Trump campaign is the most disgusting I have seen in my lifetime. Admittedly I wasn't alive for Wallace '68. https://t.co/4Af0TUB6tz
— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) July 2, 2016
@MaxBoot @RadioFreeTom Worse than Wallace. He ran as an indie because Dems never would've nominated him. Unlike the GOP.
— Ariel Gonzalez (@ArielGonzalez_1) July 2, 2016
i researched 1968 and concluded "compared to Trump, George Wallace was politically correct." https://t.co/RsL9F41Aei https://t.co/dMqIzLp5bb
— Walter Shapiro (@MrWalterShapiro) July 3, 2016
Speaking of ol’ George ‘never let myself be out-n*****ed again’ Wallace…
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LBJ signed Civil Rights Act at White House, today 1964: pic.twitter.com/zTheFzWRVJ
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) July 2, 2016
LBJ famously said that signing the Civil Rights Act would endanger Democratic politicians ‘for the next fifty years.’ But in the long run, the GOP’s ‘Southern Strategy’ turns out to be even more dangerous. Not just to the country (Repubs wouldn’t care about that) but to a GOP that finds itself outnumbered as well as outgrown.
TRL
Wish LBJ could be alive to see the current USA.
Timurid
But check out the headline about Hillary on CNN.com…
Those pearls won’t clutch themselves!
The Czar of All the Stupids
Yeah, but they have so many gunz ‘n sh*t…
As someone else put so much better than me…
NotMax
This prefix post- that you use…
/Princess Bride
Mike J
@Timurid: qu’est ce que c’est?
redshirt
I like to think of the ultimate idea of America being the entire world.
Under an American Empire, of course.
amk
Unfortunately, they have the majority in every branch of government.
redshirt
@amk: Except the Executive thank FSM!
Luthe
@TRL: I wish LBJ were alive to be the current VP. Not that I don’t love Handsome Joe, but imagine what Obama could do with a real nut-squeezer as his veep.
Wag
@amk: @redshirt:
And the Supremes are at least evenly divided, if not drifting left.
amk
@Wag: Thank fsm, scalia is still dead.
rikyrah
This is who Trump is. And those who support him are OK with it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Didn’t Andy Richter have a part on Arrested Development? How did he not go with Afternoon Delight?
ETA: unless this is part of that Trump/Sinatra thing that was going around yesterday that I didn’t get
rikyrah
BTW, the tweet is the closest thing that Trump has done to a dogwhistle.
Which proved my belief that dogwhistles are just cover for those that want to hide behind the racism.
redshirt
@Wag: It’s more like we are on the verge of a liberal Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years. Hillary might get 2-3 appointments and we might go up 7-2. That is if Republicans let Dems ever appoint Judges again.
geg6
Haven’t seen or heard much from Reince Priebus lately. Has anyone performed a welfare check on him recently?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Luthe: he was a nut squeezer, but it’s also big misreading of why he succeed during his first two years.
he succeed because:
a) the country was in horrible grief and shock after Kennedy’s murder and rallied around the new president. it’s a critical mass that only occurs on rare dark occasions: great depression; Pearl Harbor; assassination.
b) gop wanted to cut deals. they were wanted pork for their districts and appointments for their benefactors. in the pre-earmark era they needed to play along to go along.
c) an amalgam of minor to medium factors: people had faith in government; the pre-disindustrialized economy was roaring; the business community was disorganized pre-powell memo era (link); the filibuster, by custom, was rarely used (graph); pre-southern strategy alignments; pre-computer database gerrymandering; pre-emergence of hate radio/tv.
Politics is much like baseball. The framework remains the same, but new strategies and shifts in the economics have changed the game (Bill James advance metrics; introduction of DH, lowering the mound, split finger pitch, the closer; defensive field shift; free agency; revenue sharing; cable television money; the draft).
Culture of Truth
It’s easy to be remembered as legendarily persuasive when you’ve got the numbers LBJ had.
Unlike Max Boot I’ve been a liberal for a long time but I too can’t remember anyone as awful as Trump, though he is their logical conclusion.
rikyrah
@geg6:
He is on the Orange Julius diet: on his second bottle of Jack Daniels by 11:00 am
Culture of Truth
@efgoldman: President Obama actually met a guy who is 108 recently. Incredibly spry.
rikyrah
I would never normally watch the GOP Convention. But, I have to admit that I am going to totally follow it on Twitter, if not actually watch some of it.
Anoniminous
PPP has Clinton winning women by 15 points, 51 to 36 percent.
Holy snockerballs, Batman.
Rest of it: Clinton is 82/13 with Hispanics, 91/5 with African Americans, 57/28 with young voters, 39/35 advantage with independents. Trump leads 48/37 with men, 51/32 with whites, and 51/36 with seniors.
Poll accuracy at the first week in July sucks, in 2012 polls had Obama at 46.2 to the RomBot’s 44.9%, so don’t take the numbers too seriously. What this does tells us is the election is shaping to be a repeat of 2012 with Clinton improving over Obama’s ‘take’ of the woman vote. Women were 53% of the electorate in ’12 and I’ll bet that will go up as will the total number of women voting.
With these kinds of numbers Dems have a solid shot at the Senate.
RaflW
@redshirt: And they don’t really have the majority on the SCOTUS any more.
redshirt
@RaflW: I’d bet small money this Senate does not move on Obama’s pick before 11/4/16 and only then because they they think Garland’s more conservative than the 1st pick Hillary will bring after the Senate has shifted sides.
daves09
@Luthe: For all his legislative virtues LBJ was the most personally corrupt president in US history. If not for the assassination he would have gone down with Bobby Baker. He accomplished his amazing agenda in just two years before repub. victories in ’66 and Vietnam pretty much ties his hands.
Despite the above tweets, George Wallace was a vile, vicious racist, far beyond Trump. And perhaps the most dangerous demagogue of the 20th century. If not for the assassination attempt he would have carried the entire south and probably a few northern states in ’68, going to the convention with the most delegates. The Democratic Party had a very close call there.
RaflW
@redshirt: I think it is somewhat possible that the Senate would approve Garland after Clinton wipes the floor with some GOP rag or another.
If I was Obama, I’d toy with asking Garland to withdraw his nom at about 8:01pm on election night, though, since I’m more petty and vindictive than our amazing POTUS is. I would love to see Yurtle’s wattle quiver when he’d realize he couldn’t even get a moderate liberal on the court anymore, after so badly misplaying his hand.
daves09
@efgoldman: It took all the arm twisting LBJ and Ev. Dirksen could do to stop the civil rights filibuster-by southern democrats. Obstruction has always been part of the legislative process.
Mary G
Updated poll numbers for CA49:
Darrell Issa(Satan): 43%
Doug Applegate(D): 43%
Undecided: 14%
TIED!!!!!
(OK, it is a DCCC poll,but still)
Issa has more in his campaign chest by about $6 million
Origuy
@daves09:
The attempt to assassinate Wallace had nothing to do with 1968, since it happened in 1972.
Bill_D
@daves09: Wallace was shot in 1972. In 1968 he had free reign, won 13.5% of the vole and five southern states. His 1972 campaign was cut short by the assassination attempt.
Bill_D
@Origuy: Beat me by seconds!
Patricia Kayden
@Anoniminous: With all the sexism he has displayed, I’m disappointed that the percentage isn’t higher for Secretary Clintob. Oh well. Trump can always fix that.
Patricia Kayden
@Mary G: Beating car their Issa would be priceless!
Villago Delenda Est
@daves09: Assassination attempt was in ’72, not ’68. Wallace carried five “solid South” states in ’68, but it wasn’t enough to prevent Nixon from a majority in the Electoral College.
Oh, others have posted before me. Great minds, etc.
Mike J
@Mary G:
And if he needs more he can always rip off a car stereo or two.
Villago Delenda Est
@srv: What a worthless waste of skin Rinse is.
redshirt
I can’t recall more out right war on the government then this current Republican Party since the Civil War, where the roles were very much reversed.
Bill_D
@Villago Delenda Est: More like old minds, who remember long ago…
Villago Delenda Est
@Bill_D: I was 11 at the time. :)
Bill_D
@Villago Delenda Est: I wasn’t much older in 72. Still old today compared to all these young’uns running around today being all millenially and stuff.
Anne Laurie
@daves09:
Not even in my lifetime — you ever hear of this ‘Richard Nixon’ guy? George H.W. Bush, who barely escaped indictment by pardoning all his co-conspirators? Warren G. ‘Teapot Dome’ Harding? William McKinley, prototype model for Dubya Bush?…
How far back you wanna go? With the exception of Teddy Roosevelt, there hasn’t been a Republican president who wasn’t either a thief, an incompetent, or both since Abraham Lincoln. And Teddy was an accident — he was only given the VP slot because his more ‘savvy’ Republican superiors thought it a good way to shunt him away from his trust-busting investigations. That he wrestled the Oval Office keys away from McKinley’s corkscrew-crooked advisors after the assassination was such a surprise, they put his face up on Mt. Rushmore!
GregB
A sinking Trump swamps all boats. May Issa’s dingy go down the drain too.
sigaba
@daves09: @Luthe: “For all his legislative virtues LBJ was the most personally corrupt president in US history”
Harding? Grant? Chester A. Arthur? Nixon?
Geoduck
@Anne Laurie: Eisenhower certainly had his faults, but he wasn’t a thief or incompetent.
Brachiator
@Anoniminous:
There is no such thing as poll accuracy in July. It is also not meaningful to say that the election is shaping up to be a repeat of 2012. Gender will be more of an issue with respect to white men, and there is more chance of a cross over of GOP women in 2016 than in 2012.
There is no way that you can extrapolate from the presidential polling to speculation about whether the Democrats have a shot at the Senate.
The cheerleading is fun and all, and I certainly hope that Trump keeps sabotaging himself, but the rest of this stuff is just happy noise.
Geoduck
@efgoldman:
“With the exception of Teddy Roosevelt, there hasn’t been a Republican president who wasn’t either a thief, an incompetent, or both since Abraham Lincoln.”
Anne Laurie
@Geoduck: Yeah, I forgot Ike. On the other hand, he wasn’t really much of a Republican, either — didn’t he swear he’d never voted for President until people came looking to nominate him?
(To riff on my rant, Eisenhower was so unpopular with the ‘real’ Republicans, they spent years blocking a monument to him on the National Mall.)
Prescott Cactus
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Can you imagine what the world would be like if GWB had used 9/11 to unify the US rather than to start a war against a country his Pa had a grudge against?
Critical mass, wrong direction.
Villago Delenda Est
@Bill_D: Oh, I was 11 in ’68! 15 for the ’72 run. Old enough to vote for Jimmy Carter in ’76.
Brachiator
@efgoldman:
Democrats don’t do math, either. ;)
trollhattan
@efgoldman:
Rinse strikes me as a Jäger man. Probably keeps it in the freezer.
Brachiator
@Anne Laurie:
Nixon was neither a thief nor incompetent. The first Bush was neither a thief nor incompetent. Hell, Hoover was not entirely incompetent.
And yeah, Ike was unpopular with “real Republicans,” but moderate Republicans were desperate to draft him, and rejected the hard core GOP to get him. And Taft, who bitterly fought Ike for the nomination harder than Bernie fought Hillary, fell in line and loyally supported him.
In fact, it is useful to contrast past Republicans who supported a moderate with integrity like Ike, and the current generation of GOP imbeciles, who may embrace Trump to their doom.
Keith P.
And we’re not even at the conventions yet. Once all the really nasty oppo research starts coming out (particularly if Trump goes with Newt…hell, I’d wager money that Pence has major skeletons in his closet) the race is going to *really* go in the gutter. And if Trump runs out of money, too, it’s gonna get Crazy.
AnotherBruce
@Prescott Cactus: That’s a weird thought. Junior would have been a hero. But let’s face it, even if Junior would have been smart enough to do that, (he wasn’t). Cheney would have metaphorically shot him in the face.
karen marie
@redshirt: Reagan started the direct, open war on government. The firing of the air-traffic controllers was shocking.
Fair Economist
@efgoldman: California ballots show party affiliation for “partisan” races, which include Congress and the state legislature, but generally not municipal positions.
The jungle primary is a big win where I live. We have two Democrats for the Senate *and* two Democrats for the House (Loretta Sanchez’ seat). And this is Orange County! Take that, Republican slime!
Brachiator
@Keith P.:
I guess one question is whether the money guys will bankroll a Trump loser campaign or spend their money on Senate and House candidates.
karen marie
@trollhattan: He puts Bailey’s on his cereal.
Ian
@amk:
They have both chambers of congress, and a majority of states, but they don’t have Potus or Scotus. (Thank the FSM that Scalia has been reincarnated into his new life of a tree in a forest cleared for immediate clear-cutting)
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: Gingrich brings Adelson. Powerful incentive to make him the running mate.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: Nixon was, however, a crook. Despite his protestations to the contrary.
Ian
@daves09:
The first Johnson has more claim to it than the second. Also, Jackson, Tyler, Grant, Rutherford, McKinley, Wilson, Nixon, Reagan, and two Bushes called. They want their titles back.
Ruckus
@trollhattan:
Zima. Which is also outdated.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: wasn’t Nixon literally a thief?
trnc
Anyone else catch the precious deadbeat donald supporter who tried to snark “I guess sheriffs are anti-semite, too” and then posted a traditional 5 pointed sheriff star?
https://twitter.com/tuansteel25/status/749413890346389509
PIGL
@rikyrah: “Never mind what you normally would do…”
GregB
@Villago Delenda Est:
Plus his rakish good looks, winning personality and his twofer of intellectual dynamism that is Callista.
Eric U.
Nixon was surely the most corrupt president. Maybe not in terms of graft, but misuse of the office. The Watergate break-ins were just the tip of the iceberg, people forget all the other things they did.
I think GWBush administration was very corrupt too. They had a policy of not prosecuting their own people, which is where the purge of the U.S. attorneys came from.
Groucho48
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
A lot of truth there.
But, there is the rest of the story. The number of black folks willing to take a stand to get the right to vote and to be treated as full-fledged citizens was reaching critical mass. Very much due to their experiences in WW! and WW2. That, more than anything white folks did in general, and white folk politicians did in particular, is why black folks gained power. They fought for it. They won it. We white folks didn’t give it to them. We get an assist, but, they get the score.
Also, it should be mentioned that the GOP wasn’t as opposed to civil rights legislation as southern Dems were. In fact, more Reps voted for the Civil Rights Bill than Dems did. Republicans were still true to their nature in demonizing groups of people to gin up support for their policies, but, black folks weren’t one of the main groups they were ginning up fear and hated for…well, until Nixon came along. But, that’s a whole ‘nother story.
Baud
Nixon was not a crook, you guys.
Baud
@Groucho48:
I think that’s a myth.
Eric U.
I was only 10 in ’68, but the way I remember the Wallace campaign was that he was basically relying on his reputation as a racist. Of course, I could be totally off-base, because I really didn’t start paying much attention to politics until a couple of years later.
Baud
@Groucho48:
@Baud:
A higher proportion of Republicans voted for the bill. The number of Democratic votes was larger.
JosieJ (not Josie)
@trnc:
People who fail at basic math–and, apparently, kindergarten-level shapes–should never attempt to tweet.
wormtown
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Frank did a song with his daughter Nancy way back in the early 70’s. Here is link (if I can make it work):
wormtown
or this https://youtu.be/wqWZoL_luxo
oops…just realized this is nancy singing with her brother, not her dad; but you get the idea and if you google you can probably find one with daddy
catclub
Can Trump claim the public financing dollars, since his own fundraising is so bad?
Anybody know how much that would be. Last time it was claimed was before the 2008 election when Obama ( and then McCain) skipped it.
Joel
@Brachiator: Standard deviation of polling margin to results in July is roughly +/- 10 points. That puts Clinton (currently +6) on the upper side of confidence intervals but by no means assured of election. If you use state polling, her forecast is rosier, but there isn’t a lot of that yet.
Uncle Cosmo
@srv: Always keep in mind that the TL;DR disemvowelled spelling of Reince Priebus is RNC PR BS. And try not to laugh too loud.
Jeffro
@redshirt: I still think Obama should put the GOP senators on notice that his pick of Garland ends/ Will be withdrawn on election night.
Gvg
Bush Jr. Authorized torture. That’s pretty corrupt. In fact I can’t think of lower. Since Jim Crow was related to lynching and terror killing some prior President’s could be considered to have similar stains but I haven’t forgotten how bad Bush really is. Fat chance of getting it, but I still want trials.
What was LBJ’s corruption? Money to federal contractors or similar? Not the same. Not good or OK but just not the same.
GregB
@Baud:
It is Republican math. If the 136 Republicans is greater than 153 Denocrats in the House then yes, more Republicans voted for it in the House.
If you are going to use precentages, a larger percent of Democrats, who were much greater in numbers voted for the bill. That also means 100% of Southern Republicans in the Senate voted against the bill.
scav
@Gvg: I’d agree to it being up there on the personally damning, but might quibble slightly at corrupt as that usually implies he did it for direct personal gain, at least in the political arena (we’re all corruptible in church where I generally use the more broad definition od corruptible, adding in the rotting fringe of the definition as well). There may have been a hint of it (doing it explicitly as a vote-getting move, I doubt he was paid), but I think he did it more for personal pleasure and feeling himslf more of a real manly man because he did it, which is far more vile to my mind.
rikyrah
@Anoniminous:
If Trump is at 51 with Whites, then he is really losing. Never forget. . Willard got 60% of the White vote.
Matt McIrvin
@Eric U.:
In the Seventies and Eighties I remember so many people who insisted that Nixon wasn’t unusual; he just got caught doing the same things every President does. Liberals saying this. They’d become so cynical that it was lowering the bar to excuse massive criminal conspiracies in subversion of democracy.
Matt McIrvin
@rikyrah: 51/32 with whites means that, if you take out all of the undecided/other/not-sure people, Trump is winning 61% of the combined white Trump-plus-Clinton vote, which is probably a better measure of how he’d actually do with whites in an election held today. Maybe subtract a few points for third-party voters, but the Trump-plus-Clinton balance is more what matters for electoral advantage.
Kay
If voters in Ohio love Trump so much, you wouldn’t think he’d need ads shot in a graveyard:
“He sucks but you have to vote for him”, and this is the message to the base. It’s what you would do if you were hoping to gin up “hate turnout” in a losing campaign. A tad desperate for July, I think. Can’t they come up with a positive reason the fraud and his idiot sons should be running the country?
germy
what if the drumpf campaign is just an elaborate prank?
Matt McIrvin
@Kay:
I see the Bernie Sanders segment of the Democratic base trying to reconcile themselves to the same message about Clinton.
dogwood
Robert Caro’s Johnson trilogy is a fascinating and excellent source on everything Johnson. You can make a case that he was a great democratic president, but you’d have to tie yourself in knots to conclude that he wasn’t overall a miserable human being. His brief stint as an effective school teacher seems to be the only period of his life when he wasn’t scheming, conniving, and manipulating to achieve power. He enjoyed shitting on his loyal friends. See Sam Rayborn. Some corrupt politicians have some boundaries when it comes to their personal lives. They have friends and family who are separate from their public life. Not so for LBJ.
Kay
This is one of the main problems with voter ID laws:
I deal with name changes a lot in my work. This is actually really common with birth certificates. Not a clerical error but a name that differs from the name the person uses on later forms of ID. It can be a “Junior” or a “3rd” or a middle or additional name that drops off as the person gets older. It’s so common there’s an exception for it in a lot of state law: “common law use” – they’re supposed to take all the forms together and make a call. “Making a call” is subjective- it’s up to someone to 1. know there’s an exception and 2. apply it.
The idea that birth certificates, names, are definitive and exact, like a SS number, is not true.
Every time conservatives add one of these subjective elements to voting they are risking denying a RIGHT based on some clerk’s “definition” of these rules and relying upon a clerk to understand what is really a legal question “what is your name” or “where do you reside” RESIDENCY can also be complicated- in a lot of states it comes down to “intent to return”. It isn’t a hard and fast definition. It relies (partly) upon case law, “common law”, a judge’s interpretation of a set of factors. Clerks aren’t judges. They aren’t trained in any of this and they will get lots and lots of these “exceptions” to the rule.
My birth certificate was changed. My parents switched out middle and first names and then (later) I dropped the middle name. My “common law name” is different from the name on my birth certificate. My “major” ID has the shorter name and so most of the ID’s that followed have the shorter name. It’s not at all unusual.
Woodrowfan
Nixon was a crook personally. don’t forget the slush funds he denied having in his Checker’s Speech. Some of the others mentioned her were crooks and some were not. A quick rundown.
Grant: bad choice of friends but not personally corrupt. He got ripped off as well and ended up broke because he trusted someone his son recommended. That’s why he wrote his memoirs, so his wife would have an income when he died.
McKinley: eh, actually a pretty good President (the Filipinos might disagree). Honest as well, which at the time meant turning blind eye to his colleague’s corruption. More honest than Blaine ( a low hurdle) and probbaly fewer scandals than Garfield. Actually a good guy in person. Devoted husband and had an honorable service record as a Civil War vet. Even Democrats who knew him, liked him.
TR, Taft, Wilson: all pretty honest men.
Harding: Like Grant, lousy choice in friends, but also will to bend a few rules in his personal life. He wasn’t the type to take bribes (at least lots of large ones) or set up illegal slush funds, but breaking prohibition laws or breaking his marriage vows? no problemo! Come’er baby, have a shot of this whiskey and make yourself more comfortable.
Coolidge through Truman: honest presidencies. Truman’s “scandals” were small potatoes, such as an aide accepting small gifts (a fur coat and a fridge). It says something about politics then that a big scandal was an aide accepting a fur coat from a supporter (which is why Nixon said his wife had a “plain, Republican cloth coat” in his Checker’s Speech. It was a swipe at Truman.)
Ike: Honest man. It was Marshall that said he had never voted before, not Ike. NOT a liberal (he made pro-segregation comments to Earl Warren when the Court was considering Brown). But followed the law. If the Courts says “desegregate” then by God you will do what the Court says, regardless of your personal beliefs.)
JFK: to rich to be bribed. Knew where to cut the ethical corners, but never crossed the line into actual illegalities. Scandals more personal (sex with any female that moved) than political. Both Clinton’s remind me of JFK in that way.
LBJ: like JFK, and like JFK knew people who did cross the line, turned a blind eye but didn’t participate. Take Caro with a grain of salt. Biographies by authors who hate their subject are a bad as those by authors who love their subject. As ruthless as the Kennedys and as eager to cheat on his wife as JFK was on his.
Nixon: CROOK. Cheated on his taxes, lied even when he didn’t have too, tried to use the CIA, FBI, and IRS to “get” his political enemies. Made enemy lists based on religion and race (list all the Jews!) committed war crimes and ordered the military to hide the evidence, sabotaged a peace treaty to get elected, etc, etc. A man so twisted with resentment he should never have been trusted with power.
Ford: See LBJ. (minus the sex scandals)
Carter: Honest
Reagan: personally honest but quite willing to hang out and use those who were not. Had more aides and subordinates investigated and found guilty of misbehavior in office than anyone in US history.
Bush #1: LIAR. Not only screwed around on Barbara, even took his mistress on state trips. Lied about Iran-Contra.
Clinton: See JFK. will go up to the edge of breaking the law, but never cross it. Seriously, after all those investigation they impeached him for lying under oath during irrelevant testimony during a frivolous lawsuit.
Bush II: Daddy’s boy.
Baud
@Kay:
I have name issues too. Thankfully, I don’t live in a place that’s trying to suppress my vote.
Kay
It just makes me feel like crying because it’s different than denying a driver’s license – they’re denying a fundamental right based on a subjective call by a clerk. If they’re going to deny fundamental rights then there has to be an accessible, timely and FREE process to remedy the harm to the voter because time is important. He can’t go back and vote later, after the election.
Woodrowfan
1964 Civil Rights and 1965 Voting Rights Acts: a regional, not a party vote. A majority of both parties voted for them. Most southern reps voted against (including all the southern republicans, of which there were a few.) A majority of reps from the rest of the country voted in favor. Signed by a Democratic President. The 1964 republican nominee voted AGAINST the bills and campaigned in 1964 against the 1964 Act.
Baud
@Kay: Remember when the GOP cared about due process when it came to saying people on the no fly list couldn’t buy guns. Good times.
Amir Khalid
The CNN International site posted a quiz consisting of ten questions on American history from the official citizenship test list. The questions were surprisingly easy, and I scored 10 out of 10. So If I were in America and applying for citizenship, I guess that would be one thing not to worry about.
Kay
@Baud:
We have a “residency” case that arose in this county and went to the court of appeals. It’s not in the statute, but we all attach or cite the opinion and it’s “law” because no one has ever overturned it. It’s 20 pages long. The question was “where does he reside”? The ct of appeals reversed our common pleas judge. They’re turning these decisions on a fundamental right over to the clerk at the DMV?
rikyrah
Um Kay…had you heard about this case?
UAE tells citizens to avoid national dress while abroad after man held in U.S.
The United Arab Emirates has urged men to avoid wearing the white robes, headscarf and headband of the national dress when traveling abroad, after a businessman visiting the United States was wrestled to the ground and held as an Islamic State suspect.
UAE media reported that the Emirati man was detained in Avon, Ohio, last week after a female clerk at a local hotel called 911 to report what she had described as a man affiliated to Islamic State, according to the Arabic-language al-Bayan newspaper. It only identified him by his initials.
The English language The National said the receptionist at the Fairfield Inn hotel called the police after she heard the man talking on his phone in the hotel lobby.
Gulf News, another UAE newspaper, published photos of the Emirati man in white robes being wrestled to the ground and handcuffed before being led away by police.
Immanentize
@dogwood: Homer Thornberry was an exception. And a great and gentle soul.
dogwood
@Kay:
Read a Clinton endorsement from the old Republican governor of Minn., Arne Carlson, and it wasn’t a “lesser of two evils” statement. He’s too old to give a damn, so the indictment of the Republican Party was pretty brutal. Called voter id laws treasonous.
Immanentize
@Kay: same here re: names. I use my confirmation name as my middle name rather than my birth middle name.
No vote for me!
Bostonian
“…signing the Civil Rights Act would endanger Democratic politicians ‘for the next fifty years…”
Time’s up, motherfuckers.
rikyrah
Just dust in my eyes…
just dust.
Jordan
@CptReckless
My granddad has a hat for each university his grandchildren attended and today I got to give him mine #AAMU
Luthe
@Kay: I’m currently working at a job where I need to check that the names on housing applications and bank accounts match the names on birth certificates and Social Security cards. Hispanic names are a real mess, because the tradition of including the mother’s maiden name as part of the last name results in middle/last names that vary from document to document, and that’s before marriage gets thrown in the mess. I personally give the benefit of the doubt unless there is a really dramatic change (Martinez-Diaz on the birth certificate, Velazquez on the application). Even then I just get out the marital affidavit and attach it to the forms for the resident to fill out.
I’m not surprised (presumably white) clerks with no idea about Hispanic naming conventions just give up and disenfranchise people. Learning something new and figuring things out would be too much work.
Joel
@Matt McIrvin: The difference is that the busters are a smaller (and diminishing) portion of the Democratic base.
Luthe
@Immanentize:
@Baud: But hey, it makes it harder for people to steal our identities!
(both my sister and myself have “common name vs. official name” issues)
JanieM
@rikyrah:
Thanks, that picture was a great start to my day. :-)
Then I skipped backwards through the UAE story and the voting/name comments and got depressed all over again.
Kay
@Immanentize:
The whole country needs a course in “birth certificates”. Ever since “birtherism” I get this idiotic insistence that there is something magical about “the original” birth certificate. They are duplicate originals. They’re 15 dollars. It doesn’t matter when it was issued. The 2nd raised seal is the same as the first that was issued. I always want to ask them “really? Does that make any sense? If you lose that original paper, what, you no longer exist?”
Donald Trump and the morons in GOP and media turned an ordinary state record into a mystery that can’t be solved. They are now working hard to make voting moronic and impossible to figure out.
Kay
@Luthe:
Hispanic names can be complicated. Laotian names are even more complicated. We have a community here and they “adopt” American names and once it’s on one doc it then ends up on more. They have a given name and them a common law name. Often I find it starts in a public school. The kids rename themselves and then there’s a record with that name on it. The old name disappears.
There’s also the American penchant for making up names. We have a whole family that uses two letter first names- “TC” not an initial- that’s his name. They happen to be in court a lot and I;ve seen all kinds of variations, including Tee Cee.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Worth noting Trump is from the North East and has the same attitudes as my uncles and aunts’ in Western Pennsylvanian.
rikyrah
@Kay:
It’s angering to read all that you post about this issue Kay, because I live in a state that is going in the opposite direction. I know a lot about voting, and what’s needed. I even lost my DL recently, and I gathered all sorts of papers, believing that I would need to provide them, when I didn’t.
It’s nothing but a modern day Poll Tax.
rikyrah
so then, they have no excuse that it was ‘an accident’.
uh huh
uh huh
So, dogwhistles mean exactly what folks like me have been saying that they mean…….
Lips pursed.
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Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
Trump stole his Star of David graphic from a message board used by neo-Nazis
#.FJsctBOiR …
8:31 AM – 3 Jul 2016
bemused
@rikyrah:
The cynic in me doubts it would have made a difference to the clerk if he had dressed like a Texas rancher, boots, hat. Not if he was darker and speaking in a suspicious sounding language.
rikyrah
Kay,
Did you see this?
The Subtle Force of Tom Perez.
I am such a fan of the Secretary of Labor.
dogwood
@rikyrah:
Voting rights don’t seem to capture the imagination of white “progressives” or white working class voters. Whether you see Sanders or Warren as the progressive leaders of the left, neither one has much passion for the issue. They are economic populists who gear their messages toward white voters. If breaking up the banks, stopping TPP, banning fracking, and getting big money out of politics are your issues, I just don’t see how you can get an electoral majority without POC in the coalition. Seeing voter id laws that target minorities as secondary issues is a dangerous and ignorant pov. But voters elect the people who pass these laws, so we’re stuck with them.
BillCinSD
@Woodrowfan: So, there should have been a law limiting Ike’s ability in foreign affairs. Overthrowing governments in Iran and Guatemala, leaving the Hungarian revolt out to dry.
McKinley, well, he appointed incompetents to State and War, didn’t do much about racial violence in the South, not even condemning it and wearing a badge of gray in sympathy with the CSA to the Georgia legislature and visited Confederate memorials. He was big on reducing sectionalism and kind of left the African Americans hanging. He also started the American Empire (outside the Continental US), tried to run the Spanish-American War from the White House and pushed hard to reaffirm the Gold Standard.
joel hanes
@Gvg:
Bush Jr. Authorized torture. That’s pretty corrupt. In fact I can’t think of lower.
Reagan made a strong showing by covertly and illegally selling arms to an enemy nation, using the proceeds to set up and fund an unconstitutional rump paramilitary (against the express wishes of a bill passed by Congress forbidding such), a paramilitary force that became famous for death squads and raping nuns — and Reagan’s CIA funded part of the operation by running cocaine in their fleet of airplanes. Also he so imprinted half the nation with a variety of self-serving specious lies (government is the enemy, bosses are the only creators of jobs and wealth, Americans should not feel guilt or remorse about our actions or history) that those lies rule the Republican primary electorate still today.
Kay
@dogwood:
It depends on which white progressive populist you consider a leader. Sherrod Brown focuses on voting rights every cycle. He held “field hearings” on voting rights in 2012, along with Durbin.
We had a lot of success getting a referendum on a restrictive voting law on the ballot when we passed petitions along with petitions for a referendum on an anti-labor law. I told the labor voters their referendum wasn’t going to pass if people couldn’t vote for it.
Kay
@rikyrah:
It’s so weird how “conservatives” don’t have any sense of history. State systems are a lot better than they used to be. They don’t think their immigrant grandparents had weird names? They think they all had a full set of papers that said “Robert Smith”?
WHITE people couldn’t have been elected back in the day with restrictive ID laws. All of those immigrant communities from Germany and Russia and Poland would have had all kinds of documentation problems and the “weird” names! Who can spell names with all those vowel combinations and variations over time! Half these idiots owe their jobs to formerly “weird immigrants” voting for other weird immigrants back in the day.