this stupid monument that the UDC put up in its turn of the century rewrite of history. A douchebag GOP gadfly filed a suit to stop it, using two lawyers who I know really well – they are both racist douchebags, but of the soft variety.

    Apparently, their client made the mistake of expressing the racist douchebaggery too openly.

  111. 111.

    bemused

    June 7, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Right. Their drama scenes of suddenly gasping for breath and taking to their fainting sofas has gotten very old.

  112. 112.

    Jeffro

    June 7, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    @pat:

    Pure unadulterated projection on Trump’s part. What a clown..

    Can you imagine the reaction – from the media, from our various elected officials on both sides of the aisle – if positions were exactly reversed? What if the Dem candidate was on Twitter constantly, bashing religious folks or whomever, knocking federal judges, saying male judges would probably be biased and have to recuse themselves from hearing a case involving her, if she had a failed & fraudulent business, etc etc?

    What if Chuck Schumer was telling Hillz to “get on message” – or if Harry Reid was telling everyone that HRC’s latest racist comment was a “good off-ramp” for people who had previously endorsed her?

    And so on and so on. The headlines all day every day would be DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN FLAMES…DISINTEGRATING BEFORE OUR VERY EYES…and yet all we get is this steady stream of air quote “reporting” with the latest GOP poo-bah saying Trump is off the reservation but they’ll still support him ‘if he comes around’ (or gets ‘on message’)

    Ugh

  113. 113.

    chopper

    June 7, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    And Trump is now pushing CRISIS OF CHARACTER on Twitter which describes Hillary as moody, erratic, and borderline violent, many mood swings, also unpredictable! Unpresidential anyone?

    yes, trump’s twitter feed is very unpresidential.

  114. 114.

    bemused

    June 7, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    That’s the catch with rightwingers fed up with “political correctness” and using “free” speech to let everyone know exactly what is on their vile minds. They are shocked that there is consequences.

  115. 115.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 7, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    @bemused: Stupid lib. Everybody knows the first amendment protects you from the consequences of speech.

  116. 116.

    Miss Bianca

    June 7, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne: oh. oh, goodness. *She* seems nice! : )

  117. 117.

    Miss Bianca

    June 7, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    @Mnemosyne: OK, I just ordered “When Beauty Tamed the Beast”. Looks like great fun!

  118. 118.

    bemused

    June 7, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Wingnuts really do believe that but they are also positive the majority of Americans think the same way they do.

  119. 119.

    Schlemazel Khan

    June 7, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    Several people have committed on the GOPs hinting not to worry about the Trumpster fire winning because they can control him. I will repeat the fictional quote I made up a month ago that perfectly reflects the thinking of the period:

    “Relax boys! Once he is in office we can control him and he won’t be so wild.”
    – Albert Junker speaking with friends at the Berlin Businessman Club 1933

  120. 120.

    burnspbesq

    June 7, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    @Ramping Up:

    I hope Trump stays the course. Five months of merciless flaying followed by a crushing defeat is exactly what he needs.

  121. 121.

    2liberal

    June 7, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    according to wikipedia Scott Adams recently endorsed hillary clinton , i think

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Adams#Personal_life

    However, Adams officially announced his endorsement of Hillary Clinton in June 2016, stating that Clinton had paired “…the idea of President Trump with nuclear disaster, racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, and whatever else makes you tremble in fear” and that he would be “…a top-ten assassination target” because he “…wrote about his (Donald Trump’s) persuasion skills in positive terms

    Weird.

  122. 122.

    Trollhattan

    June 7, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @2liberal:
    Methinks Adams believes he’s playing 11-dimensional chess, but his chessboard is missing ten dimensions.

  123. 123.

    aimai

    June 7, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    @srv:

    The only downside I can see to the new approach is that it is likely to trigger a race war in the United States. And I would be a top-ten assassination target in that scenario because once you define Trump as Hitler, you also give citizens moral permission to kill him. And obviously it would be okay to kill anyone who actively supports a genocidal dictator, including anyone who wrote about his persuasion skills in positive terms.

    Man, now I’m excited.

  124. 124.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 7, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    @hovercraft: Damn, they’ve discovered the I Know You Are But What Am I Gambit! That one’s unbeatable!

  125. 125.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    I started towards the end of the “Desperate Duchesses” series and am working my way back to the beginning.

    Also, can you try and email me through my site (linked above) and I’ll check when I get home after 8 pm tonight? I’m really curious about your first chapter!

  126. 126.

    tsquared2001

    June 7, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Do NOT, I repeat NOT, read the Ms. James’ Pleasure Trilogy. The rest of her back list is pretty good; my favorites are the Essex Sister books.

  127. 127.

    schrodinger's cat

    June 7, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    @Mnemosyne: There is the Thinking Housewife who is also worried about it, but its the internet, so who knows?

  128. 128.

    Miss Bianca

    June 7, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne: eep! sure! I actually have two first chapters that I’m thinking about merging into one work, but I’ll send you the one I was thinking of when the topic first arose.

  129. 129.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    @tsquared2001:

    I only just discovered her. She’s no Lisa Kleypas or Mary Balogh, but her books are fun.

    I got “Marrying Winterbourne” on my Kindle and read it the same day. I thought the beginning was a little shaky, but she made a potentially cliched ending really work.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    No worries — I’m more trying to figure out if there’s a problem with website messaging. You won’t be able to send at attachment that way anyway.

  131. 131.

    tsquared2001

    June 7, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I never got into Mary Balogh but Lisa Kleypas was an auto buy for many, many, many years.

  132. 132.

    Llelldorin

    June 7, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    No, obvious sarcasm was plenty obvious! :)

    I was just hurriedly making it clear that I don’t actually believe that the tech world is now awesome. It’s just significantly better than it was (at least in my neck of the woods).

  133. 133.

    Brinks Truck Driver

    June 7, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @Ramping Up: is millions and millions more than a Brinks trucks full of cash?
    Disclaimer: I may have a professional interest in this.

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