Via TPM, this account of Hillary’s conversation with Bernie Sanders after her victory speech last night:
Clinton said on CNN that she “totally” understands how Sanders’ supporters feel and she congratulated the Vermont senator on his “really extraordinary campaign” in her call to him. She said she looked forward to working with Sanders to defeat presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump.
Sanders’ response to this overture, according to Clinton?
“Senator Sanders has said he will work every day, every week to see that happen, so we’re going to be working to make sure that we have a unified party going into our convention and coming out,” Clinton said.
And Clinton added a message for Sanders’s voters, telling them, “She would “reach out” to his supporters, adding that she and Sanders had similar goals for health care and minimum wages.”
This is the phase of the campaign that gives the lie to the old joke, “Time is the universe’s way of making sure everything doesn’t happen at once.”
This is the phase of the campaign that gives the lie to the old joke, “Time is the universe’s way of making sure everything doesn’t happen all at once.”
Tom, you couldn’t even be bothered to put up an image of “The Persistence of Memory”?
More seriously, that’s a really nice conversation, and I’m glad Hillary and Bernie are talking beyond expected platitudes. Bernie and his team and some of his followers have royally pissed me off this year, but then so did Hillary and her team in 2008, and we all got over it. Bernie frosted my ass again in his speech last night, but I do think he’ll come around and end up being a great member of Team Hillary after the convention.
Josh Marshall@joshtpm
Holy Crap. The RNC website does not contain a single reference to Donald Trump. No picture, no name. Total blackout.
We just got this email from TPM Reader DL. And as far as I can tell, she’s right. There does not seem to be any mention of Donald Trump on the official Republican Party website,
Hillary is there. Bernie is there. George H.W.Bush is there. Reagan is there. Reagan/Bush. Lincoln is there. No Trump anywhere. Not on the blog, signups. Not anywhere that I could find.
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SiubhanDuinne
Wait wait wait, Tom. Did you put up the Taylor painting after I commented? Because when I wrote my comment, I swear there was no artwork at all in the OP.
Person: “It might be a two-party system, but there’s a third party on the ballot. If Clinton wins without the support of Sanders voters, she is simply the most favorable candidate. If she loses because of the same, she was not. If she wins with their begrudging support, it leaves a false impression. How can anyone tell if someone voted for Clinton or the party or against the others? The message is more clear when you vote your conscience instead of having it coerced from you.”
Me: “Um, exit polls.”
Person: “Please elaborate.”
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gf120581
@Xecky Gilchrist: Even more amazing is how much Bernie’s campaign resembles Hillary’s in 2008, right down to the ugly backstabbing at the end. And Bernie even has his very own Mark Penn in Jeff Weaver. Your choice on who is more odious.
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Tom Levenson
@SiubhanDuinne: Yup. Sorry. Hit publish and then realized I’d forgotten the painting. No offense intended!
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Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: “Why, Siubhan Duinne…Mr. Levenson would *never* do that to you…it’s time to come in out of the nice warm sun now…that’s picture’s *always* been there…”
COLUMBUS, Ohio — A federal judge blocked certain requirements for how thousands of ballots are counted in Ohio, saying in a decision on Tuesday that the policies are unconstitutional and violate the Voting Rights Act.
…Among other changes, the laws require voters to provide certain identifying information when casting absentee or provisional ballots. Voters must include their name, signature, valid forms of identification, address and birth date. Ballots from legitimate voters could be rejected because of errors or omissions.
…The judge, Algenon L. Marbley of United States District Court, said the laws could harm black voters in particular.
“The Ohio General Assembly took action after the disastrous 2004 election to expand voters’ access to absentee and provisional balloting,” the decision said, “and the rollback of these improvements will disproportionately harm African-American voters.”
…The judge blocked Mr. Husted from requiring full and accurate completion of absentee- and provisional-ballot forms before otherwise qualified voters’ ballots could be counted. He also blocked sections that reduced the time voters could correct errors and prohibited poll worker assistance.
…Also on Tuesday, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit delivered an incremental victory for critics of Republican-engineered changes to North Carolina’s elections procedures.
In a brief order, the court said North Carolina could not, at least for now, enforce its recent rollbacks of same-day voter registration and out-of-precinct voting. The appeals court, which sits in Richmond, Va., will hear arguments about North Carolina’s practices on June 21, nearly two months after a federal judge upheld the procedures.
I wanted to make sure he understands, that he’s heard what went on there. The violence and all the other bad things that has happened there. He said that he condemns that. And I’m confident that he does. I’m confident he will be saying something about it soon. This is a test of leadership, as we all know, and I’m hopeful and very confident that Sen. Sanders will do the right thing.
– Harry Reid, May 17, 2016
(But I’m sure this time they’ve really gotten through to Bernie for real.)
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jl
@Major Major Major Major: If Sanders wants to bring in all his revolutionists, including the Sanders dead-enders I’m not sure he can do exactly what HRC did in 2008, though he may try that angle.
All he has to do is get most of them to the polls. So, I expect Sanders to work on his political revolution thing, exhort his supporters that revolutionists doesn’t quit when they don’t get everything they want on the first try, and his supporters are not quitters, and probably Sanders spending as much time on Senate and House races, and trying to drive voters to the polls for ‘the revolution’ as much or more than stumping for HRC. If that happens, many feelings will be hurt and heads explode among the political junkies, but it work it works.
We know the grouchy old coot can give speeches at three rallies a day for weeks at a time, so he has set a high bar for himself in working /every day’ to defeat Trump. If he behaves himself, I may even start contributing again to whatever he comes up with for his revolution.
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Baud
Chris Matthews was doom and gloom. Here’s hoping cooler heads prevail.
A Georgia man is facing assault charges after he allegedly shouted racial slurs and rammed a vehicle because an 82-year-old woman with a walker had been slow to get into her car.
Savannah Morning News reported that the incident occurred on May 26 as Ira McPherson was assisting her 82-year-old mother-in-law, Joan Wilson, in the Red & White Jones Food Market parking lot.
@efgoldman: Oh, you poor dear. It’s ‘gaslit‘ everywhere. You should really lay that old head down and take a nap, I’m sure you’ll remember the right word when you wake up.
Michael Grunwald ✔ @MikeGrunwald
These angry finance bros got Congress to pass a resolution trashing the fiduciary rule, but Obama just vetoed it.
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dmsilev
@JudyinSD: Of course not. That happens at the convention. However, Secretary Clinton _will be_ the nominee, which is of course why everyone except for the Sanders bitter-enders are calling her the “presumptive nominee”. I assume it was too much to ask for some reporter to jam that inconvenient fact into Weaver’s face?
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FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: I think he can just stop paying them after next Tuesday.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) knocked Republican senators Wednesday for supporting their party’s presumptive presidential nominee even though he “routinely insults” them.
“Donald Trump, who routinely insults Republican senators to their faces, among others, who denigrates Senator McCain. … We want this man to appoint someone to the Supreme Court?” Reid said from the Senate floor.
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Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
The Moustache of Understanding utters some doctorate level derp about the moral bankruptcy of the GOP and the need for a new center right party:
As you all know, I’m no Berner, but as the commenters are correctly putting it, America does have a sane center right party – they’re called Democrats, and Friedman has been trashing them for decades.
Matthew Yglesias ✔ @mattyglesias
A lot of senators who say they don’t agree with Trump’s racial theory of the judiciary are holding a Supreme Court seat vacant for him.
11:30 AM – 5 Jun 2016 · Washington, DC, United States
@Mnemosyne: My wife’s 96 yr old aunt when they get in her way at her assisted-living residence. Although she has never rammed one with her car since she no longer drives.:-)
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Baud
@amk: Good tweet. Who would have thought that the Bush and Romney families were the best the GOP had to offer?
And none taken. It’s only that as I get older I genuinely feel the need to check my own stability now and then to make sure I haven’t overlooked or forgotten something obvious.
(And now, I suppose, I’ve made myself vulnerable to anyone who might be amused by fucking with my head.)
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PhoenixRising
@rikyrah: it’s not his first time to the rodeo! That asshole’s hobby is getting blind drunk and hitting black women! Resolved:. Pookie & Lil Mo must be notified upon his arrival at the jail he’s going to, and I will visit historic Savannah when hell freezes over.
First time was less than 2 years ago and he obviously was not punished with jail time.
@Burnspbesq: Progress counts as progress. Regress in the hopes of greater future progress counts as regress.
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Barbara
@Chyron HR: I think Sanders really thought he would win California and that would so change the dynamics that he didn’t really need to worry about tactics.
“Time is the universe’s way of making sure everything doesn’t happen at once.”
I remember watching a PBS show about quantum physics and the nature of time and space. The narrator explained that time was… well, I can’t explain it properly. He implied that everything actually does (or did) happen at once, and the view of time as being a river that we sail along is a construct of our brains. The show left me more confused than ever about the whole thing.
Is there no free will? Is past, present and future one thing piled on top of each other? Is everything determined? I can’t wrap my head around it.
And will Mitch McConnell vow to make HRC a one-term president? Or has he already, in the quantum space/time continuum?
@SiubhanDuinne: No. Gaslit is an adjective. Gaslighted is the past tense of the verb gaslight.
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Burnspbesq
This isn’t exactly news, but it strikes me as a far more sensible way to address systemic risk in the banking sector than bilndfolding yourself, picking up an axe, and treating Citi and Chase like pinatas.
@germy: Quantum physics most certainly does have the concept of time, and things moving and changing. Sounds like something got garbled at some point.
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germy
watched the cbs evening news.
Scott Pelley interviewed HRC. After admitting that tRuMp had the worst week of his political life, he asked HRC if she wasn’t her own biggest problem (because she has the highest unfavorables of any democrat in history)?
My cat, who’d been dozing on a chair near the TV, looked up at me. The sound I made apparently startled her.
@germy: The theory (and this is not something that has evidence really, yet or ever, i think it’s mostly this guy) as I’ve seen it explained (and somebody who isn’t me will know more/better) is, roughly, that the universe is an n-dimensional crystal-ish thing, we’re just traveling between cross-sections and that give the illusion of motion through time and free will. Oddly enough this doesn’t diminish causality, just intent.
Progress counts as progress. Regress in the hopes of greater future progress counts as regress.
You sold me. Sanders’ problem lies in waking up all the impressionable youts he roofied with his careless rhetoric and convincing them of that.
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germy
@dmsilev: I wish I remember the narrator. He was a youngish dude who illustrated his lecture with snazzy special effects, like an arrow whizzing past his head in slow motion. He walked along a road labeled “time” and suggested that it wasn’t a road at all. That the past present and future were one thing that were simultaneous.
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JPL
@rikyrah: This should be sent to anyone who says that at least Trump isn’t politically correct.
“Upon escorting Mr. Crow to the back of a marked patrol vehicle I could smell the strong odor of an alcoholic beverage as he was talking,” a police report stated.
Hopefully a DUI charge will put him away for a while but, Jaysus, I would hate to have a drunk asshole like that wandering around my town. Sounds like he needs a comprehensive mental health exam.
I think Sanders really thought he would win California and that would so change the dynamics that he didn’t really need to worry about tactics.
Yeah, I think this too. But it’s a bit of the same problem as Peggy Noonan thinking Mitt Romney would win because of yard signs. You can’t put too much faith in what’s happening in public space. Gives a misleading impression, what with voting being a private act and all.
Did you just go rooting around in my yard, eat a cactus, and go for a hike.
Eats shoots and leaves.
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Davis X. Machina
@Mike J: Because the verb ‘to gaslight’ is derived from a movie that’s only 70 years ago — Gaslight was released in 1944 — and not the mode of illumination, its past tense can only be ‘gaslighted’.
New words don’t form strong perfect participles, or strong past tenses (e.g. teach > taught, drive > drove, driven) generally. The process is no longer productive.
Use Gaslighted when referring to the movies. With a capital G.
Even though psychologists use lower case
SATS dilemmas.
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hovercraft
@efgoldman:
Who is this Trump you speak of ? Ours, nah we know of no such person. It’ll be funny watching how extreme this gets. Already we have Ron Johnson who has never been in the senate and is apparently running for an open unoccupied seat.
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germy
@Barbara: That’s him! Brian Greene. I watched his show and it made me completely confused about the nature of time.
Did you watch his show or read his book? Do you understand what he says? I was fascinated, but completely at sea.
@dmsilev: People like to attribute all kinds of fanciful ideas to “quantum mechanics”.
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Betty Cracker
Maddow is doing a segment on Margaret Chase Smith. Fascinating old footage from 1964.
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FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: It depends upon whether she would rather go see the spiders at MOS (member preview day). Last day of school is Friday (8th grade graduation is tomorrow afternoon), and she has an evening swimming class, but I’m turning off the alarm until she starts MOS camp in July.
If she’s willing to go into town, I’ll bring her. If she’s willing to do both (cheap parking at MOS, Science Park to Haymarket on the T), that would be golden.
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germy
@schrodinger’s cat: lots of new age hucksters took some of the language of quantum mechanics to give an extra glow to their woo.
Quantum mechanics: the measurable difference between the amounts of the estimate and the final bill for auto repairs.
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dmsilev
@schrodinger’s cat: It’s the modern version of “by magic” or “God did it”.
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lollipopguild
@rikyrah: You mean Ryan’s plan to create a lot more poor people?
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dmsilev
@germy: I was once interviewed by a TV station doing a story on one of these new-age types (“Thinking happy thoughts at water in a freezer results in prettier ice crystals”); needless to say, I wasn’t particularly enthused with the theory…
The Bistromathic Drive is a wonderful new method of crossing vast interstellar distances without all the dangerous mucking about with Improbability Factors. Bistromathics itself is simply a revolutionary new way of understanding the behaviour of numbers. Just as Einstein observed that time was not an absolute but depended on the observer’s movement in space, and that space was not an absolute, but depended on the observer’s movement in time, it is now realised that numbers are not absolute, but depended on the observer’s movement in restaurants.
The first non-absolute number is the number of people for whom the table is reserved. This will vary during the course of the first three telephone calls to the restaurant, and then bear no apparent relation to the number of people who actually turn up, or to the number of people who subsequently join them after the show/match/party/gig, or to the number of people who leave when they see who else has turned up. The second non-absolute number is the given time of arrival, which is now known to be one of those most bizarre of the mathematical concepts, a recipriversexcluson, a number whose existence can only be defined as being anything, other than itself…
@SiubhanDuinne: we promise to bring this up at a latter date. gasup.
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jl
@efgoldman: I think Bernie Sanders was once a grouchy young coot.
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chopper
here’s hopin’. given that bernie’s most recent blast email cited the BoB movement and basically said he’s taking it to the convention i don’t have a ton of hope.
Corollary is the Early Bird Dash Drive, whose efficiency and distance traversed rises in proportion to the number of senior citizens on board a craft (see also: Silver String Theory).
Early Bird Dash Drive will not function in any capacity after time of sundown on the the nearest planetary body.
@efgoldman: That can’t be right. Then they’d go up as a percentage of the population. I guess if I just add a magical asterisk to the numerator…
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Jim Parish
@Davis X. Machina: More broadly, idioms formed from irregular verbs tend to regularize: “The batter flied out to center field”, “The guy with the weird hair really creeped me out”, etc. (There’s been some discussion of this on the American Dialect Society mailing list over the years.)
Well shit, Betty. I remember Margaret Chase Smith in real time.
ETA: Punk kids.
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KB
@rikyrah: @rikyrah: @rikyrah: @rikyrah: @rikyrah:
To be fair, the Democrats’ website doesn’t have anything about Hillary. But they have a lot about a gentleman named Barack Obama. Do they usually wait until the convention to go all in on their candidate?
@gwangung: Over Memorial Day weekend, I was talking to another Clinton supporter who told me that she and her wife both kept silent about supporting HRC because their friends were all Sanders supporters and would have jumped all over them.
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FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: Not that we can tell. She was drifting between Beaver Brook and Minuteman Park (Lincoln/Lex line) and they had helicopters and enviromental police looking, but she disappeared by Saturday. So either she found a very good hiding place or she headed back out toward 495.
As long as germy doesn’t cross the streams, things should be OK.
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Matt McIrvin
@Jim Parish: A friend of mine in college once insisted that the plural of “mouse” was “mouses” if they were the kind that attach to a computer. But I have seen this usage nowhere else.
@Iowa Old Lady: I get private messages on Facebook from friends thanking me for being a visible pro-Hillary presence. They don’t share things because everybody who posts about her gets so slagged.
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SiubhanDuinne
Completely O/T: I put up a pro-HRC comment on someone’s FB thread a little while ago, and now I’m all askeered to go back and see just what kind of shit is being thrown in my general direction.
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Barbara
@germy: I watched it but no, it is too counter to how we experience reality to absorb through such a drive by explanation.
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Matt McIrvin
@Burnspbesq: There may be some nuance, though. The friend in my FB feed who is posting the memes about how superdelegates don’t vote until the convention is also posting memes against Bernie-or-Busters.
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Suffragete City elftx
In the last 20 min. this from Sanders on the twitter machine:
Our mission is more than just defeating Trump. It is transforming our country. People want something to vote for rather than just against.
Cenk Uygur is saying he should suspend his campaign so if Hillary is indicted he can get back in and is being trashed on twitter for it. LOL
and now I’m all askeered to go back and see just what kind of shit is being thrown in my general direction.
Is it that, or that you’re concerned you’ll go back, find someone has deleted your comment, and then someone tells you (in a French accent) that you never posted anything.
@SFAW: Thanks, now I’m trying to think of ways in which a person could be gaslit, and it isn’t pretty.
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Matt McIrvin
@Suffragete City elftx: Politicians usually “suspend” their campaigns anyway, rather than ending them entirely, so they can continue to raise funds to cover campaign debts.
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West of the Cascades
@Suffragete City elftx: mostly agree (re: not trusting Sanders), although it’s also less than 24 hours since the “big win in California will force superdelegates to all shift to Bernie” mirage came crashing down. I fervently hope that Sanders comes out of the meeting with President Obama tomorrow morning humming a different tune.
@Iowa Old Lady: Yes. This isn’t a new phenomena…it’s been lasting for months. And you have to remember what people in Brooklyn thought…they were isolated, but were actually in the majority.
You can see how easy it was for some folks to construe the Bernie Bros behavior was part of all this, albeit on the more extreme end.
@germy: I’ll probably get this wrong, but according to the formulas that make up QM, Time can go forward, backwards, any which way. It’s just a dimension. However, those formulas don’t translate to our experience – and not just our personal experiencing of time. But also radioactive decay, birth and death of stars, of galaxies, the entire Universe, etc. The so called “Arrow of time” definitively points one way to all observations, even if theory says it can point any way.
Also, stuff is weird at the quantum level. Since one photon is indistinguishable from any other photon, maybe they don’t experience time at all (even though they change energy states).
@Burnspbesq:
The nurses union that has been supporting Bernie and spent 4 million on him (though he doesn’t have a superpac), is planning a rally for his supporters in Chicago next weekend. They want to urge him to keep campaigning all the way to the convention. He has not committed to attending, so who knows. The nurse in charge says she was with Sanders when the AP made the call and he was livid. She/ they believe that that early call was responsible for the loss in CA.
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hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
Last night I wanted to throw something at the TV when she came on. I’ve always been a big fan, but recently she has been sounding more and more unhinged.
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Baud
@hovercraft: I think everyone was unhappy with what the AP did, but it did obviously did not affect who won California. Maybe you could make the case with South Dakota, but not California.
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Emma
@hovercraft: *sigh* of course they would. Early voting, what’s that? insulting a beloved member of the California Democratic establishment, what’s that?
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hovercraft
@gwangung: .
The media keeps making this mistake, large crowds and yard signs do not equal votes. Loud angry tweets and posts don’t count either. You know what actually counts ? VOTES
Bullpuckey. It’s a running tally, and AP has been reporting on the numbers (per the methodology they use to determine them) throughout the election season, more so whenever the numbers change.
That a threshold number was reached and surpassed on that particular day (again, as AP determines what the totals are) cannot be laid at their doorstep.
@NotMax: Eh, there’s something to be said for the notion of a gentleman’s agreement not to do that until the winner/party is willing to declare. Like not calling a presidential election until 8:01pm Pacific.
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different-church-lady
Gas illuminated.
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hovercraft
@Baud: @Emma:
You’ve been bought and paid for by the MSM, didn’t you see the memo there is now proof.
Agreed when you hit the mark on the running tally that it.
Someone is always going to be cut off when the threshold is crossed.
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different-church-lady
@hovercraft: Holy fuckin’ god… a 12 PERCENT LOSS is because of a “premature” call?
I get this is just a rumor, but if it’s true these people are more deluded than anyone thought.
@Baud: Bernie wants a a person who says Obama is soft on terrorism to take over the DNC and force DWS out. He’s also backing a candidate that says the Iran deal was a sell out against DWS in her district.
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hovercraft
@different-church-lady:
The level of denial is breathtaking, NY was a Clinton conspiracy to protect her from independents. It’s not fair that he only had a year to introduce himself to blacks and latinos, she’s had years. If there were a more spread out calender with more states later on he would of won, because the more time he gets to spend in a state the better he does. ( Just like NY and CA ahem).
@Mike J:
Supporting right-wing candidates just to get even with DWS is a prime example of how unserious this socialist revolution really is at its core.
@Mike J: why does sfpelosi have the “coincidence detector” marks? Isn’t that a neo nazi thing?
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hovercraft
@dogwood:
I know better than to take just ‘win the morning’ at their word, but there has been a lot of reporting about Sanders being vindictive. I don’t believe he is crazy like Trump but he is almost as petty. He is a politician, and politics ain’t bean bag, people will criticize you get over it. You do not risk burnig down the country because someone was mean to you.
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lollipopguild
@redshirt: Oh hell yes. He was well above his level of actual competence when he was Atty Gen. it was like putting W.C. Fields in charge of the Federal Reserve.
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dogwood
@nellcote:
Bernie doesn’t have the balls to go after the real power brokers in the party – Obama, Pelosi, Reid- so he’s zeroed in on DWS. This is the TeaParty strategy. Make the party do petty shit or we’ll burn it down. If democrats haven’t learned from the republican debacle that if you give these irrational, uninformed voters an inch they’ll take a mile, then we deserve what we get.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Joel: So does Cole. So do I. It was a neo-Nazi thing, but a number Jewish tweeters adopted it and a fuck you and bunches of others adopted it in solidarity.
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Reggie Mantle
From the news out of the platform committee and the original post here, it looks like the ‘YOU GET NOTHING” crowd and the “OMG I HATE THESE FUCKING BERNIE KIDS SO MUCH” crowd (led by Cole) keep sliding further into the irrelevance they insist they already possess as Clinton acts like a grownup and refuses to dismiss over 12 million voters out of hand.
How does it feel to know your Queen doesn’t support your hate?
@hovercraft:
You don’t have to trust Politico, just pay attention. Anyone who really listened and watched Bernie shouldn’t be surprised that he can be petty and vindictive. What do people think Cornell West is all about? Why does Bernie hold only large rallies, no small town halls or intimate round table discussions with voters? Because that would require listening.
@Reggie Mantle: The Queen thing again? Your lack of good faith is palpable. If we are irrelevant, why are people paying you to troll here?
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hovercraft
@efgoldman:
As evidenced by the comment a couple above you, it’s 12 million strong. But seriously they just can’t believe she could of won fairly. I think that inspite of Bernie saying repeatedly that the path was narrow. many of his more passionate supporters ignored that and felt he would win. It was always plain that with almost no deviation (HI and AK ) demography was destiny, if the state was diverse Hillary won, if 90 % white Bernie won. So despite the happy talk about intensive campaigning moving the numbers it never happened. She won the mail in vote by a huge margin. Game set match,
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dogwood
@efgoldman:
Now, that Bernie’s 12 million voters control the platform committee, do you think we’ll all have to join the NRA and stock up on guns?
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hovercraft
@Omnes Omnibus:
Funny how we are being told that we have to listen to the ‘will of those 12 million people’, they don’t have to listen to the will of the 15.5 million votes she got. My voice matters too.
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dogwood
@hovercraft:
It might be 12 million strong, but 57% of them self identify as moderates. Do those voters get to make demands too?
Yeah, I saw the thing about that upcoming circle-jerk in Chicago on FB. I almost commented to the effect that there’s a meeting coming up where they can make a difference, called the Democratic National Convention, but I’m tired of speaking truth to people who are determined to run away from it.
Pff. As if. You’re probably female, over 35, or a minority.
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burnspbesq
What is Sanders going to say to his supporters? “Ignore everything I’ve said for the last year–I was drunk?”
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patroclus
@hovercraft: Demography is usually destiny, but candidates can at least attempt to alter that. Sanders could have tried to make himself more appealing to Latinos or African Americans by tailoring his message, by including agenda items like immigration and gun control in his stump speech, by pointedly appearing in other communities than college campuses and white-majority enclaves or running targeted ads or by endorsing local politicians with local appeal. But he never really did much of that – it was always the same message, the same type of venues, the same ads. So he didn’t really broaden his appeal.
But hopefully, these initial opening moves will bear fruit quickly in the unification game. We need as many as possible Bernie supporters to come aboard soon and we need their passion and their energy. We need to blow Trump out and win big down ballot throughout the country and Bernie supporters can really help with that. Hopefully, Hillary WILL broaden her appeal in ways that Obama did and Sanders did not.
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Omnes Omnibus
@hovercraft: No, it does not, you impure harlot. Know your place. Purify yourself in the waters of Lake Champlain
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Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@hovercraft: In a previous thread a comment was made that Hillary didn’t get 3 million more votes and that there was a “plethora” of voting irregularities.
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burnspbesq
I wonder whether any platform that Cornel West has a hand in drafting can be as coherent as the Texas Republican platform …
If we are irrelevant, why are people paying you to troll here?
LOL. It’s you people that alternately claim (1) this is just a mid level blog, our shitty behavior isn’t going to turn anyone off of voting for Hillary and (2) this blog is so important that the RNC has targeted it to be invaded by paid Trump trolls.
@Reggie Mantle: “you people” is a phrase that consistently wins friends.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: I am just responding to your comments. Honestly, I think this blog is a poor investment for the RNC, but then Republicans just chose Donald Trump as their candidate. They are dumb enough to do anything. Dumb enough even to pay you to troll a Single A blog like this one.
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dogwood
@burnspbesq:
There’s something kinda sad about this. You make progress in this country by controlling the real levers of power – the White House, the Courts, Congress and state government. Hundreds of millions spent so Bernie can demand the head of DWS and put the likes of Cornell West on the platform committee. How small-ball is that? And what a waste of time, energy and money.
@Omnes Omnibus: Single A might be too generous. Cape Cod League more like it.
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hovercraft
@patroclus: @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:
Yes getting more people to vote for you seems irregular to the person you beat. But that’s the whole point, one of the few times that I saw Sanders in a black church I remember one of the pundits remarking about how uncomfortable he looked, and how most of the people ignored him and ate their lunch.
I don’t know if more time would have made a difference, for all that they are criticized, the Clintons have spent decades building these relationships. Sanders needed to start a lot earlier than last year.
There is no agreement not to call a presidential election before 8:01 Pacific time. Each state is called (if possible) as its votes are tallied – nut not until after each state’s polls close. Should someone surpass 270 electoral votes before the polls close in the Pacific zone, other states’ electoral outcomes ought to be kept secret and the running tally not be reported? News reports should suddenly go mum if it becomes clear that is happening?
You cannot be serious.
192.
patroclus
I’m watching Joan Baez’s 75th Birthday celebration on PBS (a re-broadcast). She was probably for Sanders, but I still like her a lot. I wish I could feel the same about Susan Sarandon but I really don’t want to do the time warp ever again.
Agree that “meese” is plural of moose. But “meeces” is the correct spelling for their three-orders-of-magnitude smaller cousins. (Yes, I know that “three orders of magnitude smaller” is not a proper use of the comparative, but I’m old, tired, and lazy.)
@SFAW: No one calls a multiple of moose “meeces”. They’re mooses.
204.
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: There are Bernie supporters around here who I disagree with on the merits but have no issue with, OTOH, people who popped up for the first time around here after Clinton basically had the nomination in hand and started demanding genuflections from long time Dems… Fuck them. Figure out into which category you fit.
I think Hillary and the Democrats in general have an excellent chance to take both the White House and the Senate–so long as they don’t adopt the attitude of the lemmings here who’d rather go over the cliff than see their Queen offer Bernie Sanders or his supporters anything. I think there are people here, and I’m looking at YOU, John Cole, who would literally rather lose to Trump than see Bernie Sanders or his supporters get so much as a plank in the platform.
The hate runs that deep, See Cole’s recent front page post.See also the people who demand that you vote for Trump, Stein, etc. if you don’t “whole heartedly” support Hillary.
The House? Thanks to gerrymandering, that’s a tougher nut to crack. But it can be done, if these “real Democrats” don’t piss it away.
There is nothing to excuse, nor any opprobrium. Quote simply, there is no such “gentleman’s agreement” as you posit.
207.
nastybrutishntall
@Reggie Mantle: I don’t know — how does it feel to be wasting so much of your own time being an ineffectual ratfucker? It’s gotta get tiring to your mom.
Gah, being in the frozen north has messed with your mind.
“Meeces” is plural of mouse.
“Meese” is plural of moose.
“Meeses” (note the spelling) is for more meese than has been seen on the Kancamagus (or “Kangamangus,” as the Massholes call it) since before teh Old Man in the Mountain first appeared.
You kids, I swear.
209.
hovercraft
@patroclus:
I think the senate is 75/25, the house 20/80.
But we should og all in on Issa’s challenger.
And name calling is ALWAYS a way to win friends and influence people.
His primary — perhaps only — purpose here is to try to pick fights with Balloon Juice commenters. And see how many times he can say “YOU FUCKING SUCK ” to the people here. OK, his two chief purposes. Plus his fanatical devotion to the Pope. OK, amongst his purposes here …
???? Did Putin die or something? Or are you talking about a different Bob?
216.
dogwood
@Reggie Mantle:
I don’t give a damn what concessions Hillary, Obama et al offer to Sanders as long as Bernie agrees to behave decently. What I won’t support is allowing Bernie to go after individuals in the party, be they Barney Frank, Malloy, or DWS. That’s just petty, personal, vindictive bullshit.
217.
patroclus
@Reggie Mantle: Don’t believe everything Cole writes – he often trolls his own blog just to get lots of responses.:-) And he’s discovered that with the snarling band of jackals that we all are, he often gets good click bait by deliberately igniting a good Clinton-Sanders blogfight.
Good to see you’re on board! If Bernie’s supporters are with us – we’re gonna win huge!
@patroclus: The dude is not remotely on board. He is either a hardcore Bernie dead-ender or a GOP troll pretending to be a Bernie guy. I say the latter.
The difference between 2008 & 2016? Basically it comes down to gender. I never worried that the crazy bitter end PUMAs would do anything violently stupid. I came across this crazy shit today. Sanders run has been much more testosterone fueled, and if he doesn’t stomp it down hard, some loon is going to pick up a piece and do something tragic.
How does it feel to know your Queen doesn’t support your hate?
It feels really really good to know she doesn’t have to concern herself with petty things, like the deluded, resentful natterings of internet trolls, that’s for certain.
226.
Chris T.
@efgoldman: Welsh is similar, but with more “ll”s and “w”s, so it would be “gaesllwyllywhlwyting”, or something like that.
Racist Georgia Redneck Bastards are the only people on earth who would run their truck at a old woman using a walker, except for all the other Racist Redneck Bastards all over the world.
Hope he learns that even in Georgia that kind of shit will get you 5 to 10 in the state pen as well as a felony record that will keep him from ever handling a firearm again in his whole life.
The online Oxford Dictionaries entry for mouse states the plural for the small rodent is mice, while the plural for the small computer connected device is either mice or mouses.
SiubhanDuinne
Tom, you couldn’t even be bothered to put up an image of “The Persistence of Memory”?
jeffreyw
@SiubhanDuinne: He was going to, but forgot.
PaulWartenberg2016
Let us remember one thing:
GET THE DAMN VOTE OUT FOR THE DEMOCRATS UP AND DOWN THE BALLOTS, EVERYBODY.
rikyrah
Alana Austin @alana_austin Jun 7
Just In: VA Elections Commissioner says 6,054 ex-felons have registered to vote from @GovernorVA’s blanket restoration of rights order.
Tom Levenson
@jeffreyw: ….
Well played.
@SiubhanDuinne: Saving that for the right time..
SiubhanDuinne
@SiubhanDuinne:
More seriously, that’s a really nice conversation, and I’m glad Hillary and Bernie are talking beyond expected platitudes. Bernie and his team and some of his followers have royally pissed me off this year, but then so did Hillary and her team in 2008, and we all got over it. Bernie frosted my ass again in his speech last night, but I do think he’ll come around and end up being a great member of Team Hillary after the convention.
SiubhanDuinne
@jeffreyw:
LOL, nicely played!
gf120581
Well, that’s good to hear. Obama and Reid might not even need to come down hard on Sanders tomorrow.
Warren will endorse shortly as well. Cue up the VP chatter, though I have to admit, I’m finding the option of Xavier Becerra more and more intriguing.
Xecky Gilchrist
I never cease to be amazed how much Sanders’s supporters in 2016 resemble Mrs. Clinton’s supporters in 2008.
rikyrah
BWA HA HA HA HA HA H AH AH HA HA
Josh Marshall@joshtpm
Holy Crap. The RNC website does not contain a single reference to Donald Trump. No picture, no name. Total blackout.
We just got this email from TPM Reader DL. And as far as I can tell, she’s right. There does not seem to be any mention of Donald Trump on the official Republican Party website,
Hillary is there. Bernie is there. George H.W.Bush is there. Reagan is there. Reagan/Bush. Lincoln is there. No Trump anywhere. Not on the blog, signups. Not anywhere that I could find.
SiubhanDuinne
Wait wait wait, Tom. Did you put up the Taylor painting after I commented? Because when I wrote my comment, I swear there was no artwork at all in the OP.
#feelslikebeing gaslighted #iamnotakook
Major Major Major Major
Well, assuming this account of the call isn’t just
eroticfriend fiction, that’s good.gf120581
@rikyrah: The Candidate Who Must Not Be Named.
At this point, RNC members should just start calling themselves Death Eaters.:
Miss Bianca
According to Sec. Clinton, the talk went very well. I really hope Sen. Sanders concurs.
Major Major Major Major
I just had a very dumb conversation.
gf120581
@Xecky Gilchrist: Even more amazing is how much Bernie’s campaign resembles Hillary’s in 2008, right down to the ugly backstabbing at the end. And Bernie even has his very own Mark Penn in Jeff Weaver. Your choice on who is more odious.
Tom Levenson
@SiubhanDuinne: Yup. Sorry. Hit publish and then realized I’d forgotten the painting. No offense intended!
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: “Why, Siubhan Duinne…Mr. Levenson would *never* do that to you…it’s time to come in out of the nice warm sun now…that’s picture’s *always* been there…”
#nothingtoseeheremovealong
Miss Bianca
@Major Major Major Major: was this from one of the other threads? //
ChrisGrrr
A unified party going into the convention…
Good words.
JudyinSD
Latest from Weaver as he stepped off the plane in Vermont and said, “No one is the nominee”
rikyrah
Federal Judge Says 2 Ohio Voting Laws Are Unconstitutional
COLUMBUS, Ohio — A federal judge blocked certain requirements for how thousands of ballots are counted in Ohio, saying in a decision on Tuesday that the policies are unconstitutional and violate the Voting Rights Act.
…Among other changes, the laws require voters to provide certain identifying information when casting absentee or provisional ballots. Voters must include their name, signature, valid forms of identification, address and birth date. Ballots from legitimate voters could be rejected because of errors or omissions.
…The judge, Algenon L. Marbley of United States District Court, said the laws could harm black voters in particular.
“The Ohio General Assembly took action after the disastrous 2004 election to expand voters’ access to absentee and provisional balloting,” the decision said, “and the rollback of these improvements will disproportionately harm African-American voters.”
…The judge blocked Mr. Husted from requiring full and accurate completion of absentee- and provisional-ballot forms before otherwise qualified voters’ ballots could be counted. He also blocked sections that reduced the time voters could correct errors and prohibited poll worker assistance.
…Also on Tuesday, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit delivered an incremental victory for critics of Republican-engineered changes to North Carolina’s elections procedures.
In a brief order, the court said North Carolina could not, at least for now, enforce its recent rollbacks of same-day voter registration and out-of-precinct voting. The appeals court, which sits in Richmond, Va., will hear arguments about North Carolina’s practices on June 21, nearly two months after a federal judge upheld the procedures.
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: It’s gaslit.
Chyron HR
– Harry Reid, May 17, 2016
(But I’m sure this time they’ve really gotten through to Bernie for real.)
jl
@Major Major Major Major: If Sanders wants to bring in all his revolutionists, including the Sanders dead-enders I’m not sure he can do exactly what HRC did in 2008, though he may try that angle.
All he has to do is get most of them to the polls. So, I expect Sanders to work on his political revolution thing, exhort his supporters that revolutionists doesn’t quit when they don’t get everything they want on the first try, and his supporters are not quitters, and probably Sanders spending as much time on Senate and House races, and trying to drive voters to the polls for ‘the revolution’ as much or more than stumping for HRC. If that happens, many feelings will be hurt and heads explode among the political junkies, but it work it works.
We know the grouchy old coot can give speeches at three rallies a day for weeks at a time, so he has set a high bar for himself in working /every day’ to defeat Trump. If he behaves himself, I may even start contributing again to whatever he comes up with for his revolution.
Baud
Chris Matthews was doom and gloom. Here’s hoping cooler heads prevail.
rikyrah
Under the jail???
Then, when he gets there.. GP and tell Pookie what he did.
Impatient Georgia man yells ‘n****r bitch’ at 82-year-old woman with walker — then rams her car
June 8, 2016
A Georgia man is facing assault charges after he allegedly shouted racial slurs and rammed a vehicle because an 82-year-old woman with a walker had been slow to get into her car.
Savannah Morning News reported that the incident occurred on May 26 as Ira McPherson was assisting her 82-year-old mother-in-law, Joan Wilson, in the Red & White Jones Food Market parking lot.
Xecky Gilchrist
@gf120581: Very good point.
Omnes Omnibus
@rikyrah: Marbley is an absolutely awesome judge. And a hella nice guy.
Miss Bianca
@JudyinSD: Well. I’m glad we got that straightened out.
@rikyrah: Good God.
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: Oh, you poor dear. It’s ‘gaslit‘ everywhere. You should really lay that old head down and take a nap, I’m sure you’ll remember the right word when you wake up.
[*edits all the dictionaries in your house*]
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
WTF? Who gets that angry at an old lady with a walker?
rikyrah
Steve Benen @stevebenen
Paul Ryan’s anti-poverty plan was overlooked yesterday & that’s a shame – because folks should know how awful it is
FlyingToaster
@Major Major Major Major: Not according to Wictionary:
gaslight
rikyrah
Michael Grunwald ✔ @MikeGrunwald
These angry finance bros got Congress to pass a resolution trashing the fiduciary rule, but Obama just vetoed it.
dmsilev
@JudyinSD: Of course not. That happens at the convention. However, Secretary Clinton _will be_ the nominee, which is of course why everyone except for the Sanders bitter-enders are calling her the “presumptive nominee”. I assume it was too much to ask for some reporter to jam that inconvenient fact into Weaver’s face?
FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: I think he can just stop paying them after next Tuesday.
rikyrah
Reid: Trump ‘routinely insults’ GOP senators to their faces
June 08, 2016, 10:48 am
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) knocked Republican senators Wednesday for supporting their party’s presumptive presidential nominee even though he “routinely insults” them.
“Donald Trump, who routinely insults Republican senators to their faces, among others, who denigrates Senator McCain. … We want this man to appoint someone to the Supreme Court?” Reid said from the Senate floor.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
The Moustache of Understanding utters some doctorate level derp about the moral bankruptcy of the GOP and the need for a new center right party:
Stupid goes to the Bone
The comments are brutal, and true.
As you all know, I’m no Berner, but as the commenters are correctly putting it, America does have a sane center right party – they’re called Democrats, and Friedman has been trashing them for decades.
Major Major Major Major
@FlyingToaster: Two can play at that game.
I was this close to editing wiktionary and telling you to check again, BTW. Frankly I don’t really know what the past tense is.
Major Major Major Major
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I saw that on Memeorandum this morning. I was like “this is a pretty good description of the democrats.” Glad to see I wasn’t alone!
Baud
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Benen used to have a recurring post about how the Democrats met all of Friedman’s criteria every time he listed what he wanted in a political party.
Burnspbesq
@rikyrah:
Sweet! The fiduciary rule is a much-needed reform.
Baud
@rikyrah:
@Burnspbesq:
Not bad for a sell out.
MomSense
@rikyrah:
Great news!
rikyrah
Matthew Yglesias ✔ @mattyglesias
A lot of senators who say they don’t agree with Trump’s racial theory of the judiciary are holding a Supreme Court seat vacant for him.
11:30 AM – 5 Jun 2016 · Washington, DC, United States
debbie
@rikyrah:
I believe this is the third time judges have struck down voter “reforms” in Ohio. Hopefully, Boy Husted will be chastened. Not.
amk
America should pay attention to the people who actually know what the job entails.
Burnspbesq
@Baud:
Dear Berniacs,
Incremental progress counts as progress.
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: Gaslighted, like hanged.
Felonius Monk
@Mnemosyne: My wife’s 96 yr old aunt when they get in her way at her assisted-living residence. Although she has never rammed one with her car since she no longer drives.:-)
Baud
@amk: Good tweet. Who would have thought that the Bush and Romney families were the best the GOP had to offer?
SiubhanDuinne
@Tom Levenson:
And none taken. It’s only that as I get older I genuinely feel the need to check my own stability now and then to make sure I haven’t overlooked or forgotten something obvious.
(And now, I suppose, I’ve made myself vulnerable to anyone who might be amused by fucking with my head.)
PhoenixRising
@rikyrah: it’s not his first time to the rodeo! That asshole’s hobby is getting blind drunk and hitting black women! Resolved:. Pookie & Lil Mo must be notified upon his arrival at the jail he’s going to, and I will visit historic Savannah when hell freezes over.
First time was less than 2 years ago and he obviously was not punished with jail time.
SiubhanDuinne
@Miss Bianca:
Yep, LOL, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
Baud
@Burnspbesq: Progress counts as progress. Regress in the hopes of greater future progress counts as regress.
Barbara
@Chyron HR: I think Sanders really thought he would win California and that would so change the dynamics that he didn’t really need to worry about tactics.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
I keep telling you and telling you, I can do that to myself.
SiubhanDuinne
@Major Major Major Major:
Preach, Brother Brother Brother Brother.
germy
I remember watching a PBS show about quantum physics and the nature of time and space. The narrator explained that time was… well, I can’t explain it properly. He implied that everything actually does (or did) happen at once, and the view of time as being a river that we sail along is a construct of our brains. The show left me more confused than ever about the whole thing.
Is there no free will? Is past, present and future one thing piled on top of each other? Is everything determined? I can’t wrap my head around it.
And will Mitch McConnell vow to make HRC a one-term president? Or has he already, in the quantum space/time continuum?
Baud
Isn’t it gaslought?
Mike J
@SiubhanDuinne: No. Gaslit is an adjective. Gaslighted is the past tense of the verb gaslight.
Burnspbesq
This isn’t exactly news, but it strikes me as a far more sensible way to address systemic risk in the banking sector than bilndfolding yourself, picking up an axe, and treating Citi and Chase like pinatas.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/bankinforeg/srletters/sr1518a1.pdf
dmsilev
@germy: Quantum physics most certainly does have the concept of time, and things moving and changing. Sounds like something got garbled at some point.
germy
watched the cbs evening news.
Scott Pelley interviewed HRC. After admitting that tRuMp had the worst week of his political life, he asked HRC if she wasn’t her own biggest problem (because she has the highest unfavorables of any democrat in history)?
My cat, who’d been dozing on a chair near the TV, looked up at me. The sound I made apparently startled her.
Major Major Major Major
@germy: The theory (and this is not something that has evidence really, yet or ever, i think it’s mostly this guy) as I’ve seen it explained (and somebody who isn’t me will know more/better) is, roughly, that the universe is an n-dimensional crystal-ish thing, we’re just traveling between cross-sections and that give the illusion of motion through time and free will. Oddly enough this doesn’t diminish causality, just intent.
Burnspbesq
@Baud:
You sold me. Sanders’ problem lies in waking up all the impressionable youts he roofied with his careless rhetoric and convincing them of that.
germy
@dmsilev: I wish I remember the narrator. He was a youngish dude who illustrated his lecture with snazzy special effects, like an arrow whizzing past his head in slow motion. He walked along a road labeled “time” and suggested that it wasn’t a road at all. That the past present and future were one thing that were simultaneous.
JPL
@rikyrah: This should be sent to anyone who says that at least Trump isn’t politically correct.
Mnemosyne
@PhoenixRising:
Sometimes copspeak cracks me up:
Hopefully a DUI charge will put him away for a while but, Jaysus, I would hate to have a drunk asshole like that wandering around my town. Sounds like he needs a comprehensive mental health exam.
FlipYrWhig
@Barbara:
Yeah, I think this too. But it’s a bit of the same problem as Peggy Noonan thinking Mitt Romney would win because of yard signs. You can’t put too much faith in what’s happening in public space. Gives a misleading impression, what with voting being a private act and all.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mike J:
Tom gaslit me.
I have been gaslighted by Tom.
Or maybe vice versa. I’m not worrying about it, as I hope never to have this conversation again.
Major Major Major Major
@germy: Did you just go rooting around in my yard, eat a cactus, and go for a hike.
germy
@Major Major Major Major: I need to eat some mushrooms and listen to his audio book.
debbie
@germy:
This? He’s alway using lots of special effects.
SiubhanDuinne
@rikyrah:
This is a few weeks old, but I became aware of it only today. Holy shit, this woman is sadly deranged.
germy
@debbie: No, it wasn’t Tyson. I can generally understand what he says. I wish I remembered the physics guy. He had a brief series last year on PBS.
Matt McIrvin
@Xecky Gilchrist: Some of the dead-enders are literally the same people.
germy
@Major Major Major Major:
Eats shoots and leaves.
Davis X. Machina
@Mike J: Because the verb ‘to gaslight’ is derived from a movie that’s only 70 years ago — Gaslight was released in 1944 — and not the mode of illumination, its past tense can only be ‘gaslighted’.
New words don’t form strong perfect participles, or strong past tenses (e.g. teach > taught, drive > drove, driven) generally. The process is no longer productive.
Barbara
@germy: Brian Greene. I think he is at Columbia.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Use Gaslighted when referring to the movies. With a capital G.
Even though psychologists use lower case
SATS dilemmas.
hovercraft
@efgoldman:
Who is this Trump you speak of ? Ours, nah we know of no such person. It’ll be funny watching how extreme this gets. Already we have Ron Johnson who has never been in the senate and is apparently running for an open unoccupied seat.
germy
@Barbara: That’s him! Brian Greene. I watched his show and it made me completely confused about the nature of time.
Did you watch his show or read his book? Do you understand what he says? I was fascinated, but completely at sea.
schrodinger's cat
@dmsilev: People like to attribute all kinds of fanciful ideas to “quantum mechanics”.
Betty Cracker
Maddow is doing a segment on Margaret Chase Smith. Fascinating old footage from 1964.
FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: It depends upon whether she would rather go see the spiders at MOS (member preview day). Last day of school is Friday (8th grade graduation is tomorrow afternoon), and she has an evening swimming class, but I’m turning off the alarm until she starts MOS camp in July.
If she’s willing to go into town, I’ll bring her. If she’s willing to do both (cheap parking at MOS, Science Park to Haymarket on the T), that would be golden.
germy
@schrodinger’s cat: lots of new age hucksters took some of the language of quantum mechanics to give an extra glow to their woo.
NotMax
@schrodinger’s cat
Quantum mechanics: the measurable difference between the amounts of the estimate and the final bill for auto repairs.
dmsilev
@schrodinger’s cat: It’s the modern version of “by magic” or “God did it”.
lollipopguild
@rikyrah: You mean Ryan’s plan to create a lot more poor people?
dmsilev
@germy: I was once interviewed by a TV station doing a story on one of these new-age types (“Thinking happy thoughts at water in a freezer results in prettier ice crystals”); needless to say, I wasn’t particularly enthused with the theory…
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax:
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: I’ve been meaning to read the entire series.
lollipopguild
@germy: Depends on which time stream you happen to be in.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: Was there a spoon?
ThresherK
@@rikyrah: germy: Brian Greene?
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: we promise to bring this up at a latter date. gasup.
jl
@efgoldman: I think Bernie Sanders was once a grouchy young coot.
chopper
here’s hopin’. given that bernie’s most recent blast email cited the BoB movement and basically said he’s taking it to the convention i don’t have a ton of hope.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
Corollary is the Early Bird Dash Drive, whose efficiency and distance traversed rises in proportion to the number of senior citizens on board a craft (see also: Silver String Theory).
Early Bird Dash Drive will not function in any capacity after time of sundown on the the nearest planetary body.
germy
@ThresherK: yes
germy
@lollipopguild:
Do I have a choice?
Burnspbesq
The Sanders crap that rolls into my FB has gotten, if anything, more strident and impervious to logic today.
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: That can’t be right. Then they’d go up as a percentage of the population. I guess if I just add a magical asterisk to the numerator…
Jim Parish
@Davis X. Machina: More broadly, idioms formed from irregular verbs tend to regularize: “The batter flied out to center field”, “The guy with the weird hair really creeped me out”, etc. (There’s been some discussion of this on the American Dialect Society mailing list over the years.)
germy
“The Illusion Of Time” Brian Greene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ngv-8b8FM
Would taking mushrooms help before re-watching this?
Betty Cracker
FFS. The usually sane Nina Turner is babbling about Sanders campaigning all the way to the convention on the Maddow show.
SiubhanDuinne
@Betty Cracker:
Well shit, Betty. I remember Margaret Chase Smith in real time.
ETA: Punk kids.
KB
@rikyrah: @rikyrah: @rikyrah: @rikyrah: @rikyrah:
To be fair, the Democrats’ website doesn’t have anything about Hillary. But they have a lot about a gentleman named Barack Obama. Do they usually wait until the convention to go all in on their candidate?
gwangung
@FlipYrWhig: Pertinent to this is the silent Clinton voter.
gogol's wife
@Betty Cracker:
My husband is madly in love with MCS. He wishes she could be president-for-life, even though she’s dead.
germy
@gogol’s wife: Did she really want to use nuclear weapons on Russia? Or is that a myth?
NotMax
@Jim Parish
Different niche, but cringe whenever hear or read “The defendant pled not guilty.”
That may be a lost cause by now, but shall never give in on the use of hung for hanged.
gogol's wife
@SiubhanDuinne:
Paula, what happened to the picture, Paula?
gogol's wife
@germy:
Search me! I’m not that old!
Iowa Old Lady
@gwangung: Over Memorial Day weekend, I was talking to another Clinton supporter who told me that she and her wife both kept silent about supporting HRC because their friends were all Sanders supporters and would have jumped all over them.
FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: Not that we can tell. She was drifting between Beaver Brook and Minuteman Park (Lincoln/Lex line) and they had helicopters and enviromental police looking, but she disappeared by Saturday. So either she found a very good hiding place or she headed back out toward 495.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Stands the Church clock at ten to three?
And is there honey still for tea?
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady: Although I’m no Nixon fan, the power of the concept of a “silent majority” is starting to dawn on me.
SFAW
@lollipopguild:
As long as germy doesn’t cross the streams, things should be OK.
Matt McIrvin
@Jim Parish: A friend of mine in college once insisted that the plural of “mouse” was “mouses” if they were the kind that attach to a computer. But I have seen this usage nowhere else.
Major Major Major Major
@Iowa Old Lady: I get private messages on Facebook from friends thanking me for being a visible pro-Hillary presence. They don’t share things because everybody who posts about her gets so slagged.
SiubhanDuinne
Completely O/T: I put up a pro-HRC comment on someone’s FB thread a little while ago, and now I’m all askeered to go back and see just what kind of shit is being thrown in my general direction.
Barbara
@germy: I watched it but no, it is too counter to how we experience reality to absorb through such a drive by explanation.
Matt McIrvin
@Burnspbesq: There may be some nuance, though. The friend in my FB feed who is posting the memes about how superdelegates don’t vote until the convention is also posting memes against Bernie-or-Busters.
Suffragete City elftx
In the last 20 min. this from Sanders on the twitter machine:
Our mission is more than just defeating Trump. It is transforming our country. People want something to vote for rather than just against.
Cenk Uygur is saying he should suspend his campaign so if Hillary is indicted he can get back in and is being trashed on twitter for it. LOL
I do not trust Sanders as far as I can spit.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Not quite: people can be gaslighted, but not gaslit, whereas with the other word(s), well … never mind, best I not finish that one.
ThresherK
@SiubhanDuinne: Oh, I would like to say I can’t believe how quickly the crazee got going, but I’d be lying. The write-insters are my favorites.
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
Is it that, or that you’re concerned you’ll go back, find someone has deleted your comment, and then someone tells you (in a French accent) that you never posted anything.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: Thanks, now I’m trying to think of ways in which a person could be gaslit, and it isn’t pretty.
Matt McIrvin
@Suffragete City elftx: Politicians usually “suspend” their campaigns anyway, rather than ending them entirely, so they can continue to raise funds to cover campaign debts.
West of the Cascades
@Suffragete City elftx: mostly agree (re: not trusting Sanders), although it’s also less than 24 hours since the “big win in California will force superdelegates to all shift to Bernie” mirage came crashing down. I fervently hope that Sanders comes out of the meeting with President Obama tomorrow morning humming a different tune.
Chris T.
@Baud:
I say, take our cue from Irish Gaelic, and spell it gaeseaughlightmbvesd, which is then pronounced “gilt”.
SFAW
@Matt McIrvin:
Not meeces? Which are hated to pieces?
gwangung
@Iowa Old Lady: Yes. This isn’t a new phenomena…it’s been lasting for months. And you have to remember what people in Brooklyn thought…they were isolated, but were actually in the majority.
You can see how easy it was for some folks to construe the Bernie Bros behavior was part of all this, albeit on the more extreme end.
redshirt
@germy: I’ll probably get this wrong, but according to the formulas that make up QM, Time can go forward, backwards, any which way. It’s just a dimension. However, those formulas don’t translate to our experience – and not just our personal experiencing of time. But also radioactive decay, birth and death of stars, of galaxies, the entire Universe, etc. The so called “Arrow of time” definitively points one way to all observations, even if theory says it can point any way.
Also, stuff is weird at the quantum level. Since one photon is indistinguishable from any other photon, maybe they don’t experience time at all (even though they change energy states).
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Yes. The practice has been outlawed (or “outlit,” according to some people) in the US because it violates the Eighth Amendment
redshirt
@Major Major Major Major: “The Magus” by John Fowles is a wonderful gaslighting novel.
hovercraft
@Burnspbesq:
The nurses union that has been supporting Bernie and spent 4 million on him (though he doesn’t have a superpac), is planning a rally for his supporters in Chicago next weekend. They want to urge him to keep campaigning all the way to the convention. He has not committed to attending, so who knows. The nurse in charge says she was with Sanders when the AP made the call and he was livid. She/ they believe that that early call was responsible for the loss in CA.
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
Last night I wanted to throw something at the TV when she came on. I’ve always been a big fan, but recently she has been sounding more and more unhinged.
Baud
@hovercraft: I think everyone was unhappy with what the AP did, but it did obviously did not affect who won California. Maybe you could make the case with South Dakota, but not California.
Emma
@hovercraft: *sigh* of course they would. Early voting, what’s that? insulting a beloved member of the California Democratic establishment, what’s that?
hovercraft
@gwangung: .
The media keeps making this mistake, large crowds and yard signs do not equal votes. Loud angry tweets and posts don’t count either. You know what actually counts ? VOTES
NotMax
@hovercraft
Bullpuckey. It’s a running tally, and AP has been reporting on the numbers (per the methodology they use to determine them) throughout the election season, more so whenever the numbers change.
That a threshold number was reached and surpassed on that particular day (again, as AP determines what the totals are) cannot be laid at their doorstep.
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: Eh, there’s something to be said for the notion of a gentleman’s agreement not to do that until the winner/party is willing to declare. Like not calling a presidential election until 8:01pm Pacific.
different-church-lady
Gas illuminated.
hovercraft
@Baud: @Emma:
You’ve been bought and paid for by the MSM, didn’t you see the memo there is now proof.
Agreed when you hit the mark on the running tally that it.
Someone is always going to be cut off when the threshold is crossed.
different-church-lady
@hovercraft: Holy fuckin’ god… a 12 PERCENT LOSS is because of a “premature” call?
I get this is just a rumor, but if it’s true these people are more deluded than anyone thought.
Baud
@hovercraft: I assume my check is in the mail.
Mike J
Baud
@Mike J: What’s that referring to?
hovercraft
@Baud:
Your payoff is the VP slot.
Mike J
@Baud: Bernie wants a a person who says Obama is soft on terrorism to take over the DNC and force DWS out. He’s also backing a candidate that says the Iran deal was a sell out against DWS in her district.
hovercraft
@different-church-lady:
The level of denial is breathtaking, NY was a Clinton conspiracy to protect her from independents. It’s not fair that he only had a year to introduce himself to blacks and latinos, she’s had years. If there were a more spread out calender with more states later on he would of won, because the more time he gets to spend in a state the better he does. ( Just like NY and CA ahem).
nellcote
@Baud:
demand by benie to replace DWS immediately
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@germy: Sounds like it’s The Illusion of Time (1:(1:10:08)
Cheers,
Scott.
dogwood
@Mike J:
Supporting right-wing candidates just to get even with DWS is a prime example of how unserious this socialist revolution really is at its core.
lollipopguild
@Matt McIrvin: Meeses=I hate meeses to pieces!
redshirt
@lollipopguild: Ed Meese too?
Joel
@Mike J: why does sfpelosi have the “coincidence detector” marks? Isn’t that a neo nazi thing?
hovercraft
@dogwood:
I know better than to take just ‘win the morning’ at their word, but there has been a lot of reporting about Sanders being vindictive. I don’t believe he is crazy like Trump but he is almost as petty. He is a politician, and politics ain’t bean bag, people will criticize you get over it. You do not risk burnig down the country because someone was mean to you.
lollipopguild
@redshirt: Oh hell yes. He was well above his level of actual competence when he was Atty Gen. it was like putting W.C. Fields in charge of the Federal Reserve.
dogwood
@nellcote:
Bernie doesn’t have the balls to go after the real power brokers in the party – Obama, Pelosi, Reid- so he’s zeroed in on DWS. This is the TeaParty strategy. Make the party do petty shit or we’ll burn it down. If democrats haven’t learned from the republican debacle that if you give these irrational, uninformed voters an inch they’ll take a mile, then we deserve what we get.
Omnes Omnibus
@Joel: So does Cole. So do I. It was a neo-Nazi thing, but a number Jewish tweeters adopted it and a fuck you and bunches of others adopted it in solidarity.
Reggie Mantle
From the news out of the platform committee and the original post here, it looks like the ‘YOU GET NOTHING” crowd and the “OMG I HATE THESE FUCKING BERNIE KIDS SO MUCH” crowd (led by Cole) keep sliding further into the irrelevance they insist they already possess as Clinton acts like a grownup and refuses to dismiss over 12 million voters out of hand.
How does it feel to know your Queen doesn’t support your hate?
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: Too many vowels.
dogwood
@hovercraft:
You don’t have to trust Politico, just pay attention. Anyone who really listened and watched Bernie shouldn’t be surprised that he can be petty and vindictive. What do people think Cornell West is all about? Why does Bernie hold only large rallies, no small town halls or intimate round table discussions with voters? Because that would require listening.
redshirt
@Reggie Mantle: UNLIMITED DEMANDS!
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: The Queen thing again? Your lack of good faith is palpable. If we are irrelevant, why are people paying you to troll here?
hovercraft
@efgoldman:
As evidenced by the comment a couple above you, it’s 12 million strong. But seriously they just can’t believe she could of won fairly. I think that inspite of Bernie saying repeatedly that the path was narrow. many of his more passionate supporters ignored that and felt he would win. It was always plain that with almost no deviation (HI and AK ) demography was destiny, if the state was diverse Hillary won, if 90 % white Bernie won. So despite the happy talk about intensive campaigning moving the numbers it never happened. She won the mail in vote by a huge margin. Game set match,
dogwood
@efgoldman:
Now, that Bernie’s 12 million voters control the platform committee, do you think we’ll all have to join the NRA and stock up on guns?
hovercraft
@Omnes Omnibus:
Funny how we are being told that we have to listen to the ‘will of those 12 million people’, they don’t have to listen to the will of the 15.5 million votes she got. My voice matters too.
dogwood
@hovercraft:
It might be 12 million strong, but 57% of them self identify as moderates. Do those voters get to make demands too?
burnspbesq
@hovercraft:
Yeah, I saw the thing about that upcoming circle-jerk in Chicago on FB. I almost commented to the effect that there’s a meeting coming up where they can make a difference, called the Democratic National Convention, but I’m tired of speaking truth to people who are determined to run away from it.
Major Major Major Major
@hovercraft:
Pff. As if. You’re probably female, over 35, or a minority.
burnspbesq
What is Sanders going to say to his supporters? “Ignore everything I’ve said for the last year–I was drunk?”
patroclus
@hovercraft: Demography is usually destiny, but candidates can at least attempt to alter that. Sanders could have tried to make himself more appealing to Latinos or African Americans by tailoring his message, by including agenda items like immigration and gun control in his stump speech, by pointedly appearing in other communities than college campuses and white-majority enclaves or running targeted ads or by endorsing local politicians with local appeal. But he never really did much of that – it was always the same message, the same type of venues, the same ads. So he didn’t really broaden his appeal.
But hopefully, these initial opening moves will bear fruit quickly in the unification game. We need as many as possible Bernie supporters to come aboard soon and we need their passion and their energy. We need to blow Trump out and win big down ballot throughout the country and Bernie supporters can really help with that. Hopefully, Hillary WILL broaden her appeal in ways that Obama did and Sanders did not.
Omnes Omnibus
@hovercraft: No, it does not, you impure harlot. Know your place. Purify yourself in the waters of Lake Champlain
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@hovercraft: In a previous thread a comment was made that Hillary didn’t get 3 million more votes and that there was a “plethora” of voting irregularities.
burnspbesq
I wonder whether any platform that Cornel West has a hand in drafting can be as coherent as the Texas Republican platform …
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m sure you meant Lake Bomoseen. Champlain is impure, because it touches New York State, home of the Whore of Chappaqua.
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
Black, 47, and female.
Sorry I forgot my place.
Reggie Mantle
@Omnes Omnibus:
LOL. It’s you people that alternately claim (1) this is just a mid level blog, our shitty behavior isn’t going to turn anyone off of voting for Hillary and (2) this blog is so important that the RNC has targeted it to be invaded by paid Trump trolls.
So fun to watch you tie yourselves in knots.
redshirt
@burnspbesq: The Texas platform is probably completely coherent if you are already insane or brain damaged. Or a Texan Republican.
redshirt
@Reggie Mantle: “you people” is a phrase that consistently wins friends.
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: I am just responding to your comments. Honestly, I think this blog is a poor investment for the RNC, but then Republicans just chose Donald Trump as their candidate. They are dumb enough to do anything. Dumb enough even to pay you to troll a Single A blog like this one.
dogwood
@burnspbesq:
There’s something kinda sad about this. You make progress in this country by controlling the real levers of power – the White House, the Courts, Congress and state government. Hundreds of millions spent so Bernie can demand the head of DWS and put the likes of Cornell West on the platform committee. How small-ball is that? And what a waste of time, energy and money.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: Single A might be too generous. Cape Cod League more like it.
hovercraft
@patroclus: @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:
Yes getting more people to vote for you seems irregular to the person you beat. But that’s the whole point, one of the few times that I saw Sanders in a black church I remember one of the pundits remarking about how uncomfortable he looked, and how most of the people ignored him and ate their lunch.
I don’t know if more time would have made a difference, for all that they are criticized, the Clintons have spent decades building these relationships. Sanders needed to start a lot earlier than last year.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
There is no agreement not to call a presidential election before 8:01 Pacific time. Each state is called (if possible) as its votes are tallied – nut not until after each state’s polls close. Should someone surpass 270 electoral votes before the polls close in the Pacific zone, other states’ electoral outcomes ought to be kept secret and the running tally not be reported? News reports should suddenly go mum if it becomes clear that is happening?
You cannot be serious.
patroclus
I’m watching Joan Baez’s 75th Birthday celebration on PBS (a re-broadcast). She was probably for Sanders, but I still like her a lot. I wish I could feel the same about Susan Sarandon but I really don’t want to do the time warp ever again.
Reggie Mantle
@Omnes Omnibus:
ROTFL. Sure, cupcake. Whatever you say.
hovercraft
@dogwood:
This. Priorities people.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: I have delusions of fucking grandeur. Don’t mess with them. Jebus!
Suffragete City elftx
@Reggie Mantle:
Comments at USUncut on the book of faces is quite revealing. You know they may not be aware of the dangers of chemtrails..you should clue them in.
Reggie Mantle
@redshirt:
So are “BernieBro,” “Bernie Bot”, “Paid GOP troll”, etc. but did I just miss your disapproval of those?
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: Excuse me for only having the last sixteen years of presidential elections in my mind when I typed a comment about calling races.
patroclus
@Reggie Mantle: What do you think of Hillz’s chances in the fall? Do you think we can take the Senate or maybe the House?
SFAW
@Reggie Mantle:
Thanks for not doing anything that would require me to get the defibrillator sparked up.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Agree that “meese” is plural of moose. But “meeces” is the correct spelling for their three-orders-of-magnitude smaller cousins. (Yes, I know that “three orders of magnitude smaller” is not a proper use of the comparative, but I’m old, tired, and lazy.)
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: you have to count all of their pet birds.
redshirt
@SFAW: No one calls a multiple of moose “meeces”. They’re mooses.
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: There are Bernie supporters around here who I disagree with on the merits but have no issue with, OTOH, people who popped up for the first time around here after Clinton basically had the nomination in hand and started demanding genuflections from long time Dems… Fuck them. Figure out into which category you fit.
Reggie Mantle
@patroclus:
I think Hillary and the Democrats in general have an excellent chance to take both the White House and the Senate–so long as they don’t adopt the attitude of the lemmings here who’d rather go over the cliff than see their Queen offer Bernie Sanders or his supporters anything. I think there are people here, and I’m looking at YOU, John Cole, who would literally rather lose to Trump than see Bernie Sanders or his supporters get so much as a plank in the platform.
The hate runs that deep, See Cole’s recent front page post.See also the people who demand that you vote for Trump, Stein, etc. if you don’t “whole heartedly” support Hillary.
The House? Thanks to gerrymandering, that’s a tougher nut to crack. But it can be done, if these “real Democrats” don’t piss it away.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
There is nothing to excuse, nor any opprobrium. Quote simply, there is no such “gentleman’s agreement” as you posit.
nastybrutishntall
@Reggie Mantle: I don’t know — how does it feel to be wasting so much of your own time being an ineffectual ratfucker? It’s gotta get tiring to your mom.
SFAW
@redshirt:
Gah, being in the frozen north has messed with your mind.
“Meeces” is plural of mouse.
“Meese” is plural of moose.
“Meeses” (note the spelling) is for more meese than has been seen on the Kancamagus (or “Kangamangus,” as the Massholes call it) since before teh Old Man in the Mountain first appeared.
You kids, I swear.
hovercraft
@patroclus:
I think the senate is 75/25, the house 20/80.
But we should og all in on Issa’s challenger.
redshirt
@efgoldman: True, but it’s below A ball, at least according to the MLB.
Major Major Major Major
@NotMax: But there is for states before states close. I guess I forgot that presidential elections can happen without California.
gwangung
@Reggie Mantle: Well, that’s because you take it personally, unlike other Sanders supporters.
Though that’s to be expected…it IS all about you around here.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
His primary — perhaps only — purpose here is to try to pick fights with Balloon Juice commenters. And see how many times he can say “YOU FUCKING SUCK ” to the people here. OK, his two chief purposes. Plus his fanatical devotion to the Pope. OK, amongst his purposes here …
redshirt
Poor Bob.
SFAW
@redshirt:
???? Did Putin die or something? Or are you talking about a different Bob?
dogwood
@Reggie Mantle:
I don’t give a damn what concessions Hillary, Obama et al offer to Sanders as long as Bernie agrees to behave decently. What I won’t support is allowing Bernie to go after individuals in the party, be they Barney Frank, Malloy, or DWS. That’s just petty, personal, vindictive bullshit.
patroclus
@Reggie Mantle: Don’t believe everything Cole writes – he often trolls his own blog just to get lots of responses.:-) And he’s discovered that with the snarling band of jackals that we all are, he often gets good click bait by deliberately igniting a good Clinton-Sanders blogfight.
Good to see you’re on board! If Bernie’s supporters are with us – we’re gonna win huge!
redshirt
@SFAW: With Sanders’ defeat he’s that less likely to see a Communist President in his lifetime. :(
Dennis
Maybe this will end all the Balloon Juice posts speculating about all the horrible things Bernie was going to do, and then condemning him for them.
redshirt
@Dennis: Sad.
Omnes Omnibus
@patroclus: The dude is not remotely on board. He is either a hardcore Bernie dead-ender or a GOP troll pretending to be a Bernie guy. I say the latter.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: He says he’s voting Clinton. That’s all I care.
PatrickG
@SFAW:
I’ve always used “moosen”, myself.
Tripod
The difference between 2008 & 2016? Basically it comes down to gender. I never worried that the crazy bitter end PUMAs would do anything violently stupid. I came across this crazy shit today. Sanders run has been much more testosterone fueled, and if he doesn’t stomp it down hard, some loon is going to pick up a piece and do something tragic.
different-church-lady
@Reggie Mantle:
It feels really really good to know she doesn’t have to concern herself with petty things, like the deluded, resentful natterings of internet trolls, that’s for certain.
Chris T.
@efgoldman: Welsh is similar, but with more “ll”s and “w”s, so it would be “gaesllwyllywhlwyting”, or something like that.
Chris T.
@PatrickG: Or maybe “moose” is already plural, and the singular is “møøse”, as in “a møøse once bit my sister”…
J R in WV
@Mnemosyne:
Racist Georgia Redneck Bastards are the only people on earth who would run their truck at a old woman using a walker, except for all the other Racist Redneck Bastards all over the world.
Hope he learns that even in Georgia that kind of shit will get you 5 to 10 in the state pen as well as a felony record that will keep him from ever handling a firearm again in his whole life.
What a fucking piece of crap!
2liberal
@Matt McIrvin: RE: computer mouses
The online Oxford Dictionaries entry for mouse states the plural for the small rodent is mice, while the plural for the small computer connected device is either mice or mouses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse
(naming section)