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Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

I really should read my own blog.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

Consistently wrong since 2002

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T R E 4 5 O N

Battle won, war still ongoing.

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Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Let there be snark.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

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JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

Come on, man.

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Tuesday Evening Open Thread: I’m With Her, Too

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Nacy Pelosi plays the Good Cop. And the Bad Cop? Well, last week, there was this Politico report:

… “I’ve never been too good at math, but I can figure that one out. I think he better do a little mathing,” Reid said…

Reid went on to say that while Sanders has the right to continue his presidential campaign, he doesn’t recommend extending it.

“No, I don’t think he should. I don’t know what that’s going to prove. Sometimes you just have to give up. I’ve lost before. The numbers aren’t there.”

Sen. Sanders has had all the fun made the best impact he can in this election cycle. Anything less than a gracious concession, at the very least, is not going to make his future career path pleasant…

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  3. 3.

    Corner Stone

    I’ll carry this one over a thread:
    “Brian Williams has to be hating himself about now. Buried as second or third banana on MSNBC.
    And damn, taking shots from Maddow to boot. Yee-ouch. “

  4. 4.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    I have been looking forward to this evening since New York. Please,for the love of god, let Hillary win CA.

  5. 5.

    Patricia Kayden

    Thank goodness we are finally reaching the end of the primary season. Whoo hoo!!
    Now on to beating Trump in November.

    @Baud: Steady on there, Baud. None of us want to see you angry!

  6. 6.

    bystander

    @Soylent Green: Did you post that you graduated from WU? Class of 72 here.

    Thanks to all who responded to my pained question about posts being swallowed whole.

  9. 9.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Corner Stone: I would assume that Brian is just glad to be back on tv in any capacity. Having your credibility shot through should be a career ender for a Newscaster. He’s proof that it’s not.

  10. 10.

    burnspbesq

    Bernie’s biggest problem right now, in terms of doing the right thing, may be the unrealistic expectations he has created in his supporters. If the “system” is as corrupt as he has been (falsely) claiming, how does he explain his cooperation with it?

  13. 13.

    Corner Stone

    @Baud: She said something like, “I can’t imagine being fired or suspended from this job because there is nothing else I could see myself doing.”
    Sitting right beside him on the set cold opening.

    “There are some things at my job that make me feel like I can never get fired from this job I can’t ever leave this job because there’s nothing else I can ever do but this line of work.”
    Dirty transcript.

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    @Baud:

    Mr. Sanders, don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.

    I guess it’s not easy being green.

  15. 15.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @burnspbesq:
    I just saw a post from a normally very sane and likable friend about how if Sanders wins California by the margins he won Alaska and Washington, he’ll have more pledged delegates. That’s nice. If I developed telekinesis, I could take out the trash without having to leave the house.

  16. 16.

    Splitting Image

    As many people have said, putting Pelosi back in the Speaker’s chair will be an uphill climb, but I’d like to see it happen.

    Next to her, the second best Speaker since 1994 is Newt Gingrich. Think about that for a second.

  18. 18.

    SciNY

    Speaking of angry, Amy Chozick (NYT reporter) says she’s been getting death threats (plural) from Bernie Sanders supporters since last evening. Not. Cool. Bros. Leave your misogyny and banana republic tactics where they belong, in the dustbin of history. You are not doing you or your cause any good.

  20. 20.

    hovercraft

    @Baud:
    I’m sorry to tell you Baud but my family and I just voted for Hillary!
    If by some act of FSM she is not the nominee, I will write you in in November.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I just saw a post from a normally very sane and likable friend about how if Sanders wins California by the margins he won Alaska and Washington, he’ll have more pledged delegates.

    He didn’t even win Washington by the margins he won Washington if you take into account the fact that Washington also has a primary that doesn’t count that he lost.

  24. 24.

    SciNY

    I think it’s called doing her job, i.e. reporting. Specifically how the delegate count was determined and found to demonstrate HRC as the presumptive nominee.

  25. 25.

    aimai

    @SciNY: Imagine what DWS has been receiving? These people are unhinged. I’m sorry to say it, but its true. If people believe half the things they say over at dKos they feel perfectly justified in wishing death, threatening death, or even actually hurting, the people they think are evil. Reminds me of this line:

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

    –Voltaire.

  26. 26.

    hovercraft

    As an aside the polling place was busier than I expected, people said they wanted to give her a decisive victory. Only saw two Bernie voters, lots of voters who have sold out to wall street and the corporate media.

  27. 27.

    SciNY

    @Baud: for doing her job — specifically, for reporting how the pledged delegates and superdelegate commitments led the Times to call Hillary the presumptive Democratic nominee.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    @hovercraft: Oh, interesting. I know these on-the-ground reports are anecdotal, but I assumed a high turnout would benefit Bernie. I guess we’ll know in a few hours.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    @SciNY:
    @gwangung:

    That’s out of character for the New York Times.

    The whole “the superdelegates haven’t voted yet” is kind of stupid. Of course they haven’t voted. That’s why Hillary is the presumptive nominee. If you waited until they voted, she would simply be the nominee.

  32. 32.

    hovercraft

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    Remember this is 2016 strange things have been happening the people want a revolution against the establishment. That’s why Trump won and why the people are voting for Bernie to the tune of 3 million less votes. They are rejecting establishment politicians.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    @humboldtblue: Ha. I was just reading that earlier today. It was a good speech. Especially this part:

    Just think how much more progress we could have made over the past 40 years if we’d had a Democratic president. Think about the lost opportunities of these past seven years on the environment and the economy, on health care and civil rights, on education, foreign policy and the Supreme Court.

    Imagine how far we could have come, how much we could have achieved if we had just had a Democrat in the White House.

  34. 34.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @hovercraft: We had two tables at my polling place, orange and green, i guess for different precincts. The orange had a short line, the green(mine) had none. I was in and out of the polling place in 5 minutes.

    Hmmmm, In-n-Out, yummmmm.

  36. 36.

    SciNY

    @Baud: I know feelings run high during a hard-fought campaign, but I’m not aware of any PUMAs in 2008 who issued fatwas against Obama’s campaign team, much less members of the press.

  37. 37.

    lollipopguild

    Off topic but if Trump was going after a Jewish judge in the same way he is going after a Hispanic judge would he be given a pass by so many in the GOP?

  38. 38.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @SciNY: On the local news here, they interviewed a woman outside a Bernie rally in East LA and she called him ‘the chosen one’. When people have an almost religious attachment to a candidate, death threats don’t surprise me.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    @lollipopguild: IMO, Trump’s attacks were okay as long as the news media didn’t spend 24/7 talking about them. Trump has always been racist and they didn’t care.

  40. 40.

    D58826

    @SciNY: We have been getting a good laugh at the right wing echo chamber and the rwnj’s that inhabit it. It looks like some of the Bernie Bros/sis’s are starting to build there own left wing/ fact free bubble. Not a good idea. We have already seen some on the left talk about Barney Frank like he was a DINO. Or Susan Saradon’s preference for ‘old little hands’.

  43. 43.

    hovercraft

    From kos at the GOS $ 34 million wasted in California

    Data, from Cirva Victor, a company that tracks political spending:

    SUPERPAC, IN SUPPORT OF CLINTON $7.1M
    SUPERPAC, OPPOSING CLINTON $1.2M
    SUPERPAC, IN SUPPORT OF SANDERS $10.1M
    SUPERPAC, OPPOSING SANDERS $0
    CLINTON CAMPAIGN $6.9M
    SANDERS CAMPAIGN $8.4M
    TOTAL, PRO-CLINTON $14M
    TOTAL, PRO-SANDERS $19.7M
    Sigh, imagine that money used to build our party and candidates ahead of the November election? It is notable that Clinton-supporting Super PACs didn’t attack Sanders.

  44. 44.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    When the opponent is a woman, death threats don’t surprise me. A major part of American misogyny is viewing women as vulnerable, natural victims, and human instinct is to attack vulnerability. It is, unfortunately, a well demonstrated trend in the public sphere.

  45. 45.

    Mike J

    @Baud:

    He didn’t even win Washington by the margins he won Washington if you take into account the fact that Washington also has a primary that doesn’t count that he lost.

    Last Dem party meeting I went to here in WA, the Beners were still butthurt about Supers endorsing candidates.

    If you mentioned the primary having twice as many voters and going the other way, they’d shrug their shoulders and say, “yeah it’s stupid, but the rules are the rules. What can you do?” But superdelegates speaking in public? Outrage!

    I was amused when I was leaving and followed a car out of the parking lot which had upon it one of the “Proud Democrat” license plate holders we sell with the “Proud scratched out.

  46. 46.

    Kropadope

    @D58826:

    We have been getting a good laugh at the right wing echo chamber and the rwnj’s that inhabit it. It looks like some of the Bernie Bros/sis’s are starting to build there own left wing/ fact free bubble.

    There’s a fair share of that among the pro-Hillary crowd. In fact that sort of thinking dominates this particular venue. Your self-righteous bullcrap ain’t fooling anyone who doesn’t already want to be fooled.

  51. 51.

    Patricia Kayden

    @JPL: True. Trump didn’t all of a sudden discover that he hated minorities when he started running for President. He’s always been racist. His anti-Blackness is well documented and dates back many decades.

  52. 52.

    MomSense

    I will definitely go to VT and campaign for Al if he decides to run. I’ll even make the dreaded fundraising calls and those are my least favorite.

    A bit of a cold front came through so we are all bundled up in fleece and sitting outside before the thunderstorms hit again.

  54. 54.

    aimai

    @lollipopguild: I think they would be very concerned about Trump overtly discussing/attacking a Jewish Judge, but only because its a little too on the nose for the Storm Front connection. And because Israel/Jews have a special significance for Evangelicals. But with the right play they could get over that–he’d be the wrong kind of jew, one of them atheist Jews, or a liberal Jew,something that they don’t have to worry about. The only reason they are at all concerned about the slagging of the “Mexican” judge is that some small portion of the Republican hierarchy is dimly aware of the hispanic voting bloc. Otherwise they wouldn’t care at all.

  56. 56.

    les

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    On the local news here, they interviewed a woman outside a Bernie rally in East LA and she called him ‘the chosen one’.

    Well, it’s nice that religious nutjobs who aren’t openly racist have a place to go, I guess.

  57. 57.

    Betty Cracker

    I can’t believe I’m the first to note that “Great Invigoration” would be a good band name! 50+ comments — y’all are slipping.

  59. 59.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @aimai:
    I do think a large number of Republicans are emotionally invested in being able to claim they’re not racists. Trump is making that very difficult, and it upsets them. Like, a lot. Not enough to stop being racists or vote for a Democrat, of course.

  61. 61.

    randy khan

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Your friend is arithmetic challenged.

    This is an approximation, but close enough:

    Right now Clinton has 1,812 pledged delegates and Sanders has 1,521, a margin of 291.

    Sanders won the delegate counts in Alaska and Washington at a roughly 3:1 ratio (actually 87:30, so slightly less). If he did the same in California, he’d net 273 delegates.

    So she’d still be ahead by 18 pledged delegates. And, of course, that doesn’t consider the other primaries today at all, like New Jersey, where she’s probably going to net 15-20 delegates.

    Not to mention that there’s no reason to think the polling could be that far off. So, yeah, it’s kind of delusional.

  62. 62.

    Elie

    Lookout folks. I do think Trump is headed for some really rough waters. Ol Jeff Flake was on NPR disavowing him and even ol Corker was talking trash about him on CNN. Combined with the talk of his campaign disorganization and tight money and we have some very interesting things lining up. Hold on to your hats…

  65. 65.

    aimai

    @Frankensteinbeck: I think that they used to be very upset about being called Racist,and some still are, but that Trump has tapped into a decades long rehabilitation of the term, like the Queer in LGBTQ. The problem the top line Republicans are having is that they still, somewhat atavistically, are concerned about the label Racist while perfectly well aware that their base is, for the most part, stone racist. Meanwhile the base is vacillating between finally feeling good about themselves–like a woman getting out of a corset–and warring with the respectable, lace curtain, Republicans in their own families who think that overt racism and displays of bigotry are tacky and unnecessary.

    I think–though other people with more clear demographic knowledge can correct me–that the Trump voter who cares the least about being called a racist, in fact who is in it for the racism–is either the working class Trump voter or the upper class trump voter. Both want the right to call a spade a spade, as it were, and to push back against all that “pc crap.” Working class guys because its literally the only power they have left, the power to kick down or, as they see it, up, at POC. And upper class guys because they hate having anything that trammels their complete freedom to be assholes. In the middle are middle class and evangelical or midwestern types who prefer not to believe their party is racist–they want to talk about school choice or abortion and they don’t want it to talk about racism at all.

  66. 66.

    Betty Cracker

    @aimai: Just wanted to thank you again for the “dynamited whale” comment and link from the morning thread. The comment in the context of that whiny fucking crybaby was funny enough. But you know how sometimes something just strikes you as screamingly funny for no particular reason? That video made me laugh harder than anything has in a long time. I’ve made half a dozen people watch it and cried with laughter every time. They all think I’m crazy, and I’m getting looks but goddamn, that was funny!

  70. 70.

    gene108

    @lollipopguild:

    Off topic but if Trump was going after a Jewish judge in the same way he is going after a Hispanic judge would he be given a pass by so many in the GOP?

    Yes.

    The same bigots the GOP needs to appeal to, with regards to Hispanics, are probably not overly fond of the Jews. Therefore, if the GOOP’ers in power want to not get cut down by their voters they will say very little condemning such remarks against the Jews.

    They had a chance to tamp down the open bigotry in 2008 & 2009, but refused to condemn the Birthers and others coming up with conspiracy theories about Obama.

  71. 71.

    Elie

    @Kropadope:

    Hey, you were moving into a pretty good place not that long ago (in terms of the Hillary thing and B-J people). What happened? I remember having an ok conversation with you just a couple of weeks ago?

  72. 72.

    hovercraft

    @Elie:
    Trump wants everyone to stop talking about his racism now. He’s not sorry and he still gets to talk about the judges bad judgement, but don’t ask him about the Mexican part. Also some state legislator in Iowa David Johnson became the first GOPer renounced his GOP membership today.

  73. 73.

    aimai

    @Betty Cracker: Thanks so much, BC! I agree there is something almost magical about that video. It brings me to tears of laughter every time I see it. Its like all the cock eyed optimism of our youth is brought home to us.

  74. 74.

    Ramping Up

    Trump is breaking out the flamethrower tonight at his press conference and turning it on Hillary.

    Here comes the counterpunch…

  75. 75.

    Kropadope

    @Elie: I felt the same way then. If I was having a pleasant conversation, I saw no particular cause at the time to be unpleasant. Context is important.

  76. 76.

    gene108

    @aimai:

    The only reason they are at all concerned about the slagging of the “Mexican” judge is that some small portion of the Republican hierarchy is dimly aware of the hispanic voting bloc. Otherwise they wouldn’t care at all

    I think the portion of the GOP that still has some “professional pride” understand you do not insult Federal judges, and if the Party’s standard bearer sets this up as SOP for Republicans going forward it will hurt all their kooky lawsuits about opposing Executive decisions on immigration, the DoJ response to bathroom bills, and on Obamacare, as well as their defense of both voter suppression laws and anti-abortion laws.

    In short, they are more concerned with being able to use the judiciary to advance their agenda than they are about Hispanic votes.

  78. 78.

    Elie

    @hovercraft:

    I tell ya, the wobble on this thing is getting worse… chaos, tipping point, etc. GOP has a big problem… they have a racist, hate filled base that is unattached to reality and consequence. They of course built that but the consequences to business and economic as well as global politics is immense. Trump cannot win and they know that, but their political fortunes are tied to this malignant base…. HUBRIS is a bitch….

  84. 84.

    muddy

    @MomSense: Have you seen Man with a Plan? After that movie, when Jack McMullen (otherwise known as McMasshole) challenged Pat Leahy for Senate, Fred Tuttle ran against him in the Republican primary. In order that Leahy should win the general. It never goes well with carpetbaggers in Vermont.
    Spread Fred!

  87. 87.

    gene108

    @aimai:

    The problem the top line Republicans are having is that they still, somewhat atavistically, are concerned about the label Racist while perfectly well aware that their base is, for the most part, stone racist.

    I think another part of the problem is a lot of the big money types – Wall Street, Fortune 500 CEO’s, etc – realize racism is bad for business. They are all happy to have tax cuts, lax labor laws, little enforcement of regulations, etc, but they know they could face a serious consumer backlash, if they are seen as even indirectly supporting a bunch of KKK-sympathizers.

    The higher-up GOOP’ers do not want to alienate the money bags, but need to keep the base happy, so they have this internal conflict to resolve.

    Not being called “racist” is more than just a matter of pride (for lack of a better word), but rather a necessity to keep their business allies happy.

  89. 89.

    Elie

    @gene108:

    I would go further: our future economic viability, our role as any kind of leader in a complex world requires a society that is at home not at war with either its racial, ethnic, cultural or economic diversity. They get it but unfortunately they created the current political war (and make no mistake, this is a war for the direction and moral soul of this country). There will be healing, but only after a convalescence — we will have to rebuild from the strength that hopefully prevails after this is finished.

  91. 91.

    Kathleen

    @aimai: But..but..NPR said this afternoon that Bernie brought so much new energy and enthusiasm to the party and how can Hillary get their support or something. That was either before or after they questioned Amy Kloubacher about the FBI investigation and the enthusiasm gap. Back to the main point. Why don’t the lazy pundits who have been faithfully procreating that Bernie Bundy chicken ever, ever point out how nasty, vile and hateful a few of his most vocal “supporters” are.

  97. 97.

    Matt McIrvin

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I don’t know, I think I might prefer for Sanders to win CA, because it might quell some of the conspiracy theorizing. If he wins CA in a squeaker and it doesn’t lead to the collapse of Clinton’s coalition, the indictment of Clinton and the mass flipping of the superdelegates to nominate Bernie Sanders, they won’t be able to imagine that it would have were it not for the iron control of Debbie Wasserman Schultz over the Associated Press.

  99. 99.

    Quinerly

    Trump struggling with this teleprompter speech. Making direct play for “Bernie Supporters.”

  101. 101.

    Karen

    @aimai:

    I think they would be very concerned about Trump overtly discussing/attacking a Jewish Judge, but only because its a little too on the nose for the Storm Front connection

    And not to mention Jewish billionaire Shel Adelson, who is financing Trump would drop him like a hot potato.

  103. 103.

    Ian

    @JPL:
    Yes indeed. It’s known as the child molesters rule. The party of child molesters must vote for what the majority want. Similar but different to how the Dems must unify for someone who repeatedly voted to allow torture. But we can’t discuss that.

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