Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

I am pretty sure these ‘journalists’ were not always such a bootlicking sycophants.

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

They don’t have outfits that big. nor codpieces that small.

I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

I like political parties that aren’t owned by foreign adversaries.

This is dead girl, live boy, a goat, two wetsuits and a dildo territory.  oh, and pink furry handcuffs.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Radicalized white males who support Trump are pitching a tent in the abyss.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

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As was widely reported a couple of weeks ago, Trump once told a TV producer, “People will watch if you have a funny fat guy around.” Per the Washington Post, it would seem Lord Short Thumbs is using the same criteria for his vice-presidential pick as he did for his TV show:

… Given Trump’s unpredictability, campaign associates caution that the presumptive Republican nominee could still shake up his shortlist. But with little more than two weeks before the start of the Republican National Convention, Gingrich and Christie have been asked to submit documents and are being cast as favorites for the post inside the campaign. Gingrich in particular is the beneficiary of a drumbeat of support from Trump confidants such as Ben Carson.

A number of senators — including Jeff Sessions (Ala.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.) — are also being reviewed as viable picks, although the extent to which they are being vetted is unclear. A longer shot on Trump’s radar is Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, a heavyweight on the right who could bolster Trump’s tepid support among some conservative activists…

If the late great Doghouse Riley hadn’t already gone to his reward, bringing up Mike Pence would definitely kill him.

…The contenders under the most serious consideration, such as Gingrich and Christie, have been asked by attorney Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. to answer more than 100 questions and to provide reams of personal and professional files that include tax records and any articles or books they have published.

Culvahouse, a former White House counsel who is managing the vetting for Trump, was the lawyer who vetted then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for the GOP vice-presidential nomination during the 2008 campaign…

My emphasis. Let that sink in, for a minute.

Speaking of pudgy bullies with an entirely undue sense of entitlement, guess who is over 35 and born in America?…

But (heh, heh) seriously, folks…

… The timing of Trump’s announcement was for months expected to happen close to the convention. But campaign aides are now discussing moving it up, perhaps to later next week so the ticket can generate headlines and coverage — and win over party leaders — ahead of the party gathering in Cleveland…

Gingrich would bring with him a history of battling with presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, going back to their public fights over health care and Bill Clinton’s agenda and ultimate impeachment in the 1990s during her husband’s presidency…

newt gingrich crybaby
(via NYDN)

… Trump’s inclination toward naming a seasoned player has been encouraged by Manafort, the longtime GOP insider who has taken full control of the process following Trump’s firing of Corey Lewandowski, who had been campaign manager.

Yet even as Manafort steers the selection and as members of Trump’s orbit — especially his children and son-in-law Jared Kushner — informally weigh in, there is a collective understanding within the campaign that Trump’s voice is the only voice that matters. One person involved in the process suggested the ultimate decision will come down to a committee of one: Trump. “This is in his head,” the person said. “It’s up to him.”…

Much more at the link, including a sercon (serious, constructive) interactive graphic where you can inspect a roster of the lucky 35 mooted to have the best chances.

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  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    I’m given to understand that Ivanka Trump will turn 35 before January 2017, and hence would be eligible. Trump/Trump ’16!

  3. 3.

    gbear

    I wonder how the VP choice is going to feel when Donald makes him sign a fealty agreement and a non-disclosure contract?

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    Kathleen Clyde@KathleenClyde

    850,000 eligible voters in Ohio have been removed from the voter rolls. #StopThePurge
    ===
    Kat 4 Obama ‏@Kat4Obama 21m21 minutes ago

    People in Dem-leaning neighborhoods struck from rolls at about 2x the rate of people in GOP-leaning neighborhoods.

  7. 7.

    dmsilev

    I am disappointed that Trump didn’t try to stage Celebrity Apprentice: Veepstakes.

  11. 11.

    JGabriel

    Robert Costa on Twitter :

    NEWT GINGRICH and CHRIS CHRISTIE are being formally vetted for VP, per multiple sources.

    I’m sure they’ll be vetted with the same thoroughness with which Trump’s email list was vetted to ensure his campaign isn’t illegally soliciting donations from the representatives of foreign governments.

    Seriously, though, what the hell does it even mean for a campaign as inept and feckless as Trump’s to vet someone?

    Also, wasn’t Christie supposed to be the one in charge of the VP vetting? I guess he’s pulling a Cheney.

  12. 12.

    Vor

    @dmsilev: Ah, but the VP and President must be residents of different states. I assume Ivanka is a New York resident but is The Donald officially a Florida resident?

  13. 13.

    Anne Laurie

    @dmsilev:

    I am disappointed that Trump didn’t try to stage Celebrity Apprentice: Veepstakes.

    Give him time — he may be saving it for a capper at the convention!

  16. 16.

    Amir Khalid

    @redshirt:
    if anything, Chris Christie is a mean fat guy. That’s not to say you’re wrong; it depends on what Trump has for a sense of humour.

  17. 17.

    nutella

    …The contenders … have been asked … to answer more than 100 questions and to provide reams of personal and professional files that include tax records and any articles or books they have published.

    Tax records. Heh.

    ETA: And the person doing the ‘vetting’ is the same guy who vetted Palin. I can see why they wanted him to repeat such an excellent performance.

  18. 18.

    chopper

    wouldn’t it be hilarious if trump picked gingrich to get at adelson’s money and then shelly croaks like the day after?

  19. 19.

    jl

    If Christie, will we have WH press corps covering regular veep burger runs for president Trump?

    In fairness to Culvahouse, Palin was a standard movement conservative who, as AK gov, did some successful masquerading as a moderate conservative with a few progressive moments. The wonder that is the Sarah Palin we know today was hatched with her veep nomination. Probably would have come out sooner or later anyway, but was probably very accelerated by the sudden national spotlight. Both Christie and Lil’ Newtie might present more sleepless nights for Culvahouse now, than Palin did back in the day.

  20. 20.

    chopper

    @Vor:

    Ah, but the VP and President must be residents of different states.

    not really. long as trump is willing to lose NY which he’s gonna lose anyways he could pick a new yorker.

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    AP PoliticsVerified account
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    Janelle Monae, Kendrick Lamar to be final celebrity performers at Obama’s final Fourth of July celebration

  22. 22.

    lihtox

    So ignoring the election for a moment, do Christie and/or Gingrich make Trump impeachment-proof? (i.e. would congressional Republicans rather have Trump be President than either of them?)

  24. 24.

    Culture of Truth

    I’ve been predicting Sessions, but if he’s smart, he’ll pick Christie. Media loves his centrist charisma, and his incompetent careerist assholeness pairs well with Trump. Like a fine whine.

  28. 28.

    Anya

    Gingrich is in it for the grift. If Trump ends up picking Gingrich, this is going to be an even stranger presidential race. Gingrich and his wife will use the campaign as a tool to sell books.

  29. 29.

    Anne Laurie

    @jl:

    In fairness to Culvahouse, Palin was a standard movement conservative who, as AK gov, did some successful masquerading as a moderate conservative with a few progressive moments. The wonder that is the Sarah Palin we know today was hatched with her veep nomination.

    Yeah, as one of President Obama’s former campaign managers was saying about another flamed-out pol recently, There’s plenty of AAA baseball stars who just can’t cut it in the big leagues. Palin could’ve gone a lot longer as Queen Conservative in her isolated Alaskan fiefdom, but she wasn’t ready for a national spotlight. Even if the sudden access to money & attention hadn’t gone to her head, all those petty little statehouse feuds and family fvckups just couldn’t be ignored once there was an incentive for ‘outsiders’ to investigate.

    Christie’s case is not too dissimilar. “Jersey pol uses his power to punish his enemies” just doesn’t have the oomph of “Potential president’s closest circle notorious for petty theft and abuse of office”. He probably could’ve left office at the end of his term as governor, gone into ‘lobbying’ for his wife’s financial firm, and slid through the Bridgegate stuff with a wrist-slap fine and a very stern note on his permanent record. For a (slim) chance at the brass ring, he’s reduced his own stature to the point where he’s a national punchline… and if the feds are in a nasty enough mood, his legal problems could at the very least bankrupt him.

  31. 31.

    JGabriel

    Anya:

    If Trump ends up picking Gingrich, this is going to be an even stranger presidential race. Gingrich and his wife will use the campaign as a tool to sell books.

    As opposed to Trump using it to sell time-shares at his golf resorts?

  32. 32.

    Anya

    @JGabriel: I guess this case is why Trump stopped criticizing Bill Clinton’s behavior towards women. He knows if he says anything the media will ask about this case.

  33. 33.

    karen marie

    @JGabriel: No, Ben Carson is chair of the VP committee, Christie is head of the transition committee, from what I’ve read.

  35. 35.

    nutella

    @jl:

    In fairness to Culvahouse, Palin was a standard movement conservative who, as AK gov,

    True, her glorious personality had not burst onto the scene yet but surely he should have noticed that she had yet to complete even a single term in even a very tiny state so her ability to finish a job and get re-elected was completely unknown.

    Also the story of her using her office to attempt to fire a state cop because he dumped her sister was very well known in Alaska at the time, but I believe it’s been noted before that nobody could be bothered to go to Alaska and talk to anyone for something so unimportant as the vice-presidency.

  37. 37.

    Peter

    @rikyrah:

    I really wish this case had been filed earlier; as-is, there’ll be no way to gauge its validity beyond speculation until well after the election is over.

    I’ll say this, though: very few things would surprise me less than to learn that Trump has spent weekends on Child-Fucker Island.

  38. 38.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @Doug R: Problem is, even if this vile accusation is true, it won’t make an iota of difference to people who were already planning to vote for Trump. Yeah, how fucked up is that?

  39. 39.

    Culture of Truth

    @redshirt: I think yes, though he is old. Also, so would Warren, with a Republican governor to name her replacement.

  40. 40.

    hovercraft

    @Vor:
    She could move across the river, I’m sure she owns property here as it’s where most of her husbands family lives.
    But I think Boris would be the best choice, he would bring such gravitas to the ticket. The rubes would just eat up that Eton/ Oxbridge accent.

  43. 43.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @hovercraft:

    But I think Boris would be the best choice, he would bring such gravitas to the ticket.

    I’m thinking “weird blond hair on tubby middle-aged men” and I’m picturing Chris Matthews doing a joint interview with Donald and Boris.

  44. 44.

    catclub

    i asked in the other thread. Can Trump decide that his fundraising is so bad that he decides to claim the federal matching instead?

    Anybody know how much or what deadlines?

  45. 45.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Anya: Isn’t there actually some association between Bill Clinton and the exact same guy? This came up here a few weeks ago.

  46. 46.

    catclub

    @Culture of Truth: It would be neat if Warren runs for VP, helps the ticket, and then decides not to resign as Senator but instead resign as VP. Bust all the norms.

  48. 48.

    Prescott Cactus

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m thinking “weird blond hair on tubby middle-aged men” and I’m picturing Chris Matthews doing a joint interview with Donald and Boris.

    In a hot tub ?

  50. 50.

    daves09

    @redshirt: People forget the losing VP candidate the day after the election and smart ones don’t remind anyone. Think Paul Ryan. Of course after mittens saw the reaction to him, Ryan became the stealth candidate.

  51. 51.

    Kay

    For Fourth of July gift-giving:

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    From the hallowed grounds of Washington’s Mt. Vernon estate, the former Speaker of the House and his wife narrate the story about the man who is often an enigma to most Americans.
    Bottom line: If you are looking to be informed and entertained, there is no need to mortgage the house for those “Hamilton” tickets. “The First American,” priced at $14.99, provides the ultimate portrait of the man who was first in war, first in peace, first in the hearts of his countrymen.

  52. 52.

    daves09

    @LanceThruster: What, because she isn’t as opposed to fracking as Josh Fox? I mean, who is? And since the alternative is going back to coal for an unknown number of years-I’ll take limited, controlled fracking.

  56. 56.

    Tee

    @JGabriel: connections that make me go heh:
    Manafort=Putin lobbyist
    Trump=Putin admiration
    State department reports=^FSB harassment
    Trump Scotland trip=Russian pressure on NATO
    Trump fundraising emails to European an other legislature=Russian hackers “supposedly” to release Clinton emails
    Publicity ‘re inept Trump emails=more interest to see if “I got email too”
    Open email that may have gone to spam bin=Russian hackers phishing scam
    Multiple governments servers email comprised=Russian ^belligerence
    Surprise Russian replacement to Turkey=European agitation at Turkey ‘re:refugees

  57. 57.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    Yeah, Boris was born in the US and is over 35, but does he meet all the requirements:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    From my quick skim of his Wikipedia page, I don’t think he’s lived in the US for 14 years. (The VP has to meet the same requirements as the P.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who still thinks that Trump wants to pick a retired general or someone from business (ideally a woman) – and not a politician (especially not a failure like Gingrich or Christie).)

  58. 58.

    hovercraft

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Tweety could tell the dumpster to his face that he really is tapping into something real out there in the country, and if he just stays away fro the ‘ethnic stuff’ he really has a chance to win. People just don’t trust Hillary on things like trade and the TPP, so he should just talk about his objections to it and his history of building things and creating jobs. You know because he’s been so consistent and honest about trade. He could ask Boris how he was the only one to see the true mood of the people in the UK and tap into it and ask if he can do the same thing here. It would be a real lovefest.
    Oh and Tweety said tonight that Palin is still an asset ti Drump who can help him win.

  60. 60.

    LanceThruster

    @redshirt:

    Bernie. Things are so fucked up, merely being “not Trump” is not enough. Hillary might as well be a Koch brother at this point.

    Fuck all the Dims that voted for her and fuck all those who helped rig the vote. The list is pretty damn long too.

  62. 62.

    redshirt

    @LanceThruster:

    Bernie. Things are so fucked up, merely being “not Trump” is not enough. Hillary might as well be a Koch brother at this point.

    Fuck all the Dims that voted for her and fuck all those who helped rig the vote. The list is pretty damn long too.

    So you are voting for Trump? You weren’t clear in that diatribe.

  65. 65.

    hovercraft

    @Villago Delenda Est: @efgoldman:
    I just want someone on his show to turn to him when he starts going on about Hillary’s ‘trustability’ (sic K. McCarthy) to ask how Drump is any more ‘trustable’ than her, the man changes his stances on everything every two minutes. He truly seems to dislike her, and is very impressed by Drumps success.
    As for competing in blue states, apart from PA unless there actually is an actual live girl / dead boy situation, never gonna happen.

  67. 67.

    danielx

    Christie and Gingrich as Veep choices. Seriously?

    I’d like to understand the logic behind this, but words fail. What sort of loyalty oath will Combover Caligula extract from the final contestant, do you suppose?

  68. 68.

    hovercraft

    @LanceThruster:
    Ohio is purging voter, states are throwing up every barrier they can think of to keep people from voting and you have the audacity to cry rigged elections. Your candidate was so enamored with his big rally’s that he neglected much of the necessary GOTV efforts and legwork. Obama ran against the Clinton machine and knew that they would have to out hustle her to win, they studied the rules and came up with a two pronged strategy, run up the score in the caucus states and register a shitload of new voters. And even with that he barely won. Your guy also focused on the caucuses, but ignored the south even though it had a ton of delegates. The core constituents of the democrats are women, black people, latinos and the young. The only one of those groups that Bernie won over were the young, you cannot win with only one leg of that stool. Bernie lost the nomination way back on March 15th but just like now he refused to accept it. You cannot force a party that does not want you to vote for you. Losing sucks, but coming here to bitch about it does not change it, you’re a sore loser now move on. We voted for Hillary because she is our stongest candidate. Many flirted with Bernie, but he did not wear well.

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Same guy used to loan his private jet to Bill when he wasn’t using it. When the guy was prosecuted, that was the only connection they could find.

    Trump, on the other hand, said in sworn testimony that he attended parties on the island where there were underage girls. That’s why he STFU about the whole thing.

  71. 71.

    Mnemosyne

    @rikyrah:

    This is the only way the Republicans have a chance in hell of winning in November, and they know it.

    Meanwhile, we have a Berniebro above who’s ignoring a documented case of actual voter suppression so he can meep about his imagined conspiracy theory against Hillary. Sad!

  73. 73.

    dogwood

    @hovercraft:
    Lance doesn’t give a shit about the millions of voters, mostly people of color, who are arbitrarily taken off the voting lists every two years. I lost patience with people telling me we have to do the bidding of white working class voters in the upper Midwest when it comes to trade. These are the same voters who support voter suppression laws and elect rebublican state legislatures who won’t expand Medicaid. If Hillary gets elected and democrats scrap TPP, it won’t be because she won over white Union guys, it will be because women and POC pulled her across the finish line. And the thanks we’ll get in places like Ohio? More race-based voting suppression, more police brutality, more limits on abortion, and lots more guns.

  76. 76.

    Gemina13

    As was widely reported a couple of weeks ago, Trump once told a TV producer, “People will watch if you have a funny fat guy around.”

    I can’t wait. To us, yes, these guys are laughable. To the Republicans, they’ll be as funny as a can of beef dated from the Battle of the Somme.

  79. 79.

    Ruckus

    I still don’t understand why everyone seems to like to fuck with the bernie bot. Lance seems to be so far out there that there is no chance of salvation. Which means that he’s either a moron or a drumpf ball sucker. Either way no one is going to talk him down off the ledge, which he must like the view from or he’d have seen reality at some point.
    Or is it just the fun of poking him with a stick?

  80. 80.

    Elizabelle

    That is the only attractive picture I have ever seen of Sheldon Adelson. Man is odious.

  81. 81.

    J R in WV

    Well, if there is even a shade of truth to the multiple rapes, this guy is worse than the despicable racist on man thief we thought he was. I suspected he had serious sexual relationship problems when he blew off on the Faux News woman, “bleeding from her you know.” Or was that Hillary and her bathroom break?

    No one swears out an affidavit like that out of nowhere. And filing a suit without a lawyer, writing and filling the detailed descriptions of violent brutal rape with court officers, no – no one makes something like that up. And where is the younger girl?

    We are so screwed when the MSM will continue to play games drumming up phoney stories with the Clintons while passing on a brutal story like this. It makes them directly complicit in Trump’s crimes in my book, and shows the kind of evil power seekers that thrive in the shadows of DC.

  82. 82.

    hueyplong

    It’s tempting to draw three conclusions from reading this:

    1. Trump will pick whichever guy is willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement. That’s your VP candidate. For that reason. And no other.

    2. There will be hundreds of individual judgment calls to make on matters big and small between now and November. And Trump will make them all, himself, for reasons driven purely by narcissism and/or pique, with none based upon anything approaching what we’d call rational reflection. I just can’t see our republic collapsing because he successfully threaded that needle. So let him be Sweet Pea on the girders from now until he officially accepts the no-take-backsies nomination, and then let nature take its course.

    3. There should be an ongoing contest around here as to both what and when will be his Candidate Stillson moment, the point at which it is agreed by all that it’s over. Something like a Dead Zone Pool.

  83. 83.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @hueyplong: Probably something will happen during the first debate. Hilz will get under his skin and he’ll detonate. Even the “both sides do it” lackeys of the Village won’t be able to maintain the illusion of “balance”. There will be no doubt.

  86. 86.

    Applejinx

    @J R in WV: They’re all evil power seekers but man, is there ever a difference.

    This Trump pedophile business blows my mind: it’s like the upper class British pedophile rings. It’s like gaining boundless unaccountable power automatically makes people monsters. The story sounds very much like Trump, and is horrible.

    At least Bill Clinton likes grown-ups. At least Hillary Clinton has some principles and wants some decent things. Holy crap, we’re closer to the UK than I had ever imagined.

    How many of the Republicans… or indeed Democrats… are a little like Denny Hastert? It strikes me that Bill not being immune from the web of silence, implies he’s not part of it. Maybe it’s a good thing that it ‘wasn’t his place, and he trashed the place’. Maybe there are things that ought to be trashed.

    I don’t remember Bernie ever ranting that the billionaire class was pedophile rapists, but if this is a usual thing then the billionaire class looks even worse…

  87. 87.

    Ian

    @Vor:
    Here is the relevant line from the constitution

    The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves

    This part has never faced an actual test. No one knows how scotus might rule, birthplace, residency, percentage of adulthood living in state? No one knows, too ambigous.

  88. 88.

    Zinsky

    What is astonishing to me is that anyone thinks Newton Leroy Gingrich, one of the most hated American politicians of all time, is now suddenly an appealing candidate. What fucking rock are these people living under?

  89. 89.

    Anya

    @Mnemosyne: I once saw on CNN the crazy Trump supporter, Ashleigh McEnany accuse BC of association with the millionaire child rapist. I seem to recall a Dem strategist reminding her that what she’s saying is libelous. But the crazy Trump stan kept at it until someone said: we’ll leave it there. Someone needs to bring this up and force CNN to discuss it.

  91. 91.

    PST

    Jeff Epstein, the other defendant in the rape lawsuit discussed above, got a lot of publicity back in 2002 when he provided an airplane to take Bill Cinton and others around Africa on an AIDS-related mission. There is a profile in New York Magazine from that year that shows what an obsessed collector of celebrities this guy was. (http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/) That was long before the sex scandals and Epstein’s conviction. There is only one paragraph touching on the subject of women, but guess who’s talking:

    Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

  93. 93.

    Doug R

    @daves09: I don’t like fracking either, but I like Gov Jerry Brown’s response. As long as we have to import oil from somewhere else with a huge carbon cost, we should bear some of the environmental cost with fracking. I believe they only allow oil fracking in California, which may be marginally less destructive.

  94. 94.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    My bet is Newt; Newt brings Anderson’s money and balances the ticket. Plus it let’s Trump preen about how he’s the boss of the professor of the Conservative moment.

  96. 96.

    PST

    Newt to appeal to Trump voters’ love of career professional Washington politicians and Sheldon to appeal to their love of those who earn their billions from China and put America First.

  97. 97.

    Miss Bianca

    @daves09: As someone who actually lives in a fairly high-fracking state, all I can say, “fuck Josh Fox”. Yeah, it’s not great, and I don’t agree with our Governor’s stance on not allowing communities to impose their own bans on it, but I also am aware that a), the extractive industries are some of the only ones left with decent-paying jobs for working-class folks; and b), the other energy alternatives are even worse for the planet.

    Nuance in a political stance…how do it work again?

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