Clinton demolishes Sanders in DC:
For those of you keeping track, that’s 6% points below the Crazification factor.
He had an opportunity to bow out gracefully after a good and impressive run with some victories under his belt and some dignity, but a combination of shitty advisors who never ever told him the truth and were honest with him, his own delusional thinking, and rage against the machine kept him “in the race,” although in spirit only, as we now see. Now no one will even listen to his speech tonight, if he gives one. I doubt the networks even cover it if he does with everything else going on.
Reports are he’s going to meet with Clinton tomorrow, and, well, they’ll prolly agree to pay down the debt he incurred wasting everyone’s time over the past couple of months and work towards incorporating many of his good ideas into the platform and hopefully stop the bullshit rhetoric about blowing up Philly.
Sanders 2016 is an ex-parrot, but hopefully many of his ideas will continue on and become part of the Democratic platform and his supporters will join the party and help move us forward and past der Trumpenfuhrer.
Corner Stone
“It has ceased to be.”
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Zero Fucks to Give
(photo)
Corner Stone
Honestly I could not be erred to give a shit if BS wanted to continue all the way through to the convention. This was over after MA. That’s just a fact.
But I am slowly growing godsdamned tired that this fucking guy continues to demand larger and larger chunks of how the D party progresses into the general and who their personnel are/will be.
You lost rumplesuitskin.
schrodinger's cat
I didn’t know that Baud is Rocky IRL.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Sanders’s remarks on the primaries ending (clip)
p.a.
Everyone knows DC doesn’t count. Deesn’t even have a Rep. Curious, that. Some sort of historical anomaly, possibly relating to demographics. Probably should be some sort of investigation to understand it.
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat: Rocky is a political genius. We need to combine forces.
Baud
It’s been an honor and a privilege. Now let’s get this thing done in November!
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Sanders responds on calls to concede (clip)
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
Bernie endorsed anit-choice Marci Kaptur.
amk
even fucking ted crud caught the clue and stfu.
gf120581
Actually, I think Sanders is meeting with Hillary now. Hope she makes it clear that whatever leverage he thought he had is now nonexistent.
NotMax
So this is how the primaries end. Not with a harangue but a simper.
Baud
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: She’s a sitting Congresswoman. Hilary will probably endorse her too.
Thoughtful David
Sanders is still managing to tick me off, though, with his speech today where he claimed that the civil rights and women’s rights movements came about because “we” pushed for them. It was actually because DEMOCRATS pushed for those things. Yeah, I know Sanders has been on our side and pushed for these things too, but his effort to diminish the role of Democrats is very irritating. Had it been Sanders alone, his little Independent-y self, none of those things would have happened. It was because Democrats have been pushing for these things that they’ve happened. He needs to get over himself.
Corner Stone
@gf120581:
I hope she has a large signing book for the Vince Foster funeral on the coffee table.
Mary G
@Corner Stone: @efgoldman: Bernie is just pining for the fjords.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Hillary comments on what was discussed during the meeting (clip)
maya
@p.a.: Yes. They have no representation, but they are taxed anyway. Tyranny! Washington D.C. should secede from the union, or, become a political Vatican City with their own stamps and Post Office..
Baud
@Thoughtful David: That’s a lot to read into “we.”
TheMightyTrowel
@Thoughtful David: Actually, I think you’ll find that democrats eventually got involved but it was because non-white people, women, queer people, etc. – some of whom were essentially banned from voting and thus not party members – pushed for them.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mary G:
Bernie will never fly on Air Fjorce One.
Baud
@TheMightyTrowel: Plus civil rights was really Dem vs. Dem at the time.
Mike J
@schrodinger’s cat: Rocky, I’ve never been in love before
Don’t know if I can do it
Chris
With Trump’s tiff with Obama and Clinton over Orlando, Sanders is yesterday’s news. The primary is over and the general under way. Sanders is done, he just didn’t realize it.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@SiubhanDuinne: that’s okay. AF-One doesn’t serve lobster appetizers.
Corner Stone
@Chris:
He realized it. That’s the BS part of the problem.
rikyrah
A Trump Rally in Greensboro “Anger in here is palpable”
in which a sane man live tweets insanity
Please read the Storify
Aleta
Now stand aside, worthy adversary!
‘Tis but a scratch!
dmsilev
I wonder whether he understands that the longer he holds out, the less actual leverage he’ll have. Especially for the process-related stuff. I can understand fighting for commitments on platform planks, but declaring holy war in the name of paring back the number of DNC superdelegates? I think most people will look at Sanders, look at Trump, look back and Sanders and just roll their eyes.
amk
Moving on to GE, do you think VA is in play?
NotMax
@p.a.
Actually, does have a Rep (technically a delegate to the House) and has since 1970. Cannot cast a yea or nay on legislative floor votes but otherwise may vote (in committees and involving procedural matters).
There’s also a shadow Congressional delegation in D.C., which functions as a lobbying arm for the district.
hellslittlestangel
This made me laugh out loud. Thank you, JC.
Baud
@amk: I think Virginia should be relatively safe. (Knock on wood).
dmsilev
In any event, we’ll find out which way he’s going to jump by Thursday. It took Hillary a couple of days to publicly concede in 2008, though she told Obama a day or so earlier than the public announcement, so it’s fair to give Sanders that long before really slamming him. Of course, one could argue that she won the nomination a week ago, so by the 2008 calendar he should have thrown in the towel last Friday.
amk
@Baud: I hope so. Kenyan won it twice, the first dem to do so since FDR.
Iowa Old Lady
@rikyrah: Whoa. That was scary.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@amk:Hmmmm, …..No (link)
p.a.
@NotMax: The Rep. is on the DC committee? A Dem I assume.
JCT
@rikyrah: “I don’t like Hitler comparisons but that was positively like Nuremburg rally level crazy” – and then he backs it up. Good lord , horrifying. Clinton needs to pound this reprobate and his pyschotic supporters into the ground .
I need a shower just from reading this .
One thing – they are truly equal opportunity, they seem to hate everyone.
NotMax
Ought to point out that today is Trump’s 70th birthday.
(If his birth certificate is to be believed.)
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
???????
redshirt
I shot the DWS, I did not shoot the Sanders.
NotMax
@p.a.
Yup, a D. Currently Eleanor Holmes Norton.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@NotMax: Someone pointed out if proves he’s human and not an orangutan.
MomSense
@rikyrah:
Wow, that was horrible. It really is disgusting.
Trump needs to suffer a humiliating defeat.
redshirt
@NotMax:
I favorited this.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
planetjanet
Can someone tell Sanders how elections work? The Democratic party does not decide on voter registration. It will take 50 state legislatures to enact same day registration. Good luck with that. Similarly, the decision of open or closed primaries is also state law. The convention can’t do a thing about that.
SciNY
Wow, what a tight race in D.C. — for second place.
JCT
@NotMax: My eldest called to wish me a happy birthday today and then asked if I knew I shared my b-day with that reprobate, Trump. The horror.
dmsilev
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: You can thank Bill Maher for goading Trump and his legal team into that statement.
Baud
@JCT: Happy birthday, reprobate!
SiubhanDuinne
@rikyrah:
Dear gods that is chilling.
redshirt
I haven’t shot anyone or anything, for the record. It was a punny joke, yeah?
srv
If Weld is pulling 9%, I wonder what Bernie can pull.
Baud
@srv: My finger.
dmsilev
@planetjanet: In California, the open vs closed decision is made by the parties; this year, the Republicans had a closed primary and the Democrats had a semi-open one (Democrats and no-party people could votes, but anyone affiliated with a different party could not). Not sure who makes the decisions for other states.
In general, though, I’ll take Sanders’ wailing about closed primaries seriously if and only if he starts calling for the abolition of caucuses.
chopper
well, democratic socialists stun easily.
Princess
I think Sanders has waited too long to withdraw and endorse. A huge chunk of his supporters have already gone over to Hillary, happily or grudgingly. Out of what’s left, another block will never vote for her and will hate him for endorsing her. That doesn’t leave much. In order to have leverage into the future, Bernie needed to be perceived as being at the head of a huge army of progressives, leading them into the party to vote for Clinton. He probably would have been more powerful if he had dropped out, say, after NY.
Emma
@rikyrah: Jesus Lord Christ. That’s terrifying.
dmsilev
@rikyrah: That was not pleasant to read. Not at all. But very worthwhile, because we all need to understand that this isn’t a joke. Maybe it was at one point, but we’re far beyond that now.
SiubhanDuinne
@p.a.:
Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton.
magurakurin
I don’t accept that Sanders brought any new ideas to the party at all. The party has favored universal health care for a long time now. That one particular solution, single payer, isn’t the absolute focus of that goal doesn’t change the fact that all Democrats believe access to health care is a right. And the PPACA has made it an act of law that people are at the least obligated to have coverage, which is a huge step towards it being legally enshrined as a right. Democrats have always supported the minimum wage and increases and attempts to index it to ensure automatic raises. The difference between Sanders 15 dollar proposal and Patty Murray’s 12 dollar proposal Clinton supports is only around the margins. His free college plan is stupid and ill thought out and Obama had been talking about free community college, which makes more sense and Clinton backs, long before Sanders proposed his bullshit fake free college proposal. Clinton’s proposals were solidly liberal when she started and she really didn’t offer anything new in response to Sanders. He just isn’t all that.
And now his big demands are the removal of the DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Shultz, who is gone after the election anyway; reform of the superdelegate system that everyone wants to do anyway; and allowing independents in partisan party primary elections, which isn’t in the control of the party (states decide voter registration regulations) and is a bad idea anyway. Interestingly he didn’t demand the end of the caucus system…I wonder why?
again, sadly, I have to say, Fuck Bernie Sanders.
Davis X. Machina
Another primary season, another lukewarm, moderate, soi-disant ‘liberal’ trimmer gets the Democratic nomination.
Some day an out-and-proud-of-it — politically, not gender-wise — progressive, someone with a history of attachment to left causes and policies, perhaps even a Socialist, will run in the Democratic primaries.
When that happens, the heretofore silent, naturally social-democratic scores of millions of non-voters out — they have to be out there — there will swamp the process, and create a tsunami of support that will hand that candidate not just the nomination, but the White House.
A boy can dream….
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Snort.
Thoughtful David
@Baud:
The whole interview reads that way.
Maybe I’m too sensitive about this, but here in Virginia this spring a group of Sanders supporters was saying how they “want to push the state to the left.” Well, 3 years ago VA elected a Democratic governor, Lt. Governor, and Atty. Genl., all of whom have significantly pushed some liberal issues. And who was it out knocking on doors and making phone calls to get them elected? Do you think it was any of these Sanders supporters? No, it was not. None of this group I’m talking about lifted a finger except maybe to vote. But they did none of the hard work. Now they’re wanting to criticize those of us who have been slogging away election after election. Fuck that shit.
And yes, I know that Dems have not always been the first nor always leaders in various liberal causes. But all of the Supreme Court justices and all of the laws passed and regulations written that have made liberal progress have been made by the Democrats. Not the Republicans, not the libertarians, not the Constitution Party, not the Greens, not the Independents. The Democrats.
nellcote
@NotMax:
flags flying at half staff in his honor with a spanking from President Obama this morning for a bonus.
planetjanet
@dmsilev: In Virginia, there is no party registration at all. There is no means for the state to control a closed primary.
schrodinger's cat
@magurakurin: At this point Bernie Sanders is a sad side show. He is a noun, a verb, Wall Street and big banks.
Baud
@Thoughtful David: I hear ya.
Chris
@dmsilev:
I can relate to it: that was exactly how I felt when reading the comments sections of right wing blogs, years ago. (The summer of 2010 with the “Ground Zero” “Mosque” was especially rich in such material). I still see it on Facebook and Twitter from time to time.
It’s who they are. It’s who they’ve always been. But now they have a Fuhrer.
burnspbesq
A song for Davis X. Machina.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54BCLYNkFKg
Mary G
@rikyrah: Awful
Aleta
@rikyrah: Heinous. I hope the brave protestors and the children stayed safe. My blood runs cold at Trump bringing such evil in a crowd to life again.
redshirt
@Davis X. Machina: Mmm, that’s good satire.
NotMax
@JCT
Have a happy. You deserve it.
(It’s also Flag Day and the 241st anniversary of the creation of the U.S. Army (originally the American Continental Army).)
redshirt
@Chris: Thank Gads FSM he cannot rally his own legitimate organization with an armed wing totally prepared for violence. He’s all bluster to date and maybe existing racist groups rally to his banner, but they were already racist fucks and useless.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
You misspelled Obama.
nutella
@Davis X. Machina:
That will be a big change from that anti-gun-control, pro-military-intervention, anti-immigration reform guy this year who said he was progressive.
dogwood
@magurakurin:
Amen.
Carolina Dave
@rikyrah: Yes here in my town. Positive news, estimated 5200 attendees. Venue holds 6k+. Most of the attendees or whack jobs, were from out of town. A lot from Southern Virginia. Me I went to a baseball game and ate Thai food.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: I saw it earlier. Scary as shit.
Bobby Thomson
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: you loaded the wrong clip. This is the Sanders post-D.C. victory speech.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Seething inchoate rage. I have to, I want to, believe that maybe there is some way to capture and direct that rage into constructive channels, but if there is, I don’t know what it looks like or how to make it happen. But I have to agree with dmsilev that we need to read this and other accounts to reinforce that Trump is no longer a joke (if he ever was).
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: Its not about economics either, this resentment.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: He is no joke, but, oddly, the best way to defeat him, IMO, is to make him an object of ridicule.
Bobby Thomson
@schrodinger’s cat: At this point?
JCT
@NotMax: Sure beats sharing it with the vulgar talking yam. Should have celebrated with a Trump piñata.
@Baud: Thanks, LOL!
dogwood
@Omnes Omnibus:
I disagree. There’s nothing wrong with some ridicule, but the democrats better be very clear how dangerous this man is; it’s not a joke anymore. Every republican running for office needs to be tied to this man and the horrific things he says. This is serious business not entertainment. Let the comedians mock him non stop.
redshirt
@SiubhanDuinne: I can harness this power.
Omnes Omnibus
@dogwood: People won’t vote for a person who is a joke. What Clinton, Obama, and Warren are doing right now is perfect.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@magurakurin:
Seriously. Bernie lost the plot early on. When he got called out on the “how” of things, he had nothing to offer, and started flailing around. It turned into the cult of Birdie, and as time has gone on, he’s come up small. He’s a small man as it turns out. He’s got a very narrow window now to do the right thing for the country, but I don’t think he’s up to it. He’s a narcissist like Trump.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: And Clinton was very capable of doing it while tying him around Ryan and McConnell today.
Mnemosyne
@dogwood:
I disagree, because the surest way to drive a dangerous person nuts and peel off their followers is to mock them. If Trump is a laughingstock, nobody’s going to vote for him.
There’s a difference between not taking someone seriously and deliberately undermining someone using humor. I think both Obama and Clinton take the threat of Trump very seriously, but they also know that the best way to undermine him and his support is by using humor.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Thoughtful David:
Just want to see that in print again.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
I saw a poll that has Hillary ahead of Trump in Kansas. We need to keep the pedal to the medal and all get behind Team Hillary.
Omnes Omnibus
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: METAL!
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Omnes Omnibus:
That too!!!
pat
@rikyrah:
I read it. Horrifying. I wish the MSM would cover a rally like this. Really tells you who the “base” is.
dm
@planetjanet: well, the Democratic party can make same day registration a goal in its platform. I doubt Sanders will have to push hard for that. But I think he’s been building his portfolio — building up his delegate count in order for his supporters to have some say (and investment) in the future of the party. And maybe to keep Hillary from naming Jim Manchin or Rahm Emmanuel or DWS as VP. Remember Al Gore’s choice of Joe Lieberman?
Omnes Omnibus
@dm:
What about HRC’s 2016 campaign gives you any indication that she might do anything like that? The idea is asinine.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’ve had the identical thought.
Jeffro
@Chris: the general started back in mid-March
Jeffro
@amk: nope – suburban moms in NoVA are having none of Trump’s bs
terry chay
Sanders ends his campaign the way he started it: a bunch of feel-good empty promises but no actual workable plan.
Keep on “fighting,” white boy!
Miss Bianca
@Thoughtful David: Even in what I had considered to be my “safe space” on FB – a friend’s group where we post political stuff – I was confronted with some woman whining that she wished Hillary Clinton was “a true Democrat”. I lost it. I absolutely lost it. Then I thought, “forget it, MB. It’s Facebook. There *is* no safe space from cluelessness.”
Miss Bianca
@NotMax: @redshirt: Agreed, that was awesome.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: It is really weird, but I have very few FB people who are RWNJs. Very little politics on my FB, and what I do see tends to be vaguely pro-Hillary. I have muted my gun-nut cousin and my libertarian frat-bro. But that’s it.
dogwood
@Omnes Omnibus:
I guess you watched something different than I did. Over the last two days Clinton and Obama weren’t mocking or ridiculing Trump. They were laying down the law. We aren’t going to win this with ridicule alone.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: This would be a Sanders True Believer, I think. Of which I had a fair number counted among friends and acquaintances. Hard to say how many still bending that way now – I’ve stopped looking at FB for anything. And I was only on there today to post a photo of the office kittens. Should have left it at that.
Omnes Omnibus
@dogwood: I guess we interpreted it differently. I think we watch the same things. I also think that you missed my point. People don’t vote for laughingstocks. Trump is on his way to being one. If he is, he will not win.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Me. I look at it to see how my nephew and niece are doing in various sports thingies.
ETA: Or other good things about the kids.
terry chay
@dm:
Not going to happen. You actually think the Democratic Party has learned NOTHING since the 90’s? Every loss was a very expensive lesson.
randy khan
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
I’d sure like to believe that, but it seems like fool’s gold.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: That seems like much the best usage for it. And to keep up with old friends I’d have lost touch with otherwise.
LanceThruster
Sanders/Stein 2016!
different-church-lady
You know how you can tell it’s really really over for Bernie? Only one of our reliable Sanders trolls is pushing back on this front-pager troll.
ET
I live in DC and someone why I bothered to vote (I voted early because I wasn’t I was getting back in time to vote) and this was why. I wanted to put the period at the end of the sentence. That and I live in a hipster paradise- I thought Bernie would have pulled in more votes. Maybe he lost some votes because the writing was on the wall?
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: I muted most of the vocal wingers on my Facebook feed; the political activity there is much more Berniac than anything else, with some of them now making calls for Democratic unity, and one nihilist/anarchist Hillary-hater now cheering for Trump to burn the country down.
artem1s
@magurakurin: Hear! Hear!
WaterGirl
@rikyrah: Terrifying to read that. Ugh.
Paul in KY
@JCT: A very Happy Birthday to you!
A scrofulous birthday to the Combover Caligula.
Paul in KY
@Omnes Omnibus: Agree. Pres. Obama showed how to do him in at that Correspondents Dinner beatdown.
Paul in KY
@randy khan: Think we would take Utah before Kansas.
Miss Dashwood
Bernie is “all mouth and no trousers” (as the Brits say). His purported demands are nonsensical and the longer he holds out without a concession the more damage he does to his own political future. The time to graciously bow out on his own terms passed long ago.
joel hanes
@Davis X. Machina:
PROG: Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a progressive majority out of my
asshat!REALITY: That trick never works.