These sanctimonious pricks:
Paul Ryan called the Democratic lawmakers’ sit-in Wednesday to protest inaction on gun laws a “publicity stunt,” saying that House liberals were more interested in headlines than solving the problem.
The speaker of the House also told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on “The Situation Room” that he was not planning on actively fundraising for Donald Trump’s cash-strapped campaign, and that he saw possible agreement between his pro-trade message and Trump’s protectionist sympathies.
But the sit-in that began earlier in Ryan’s chamber earned his scorn.
“This is nothing more than a publicity stunt,” Ryan said, saying House Democrats would infringe on Second Amendment rights and do nothing to prevent terrorist attacks. “This is not about a solution to a problem. This is about trying to get attention.”
Of course it’s a fucking publicity stunt. They are trying to publicize the fact that the house won’t even vote on stuff that 85% of the god damned country wants to happen. They’re trying, in vain, most likely, to shame you shameless sociopathic motherfuckers into doing something.
Not to mention, the Republicans have been sitting on their asses in the house for how many years now? Where’s that fucking jobs bill?
Deecarda
Inspiring to see the House Dems throwing the middle finger to the Repubs!
Baud
To clarify, voting 50 times to repeal Obamacare is not a stunt.
Patricia Kayden
Well, it is a pretty successful “publicity stunt”. Thank goodness that Dems are showing that they have spines and aren’t afraid to show up the do-nothing Republicans.
redshirt
The sit in won’t do a thing to change Republican Congressmen or Senators.
Hopefully, it will change some voter’s minds.
But that’s unlikely.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
immigration reform, re-authorizing the Iraq AUMF, a new AUMF for the war in Syria they all say they want… not voting on the pressing issues of the day, including the ones they just made up, is the new normal of the Boehner-Ryan era.
PatrickG
It can’t be a publicity stunt. The cameras were turned off.
lamh36
However this ends, I have never been more proud of the Dems right now.
Rep John Lewis…is a fuq’n BOSS!
My money is on John Lewis
Patricia Kayden
@PatrickG: You can watch it live on C-SPAN.
Trentrunner
Bernie came by for five minutes: Waves, gets picture taken, leaves.
Makes all three network newscasts.
This fucking guy.
MomSense
@Baud:
Word
Baud
BTW, the House is also having trouble passing appropriations bills. So this is not a good time for Ryan.
PatrickG
@Patricia Kayden: Well, I was referring to the fact that Ryan ordered the official House feed turned off. Attempt at snark. :)
sukabi
Can’t shame a sociopath, but you can outnumber and pressure them. Sounds like an opportunity for a mass sit in on the capitol mall.
Patricia Kayden
@Trentrunner: At least no one can say he didn’t show up.
Omnes Omnibus
My representative.
Trentrunner
Also, Elizabeth Warren has come two separate times, actually sat down.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Catching up on some of the speeches from the Dems, they are calling Ryan out in a way that surprises me.
Frank Pallone flat out called Republicans cowards.
lamh36
Folks always complain about the Dems being spineless…well here they are at the very least showing some spine…of course they don’t control the House, or the Senate, so whether there is a vote or not is STILL up to Paul Ryan.
Ryan still has something to prove, and unlike John Boehner, still got that “young man” spirit that hasn’t been beat down yet by the RWNJs so he will likely never let a vote happen.
But still, give the Dems in the House their due for this at least.
lamh36
Rep Lewis and Rep Clark are doing LIVE interview now with Maddow!
Trentrunner
Crowd is now gathering outside the Capitol.
Something’s happening here.
Good thing CNN is having its Libertarian Town Hall.
Davis X. Machina
@Trentrunner: Brought Dunkin’ — which is what one does in MA.
ETA House GOP now planning to bring up Zika funding bill, claim the sit-in is keeping them from passing it.
Patricia Kayden
Nancy Pelosi has promised to continue the sit-in until hell freezes over. Wonder what Ryan will do to shut it down. The Republican base won’t allow him to do anything about gun control.
Davis X. Machina
@Trentrunner: “Sorry, guys. I have a revolution to go to…”
Baud
@Trentrunner:
That has to be a paid advertisement.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Yep..awesome..
A true American hero.
lamh36
@Patricia Kayden: actually, I think that was Maxine Waters?
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: I don’t understand why House Republicans are afraid to vote against gun control. Their Senate colleagues did.
Davis X. Machina
Note from his mom passed to Keith Ellison earlier today by an aide…
rikyrah
@Patricia Kayden:
C-SPAN via Periscope.
Can you imagine being Periscope?
What advertising!
debbie
Not stopping anyone on the terrorist watch list from purchasing guns is clearly the way to prevent terrorist attacks, ammirite?
lamh36
Paul Ryan can’t be this stupid…
PatrickG
@Davis X. Machina:
Appropriations Bill
R: We won’t pass it.
D: You want another sit-in about guns you goddamn cowards?
R: (massive flurry of action)
Repeal Obamacare
R: We’re going to…
D: Guns. Sit in. We’re game.
R: Never mind.
and so forth.
SRW1
@Davis X. Machina:
I guess that shows who’s boss.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Up or down Vote…
why are they scared about it.
Corner Stone
“But we shall not be moved.”
/John Lewis on Maddow
Amazeballs
rikyrah
@lamh36:
I dunno lamh….
MomSense
@lamh36:
I’m so proud to be a Democrat and John Lewis is a national treasure.
Schlemazel Khan
@Trentrunner:
Will it feature that male stripper from their convention?
Johnny Coelacanth
I was wondering how the liberal media was covering the sit-in. CNN.com’s main story is ‘There’s a Third Choice’ featuring the Libertarian candidates, whoever they are. Democratic sit-in gets a much smaller “Breaking News” picture next to that. No obvious headlines about Trump’s speech, but it’s a crowded page.
MSNBC goes big with the sit-in story, then Clinton’s speech (“no pivot to center for Clinton”), then a focus story on Rep. Lewis. Asshole’s speech is the fourth minor item in the list of headlines. Fox features some “who cares” immigration outrage as their main story; the sit-in is relegated to minor coverage beneath horse-racey politics and Bill O’Reilly’s opinion.
You nightly news watchers out there can tell us where the TV broadcasts are falling.
gf120581
Why do I get the feeling John Boehner is watching this footage of Ryan and laughing his ass off before downing his latest fifth of Scotch?
maya
So, what did Wolfie do then? Did he go down on Ryan, as he is supposed to, according to the Punditry Code of Urethratics?
lamh36
PaulWartenberg2016
@lamh36:
Yes, Paul Ryan can be this stupid, because he knows this would make him look good to the only audience HE panders to over on Fox Not-News.
Baud
@gf120581: Ha! Happiest man in the world right now.
Schlemazel Khan
@Johnny Coelacanth:
Mrs had NBC on this evening & they led with Drumpf’s speech but pointed out it was a pack of lies & BS.
JPL
@Davis X. Machina: haha.. A son mentioned to me that if he were in that position, the same thing would happen. I said thank you.
smith
Who’s the guy from Conn speaking on the floor right now? He’s really good.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Trentrunner:
#NotUsMe
Corner Stone
“We believe in the way of peace, in the way of love. And the way of nonviolence. We will respect the dignity and the worth of our colleagues.”
“But we shall not be moved.”
/John Lewis more full answer to Maddow’s
lamh36
@Johnny Coelacanth: If Paul Ryan uses capitol police to forcefully remove the Dem congress folk…you can bet ur bottom dolla…it will make big news…
Paul Ryan can’t be so stupid as to do that though???
Chip Daniels
A big part of activism is just giving inspiration to the rank and file to show them that their leaders are willing to fight.
Keep doing stuff like this, and it makes GOTV that much easier.
? Martin
Nice refresher on the lessons that the GOP failed to learn from California.
hovercraft
@Baud:
But I’m told he has restored order to the house, and brought real policy ideas back to the house republicans. The savior who will provide a serious face for the GOP during the election and show America that they can govern. The bold leader who will lead the republicans back from the wilderness.
Mike J
@lamh36:
Fire hoses and Germ,an shepherds would complete the look.
gf120581
@Schlemazel Khan: Also known as your typical Trump speech.
To paraphrase Steve Benen, trying to fact check Trump is utterly exhausting. He lies so much you have to move like the Flash just to keep up.
Baud
House GOP: IF YOU DON’T STOP THIS RIGHT NOW WE’RE GOING TO START WORKING!!!
Johnny Coelacanth
@lamh36: My thoughts and prayers go out to him; we can only hope he’s as dumb as he looks.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s my congress critter. Jersey in the house.
TS
@lamh36:
Of course he can – he is part of a political party that voted for Donald Trump for US President.
eemom
Paul Ryan is a soul-dead piece of shit.
Uncle Ebeneezer
If only there was some sort of process for trying to enact a “solution”…you know, like proposing bills and then voting for them.
gf120581
@lamh36: I could see it happening. The guy’s under immense pressure and he could easily snap and make a disastrous decision.
If he weren’t who he is, I might almost pity him. The worst job in DC is to be a GOP House Speaker.
Johnny Coelacanth
BTW if you’re on the Twitter with the youngs, the #NoBillNoBreak tag is blowing up with some great stuff.
lurker dean
ezra klein called the recent dem actions “stunts” on twitter, really pissed me off. people are dying and he writes off actions by john lewis and others as stunts.
TS
@gf120581:
Cause Paul Ryan is making Boehner look like a well adjusted efficient Speaker – never thought that could happen.
lamh36
@eemom: right…I see Josh at TPM, Sam Stein and Hayes are all in the Paul Ryan would never…
Pssht…Paul Ryan aint Boehner…he’s a young fool who still has something to prove to the Freedom Caucus and the rest of his RWNJ caucus…wouldn’t put a damn thing past him
Baud
Aw, jeez Rachel. Now we have a Sanders concession watch?
Davis X. Machina
@lamh36:
If the NRA tells him to do it, he’ll do it.
Every Danton has his Robespierre.
FlyingToaster
@Johnny Coelacanth: It’s the third video on each of the Boston area newscast sites (CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox). Each market will depend upon how many of their representatives are on the floor :)
Iowa Old Lady
Ryan screwed this up by making it confrontational and giving the Dems a chance to make headlines with the way the Rs were blocking things. I suppose it never occurred to him that Lewis would start a sit in. Why would it, after all? However this ends, Ryan and his party will look bad.
Sort of like how they look for nominating Trump.
lamh36
@Johnny Coelacanth: Kim K. West tweeted the following to her 41Million followers on twitter…so yeah…
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: Ruh roh.
Baud
@lamh36:
@Major Major Major Major:
Shit just got real.
rikyrah
President Obama
7 hrs ·
Today, people on both sides of the Atlantic are coming together to honor the remarkable life of Jo Cox. I did not have the privilege of knowing her. But I know the spirit that defined her life. When I first ran for President, she came to America and volunteered on my campaign. She gave her time and passion to a country that was not her own because she believed in an idea that transcends borders and cultures – the power of people to bring about change, from the grassroots up.
She later described being in North Carolina on election night watching an elderly African American grandmother holding her granddaughter on her knees. And through her tears, she told her granddaughter, “When I was your age they said we couldn’t sit on the bus, now we’re the President. We must never doubt how much things can change.”
Jo knew that our politics, at its best, still works – that, if we recognize our humanity in each other, we can advance the social justice, human dignity and peace that we seek in the world.
Reflecting on a difficult time in university, she once said that it made her realize that it mattered where you were born, how you spoke and who you knew.
In her radiant life, Jo turned that truth on its head. She was such an effective public servant for her beloved Yorkshire because she was born there. She earned the respect of her colleagues in Parliament because she was unafraid to speak her mind. And countless women, children and refugees around the world live with more dignity and hope because they knew Jo Cox and were touched by her work on their behalf.
Today, we stand united – British, Americans and people around the world – to affirm that the hate and violence that took her from us are ultimately no match for the love and compassion that she spread in her life.
On behalf of the American people, I offer our deepest condolences to Jo’s parents, sister, husband Brendan, son Cuillin and daughter Lejla. May these two young children, like all our children, never doubt how much things can change. With our help, may they grow up in a world of greater tolerance, justice and peace – a future that would make their mum proud.
bearcalypse
There really was nothing stopping the democrats from supporting the republican amendments to chip away at the issue and drive a wedge between the republicans and the NRA, but noooo..
Johnny Coelacanth
@lamh36: Wowzers. This could get really big.
TS
@Baud:
Not to mention a Hillary VP conspiracy in progress. Hillary wants people to think Elizabeth Warren will be her VP choice – because – crickets.
lamh36
@Iowa Old Lady: he fuqn’ed it up by thinking turning off the cameras meant anything… this ain’t the 90s or early 00s…social media has changed the game on live camera.
Hell…anyone with a cell phone and a periscope account can shoot LIVE video. Hell even FB has LIVE video capabilities…
The Obama White House understanding and use of social media platforms was shoo-shoo by GOP pols and pundits…but now look…
lamh36
Kmarsh
Lewis and Clark?
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: Some of the responses are heartening.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@MomSense: Yup. And look at the diversity of our party. Such a stark contrast to the GOP.
Gravenstone
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m jealous. I’ve got Grothman to deal with. *shudder*
lamh36
what if the Dems just DON’T leave the floor?
rikyrah
Joaquin Castro ✔ @JoaquinCastrotx
Update: Police officers gathering near the House floor. The crowd below the steps of the Capitol keeps growing.
8:35 PM – 22 Jun 2016
lamh36
I fully expect Rep John Lewis to stay until the end. other Dem colleagues may want to leave, but John Lewis won’t go any damn where
If the Dems do this tonight…I swear I will donate money to each and every one of them to did this!
rikyrah
@jbendery 2h2 hours ago
John Lewis says he never imagined he’d be in House w/Jim Clyburn protesting together, 50 yrs later. Put his hand on back of Clyburn’s head.
Amaranthine RBG
Relevant: http://gawker.com/the-democrats-are-boldly-fighting-for-a-bad-stupid-bil-1782449026
rikyrah
@JamalSimmons 1h1 hour ago
If #Dems lock arms around the Speakers chair +deny access and they call the Sgt. At Arms to arrest members I might lose it. #NoBillNoBreak
Gravenstone
@lamh36: Might not be for the Congresspeople. rather he might be looking to clear the galleries and anyone not a member of the House from the room. Still, not the ZEGS’ finest moment.
lamh36
@rikyrah: lol…we are repeating each other…lol…
PaulWartenberg2016
what’s the current situation?
lamh36
Happening now…
@digiphile 17m17 minutes ago
Hundreds of people are outside of the @uscapitol at 9:30 PM. Men, women & children, standing & sharing
Major Major Major Major
Joaquin Castro Retweeted
Manu Raju @mkraju 2h2 hours ago
Rep. Tom Cole told me that after the House votes to adjourn tonight, the lights and AC may turn off.
lamh36
Schlemazel Khan
@gf120581:
But it was stunning to hear NBC focus on the lies. Our masters must be really frightened of Drumpf to allow journalists to do their job/
rikyrah
I love today. I am proud to be a Democrat. It’s time to show the differences between the parties. The Democrats stomped on Trump’s ‘new roll out’, and I couldn’t be happier.
lamh36
Wow…Rep Tammy fuqn’ Duckworth!
Amaranthine RBG
Story up on Gawker that’s relevant:
the-democrats-are-boldly-fighting-for-a-bad-stupid-bill
Can’t link to it for some reason
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
Because, what, John Lewis was willing to be beaten by police at the Edmund Pettis Bridge, but he can’t do without air conditioning? FFS.
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh36:
Lewis and Clark!!
lamh36
Tammy Duckworth…
@GammaCounter 46m46 minutes ago
Congresswoman has to hide phone in leg prosthesis so GOP reps can’t censor speech. USA! USA!
aimai
@Baud: Make it a death watch and I’m in.
Iowa Old Lady
I have to admit I cringed at seeing uh…mature bones sitting on the floor for hours.
The Lodger
@Amaranthine RBG: Fail.
rikyrah
Al Giordano’s History Lesson for today on John Lewis.
Major Major Major Major
Paul Ryan is pathetic. What an own-goal. Should’ve just held the vote and let it fail.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
uh uh uh
damn shame.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Omnes Omnibus: My representative apparently had to be nagged by his mother to show up.
lamh36
Omnes Omnibus
@Amaranthine RBG: It’s a conspiracy to keep you from expressing your views. Obviously.
Fair Economist
@lamh36:
They won’t go. There’s a feeling when things like this happen – it’s what revolutions are made of. It’s electric, and nobody will want to leave.
gene108
Dems got the GOP to show up to work!!!
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here are all of the victims of Orlando’s nightclub shooting
Go fuck yourself.
lamh36
MomSense
Keep calling your reps!
Maybe we should start sending pizzas.
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: Holy fuck, that’s awesome.
Chyron HR
@Amaranthine RBG:
oklahomo
@Omnes Omnibus: Too bad that’s not true. I could support that conspiracy.
Betty Cracker
@Major Major Major Major: Yeah. Can’t figure out what he thinks he’s going to accomplish with the current action either. Is caving in to Wall Street swindlers supposed to intimidate the Democrats somehow?
rikyrah
I can’t believe we’re seeing all of this because of Periscope…
fabulous.
Baud
@oklahomo: It’s true. We’ll talk offline.
gf120581
@MomSense: Well, if they shut off the AC and the power, send them flashlights and portable fans.
Corner Stone
Speaker Ryan has lost this House.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here are all of the victims from Sandy Hook.
Go fuck yourself.
Corner Stone
It’s freakin’ after 10:00PM in DC. These people have no idea what this is going to be about.
amk
wow teann. the dems earned his ‘scorn’ ? shame on dems.
Gemina13
I have never been so proud of the Democrats in the House. And John Lewis needs to be designated a national treasure.
That said, I hope the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver tries having the Ds hauled away. His political career will be deader than Jeb!’s.
gene108
@rikyrah:
C-SPAN cameras turned back on, when Ryan gaveled the session back in.
Ryan’s in waaaaaaayyyyy over his head.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here are all of the victims from the Colorado movie theater shooting.
Go fuck yourself.
lamh36
aimai
@Mnemosyne: Thank you so much, Mnemo.
Seth Owen
@rikyrah: beautiful
lamh36
JosieJ (not Josie)
John Lewis and his partners in the civil rights struggle woke up every morning knowing that, best case scenario, they were going to get a beatdown from the police, and they protested anyway. Can you imagine the courage it took to simply go on about your day with that hanging over you?
John Lewis may be in his 70s now instead of in his 20s, but Paul Ryan has nothing capable of cowing him. Nothing the Capitol police do could be worse than the Alabama state policemen and Klansmen that Lewis has already faced down.
Gandhi said “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” If the police are called in to break up this protest, we will be one step away from winning!
amk
@Mnemosyne: It’s an ammosexual bernbot troll.
Gemina13
@Corner Stone: Not sure he ever really had it in the first place. Like walking the family bulldog, Little Paulie was in over his head from the moment he took the leash.
Mike J
@rikyrah:
Have they IPOed yet? Now’s the time if not.
Baud
I never realized that the Baud! 2016! campaign would inspire people to this extent.
lollipopguild
There is something happening here. What it is isn’t exactly clear.
dmsilev
@Gemina13: I can’t imagine Ryan would be that stupid. His whole shtick is ‘I’m the reasonable Republican’, the adult who is taming the feral beasts of the GOP righter-wing caucus. Sending in the Capitol police to drag away John Lewis engaged in a non-violent protest, well, he might as well legally change his middle name to ‘Bull’ at that point.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne: Orlando
@Mnemosyne: Sandy Hook
@Mnemosyne: Aurora
Mnem, you are amazing. This is amazing. Thank you.
Felonius Monk
@Amaranthine RBG:
The internet is often not kind to assholes.
dmsilev
@Mike J: Twitter bought them a year or so ago.
LAO
Could Luke russert be a bigger douche?
The Ancient Randonneur
Establishment Democrats! I hope the Sanders crowd is taking notes while they practice for the fart-in.
Zinsky
This is a historic moment. The Democrats have hijacked the fucking right-wing sociopaths kabuki theater and the wing nuts are astonished. They are finally calling that smarmy rodent, Paul Ryan’s bluff and the adenoidal Eddie Munster has no clue what to do. Fuck you Ryan!!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Weaver was one of the 2000 McCain people, wasn’t he?
lamh36
SoupCatcher
@? Martin: Nice to see Segura’s co-project, Latino Decisions, getting some press.
eta Of course it doesn’t hurt that the two leads are from Stanford and UCLA =)
JPL
@lollipopguild: Are you Doug..
What surprises me is that they tried to overturn a veto on their return.. One other way to screw the average joe.
Amaranthine RBG
These remarks didn’t receive the coverage they should have:
-Search Sacramento Bee re Dalai Lama’s comments [link not working]
It is unproductive and unfortunate that people who claim to be concerned about preventing the death of others engage in ugly and destructive name-calling.
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh36:
@lamh36:
In tears now.
I’m half tempted to break my lease and move 15 miles closer into town, for the sole purpose of having John Lewis as my Representative in Congress.
Mnemosyne
@aimai:
@SiubhanDuinne:
I have more. There are always more. But I don’t have the heart to post them right now.
? Martin
@Mike J:
Periscope is a Twitter property. Was on the verge of death once Facebook Live Video launched. Just got a short reprieve, but Facebook will clearly come as the leader.
SiubhanDuinne
@LAO:
Asked and answered.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: I’d be careful. My son and friend had Lewis as their rep until they gerrymandered him into a tighter district. Moving isn’t enough.
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Couldn’t have said it better myself John!
Amaranthine RBG
@SiubhanDuinne: Yes and wouldn’t it be nice if the bill for which Lewis and others are demanding a vote would accomplish something to make such shootings less likely?
Oh well, no matter, it’s time to FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES. WE **CAREZ**
lamh36
@SiubhanDuinne: gawd…I refuse to even listen to him
hovercraft
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick CSPAN caller Joe from Las Vegas agrees with Trump (though Trump never said it) that if there had been more guns in Orlando the outcome would have been better. America number 1.
Mike in NC
Tonight that bastard Hastert is in an orange jumpsuit. Is it too much to hope that Gingrich and Ryan will also some day?
Misterpuff
Dems with Spines? Dems with Soul? Dems with TACTICS? Can my 59 year old heart take it?>
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne:
Doesn’t matter. As long as you can keep telling Amaranthine RBG to go fuck himself, it’s all good.
But bloody hell, all those names and photos, rolling in, wave after wave… heartbreaking and powerful.
Omnes Omnibus
@LAO: Probably. How sad is that?
Baud
Veto sustained!
lamh36
Corner Stone
@Amaranthine RBG: I was ***so close***. But you only used two asterisks, and not three.
Dammit. I was *right there*
Mike J
Recess.
smith
Looks like the House just voted on something, but I can’t see what. My cable went out just as the Rs came in, and I’m on a phone tether right now, which is less than optimal.
Schlemazel Khan
@JosieJ (not Josie):
The minister that confirmed me marched with them in Selma. He talked to us about the experience, they held a session discussing exactly what to expect & beatings were discussed along with several other things. No ties was a rule as you would be chocked, perhaps to death. Those arrested were forced to stand on the asphalt parking lot in the afternoon sun with no water. They knew this was coming & went anyway.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Kudos to the Dems in the Senate and house for standing up (or sitting down I should say!) to the asshole politicians bought and paid for by the NRA.
First a filibuster and now an actual sit-in!
FUCK YEAH
Amaranthine RBG
@SiubhanDuinne:
Yes, 9/11 changed everything. Let’s invade Iraq!
Pretty much the same pathetic flawed reasoning taking place here. >>> Something bad happened >>> lets use the tragedy to push for something unrelated >>> if you don’t support it then you hate children!!!.
? Martin
@JosieJ (not Josie): More importantly, the core of the civil rights movement which Lewis was part of was not about making statements. It was about achieving real change. They were laser focused on that.
I don’t think Lewis would have started this if he didn’t see a viable path to bringing a result. Maybe not today or this week, but I don’t think he’d waste his time if he didn’t see some degree of success here. I think Trump’s divisiveness is an important catalyst. Remember, every member of the House is up for re-election and the GOP all carry Trump’s stink. That won’t bother a lot of them, but there’s dozens of GOPs that are on thin ice right now in their districts. I think Lewis sees an opportunity that maybe the rest of us can’t see.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here are the victims from Tucson.
Go fuck yourself.
lucslawyer
Oh, look, amar rbg is back with his nra patter.
lamh36
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here are the victims from the South Carolina church shootings.
Go fuck yourself.
Betty Cracker
@Mnemosyne: Brava.
MomSense
@gf120581:
Yes! And ice.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I was in the next room, but I think Norm Ornstein said he sees this as a sea change similar to same-sex marriage, from a wedge issue that scared Democrats to one that scares Republicans.
Fits Ryan’s conduct
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
Tears.
dmsilev
@smith: I think they were trying to overturn an Obama veto. The bill in question would have rolled back new regulations on the financial advice industry require more advisors to have a fiduciary duty towards their clients (ie not push overly expensive investments for which the advisers are getting sales commissions).
Way to go, GOP. The Democrats are staging a protest to try to do something, anything about the gun crisis, and your response is to try to allow the finance industry to gouge its customers.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He did say that. I thought it was fascinating too.
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
And yet some people are more worried about being allowed to keep their toys than they are about human lives.
lamh36
Villago Delenda Est
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Cowards are what the Rethugs are, and cowards make up the leadership of the most effective terrorist organization in this country, the NRA.
JosieJ (not Josie)
@Schlemazel Khan:
Yup. Took immense courage.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
gf120581
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: You got to wonder how many more wedge issues the GOP is going to have left. They’re losing them fast.
dexwood
@Mnemosyne:
Others have said it. My turn, thank you.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne: Tucson
@Mnemosyne: South Carolina
There is a reason your nym is that of the goddess of Memory.
You will not let us forget.
LAO
@Omnes Omnibus: totally off topic. At NSFW court appearance, you may “appreciate” ( I use that term loosely). Link, defies description
Not a sovereign citizen btw.
hovercraft
@smith:
They tried to override Obama veto of rules that financial advisors must have their clients best interest as their number one priority. You know looking out for those poor oppressed people on Wall St.
Gemina13
@Mnemosyne:
::applauds:: I can’t look at the pictures, though.
It’s not about the fucking bill. It’s about forcing the do-nothing GOP bloc in the House to do something. A six-year-old could understand how this works.
CaseyL
@Mnemosyne: Thank you. A perfect fuck-you to that little shit.
Misterpuff
@? Martin: He’s recasting the argument from Gun Control to “Being Safe from the Threat of Gun Violence is a Civil Right” .
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Gemina13: the Concern is starting about the precedent the Dems are setting. It’s a fair point, but I can’t think of an issue that would put Dems in a similar position, where they’re afraid to take a vote. The GOP has been trying to do it with abortion for years.
Amaranthine RBG
Here’ a list of people who died on the Costa Concordia:
Concordia Passengers
Barbara Heil – Minnesota, usa
Brunhilde Werp – Germany
Christina Mathi Ganz – Germany
Dayana Arlotti – Italy
Egon Hoer – Germany
Elilsabeth Bauer – Germany
Francis Servel – France
Gabriel Grube – Germany
Gerald ‘Jerry’ Heil – Minnesota, usa
Giovanni Masia – Italy
Gual Guillermo – Italy
Horst Galle – Germany
Inge Schall – Germany
Jean-Pierre Micheaud – France
Concordia Passengers
Jeannette Gannard – France
Josef Werp – Germany
Luisa Antonio Virzi – Italy
Margarethe Neth – Germany
Margrit Schoeter – Germany
Maria D’Introna – Italy
Maria Grazia Trecarichi – Italy
Michael Blemand – France
Mylene Litzler – France
Norbert Joseph Ganz – Germany
Pierre Gregoire – France
Siglinde Stumpf – Germany
William Arlotti – Italy
Concordia Crew Members
Erika Fani Soriamolina – crew member, waitress, Peru
Girolamo Giuseppe – staff musician, Italy
Russel Terence Rebello – crew member, waiter, India
Sandor Feher – Staff musician, Hungary
Tomas_Alberto_Costilla_Mendoza – crew
————–
Like all of the people in the lists people have been posting, none of them would have been saved by the bill that Lewis, and others, are calling for a vote.
pat
@rikyrah:
it’s late and now I am going to bed with tears in my eyes for this exceptional woman.
What a terrible loss.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@efgoldman: I think Betty said this is the latest ‘nym of the long time NRA troll Steve- something
Omnes Omnibus
@LAO: WTFF?
Lurker Extraordinaire
Some people here* just don’t get it. It’s not about whether the bill would do anything to prevent more Orlandos, Sandy Hooks, Tucsons, etc, it’s about the fact that the Repukes don’t even want to VOTE on it.
When I mean some people*, I mean just one idiot.
Amaranthine RBG
@efgoldman:
You should look of the Dalai Lama’s comments in Sacramento last week. He discussed how how people should strive for “inner disarmament.”
The violent and hateful language you and other’s use is a symptom of the problem that Americans have treating others with dignity and respect even when – gasp – they hold different political views.
lucslawyer
@Amaranthine RBG:
Gee, when are you going to bring up automobiles, knives, bats, and all the other red herrings of which you people are so fond?
smith
@dmsilev: @hovercraft: Thanks. Could the Rs come off as looking any more lame?
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of all of the people who were killed in San Bernardino.
Go fuck yourself.
redshirt
@efgoldman: It’s interesting how fast some of the BernieBros transformed into straight Republican assholes.
pseudonymous in nc
This actually feels significant. The means of broadcast have been taken out of Ryan’s hands.
And just seeing the House from non C-SPAN angles feels like it’s breaking a fourth wall. You get a sense of its dimensions.
The Lodger
@Amaranthine RBG: Kiss my disarmed, nonviolent ass.
LAO
@Omnes Omnibus: I know. The judge was/is just as bad as the defendant. I have never read a transcript quite that crazy. I’ve certainly never viewed it live either.
Amaranthine RBG
@lucslawyer:
I think, instead, I will bring up the line from the Gawker article about this: The best way to get gun control passed in this country is to just make it illegal for Muslims to own guns. Lots of Republicans would sign on to that and, apparently, I believe that lots of self-proclaimed Democrats would, too, because, Hey – fewer gunz is a GOOD THING, so never mind about all all that other stuff.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of all of the people who were killed at Virginia Tech.
Go fuck yourself.
lucslawyer
@Amaranthine RBG:
Awww, you play the victim so well.
dmsilev
@smith: I’m sure they’ll find a way. I don’t think Trump has weighed in yet; that would almost certainly up the offensive stupidity quotient.
The Thin Black Duke
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think that’s a very perceptive comment. I believe more and more people in this country are realizing that the odds of being killed by a lunatic exercising his 2nd Amendment rights is more likely than winning a lottery ticket, and most people really don’t want to live like that. The next step is when people finally understand that “thoughts and prayers” isn’t going to stop the escalating gun violence, only their votes will. And hopefully people will stop voting for the NRA’s sock puppets, because if they do, they can’t blame the Democrats when things get worse. Look at what’s happening tonight. They tried.
aimai
@Amaranthine RBG: Oh will you fuck off? And this bill won’t stop death from happening to everyone on the planet, at some point, either. So fucking what, you odious little troll? So fucking what?
smith
Looks like at least one R stayed to heckle. This is getting lively.
gene108
The guy, who made the analogy of a grade school kid with a stick was great. Do you take the kid’s stick away or give every kid a stick? Any adult with a shred of sense would take the kid’s stick away.
Fair Economist
@Betty Cracker:
retweet
AnthroBabe
Amazing!! Just posted to my FB that the ‘CBC’ and ‘establishment’ Demos are doing this.
Geez they are screaming at each other on CNN!!! “Radical Islam killed these peoples” – REPUB
Shit’s going dooooownnnn….
gene108
@smith:
R’s trying to argue about Radical Islam killing the folks in Orlando.
Eric U.
oh, it’s Steve from Antioch. What, does he have a script that reads an RSS feed?
Greg
@Amaranthine RBG:
There is a second bill that would allow the CDC to actually study gun violence. Have any idiotic arguments against voting on that one, you asshole?
lucslawyer
@Amaranthine RBG:
lol…you are such a concern troll, aren’t you?
Amaranthine RBG
@aimai: There is quite a bit of daylight between “word stop death from happening to everyone on the planet” and “wouldn’t have prevented the death of any of the people on the lists” posted by people who are don’t hesitate to cynically exploit other’s deaths as long as it makes them feel better about themselves.
Quite a bit of daylight, indeed.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here is a list of all of the people killed at Umpqua Community College.
Go fuck yourself.
hovercraft
@Amaranthine RBG:
In the immortal words of
Fair Economist
@Amaranthine RBG:
That will only be the first bill. There will be more. The slaughter from guns can be stopped, and, finally, it looks like it will.
Amaranthine RBG
Mmmmm, smell the intoxicating mixture of self-regard and cynicism. Hope the mix is gluten free!
Patricia Kayden
@TS: Word.
jnfr
@Corner Stone:
That’s perfect. So beautiful.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of the victims in the Washington Navy Yard shootings.
Go fuck yourself.
redshirt
@Amaranthine RBG: In the meantime, Go Bernie!
Amaranthine RBG
@Fair Economist: Fair enough. If one is going to pick a hill to die on, it should be one that matters.
But trumpeting one’s principles in support of a bill that, aside from its problematic disregard of due process, would not actually accomplish anything is just silly.
I guess it may energize the base – particularly the less informed among them.
Mary G
Just got off the phone on a “Tele-TownHall” with good old Darrell Issa. He must be sweating this election because he called me. It was, as it often is with these guys, a total clusterfuck. They called me in the middle of an answer about gun control. He was regurgitating the usual FREEDUMB talking points. He said the founding fathers wrote the bill of rights in order of importance, so after freedom of speech and religion (he left out the free press, oddly enough). guns are our second most important right in America.
Then he took calls from two or three really old people, one of whom migrated here from Europe in 1964 to get away from socialismm and it followed him here, oh noes. Then a lady who said she used to work with SAP, whatever that is, and therefore she knows for a fact that Hillary got people killed with her illegal email system. Darrell issued a couple of boilerplate non sequiturs and added that they are still investigating her emails. Then a guy asked if the San Onofre nuclear plant, which is being decommissioned in a way many people object to, couldn’t be converted to a desalinization plant. Darrell actually seemed to know something about this topic and discussed a pilot program being built now in Carlsbad, but said it’d be at least a decade before they could determine if San Onofre qualified. He also took a few shots at John Lewis and the “immaturity” of the sit-in today.
Between every call there were lengthy delays, where he kept clicking on names but not getting a connection. Gary, Gary, Gary are you there. Congressman, can you hear me. My favorite part was when he told his chief of staff that this was total bullshit, oops, open mic shut off.
Then he had to go vote and they gave us a survey. I voted for Obamacare to continue, for illegal, sorry undocumented, aliens (they used that formulation every single time) to be allowed to buy health insurance through the California exchange, and whether the waste from San Onofre should stay here in its pools right next to the ocean or be moved inland to a temporary storage until a permanent storage can be found.
After he finished voting, he came back on the line and asked if I, or we, could hear him. When it became obvious that was not the case, he said bullshit again to his flunkies, and they came on and said that due to the obvious technical difficulties, the rest of the thing would have to be cancelled. What a maroon. I was allowed to leave a voicemail, since I didn’t get an answer to my question, and I did. Gun control, we wants it.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of the shooting victims in Isla Vista.
Go fuck yourself.
Frank Wilhoit
For Something’s sake, people, can we stop feeding the goddamn troll? Arguments like his are worth refuting when they are placed in the public discourse by persons who are nominally responsible. This here a’n’t the public discourse and anonymous trolls are merely attempting to exercise authority without responsibility, which is unacceptable. The only way to hurt him is to ignore him, so just the fuck do it, mmkay?
lucslawyer
@Amaranthine RBG:
Oh, the stink of self-righteous condescension…guaranteed gluten-free.
Betty Cracker
@Amaranthine RBG: I don’t know the circumstances of every weapons purchase by every violent lunatic who has committed one of the mass murders mentioned in this thread. But I do know the Charleston AME church killer wouldn’t have been able to purchase his murder weapon if the background check law now on the books had been strengthened as proposed in one of the bills under consideration, so you’re wrong on the facts.
Moreover, you’re unclear on the concept; no one thinks any gun safety measure is going to eliminate all gun violence. The idea is to reduce it.
PS: Go fuck yourself.
hovercraft
@redshirt:
There some speculation that many of the BrenieBros were Ron Paulites and libertards who would never have supported Hillary in the first place. Yes there are liberals who do not like her, but those people would either stay home or vote for Stein. No true liberal would vote for Trump. Now Naderites on the other hand they would vote for anyone against a democrat to punish them for not being pure enough. Warren is a big sellout ,right?
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of the people killed at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin.
Go fuck yourself.
AnthroBabe
Samantha Bee on twitter:
@houseDems: Do you need sleepover supplies? Phone chargers? Ouija board? A DVD of Dirty Dancing?
lucslawyer
@Frank Wilhoit:
Yeah, but this is fun. I think of it as sharpening the argument, seeing what kind of tripe an ammosexual trots out to defend the indefensible.
Mnemosyne
@Frank Wilhoit:
I’m not arguing. I’m posting facts.
Fair Economist
@Mnemosyne: It’s really horrifying Mnemosyne has so much to post, and I know she could go all night. When I see those lists roll on and on it’s hard to believe it got this bad, NRA or no.
P.S. Your handle is singularly appropriate tonight. They will not be forgotten, indeed.
Tazj
@Greg: Yes, he has to go back and read Pareene’s article. He has updated it to say that the Democrats want to vote on other measures besides the “no fly, no buy” one. This pretty much destroys the premise of the piece that the Dems were picking the wrong hill to die on.
gwangung
@Amaranthine RBG: You know, the bill could be amended to be much better….IF THE REPUBLICANS BROUGHT IT UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
Now go fuck yourself.
Frank Wilhoit
@Mnemosyne: Anything other than silence is encouragement.
The Lodger
If the no-fly list is inaccurate and unconstitutional, clean up the list before anyone on it can get their damn guns. That might be motivation to fix it sooner rather than later.
The Lodger
Also, thanks, Mnemosyne. It’s got to be painful seeing all those names.
maya
@efgoldman:
The GOP standard reply: “Please sir, I want some more.”
Edit: La Pierre is known among friends as just, Pepe.
Amaranthine RBG
@Tazj: Oh really, when did that change?
Someone must have realized the optics were bad on this one.
Amaranthine RBG
@efgoldman:
Tell us all some more about what you think about teh gheys …
Amaranthine RBG
@The Lodger:
The list is, by definition, an accurate list of people who are under suspicion. The problem with the list is that it curtails the rights of people on the list without due process.
The RWNJs think that’s cool since most people on the list are muslim ore brownish and, apparently, lots of democrats think the list is hunky dory since it can be used to prevent gun sales. So, net good.
Disgusting.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of the victims in the Minneapolis workplace shooting. It does not include the name of the 6th victim who died 2 weeks later.
Go fuck yourself.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: you’re lucky in your representative.
maya
@Amaranthine RBG: Really no big secret that a Congressional men’s room can adequately accommodate a number of self loathing republican homosexuals at any given time. Respect only comes with admission, and, just like gun control legislation, they will never eva admit to that.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of the victims in the Santa Monica College shootings.
Go fuck yourself.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Before him, it was Tammy Baldwin.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Here’s a list of the victims in the Oikos University shootings.
Go fuck yourself.
Ferd ofthe Nort
Until movement is possible, nothing can be fixed. The no fly no buy bill is deeply flawed. So what. Once movement begins, momentum is possible.
A RGB – move or get run over.
You have my thoughts and prayers
Omnes Omnibus
@Amaranthine RBG: You know as well as everyone else here that the primary purpose of this effort is to highlight the absolute refusal of the GOP to even discuss gun regulation. The GOP has the votes to defeat the legislation, don’t they?
manyakitty
@lamh36: That gives me the first glimmer of respect for her. Good.
Miss Bianca
@lamh36: this is…astonishing. I can’t even express how I feel.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@Mnemosyne: Mnem, you’re doing the work of the Prophets tonight. Thank you for that.
redshirt
@efgoldman: He’s not worth the energy, man. Just another troll, trolling.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: *We* knew. : )
@The Ancient Randonneur: And speaking of fart-ins…is it true that Sen. Sanders basically breezed in for a photo op and then left? How can any of his his fans take him seriously after that?
Miss Bianca
@Amaranthine RBG: Dude, you are so flailing.
eemom
@Amaranthine RBG:
What are you, exactly? Serious question. Don’t really expect an honest answer, but it can’t hurt to ask.
The obvious possibility, of course, is a right wing troll bot; and of course, you’d never admit it if that’s what the truth is.
So let’s suppose, by way of argument, that you actually believe what you are posting here tonight, and what you’ve posted here before. How do you reconcile this insane anti-gun-control bullshit with your previous persona as someone concerned about human life?
Mnemosyne
@Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant):
I confess, I’m cribbing from this comprehensive list compiled by the LA Times.
The saddest part is, except for the Virginia Tech shootings, I’ve been mostly going in backwards chronological order and still haven’t reached the beginning of Obama’s first term. And that’s with leaving out shootings with fewer than 5 victims.
MikeBoyScout
Let’s go to DC
No one else can take our place.
Though your brother’s bound and gagged
And they’ve chained him to a chair
Won’t you please come to Chicago
Just to sing
In a land that’s known as freedom
How can such a thing be fair
Won’t you please come to Chicago
For the help that we can bring
We can change the world
Re-arrange the world
It’s dying … to get better
Politicians sit yourself down
There’s nothing for you here
Won’t you please come to Chicago
For a ride
Villago Delenda Est
No one is talking about taking away bolt action rifles, used in hunting.
The only weapons that will need to be dealt with are military grade semi automatic weapons with replaceable magazines, or as my infantrymen buddies call them, CLIPS.
No need for ANY civilian to have one of these weapons. Period. End of discussion.
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est:
Aside from the “buddies” thing, THIS!
Tazj
@Tazj: Not that it matters at this point but I should have written more accurately that the Dems want to vote on two more bills in addition (instead of “besides”) to the “no fly, no buy” bill. One other bill is on background checks and another involves funding for the CDC. This demonstration was never a terrible hill to die on.
PatrickG
@Amaranthine RBG:
I haven’t gotten through the thread, but this comment makes me call for a ban for sheer boringness.
If you’re gonna troll, you better troll, like, good and shit.
Also, may I add to the “fuck you” brigade. Amaranthine RBG, you’re an enormous asshole with very little to offer to any community. I recommend hermitage, because other people find you repellent.
PatrickG
@Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant):
Seconded. Mnemosyne, you’re awesome.
trnc
@Amaranthine RBG: Then the solution would be to urge congress to fix the way that list is created and maintained, not to use it as an excuse to do nothing on background checks.
Applejinx
@Miss Bianca: I’m disappointed, but I don’t think any Senators actually are staying for the duration. Warren came by twice, brought donuts. I think to stay there and refuse to leave is for the House, not so much for Senators, but I could be mistaken or not entirely up to speed on things.
Sondra
I am very proud of the 3 Florida Reps. who are sitting-in on my behalf.
I wrote them all to tell them how proud of them I am. I know them all very well and will tell them in person the next time we meet at one of our Democratic Executive Committee functions.
This is why I’m a registered Democrat and why I am active in my party. Because it’s not enough to just vote if you want your Representatives to actually represent you. Join the party, find a Democratic club in your area, go meet the members of your party and take the time to go meet your Representatives and let them know what you want them to do. They do listen and they do remember who you are.
Tara
@Omnes Omnibus: #holdthefloor – that is awesome. Your guy is an awesome guy. :D