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Two Ledes

by $8 blue check mistermix|  June 17, 20165:14 pm| 250 Comments

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I’m about half past give-a-shit on Bernie v. Hillary, because as the X-ray clearly shows, this thing was broken long ago.  Anything Bernie says now is not going to amount to much.  If you want some evidence, look no further than the lede of a Guardian story titled Bernie Sanders: I will work with Hillary Clinton to stop Donald Trump:

Bernie Sanders has urged his supporters to look beyond the Democratic presidential nomination in a speech that stopped short of fully endorsing Hillary Clinton but made clear he was no longer actively challenging her candidacy.

In an anticlimatic speech that signalled the effective end of a 14-month campaign odyssey, the Vermont senator insisted his “political revolution continues” despite Clinton’s effective victory in the delegate race.

I think we can all agree that the Guardian got their 5 W’s and an H right on this one, and the second paragraph shows that every proclamation from Senator Sanders will be accompanied by a “but you lost” footnote.  So it goes when you lose an election.

Compare this bucolic story of party comity and unity to the latest Post story on the coming 360° shitshow in Cleveland:

Dozens of Republican convention delegates are hatching a new plan to block Donald Trump at this summer’s party meetings, in what has become the most organized effort so far to stop the businessman from becoming the GOP nominee.

Now there’s the top of an inverted pyramid that makes the Bernie v Hillary situation sound like a lavender-scented cotillion.

 

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    I got an email from the DSCC asking me to thank Bernie.

    It’s like they don’t even know they’re the Establishment.

  2. 2.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 17, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    I hate lavender. Fuck you, Hillbot.

  3. 3.

    Rabble Arouser

    June 17, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    But, but, both sides!

  4. 4.

    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    Unruh, Minor, Lonegan and a number of others involved in the effort are former Cruz supporters, but insist they are not working on his behalf. Cruz has said that he would not accept the presidential nomination as a result of an attempt to strip Trump of the prize

    And Rubio won’t run for reelection to the Senate!

  5. 5.

    FlipYrWhig

    June 17, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi Bernie Obi-Wan Sanders: You can’t win, Darth Establishment. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

  6. 6.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Quality bigfoot.

  7. 7.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Will no one rid me of this meddlesome primary?

  8. 8.

    Carl W

    June 17, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    I know this isn’t going to happen, but wouldn’t it be funny if: The Republican convention manages to enact the nuclear option and unbind the delegates, but then the delegates can’t agree on anybody. Eventually, they nominate Trump after a week of acrimony, on something like the 73rd ballot.

    (Looks like my Firefox spell-checker is broken… it’s telling me that every word in this post is misspelled, including “the”.)

  9. 9.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    To add to the general horrible melodrama around Trump, I think he was scheduled to go to Great Britain sometime right after the Brexit vote, but now that PM Cox was assassinated by a right winger with fealty to an American right wing group, and Trump being associated with a nationalist ideology — well — I am not thinking that he would be received with open arms. (The Brits were already not too hot to see him, but this will make it way way worse, I am thinking). Can’t wait to hear them insist that he NOT visit them…

  10. 10.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    Forget Trump, Sanders and that Hitlery clown. Let’s focus on what’s really important:
    Jerry Lawler suspended by WWE after domestic violence arrest
    “Wrestling legend Jerry “The King” Lawler, 66, was arrested early Friday morning after an alleged domestic dispute between him and his 27-year-old fiancée that involved a gun, according to police.”

    And his 27 yr old fiancee…Long live The King!

  11. 11.

    Mike in NC

    June 17, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    @Baud: Have seen emails claiming Rubio is having second thoughts. Couldn’t handle having to find a real job.

  12. 12.

    schrodinger's cat

    June 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    @Elie: Cox was an MP, (member of the Parliament.) not PM (Prime Minister). Typically the leader of the majority in the lower house of the Parliament, that would be Cameron.

    Sorry, pedants got to pedant.

  13. 13.

    Mike in NC

    June 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    @Elie: Drumpf has been eager to meet Boris Johnson to discuss hair care regimens.

  14. 14.

    PsiFighter37

    June 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Baud: They are being way too kind to someone who has been giving them the middle finger for far too long at this point.

  15. 15.

    Technocrat

    June 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    “The loser won’t concede” is an awkward definition of “party comity”. If the Sharks were sitting out on the ice telling the Pens “Come back! It’s not over!” the story wouldn’t be about comity. But w/e.

    My daughter is 19 and lives in Philly. The convention would have been an excellent experience for her. Under the circumstances, I have advised her in no uncertain terms to stay away from it. Being near the intersection of Philadelphia police (of Move fame), angry B-Bros and bored city youts is like asking for an ass-whipping – from one quarter or another.

    I agree we’re in better shape than the GOP, by far. But we’ve had better years.

  16. 16.

    Timurid

    June 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    The Republicans should just throw Trump to the wolves and accept a loss in 2016.
    If they screw around with the convention rules, whatever candidate emerges will still lose… and they will have set themselves up for problems down the road. Every future convention will be a potential disaster, and it will only be a matter of time before a Republican candidate with a chance to win the general gets derailed by some hostile faction. Of course they could just change the rules back in 2020, but that by itself sets a horrible precedent…

  17. 17.

    Chris

    June 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    In an anticlimatic speech

    That’s the exact phrase I’d associate with Bernie at this point.

    A campaign ending not with a bang, but a whimper…

  18. 18.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Elie: I think I read a few days ago that he had cancelled, or at least postponed, his trip. But I’ll admit I didn’t pay much attention. (By the way, I’m sure you know this, but Jo Cox was not PM.)

    ETA: Schrödinger’s Kitteh got there first on the “PM” thing.

  19. 19.

    schrodinger's cat

    June 17, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    Question for the hive mind.
    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

  20. 20.

    Trollhattan

    June 17, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    I say, I like the cut of this Lawler fellow’s jib. A 27 year-old, well done, chap! That pesky gun business, not terribly impressive, old boy.

  21. 21.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    He is due to visit UK on June 24 right after the vote but with the delay due to the PM’s murder and by who,,,,

  22. 22.

    Aleta

    June 17, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    @Baud: Has anyone approached you about vetting him for your Vice?

  23. 23.

    Chris

    June 17, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    @Timurid:

    The Republicans should just throw Trump to the wolves and accept a loss in 2016.

    Just throwing everything they have into state and county and city level races would do a hell of a lot more. Abandon the White House, for now.

  24. 24.

    debbie

    June 17, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Ah, Becket, we hardly knew ye!

  25. 25.

    Chris

    June 17, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Money :D

  26. 26.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Right — not Prime Minister..(sorry mis-wrote — MP).. Didn’t see any delays on that topic on my very cursory google search but maybe you are right…

  27. 27.

    Trollhattan

    June 17, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    Is a coed on summer break out of the question?

  28. 28.

    debbie

    June 17, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Yes, Marco’s still hearing the call to service.

  29. 29.

    Chyron HR

    June 17, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Hamilton tickets.

  30. 30.

    jl

    June 17, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @Baud: Buad! 2016! hasn’t endorsed Hillary Clinton. And I’ve seen no announcement from him that the Baud! 2016! ‘Party Hearty’ revolution will continue. I’m confused and looking for his leadership. I don’t know what to do.

  31. 31.

    debbie

    June 17, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    A gift card. Or a check.

  32. 32.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 17, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Timurid: @Chris: That’s what I would do, if I were them. Full disclosure: I am not.

  33. 33.

    Mnemosyne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I gave my nephew cash. He’s going into the Marines as soon as he gets a report date, so giving him anything else was going to be pointless.

  34. 34.

    Lolis

    June 17, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    My little nephew Ben was born today and he is sick of hearing about Bernie already.

    ETA: I have a bet with my 9 year old nephew that Bernie will lose. It’s for a $100 and I want to collect. Another reason for Bernie to make it official.

  35. 35.

    Tony J

    June 17, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @Elie:

    Yeah… I think that whoever might be down as the Wigged Prick’s official hosts in the UK are, as we speak, on the phone to his camp pleading, begging, threatening, sobbing like snot-drenched four year olds for him to please, puh-leez, stay the frigging hell away from them. Doesn’t matter how scummy they are personally, no one wants to be associated with the Trumpencock right now, it’s just… not cool.

  36. 36.

    MisterForkbeard

    June 17, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: My family has a tradition of buying the new HS graduate a really nice watch. But I wouldn’t recommend that for everybody.

    If you want something they’ll appreciate now: a gift card, or something that he really likes (video games, signed book, a signed sportsball jersey, something). If you want to give him something he’ll appreciate *later* in life, I’d go with something like the watch. Maybe a really nice pocketknife, or a something that really signifies he’s grown up. Maybe get something signed by the whole extended family for him.

  37. 37.

    sm*t cl*de

    June 17, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    In an anticlimatic speech

    “I hate this weather”.

    Oh Grauniad, never change.

  38. 38.

    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @jl: I’m no Bernie. The primary is over and I lost. I fully endorse Hillary Clinton for president.*

    *Endorsement void in the event of indictment.

  39. 39.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: My parents gave me luggage.

  40. 40.

    Mike in NC

    June 17, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Best Buy gift card?

  41. 41.

    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: A gift card is always appreciated. My niece loved barbie dolls in the day, so I found a graduate Barbie and added the gift card. She is way beyond the Barbie doll stage since this was decades ago. If he likes a particular car, wrap it up and add the gift card.

  42. 42.

    Brachiator

    June 17, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    Cash is always good. Better even than a gift card. If others give money as well, the grad might be able to assemble a pile for something relatively spectacular. But if you know the tastes and desires of the grad, then a more personal gift works as well.

  43. 43.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    @Lolis:

    ETA: I have a bet with my 9 year old nephew that Bernie will lose. It’s for a $100 and I want to collect. Another reason for Bernie to make it official.

    Lose what? An eye? Toes on his left foot? Anything regarding a political loss is like child abuse and you should be ashamed of yourself as this has been over for weeks.

  44. 44.

    Xboxershorts

    June 17, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    @Chris:

    A campaign ending not with a bang, but a whimper…

    In all fairness, a LOT of his supporters needed to be let down softly….

  45. 45.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @Lolis:

    My little nephew Ben was born today and he is sick of hearing about Bernie already.

    How about Hillary’s damn emails? Is he sick of Hillary’s damn emails?

    (Congratulations to you, wise little Ben, and his proud parents!)

  46. 46.

    Amir Khalid

    June 17, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @JPL:
    And if he likes a Lamborghini Aventador?

  47. 47.

    cokane

    June 17, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    really gonna be fascinating if a block trump effort emerges. i just don’t see how they can do it though, and it seems the end result would be just as bad — a blowout loss in Nov and a damaged brand going forward.

  48. 48.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 17, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Best present I got for graduating high school was leaving the premises and never returning.

  49. 49.

    Just One More Canuck

    June 17, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: a hint?

  50. 50.

    MattF

    June 17, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    Here is an anti-Trump diatribe from Matthew Continetti. For the record, Continetti is Bill Kristol’s son-in-law. (!)

  51. 51.

    Tony J

    June 17, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    A nice wallet, something slim and unobtrusive. No logo, no colours, just dark brown leather. A ‘going out’ wallet, something that will fit in any pocket without leaving an unsightly bump.

    With – money – in it.

  52. 52.

    Mike J

    June 17, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    Are his college plans firm? Find out if the good pizza place or sandwich shop near campus does gift cards.

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Just One More Canuck: I lived there all summer then went away to college – with my stuff packed in the luggage.

  54. 54.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @Elie:
    @Tony J:

    I misremembered. It was the stopover in Ireland he cancelled.

  55. 55.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Tony J:

    Actually, I don’t think that he was “invited”. Said it was for “business”? Who knows….

  56. 56.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 17, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Die cast.

  57. 57.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I don’t think Baud! ever gave them the middle finger, he might have mooned them.

  58. 58.

    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Amir Khalid: A friend’s granddaughter loved one of the lamborghini auto. I can’t remember which one. For her 5th birthday, they went to look at them. She was thrilled.

  59. 59.

    p.a.

    June 17, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    Hil and Party to Bern:
    “What are you going to do? Bleed on me?”

  60. 60.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    The high school graduation gift I cherished longest was a set of three desk reference books (dictionary, thesaurus, and atlas/gazetteer) bound in matching tan ostrich leather. Used those books for many decades, until Southern humidity and bugs damaged them physically and the Internet made the contents somewhat obsolete. (Although I still do dearly love thumbing through all kinds of reference books.)

  61. 61.

    jeffreyw

    June 17, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Trollhattan: Turns out it wasn’t a gun, he was just glad to see her.

  62. 62.

    Miss Bianca

    June 17, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @srv: boots! one of the best prezzies *ever*. But I would go for these.. They will last forever well-cared-for, *plus* American-made! If you care for such things, which I do.

  63. 63.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Xboxershorts:

    I believe you there… But whose fault was it that he extended this campaign keeping Hillary as a villain to the very last? Who didn’t start working his followers into reality when it was clear he wasn’t gonna win? Ahhh never mind…. not worth going around about it again….

    On another question re Bernie: where was he during the Democratic filibuster against guns? Heard he sent a tweet.
    That would have signaled something very important and instead….

  64. 64.

    MattF

    June 17, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Reminds me– the gift I got my nephew for his bar mitzvah was the Times Atlas of the World– the big one.

  65. 65.

    Technocrat

    June 17, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    It depends on the young man, and your budget. I’m honestly not in the “give him cash” camp though, because I think you want him to have a thing (or an experience) that he associates with you, and your pride in him.

    ETA: Were I that age again, I’d have loved an Alienware laptop. But I am a nerd.

  66. 66.

    Leto

    June 17, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Baud! campaign merch.

  67. 67.

    Jeffro

    June 17, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @cokane: if they don’t dump Trump (or more importantly, Trumpism) they’ll get to do this all over again in 2020

    And 2024

    And…

  68. 68.

    Jeffro

    June 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Tony J: nice wallet + cash is a great call

  69. 69.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Pre-internet I had a mission to obtain every reference book I could get my hands on. Every subject possible.

    Now, whenever I have to move this collection, I regret it. But I’ll be damned if I get rid of it.

  70. 70.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Red Wings are the best. Last forever and are really comfortable when you get the right fit. I had steel toed lace ups for work which I sadly lost in a camping incident. Still have a pair of insulated hunting boots that are awesome.
    When my dad was still employed by the railroad he received a discount on RW boots. I wish I had known then what I know now as I would have bought 3 or 4 pairs of different styles. Of course I didn’t have the money then either, but oh well.

  71. 71.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @Leto: It’s 98% off now too! Great savings!

  72. 72.

    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I think you can’t go wrong with technology. (Depending on the kid, of course.) Three years ago, I asked the 18-year old male in my life what he wanted, and he wanted an iPad for college. He’s one of my favorite people in the world, so I always splurge on his gifts. This year, for his 21st birthday, I asked him what he wanted and he wanted money toward an iPhone 7. I told him to find out how much it cost and get back to me. He went with the iPhone upgrade program, where you pay a certain amount a month and can get a new phone every year. I gave him 6 months of his iPhone.

    For some christmas & birthday gift in between, he wanted money toward a GoPro.

    @Technocrat: I am not a “give cash” person, either. I like knowing what I got him and I like that he may think of me now and again when he looks at his iPad, iPhone or GoPro.

  73. 73.

    eclare

    June 17, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I got luggage as well.

  74. 74.

    Technocrat

    June 17, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    @srv:

    but it’s an 18 month waiting list

    Yikes. The only thing I’m waiting 18 months for is two children.

  75. 75.

    RandomMonster

    June 17, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    Now there’s the top of an inverted pyramid

    I didn’t know shit could be stacked in an inverted pyramid.

  76. 76.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    June 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Mike J:

    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    My mother gave me an umbrella, a pillow, a dictionary and a bottle of whiskey. I was going to college and made good use of all of them. Still have the umbrella and the dictionary, 39 years later.

  77. 77.

    Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)

    June 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Close. He farted in their general direction.

  78. 78.

    Ruckus

    June 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    And changed the locks?

  79. 79.

    MattF

    June 17, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @RandomMonster: It’s a Masonic symbol for the Republican party.

  80. 80.

    Leto

    June 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Honest answer is similar to @WaterGirl: when my son graduated I bought him a new gaming PC. I bought all the components, and then he and I put it together. Installed all the software, did all the updates and basically just taught him basic computer stuff. We had a good time and it was a good memory.

  81. 81.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You know what I got for a graduation gift? A suitcase.

  82. 82.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    I am excited. I have been studying for weeks for the evidence-based design exam (EDAC) to bolster my value as a healthcare architect, and I took the test today and found out that I passed pretty handily. Scored 720 out of a possible 800. I was hoping to get 750 because that’s what I got on the SAT and GRE, but I’ll take it.

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Suzanne: Go, you! You work so hard, I bet it helps to see results like that!

  84. 84.

    Technocrat

    June 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    My mother gave me an umbrella, a pillow, a dictionary and a bottle of whiskey

    Come on, one or more of those must have been enchanted. Or I’ve read too much Harry Potter.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Ruckus: Nope.

    @Technocrat: It was the whiskey.

  86. 86.

    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Gotta say, in the olden days that was the gift of choice. I think mine was a Samsonite set.

  87. 87.

    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: We (all 3 sisters) got luggage for graduation from 8th grade and then got sent on a trip to someplace cool. My sisters got to go to Puerto Rico with their cousin!

  88. 88.

    marilynD Southern Oregon

    June 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Corner Stone: My parents bought me Red Wings in 19 mumble-mumble, when I was 13 years old. I loved to walk behind my daddy along the banks of the McKenzie River, looking for just the right pool to snag a Dolly Varden from. The last move of my life was at the end of March. I still have them, and they still fit!

  89. 89.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There’s a message there. And none too subtle.

  90. 90.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    lost in a camping incident

    There’s a good story there, and I should enjoy reading it.

  91. 91.

    joel hanes

    June 17, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    My folks gave me a really really good slide rule.

    Don’t you make the same mistake.

  92. 92.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Very happy for you! Congratulations — I know you studied hard for it!

    Is this pretty much it on the exams for a while, or are there more certifications looming?

  93. 93.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I keep meaning to do LEED, but damn if the studying isn’t dreadfully dull.

  94. 94.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    I always give cash. It is never a disappointment. Besides, when ever somebody gave me cash I didn’t have to pretend that I was ecstatic at receiving this gift of a thing I would never in a thousand years have bought for myself, especially when I would look up into these hopeful expectant eyes and feel guilty for not only not wanting this piece of useless junk but not even more so for being unable to pretend that even if it wasn’t what I had always wanted I at least would use it once or twice.

    Gift giving is a plague upon the face of mankind. Father’s day is Sunday. I will get a big fat glorious nothing, because that is what I want.

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    Poopyman

    June 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Nobody’s suggested a giant box of condoms? I’m disappointed in you people.

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    There’s a message there. And none too subtle.

    Did you ever see OH do subtle? Me neither.

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    The Thin Black Duke

    June 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Congratulations. Git down wit your bad self!

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    Cacti

    June 17, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    Do not be deceived.

    The best high school graduation gift is cold, hard cash.

    Giving something else will get you regarded the same way as the relative who sent socks for Christmas when they were a little kid (hope that wasn’t you) ;-).

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    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    @MattF:

    Cool!

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    Joel

    June 17, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    @Corner Stone: it’s a step up from raping teenagers

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    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Hey, what about 2 concert tickets to some band/group he likes? And maybe can’t afford? Bonus if you guys would get to go together. Memories last a lifetime.

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    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    For my high school graduation, I appreciated money for textbooks. I spent a few years getting only sensible gifts like vacuum cleaners and towels and by the time I turned 25 I had had enough. I wanted to pick out my own towels!

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    Gin & Tonic

    June 17, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @Suzanne: That’s a damn fine score. Congratulations.

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    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @Cacti: One of the cooler honors bestowed upon me in my lifetime was that when my nieces were around 16, everyone was told that I was the only one allowed to buy them clothes as gifts.

    :: still makes me happy to think of that ::

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    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @WaterGirl: THX! The weekend would have been a bit of a bummer had I failed. Now I can lay around sans pants guilt-free!!!!

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    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @Joel: Not to mess up a happy thread, but I keep wondering if “mexicans are rapists” had anything to do with the choice of Latin Night as the night for the massacre in Orlando. Maybe that has been talked about, but i haven’t seen it.

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    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @Suzanne: You are good at it though. Congrats!

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    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @srv: I don’t know what a common Red Wing is but they offer a Made in USA line as well as Mostly Made in USA w/ sourced parts.
    The kind most similar to my previous 8in lace up steel toed work boots is Made in USA.
    Of course, I bought mine some mumble years ago, back when no one asked where it was made because mumble mumble.

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    Villago Delenda Est

    June 17, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @MattF: Of course, being Bill Kristol’s son in law, he gets a few details wrong. For example, the deserting coward did in fact lie us into a war with Iraq, and complained about an “unconstitutional” proposal to treat access to weapons the same as the no fly list, which of course is something that aforementioned deserting coward came up with and passed constitutional muster THEN.

  109. 109.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @Poopyman:

    Did you ever see OH do subtle? Me neither.

    No, of course not. I was suggesting that the not-so-subtle message was on the part of the person who gave OH the suitcase.

  110. 110.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 17, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @Poopyman: Subtle? What’s that?

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    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    @Joel: Has he been accused of that in the past? I don’t really follow the WWE.
    If not, I would say 27 is well past the age of consent so she’s free to get down with her bad self with whomever she likes, or doesn’t like. No matter how foolish he looks.

  112. 112.

    Joel

    June 17, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    @WaterGirl: now that is a travelling reference. I was referring to an incident involving Jerry Lawler some thirty years ago. Charges were eventually dropped but rumor has it payoffs were involved.

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    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @Suzanne: Nice SAT shade.

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    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @Poopyman: I was thinking it, but didn’t think it appropriate to post.

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    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @redshirt: Why, thank you.

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    RandomMonster

    June 17, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    @MattF: With a brown eye at the tip.

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    p.a.

    June 17, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    @joel hanes:
    The Oughtred Society was founded in 1991 by a group of slide rule collectors and is dedicated to the preservation and history of slide rules and other calculating instruments. In the past 24 years it has evolved to an international organization with members in 22 countries.

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    cmorenc

    June 17, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Question for the hive mind.
    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    A brand-new Ford Mustang convertible. You’re welcome :=)

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    cmorenc

    June 17, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @Cacti:

    Giving something else will get you regarded the same way as the relative who sent socks for Christmas when they were a little kid (hope that wasn’t you) ;-).

    Give him socks. With a $50 bill in each sock.

    You could then give him some advice on whether to use the money for blow vs hookers, cause $100 probably isn’t enough for both.

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    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @srv: They make, or at least list for sale, almost 2.5 times the amount for sale as Made in USA v China.
    I don’t think anyone said they only make USA USA USA styles. But if they are to be believed they at least give consumers an upfront choice.

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    Trollhattan

    June 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    Danner still makes some of their boots in Portland and certain Filson’s are made in the States. Come to mention, a Filson travel bag would be an awesome gift and quite possibly last a lifetime.

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    Eric S.

    June 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Amir Khalid: A girlfriend in college have me a Lambo for my 20th birthday. It was a Matchbox, but hey it was cool. Their may have been other gifts but I haven’t vetted every commenters age.

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    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @cmorenc: Nice!

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    Carl W

    June 17, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @p.a.: I have a 6 foot long slide rule. (Used to be used to teach slide rule technique in my high school; when they were getting rid of it, my Mom grabbed it for me.)

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    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Eric S.: My nice always talked about how she wanted a bright red Porsche for her 16th birthday. So I went to the hobby shop and found a hot little miniature red Porsche and had it sitting in the driveway, waiting for her, when she got home from school on her 16th birthday.

    She was, perhaps, hoping for the bigger version, but it was still fun.

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    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Per Tweety Trump is a brilliant standup guy who’s in terms of synapses, things come to him, but because he has been in the bubble away from the people for the last year he has lost his feel for the people. The feel he had before he became a politician, when he was building things. What does that even mean and does he really think Trump was out there at building sites mingling with construction workers ? Why does this man make 5 million a year to talk nonsense ? Trump was willing to come out and make racist statements and the racists were elated to be able someone who is openly racist and put away the dog whistle. And then there are some who are good people but are too dumb to know he is a charlatan. msnbc please fire Chris Matthews. He has no clue as to what is happening in the country, like the GOP he is willfully blind. Oh and why does every democrat have to be asked if they are a democratic socialist, Bernie ran as a democrat not the other way round. Stupid man stupid question.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    @Poopyman:

    Did you ever see OH do subtle? Me neither.

    No, of course not. I was suggesting that the not-so-subtle message was on the part of the person who gave OH the suitcase.

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    WaterGirl

    June 17, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    @hovercraft: At some point in the third line of your comment, I ended up snorting out loud. (always attractive!) Tweety is such an idiot sometimes. I thought about saying “most times” but I haven’t watched him in years, so I can’t really say.

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    Cacti

    June 17, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Trump is a 70 year old adolescent who’s never had his judgment or decisions scrutinized in any meaningful way in his entire life. Now that it’s happening for the first time, he’s falling to pieces.

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    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @Carl W: You know what they say about people with a big slide rule?

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    Darkrose

    June 17, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    Watching the Rays-Giants, Betty C. The tribute to the Orlando victims was very well done. I also appreciated that they let you make donations to the Pulse Victims Fund through their ticket sales site, with all proceeds going to the Fund.

    That said, dear gods, what a horrible ballpark. The turf is bad enough, but the echo in the dome is awful. It just looks and sounds all wrong.

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    Feathers

    June 17, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @p.a.: My dad is a now retired civil engineer. One day in the early 90s, he was at work and nobody could find a calculator. He said, “Wait, I have my slide rule” and proceeded to begin using it. Word got out and apparently he drew quite a crowd. Most had never seen one in action.

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    Wapiti

    June 17, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    For graduation from college, I’ve given my nephews and nieces knife sets for the kitchen. Being an adult means that they’ll have to cook sometimes. And life’s too short to go through it with lousy knives.

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    Peale

    June 17, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @cmorenc: which he will have to sell and replace with a Toyota Camry if he wants to be able to afford insurance.

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    Villago Delenda Est

    June 17, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @hovercraft: Tweety is as demented as Drumpf.

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    Mary G

    June 17, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    Hannity is very angry with Paul Ryan because he’s not clapping loud enough for the Trump fairy and said we might need a new speaker maybe.

    The Republicans couldn’t organize a birthday party if you spotted them the cake, candles and presents. They’ll still be arguing about who is true conservative in Hillary’s second term.

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    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Narcissists unite.

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    Trollhattan

    June 17, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @Feathers:
    Lucky for him the battery wasn’t dead.

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    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @WaterGirl: @Cacti:
    I don’t know why I do it to myself, when I get home I turn on msnbc in the background to catch up. I usually come in during Chucky’s show and the annoyance begins, I catch up with the dvr during Halpern’s hour and then return to Tweety. I’m thinking with his infatuation for Trump ‘he builds things, he’s created jobs’ I need to consign him to the Halpern zone.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @Suzanne:

    For some reason, I assumed you were already LEED-certified.

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    ? Martin

    June 17, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    Since I have one of those – cash.

    It’s hard to shop for them because they are going through such big life changes. Possibly going off to college, moving out from mom and dad paying for everything and being more independent. Generally they don’t quite know what they need right now, which is why cash is the right answer – it’s there when they bump up against the ‘oh, it costs that much to do this?’ which is likely to happen a lot over the next few months. The most important asset in life is their phone, which will navigate them through almost all of it.

    (I had frantic texting this morning on how to fill out the W-4.)

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    Villago Delenda Est

    June 17, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @Mary G: Our Sarah called, weeks ago, for Ryan to be “Cantored”, for insufficient worship of Teh Donald.

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    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @Wapiti:

    I’ve given my nephews and nieces knife sets for the kitchen. Being an adult means that they’ll have to cook sometimes. And life’s too short to go through it with lousy knives.

    There’s nothing like a good chef’s knife, or set of knives. I was fortunate enough to receive a block set of Henckels 4 Star mumble mumble years ago and I still use them every day, along with an additional Santoku knife I purchased several years ago.
    That Santoku is amazeballs.

    That said, I was a little older than graduation age when I got them so I had a better sense of appreciation for them. Not sure someone who is going to probably be moving several times/have multiple roommates in the next few years is the best recipient for a great knife set.

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    Eric S.

    June 17, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    everyone was told that I was the only one allowed to buy them clothes

    The Girl doesn’t even allow me to but my own clothes. Well, usually I pay, she always picks. I’m sure my niece will never bestow that on me. That’s is cool though.

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    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @Corner Stone: An 18 year old doesn’t need fancy knives.

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    raven

    June 17, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    Tweety is a fucking moron.

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    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    @hovercraft:

    I’m thinking with his infatuation for Trump ‘he builds things, he’s created jobs’ I need to consign him to the Halpern zone.

    I don’t know what the fuck he thinks this whole “building/build” jag is all about. Trump’s whole business model for the last 20+ years has been branding/leasing his brand.

  148. 148.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 17, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @Corner Stone: And ripping off suppliers and contractors in the process.

  149. 149.

    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @Mary G:
    Back in ’08 during the general election I used to listen to WABC at work, the line-up was Rush, Hannitty, then Levin. At first my co-workers weren’t sure if I was a fan, when I told them it was to hear them spin how McCain was not really losing to a celebrity they still thought I was crazy. I have to say 6 monthe of that does explain the delusions of the base, it’s beyond batshit crazy in that world. There is no logic or concession to reality, support the nominee without question. Trump’s authoritarian streak fits in perfectly. It’s never about the policies, it’s about beating the democrats. That’s all that matters.

  150. 150.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    There’s a good story there, and I should enjoy reading it.

    It’s not a good story as it almost ruined multiple friendships. It’s also boring, petty and a long time ago. Yes, there was lust, sex, betrayal, alcohol, fishing and shots fired. But back then it was what we called “Tuesday”.

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    dr. luba

    June 17, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I bought each of my brother’s kids a flat screen TV for their dorm room, and an electric kettle. Both gifts were appreciated. My mom got each of them a MacBook Pro. Also appreciated.

    All other graduates (friends and family) have gotten cash. I know I appreciated money when I was a broke 18 year old graduate.

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    ThresherK

    June 17, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @redshirt: If the 18 year old can be trusted to take care of implements, and will soon be needing to do their own kitchening, a good chef’s knife is suitable,

    My brother had a long history of leaving tools out in the yard when he was a kid. And also as an adolescent. And also as a young man. So when my dad moved to a smaller place, I was the one who got all the tools he divested himself of.

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    maya

    June 17, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @redshirt: Yeah, whatever happened to the old fashioned idea of getting him a hooker. Now that he’s 18 and all that.

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @raven: My New Year’s resolution was no more Tweety, I’ve kept it.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @maya: That’s more of a Sweet 16 gift these days.*

    *Please verify the age of consent laws in your locality before proceeding.

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    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @maya: How did you go from knives to hookers?

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    Ruckus

    June 17, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @Feathers:
    Too many decades ago I used one daily in place of pencil and paper. 3 careers later I’m back doing the same job and the other day mentioned that in place of calculators, which we of course didn’t have, I used a slide rule. None of my fellow employees had ever seen one or have any idea of how to use it and some didn’t even know what one was. Fuck, I am old.

  158. 158.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @ThresherK: Most 18 year olds won’t have an actual kitchen for many years. If the debate is cash or fancy knives, there really should be no debate. $$$

  159. 159.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @redshirt: Kinky.

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    maya

    June 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @redshirt. Not the connection. Coming of age items was.

  161. 161.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    This is one crazy biznatch on All In w/ Chris Hayes (Joy Reid tonight).
    She is out to Dump Trump, hard core and she’s bringing the knowledge! Sure it’s crazy as fuck knowledge, but she bringing it!
    Oooo Oooo Rick Wilson now!

  162. 162.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    Cheato Jesus!
    Drink!

  163. 163.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: You really are the cool uncle.

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    Immanentize

    June 17, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: no joke, so did mine It is a family tradition!

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    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    My goodness, the repubs are upset because their nominee is now preaching out loud to their choir. I so hope they are stomped on by Hillary.
    As an example. this was a headline on the AJC
    Vince Dooley: ‘I endorsed Donald Trump, but I do wish he could do, say things differently’

  166. 166.

    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    I hope they fail. I’m sure they probably will, I want the GOP to wear their crazy all the way to November. We need YOU BUILT IT GOP anti-Trump bumper stickers. Oh and Rick Wilson said cheato Jesus

  167. 167.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @Immanentize:

    no joke, so did mine It is a family tradition!

    To be fair, the term “spinner” could apply to luggage as well as possibly a lady of the evening.

  168. 168.

    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    This is pretty funny…
    Clint Eastwood gave Romney ’12 intro speech to a folding chair. Bobby Knight will deliver Trump ’16 intro speech by tossing one into crowd.

  169. 169.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I do sustainable design projects, but I never passed the test. I took it once while still in graduate school and failed by two questions. I tried to cram for it in three days over Spring Break and I should have given myself a few more weeks. I work on LEED projects, though.

    I am actually pretty ambivalent about LEED. It ends up wasting a lot of money for a pretty plaque to hang on the wall, in my opinion. I’d rather an owner spend that money on a better building. But it’s the industry-standard way to show that you know what you’re talking about, so I should prolly do it.

    However, I just became my company’s first EDAC. So woot!

  170. 170.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @Suzanne:

    However, I just became my company’s first EDAC.

    I didn’t know you were a Furry.

    ETA: Or did I get it confused with Ewoks again?

  171. 171.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I just became my company’s first EDAC. So woot!

    Woot! indeed! I don’t think I realised that you would be the first EDAC in your firm. i hope they’re all proud of your accomplishment, and I hope they throw you a party!

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Suzanne: I don’t know what any of that means, but I would have made you Architect of the Capitol had I won the nomination. Congratulations.

  173. 173.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    If the kid is going to college and needs stuff for the dorm room, I think a gift card to IKEA is helpful. Also a TV or gaming system or DVD player or whatever. I know I appreciated art supply money. If the kid isn’t moving out, I don’t really know. I think club-appropriate and/or job interview-appropriate wear would be good. Get a gift card if you don’t want to pick it out yourself.

    I personally really just always appreciate cash. I am fussy enough about household goods that I want what I want and don’t trust most other people’s taste, or I’m trying to save up for something, like a trip or a piece of furniture or electronics, and I really do not want some POS that is going to collect dust.

    Also, kid is entering the years of moving a lot. Everything you buy is something else to schlep twice a year for the next six years or so.

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @Baud: I don’t think that’s a Presidential appointment, though I’m sure that Trump thinks it is.

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    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @Suzanne: How is your girl?

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I would have used the bully pulpit to get her appointed.

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    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @Baud: DAWWWWW, thanks!

    EDAC is the accreditation from the Center for Health Design, which is my industry’s leading organization dedicated to architecture of hospitals, clinics, etc. There has been a great deal of research in the last 15 years or so that indicates that the architecture, engineering, and interior design of a facility can have a dramatic effect on healthcare outcomes, costs, etc. The industry is embracing scientific methods and research in ways that they really haven’t before, so the discipline of “evidence-based design” is emerging.

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    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Suzanne: How important is light design?

  179. 179.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @redshirt: You need lights so you can see when it gets dark.

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @Suzanne: Cool. Sounds almost as prestigious as a Trump U degree.

  181. 181.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @redshirt: Doing better, I think. She’s going to a new school next year because I think she needs to get away from some assholes. Now she’s just a typical bratty angsty disaffected twelve-year-old. God help me.

  182. 182.

    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Now she’s just a typical bratty angsty disaffected twelve-year-old.

    Yay!(?)

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @shomi: You have Betty Cracker down in your little notebook as a BernieBot? That’s so cute.

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    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @Baud: It’s slightly more prestigious than that. Architects are not really trained in research or scientific method, our education is much more akin to an art degree with some extra engineering stuff thrown in so the buildings don’t fall down. So there is growing interest within the profession to solve more social and technical problems and to be more rigorous in our professional practice.

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Suzanne: I was kidding of course. There was an architectual student in my dorm. He was very cool and did neat things. I can’t even imagine the skill it takes.

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    JPL

    June 17, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @Suzanne: Well I might say that as a long time commenter on this blog, we are proud of you. Stay cool the next couple of days by the way.

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    J R in WV

    June 17, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    iPad ??

    Kidding. An android tablet, with cell, gps, etc. iPad cost 2 or 4 times what a good Android costs, and Android is better.

  188. 188.

    Iowa Old Lady

    June 17, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @Suzanne: Congratulations to you. That sounds like interesting work.

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @J R in WV: I’ve heard tablets are not all that hot these days.

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @J R in WV:

    Android is better.

    Unpossible!

  191. 191.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @Baud: They are if you overclock them.

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    Emma

    June 17, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    @Suzanne: My best friend often muttered that she should have shipped hers to a Swiss boarding school when she turned twelve. Now, in her mid-thirties, she’s pretty damn awesome, so hang in there.

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    Kathleen

    June 17, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: My 18 year old grandson graduated in Tampa last week and I gave him money, just as I did for his older brother 2 years ago.

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Or put them in the oven.

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    J R in WV

    June 17, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Congratulations!

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @Baud: …or leave them in the car(OK, same difference).

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    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: It is where you live.

  198. 198.

    Jeffro

    June 17, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t think he’s going to get a chance to appoint much, not even in Cleveland:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/17/politics/delegate-unbinding-effort-organized/index.html

    I think they’re really gonna do it, folks – one convention coup, coming up! They’ll lose Trump’s hard core of supporters, but at least this way they only have to fight off a Trump-like candidate/take the hit once, instead of again in 2020, and 2024, and…

  199. 199.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @Suzanne: Congrats!

  200. 200.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @Baud: It only got to 93 today, Monday should be over 110!

  201. 201.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Congrats, Suzanne! Sounds like a noteworthy accomplishment! (EDAC)

  202. 202.

    Nom de Plume

    June 17, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    And in other news, TPM is reporting (from an AP story) that Trump currently has a nationwide field staff of 30 people.

    30. In the whole country.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/under-the-hood

  203. 203.

    Baud

    June 17, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    Rachel reporting that Trump is now not going to meet with the Navajo Nation in Arizona. Too bad, he really needed to learn to talk on code.

  204. 204.

    rikyrah

    June 17, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    The 18 year old has something that they love. Find out what it is and get a gift card.

  205. 205.

    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    Duncan Hunter was one of the first congresscritters to endorse the Drumpster. These are words he spoke today:

    “I am done with trying to articulate or explain or answer for what Donald Trump says,” said Rep. Duncan Hunter (R.-Calif.).

    “I think he’ll make a great president,” said the Marine officer and combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. “I think he’ll make good decisions on the economy, on the border, on national security–doesn’t mean I endorse what he says.”

    What Trump says and what he does are two different things, said the congressman from suburban San Diego.

    “Him talking about things and saying things about things are different from him saying what he is going to do,” he said. “I think he’ll do what he says he’s going to do–I am not trying to parse words–I think he’ll do what he says he’s going to do, but, he says things about things that I don’t endorse and I am not going to try to articulate for him.”

    The congressman son of a congressman said he accepts that Trump is the boss and when he tells Republicans on Capitol Hill to “shut up,” he understands.

    “It is not my job to answer for Donald Trump,” he said. “I am not even a surrogate. I am just an endorser.”

  206. 206.

    rikyrah

    June 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Suzanne:
    Congratulations! !
    You kicked butt☺

  207. 207.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @shomi: Wow, back to the “groupies” thing. That’s like, what, 4 or 5 nyms ago?

  208. 208.

    Jeffro

    June 17, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @hovercraft: I wonder how Rep Hunter will feel when we unilaterally pull out of NATO, give South Korea the green light to build their own nukes, starting rounding up Muslim and Hispanic Americans, and see our President pulled into daily, day-long Twitter wars from every two-bit pundit and journalist in the country.

  209. 209.

    The Lodger

    June 17, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @JPL: No, no. It’s Solipsists, unite.

  210. 210.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Suzanne: Good to hear. Best wishes for you and your daughter.

  211. 211.

    Davis X. Machina

    June 17, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @redshirt: RPI’s architecture dept. has an MArch specifically in this field. The built environment has an effect on us in all kinds of ways.

  212. 212.

    Davis X. Machina

    June 17, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @The Lodger: They’re a bunch of jumped-uo newcomers, and just pirate their membership from the Moody Loners’ Club rather than bother with outreach and awareness stuff.

  213. 213.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: I’m glad. With LED’s, lighting can literally be anything. It’s all programmable now.

  214. 214.

    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @Jeffro:
    Well I guess that depends on whether those qualify as things he said and is talking about or things he is going to do.

  215. 215.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Baud: Heh, I actually laughed pretty hard. I prefer snark to architecture.

    Next thing I need to develop is the emerging field of snarkitecture.

  216. 216.

    Suzanne

    June 17, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @redshirt: Lighting is super-important, especially in healthcare design. I’m actually working on a pretty cool lighting project right now.

  217. 217.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 17, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @redshirt: I’ve got the lights in the cave’s front room set to daylight.

  218. 218.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I have a number of light switches – most attached to actual lighting implements and/or fixtures.

  219. 219.

    Corner Stone

    June 17, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What are the other ones attached to?

  220. 220.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @Corner Stone: I don’t know. Could be lights in another building or dimension for all I know. I do try to be polite and not flip them on and off at random lest I disturb innocent folks.

  221. 221.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    June 17, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Duncan Hunter was one of the first congresscritters to endorse the Drumpster. These are words he spoke today:

    Those are definitely words – words of a moron. Trump’s words in particular seem to act like a self-tightening noose around the neck of all of his non-endorsing supporting morons. Trump’s words tonight about #Orlando will be a ball gag for even the dumbest of his dumbfuck Republican supporting morons.

    There’s no way anyone who believes in the Republican party lets him get through the convention. They’re going to have to stop him.

  222. 222.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    They’re going to have to stop him.

    How? At what cost?

  223. 223.

    Eric U.

    June 17, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @p.a.: I have a high-end slide rule. Cost me $2 on the clearance table at a mom ‘n’ pop office supply store. I’m really fond of it, although I never learned how to use it. I imagine it cost quite a bit when they bought it. The leather holster is really nice. I guess it would make for a good Halloween costume accessory.

  224. 224.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    June 17, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Suzanne:

    That’s a *Big Fucking Deal*. Congrats for a hard earned accomplishment!!

  225. 225.

    Carl W

    June 17, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    So, I literally laughed out loud when I read this article. Evidently

    1) Ryan is still endorsing Trump, and
    2) Ryan will seriously consider suing Trump if Trump tries to carry out his campaign promises

  226. 226.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    Adam or whoever, can we have a post about the “dozens of State Department personnel who are putting the Obama Syria policy under scrutiny – but in the end, recommending bombing (what/where?) and no boots on the ground but somehow fixing this mess “from afar”. The neocons are a powerful constituency but not necessarily a smart one… They are offering Trump and opening and putting stress on Hillary and how she can respond….

  227. 227.

    MattF

    June 17, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @redshirt: Yes, but: Internet of Shit.

  228. 228.

    Kay

    June 17, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Trump tonight in the Woodlands, Texas: “The party is actually liking me.”

    Oh, God. Read the speech. I’m laughing so hard I’m crying. “President Trump! Thousands and thousands of calls from Texas, they’re all your friends…” He does whole imaginary dialogues.

  229. 229.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @Eric U.: I don’t know how to use a regular one, but, at the artillery Officer Basic Course, we were taught how to do gunnery calculations using slide rules and mathematical tables before we learned how to do it on computers. My set of “charts and darts” is still in a box somewhere at my parents’ house.

  230. 230.

    Elie

    June 17, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @Suzanne:

    It sure is, being a health care professional. It needs to be soothing and comforting for patients and very very intense for professionals when they need it. And go from one to the other pretty quickly and easily — “who has the clicker?”.
    Then there are all these other “lights” that show up specific types of conditions or diseases. You have to have them handy and easy to pull over and use…. Its fascinating stuff and requires professionals who carefully think about the environment, needed uses and works with everyday users in effective ways. They have to work with the everyday users to mock up how they work and how they would use what is proposed — or cheat around it…! That is what happened with electronic medical records. They “work” a certain way but aren’t always fully in synch with nurse’s work flow and priorities so the nurses figure out how to work around them to actually detail what they do/did.

  231. 231.

    MattF

    June 17, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I did about half the calculations in my thesis with a slide rule and half with a calculator that was physically attached to a table in the University Library. It was an electronic four-function calculator– lots of digits in the results and expensive!

    ETA: The slide rule was a Dietzgen (spelling?) and had to be realigned every couple of weeks. On the other hand, I learned to estimate the results of calculations to a significant digit or two in my head!

  232. 232.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Suzanne: Yeah it is. And with the ever increasing potential of using light as a tool there’s no end to the design potential. In hospital settings this would be case specific therapy lighting for each patient.

  233. 233.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 17, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @MattF: Ours was done the way it was because learning the “old” way ensured that we understood what were were doing and didn’t simply accept the result that the computer spat out. It was a good idea; there were a few times where I caught an error in data input by one of my soldiers because the solution just didn’t gel with my internal rough calculations.

  234. 234.

    hovercraft

    June 17, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
    Hence the term words. I missed what the short fingered vulgarian had to say tonight. Care to enlighten us?
    Words or word salad seems to be a language that only the and their supporters understand. Palin, Trump, Hunter, asparagus.

  235. 235.

    redshirt

    June 17, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Like they cycle from dawn to dusk?

  236. 236.

    Fair Economist

    June 17, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Jeffro: I don’t expect Trump to get kicked. They’ll lose the Presidency either way, but Trump actively campaigning against the entire party (and he will) will hurt them downticket even more than Trump on the top of the ticket will.

  237. 237.

    James E Powell

    June 17, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    With nothing more to win, Trump has a free month to do . . . what do you think his plans are?

    Does he ever have plans for more than two days in the future?

  238. 238.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    June 18, 2016 at 12:01 am

    @hovercraft:
    [[TRUMP CHANTS]]
    Trump:

    They’re gonna walk in. They’re gonna say “President Trump! Thousands and thousands of calls from Texas – they are so upset with you, Mr.President. They can’t stand the amount by which you are winning by. Everything is a win. You’re winning on trade. You’re winning at the border. You’re winning with your military. You’re winning on health care. We’re gonna repeal that horrible stuff and replace it.

    The guy’s bugfuck insane.

  239. 239.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    June 18, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I don’t know, but I think it’s dawning on them that they’re going to be better off without him than with him, in the long run. Like puking your guts out when you’re food poisoned, I guess. Which is not in any way, shape or form good for them. That’s how bad Trump is for their “brand”.

  240. 240.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 18, 2016 at 12:09 am

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Food poisoned? They got drunk. They are still drunk. Any puking is due to their own actions. Being still drunk they can puke, but he is still their guy.

  241. 241.

    Ruckus

    June 18, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    It’s a 5 month bender.

  242. 242.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 18, 2016 at 12:24 am

    @Ruckus: And it is coming to an end. Bernie is functionally irrelevant. There will be some kabuki dancing, but, as of Orlando, he is done. No one cared what he said. They asked Obama, Clinton, and Trump. IOW, they asked the president and the two candidates to replace him.

  243. 243.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    June 18, 2016 at 12:28 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Trump’s like spoiled beef tartare. Red meat gone rancid. They’ve been dog whistling about red meat for 40 years, but they never thought it would come in the form of an orange combovered anus mouthed buffoon who exposed them all as racist spineless amoral ghouls, and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.

  244. 244.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 18, 2016 at 12:31 am

    @redshirt: No, I just have them set to daylight(5376K).

  245. 245.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 18, 2016 at 12:32 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: OK, wise guy. I have lights that can vary in color and can be turned on and off via cellphone or have programs that run on the cellphone that turn them on and off based upon certain conditions.

  246. 246.

    daverave

    June 18, 2016 at 12:32 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    Coincidentally, my graduating nephew is also joining the Marines. I gave him money too.

  247. 247.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 18, 2016 at 12:39 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Witch!!!!!!!!!

  248. 248.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 18, 2016 at 1:05 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I have admitted that I don’t know what they do.

  249. 249.

    Karla

    June 18, 2016 at 6:53 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: If he’s going to college soon, cash and a small stapler that can fit in a backpack. While many assignments are submitted online, for the ones that aren’t you’ll be saving his professors some aggravation and helping him look like he has it together.

  250. 250.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    June 18, 2016 at 11:22 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Question for the hive mind.
    What is a good high school graduation present for an 18 year old male?

    In my family, the tradition was “a set of luggage.”

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