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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Hail to the Hairpiece / Late Night Schadenfreude Open Thread: Frantically Searching for Their Pony

Late Night Schadenfreude Open Thread: Frantically Searching for Their Pony

by Anne Laurie|  June 18, 20161:17 am| 104 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republicans in Disarray!, Assholes

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On the phone with a former Trump adviser: "I bet if someone offered him $150 million to drop out, he would."

— Ben Schreckinger (@SchreckReports) June 17, 2016

Done. Dinner in NY Monday, private room at Daniel, reservation under name of @Reince. 15 billionaires, $10m each. https://t.co/riAPnNWcD0

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) June 17, 2016

Bill ‘Always Wrong’ Kristol’s grift dream will never die!

You can see how these Republican Intellectuals got pantsed by the likes of Captain Bankruptcy. Never announce your target offer before the start of negotiations, for one thing; Kristol should’ve said his billionaires had a half-billion on the table, before starting the bidding at $25 mill once Trump was in the room.

And, yes, there are lots of jokes by Kristol’s followers about setting up a Kickstarter.

(No Trump-tweets returning fire, yet, though. We know what this means — Bill Kristol just isn’t important enough for Trump’s interns to follow.)

Not that Reince ‘RNC PR BS’ Priebus might not like a different job than the one he’s got now…

Well this is a pretty good exit strategy from the untenably embarrassing and soul crushing job @Reince currently has https://t.co/tWH2r6iy2a

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) June 17, 2016

(CNN)Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus has been quietly having conversations with state party leaders to discuss the latest push by convention delegates to nominate anyone other than Donald Trump.

Priebus has spoken with GOP party chairmen in multiple states in recent days in part to get a better sense of how large the anti-Trump faction is among their convention delegations, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

While Priebus has made clear in these conversations that he is not spearheading the latest push for a coup, his involvement sends a signal that the RNC is taking this effort to dump Trump seriously even as other movements have fizzled.

One source said Priebus’ ultimate goal is unclear. But some anti-Trump forces are hoping to garner enough support to press the convention’s rules committee to alter the rules governing the convention and open a path for a different candidate…

Regarding all of the discussion about the RNC Rules committee – see attached pic.twitter.com/RXNZSqbm0b

— Sean Spicer (@seanspicer) June 17, 2016

The convention in Cleveland will be amazing! https://t.co/NlF2Gcr915

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 17, 2016

Convention coup against Trump would be a declaration that Republican primary voters aren't morally fit to make decisions.

Fact check: TRUE.

— Eric Kleefeld (@EricKleefeld) June 17, 2016

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  1. 1.

    Susan K of the tech support

    June 18, 2016 at 1:25 am

    Oh my. Who’s playing checkers and who’s playing chess? (I don’t know the answer to this question). There was an article on Medium (The Ringer on Medium) where Jon Favreau, writer genius from Obama campaign and White House past, that addresses that conflict between winning against the Republicans or losing as Americans.

    Title: “How Republicans can Defeat Trumpism”

    As a Democrat, I suppose I should be happy that the Republican Party is about to face the most diverse electorate in history with a modern-day hybrid of George Wallace and Joseph McCarthy. I should be happy that Hillary now holds a healthy 5.8 point lead over Trump; that only 25 percent approve of his response to the Orlando attack; that 55 percent of Americans say they could never vote for him; that 70 percent of Americans, including 68 percent of independents, now hold an unfavorable view of Trump — a record for him, and every other person who’s ever been polled.

    I should be happy about all of these numbers. But I’m not, because win or lose, Donald Trump’s candidacy is already doing real damage to our country. Every day, he gives voice and legitimacy to some of our darkest instincts and oldest prejudices — fear, and blame, and suspicion of the sinister “other.” Read this grotesque account of Trump’s Tuesday-night rally in North Carolina, described by the reporter as a “visceral and terrorizing nightmare,” or this study about the impact of the campaign on our schools, which found “an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of color” and that “many students worry about being deported.” [source]

    Same thing here with some members of the GOP trying to stop the train now it’s in full motion.

  2. 2.

    Ajabu

    June 18, 2016 at 1:25 am

    I guess moving back to the West Coast has at least one advantage. I’m still up when you post an early am item and for the first time ever, I’m first!!
    Now back to our scheduled program…
    ETA: Nearly First. First West Indian at least.

  3. 3.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 18, 2016 at 1:27 am

    Chuck Todd said yesterday there are a number of long time prominent fund raisers who are refusing to donated to the party and to down ticket races unless they get rid of Trump.

    Under Pressure

  4. 4.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 1:28 am

    Josh Marshall quote the following about Trump’s negotiating tactics a tenday ago. The quote is from an unnamed real estate professional in NY:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/low-dollar-same-grift
    T

    here is a personality type with a New York developer, one Donald learned from Fred when he carried his dad’s briefcase to acquisition meetings out in the boroughs and it goes like this:
    Donald contracts for a service or good, or the acquisition of a piece of land for $1 million.

    He then does not pay you

    You ask Donald for your million dollars

    Donald yells at you, basely, abusively, wholly out of character to the rich gentleman you broke bread with and made the deal with. He tells you that no, YOU owe him $200,000. Gives you no reason but screams how can you be such a son of a bitch to rip him off, how he’s going to sue you, expose you as a cheat, etc.

    You’re off your pins, defensive. How could this be the guy who was so nice when he picked up the check at Per Se?

    So, you compromise, because human nature avoids conflict, right? This is what he’s gaming you for because once you compromised, you’ve lost. You’ve inferred his premise that you have some complicity in the matter otherwise why would you compromise? You are on the defensive and will never get it back.

    You offer $750,000 as a settlement, angry buy want it over and done with. He then sues you. Why, because you’ve already committed yourself to the loss. You volunteered to surrender your position and what will stop you from keeping going?

    I’ve seen many a New Yorker settle things like this with Trump people for 5-10 cents on the dollar and then happy, even eager to keep doing business with them. Why? Because he got in their heads with this aggressively counterintuitive behavior.

    If Kristol or anyone else thinks they can buy him out of this, they’re going to need bigger bank balances!

  5. 5.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 1:33 am

    @Susan K of the tech support: Its not one side playing checkers and the other chess. One side (Kristol’s) may be playing Chutes and Ladders, but thinks its playing Go. The other side (Trump’s) isn’t playing chess, its juggling hand grenades. Kristol wouldn’t know the definition of strategy, let alone a strategy, if it walked up and bit him. Trump could care less about strategy. He’s an agent of chaos. He thrives on it.

  6. 6.

    Susan K of the tech support

    June 18, 2016 at 1:33 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If Kristol or anyone else thinks they can buy him out of this, they’re going to need bigger bank balances!

    True. Think of his business ventures that’ve gone south in the process of the campaign as he offends more and more people who don’t want to do business with him.

    Think of the fact that it’s more important for him to be referred to as “billionaire” than he is able to demonstrate by his behavior. billionai-hot-airre

    Think of the rumor about him starting his own media company because he sees the profits the networks are making off of giving him all that free publicity and it’s time to cut out the middleman.

    All those point to a more expensive exit plan.

    Then again, there’s his basic laziness (what? I gotta call people to raise money? ring once, ring twice, ring three times. I quit.)

  7. 7.

    Ajabu

    June 18, 2016 at 1:34 am

    I saw Joy Reid subbing for Chris Hayes tonight with some Repug woman (don’t know her name) who blurted out
    (I paraphrase) “Trump is not a Republican. If Romney had been elected, Trump would be the Democratic nominee right now.” Joy, who have been somberly concern trolling her Repug panel lost it, started to laugh and replied,
    “Not ever. In you fantasy hypothetical, sure, but he’s your guy. You own him.”
    What fun!

  8. 8.

    Susan K of the tech support

    June 18, 2016 at 1:36 am

    @Adam L Silverman: LOL!
    all your game theory is most excellent!!

    (well, except for the grenades part.)

    Getting into his head, though, and making him freak out because vanity IS a good strategy. But the Boys in the GOP aren’t doing that. There are others taking that tack.

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 1:44 am

    @Susan K of the tech support: He’s a developer that functions like a vulture capitalist. He really doesn’t care if the business fails as long as he can extract maximum equity and then walk away without further liability. This is how he ran his casino business in Atlantic City.

  10. 10.

    ? Martin

    June 18, 2016 at 1:45 am

    @Adam L Silverman: The problem with the strategy is that the clock is ticking and Trump knows his value goes up with each day. So you offer him $100M today. You have a convention in a month and an election in 5. He holds out for 2 weeks asking for more. You offer more. He holds out longer for more. You’re running out of time to find a replacement. Every day earns Trump more and the fact that you went to him with the offer means you’re willing to pay, and he can make more just by waiting. And with every day, you’re poorer and less able to field that candidate, and he’s richer.

    The GOP can’t even field the offer. It’s what Trump lives for. You’d have to tie the offer to something that gets worse for Trump as time passes – and that’s almost impossible to imagine.

  11. 11.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 1:48 am

    @Susan K of the tech support: I’ve used variants before. Usually if I’m briefing about Iran. I start with “Chess was invented in Iran, it is their game. They understand it, societally, better than we do.” I then move on to “If we’re lucky we’re playing checkers, but often its Candy Land. And if we’re dealing with the Chinese, they’re playing go. And go is about encirclement, its about using soft force to direct your opponent where you want them. Its the ultimate expression of being able to maneuver your opponent into a position where you have the asymmetric advantage. They invented it and they understand it, societally, better than we do.”

  12. 12.

    Mnemosyne

    June 18, 2016 at 1:50 am

    @Ajabu:

    You know who else was West Indian? Born on Nevis, raised on St. Croix.

    Hey, if people are going to accuse me of spamming the comments with Hamilton factoids, I may as well live up to it.

    ETA: D’oh! Link fail.

  13. 13.

    ? Martin

    June 18, 2016 at 1:51 am

    Remember the Getty quote: “If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.”

    Trump lives off of that attitude. There’s more risk exposure for the GOP than for Trump – and that’s been true from the outset. When you have a situation like that, you avoid it at all cost – because unlike a regular candidate that would have to carry water for the party in order to get what they want, Trump inverts the relationship and Trump can take the party for all its worth. After all, even if Trump loses, he’s still worth a lot of money and now even more famous. Trump is very good at assessing who is carrying the most risk. He knows the party is vulnerable and he will exploit them. The last thing the party should do is broadcast that vulnerability, which they are desperately failing to do.

  14. 14.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 1:53 am

    @? Martin: Without a doubt.

  15. 15.

    Xenos

    June 18, 2016 at 1:55 am

    It is an interesting moment in the negotiations, if indeed this is happening. As we get closer to the convention Trump’s price can go up as he benefits to more pressure . Again certain point it is too late to holds useful convention, and suddenly Trump no longer has much leverage. A successful negotiation depends on both sides understanding the timing of this .

    I expect that Trump is going to blow this. He won’t respect and appreciate the signals from the other side.

  16. 16.

    Ajabu

    June 18, 2016 at 1:59 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    And we don’t play in St. Croix!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1878_St._Croix_Labor_Riots

  17. 17.

    Ruckus

    June 18, 2016 at 1:59 am

    @? Martin:
    You aren’t thinking like drumpf. You offer him 1 billion to quit. After he does you pay him 1 million. Force him to sue you for the rest. And counter sue him for not quitting properly or rapidly enough. For twice what he sues for. Yes there will be lawyer fees. Bet it costs less than 5 mill for the whole thing and solves a good portion of the issue.

  18. 18.

    Susan K of the tech support

    June 18, 2016 at 2:00 am

    @? Martin:

    Trump is very good at assessing who is carrying the most risk.

    ??? This is a sentence to take out of this browser, away from the keyboard, away from the monitors and think about for a little while. Or a big while.

  19. 19.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2016 at 2:02 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    I just checked Wikipedia. As prestigious and brand-building as it no doubt is, the POTUS job only pays US$1.6 million in salary over a four-year term. (I’d rather not think about a two-term President Trump; I fear America might not last that long.) Not YOOOGE money, by Trump’s professed standard, but probably about what he’s actually making these days. US$150 million (after taxes, presumably) would be hard for any non-billionaire to refuse, and it sounds like more money than the Clintons have made for themselves since 2000; so a rational Trump might take the deal. The real Trump, I don’t know; it would depend on his current financial situation.

  20. 20.

    Ruckus

    June 18, 2016 at 2:11 am

    @Susan K of the tech support:
    Why? How is he so good at it when he’s failed at so much? He’s willing to take risk, sure. He’s willing to bet on who carries the most risk, I just don’t think he’s all that good at assessment. At bullying and suing absolutely.
    On the point of him besting the gop. The gop have been fine at getting most everyone to go along, until drumpf. And he appears to be having a bit of trouble getting them to go along. Lots of the conservative PtB are balking at drumpf for president, they just don’t have much of an idea how to deal with him.

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 2:16 am

    @Amir Khalid: You don’t take the job to get rich, though it often serves as a gateway to doing so. The real issue is I’m not sure Trump knows what Trump is going to do. He’s working on some sort of instinct that makes predicting his actions difficult. He’s the walking example of why rational actor/utility maximization theory has no real empirical validity for all its theoretical and mathematical elegance.

  22. 22.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 18, 2016 at 2:22 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Interesting. It would certainly seem to fit with the way he has behaved this entire campaign – e.g. his playing them about running 3rd party or Independent if they did not treat him “fairly”.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  23. 23.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 18, 2016 at 2:30 am

    @Ruckus:Devious mind you have there.

    I like it!

    Too often Team D is portrayed as being too weak in the art and science of politics. I think Nancy and Harry and even Barack showed that the Teabaggers can be beaten, but they weren’t using “crush them under your wheels” tactics. So it wasn’t as viscerally satisfying.

    Your idea would be delicious. RNC PR BS is too weak to try it.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  24. 24.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 2:30 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: With Trump, and others like him, you either knuckle them under or you get knuckled under. There’s not other possible outcome. And he’s the least rational actor in terms of what to pursue. If you read about his purchased of the Eastern Shuttle it made no sense. And, of course, the business failed. Same with his USFL gambit – he destroyed not only his own business, but all the other team owners. He did the same thing with a hotel purchase in Manhattan. He just had to have it, and he got it, but he paid multiple times what it was actually worth because in his head it was worth even more than that if his name was on it.

    As I wrote in an earlier reply: he’s an agent of chaos. He thrives on it and he creates it. Unfortunately we don’t have a Lord of Order around:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOTXequBzog

  25. 25.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 2:35 am

    @Ruckus: Exactly. With Trump its either force him to knuckle under or get knuckled under. No other outcome is possible.

  26. 26.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 18, 2016 at 2:39 am

    Testing

  27. 27.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 18, 2016 at 2:40 am

    I’ve had two comments eaten by FYWP so far. Let’s try again.

    I don’t think Drumpf can be bought off. It’s gone too far for that. He’ll reject any offer, he has the GOP utterly at his mercy, and he has none to give. This is about spite and sticking it to these people who dare, dare to question him in any way.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 2:44 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: 5X5

  29. 29.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 2:45 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: They didn’t go into moderation.

  30. 30.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 18, 2016 at 2:50 am

    @Adam L Silverman: They just…POOOFED!

  31. 31.

    Ruckus

    June 18, 2016 at 3:01 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
    @Adam L Silverman:
    It isn’t that hard to see what motivates drumpf, it isn’t hard to see what it would take to make him go away. Affording it, pulling it off, completely different subjects. He is, as most everyone thinks, pulling the longest con he’s ever done. But he’s 70, he is, given his terms, broke, too many people who might work with him know his mo, so I’m thinking this is his last chance to show the world how much of a rich man he is. Of course he’s failing and not at something he can sue or bankrupt his way out of. He gets bought out or he goes the distance. It’s fucking ugly no matter what.

  32. 32.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 3:04 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: apparently

  33. 33.

    Adam L Silverman

    June 18, 2016 at 3:05 am

    @Ruckus: Yep. The question is how much damage does he do along the way.

  34. 34.

    TaMara (HFG)

    June 18, 2016 at 3:12 am

    Oh, good, you’re all up. Six gunshots on our block. LPD knocking on our doors to make sure everyone is ok. Casings in the street. Pretty sure I’m up for the night, too.

  35. 35.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2016 at 3:15 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The real issue is I’m not sure Trump knows what Trump is going to do. He’s working on some sort of instinct that makes predicting his actions difficult. He’s the walking example of why rational actor/utility maximization theory has no real empirical validity for all its theoretical and mathematical elegance.

    He’s Zaphod Beeblebrox, but with only one head!

  36. 36.

    ruemara

    June 18, 2016 at 3:17 am

    @Ajabu: Maybe first West Indian of the thread, but not of the day.

    @Ajabu: She’s no Gwen Ifill, praise all the sassy goddesses.

    @Mnemosyne: LMM? Interesting.

  37. 37.

    opiejeanne

    June 18, 2016 at 3:29 am

    @TaMara (HFG): Yikes! Nice of the cops to check everyone. People are so spread out in my neighborhood that they can’t really do that, plus we can hear gunshots from quite a distance and have trouble agreeing on what direction they came from.

  38. 38.

    opiejeanne

    June 18, 2016 at 3:31 am

    @srv: Silly, why would Hillary want Trump out of the race? He’s a wonderful target for Democrats to run against.

  39. 39.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 3:31 am

    (wow, 2nd comment went up in smoke too)
    Test, SOS

  40. 40.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 18, 2016 at 3:31 am

    @TaMara (HFG): Yikes! Hope you and yours are safe!

  41. 41.

    Steeplejack

    June 18, 2016 at 3:33 am

    @TaMara (HFG):

    Stay away from the windows and keep your AR-15 close by and you’ll be fine!

    Seriously, take care. Sending good thoughts.

  42. 42.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 18, 2016 at 3:35 am

    @srv: What color is the sky in your world?

  43. 43.

    Steeplejack

    June 18, 2016 at 3:35 am

    @ruemara:

    LMM? Interesting.

    No, Hamilton himself.

  44. 44.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 3:36 am

    A dog joke for Tamara:

    How do you know if your dog is a Great Dane?
    If he can see what you’re cooking and wants to help you cook it.

  45. 45.

    TaMara (HFG)

    June 18, 2016 at 3:39 am

    @opiejeanne: There was no question where these came from – our corner – and the weird thing is – I was woke up from a sound sleep, but was pretty certain it was 6 shots – which LPD confirmed that’s how many casings they found. The brain is a mysterious thing.

    Everyone is more than a little unnerved because we’ve had a random Interstate shooter who has also gone into several towns and shot two people. From the questions the cop was asking me, they were leaning toward that …. guess while we were all sleeping there were actual witnesses to this event.

  46. 46.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 3:43 am

    Tamara, sorry to hear that.
    Another dog joke?
    “Just give me a comfortable couch, a dog, a good book, and a woman. Then if you can get the dog to go somewhere and read the book, I might have a little fun.”
    (Groucho Marx)

  47. 47.

    TaMara (HFG)

    June 18, 2016 at 3:45 am

    @Aleta: :-D

  48. 48.

    GregB

    June 18, 2016 at 3:50 am

    They have no one to blame except their immature, selfish, bitter, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, racist base that they have been growing in their petri dish for the last 50 years.

    Congratulations Dr. Jeykell-Mengele-Frankenstein.

  49. 49.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 18, 2016 at 3:50 am

    @Steeplejack:

    No, Hamilton himself.

    Who?

  50. 50.

    Betty Cracker

    June 18, 2016 at 3:54 am

    @TaMara (HFG): Good lord, that’s scary! At least you have a very imposing dog to deter intruders.

  51. 51.

    Betty Cracker

    June 18, 2016 at 3:56 am

    A thunderstorm woke me up. We’re supposed to have afternoon rain in the summer, but lately it’s been pre-dawn rain instead.

  52. 52.

    jacy

    June 18, 2016 at 3:59 am

    True story: neighbors down the street had three Trump signs prominently displayed in their yard. Had been there about a month, and I know because it’s the house you see when you turn into my neighborhood. Thursday was yard trash day, and all three signs were bent in half and thrown on top of the dead limbs to be picked up. Not another single yard sign for Trump in the surrounding 7 or 8 blocks that I regularly drive and walk, and I life in a lovely upper-middle class neighborhood full of old white people in Louisiana.

  53. 53.

    Xenos

    June 18, 2016 at 4:01 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Trump blew the deal for the USFL owners because he completely misjudged the realities behind the deal. As a litigator you love these delusional opponents because you can usually outmaneuver them, but you hate them for being so bloody difficult about everything.

  54. 54.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 4:03 am

    @TaMara (HFG):
    A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog cart and says “Make me one with everything.”
    The hot dog chef hands her a hot dog, and the Buddhist hands him a $5.
    After waiting a minute, she asks “Where’s my change?”
    The hot dog chef replies “Change must come from within.”

  55. 55.

    jacy

    June 18, 2016 at 4:05 am

    @TaMara (HFG):

    Is this the old house or the new house?

    Stay safe!

  56. 56.

    Steeplejack

    June 18, 2016 at 4:16 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    [Stooge slap and eye-poke]

  57. 57.

    Baud

    June 18, 2016 at 4:33 am

    @jacy:

    Hahaha. The Great De-signing of 2016! Peggy Noonan is sad.

    How horrible a candidate for the GOP do you have to be to lose old white people in Louisiana.

  58. 58.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 18, 2016 at 4:42 am

    @Aleta: Somebody tried to tell that one to the Dalai Lama one time. Didn’t go over too well.

  59. 59.

    Aimai

    June 18, 2016 at 4:45 am

    @? Martin: showing that Donald has a better understanding of politics and economics than Bernie does. Also of extortion and hostage taking.

  60. 60.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    June 18, 2016 at 4:50 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Go back to “Donald picks up the check at Per Se.”

    Pix or it didn’t happen. And I know it’s icing on the cake but I want stories of how much he tips, while we’re at it.

  61. 61.

    Baud

    June 18, 2016 at 4:55 am

    Russia’s track and field team entirely banned from Rio Olympics for doping.

    Putin must be livid.

  62. 62.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 18, 2016 at 4:59 am

    @TaMara (HFG): Keep your head down.

  63. 63.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 4:59 am

    @Major Major Major Major: seriously ?

  64. 64.

    Applejinx

    June 18, 2016 at 5:01 am

    @Adam L Silverman: This might be an opportunity. Let’s ditch his style of capitalism, right here and now. Let’s get Hillary to turn against it. First Romney with his Bain Capital and now this guy: let’s make the Republicans own it like a millstone playing the role of a life preserver in a shipwreck that IS the Republican Party.

    After all that stuff is a blight on capitalism anyway…

  65. 65.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 5:03 am

    @Baud: I wonder if other teams including ours are worried about Zika.

  66. 66.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 18, 2016 at 5:05 am

    @Betty Cracker: I blame Obama.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    June 18, 2016 at 5:05 am

    @Aleta: I imagine everyone is concerned about that. And a lot of other things. Rio looks like a gigantic mess.

  68. 68.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 18, 2016 at 5:17 am

    @Aleta: yep.

  69. 69.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 5:19 am

    I’m thinking the Clinton strategy against Trump might have to consist of constant publishing of so many scandals that his own bombshells won’t launch, as he stays up all night defendiing himself on twitter. Kind of like a Kurosawa movie about a doomed daimyo.

  70. 70.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2016 at 5:21 am

    @Baud:
    There are some pretty influential people who fear the humiliation and financial loss from cancelling the Rio 2016 Games more than they do the safety and health risk of bringing people from all over the world into a hotspot of social unrest and disease contagion.

  71. 71.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 5:25 am

    @Amir Khalid: I wonder if any individual athletes will bail?

  72. 72.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2016 at 5:30 am

    @Aleta:
    I know some have been considering it. But one must sacrifice the best years of one’s youth to earn a place in the Olympics, so I wouldn’t envy anyone who had to think about it.

  73. 73.

    Baud

    June 18, 2016 at 5:31 am

    @Amir Khalid: Agree. If any athlete bails, it’ll probably be an older one.

  74. 74.

    Aleta

    June 18, 2016 at 5:40 am

    @Amir Khalid: What a hard spot for an athlete or coach to be in, and then on top of that, forced to rely on assurances from people whose priorities are dictated by prestige and profit. But perhaps at this point their focus must remain on training no matter what.

  75. 75.

    Russ

    June 18, 2016 at 6:14 am

    I believe it was Obama’s pantsing of Trump at the correspondents dinner that is driving him. He’s going to show the black man who’s the better. It is not about money, it’s about a personal battle against a black person.

  76. 76.

    Elizabelle

    June 18, 2016 at 6:15 am

    @TaMara (HFG): Glad you are safe. Keep us posted.

    Great thread; I didn’t get through more than the first third, but will catch you all later. Ciao.

  77. 77.

    NorthLeft12

    June 18, 2016 at 6:53 am

    I loved Mr. Spicer’s tweet about herr Trumpf “besting” sixteen highly qualified candidates.

    There they go again about that deep bench……LOL.

  78. 78.

    Gvg

    June 18, 2016 at 7:13 am

    @Russ: Trump was pursuing the Birthers nonsense before that dinner, it’s the reason Obama was mocking him. So he had a problem with Obama first. Also I have read he was initially an Obama supporter against Hillary which makes it all unclear. Maybe he didn’t expect Obama to actually win.
    From what I overheard just before Obama’s first election, the real racists didn’t actually believe a significant part of other whites were really going to vote Obama. They thought people were lying for political correctness. Obama didn’t get the majority of whites but he got I think around 40%. He could not have won with just minorities which is what the bigots thought he would get. Trump is clearly a bigot so,he might have been supporting O to hurt Clinton but I just don’t know. This is pretty thin speculation.

  79. 79.

    Stacy

    June 18, 2016 at 7:22 am

    @jacy: We have one of those here too in NoVa. Very diverse neighborhood so it’s especially disturbing.
    It’s a young white family with two young children. No surprise that he’s a troll on our street/neighborhood Facebook page. Always making racist or inflammatory comments. Not very brave though because the sign is right up against the foundation of the house and not out in the middle of the yard so it’s hard to see. Luckily his is the only house that I’ve seen that has one.

  80. 80.

    different-church-lady

    June 18, 2016 at 7:30 am

    @? Martin:

    You’d have to tie the offer to something that gets worse for Trump as time passes

    Something that gets worse as time passes? You mean, like, his odds of winning the presidency?

  81. 81.

    different-church-lady

    June 18, 2016 at 7:35 am

    @srv: That’s incoherent, even by your usual standards.

  82. 82.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 18, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @Adam L Silverman: 11-dimensional Hungry Hungry Hippos.

  83. 83.

    Hildebrand

    June 18, 2016 at 7:44 am

    Seems to me that the current pearl clutching by Republican leader types will disappear the moment Trump takes a breather from saying knavish, bigoted things – even for a whole week. They will then say, ‘See, he is pivoting! He is a reformed man. Pay no attention to the bigot of yesterday- it’s all good.’

  84. 84.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2016 at 7:50 am

    @NorthLeft12:
    They don’t grok the difference between a deep bench and a crowded one, do they?

  85. 85.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 18, 2016 at 7:53 am

    @Xenos: That sounds more like Bernie Sanders’ position trying to extract policy concessions from the Democrats in exchange for a Clinton endorsement. He’s probably held out too long already.

  86. 86.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 18, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @Hildebrand: That’s happened a couple of times already through the primary campaign.

  87. 87.

    NorthLeft12

    June 18, 2016 at 8:03 am

    @Amir Khalid: Exactly! My Detroit Tigers have a lot of pitchers in the bullpen, but geez louise, you have to cringe every time they bring one of them out to pitch.

  88. 88.

    rikyrah

    June 18, 2016 at 8:16 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Someone earlier this week pointed out that Trump is trying to get money from people who actually KNOW about his business practices. That is why they are not giving money.

  89. 89.

    rikyrah

    June 18, 2016 at 8:26 am

    @Russ:
    I believe this too. Not only humiliated him, but added to it by strolling down that hallway the next night to announce the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

  90. 90.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 18, 2016 at 9:09 am

    @Major Major Major Major: It happened another time, also too. Short video.

    :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  91. 91.

    different-church-lady

    June 18, 2016 at 9:25 am

    @Hildebrand:

    …the moment Trump takes a breather from saying knavish, bigoted things…

    So, never?

  92. 92.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    June 18, 2016 at 9:37 am

    @Russ:

    There’s no doubt in my mind about this. I think that night was the most humiliated he’s ever been, the most foolish he’s ever looked, and the most helpless he’s ever felt. Obama skinned the bark off him. Watching thin skinned Trump react to the slightest insult since then, I imagine that night has festered in his craw since.

  93. 93.

    Ken

    June 18, 2016 at 9:43 am

    @ThresherK (GPad):

    I want stories of how much he tips

    Probably with those mini-tracts that look like a folded $5 bill. They’re popular with “Christians” because they can spread the good news about Jesus and stiff the waiter at the same time. I expect instead of a Bible verse inside, Trump’s will have his picture.

  94. 94.

    TaMara (HFG)

    June 18, 2016 at 9:44 am

    @Aleta: Thanks for the jokes, they all made me smile. Made it through the night!! Will be glad to move to the new neighborhood – though for sure this was just a random one-off, I’m sure.

  95. 95.

    Glidwrith

    June 18, 2016 at 11:06 am

    @Ken: Jesus chicken-fried Christ on a cracker! Every time I think theses people can’t get any lower, they come up with some other way to mouth pious sanctity while being cruel shit heads that wouldn’t recognize Jesus if he hit them with a holy clue-by-four!

  96. 96.

    J R in WV

    June 18, 2016 at 11:11 am

    @rikyrah:

    Yeah, about that…. how come people can give President Obama a hard time for not being warlike enough in the Middle-East when he sent Seals into downtown Pakistan to take binLadin out, has used drones and Hellfires to take out the top leadership of the Taliban as fast as they can promote second tier guys up.

    Yet, not aggressive enough with the Radical Islamist Turrirists !?!?

    I’m pretty sure those folks are just racist bigots making mouth sounds without even understanding the words they use.

  97. 97.

    Dmbeaster

    June 18, 2016 at 11:21 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He’s the walking example of why rational actor/utility maximization theory has no real empirical validity for all its theoretical and mathematical elegance.

    The theory just needs to be modified to account for the gambit of the actor, as put above, who believes in the rational utility of juggling hand grenades.

    Trump thrives from the arbitrage he creates by his willingness to break rules. There is nothing unique about this strategy — as a business trial lawyer, I meet these types every day. Its just the Shock Doctrine taken from its macroeconomics context and implemented for individual benefit.

  98. 98.

    Dmbeaster

    June 18, 2016 at 11:32 am

    @srv: Your dreamy GOP candidate is a Democrat’s dream come true.

    I luv it every time you show up to pimp for Trump. Or as other’s would say, keep on fvcking that chicken.

  99. 99.

    Andy

    June 18, 2016 at 11:35 am

    California primary as of 6/17 9:26 pm

    Clinton 2,503,064 54.5%
    Sanders 2,044,428 44.5%

    Uncounted as of 6/17 5:30 pm 1.2 million

  100. 100.

    JosieJ (not Josie)

    June 18, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    You’d have to tie the offer to something that gets worse for Trump as time passes

    Something that gets worse as time passes? You mean, like, his odds of winning the presidency?

    Throw a half-billion dollars on the table, with the proviso that he has to accept right that moment and go directly to a press conference where he delivers a carefully-crafted (by the RNC) statement withdrawing from the race for “health reasons.” If he doesn’t take the deal there and then, $100 million comes off the table. For every 2 days that he spends dithering, another $100 million comes off the table until it’s all gone.

    Right now, it’s in his best interests to stall, since time is on his side. Take that away from him and he’s got nothin’.

  101. 101.

    Dmbeaster

    June 18, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    @JosieJ (not Josie): Trump’s response? My price is a billion and it goes up 100 million for every day you delay.

    Then its about who has correctly analyzed the time element of negotiation. Delay is on Trump’s side.

  102. 102.

    hedgehog the occasional commenter

    June 18, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Yikes! Hope all’s well.

  103. 103.

    JosieJ (not Josie)

    June 18, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    @Dmbeaster:

    Then the GOP walks away. At worst, they’re right where they started. Meanwhile, Trump has blown $0.5 billion reaching for $1 billion, and he’s still stuck in the race.

    Not that I want them to actually attempt this–I want to see Trump beaten like a rented mule in Nov!

  104. 104.

    Glennis Waterman

    June 18, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    @Hildebrand: And then what will happen the next day, when he says something else vile, racist and stupid?

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