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  3. 3.

    pamelabrown53

    Adam, is there a reason you bigfooted your own post as opposed to simply updating the previous one? If you think this deserves a separate post then why not provide some analysis?

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    Thank you, Adam. Very full service evening!

    I groaned a little when you asked if HRC had made a speech today, because you’re very well informed and clearly, all the newsBarbies and Kens must have been queued up for Trump.

    Almost dinner time in Barcelona. Listening to some Ray Charles, drinking (way cheap and delicious) white wine and studiously avoiding the blustering one speechifying in New Hampshire.

    Should be reviewing my homework. But so many threads!

  7. 7.

    gogol's wife

    You’d think that reading the NY Times review of the Tonys would be a light diversion. But it complained that James Corden, in his opening remarks about Orlando, did not mention “the Islamic state or terrorism.”

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    Our candidate is NOT orange. And her hair looks attractive. Very attractive, smart, accomplished grandmother and leader who belongs in the White House.

    It’s hard to believe she finally gets the nomination and she’s up against Donald Trump. That is slap one’s head territory. In one’s wildest dreams, or nightmares. You could not game that out.

    And there is something more human about Trump than almost all the other humanoids that ran (broad bench), although he is clearly awful, unqualified, and totally unsuited for the presidency.

    It’s like, Diane Sawyer finally gets to be anchor of ABC News, but it’s been so dumbed down that people hate watch it. The buckrakers and suckups ruined it.

  14. 14.

    Mnemosyne

    @gogol’s wife:

    Oh FFS. Yes, I can’t imagine why BROADWAY would focus on the LGBTQ aspect of the murders.

    I ended up staying up late to watch the show on the west coast and, yes, LMM’s full sonnet made me choke up.

  16. 16.

    Mnemosyne

    Also, if anyone missed Lin-Manuel Miranda’s beautiful acceptance sonnet last night, here’s the text:

    My wife’s the reason anything gets done;
    She nudges me towards promise by degrees;
    She is a perfect symphony of one;
    Our son is her most beautiful reprise.
    We chase the melodies that seem to find us
    Until they’re finished songs and start to play
    When senseless acts of tragedy remind us
    That nothing here is promised, not one day.
    This show is proof that history remembers
    We lived through times when hate and fear seemed stronger;
    We rise and fall and light from dying embers, remembrances that hope and love last longer
    And love is love is love is love is love is love is love is love cannot be killed or swept aside.
    I sing Vanessa’s symphony, Eliza tells her story
    Now fill the world with music, love and pride.

  19. 19.

    Kay

    @rikyrah:

    I don’t think he’d do it anyway. Sherrod Brown is powerful in the Senate and he’s at the peak of his career. It wouldn’t be a good move.

  21. 21.

    Keith G

    I have never seen her look and just be so “Presidential”. In fact, her presentation today does not lack in comparison to any person who has held that office. Unlike some, I have always valued her steeliness.

  23. 23.

    Adam L Silverman

    @pamelabrown53: Because I’m just now getting to watch/listen to this speech. And I’m an equal time kind of guy. Had I known this was scheduled, I’d have put it up in real time. Also, people should be able to handle reading multiple posts.

  24. 24.

    geg6

    @Keith G:

    I think she’s pretty much been magnificent ever since wrapping up the nomination. Something in her changed. It’s like her confidence level got kicked up even higher and she seems much more comfortable in the role and in showing more of her true self. And that self isn’t what the media says it is. And she’s out to prove them all wrong.

  26. 26.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Elizabelle: Its been a busy couple of days. And I normally don’t follow the day in day out of the campaigns. I saw the announcement, posted elsewhere about the Trump speech being reworked to deal with Sunday’s attack in Orlando. Otherwise I’d have not paid much attention to any of this stuff today.

  27. 27.

    Kay

    @geg6:

    Some pundit said that we’ve never seen her in a general and primaries are really different than generals and that’s a good point. Maybe she’s on more solid footing with an ideological/GOP opponent. I could see that.

  28. 28.

    JPL

    Twitter tells me that Trump wants citizens to arm themselves, in order to combat radical Islams. Maybe Adam could post his speech, so we could compare the candidates speeches.

  29. 29.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mnemosyne: Oh, that is a lovely poem and tribute.

    For lulz I should be comparing/contrasting HRC’s and Trump’s remarks. Maybe tonight after rehearsal.

  31. 31.

    NonyNony

    @Kay:

    Maybe she’s on more solid footing with an ideological/GOP opponent.

    I wouldn’t be shocked to discover that she finds beating up on allies and potential allies distasteful but enjoys giving a boot to the nads of a GOP opponent. Especially a misogynistic ass like Trump. Wasn’t that how her race against Lazio kind of went?

  32. 32.

    Miss Bianca

    Adam, is there a reason you’re not doing *even more* for us here than you usually do?//

  33. 33.

    slag

    Hillary’s hawkishness is not her best feature, and this speech does nothing to allay any concerns about her on that front. Luckily, she has Trump’s insanity to give her cover, but these incidents rarely bring out the best in our elected leadership. Not a good day for America on any level.

  34. 34.

    MomSense

    @geg6:

    I don’t know if something in her changed or it is just that she had to be careful not to seem presumptuous as coronation was the pre-campaign smear about her.

    It seems to me that she was similarly confident when she was Sec of State.

  35. 35.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: The need to do actual work. Working from home can be convenient, but it still has to be done. I can post some prerelease clips from The Clown if you’d like?

  36. 36.

    Kay

    @NonyNony:

    I didn’t follow her NY race because I figured it was a gimmee, like Obama’s in Illinois :)

    Primaries are fundamentally different, right? The whole thing is “yes, I DO agree w/Senator Left of me!” She was vigorously agreeing a lot. That’s done! These 2 don’t agree on anything.

  39. 39.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman: No, thank you. Some things are better left unseen. t

    btw, I interrupt this thread to inform everyone that I am cuddling the brand-new store kitten, who is on my lap as I type. All y’all are jealous as hell, or ought to be.

  42. 42.

    Kay

    @JPL:

    I think this is the most horrifying speech Trump has ever given, which is a high bar.

    that made me laugh, so thanks.

  43. 43.

    bystander

    I agree Brown and Warren are absolutely necessary in the Senate.

    I couldn’t bear to watch Trump’s speech, but did catch MSNBC’ s Katie (the blonde one) saying that he got some things wrong. He claimed the shooter was from “Afghan”. Beautiful, blonde Katie pointed out that he was an American.

  44. 44.

    Keith G

    Hillary in Cleveland:

    To all the LGBT people grieving in Florida and across this country, you have millions of allies who will always have your back, and I am one of them.

    That sent me again to hillaryclinton.com so I could give her some money.

    @Adam L Silverman: Love you, man.

  47. 47.

    Miss Bianca

    @Annie: I’ll do my humble best. You know, I do have a cat on my lap, so even getting up to get the camera is problematic at this point. ; )

  48. 48.

    Keith G

    @slag:

    Hillary’s hawkishness is not her best feature, and this speech does nothing to allay any concerns about her on that front.

    Oh pish-posh! A bent toward realism is not a bad thing and that is what she is communicating today.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    Alright, I’ve been listen to Secretary Clinton’s speech and I get what she meant by the 9-12 stuff, but right now, somewhere, Glenn Beck is confused and sobbing. Not that that is anything new for Glenn Beck.

  51. 51.

    slag

    @Keith G: Realism, in this case, is as follows: crazy dude hating on LGBTQ gets guns and goes on rampage, which is a big problem that keeps happening and that we should do everything we can to curtail. Spending a good portion of the speech on IS is doing exactly what Adam talked about in his previous post: missing the point. That’s the opposite of realism.

  52. 52.

    hovercraft

    Josh Earnest’s responds to Trump

    White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday that President Barack Obama was too busy to be distracted by things “so small” as Donald Trump, who insinuated after the deadly mass shooting in Orlando, Florida that the President was working with terrorists.

    While he said he wasn’t sure if Obama was aware of Trump’s remarks, he told reporters, “when you’re focused on something as big as helping the country respond to the worst mass shooting in our nation’s history, when you’re focused on something as big as safeguarding the country and combating violent extremism, it’s important not to get distracted by things that are so small.”

    Earnest was asked about Trump’s Monday morning remarks during his daily press briefing.

    Asked again about the remarks later in the briefing, Earnest said Obama’s record “speaks for itself, and that record includes a lot of dead terrorists.”

    Trump suggested Obama’s response to the massacre shows “there’s something going on,” and also said the President either “doesn’t get it or he gets it better than anybody understands.”

    Doesn’t he know how strong Trump is, we need him or we won’t have a country anymore.

  53. 53.

    ? Martin

    @Kay: I think Hillary is not nearly as willing to attack progressive ideas in the name of winning elections as almost everyone believes. She doesn’t want to do personal attacks on a Senator she needs for votes, and she doesn’t want to attack him ideologically and hurt liberal causes.

    But with Trump, there’s no cost to attacking. There’s no sympathy for him. There’s no downside to ideological attacks. He’s opened the door to personal attacks so she can go personal. I think she really worries about going too far and having her unfavorable rate go up, so likable Sanders presented a challenge that unlikable Trump doesn’t. I think her inclination is to hit VERY hard. Trump lets her hit as hard as she wants.

  54. 54.

    Immanentize

    @gogol’s wife: @JordanRules: When the President says, “Radical Islamic Terrorist” — BUT ONLY WHEN said by the President (or maybe the Democratic Candidate for President) will the shade covering everyone’s eyes drop and the world will be purified by righteous waters and holy flames and the four horsemen will ride forth to Denny’s for a late night grand slam and the seventh seal will be broken and then fixed by Willie Dixon the seventh son and the rapture will start at the Atlanta Airport accompanied by music from the newest winner of the Voice (not the woman shot in Florida) and everyone not-one-of-us will be declared one-of-them and thereby all voters allowed to vote (you know who I mean!) will write in “Christ on a Cracker” and there will be a godly return to earth complete with trumpets and firearms for all, some pot for every chicken hawk and a free copy of Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ.”

    Won’t that be a fine day?

  57. 57.

    Keith G

    @slag:

    Spending a good portion of the speech on IS is doing exactly what …

    …is needed to be done to drown out the hateful screed provided by Trump. Trump attacked today and Hillary did more than squash it. She reached down and surgically snipped off Trump’s rhetorical balls.

    I guess we will just have to disagree on the importance of that posture – on the importance of blunting what is normally in presidential politics the prime route of attack.

  58. 58.

    arsenal

    @geg6: I think she’s uncomfortable fending off attacks from “the left”. She doesn’t have to do that anymore.

  59. 59.

    O. Felix Culpa

    Email from Hillary’s campaign. Hits all the right points, in my view.

    On Sunday, Americans woke up to a nightmare: Another act of terrorism in a place no one expected it, a man with a gun in his hands and hate in his heart, apparently consumed by rage against LGBT Americans — and, by extension, against the openness and diversity that define our way of life.

    No matter how many times we endure attacks like this, the horror never fades. The murder of innocent people always breaks our hearts, tears at our sense of security, and makes us furious.

    So many of us are praying for everyone who was killed, for the wounded and those still missing, and for all the loved ones grieving today. As a mother, I can’t imagine what those families are going through.

    But we owe their memories and their families more than prayer. We must also take decisive action to strengthen our international alliances and combat acts of terror, to keep weapons of war off our streets, and to affirm the rights of LGBT Americans — and all Americans — to feel welcome and safe in our country.

    Here’s what we absolutely cannot do: We cannot demonize Muslim people.

    Inflammatory anti-Muslim rhetoric hurts the vast majority of Muslims who love freedom and hate terror. It’s no coincidence that hate crimes against American Muslims and mosques tripled after Paris and San Bernardino. Islamophobia goes against everything we stand for as a nation founded on freedom of religion, and it plays right into the terrorists’ hands.

    We’re a big-hearted, fair-minded country. We teach our children that this is one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all — not just for people who look a certain way, or love a certain way, or worship a certain way.

    I want to say this to all the LGBT people grieving today in Florida and across our country: You have millions of allies who will always have your back. I am one of them. From Stonewall to Laramie and now Orlando, we’ve seen too many examples of how the struggle to live freely, openly, and without fear has been marked by violence. We have to stand together. Be proud together. There is no better rebuke to the terrorists and all those who hate.

    This fundamentally American idea — that we’re stronger together — is why I’m so confident that we can overcome the threats we face, solve our challenges at home, and build a future where no one’s left out or left behind. We can do it, if we do it together.

    Thank you for standing together in love, kindness, and the best of what it means to be American.

    Hillary

  61. 61.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: Don’t even go there with the fucking clown shit. I’ve had as rough a couple of weeks as I’ve had in years and I will cut you if you show clowns above the fold without a warning. I’m not kidding.

  62. 62.

    joel hanes

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Would have been better without the quote from the Cold War version of the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Loyalty oaths should not be encouraged, and the theocratic sop that was added in the 50s because “godless Communism” is particularly un-American.

  64. 64.

    dogwood

    @arsenal:
    Attacks against her aren’t nessarily from “the left”. The data is pretty clear that more self-identifying liberals voted for Hillary than Bernie. 57% of his voters were moderates. I think Bernie intended to attract liberals and but he attracted more Hillary haters than leftists, so he ran with it. I have one Bernie or Bust friend whom I’m sure wouldn’t have given Bernie the time of day had Joe Biden run.

  66. 66.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Miss Bianca: I am jealous, although my beloved Layla will not permit kittehs. Or rather I won’t, because she seems to view them as mobile chew toys. That assertion is based on potentially troublesome behavior observed from an informed perspective; there have been no incidents or potential incidents given those observations.

    Happy kitteh holding. Did I mention my envy?

  67. 67.

    Luthe

    @slag: Amazingly, I think Hillary can walk and chew gum at the same time. Which is am important characteristic in a President. She spent a lot of time on Daesh, yes, but she also talked about supporting the LGBTQ community and the need to fight homophobia. And she did it without demonizing the Muslim community.

    Could she have talked more about the LGBTQ community and its challenges? Yes. And I wish she had. But in acknowledging LGBTQ people as people and not as human shields to be used to fuel knee-jerk Islamophobia, she’s still light years ahead of many politicians.

  69. 69.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @joel hanes: Perhaps true, but focusing on what really matters, she expressed grief and solidarity with the LGBT community (no gay-washing, no personal fluffing and crowing) AND she denounced anti-Muslim rhetoric, while affirming the inclusivity which is America at its best. I can sign on to that statement without reservation.

  70. 70.

    ? Martin

    @Betty Cracker: I think Hillary should have Trumps hands photoshopped to be small in all attack ads. Make them about 25% smaller. Do it consistently.

  73. 73.

    ? Martin

    And Washington Post just lost their press credentials with Trump. That’s awesome. Imagine NYT will be next.

  74. 74.

    Chris

    @joel hanes:

    Loyalty oaths should not be encouraged, and the theocratic sop that was added in the 50s because “godless Communism” is particularly un-American.

    Eh. I think it was more of a matter of using the fight against communism to put a patriotic spin on what was really a “fuck you” to American atheists, agnostics, religious liberals, and anyone else whose lifestyle didn’t suit the Christian chauvinists of the era.

  75. 75.

    Carl W

    @joel hanes: Plus, putting “under God” in the middle of a plea for religious tolerance made me start thinking: do you mean “under Jehovah”? or “under Allah”? (Or, I suppose, Zeus, or Shiva, or…)

    It feels like the happier you are with the “under God” phrase, the less likely you are to be religiously tolerant.

  76. 76.

    JPL

    @? Martin: Amazing. If we had a strong media, the others would stop covering him. He would be left with Breitbart and Fox…

    What an attack on freedom of press.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    @? Martin: Agreed. Hell, Republicans make PBO blacker in all their ooga-booga ads. Shrinking Trump’s hands is fair game IMO.

  78. 78.

    Miss Bianca

    @MomSense: I have to assuage my kitty jones here at work, because my Siberian Husky’s prey drive is so strong that a cat at home is just out of the question. So my crappy Monday just turned awesome when the store manager came to see me with the kitten in her hands. She was as happy to offload her as I was to receive her! : )

  80. 80.

    FlipYrWhig

    @dogwood: I think the entire Sanders phenomenon online and in social media consists of people who position themselves on the left (probably to the left of [how they see] Obama, definitely to the left of [how they see] Clinton) presuming that everyone voting for Sanders is also on the left, and fulminating that with so many people on the left it’s a travesty that the left doesn’t have more of an impact on the Democratic Party. But my feeling is that there aren’t that many people on the left to begin with, and probably half of the Sanders vote isn’t on the left, meaning that the left has an impact on the Democratic Party proportionate with its (relatively small) numbers. If 40% of the Democratic Party is the Sanders vote, and half of that is the left, and a portion of the Clinton vote is also the left, let’s call it 25% of the Democratic Party. Hell, be generous and call it 30%. Is it surprising that 30% of the Democratic Party doesn’t call the shots over the 70% to their right? Not to me.

  81. 81.

    hovercraft

    @? Martin:
    Nicole Wallace suggests it may be retaliation for the Veterans fundraising stories that forced him to shell out a million dollars.

  84. 84.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Carl W:
    @joel hanes

    Please. People are dead, others are injured, and major communities in this country are being targeted by Trump and his anti-democratic [fascist] supporters. While the wording of the pledge is a regrettable throwback, it’s truly a minor, dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin issue in the current climate. Let’s stay focused on the battles that really matter, namely protecting vulnerable communities and, FSM willing, enacting reasonable gun control to make it harder for bloody-minded killers to slaughter civilians.

  85. 85.

    JPL

    @hovercraft: It might be time to reintroduce the fairness doctrine. That prevented
    Nixon from preventing the Post to the White House. This is a dangerous development.

  86. 86.

    Trollhattan

    Because it’s a Hillary thread and because we’re still waiting for those closer-than-people-think CA primary results, today’s updated SoS office tally has the Clinton-Sanders margin at 12.4%. IIRC it was 12.5% Friday so there it is, the closing gap.

  87. 87.

    Trollhattan

    @hovercraft: @JPL:
    Trump is nuts [duh, I know, right?] to shut out the Village’s Official Paper. All they want is a fair shot at the tire swing and they’re all his to manipulate. He’s missing out on tonguebaths from Krauthammer and Jenn Rubin! Jesus, what a maroon.

  88. 88.

    hovercraft

    @JPL:
    Remember when Obama was being ‘mean’ to FOX and wanted to move them out of the front row at the white house to the back of the room, the beltway media went ape shit. The WHCA sent a formal letter crying censorship and intimidation. I wonder what they’ll say now.

  89. 89.

    ? Martin

    @Betty Cracker: I also think Hillary should have ready as a throw-away response line in a debate “At least my fingers are long enough to push the button.”

  90. 90.

    hovercraft

    @Trollhattan:
    Actually from what I’ve heard he has not been getting any love from any of the right wingers on the editorial page. I think Rubin is still a never-Trumper and he if anything is still on the fence. So maybe it’s an f u to them as well.

  93. 93.

    dmsilev

    @? Martin: According to TPM’s story,

    There have been a slew of reporters and publications that have been denied access to Trump’s campaign events, including The New York Times, BuzzFeed News, Telemundo, Politico and The Des Moines Register.

  97. 97.

    daverave

    “There have been some significant ups and downs in demand as political rhetoric and threats have spurred demand above the underlying normal rate,” Sturm Ruger Chief Executive Officer Michael Fifer said at the company’s annual meeting last month. “These spikes in demand have then been followed by periods when demand retreated as the threats to gun rights failed to materialize to quite the degree that had caused the spike in the first place.”

    The stock prices of gun manufacturers had their usual good day following a massacre at the hands of their products.

  99. 99.

    Amir Khalid

    I’m just now waiting to listen to the speech. How many minutes into the video before it starts?

  100. 100.

    Frank Wilhoit

    @Bruuuuce: Also, Shakespeare’s parody sonnet “Who is Sylvia?” (The Two Gentlemen of Verona, Act IV, Scene ii), which is cast in three stanzas of five lines each. It is amusing to note how often this songlet has been praised over the centuries, when its whole point is that the singer could not versify his way out of a wet paper bag if you gave him forty minutes and a paring knife. My setting (along with four other songs taken from the plays) is here.

  101. 101.

    Kay

    @? Martin:

    He’s a moron.

    Quite the exchange between Trump and Fox here on ISIS and its radio stations: “How do we allow them to have radio?”

    I got a piece of direct mail from Sean Hannity Saturday. One of his grifting orgs. It was addressed to “treasurer” at my address and I did use my address as treasurer for a state candidate once but the candidate wasn’t a Republican.

    It had a real dollar bill in it. I don’t know why because I didn’t read it but I kept the dollar. Boy, did they buy a bad list. Someone saw them coming.

  102. 102.

    ChrisH

    After listening to Clinton’s and Trump’s speeches, when it comes to the sophistication of their speeches and policies, one thing is clear:

    Hillary Clinton is running for President of the United States. Trump is running for class President.

  105. 105.

    dogwood

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    You don’t get it. If Hillary dropped the “under God” it would make a small section of the party feel good. It would also be the only thing the media would focus on and talk about for the next week.

  108. 108.

    Miss Bianca

    And now there are two…TWO kittens. Brother was screaming for sister downstairs, and so Pancho and Lefty are now *both* ensconced in my lap. Double the pleasure, double the fun, double the envy. You’re welcome. : )

  113. 113.

    agrippa

    I do not think that Clinton will have any trouble being hard on Trump; and, he gives her plenty of ammunition.
    She did not want to be hard on Sanders – and she was not, in my view. Clinton does not disagree all that seriously with Sanders ( at the end of the day, I think that people knew it) on policy. With her in the WH and a Dem majority in the Senate, Sanders ought to be very useful.

  117. 117.

    Miss Bianca

    @Omnes Omnibus: “I’m just reading the copy, here, ma’am”.

    FTR, I didn’t name them, either. I’m betting it was one of the guys in Contracting.

  119. 119.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    Will Trump make it to the convention? I am starting to think not. The previous GOP canidate advantage was the press doesn’t like Hilay, but Trump just declared war on the Washington Post. This is on top of a bad week, his idiot tweet Sunday and a horrible speach calling for religious oppression (I mean even the Bible Thumpers can’t be in love with that with their persacution complex)

  120. 120.

    J R in WV

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I got that email, and even though there was no request for a donation, I went to Hillary’s web site and signed up for monthly donations for the rest of the campaign.

    FSM help us if Trump is elected.

    The congress needs to pass amendments to gun-control laws that enable the government to determine that people who are border-line – being watched by the FBI, ATF, etc, can’t buy weapons. It’s crazy that people who can’t buy an airline ticket can buy an AR-15. The fact that this didn’t happen today shows the incompetence of Republican “leadership” of congress.

  122. 122.

    Felonius Monk

    @Kay:

    It had a real dollar bill in it.

    The very least you could do is send him a note thanking him for his contribution to Hillary’s campaign. :-)

  125. 125.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @J R in WV: I particularly liked the fact that she did not exploit the situation with a donation request. Indicative of her humanity and dignity, i.e. true class.

    Well-played by you too. Many thanks.

  126. 126.

    Carl W

    @dogwood: @O. Felix Culpa: I certainly don’t think she should have left out the “under God” part and kept the rest of the pledge… I agree that that would focus the media and the public on entirely the wrong debate. I do wonder if there might be an effective way to word that paragraph that doesn’t use the pledge at all, to avoid the issue; but I’m not a good enough writer to come up with it, so maybe not. I agree that it’s not a big issue either way.

  127. 127.

    Amir Khalid

    @hovercraft:
    As far as banning media orgs is concerned, Trump hasn’t gone as far as he could. For instance, he could ban a newspaper (if there were any still not banned) for giving Hillary favourable coverage.

  128. 128.

    aimai

    @dogwood: Right. The demand that Hillary Clinton make up, right now, in every speech, for the little indignities that Atheists have suffered over the last millenia is just bizarre to me. I’ve seen several people, usually Bernie or Busters, make the same argument. Because, look, what is most important in any given speech is not whether it advances the cause of eliminating guns, or soothes the raw emotions of the families of the dead, or reminds people that Hillary Clinton is an excellent candidate for President, or backs up the current President in some way, or anything else other than whether Clinton is willing to risk pissing off some voters to make (notionally) some atheists feel good about themselves, as good as Bernie did. Fuck that for the needy, narcissistic, leftier than thou crap that it is.

  129. 129.

    SciNY

    @? Martin: And we should start referring to him as “thimble” or “pinprick” or “widdle donny” (always lowercase because he hasn’t earned a capital letter).

  130. 130.

    davinatti

    Strange that she made this speech at a factory that makes helmets for the military. Also, she made her foreign policy big foreign policy speech in San Diego, home to the Pacific fleet. Gee, what on earth is she preparing us for?

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