Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

Eh, that’s media spin. biden’s health is fine and he’s doing a good job.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

John Fetterman: Too Manly for Pennsylvania.  Paid for by the Oz for Senator campaign.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

After roe, women are no longer free.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

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Donald Trump Speech on Terrorism at St. Anselm College’s New Hampshire Institute of Politics

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Donald Trump’s scheduled speech today at St. Anselm College’s New Hampshire Institute of Politics was originally supposed to be his big, long advertised response to Secretary Clinton’s speech in San Diego and Senator Warren’s speech at the American Constitution Society. After the events of early Sunday morning in Orlando, the speech has apparently been reworked into a policy address dealing with terrorism. The coverage begins at 2:30 PM EDT and the live feed is embedded below.

 

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  1. 1.

    Schlemazel Khan

    I’d rather have sharpened bamboo spears jammed into my ears than to listen to this inflated asshole speak on anything. Sorry, he is dead to me.

  2. 2.

    cmorenc

    This speech will reflect how much Trump is willing to accept guidance and restraint from his handlers at such a pivotal moment -how far can he get through it without stepping on a self-created land mine,?

  3. 3.

    PatrickG

    There is not enough whiskey in the world for me to play that video. I’ll let masochists and people who get paid to listen to Hair Furor excerpt it for me.

  4. 4.

    Elizabelle

    Um, pandas for $200, Adam.

    Not planning to watch this, but you guys can pull out the interesting stuff in the comment thread.

    I say we have dueling videos, with Hillary’s speech up too. Hovercraft put up a link in previous political thread.

  5. 5.

    cckids

    I’m torn between wanting to listen, so as to be informed, and the utter dread and hatred this jackass inspires in me.

    In deference to my blood pressure, and to avoid alarming my cats with screaming outbursts, I believe I’ll skip it. I am sure it will be recapped very capably.

  7. 7.

    Punchy

    You call it a speech, when in reality it will be just shouty words shouted into a microphone and an orange man turning red from the fact that he’s 70 and he’s shouting all the damn time.

  10. 10.

    hellslittlestangel

    If that video plays anything other than Rick Astley, I’m going to be annoyed.

  13. 13.

    Trollhattan

    An adorable pic of McSquinty in front of that yoooge flag, and a blue tie? Reaching across the aisle at last!

    Five long, horrible, not good months to go. I need a nap.

  14. 14.

    Felonius Monk

    There is a pile of orange defecation making incoherent noise on my television — this idiot is an insult to the human race.

  15. 15.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    So, will this speech be the one that finally kills his candidacy before the GOP convention? Apparently his tweet yesterday has even the GOP irritated with him and this was after the bad week Trump already had.

  17. 17.

    Adam L Silverman

    Well he just misstated that Omar Mateen was born in Afghanistan. Omar Mateen was born in the US.

  19. 19.

    Elie

    I can’t bring myself to watch it/hear it. I want to throw up every time I hear his crass, gross, ignorant tone and voice.

  20. 20.

    MomSense

    Orlahndo. Did he just say that the person was born in Afghan? It sounded like he started by saying that and then tried to correct by saying born to Afghan parents.

    Maybe the Republicans hate the use of teleprompters so much because they can barely read.

  22. 22.

    Kay

    Trump’s been great at setting expectations really low. They’ll treat him like Lincoln if he can put a paragraph together that doesn’t crow about how great he is or tell a huge lie.

  23. 23.

    Trollhattan

    @Roger Moore:
    While Willard didn’t exactly surround himself with sociopaths of the sort Donny is attracted to, it was painfully obvious he only chose sycophants; how else could he possibly have gone into the election not aware he would lose? Didn’t prepare a concession speech?

    Deliver us from bidnezmen cum politicians.

  24. 24.

    Corner Stone

    He started out by saying we should respond to this event and stand together as one people, as Americans. So…by process he is saying a Muslim can not also be an American.
    This should really put this guy at the end of his run for President.

  27. 27.

    Corner Stone

    “Radical Islam” This crowd is not really into the speech. he’s trying to repeat key terms that he thinks will fire them up, but they are not responding appropriately. I think he may start a failure spiral and start screaming at them by the end of this speech.

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    He’s at an almost “Please clap.” stage of the speech.
    This crowd is just not into this speech.

  31. 31.

    Roger Moore

    @MomSense:

    Maybe the Republicans hate the use of teleprompters so much because they can barely read.

    I think the teleprompters are a lot harder to read after they’ve been flecked with spittle.

  33. 33.

    Felonius Monk

    Our problems would be fewer if we could only deport der TrumpenFarter and strip him of his citizenship. That’s an idea I could fully support.

  39. 39.

    Felonius Monk

    Radical Trumpism is a far greater danger to this nation than is radical Islam.

  40. 40.

    Kay

    @Corner Stone:

    This shooting is full of all kinds of complicated factors for the Trumpsters- the gun angle alone trips them up. Does the shooter, a US citizen, have unrestricted gun rights that can’t be regulated in any way OR does “possible Muslim” carry the day?

  42. 42.

    Keith G

    He speaks with a indefinite platitude strewn vernacular.
    “We have to address this head on”
    “We have to figure out what’s going on.”
    “It’s going to be great.”
    “Large numbers of Somali….”
    “She supports so much of what is wrong”

    Wait…He is going to protect my (Gay person) quality of life? Will he say this same thing in Cleveland?

  44. 44.

    Adam L Silverman

    @MomSense: Nope, he stated flat out that Omar Mateen was born in Afghanistan. He was born in New York in 1986, meaning his family came here pre-Taliban and pre-al Qaeda.

  45. 45.

    Shell

    The very first thing he said in announcing this speech, was it would be in New Hampshire, where he had his first primary victory. Because of course its always all about him.

  48. 48.

    Corner Stone

    @LAO: The content isn’t hitting as hard as he probably thought/hoped. It’s also a bad delivery. He keeps repeating little phrases like he always does but it’s much more awkward when he transitions back to the prompter speech.

  49. 49.

    Kay

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I’m convinced he didn’t know that a lot of immigration is based on country of origin and no one told him, so he just grabbed “religious test” because he’s really not very bright. Now of course he can’t back down, because he’s not just dumb- he’s also stubborn and entitled

  50. 50.

    Elie

    @Kay:

    Yeah, this isn’t a clean “winning” situation for their shtick. Trump was hoping to use this as a natural springboard to “respond” to Hillary — and Obama on his policy ideas (like he has some). He can’t get there from here — too lame and too stupid. Hilz team will be ready for him and I am sure they are taking good notes…

  51. 51.

    Adam L Silverman

    Well I’m sure Secretary of Defense of Carter, AG Lynch, and Director of National Intelligence Clapper now feel that their work has been appreciated.

  52. 52.

    gvg

    I don’t want to hear him. What matters is what the other voters who were/are considering him think. So I will watch and listen to what media narative is and what “people” say about it. Yes i should listen to him to know but I also know he craves attention. Anyway if he finally melts down and his supporters visibly start to abandon him, I will go back and watch a replay.
    Anyone else been remembering the 70’s and discussions about how hijackers and hostage takers were doing it for attention and media attention caused copy catting? I still feel there is some truth to that and Trump, not to mention some of the killers really feel like deja vu.
    Some of the Orlando coverage mentions places I used to know. Really uncomfortable. first press conference was listed as Orange and Michigan which is about 1/2 mile from my parents house until 7 years ago, less than that from one of my former apartments. the shooting seems to have been near another former apartment though I don’t think this club was built then. Problem with Orlando is it keeps growing and adding streets. I can get lost near my childhood home because major new roads cut right through it. I haven’t lived in Orlando since 93 but I swear the mayor’s name sounds like one of the same people.

  53. 53.

    Keith G

    This is a dismal failure. I wonder how tight Paul Ryan’s ass hole is clinching right now.

  54. 54.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    I watched about a minute and a half of Señor Trump’s tremendous, tremendous, great speech. Has anybody else seen that he has the weirdest mannerisms with his hands when he speaks? He holds his hands up and flails them around, but only from the elbow down. He holds his upper arm right up against his body. It strikes me as, dare I say it, slightly effeminate. Anybody else noticed this?

  57. 57.

    hovercraft

    @Corner Stone:
    The moment of silence at the beginning of the speech was so awkward, he didn’t know what to do so his eyes were darting back and forth over the crowd.

  60. 60.

    MomSense

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    ETA Perhaps he could make people wear patches or arm bands with the star and crescent on them. I can’t believe we are even flirting with this fascist nightmare but here we are. He must be humiliated.

    @hovercraft:

    I thought he said born inAfghan. @Adam L Silverman:
    He was definitely trying to construct the description to give the impression that he was born in Afghanistan–but I think he just said “in Afghan”. The guy is both stupid and mean so it is likely he both tried to say the guy was born in Afghanistan and screwed up the name of the country.

  61. 61.

    Corner Stone

    @hovercraft: he also shimmied his body slightly in a small twisting manner. It was so awkward you could almost see him silently counting, “One The Donald, Two The Donald, Three The Donald, Four The Donald”

  63. 63.

    ksmiami

    All of us have a duty to prevent this con-man, this boil on humanity from ever being anywhere near the White House and simultaneously we must rid congress of control by the entire GOP; They are an insult to our nation, a danger to the world and a toxic poison to our shared humanity. I am thoroughly disgusted with America right now and demand a better future for my children and the children of this country. Enough.

  65. 65.

    Chris

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    I’d rather have sharpened bamboo spears jammed into my ears than to listen to this inflated asshole speak on anything.

    Likewise. I developed this strategy last election to avoid putting a chair through my TV/computer screen – read the speech after the fact, maybe, more likely listen to its dissection by other people. But don’t actually watch the douchebag.

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Corner Stone: And the repeated almost positive remarks of solidarity with LGBTQ Americans is not going to play well either. Its not in the room. And it won’t after the fact. He just said if you’re anti-LGBTQ you can’t come into America. I don’t think he actually understands who his supporters are.

  69. 69.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    @Trollhattan: Keep in mind to the Mormons Mittens was The Chosen One(tm), largely by accidently looking like the way their prophet is depicted. More like the syncopates surrounded Romney whether Romney wanted them or not.

  71. 71.

    hovercraft

    @Elie:
    It’s not a speech it’s attacks on Hillary and Obama strung together with lies and slogans. We need his leadership or else we will not have a country people. Strong, smart, stupid, tough, etc.

  72. 72.

    Corner Stone

    This is a truly awful speech. Incredibly bad, hateful content and messaging combined with one of the worst deliveries I have ever seen at this level.

  74. 74.

    Kay

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    I have. It’s part of his over the topness that I think will make him unattractive to more stodgy conservatives. I can’t get them to pin down what it is about him that they find unappealing but the general theme they use is “excessive” – too loud, too unstable, not reliable, not “solid” in a way they look for.

  79. 79.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    He holds his hands up and flails them around, but only from the elbow down. He holds his upper arm right up against his body. It strikes me as, dare I say it, slightly effeminate. Anybody else noticed this?

    I didn’t pick up on the arm contortions but I said before that his demeanor and mannerisms strike me as exceptionally close to those of Joan Rivers.

  81. 81.

    Corner Stone

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s a tough one because he started by saying the LGBT community was representing all Americans by living their free life. But Muslims can not be real Americans.
    He’s losing it in real time.

    “BIGLY”!!!

  82. 82.

    D58826

    If we had the screening that he demands maybe his family would have been sent back to wherever they came from.

  86. 86.

    Keith G

    A pledge to be the best friend of the LGBT community, evah!! Drew the least applause of the gig so far.

    Mike Huckabee is choking on his chicken-fried Steak appetizer.

  89. 89.

    Corner Stone

    Did you know that Trump received more votes in the Republican Primary than anyone else, ever? Did you?

  90. 90.

    Adam L Silverman

    He just pivoted from complimenting “out great Muslim communities” in America for blaming them for not turning in “the bad people and they know who they are”.

  91. 91.

    gvg

    So where are these American citizens who are Muslin supposed to be deported too? Ancestral homelands might not think they are their citizens either. They may be of multiple national origins as many Americans are. There have been some Muslims here since the founding and national origins 2+ centuries old definately aren’t going to be an alternative homeland. Religious conversions happen, how long were Ali’s ancestors here?
    Even if they do have an alternative homeland, that country may not want to make it easy for us, as I have thought since he began his campaign attacking Mexicans. We have given past preference to people fleeing persecution so we have a lot that it would be murder to send back.

    He’s an idiot, but we already knew it. I was just mentioning a few reasons.

  95. 95.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He just said if you’re anti-LGBTQ you can’t come into America. I don’t think he actually understands who his supporters are.

    But Trump thinks it’s American to be anti-Muslim at the same time?

  98. 98.

    Kay

    @Shell:

    Presidential elections are really long. I wonder if there will be a dawning recognition that Trump just isn’t very smart.

    Watch the interview where he’s asked if women should be punished for abortion. The long pause. He knows saying “yes” is the wrong answer but he’s not quick enough to come up with anything else, and he’s so arrogant he enters these interviews completely unprepared, so he doesn’t know there’s like 50 years of analysis on that question.

  100. 100.

    Adam L Silverman

    @D58826: We already have that screening. He also clearly has no idea how law enforcement investigations and intelligence collection and analysis works. He seems to think that everyone went to the beach yesterday instead of getting started on that work.

  102. 102.

    Elie

    @hovercraft:

    Of course! That is all he is capable of doing. And even with this thin gruel, Hillary is gonna pants him again in whatever she responds. Honestly… this will destroy the republican party. They deserve being destroyed for allowing this contemptible, horrible and totally ignorant beast to represent them. He is extraordinarily incompetent and incomprehensibly STILL popular with millions of white folks who obviously have some sort of horrible prion brain infection.

  103. 103.

    Felonius Monk

    Just what America needs — an even more incoherent and inarticulate President than we had to suffer with from 2001-2009.

  106. 106.

    Corner Stone

    I hope every news network replays this speech. This is Clint Eastwood to an empty chair level of awful.

  108. 108.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Corner Stone: I expect he’ll continue to hammer the President should step down, Secretary Clinton should drop out, I should be made President immediately. Its the Trump version of the Enabling Act speech. But it’ll be done as tweets.

  109. 109.

    Roger Moore

    @Kay:

    Does the shooter, a US citizen, have unrestricted gun rights that can’t be regulated in any way OR does “possible Muslim” carry the day?

    I’m pretty sure they don’t believe a Muslim can actually be an American, so they don’t really have a problem with that in principle. It’s just that most of them have a hard time saying that only white Christians should be allowed to be citizens out loud.

  113. 113.

    Corner Stone

    They cut away from the speech to the channel ID marker with the loud signal broadcast sound and I feel like i would rather elect that president over Trump.

  114. 114.

    Elie

    @Keith G:

    Its almost disconcerting that Trump is THIS bad… you almost start getting paranoid that somehow you are missing something — it shouldn’t be this obvious or easy….

  115. 115.

    Amir Khalid

    Nonsensical and repetitious speech. Connection to factual reality tenuous at best. I hear slogans but I don’t hear any thought. I certainly don’t hear a President. No one here will be surprised.

  117. 117.

    Miss Bianca

    @gvg:Fucking seriously? Did he actually call for deportation of Muslims? I know he’s blown hard about that in the past but did he actually go there in this speech??

    @Adam L Silverman: Nope, no press statement at this time.

  118. 118.

    D58826

    Decision to overthrow the governments of Libya and Syria are the reason for ISIS. Seems there is some small piece missing here. Maybe Trump can enlist our ally Saddam Hussein. Oh wait?

    How do you respond to a speech that is one lie and scaremongering after another. NBC reporting is saying there are a couple of mistakes in this otherwise forceful speech.

    Great FSM Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini all gave forceful speeches.

  119. 119.

    Chris

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He just pivoted from complimenting “out great Muslim communities” in America for blaming them for not turning in “the bad people and they know who they are”.

    Don’t you love it?

    “We had no idea!” “But he was always so nice!” “Who would’ve thought a nice young man like that could just snap!” … is the cliched response of neighbors, co-workers, relatives, classmates et al to virtually everybody who turns out to be a murderer or other capital criminal. But Muslims, unlike everyone else, are supposed to be able to just know when one of their own is going to turn bad?

    What are they supposed to do? Look into his eyes and see his soul?

  120. 120.

    Corner Stone

    Any person who saw the HRC speech earlier and then watched the Trump Ooga Booga speech can’t seriously consider ever voting for Trump.
    Even if you hate Hillary, liberals and all that is PC in the world there is just no fucking way. That was one of the worst events I have ever witnessed. What is the opposite of “builds confidence” ? This speech is in the dictionary featured beside that term.

  121. 121.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Did you notice he kept saying “LBGQ”? I know he got the order wrong at least twice. But this may well be the first time in his life he has given the LGBTQ community a thought, so I suppose he can be forgiven. /

    Oh, and that thing he says that sounds like a made-up adverb, “bigly”? I finally figured out that he’s probably saying “big league.”

  122. 122.

    Gin & Tonic

    @D58826: My mother lived 95 years on this earth, and always said Hitler was the most electrifying public speaker she’d ever seen. Not as to agreement, of course, talking about delivery, crowd control, etc. Yes, she saw it for real.

  123. 123.

    eric

    @Corner Stone: The term you are looking for is “trumped,” as in “he really fucking trumped that speech to hell.” Or, “when you trump a speech that bad, it feels as if you just sprayed the crowd with santorum.”

  124. 124.

    hovercraft

    He’s going to ‘suspend the entry of people from any country where people have engaged in acts of terror against America or the West. So we’re banning the Irish, the British, The French, Norweigians , most of Europe?

  125. 125.

    Keith G

    Watching Hillary’s speech in an subsequent thread. It is such a galactic difference between the two.

  127. 127.

    Chris

    @Roger Moore:

    I’m pretty sure they don’t believe a Muslim can actually be an American, so they don’t really have a problem with that in principle. It’s just that most of them have a hard time saying that only white Christians should be allowed to be citizens out loud.

    Uncle’s twitter feed (sorry to keep quoting him, but I really do find it to be a very good Wingnut Barometer): “We need to have a national conversation on whether Islam is compatible with Western democracy” (retweeted from some wingnut blog or other).

    No need to ask what the outcome of the conversation should be: they already know their answer.

  129. 129.

    The Thin Black Duke

    I hope every Republican candidate who didn’t take the opportunity to destroy this dildo with a bad toupee during the primaries are goddamned ashamed of themselves.

  130. 130.

    Miss Bianca

    @Chris:

    “We had no idea!” “But he was always so nice!” “Who would’ve thought a nice young man like that could just snap!” … is the cliched response of neighbors, co-workers, relatives, classmates et al to virtually everybody who turns out to be a murderer or other capital criminal. But Muslims, unlike everyone else, are supposed to be able to just know when one of their own is going to turn bad?

    In this particular case, sounds like everybody who knew him knew he was bad meat in a can. But *not* because he was Muslim – because he was a hateful, violent, homophobe and racist who made no secret of the fact that he wanted to kill people. So just what “the Muslim community” was supposed to do about him remains, conveniently, a mystery.

  131. 131.

    Kay

    @Elie:

    He waited too long to “respond” to Clinton. I was wondering if that’s because he believes responding is weak. That’s a pretty common belief among egotistical blowhards I have known. They have to control every aspect- “the best defense is an offense, acting beats reacting” all that stuff.

  132. 132.

    Corner Stone

    I can’t believe I watched that whole thing. I knew it was going to be bad, hateful and stupid. But I honestly was not expecting what Trump just produced. Mein Gott!

  133. 133.

    Elie

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I believe it. Trump is a clown and a joke — an ignorant blow hard who should be getting only cat calls and derision but instead has a multi-million person following. Its pretty scary that this many people have such serious brain disease and psychopathy. That is a lot of people who might pass the test for psychopathy.

  135. 135.

    D58826

    @Gin & Tonic: My maternal grandmother left Germany in 1914 and said basically the same thing. That Hitler spoke a poor grade of German but could charm the birds out of the trees.

  136. 136.

    Corner Stone

    @eric:

    I am a yuge fan of the LBBQ community. Great sauces. Fabulous americans

    What does the L stand for. Because if it’s Lesbian BBQ then I think we’re going to need to have a small talk.
    It’s a cookbook!

  137. 137.

    Barbara

    @Keith G: The agony of being pinned down and forced to decide who he hates most must be sending Huckabee’s brain into an endless spin cycle.

  138. 138.

    Elie

    @Kay:

    Maybe but I think she boxed him in pretty good. He could only sling dirt, which in his gut he knew would make him look weak and he couldn’t match her on content, as we know. He doesn’t HAVE an answer.

  140. 140.

    D58826

    @Chris:

    whether Islam is compatible with Western democracy

    . Yes it is. ISIS and the other jihadists aren’t comparable with Islam either.

  142. 142.

    LAO

    @Corner Stone: Well, you were doing Dog’s work — keeping the rest of us informed. Thanks! (slinks off smirking since I didn’t have to listen).

  144. 144.

    Chris

    @Miss Bianca:

    I mean, you also have the problem that even if you do know that he’s “bad meat in a can…” Okay. Now what? Only a small minority of people who express these kinds of thoughts actually follow through on them. I mean, I’m trying to picture which of the people I know in my circle (overwhelmingly white and middle class) could potentially go on a killing spree and the number’s not small, based on their expressed ideologies – plenty of those who vote GOP are certainly hateful enough.

    But how many of these people would actually follow through on their “second amendment solutions” bullshit? Very few – my guess is none, actually. Certainly none of them have so far. That’s true even of the people who are radical enough to assemble into “militias” – the majority of them are all talk, just hanging around the shooting range talking about what they’re totally going to do, when the UN One World Order Zionist Occupation Government Black Helicopters come for them… any minute now. Even those freaks, in most cases, don’t cross the line into actual terrorism.

  145. 145.

    Adam L Silverman

    @SiubhanDuinne: He’s never used the acronym, it was loaded into the teleprompter and the speech was written by someone else. Most likely his son in law Jared Kushner who has emerged as a major advisor inside the campaign. He clearly misheard big league years ago and turned it into his own malopropism bigly.

  148. 148.

    Kay

    @Elie:

    Well, he’s right in a way. It was her big week. His response would have been weaker so he just passed it up. i agree with you that she won that round but he just didn’t show up.

    He’s his own campaign director which is yet another indication that he’s both dumb and arrogant. He doesn’t take advice from people who know what they’re doing

  149. 149.

    Elie

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I thought Jared was somewhat smart — like Trump’s daughter Ivanka — who he is married to. Would you let your father or father in-law destroy himself — and the country that you live in? Honestly —- whaaaaa???? I would go as far away from Trump as I could go and keep my mouth shut if I was either one of them. Maybe the impression that they are “smart” is not accurate…

  150. 150.

    scav

    Well, if all Muslims musthave known about the evil-doers doing evil in their midst and must be held accountable for same, then I’d guess each end every Catholic knew about the pedophiles in their churches and schools and must also be communaly punished. Same for all the other churches and temples with pedophilia and scams and lone wols wife-beaters. Every single butt on the pew is complicit, right? And as we are att the children of immigrants, we all toast.

  151. 151.

    Corner Stone

    @Kay:

    Does the shooter, a US citizen, have unrestricted gun rights that can’t be regulated in any way OR does “possible Muslim” carry the day?

    I honestly think that’s why Trump phrased it so that Mateen sounds like he was born in Afghanistan. I don’t think that was a mistaken phrase, he wants to fully otherwise him and remove the 2nd amendment conundrum.

  152. 152.

    Felonius Monk

    @Kay:

    He doesn’t take advice from people who know what they’re doing

    If he had, he would never have run in the first place.

  153. 153.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Corner Stone: No, the magic lightning hits Billy Batson and “with one magic word” transforms him into Captain Marvel, now doing business (n/d/b) as Shazam due to copyright disputes between DC and Marvel.

  154. 154.

    Mart

    Walking out of the grocery yesterday I saw a Mad Magazine – did not know it was still a thing and have not bought a copy in about 50 years. The cover is Trump blustering with Alfred E Newman popping out the top of his skull like a jack in the box. It’s awesome. Best $5.99 I ever spent.

  155. 155.

    Barbara

    @Chris: I have a family acquaintance whose son went on a killing spree — targeting people likely to be recent immigrants. He killed four people and shot seven, before a very brave lady stood up and risked being shot at in order to get a look at his license plate and report him to the police, who stopped him. The point here is, his parents knew he had problems — he had a long downward spiral of being stalled in his career and unable to form relationships. But shooting people was something they never fathomed. They didn’t even know he owned guns or knew how to use them. Eliot Rodger’s parents did tell the police that they thought he was going to hurt someone, and the police did nothing because he appeared to be coherent and reasonable.

  158. 158.

    hovercraft

    @Elie:
    Power corrupts, and the desire to be that close to that much power must be irresistible. He is a democrat from a democratic family.

  159. 159.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Elie: His dad was put in jail for fraud and other white collar crimes by then US Attorney Chris Christie. The son appears to be on the same kind of business plan – start as a slum lord and work your way up – that his father and father in law are on.

  160. 160.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Corner Stone: I saw on the Twitter that his prepared remarks phrase it as “was born to Afghan parents who immigrated to the United States…” So he either mis-read the prompter, or wanted to improvise on this one for some other reason.

  161. 161.

    chopper

    why am i in moderation for no reason whatsoever? go home, wordpress, you’re drunk.

  162. 162.

    Trollhattan

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques:
    Was Willard’s inner circle all/mostly LDS? Its makeup is something I’m ignorant of.

    Funny how his father George, though born directly into a polygamist society, was more worldly and had a far more refined sense of social justice than his miserable kid, and now Willard’s boys are even more watered down than he is.

  164. 164.

    D58826

    @Barbara: There are a lot of people that fit that profile. Only an infinitesimally small number actually pick up a gun and use it. Makes it real tough to pick out the wheat from the chaff.

  167. 167.

    hovercraft

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Here in Jersey we just think of them as part of the moneyed elite who pull all the strings. Occasionally they go to jail, but that doesn’t diminish their roles in the system. This is Jersey, competing with NY, IL, and LA for the most corrupt state.

  171. 171.

    hitchhiker

    @Corner Stone:

    I heard it as “he was an Afghan, born to Afghan parents” — meaning the place of his birth is not the relevant part of the story, but rather what his parentage was. Kind of like Judge Curiel, no?

  172. 172.

    Trollhattan

    @Amir Khalid:
    Breathlessly awaiting RWTroll #1 to enter with nym #23 to declare Trump! has Unleashed the Flamethrower!

    Or is “flamethrower” off the approved list after yesterday; what was said at this morning’s call?

  173. 173.

    Elie

    @hovercraft:

    This is power, I guess — but that he doesn’t have his senses tell him that this is a bad bad scene tells me he isn’t all that competent. Add to it what Adam said that his old man was kind of a crook also. It does not surprise me that Trump would have a son in law cut from the same cloth but it also tells me son-in-law’s advice may not be worth much.

  174. 174.

    Betty Cracker

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): It’s usually a cheap cut of meat that has been run through a tenderizer (or flattened with a mallet), dipped in seasoned flour, fried and served with gravy. It’s actually quite delicious when done correctly, though I agree it would be a pity to treat a ribeye that way!

    RE: Combover Caligula’s speech, I’m going to make myself watch it later. Y’all’s commentary makes me almost look forward to it!

  175. 175.

    hovercraft

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Well Florida is in another category altogether, corrupt and insane. We know we are corrupt and have simply given up, Florida has no idea it’s lost it’s mind.

  176. 176.

    Corner Stone

    @Gin & Tonic:

    that his prepared remarks phrase it as “was born to Afghan parents who immigrated to the United States…” So he either mis-read the prompter, or wanted to improvise on this one for some other reason.

    I read the transcript and it’s amazing how many times he repeated himself or just flat ad-libbed.
    But in his actual speech he says, “Born in Afghan, of Afghan parents”. Now that could be a glitch in the prompter or it could be him reverting to what he believes the actual truth is, or just him flat out lying. In any event, if all you watch is Fox News you’re most likely going to now believe Mateen was an immigrant who came here to kill Americans.

  180. 180.

    Kay

    Calling an Indiana-born judge “Mexican” and a New York-born killer “Afghan” sends a pretty clear message.

    Great! Still telling huge lies now that we’re in the general, I see. Maybe some Republican should have called him out on lying constantly in the primary, since part of what primaries are supposed to do is train candidates.

  181. 181.

    Elie

    @hovercraft:

    Florida has been corrupt for a long time. Millions of dollars of fraud characterized its Medicare and Medicaid programs and the Feds never did much. Rotten all the way through and led (in part) by very slick, well heeled Cubans.

  182. 182.

    Chris

    @Corner Stone:

    But in his actual speech he says, “Born in Afghan, of Afghan parents”.

    Could he simply have been saying “born an Afghan, of Afghan parents?”

  183. 183.

    Corner Stone

    @Betty Cracker:

    Combover Caligula’s speech, I’m going to make myself watch it later. Y’all’s commentary makes me almost look forward to it!

    Don’t do it, B Crack. It might drive you to remove yourself to the Floridian hinterlands and spend the rest of your life searching for mythical migrant birds to commune with. And I, for one, need you here too damn much to see that happen!

  184. 184.

    Elie

    @Barbara:

    It is horrible to bear witness to the progression of painful failures when someone with mental illness goes violent. It is traumatic so my sympathy on having to have even known about this. The anguish for his family must have been and probably still is, past surreal. And of course the victims. The escalation to violence can be quite sudden and even then, its virtually impossible to get action before they do something. Even then, unless its really violent, anything relatively minor in scale will just get a few days hospitalization and meds that they frequently stop taking at some point. It is non trivial that their family is frequently scared of them also……

  185. 185.

    Corner Stone

    @Chris:

    Could he simply have been saying “born an Afghan, of Afghan parents?”

    I have listened to it a few times and that’s possible. I heard “in” the first couple times but then listened to see if I might hear “an”. And it’s pretty close one or the other. I think the “othering” effect or denial of his American-ness is mutually the same but location of birth would give the haters more leeway to hate on Muslim immigrants.

  187. 187.

    zzyzx

    @Adam L Silverman: modern day retelling of an old blatant ripoff of Captain Marvel. Sometimes very cool, sometimes edgy for the sake of being edgy (like the pregnancy issue that was literally an entire issue showing someone give birth that Moore defended from his critics (who called it pornographic as it was quite graphic) as being artistic without noticing that it was incredibly boring), sometimes dark for being dark (imagine Captain Marvel Jr, still in his superhero body for 20 years with no other heroes/villains and using his knowledge to take over companies and causally rape women), it’s a mixed bag but probably worth reading if you can find it.

  189. 189.

    Adam L Silverman

    @zzyzx: Moore’s nuts. You ever see the treatment he submitted for a DC war among the superheroes continuity destroying grand story?

  190. 190.

    zzyzx

    @Adam L Silverman: No I haven’t. What should I google to find it?

    There are some amazing parts to it, like when Miracleman’s alter ego explains to his wife about his superheroic past (which had been wiped from her memory) and she starts mocking all of the character names.

  193. 193.

    Barbara

    @Elie: Elie, this almost perfectly describes the person I am thinking of. Minor incidents (usually associated with drinking) and after a while, the rest of his family living in dread of his “moods.” But still, never thinking that he could or would resort to that level of violence.

  194. 194.

    Brachiator

    Trump started off OK, with sympathy, support and acceptance of gays. This alone has to give some conservatives fits. But then his entire immigration platform is based on a lie. And he talks about gays, Christians and Jews but excludes Muslims. And then later talks about supposed Islamic radicals coming in and indoctrinating our innocent children. What a mess. But I wonder how many of his supporters will eat this nonsense up. It’s lucky that he uses the teleprompter so poorly, which blunts the effectiveness of his loathsome rhetoric.

  198. 198.

    Corner Stone

    @Keith G:

    Trump has just Tweeted that he is banning the WaPo reporters from his events.

    That is comedy gold, Jerry! Gold!

  204. 204.

    Juju

    @Elie: I lost all respect for Ivanka after reading the article about how Trump has a history of stiffing contractors for the work they’ve done for the Trump organization. She’s not much better than her father.

  206. 206.

    Mister Forkbeard

    @Keith G: Donald is very good at banning people, just fantastic. He shows what kind of leader he is. Strong! :)

  207. 207.

    Renie

    Why is he there? Was he invited by the college to speak or is he just renting space there? Does anyone have more info on who the audience is and what their reactions are? Like others, there is no way
    I can stomach listening to him and I appreciate those of you who did.

  211. 211.

    J R in WV

    @michael rigby:

    I’m surprised you spelled all the words in your short but stupid comment correctly.

    You obviously are unaware that President Obama saved this nation from a second Great Depression, made the successful decision to go for Osama bin Laden, ended our participation in an illegal war in Iraq… the list of successful Obama initiatives goes on, but I’m done responding to an ignorant Republican stooge.

  212. 212.

    SFAW

    @michael rigby:

    I am amazed that you were able to type those sentences. I mean, how could you see the keyboard (real or virtual) with your head so far up your ass?

  213. 213.

    SFAW

    @J R in WV:

    You obviously are unaware that President Obama …

    He’s aware. But part of being a good little Rethuglican is not letting reality intrude on one’s Weltanschauung.

  216. 216.

    Kenneth Almquist

    I finally decided enough time had passed since the shooting that I could bear to watch Trump’s speech.

    The best thing about the speech is that Trump defended the idea that LGBT people should not be the target of terrorist attacks. “Our nation stands together in solidarity with the members of Orlando’s LGBT Community.” I’m guessing that Trump’s advisors have gotten through to him that every time he attacks another minority group it potentially costs him votes.

    I’m tempted to write that the worst part of the speech was everything else in it. But one thing that stands out is the claim that Muslim communities in the United States are concealing information about terrorists. “But the Muslim communities must cooperate with law enforcement and turn in the people who they know are bad – and they do know where they are.”

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