We need an open thread to serve as a refuge from the tire fire I created below.
Sorry, I’m human. I just exposed myself to a lot of whining this morning and lost it. I’ll be better soon.
Open Thread
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schrodinger's cat
Who is this hirsute specimen?
JPL
lol
chopper
you think whining pisses you off, try having kids.
chopper
@schrodinger’s cat:
i think he may be a reTAHRD.
Applejinx
Don’t worry about it, John. It’s been a long hard race.
The General will be more fun. In the ‘be part of a massive horde charging at Trump and all the assholes that need to be swept out of our government’ sense. I’m looking forward to that part. I want a goddamn landslide obliterating whatever hapless Republican runs.
schrodinger's cat
@chopper: You mean, Rolling Along, Ramping up or whatever he is calling himself today.
Uncle Ebeneezer
Probably would go better in the recipe threads but I’ll ask it here: does anyone have a good suggestion/experience with a particular app for managing your fridge/pantry and planning meals?
Trying to be better about budgeting and we waste alot on unused/eaten food and buying stuff twice because we don’t realize we already had them etc. Also, any suggestions for how to cut down on grocery expenses for a couple that loves meat. Not that we can’t cut back, but alot of the easiest ways to lower grocery expenses involve beans, lentils, tons of veggies. The first two I’m just not that big on (though it depends on the beans.) I’ll probably start using more tofu for stir fry since I do like tofu. Also just suggestions in general for how others out there plan their meals/groceries. Do you have a list of meals that you rotate? Do you do it based on seasonal availability etc.?
Bill
I suggest we take a few minutes to relish the fact that our party has successively nominated the first African American and Woman for the highest executive office in the land. We elected the first twice, and we are about the elect the later.
Forgive my 80’s lingo, but that’s just gnarly.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
Just collected a message from a woman who remembered us as going to high school together. Actually, we were in some youth group together, as I went to an all male Catholic high school.
That was probably 40 years ago.
Nice to know I made an impression of some sort, for her to recognize my name and seek me out to pay me money.
Also, an old girlfriend from about 5 years after that is seeking me out for legal help for her son. Thing is, I don’t remember having been very nice toward the end of things. When we’re young men, we’re frequently stupid, and I feel kind of bad about that now.
schrodinger's cat
@chopper: I tried to answer but I named our resident R-troll and poof my comment disappeared into ether.
Gin & Tonic
@efgoldman: Shame I have to be out of town. Break a leg.
Xboxershorts
@John Cole:
Brought a smile to my face with that one
Trollhattan
R.I.P. Theresa Saldana.
Yutsano
@Trollhattan: Fuck this year.
And I am now terrified for losing June Foray.
Keith G
@Uncle Ebeneezer: I tried apps, but none did the simple thing I wanted. Plus ya gotta open it. I found that simplicity and immediate visual access were my friends.
My refrig is at the end of a counter, so I have half of one of it’s sides to put to use:
Color-coded post it notes. Meat, Veg, Fruit, Dairy, Leftovers, etc. When I use the green beans, I put the post it note on the inside of the nearest cupboard drawer for later reuse. A small white dry erase board on the fridge is used to list freezer items.
I do use my nearest grocer’s app for shopping lists.
Trollhattan
@Yutsano:
Hokie smokes! For old times.
Iowa Old Lady
@Uncle Ebeneezer: I shop once a week. Before I go, I make a list. In the upper right hand corner, I list the meals we’ll have this week. Then I check to see if we have what we need to make them and write my list from that. I also keep a sticky note on my refrigerator door where we write staples we’re low on like dishwasher soap, eggs, or sugar.
If I’m making something big like stew, we have it twice in that week and then immediately freeze the leftovers in individual sized containers to come out some night when I don’t want to cook.
We throw out almost nothing.
Seanly
What the fugg was wrong with your last post? My only quibble would be that the whole “teh kidz hateses Hitlery” seems to be one of those media creations. Not everyone under 30 is a trilby wearing douchebag.
Otherwise your piece is up there with Tbogg’s 2008 piece “Your Mumia Sweatshirt Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore”
Spot on about the House Hunters, btw.
Marc McKenzie
You’ve got nothing to apologize for, John.
Frankly, since this is your site, you had every right to be as bluntly honest as possible. And if it hurts some other people’s fee-fees, too bad.
Think of it this way–the current Democratic Party nominee has had much, much worse shit thrown her way for over 25 years. A lot of it came from the Right/GOP, but some has also come from the Left, especially during this campaign season.
This is no time for some on our side to be off diddling themselves in a corner because their candidate didn’t win, especially with so much at stake in November and with such a batshit crazy GOP candidate like Trump running.
germy
@Yutsano:
Mel Blanc was the male June Foray.
She was a big part of my childhood. I heard all her voices without ever seeing her. When I grew old I became a fan of old radio shows, and heard her on the Jimmy Durante Show.
She appeared (well, her voice did) on Family Guy doing a parody of Rocky. I’ve always loved her.
Matt McIrvin
@Seanly: It was probably generationally mistargeted.
gene108
I live near Philadelphia. Can anybody tell WTF happened to the weather today?
We had some storms (I’m not quite calling them thunderstorms, as I didn’t notice any thunder or lightning, but very similar) roll through for about a half hour to 45 minutes around noon.
Then it got cold, like below 60 degrees and windy. Now the temp’s climbed back up to the mid-60’s.
I’m so sick of the weather this year.
All I want is predictable weather.
January is cold, February is cold, March is warmer, April is warmer, May is warm to hot, June, July and August are hot, September is hot to warmer, October is warmer to chilly, November is chilly to cold and December is cold.
I’m not asking for a lot, like not having to take out a windbreaker in June, because it’s cold outside.
I shouldn’t have to look at what to wear from June-August. It should be sufficiently hot enough that I (a) do not think about needing a jacket, (2) unless going to the office, shorts and a t-shirt are sufficient to deal with the outside temperature.
Aaaargggghhhhh…honestly that’s how the weather makes me feel…
Matt McIrvin
@efgoldman: I’ve seen you there on the mic before! Sadly, this year my wife’s band is not playing the Festival, but it’s always a great show.
Tom Levenson
@efgoldman: Gonna try. See if the not too gregarious 16 y.o. might be coaxed away from Hearts of Iron 4
germy
What do you all think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kaine as a potential running mate for Hillary Clinton?
germy
@gene108:
I really think those days are over.
I’ve noticed some scary things (damaging winds, flooding, drought, excessive snow) in my neck of the woods. Extreme weather is the new normal.
Mike in NC
Zach came out with a TV show called “Baskets” not long ago, and it was pretty weird stuff. We gave up watching after three tries.
PhoenixRising
My 16yo did GOTV and then another day went to the campaign office and learned to do the boring scut work of actually winning a contested campaign (data entry).
There was a cute boy there every time she went, who is starting college in the fall, who is on the front page of our city’s paper this morning because his moms let him get his license and drive himself to the party at campaign HQ.
Some of the kids are all right.
rikyrah
First of all, that previous post was a thing of beauty.
but, animal pictures are always accepted as part of an apology.
El Caganer
@gene108: Have lived in Philly for nearly 50 years; mid-Atlantic weather is always kind of squirrelly, but the last couple have really demonstrated the effects of climate change (if you believe in that sort of thing). Yes, it was exceptionally cold for June today, considering that we had a day in (I think) February in which it hit 80. Will be moving to Florida in a couple of months to spend my last act frying to a crisp. In a good way, though.
Trollhattan
@gene108:
Our May-October is quite predictable.
Clear and sunny?
-Yes.
Temperature?
-Kinda hot
-Yep, hot
-OMFG I’m gonna die*
*You’re in luck then, because this heat will literally kill you given a chance.
Weather diversity is a mixed bag, but monotony has its limits, too.
WaterGirl
@germy: ugh. Brings nothing.
Yutsano
@germy:
Said by none other than Mel himself. She’s been a respected name in the VA community for decades. She probably has one of the longest careers in Hollywood (and is still working to this day!) and at last reports still going strong. But HOLY FUCK do I not trust this year.
@efgoldman:
Funny. Several friend of mine from the Bay State have said the same thing. Of course she’s been in California forever.
Trollhattan
@PhoenixRising:
Loads of kids, from newly minted voters age to quite young, at Hillary’s rally and not only girls. I’m not worried in the slightest about her ability to gain their votes, I just want them TO vote.
germy
@WaterGirl: I don’t know much about him other than my wikipedia scan. Who would you like to see as her running mate?
gogol's wife
@Yutsano:
Is she ill or something?
I adore June Foray. But I have to admit, I didn’t know she was still with us.
WaterGirl
@germy: I would love to see sherrid brown. I know the risks with Ohio, but he’s a genuine progressive and , most of all, I trust him to be every bit as honest and thoughtful as president obama. That’s very appealing.
Writing from the train, sorry about typos.
gogol's wife
I know, I know, we need Warren in the Senate, but I would really kvell if she were the VP candidate.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@efgoldman: Clearly we are sharing our shopping strategies!
I just did an inventory and found that we have SIX mustards!
gogol's wife
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Start with a pad of paper and a pen or pencil.
Jeffro
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Here’s a few suggestions that have helped the Jeffro household out:
1) Get your cooking basics – oil, spices, staple foods – stocked
2) Get a good sense of your usual weekly must-haves (coffee, milk, bread, eggs, lunchmeat, etc)
3) Get or make an all-encompassing shopping checklist together (that includes the cooking basics and must-haves as well as all the other things you might conceivably buy to whip something interesting up for dinner), organized by grocery store section (produce, meat, dry goods, dairy, etc) – HOLD ON TO THIS
4) Make sure you’ve checked all your must-haves (and any basics that need restocking) on the checklist
5) Before you go grocery shopping, take a look at the week ahead and see about how many dinners you’ll be making at home, plus any special events or things you need to whip up for friends/neighbors/your kid’s school party
6) Get out your clipped-recipe file and/or cookbooks and find stuff that’ll take care of those dinners…
7) …and note the ingredients you’ll need for them on your nice new all-encompassing checklist.
8) Take checklist to grocery store and voila: you’ll have everything you need for the week, and hardly anything extra. VERY useful for keeping to a budget, for not wasting food, and for passing on the sugary/fatty stuff (if you don’t ‘check’ that box on your checklist!)
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Iowa Old Lady: That’s similar to the system I used for a bit: a dry erase board on the fridge with a list of meats/dairy/fruits/veggies and estimated Good Until dates. Problem is that I quickly fall out of the habit of updating it and next thing you know it’s completely inaccurate. That’s why I was thinking of something that might be easier and could even suggest meals I can make with the stuff that I have. Honestly, I’ll probably just end up doing the same system (with a spreadsheet perhaps of condiments/spices) and just eyeballing it and asking “what can I make with this stuff?”
joel hanes
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
any suggestions for how to cut down on grocery expenses for a couple that loves meat.
Never buy deli-sliced meats.
Never buy convenience-packaged meats.
Buy and prepare large, and freeze.
A frozen 20-lb turkey at Thanksgiving prices is a steal. Buy two or more;
roast and carve the extras, and freeze the meat in good freezer bags.
Or stew in minimal water and freeze in meal-sized containers.
Same for whole chickens anytime they’re below $1/lb.
Whole boneless pork loins on special are another steal.
Choose some nice pork chips, then make a huge vat of chili verde,
or just pork loin stewed in its own gravy, and freeze.
Cook a whole ham at Easter …
You get the idea. Whatever meat is seasonally inexpensive,
buy the giant economy package, maybe buy double or triple,
do the basic cooking,
freeze the excess.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: PS I don’t know how I’d post it here, but if I could show you guys the checklist (per #3) me and Mrs. Jeffro have had for oh 15+ years now, you’d see what I meant – our friends and family make fun at first, but eventually they come around and ask for the template. Most have made copies of it for years now. Now that I’m doing more Asian cuisine these days it has gotten even handier, to cover all the additional herbs and sauces.
Gin & Tonic
@Uncle Ebeneezer: Send one to Cole.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Jeffro: Thanks that’s a great approach. I had been doing something similar using a Note on my phone for a shopping list. The trick is balancing my love for spontaneous cooking “ooh I wanna make this TONIGHT” with the need to plan and shop with an eye for minimizing $. Buying certain things only when they’re on sale. That sorta thing.
goblue72
Basically, you were a dead wrong right winger for many years, but now you’ve “converted” and are totally correct in everything. Just like when you were a right winger totally sure your were totally correct in everything. Funny how that works. Its like, David Brock was a total sleaze ball when he was trashing Anita Hill, but now that he’s on “our” side, he’s like, totally cool.
As for the “kids these days” – dude, seriously? Get a grip. Those “kids” are entering – or in – their early 30s. They’ve graduated college – and even grad school. Have jobs. Getting married. Starting families. Fretting about how the heck are they gonna afford to buy a house, let alone pay for their retirement. Their opinions are just as worthwhile as those of the Boomer Brigades, who frankly had it a LOT easier. They are the ones who have to actually deal with consequences of the crap sandwich the prior generations are handing them and will left cleaning up the mess.
Geoduck
@Yutsano: I’m sorry, but this whole “2016 is killing all the celebrities!!” thing sets my teeth on edge. It’s not the year. It’s just that the celebrities you know best are all getting old.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Oh yes, I saw that the other day — my Met Opera discussion group on FB lit up with the news instantly. A big loss to the music world. I never met her, but by all accounts she was a wonderful down-to-earth person. Since you and mrs. efg both knew her personally, I am especially sorry for the loss of your friend.
P.S. I’ve been around, but generally at odd times. And I’ve been commenting very little, either because my thoughts (such as they are) are hours out of date by the time I get around to them, or trolls have taken over the thread, or my own commentary simply seems fatuous so I delete without sending. But I do try, sooner or later, to read my way through just about every thread.
Lynn Dee
@schrodinger’s cat: Looks like Zack Galifianakis.
sinnedbackwards
Democrats: Glass-Steagall, NWA, Small Business Administration, Social Security, Lend-lease, FHA, GI Bill for education, Marshall Plan to rebuild allies, Interstate Highway System, Man-on-the-Moon, Medicare, Civil Rights Act, DOT, DOE, Schip, Lily Ledbetter, Minimum wages, Dodd-Frank, Credit Card reform, ACA. Just higlights here. John, you done good.
Repubs outright opposed most on that list.
For EIGHTY years the repubs have been the party supporting oligarchy and opposing progress for the rest of us (well, before that too).
Too bad hardly anybody teaches the younguns history anymore…. there would be no more contested elections.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@joel hanes: That’s a great idea. I have an obsession with stir fry and particularly Vietnamese cuisine. I could probably buy larger cuts of pork and beef and trim them myself and have a stash in the freezer to save alot of $ (and trips to store.) Our freezer is not huge and one of the challenges will be getting away from frozen packaged foods, but that’s something we need to do anyways.
SiubhanDuinne
@Yutsano:
Love June Foray. At 98, she has certainly had a very good run, but if she is ailing (which your comment implies, although at a quick skim I don’t see any news stories about her health) then I hope her journey is peaceful and comfortable.
Chyron HR
@goblue72:
If Bernie comes out of his meeting with Obama tomorrow, walks in front of the nearest camera and tells his followers to kill the bitch who stole the nomination from him, what caliber bullet would you use?
Snarki, child of Loki
@gene108:
I think I see your problem. You’re on the wrong coast, for one.
chopper
@joel hanes:
oh yeah. right around xgiving last year the safeway was giving away <20lb turkeys if you spent like 100 bucks or something. i found one that was 19.9 lbs and stuck it in the chest freezer. recently used it to make a shit-ton of stock and turkey meat that lasted weeks.
shoulda got two but i didn't have room.
jl
Cole has certain talents. I hope that what is left of the GOP after this election hires him for their next ‘outreach campaign’. It’ll be great and a thing of beauty.
chopper
@goblue72:
that’s my problem with liz warren. i’m all oh, you were a republican forever and now you’re a democrat, why the hell should i listen to you? if you’re trying to impress me you’ve failed.
Mnemosyne
I know we have a few filmmakers here, and I just found out that Ava DuVernay has had a film distribution collective since 2010. Currently, it’s called ARRAY and supports both directors of color and women directors.
She apparently has a relationship with Netflix and they are distributing many of the films. Definitely worth checking out if you’re an indie filmmaker.
amygdala
@Uncle Ebeneezer: Can’t remember where it was, but I read somewhere to think about meat as a condiment, rather than a main ingredient. A stir-fry dish can make 4-6 ounces of meat and a pile of veggies easily feed a half-dozen people. Same with soup, pasta sauce, or stews. After awhile, you don’t miss that big hunk of meat and it can become a fun culinary challenge to make tasty dishes without it. I’m about to make a batch of groundnut stew with (forgive me, anyone who hails from West Africa) tofu. It’s great that it’s vegan, but even more important that it’s delicious.
I tend to shop seasonally, since there’s a farmers market a couple blocks away every week. It’s easier to improvise once you’ve been cooking long enough to be comfortable with swapping out ingredients.
Another useful approach is to think in terms of strategies rather than specific recipes. Soup is often sauteing aromatics (garlic, onion/leek, garlic, etc. singly or in combination) then adding vegetables, protein, water or stock, and whatever spices seem tasty. It can be tomatoey or creamy or just brothy. Stir-fries also work well with that kind of procedure-based approach.
I make big batches and freeze single servings. Nice to have quick dinner available when you get home late and too tired or cranky to cook, and by the end of the month there’s often enough stuff in the freezer to not have to cook that week.
Reggie Mantle
@goblue72:
But he kept the right wing attitude of “fuck you, we won, sit down and shut up.” How’d that work out for them?
amygdala
@germy: Not feeling it. I think I’ve found the perfect running mate for the Donald, though: John Boehner. The “nothing rhymes with orange” ticket. Or the Tang, tanning bed, or wrecking my skin ticket.
quakerinabasement
I enjoy a rousing tire fire. No refuge required.
germy
Anyone feeling frisky?
PurpleGirl
This is a cat bleg… Skye is a formerly feral cat being cared for by Shelly (TinyKittens) in Langley, BC. Shelly has a project researching ways to provide care to community cats with a feeding station and a shelter in a forest area. She catches the ferals, spays or neuters them and returns them to the forest. When she gets a preggers feral, she takes the momcat into care to let the moms have their kittens in safety. The momcat is then spayed and returned to the forest at some point in time and the kittens are cared for, socialized and themselves spayed/neutered.
Well, Skye is also partially blind due to a viral infection. With medicine the condition has been stablized. The kittens had to taken by c-section because they were too healthy and well nourished to be born naturally. (Skye has a very narrow birth canal.) Skye was coming along nicely being socialized because with the eye problems she was going to be put up for adoption instead of returned to the forest.
That is until last night. Something happened over night that threw a blood clot into her heart and she’s now in critical condition in the Vet ER. They are waiting for her to become stable so they can do an EKG. I’m asking the BJ community to send prayers and good thoughts her way and to Shelly Roach. You can see Skye’s kittens and their cousins (another long story) at
http://livestream.com/tinykittens/savina
Note: Savina is another feral who had a couple of kittens and has already been returned to the forest. The lady (who might still be) sitting there and playing with the kittens is Suzanne, one of Shelly’s volunteer helpers.
Skye has a very sweet face and has become a very good momcat. We (the cam watchers) are really hurting for her and Shelly.
SFAW
@chopper:
No shit. And people seem to forget that Hitlary was a Goldwater Girl — why should we believe there’s any difference between her and Trump?
Elie
@Bill:
Here Here!!!! YES we can! Yes we DID!
Reggie Mantle
@Chyron HR:
Doesn’t matter if Bernie says that or not, Chyron will lie and say that he did. He has a history of that.
germy
@efgoldman:
SFAW
@Reggie Mantle:
Because I know your time is valuable:
Instead of trying to craft an original response/comment every time you’re here, perhaps if you just had the equivalent of a macro which, after hitting the correct key combination, writes “Fuck all of you, you all fucking suck, and all 50 Million Bernie voters will vote for Trump or stay home because you’re all assholes!”
That way, you’ll have oodles of extra time to work the ‘phones for
Trump’sBernie’s campaign. Yeah, I realize that you sometimes step out of character, and actually write something NOT designed to pick a fight. But those times are so few that it’s a wash.You should consider it. Just trying to be helpful.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@amygdala: Very true. I’ve been learning that with stir fry most of the flavor comes from the lemongrass, ginger, fish sauce, peppers, garlic etc., so you can definitely do it with little/no/substitute for the meat. Plus with my burners I can’t get the wok to super-high heat anyways, so meatless would actually make the job a bit easier.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
El Caganer
@amygdala: Why not this guy? http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/05/transhumanist_candidate_zoltan.html
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Dammit, I’m going to be away. I don’t normally make plans to drive into Boston, but this would be worth it. (Being serious, not snarky.)
I hope you have a great time — sounds like you usually do — and best wishes to Mrs. efg.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
reminds me of a lying sack of shit commenter here who made some bullshit accusations about the commentariat and supporting the iraq war.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@John Cole
No worries, big guy! It’s hard to control your feelings when you get sober. Giving in to Anger is easy to do because it feels soooo fucking good.
Just remember:
All us young people you continue to pour gasoline on and burn while giggling and laughing…we will be in charge soon. 10 years isn’t such a long time after all.
So get your sore, whining, winner take all attitude on as long as you can!
SiubhanDuinne
I’ve been thinking about Hillary’s inauguration, and it occurred to me that it would be a really powerful symbol if she were sworn in by Sandra Day O’Connor. The first woman to serve on the Supreme Court of the United States administering the Oath of Office to the first woman to serve as President of the United States. The visual would be memorable, and the mysogynist exploding heads would be added value. (This has absolutely nothing to do with Justice O’Connor’s political or judicial views; it has everything to do with her place, and Hillary’s place, in history.) What do y’all think?
amygdala
@El Caganer: When did the Onion launch a spoof site called the Oregonian?! That’s awesome. Thanks for the link!
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Nice.
Before that comment, I thought you were just kinda clueless and suffering from logorrhea. But I see you’ve decided to add “being a dick” to your resume. I’m sure the Bernie/Trump/Stein/Johnson campaign will appreciate having you on board.
Reggie Mantle
@chopper:
Said it before, and I’ll say it again. Real. Slow. So. You. Can. Get. It.
When. You. Shout. Down. Anyone. Who. Brings. Up. Hillary. Clinton’s. Vote. For. The. Iraq. War. You’re. Expressing. Support. For. That. Vote. And. That. War.
I’ve answered this question over and over and you keep bringing it up. Which is the mark of trolling, actually. So maybe YOU’re the troll.
Iowa Old Lady
@SFAW: Because you’re conscious and see and hear them?
Tom Levenson
@gogol’s wife: Keep your hands of my senior senator*
*It still makes me giggle to think that John Kerry spent his entire career as Ted Kennedy’s junior, up until 2009. Three years later, Elizabeth Warren gets elected and in a very few months, she’s the senior, and will be as long as she wants to be.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
You might be right. I was never that good at math, either, which is why I became a injineer.
@efgoldman:
Why did you bother responding? You KNOW my politics. Or should know, I thought it’s been pretty obvious.
Major Major Major Major
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Wow, that’s two making-fun-of-sobriety jokes so far that I’ve seen from you today. Classy.
chopper
@SFAW:
well, jonnie here worked on the bernie campaign apparently. so i guess the ‘being a dick’ thing makes sense, as that’s the directive that came down from bernie himself.
Major Major Major Major
I, for one, am listening to some funk and getting some writing in. Made some iced tea.
Got a new box for the catBought some shoes.Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Major Major Major Major:
What can I say? Cole just brings out the classy in me today!
SFAW
@chopper:
Fixed
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
I think it’s supposed to be a current judge. If that’s the case, I would LOVE for it to be Sonia Sotomayor. First Latina judge swearing in the first female president? Yes please!
raven
@Major Major Major Major: “Making-fun-of-sobriety jokes” don’t mean shit, especially from some fucking asshole.
SFAW
@Iowa Old Lady:
Well, outside of that, I mean. Because who am I going to believe — the oh-so-passionate and thus correct and perfect in every way Bernie-or-Bust-ers (all 50 Billion of them), or my lying eyes/ears?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@chopper:
Nah, I’d say it’s just a reaction to being called a dick.
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: No thanks, she is one of the justices responsible for awarding the election to W and what Mnem said. Although, RBG is my choice.
EriktheRed
So apparently Combover Caligula has already started his general election pivot with a toned-down speech last night which touched on just about every wingnut talking point against Sec. Clinton without mentioning once the case against Trump U. or the judge he’s been bashing.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Livin’ large, ba-bee!
Major Major Major Major
@raven: Def.
Just figured I’d mention it. Maybe he could move on to making fun of depression or anxiety next!
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
you can say it as slow as you want, it’s still complete horseshit. it’s made up out of whole cloth. it’s like saying hey, i haven’t heard you condemn child abuse recently, so you must be cool with child abuse.
the reason people give people like you shit about clinton’s iraq war vote is that for some reason it’s only a huge sticking point when it comes to hillary as opposed to the dudes on the last three democratic presidential tickets. either that or you haven’t voted democrat in almost 16 years in which case fuck you.
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
You act like a dick, you get called on it. What’s the problem? I mean, other than you being a dick.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@SFAW:
Coles the one being a whiny dick. Don’t take it out on me when I try to give him some advice.
raven
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Fuck you schmuck.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@SFAW:
How am I being a dick exactly?
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: Exactly. No way that lasts.
rikyrah
@Iowa Old Lady:
You are my shopping hero?
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Oh, is that the new party line for dickishness? “Hey, what’s the problem, I’m just giving advice!” Keep telling yourself that. It’s your cluelessness that endears you to everyone here. Wait, did I write “everyone”? Sorry, I meant “practically no one.”
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@raven:
Lol. So instead of talking about the youth, which Cole so confidantly chides, I get nothing except you’re a dick and fuck you.
Remind me again why I should vote for your candidate? I called her a neoliberal, warmongering elitist.
The young progressives will continue to call out the DNC on its hypocritical bullshit. I’m sorry to burst your bubble.
Trollhattan
In case anybody doesn’t have their fill of BernButthurt syndrome, here’s the pure distilled product, op-ed and comments alike. Like some kind of mass hypnotism occurred or something.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Think I’d rather watch Roberts squirm.
And also not give the RWNJs additional ammo (blank ammo, but when has that ever stopped them?) to harp on for four years about how her presidency is somehow invalid from day one.
Maybe O’Connor could hold the copy of It Takes a Village HRC swears the oath upon. (I kid, I kid.)
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Sound familiar?
Spoken/written like a true asshole/dick.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@SFAW:
Umm, I’m fairly reasonable if you actually talk about the issues.
Let Cole respond.
He doesn’t need you as his attack dog.
Major Major Major Major
@Trollhattan: I hate nested comments. Half the time you have to scroll down beyond the “Load More Comments” button just to get off the first thread of three or four people back-and-forthing. So glad we don’t have them here.
Miss Bianca
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: You need to ask “how am I being a dick?”
Fine, Stultissime, we’ll spell it out for you. Whatever you think about John Cole’s opinions – and you are visiting his blog, as are we all, so you’re a guest, here, nu? – making “sobriety” jokes is a dick move.
Got it now? You’ve heard it from two or three people here, and you’re still playing dumb/innocent, so I don’t dare hope.
ETA: And as for “letting Cole respond”, I wish he would – because last time Cole responded to you, he said, as I recall, this: JESUS CHRIST IT’S LIKE TALKING TO A WALL. A WALL THAT TALKS BACK GIBBERISH. Priceless.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@SFAW:
Cole went on a “rant” for which he apologized. He was angry. These are facts.
Calling me a dick over and over again doesn’t make it so.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Yeah, it’s so weird that people would just start calling you a dick out of the blue when you were just acting like your natural self.
I’m guessing that happens to you a lot, actually.
Brachiator
@Geoduck:
It’s not quite that. I’ve said that “the rule of threes” is nonsense because it just means that a large group of people of a certain age may have heard about 3 of the many notable people who die each year. I used to read Variety and note the people who were no longer well known, but who were major stars of an earlier era.
But this year, for me, more people have died whose lives and work had great impact on my own life, in helping shape the way I looked at the world. For example, I was not the greatest David Bowie fan, but I was surprised at how many of his songs I knew. And then, one day, I realized that his songs had a direct impact on the way that I thought about and accepted gay people. And I could not begin to list all of the ways that the example of Muhammad Ali affected me throughout my life.
And I think that the Internets and over global media has given people a way to talk about notable people who have passed. Sometimes running across something from someone in another country who felt as you did about a notable person adds a certain resonance to your own remembrance of an important passing.
ETA: If not previously mentioned, I also note the passing of playwright Peter Shaffer, who wrote Equus, Amadeus, and The Royal Hunt of the Sun.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Sandra day o’connor forfeited the right to anything like that when she knew her vote on bush v. Gore was wrong and she did it anyway. It’s not about republican or democrat, it’s about honor and integrity, which her vote lacked.
NotMax
@EriktheRed
Exactly the same thing was said when he read a speech-like thing at the National Press Club a while back. Rest assured, he’ll return to (odious) form sooner rather than later.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne:
I can’t find that the Constituion says it must be a current judge (obligatory IANAL, and happy to be corrected by anyone who knows for sure), and actually I first thought of RBG, Sotomayor, and Kagan before it hit me that the first woman on the SC might be available and might be an even better choice. It’s premature anyhow, but might be something to consider.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Miss Bianca:
When Cole rants on a front page post specifically about people like me, then he can expect me to call him out.
And I wasn’t making a sobriety joke. I was serious. It was advice.
starscream
I can’t get over this 32 year-old guy who keeps calling himself young. It’s so fucking hilarious to me.
You’re not young. (I’m younger than you are, and I’m not young.) The college kids are not going to hang out with you because you’re a super woke Bernie Bro.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodinger’s cat:
As I said, this has nothing to do with her politics. I really want to avoid that discussion.
WaterGirl
@raven: it does one thing – it’s a clear easy sign that someone is a dick and all comments should be ignored in the future.
Gelfling545
@Trollhattan: I had the opportunity several years back to see her interact with kids at a school in my city. She is wonderful with kids. She listened when they talked and reacted to what they said – none of the generic “Hello there, young person, future of our country blah, blah” that kids are used to hearing from visiting big wigs.
BobbyMac
Meh. I voted for Sanders but sort of agreed with everything you said..at the very worst, it sounded like tough love. But I guess I never had the weird, pathological hatred for the Clintons that others seem to. I did want Clinton served a loud entreaty to not just flat out ignore the Left (with regard to Wall Street, etc) like her husband did, and it seems like she got the message well enough. So I’m feeling pretty good about it all. But, yeah, those drum circles..
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
You live IN FUCKING LOUISIANA. Vote for a fucking pelican. Strutting about your contribution to radical politics _in Louisiana_, a corrupt petro-state where none of the grand visionary schemes you would want to see will ever, ever, ever, ever come to pass, is the cheapest, easiest thing you could possibly do with yourself. At least with your zipper up.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@efgoldman:
Ummm, and I haven’t worked hard to get my candidate elected?
Yes, he lost. I’ve been saying that over and over again for quite a while now.
I’ll def help those down ballot progressives win however I can.
FlipYrWhig
@starscream: I take it you’ve also met “goblue72,” who’s 43 and believes quite confidently in being on the proper side of a stark generational divide?
Gelfling545
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: OOO. Someone missed his nap time today. Really, sit down and get a grip. You do your preferred candidate and his agenda a disservice.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@WaterGirl: I believe she was the one who actually asked the Court to intervene, no?
At any rate, no, she does NOT get to swear in Clinton. She is an awful jurist who has no business participating in the running of the nation.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
When informed of Harding’s death when vacationing in Vermont, Coolidge had his father, a notary public, administer the oath. When he returned to D.C., he repeated the ceremony* with a sitting Justice.
*A formality because regardless of any or even no administration of the oath, he became president automatically the moment after Harding expired.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
Yes!!! Now this is what I’m talking about, FYW!
LA is a corrupt cesspool. Our radical movements are small and there’s barely a left here. From my point of view, the dems are just as corrupt as the republicans here in New Orleans/LA.
However! Bernie was able to come down here and fire up those who wouldn’t ordinarily give a shit about politics. I hope Clinton can do the same this November.
FlipYrWhig
@Gelfling545: I dunno. Aggravating people, declaring them insufficiently liberal, aggrandizing oneself, wearing out one’s welcome, and refusing to leave seems fairly consonant with the Bernie Sanders agenda.
Miss Bianca
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Pro-tip, Stultissime: Walking back your “joke” by calling it “advice” ain’t going to cut it. Offering your opinion ain’t “advice” unless someone asks for it. As far as I can tell, no one’s asking you for diddly. Quite the reverse.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Gelfling545:
I’m fine, thanks for caring about my well being :)
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Like I said, it’s easy to style yourself a radical when there’s no risk you’ll ever have to do anything.
chopper
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
lol, don’t get passive-aggressive on us, son. if you’re gonna be a dick, sack up and admit it.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Miss Bianca:
It was advice. I wasn’t joking. I’m sorry, but you’re wrong, Mrs B!
Cheer up! Clinton won!
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@chopper:
No need to get sexist!
SiubhanDuinne
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
Not like HRC’s going to ask either of us for advice, let alone permission.
Major Major Major Major
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Man, you used to be not an ass. I mean, nobody’s personality changes that fast I suppose, so you either always were or else this is a particular fit of pique. Curious which.
Jeffro
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
I totally get it!
You can still do the spontaneous thing, just ‘bump’ one of your planned dinners to the following week.
And for buying things on sale, I hear you – I usually only do that for not-very-perishables (the dreaded middle aisles!) and for things I can freeze.
Btw (to all) on a food note, I had a great time this winter making big ol’ batches of soups, stews, and chilis then freezing the majority of it into portions, in re-used Chinese won-ton soup containers. They seal, they stack, they’re perfectly portioned. It was just awesome to make stuff that my family normally won’t touch and know that the leftover 6 of 8 portions weren’t going to go to waste.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
What? I’ve put way more on the line than you have. Radicals are the backbone of the Democratic Party that actually gets shit done.
Burnspbesq
@gene108:
Move to Galway, Ireland. There are only three possibilities: windy and cold, rainy and cold, and rainy windy and cold.
Or move to San Diego. They don’t even have weather. They have climate.
Miss Bianca
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Fine. Then let me offer you some “advice”: How about shutting your mouth until you can guarantee that something sensible comes out of it?
Now I know that you didn’t *ask* for that advice. You didn’t ask, “Gee Miss Bianca, everyone here seems to think I’m a dick. What can I do to change that?” But hey…I *care*, JHB.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Major Major Major Major:
Is talking about Sobriety off limits here?
Major Major Major Major
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
I don’t know FlipYrWhig, but I sincerely doubt that’s true.
Jeffro
@EriktheRed:
Yes…that is his only hope…keep smearing Secretary Clinton with right-wing boogeyman nonsense and hope that nobody notices his multiple very real scandals (as well as lack of policies, 24/7 Twitter habit, etc).
Fortunately, HRC’s got actual, thought-out, quite appealing policies to run on, as well as a lifetime of service and a reputation for toughness that even shakes Trump. So badly that he had to use a teleprompter last night, from what I hear.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Miss Bianca:
How about Clinton will win in November? Is that sensible enough for you?
Burnspbesq
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
A bit presumptuous of you, since you have no way of knowing the life histories of any of the commenters here.
C.S.
@Reggie Mantle: So, just wondering . . . does your willingness to (attempt to) shout down others in the course of expressing your support for Sanders also equate to wholehearted agreement with Sanders’ 2001 AUMF vote? His vote for the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998? What about his other votes to back the CIA’s plan to overthrow Saddam, starve Iraqi children, and bomb-bomb-bomb the people of Iraq? Or, if your proud heart is great enough to encompass more of the world than Iraq alone, do you also support the bombing in Kosovo? I haven’t heard you say different! And of course, I must also assume you are completely untroubled by Sanders unwillingness to condemn Israeli attacks on Palestinians, instead playing the “on the one hand . . . but on the other . . .” game like the seasoned political pro he is.
Like many adults, I’ve learned to take the good with the bad when it comes not just to politicians, but other people generally. Nobody here is unaware of Clinton’s Iraq War vote. We take the bad with the good. But in the binary world you appear to inhabit, any whiff of stink is cause to jettison the ship forever. So by your own Thoroughly. And. Carefully. Punctuated. Logic., I can only assume that you wholeheartedly support baby killing and unmitigated carpet bombing of foreign lands, at all times. What sort of monster are you?
Oh — and isn’t it time for you to register Green? Jill Stein is unsullied! I don’t think she’d appreciate you as a supporter, though, as she doesn’t seem to be much for those who support indiscriminate bombing of babies (because you do).
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Major Major Major Major:
I take it you disagree with his statements earlier? To say that I haven’t put up any risk for my beliefs is ludicrous.
The fact that we even talk about politics online shows that we all have skin in the game.
Trollhattan
@Major Major Major Major:
At the very least, anybody doing nested comments needs to have a chron-order toggle. It’s okay to skip them, once you’ve read seventeen folks write, “Trump may be bad, and he’s really bad, Billary is worser so I’ll vote for him unless Bernie goes third party” you get the gist. Also, too, “Process is corrupt, yo.” They’ve found one another.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Burnspbesq:
Funny that you and major jump my bones over this statement and yet I hear crickets about his earlier post that I’ve put absolutely no risk for my beliefs.
Major Major Major Major
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Forgive me for not reading all 41 posts from and about you in this thread before commenting, O stuff-risking one. Perhaps you could enlighten me about all the things you’ve potentially sacrificed.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@C.S.:
Here, I’ll say it, “Sanders sucks on foreign policy.” The point being that it’s not nearly as bad as Clintons actual policies as SoS where she’s antagonizing Russia, bombing Lybia, and fucking up Honduras.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Major Major Major Major:
Lol, I hope in the future to have achieved the level of snark that you exhibit.
“O stuff-risking one!” Lmao I wish I would’ve come up with this one!
Burnspbesq
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Flip’s not an ass. You are. He gets the benefit of the doubt. You don’t.
Understand now?
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: I can believe you have risked something for your _beliefs_. I find it hard to believe that your standing up for your beliefs has gotten shit done _for the Democratic Party_. I don’t recall the Democratic Party of Louisiana having been made into a bastion of progressivism. In fact what I recall of the Democratic Party of Louisiana is that its biggest success lately was to get a not-particularly left-of-center politician elected to nudge things in a good direction, as opposed to running a liberal Don Quixote who’d get blown out and leave tens of thousands of people without subsidized health insurance.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Good Talk, Becnel!
C.S.
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Wasn’t talking to you, dick.
phoebes from highland park
Cole, is that you in the pic? You’re pretty cute. And your rant from earlier was well-written and well-timed. I’m so damn sick of Bernie Sanders. I actually agree with some of the stuff he’s for, but I can’t stand him.
Like the message/hate the messenger.
Burnspbesq
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
The only person who fucked up Honduras was Zelaya. Stop with this shit.
Omnes Omnibus
@FlipYrWhig: Bad Flip, How dare you question JHB’s bona fides?
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Feel better now?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
Here here! The dems suck majorly around these parts. That’s why it was so exciting when Bernie came to town. To see so many people come out of the closet and participate in the process was very exciting. It’s def and uphill battle fighting against political apathy.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’d be lying if I said I didn’t!
Miss Bianca
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: It’s a start. At least it’s not horseshit.
chopper
@C.S.:
my god, the logic’s airtight all right!
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Uh, so, Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary in your state, 71%-23%. The arrival of Bernie Sanders on the scene seems to have been “very exciting” to a very small group of people. Which is the point. I’m not quite clear on what your accomplishment was.
El Caganer
Fuck this weaselly centrist Democrat bullshit! It’s time for a revolution! I’ve up-armored my computer, put on a ski mask, and I’m gonna make a comment on a blog!
Jonathan Holland Becnel
I’m sorry if you think Clinton had nothing to do with Homduras as SoS.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: A link to this purple prose?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
Well, with the grassroots that are organizing around here, I hope that we can throw the corrupt dems out and get some progressives in!
Miss Bianca
@El Caganer: OK, you got me. You got me *laughing*, you dastard!
FlipYrWhig
@Omnes Omnibus: Holy frijoles, that is one crazy essay. And, natch, it’s from Ben Norton at Salon.
ETA: Who appears to be a Greenwald/Snowden acolyte or at least enthusiast for same.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Omnes Omnibus:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillary-being-misleading-about-her-role-honduras-coup
Yutsano
@Jeffro: My go-to for this is Thai curry containers. They practically throw them at you, they’re dishwasher safe, reusable, and practical for so many things. Plus Thai curry!
Soylent Green
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Recently you informed us that Bernie is the future of the Democratic Party.
Great, he is welcome to be president eight years from now when he is 83. And suppose he got luckier and got elected this year. You brogressive clowns would refuse to support any Democrats running downticket who didn’t meet your purity test, thereby keeping the Congress in repub control. Sanders would get nothing done. One thing for sure is he would have none of Obama’s gifts for getting past obstructions.
Even if we regain at least the Senate this year, the Youths you think are the only voters who count would, as fucking usual, not bother to vote in the midterm election, handing Congress back to the Repubs on a platter. And you would all turn your backs on Bernie anyway when he couldn’t magically deliver any of the things on your wish list.
We don’t need your vote.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@germy:
Ehh, I don’t see it. He’s my senator, and I’m glad he is, but he’s a moderate to moderate-liberal. He’s a good fit for Virginia overall, and about as good a senator as we can hope to choose, but there are much better people to choose as vice president. To say nothing about how this opens up what would otherwise likely be as safe a seat as we’re going to get in Virginia…
Omnes Omnibus
@El Caganer: Well, sixty days ago
shehe was such a lovely child.Now here
shehe is with a gun inherhis hand.FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: As the saying goes, hope is not a plan.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
How about The Nation? Are they acceptable?
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-hillary-clinton-militarized-us-policy-in-honduras/
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Soylent Green:
If I said that, I apologize. I meant the issues that he has touched upon like 15$ minimum wage, Medicare for all, tuition free public college, breaking up the big banks, etc.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Cool story, bro. It’s not factual, but you’ve never shown any indication that facts matter to you, so why start now?
C.S.
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
This is rich. Bernie was responsible for bringing people into the process in Louisiana? Is that why fewer people turned out to vote in the Louisiana Democratic primary this year than they did in 2008? Did they “participate in the process” by staying home? Or was Sanders responsible for “exciting” people into voting over 3-1 for Clinton? That’s some excitement! The Bern — I feelz it!
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: I don’t quite understand how I’m supposed to reconcile “Clinton wanted to be too hands-on in [Middle Eastern state]” and “Clinton took too hands-off an approach to [Central American or South American state],” but that’s a lot of lefty critique for you–look for bad outcomes and rail at them for not being the opposite, adjusted daily.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Soylent Green:
Turnouts significantly higher in Presidential election years, so that’s good for democrats all around.
Yes, the youth know you don’t need them. Clintons pivot to the right will ensure enough republicans vote her in.
FlipYrWhig
@Mnemosyne: Oooh, hadn’t seen that, good find.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
She shouldn’t have her hands anywhere near the Middle East or Central/South America. What good outcomes have come from Clinton meddling in the Middle East or C/S America?
Kerry’s the one who deserves the credit for the Iran deal.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Uh, that link doesn’t say what you claim. The complaint is about a POST-coup (and post-election) program in Honduras.
Plus I just found out that the person whose death Hillary is being held responsible was murdered just a couple of months ago. You realize that Hillary hasn’t been Secretary of State for 4 years now, right? Why is that activist’s death being laid at her door and not that of John Kerry?
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Did you listen to the victory speech last night? Did it sound like it heralded a “pivot to the right”? To me it sounded like a kick-ass progressive intersectional feminist call to arms. I don’t get where this “right-wing” charge comes from. It kinda seems like a lotta bullshit.
PurpleGirl
@Brachiator:
But this year, for me, more people have died whose lives and work had great impact on my own life, in helping shape the way I looked at the world.
Not that they died in the same year but I lost three people who were important to me — the lady I did typing for. I worked with her for over 20 years. She was just a few months older than me. The friend who helped me get the non-profit job I had for close to 16 years died of cancer. Velma was 12 years younger than I. And a neighbor who I particularly liked talking with died in her sleep. Evelyn was 89.
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: If there’s a coup in a country and you (or Ben Norton or whoever) think the coup is bad and wrong and ought not stand, presumably that means you want… stay with me now… not _less_ meddling, MORE. The criticism is that Hillary Clinton didn’t get involved, i.e. didn’t meddle, ENOUGH in Honduras. You said you had a classics degree, right? How’s your English?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@C.S.:
Make fun of me all you want, but the people felt the Bern. it was small, but bigger than anything Clinton organized around here.
Mnemosyne
@FlipYrWhig:
Even better — the person whose death Clinton is personally blamed for, Berta Cacares? She was murdered two months ago.
Amazing how Hillary is still personally responsible for events in Honduras four years after she stepped down as SoS, but John Kerry escapes all blame. The magical powers of the peni$, I guess.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@FlipYrWhig:
I’m flattered you remember so much about me!
No, I don’t think you understand. Zelaya would’ve never been overthrown in the first place if Clinton hadn’t given the green light.
Stay with me here, FYW, I know I’m young and don’t know as much as you.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Not denying Kerry his due, but denying credit to Clinton is like crediting only the anchor runner in a relay race.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Prove it.
tones
@Chyron HR: never said this before but seriously Fuck you Chyron whoever you are and whatever level of hell you habitate.you are the worst, most mean spirited asshole on this entire site, and THAT is really saying something.
Always vengeful always malicious, why you are not banned is a symptom of what is wrong with this site.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Mnemosyne:
She supported the military in Honduras who helped murder more than just one indigenous activist.
So yes. She is still partly responsible for her death.
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Oh, I forgot, the shadowy forces of the US government mastermind all events in the world.
St. A
@WaterGirl: Thank you.
FlipYrWhig
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: To prevent it, she should have meddled more. Intervening in coups by picking sides is what all true leftists think should be done as a matter of course in Central America!
Omnes Omnibus
@FlipYrWhig: No one in other countries has agency.
singfoom
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Assumes facts not in evidence. It’s one thing to make assertions about what she did AFTER the coup, but there’s zero evidence that we had ANYTHING to do with the coup itself.
So please, elucidate this for all of us and show your work. Please provide some evidence that the U.S. directed the coup.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
And yet that’s not what the Bernie-or-Busters have been telling me. You’ve been telling me that Hillary was PERSONALLY responsible for Caceres’ death. Now it turns out that Hillary had long since left the State Department.
So how many other lies and half-truths are in this bullshit propaganda of yours? We already have links showing that the the US did not, in fact, support the coup. What else are you lying about with this story?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Omnes Omnibus:
Prove it? It’s already been proven her state dept was involved.
Sheesh, Clintons gotten her hands dirty plenty of times. She likes war and conflict. This is a fact.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Mnemosyne:
What links? I showed you mine, now you show me your links.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: IOW you got nothin’.
Reggie Mantle
@tones:
Don’t forget “lying.”
tones
@Reggie Mantle: maybe you haven’t noticed but that seems to be 90 percent of the commenters on here – I got mine, FU
El Caganer
@singfoom: …and she would have gotten away with it, too, except for those meddling teenagers and that stupid Bernie!
different-church-lady
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
You’re a dick.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@singfoom:
By not standing against the Honduran military and recognizing their govt as legitimate, Clinton was responsible.
The fact that you’re not saying this was a bad move on Clintons part is reprehensible.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@different-church-lady:
Don’t be sexist. You didn’t like it when Boxer was called a bitch remember?
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: Of course not. Why that’s a foundational assumption of modern leftism is beyond me, though.
tones
@SFAW: there is a difference, but there is no denying she is technically a republican – by her own admissions.
She has never, ever been a progressive in any sense of the word, so why she suddenly will be one is confusing to me
Reggie Mantle
You know, I was just wondering how many of the “YOU GET NOTHING!” crowd here were Hillary supporters in 2008, and how they would have responded if the people they’d spent the election sneering at as “Obamabots” had said “the bitch lost, we won, so shut the fuck up.”
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ummm, I already provided the links earlier in the thread proving what I just said.
tones
@SFAW: POT – Kettle – Black
singfoom
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Great goalpost move there man. The US directing the coup and not intervening afterwards are two different issues. You have no proof, so move those goalposts down the field.
Our government called for the reinstatement of Zelaya, yet we greenlit the thing? How many tinfoil hats are you wearing?
Omnes Omnibus
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: What singfoom said.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Reggie Mantle:
I disagree with Clinton.
YOU GET NOTHING.
Fuck Off.
There’s onesies and twosies who talk to me, but the majority just like to gang up on me.
You stay classy, BJ!
different-church-lady
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Can you find me one quote where i said a single thing about how I felt about said event?
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@singfoom:
When did our govt call for the reinstatement of Zelaya? Was it before or after we legitimized the military govt?
Come on in, world, Honduras is open for business!
different-church-lady
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: I know. And such small portions.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@different-church-lady:
tones
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: it is due to the type of people they are – they would never be genuine or caring toward any one else, and they cannot even fathom that someone else could.
Therefore you must have been being mean to them, there really is no other possibility they can imagine.
Matt McIrvin
@efgoldman: Middlesex Concert Band! I think the last time I attended was before I first heard you mention your secret identity.
C.S.
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Assumes facts not in evidence. If that were remotely true, Bernie wouldn’t have lost Louisiana by a 3-1 margin. Fewer people voted for him than attend Saints games. Hell, he got 60,000 votes less than Clinton got in 2008 as the losing candidate.
This is not to rag on Sanders or pile on after last night’s death blow. It’s basically to point out that you have a habit of making unsupported statements, using your own (very limited) perceptions as evidence, or just flat-out lying. You could have just said that you felt the Bern, you could’ve said that you were energized, and that would’ve been fine. Unremarkable, sure, but a true reflection of your feelings. But you can’t seem to stop yourself from throwing in the extra claim. Here, it’s about Bernie’s organization trumping Clinton’s, elsewhere in the thread it’s about Hillary supporting the coup, in other threads it’s about other equally unsupported crap. And then you get mad when people call you out on it, and you backtrack (see, e.g., oh, no, I wasn’t making jokes about sobriety! I was honestly trying to give Cole my completely unsolicited and uninformed advice!), and you make ever more unsupported assertions to cover your ass even as it is being handed to you. Don’t do that anymore, please. Have some damn respect for yourself.
tones
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: thanks for this, can it be true that no one here has ever watched Democracy Now, who covered the whole thing? Didn’t Colin Powel march the democratically elected president up the stairs and onto the plane of his banishment?
And now it is a right wing gov in his place?
Yes.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
I’ve provided two links in two different comments. Is your scroll button broken?
singfoom
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Ahem, see here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-honduras-usa-sb-idUKTRE55S5J220090629
In case you have trouble clicking the link or other reading comprehension problems:
From the article:
I’m sure you’ll glom onto the fact that we didn’t officially label it a coup so we could continue aid to the country because that’s the kind of class act you are. But then the US tried to broker a deal….guess who was in charge of doing that?
So then there’s this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/world/americas/31honduras.html
Just saying a thing is true doesn’t make it true. But you know that, you’re just stirring shit.
Mnemosyne
@tones:
See my links above. If Democracy Now said that Hillary Clinton is personally responsible for the death of Berta Cacares, they lied to you.
SFAW
@tones:
You’re cute. You’re also out of your depth. But there might be a puddle somewhere near you.
But, in case that was not deferential enough to your stunning intellectual prowess: The comments from your current love object, Reggie, have been upward of 75 percent in the vein of “Fuck you all for not sucking up to us Bernie-or-Bust-ers and trying to persuade us to vote for Hillary. You assholes are so mean! Fuck you all!” I have said, more times than I can count, that he comes here looking to pick a fight. And when people write “Here’s why Hillary deserves your vote” — even without mentioning the Trump factor (which was a goalpost move on Reggie’s part, something like three or four days ago) he ignores it, and persists with the “Fuck you all”-type comments.
As I mentioned in one of the recent threads — maybe this one, too lazy to bother checking — I noticed it the other day when he DID NOT post in that manner. I even responded to his comment in a forthright manner. But I can count those types of posts from him on one finger. Maybe two, if I use both hands.
So while your wonderfully highbrow “Pot — kettle” comment doubtless gave you a thrill, it was, as to be expected, wrong.
FlipYrWhig
@tones: So Clinton wanted to get actively involved in Syria, which was bad, because the breakdown of their government is none of our business and if the good people among the population get caught in the middle that’s a shame but too damn bad, we can’t be the world’s policeman; but Clinton didn’t want to get actively involved in Honduras, which was bad, because in the ensuing disorder of the government good people among the population, including some noble activists, got caught in the middle, and the blood is on her hands. Is there supposed to be some consistency to this other than THE THING HILLARY DID WAS BAD BECAUSE HILLARY?
El Caganer
@tones: Unless he joined the Honduran military, it’s pretty unlikely that Colin Powell would have been anywhere near there at that time.
Soylent Green
@FlipYrWhig: forget it, Jake. It’s Bernietown.
sinnedbackwards
@SiubhanDuinne: The Constitution only says that the President take a specific oath. Nothing about it being administered by anyone. Could be spoken into thin air in front of Congress so far as the Constitution says. Chief Justice is entirely custom.
SiubhanDuinne
@sinnedbackwards:
Thanks, that’s what I thought. (Knew it didn’t have to be SCOTUS CJ because LBJ on the plane in Dallas, but wasn’t sure whether it needed to be a member of the bench).
Well, so another thing that would be kind of fun would be to have Bill administer the Oath.
sinnedbackwards
@SiubhanDuinne: Perhaps, politically, the normal Chief Justice deal would be ameliatory. Do not make needless enemies.
sinnedbackwards
@SiubhanDuinne: I will admit that seeing their heads explode provides some satisfaction.
different-church-lady
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Okay then. You’re a dick.
different-church-lady
@C.S.:
Feels is more important than facts.
J R in WV
@sinnedbackwards:
That’s a good list, but I’ll add EPA and OSHA(which need to be tripled – that fertilizer plant in TX, hadn’t been inspected in years, not enough inspectors, they have to react to incidents instead of preventing disasters, the same for EPA,, they show up after the pollution is all over the landscape.
NOAA, which uses space technology to learn about climate AND weather tomorrow, and which the Rs want to privatize so someone makes a profit from weather tomorrow and they can stop climate research all around. CDC and National Institutes of Health, which the Rs want to privatize so someone can make profit and their directions of research can be controlled in the dark instead out in the open by congress.
US Geological Survey, which studies earthquakes, volcanoes, water quality, all of which are made too trivial to spend government ,money on, until there’s an earthquake, or flood, or volcano eruption. Wasn’t it Jindal who asked why the government wastes money on volcanic research two weeks before a huge eruption caused massive airline rerouting?
Republicans don’t want government to do anything useful, so people will want to do away with it as useless. Then we will all be in trouble, with no one to tell us how the trouble came about or what we need to do to get out of trouble. I’m sure the Republicans believe there is a moral reason for destroying the infrastructure we have built at great expense to save us from those catastrophes, maybe Baby Jebus wants the end times? but I think we should act as if end times are always 100,000 years off, and we have to make great strides to deserve being part of their rapture.
J R in WV
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
No John Hollandiase Bechamel – it is because you’re a poorly educated and classless boob who thinks (dunning-kruger effect) that you’re a genius, with no evidence to show that.
I took Latin in HS and learned more grammar in two years than you display after how ever many years of study you claim to have had.
My college major was a BS Computer Science, but with minors in English, history, poli sci, geo, and math. Then I worked in Taxes and Environmental Protection, so I learned all about those subjects too. You won’t ever have time to catch up, now I’m learning
to operate a back hoe, a loader, and do heavy construction. And archaeology. And political campaigning.
J R in WV
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
If countless people involved in complex conversation ALL call you a dick, you should seriously consider why all those intelligent people communicating are calling you a dick. It isn’t a conspiracy, we’re too busy to fuck with you for giggles. We want you to stop being a dick, learn to spell and to think, and quit using nearly meaningless slogans that are really content-free to contaminate the conversations around you.
If you shut up and listen you might learn something. I bet one reason your grammar is so poor is that you aren’t bothering to pay attention in you Latin classes to the grammer being taught. No excuse for bad spelling today. People here can provide a graduate-level education in whatever you want to know, but you’re too busy being a dick and pretending to know it all already, when we all know you don’t know much at all.
One vote in the senate, to approve an Authorization for Use of Military Force ( that’s what that bill the R’s and BSanders people talk about incessantly – the AUMF ) doesn’t mean squat. It would have passed with or without her, and the Rs were going to have their war whatever the Congress voted down or up. The funding mechanisms were at least as important, I don’t recall how she voted for those off hand, but it doesn’t matter. Hillary Clinton was a junior Senator in a minority party.
Clinton has never been in a position to take America into any war. Now that she’s worked with a President who protected America without going to war, maybe she’s learned how to do the protecting thing W/O war. That’s a Democratic thing, protecting us without blowing up the world. The Rs just send in the troops, because it spends money like water into the coffers of their minions, it make their ire swell and engorge, and they like the way it makes them feel. Plus you don’t have to be smart to do it, which is a good thing. because most of them aren’t even as smart as you think you are.
Doing it without war takes figuring out not just a strategy, but the correct strategy which will result in safer America, and then devising the tactics to carry out the strategy correctly.
There is a reason you aren’t figuring this out. Go back to school, and this time, don’t talk, read and listen. After 4 or 5 years you may become more qualified to have an opinion. Right now you are only empowered to have an opinion by the 1st Amendment, not by virtue of being competent to formulate an opinion worth sharing with other people.
different-church-lady
@J R in WV:
Well, the “people” part is correct, but the other half of the phrase might be too kind.
And that reason is: he doesn’t want to.