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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Donald Trump’s Bank Is Tottering

Donald Trump’s Bank Is Tottering

by Tom Levenson|  July 8, 20165:28 pm| 229 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Hail to the Hairpiece

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It seems like we might want something new to talk about, and I think I’ll follow John’s advice and focus on something other than the miseries of the day.

So how about this:

Donald Trump has a problem with bankers — or they with him:

Other Wall Street banks, after doing extensive business with Mr. Trump in the 1980s and 1990s, pulled back in part due to frustration with his business practices but also because he moved away from real-estate projects that required financing, according to bank officials. Citigroup Inc., J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley are among the banks that don’t currently work with him.

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At Goldman Sachs Group Inc., bankers “know better than to pitch” a Trump-related deal, said a former Goldman executive. Goldman officials say there is little overlap between its core investment-banking group and Mr. Trump’s businesses.

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That’s why, to a great extent, the Trump organization has come to rely on Deutsche Bank, the one global bank that will do significant business with him:

While many big banks have shunned him, Deutsche Bank AG has been a steadfast financial backer of the Republican presidential candidate’s business interests. Since 1998, the bank has led or participated in loans of at least $2.5 billion to companies affiliated with Mr. Trump, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of public records and people familiar with the matter.

All that’s in trouble now:

Deutsche Bank started the year by announcing a record-setting loss in 2015 of €6.8 billion.

….

In [recent] weeks, here’s what happened:

  • May 16, 2016: Berenberg Bank warns that DB’s woes may be “insurmountable”, noting that DB is more than 40x levered.
  • June 2, 2016: Two ex-DB employees are charged in ongoing U.S. Libor probe for rigging interest rates. Meanwhile, the UK’s Financial Conduct Authority says there are at least 29 DB employees involved in the scandal.
  • June 23, 2016: Brexit decision hits DB hard. The bank is the largest European bank in London and receives 19% of its revenues from the UK.
  • June 29, 2016: IMF issues statement that “DB appears to be the most important net contributor to systematic risks”.
  • June 30, 2016: Federal Reserve announces that DB fails Fed stress test in US, due to “poor risk management and financial planning”.

The DB share price has been cut almost in half since the start of the year, and is at 8% of its all time high.

Will the bank survive? Damned if I know.  This isn’t my field and I’ve just stumbled on the latest reports of its woes.  But one thing seem obvious.

Y’all may have noticed that Herr Drumpf is a candidate for an office that has a significant role in the regulation of credit markets. We’ve never had anyone this close to the presidency whose wealth was so personally at play in decisions that he and his administration would have to make, were that evil day ever to arrive.  As Russ Choma and David Corn note in Mother Jones,

…the presumptive GOP nominee also has a tremendous load of debt that includes five loans each over $50 million. (The disclosure form, which presidential candidates must submit, does not compel candidates to reveal the specific amount of any loans that exceed $50 million, and Trump has chosen not to provide details.) Two of those megaloans are held by Deutsche Bank, which is based in Germany but has US subsidiaries. And this prompts a question that no other major American presidential candidate has had to face: What are the implications of the chief executive of the US government being in hock for $100 million (or more) to a foreign entity that has tried to evade laws aimed at curtailing risky financial shenanigans, that was recently caught manipulating markets around the world, and that attempts to influence the US government?

There’s a little schadenfreude to be added to the terror that Herr Drumpf might actually reach the office in which that conflict of interest becomes real.  That, of course, comes in the thought that [I so devoutly hope] on November 8, the Donald will return to a business wholly dependent on other people’s money, to face a financial community in which there’s no one left willing to lend him a dime.

A boy can dream….

Image:  Marinus van Reymerswaele A Banker and His Wife, first half of the 16th century.

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  1. 1.

    yellowdog

    July 8, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Maybe that’s why he decided to run for President. He’s run out of banks to scam so he decided to scam an entire economy.

  2. 2.

    Richard Mayhew

    July 8, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    So he is not worth $10 billion. In 2012 iirc he told the SEC he had $250 million liquid. His go to bank now would probably be reluctant to front him cash secured by nonliquid assets as they are in trouble and do not need a political shitshow now.

    Popcorn please

  3. 3.

    Mike J

    July 8, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    What are the implications of the chief executive of the US government being in hock for $100 million (or more) to a foreign entity that has tried to evade laws aimed at curtailing risky financial shenanigans, that was recently caught manipulating markets around the world, and that attempts to influence the US government?

    I wouldn’t expect Trump’s policies to differ in any real sense from those of any other Republican. Which is not a vote of confidence in Trump, rather the opposite.

  4. 4.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    Hiya Tom. I finished your Vulcan book and started Einstein in Berlin yesterday. Really enjoyed Newton and Vulcan. Looking forward to getting into Einstein. History is so cool.

    ETA: Thank you for not following David Foster Wallace’s lead in his book on George Cantor, putting in challenging math and saying ‘deal with it’. I appreciate that.

  5. 5.

    dmsilev

    July 8, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    So, has Trump announced the speaker list for the convention yet? Was originally supposed to be Wednsday, postponed until yesterday ostensibly to let the media focus on emails, and since then, nothing. Convention starts in 10 days…

  6. 6.

    Tom Levenson

    July 8, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Many thanks! I love all my book-children equally, but Einstein is the work that cost my the most sweat and blood, and it is, I think, my best so far. Hope you find it fun/useful and all the rest.

  7. 7.

    joel hanes

    July 8, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I’m in the middle of Vulcan, and also enjoying it tremendously.

  8. 8.

    dmsilev

    July 8, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    @Richard Mayhew: He claimed that he wrote off the loans to his campaign, converting them to contributions, but has been oddly ….reluctant to supply the documentation that the conversion actually took place. I wonder whether there’s a cash crunch and he’s holding out hope of getting that money back eventually.

  9. 9.

    Mary G

    July 8, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    So he won’t disclose his tax returns, but admits to being in debt upwards of $250 million? And the one bank that has been willing to get into bed with him is failing. It’d be funny if he wasn’t pulling 40% of the vote.

  10. 10.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Damn, girl is WHITE!

  11. 11.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    I should be landing in Stuttgart right now but I’m in a hotel in London. Ontario. My 9 day training trip to Germany got abruptly canceled yesterday afternoon because I’m the only one in North America who can 1) fix this particular machine and 2) get across this border. I could be having spargel and bier, but it’s Tim Horton’s instead. I’ll be here until the laser is running, and I haven’t had a day off since 06/26.
    I am not happy with my job today.

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    July 8, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Someone posted that Ferret Head was being floated by folks in Russia.

  13. 13.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    July 8, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    I’ve said from the beginning that the Trump campaign is just a huge grifting operation. I also think the Romney campaign was a major grifting operation for a couple of his sons. Trump isn’t poor but he lives way beyond his means. I don’t think he’s got the money for the big plane,helicopter,security,Mar Lago, the Penthouse etc. He’s very wealthy but he’s no Paul Singer.

  14. 14.

    Gemina13

    July 8, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Deutsch’s share price will have to drop lower than that before it implodes, but that’s not saying much. Other factors come into play, like whether the shareholders start courting a takeover before someone else just jumps in and takes DB over. If I had a share in that bank, I’d start letting other shareholders know where my interests lay, namely, in a bank not ripped apart by criminal charges and lawsuits.

    It’s only July. Things can easily get worse for DB by the 3rd quarter.

  15. 15.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    I just checked my library system for an audio version of “The Hunt for Vulcan” (because for some reason I love nonfiction on audio book – it must stir up pleasant memories of lecture courses!). They don’t seem to have it, but it looks like it exists, so…purchase suggestion for my library!

  16. 16.

    Lizzy L

    July 8, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    It is customary, though not required, for federal officials to establish a blind trust, to hold, administer and manage her or his private financial assets, investments and ownerships, and of his or her spouse and dependent children, if she or he has any, as a method of conflict of interest avoidance.

    I wonder if Trump knows this. I expect that he would just refuse to do it, since it is not required by law.

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    July 8, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    @Richard Mayhew:

    Someone who understands campaign finance is going to figure out the lies that his campaign put out about how much they’ve raised. We’ll know soon enough.

    Like others have said..

    The GOP Crime Bosses have NOT opened their checkbooks to this con man.

  18. 18.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    Hope you find it fun/useful and all the rest.

    I don’t have the brain to make use of it. Chad Orzel taught his dog, and failed to instruct me. Brian Greene failed too. I read them for the historical aspects.
    I did not know where fractional reserve banking originated. The currency crisis in 17th century England due to arbitrage opportunities in precious metals was fascinating.

  19. 19.

    Tom Levenson

    July 8, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: fun is more than enough.

    The book I’m writing now (or rather, not writing while I distract myself here…;-) is all about Newton-era finance. I had no idea what a whacky, wild world it was until I dove in — prompted by some threads drawn from the Newton tale. Look for it (working title Money for Nothing) in two to three years.

  20. 20.

    maya

    July 8, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Someone posted that Ferret Head was being floated by folks in Russi

    BitRubles. It’s the next big thing in the financial realm.

  21. 21.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 8, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    pleasant memories of lecture courses!

    Say what?

  22. 22.

    Gemina13

    July 8, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @Mary G: Proof that we need to teach fiscal literacy in schools along with logic. There are plenty of people who understand the impossibility of squeezing blood from a stone–i.e., Trump claiming personal wealth in the billions while shorting his campaign operations. But too few people seem able to compare his actions and words and come to the correct conclusion that Shit is Fucked-Up and Bullshit.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @srv:

    Derp.

    Since when have you started signing your comments?

  24. 24.

    Lizzy L

    July 8, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Off topic, but irresistible: according to CNN, Newt Gingrich said Thursday that if asked, he would feel “compelled to serve the country” as Donald Trump’s running mate.

    Of course he would. How noble of him.

  25. 25.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    @Tom Levenson:
    I’ll look for that. I got interested in banking after reading Stephenson’s Baroque Cycle, which had a lot to do with merchant banking. It’s not the sexiest subject, but it’s arguably the skeleton and sinews that support economic progress. As we learned to our dismay in 2008. Or I hope we learned something from that debacle.

  26. 26.

    dmsilev

    July 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @rikyrah: Mark July 20th on your calendar. That’s when the FEC report for June comes out, and we’ll get an actual detailed update on his campaign’s finances.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    @Lizzy L: At least he didn’t say “ca-ching”.

  28. 28.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I know, weird, huh? I actually *enjoyed* most of my lecture courses!

  29. 29.

    MattF

    July 8, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Gosh. ‘Poor risk management’. I bet that’s a diplomatic euphemism for ‘lending money to Donald Trump’. When’s the fire sale on Donald’s assets?

  30. 30.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @Miss Bianca: oh, sure, you’ll read Tom’s book.

  31. 31.

    Gemina13

    July 8, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @maya:

    BitRubles–for PutinBros everywhere.

  32. 32.

    germy

    July 8, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @srv: I understand that your credo is to be against whatever we’re for, or to be for whatever we’re against, but do you ever look in your mirror and ask your reflection “Donald fucking Trump? What the fuck am I doing?”

  33. 33.

    encephalopath

    July 8, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    At this point I think it’s entirely possible that Trump has a negative net worth.

    Unless he proves otherwise with some relevant financial transparency, that’s what we should all assume to be the case.

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    July 8, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    My understanding is that it isn’t Deutsche Bank the powerhouse that is the only one who will deal with Trump, rather solely a smaller division.

    That division might well be cut loose to sink or swim on its own, or be snapped up by who knows who. Either scenario would not bode well for the future of DT’s conniving.

  35. 35.

    smith

    July 8, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    @Lizzy L: Newt has made major sacrifices out of love for his country before.

  36. 36.

    ThresherK

    July 8, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    From the Moral Orel-verse, Clay Puppington ran for reelection to the office of Mayor with the slogan, “I need the money”.

    Oh, I’d like life to imitate that for Trump.

  37. 37.

    Formerly disgruntled Clinton supporter

    July 8, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @smith: He’s a real patriot [gag]

  38. 38.

    hovercraft

    July 8, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    Greg Abbott just thanked Obama for his condolences and offer of support.
    That is all.

  39. 39.

    Technocrat

    July 8, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @srv:

    Warren Buffet gives roughly 2 billion dollars a year to the Gates Foundation. Obviously, no one gives billions to charity without some quid pro quo, right? It’d be naive to believe that, I assume.

    Wonder what Buffet is getting from Gates?

    Darryl Issa should investigate!

  40. 40.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: I hope you’re paid well and accumulate huge frequent flier miles to be used for awesome vacations.

  41. 41.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    July 8, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Anybody a little offended by Gov Abbott praising the cops,yet he was part of who made it possible for the shooter to go out with an AK47 with a lots of ammo to gun down the cops. A-hole.

  42. 42.

    ThresherK

    July 8, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Clay Puppington for Mayor. I need the money.

  43. 43.

    Manyakitty

    July 8, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @Baud: I’m (rudely) scrolling through this while friends are talking at the pool, and you made me conspicuously LOL. Thanks for blowing my cover, man.

  44. 44.

    ThresherK

    July 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    Hey, can someone un-WP my comment? I put a proper link in it an’ everything.

  45. 45.

    Dmbeaster

    July 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @srv: Unlike your boy wonder, the finances of the Foundation are public and subject to AG scrutiny as is any other charitable trust. There is no imaginary secret influence peddling by the Foundation except those imaginary ones embraced by the right wing fever swamps you inhabit. Your con man hero could never survive the same scrutiny if he made the same disclosures required by the Foundation.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s main man makes his real living off Putin, while being privy to classified briefings given to the Trump campaign. But look over there! Clinton Foundation!

  46. 46.

    Aleta

    July 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    What are the implications of the chief executive of the US government being in hock for $100 million (or more) to a foreign entity that has tried to evade laws aimed at curtailing risky financial shenanigans, that was recently caught manipulating markets around the world, and that attempts to influence the US government?

    It’s doubtful that a regular citizen could pass a background check for a even a medium-level security clearance with Trump’s record of debt, bankruptcies and foreign ties. It boggles the mind to think of him receiving clearances simply because of being nominated or elected.

  47. 47.

    Mike J

    July 8, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Greg Abbott just thanked Obama for his condolences and offer of support.

    daveweigel ‏@daveweigel 40 minutes ago
    Asked Cornel West if he saw Obama’s reactions to the shootings this week. “I thought it was weak.”

  48. 48.

    Manyakitty

    July 8, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @ThresherK: It already does. His last FEC filing showed a substantial amount of his budget going to interests of either him or his kids.

  49. 49.

    nutella

    July 8, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    Trump has cheated Deutsche Bank out of millions, including threatening to sue them for billions.

    Their profit margin with him must be huge. Or something’s going on under the table.

  50. 50.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @Mike J: In other news, water still wet.

  51. 51.

    MattF

    July 8, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @encephalopath: Trump is probably playing some game with his assets– like using them repeatedly to secure a whole lot of indebtedness with various sketchy lenders. People have talked about his various real estate assets, but I’ve never seen anything like a complete accounting. I’m guessing that’s because there isn’t one.

    ETA: Not to mention the ‘value’ of the Trump ‘brand’. It’s a WTF in spades.

  52. 52.

    Technocrat

    July 8, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @Baud:

    At least he didn’t say “ca-ching”.

    Out loud.

    For real though, Newt is no dummy. This is not his first rodeo. He’s recognized the Trump campaign for the Grift Gravy Train it is. There is zero chance he thinks he will be Vice President of anything but book sales.

  53. 53.

    ThresherK

    July 8, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @Manyakitty: Heehee. “Nepotism is when your nephew is a damn fool!” (How to Succeed…)

    This is the Clay Puppington campaign poster from Morel Orel, t-shirtified.

  54. 54.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 8, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Aleta: Don’t forget, the Republicans are making noises about denying Clinton access to the security briefings because of the email server mess.

    I have to admit, it’s a classic move: preemptively accuse your opponent of the same things that are your candidate’s greatest weaknesses, so that if they bring up the subject it just looks like a weak “tu quoque” retort. Going early and hard after Bill Clinton’s sexual behavior is the same kind of thing: they know Trump has personally done all the same stuff and far worse, so they get their retaliatory smears in first to neutralize it.

  55. 55.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: damme, sir, I say, damme!

    What’s your email link again? ; )

  56. 56.

    Howard Beale IV

    July 8, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Just think about it: LinkedIn’s market cap is bigger than Deutsche Bank’s. And Deutsche Bank has been declared a Systematically Important Financial Institution. Hell, even though it’s not public yet, Uber’s alleged market valuation is considered three times higher than DB. Many of the regional banks in the US have much higher market caps than DB – SunTrust, BB&T, US Bank, PNC.

    It’s crazy.

  57. 57.

    MattF

    July 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Right. Given Trump’s bankruptcies and his being pals with various Russian kleptocrats, he’d never get a security clearance.

  58. 58.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @Miss Bianca: theworldbeyondeels at gmail ?

  59. 59.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @redshirt:
    When you work 150-200 days a year away from home, a vacation is turning off the phone and staying in your own house. I do get perks, but who wants to travel when you just got back?
    I’m training a new Canadian guy and have high hopes of his taking over the work on this side of the border within the year. Then I can go back to taking jobs in Mexico instead of Quebec in February.

  60. 60.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    July 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    Wasn’t one of Nixon’s problems he had to make a lot money a corporate lawyer first before he ran for president because no conservative would take him seriously until then?

  61. 61.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: Lots of companies have market caps bigger than financial institutions. Apple isn’t about to labeled a SIFI. Size is just one factor.

  62. 62.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @Manyakitty: Baud usually manages to get *at least* one LOL per thread from yours truly. And yes…I have been busted on it!

    @Major Major Major Major: Tracking. : )

  63. 63.

    Feathers

    July 8, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    One thing about the next election cycle is that the parties really need to do more vetting of the candidates they let into the debates. Tax returns should be released. I’d be OK with submitted to the party for public release down the road, but the tax return issue needs to be out of a candidate’s hands by the time they enter the race. That would have helped the Dems this year as well.

    Was anything made of Trump’s indebtedness in the primaries? I think they all just thought/hoped/wished that he’d just fall by the wayside.

    Letting people run for President of the United States for fun has got to stop.

  64. 64.

    dogwood

    July 8, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Technocrat:
    Newt might just think that Trump will get himself impeached or be forced to resign. Then he can become America’s philosopher King.

  65. 65.

    lollipopguild

    July 8, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    Tom l.-When you were on the planet Vulcan did you have a chance to talk to Mr. Spock? I read your book and really liked it.

  66. 66.

    eclare

    July 8, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: What do you do? Saw your posts about Tuscaloosa, and that you were going to Germany, thought that was a weird combo.

  67. 67.

    MattF

    July 8, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @dogwood: I’d refrain from trying to read Noot’s mind.

  68. 68.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @srv: Derp.

  69. 69.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @srv: that’s dumb even by your standards.

  70. 70.

    satby

    July 8, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: That totally stinks. But job security? Doesn’t sound like they could ever afford to RIF you.

  71. 71.

    burnspbesq

    July 8, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @nutella:

    A long time ago, i was told that if a large corporation was doing something that appeared screwy, the answer to the question “why are they doing that” would most likely be found in senior execs’ bonus formulas. At a place like DB, you don’t get ahead by not doing deals.

  72. 72.

    Emma

    July 8, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Audible.com. That’s where I got mine, but you need a membership. You can probably also get it directly from Amazon.

  73. 73.

    satby

    July 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Aleta: shoot, I’m having trouble getting a corporate job since my credit took a dive after my layoff. And I don’t work with financial stuff at all. I mostly train staff and manage help desks, when I work in IT.

  74. 74.

    jl

    July 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    I’m sure any issues that ensue from possible DB problems are covered in articles VIII through XII of the Constitution, or maybe it’s chapters 7 through 15, which Beloved and Dear President Trump will use to resolve all difficulties. Trump is a world class expert on those parts of the Constitution and knows more about them than anybody, despite what the weak loser liberal scoffers say on this almost Top 10,000 miserable lefty blog.

  75. 75.

    nutella

    July 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Heh. Probably right.

    What was I thinking expecting a big company to be run for the benefit of the company’s or shareholders’ bottom lines?

  76. 76.

    1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)

    July 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m in, too, if slots are still available. I’ll email now.

  77. 77.

    PeakVT

    July 8, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: I worked about 6 months straight (7 days a week). But I am on vacation now and I haven’t even left my yard for 3 days. It’s bliss.

    Back to work tomorrow, though.

  78. 78.

    Emma

    July 8, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @germy: Vampires keep no mirrors.

  79. 79.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet): cool, thanks.

    Glad somebody finally took that nym too ??

  80. 80.

    PeakVT

    July 8, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    Also, I really hope DB has to be bailed out in a spectacular fashion. That would be some karma that Merkel and the rest of the German political establishment deserve.

  81. 81.

    debbie

    July 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @redshirt:

    I take it you haven’t seen many female portraits from that period, like Elizabeth I? They took “porcelain complexion” very seriously.

  82. 82.

    jl

    July 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @PeakVT: Any problems in the German economy will be found to be caused by a sad but excusable excess of virtue. Their economists have proven that already.

  83. 83.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @Emma: how do they tie all those bow ties?

  84. 84.

    encephalopath

    July 8, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    if a large corporation was doing something that appeared screwy, the answer to the question “why are they doing that” would most likely be found in senior execs’ bonus formulas.

    This still rings true for the time I have spent working for corporations in the last 15 years.

  85. 85.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @satby: @eclare:

    I fix industrial lasers for a huge German company. Mostly in auto manufacturing. Also in research and weird things like medical devices production. One day in a bunny suit in an air conditioned cleanroom, and the next up on a machine platform in 110 degree heat and shocking grime.
    It isn’t boring, and the pay is about what you’d imagine you’d get for the working conditions 50-60 hours a week.
    And I get to use words like femtosecond and gigawatt in casual conversation like some kind of savant nerd in steel toe boots.

  86. 86.

    Roger Moore

    July 8, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @dmsilev:

    He claimed that he wrote off the loans to his campaign, converting them to contributions, but has been oddly ….reluctant to supply the documentation that the conversion actually took place. I wonder whether there’s a cash crunch and he’s holding out hope of getting that money back eventually.

    I assume that’s exactly what happened. He knew he was going to have trouble getting donations as long as it was understood that the money would go to pay back his loans to himself, so he claimed he was going to write them off in the hopes it would get the donations flowing. Now that they apparently are, he’s going to hold out for as long as possible before actually submitting any paperwork, since every day he goes without is one day of donations that can be used to pay back his loans. He isn’t going to produce that paperwork until it starts hurting his flow of donations again.

  87. 87.

    rikyrah

    July 8, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    12 cops had discharged their weapons in Dallas. Makes sense. How many cops died from ‘ friendly fire’?

  88. 88.

    Emma

    July 8, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Their man-servants do it for them — in between eating flies, of course.

  89. 89.

    rikyrah

    July 8, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    Did they release everyone else that they had pulled in for questioning in Dallas?

  90. 90.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    @PeakVT:
    This Germany training was supposed to be a break for me from teh grind. I was seriously miffed when they canceled it less than a day before my flight, and assigned me to an awful, urgent job. I’m going to lobby for another training trip there in the fall. Maybe October. Maybe Munich.

  91. 91.

    Roger Moore

    July 8, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Lizzy L:

    I wonder if Trump knows this. I expect that he would just refuse to do it, since it is not required by law.

    It wouldn’t work for Trump anyway. His biggest single asset right now is his name, which can’t be put into a blind trust.

  92. 92.

    Jack the Second

    July 8, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @srv: Here’s another great set of interesting connections you may want to peruse.

  93. 93.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 8, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    @Jack the Second: Priceless.

  94. 94.

    hovercraft

    July 8, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @dmsilev:
    Yes I can’t wait to that report, he claims over 50 million raised for him and the party but has not filed with the FEC. I smell a rat, some campaign experts were saying that the bs info he released looked like he was counting money from May in his June numbers. Maybe he thinks that the convention and vp hullubaloo will drown out the numbers. We will see.

  95. 95.

    Tom Levenson

    July 8, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @lollipopguild: I so hoped to get a blurb from Boston-area homeboy Leonard Nimoy. Bastard had to go and die on me….

  96. 96.

    rikyrah

    July 8, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    He knew he was going to have trouble getting donations as long as it was understood that the money would go to pay back his loans to himself, so he claimed he was going to write them off in the hopes it would get the donations flowing. Now that they apparently are, he’s going to hold out for as long as possible before actually submitting any paperwork, since every day he goes without is one day of donations that can be used to pay back his loans. He isn’t going to produce that paperwork until it starts hurting his flow of donations again.

    I think the entire opposite. HE SAID that he was going to ‘forgive’ the loans, and he thought that the GOP Crime Bosses would take him at his word, and start giving the checks.

    But, the GOP Crime Bosses KNOW how he works, and never believed a word that he said, and refused to open up their checkbooks.

    So, we get the first story of him ‘ forgiving’ the loans, but no paperwork, and nobody can find the paperwork.

    THEN, we get the gigantic fundraising number that I’m sure includes the ‘ forgiving’ of the loans.

    He never had any intentions of forgiving the loans. He has just run into a group of people who actually are quite clear about how he works his cons.

  97. 97.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    July 8, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Whatever you did, the link doesn’t work.

  98. 98.

    hovercraft

    July 8, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Mike J:
    Well Obama didn’t threaten to disband every police department in the country and name Cornell West, Bernie Sanders and Killer Mike, Attorney General, FBI Director, and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court supreme. You decide who goes where, that would be a strong response.

  99. 99.

    Aleta

    July 8, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Try the Marienbad Restaurant and Pub, German beer and Czech food, in London near Dundas St and Queens, near the river.

  100. 100.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    One day in a bunny suit in an air conditioned cleanroom, and the next up on a machine platform in 110 degree heat and shocking grime.

    You do realize, of course, that now I’m picturing you in an actual bunny suit.

  101. 101.

    Juju

    July 8, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @Jack the Second: The Scripts spelling bee, venomous spider connection is something that’s going to keep me up at night.

  102. 102.

    Shell

    July 8, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    he would feel “compelled to serve the country” as Donald Trump’s running mate.

    Ugh. Could he be any more “Ass-plant smooch here”?

  103. 103.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @Lizzy L:

    according to CNN, Newt Gingrich said Thursday that if asked, he would feel “compelled to serve the country” as Donald Trump’s running mate.

    Not only would we go from Barack and Uncle Joe to Donald and Newton Leroy as POTUS and VPOTUS — we would also go from Michelle and Dr. Jill to Melania and Callista as FLOTUS and SLOTUS. I really don’t think I could take that.

  104. 104.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I’m turned on too.

  105. 105.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @Miss Bianca: you’re not afraid of bunny suits?

    *updates list*

  106. 106.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @Aleta:

    Try the Marienbad Restaurant and Pub, German beer and Czech food, in London near Dundas St and Queens, near the river.

    REALLY!? That’s a mile away. Sounds like my stop for celebration after this mission is done. Thanks for the recommendation. Easy name to remember.

  107. 107.

    Roger Moore

    July 8, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @Juju:
    I’m amazed by the Cheese Consumption/Bedsheet Strangling correlation. Are there really nearly 1000 people a year who die of strangling in their bedsheets?

  108. 108.

    debbie

    July 8, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I think Newt fancies himself as the next Puppetmaster.

  109. 109.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    You do realize, of course, that now I’m picturing you in an actual bunny suit.

    Let me take the edge off that. That was the assignment where I asked what they were processing with their high power pulse laser and they casually handed me four square feet of dried human cadaver epidermis. Just handed it to me in a sterile bag. Now if it doesn’t look like transmission parts from a distance I keep my mouth shut.

  110. 110.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: now Miss B’s probably envisioning *that* AND the actual bunny suit.

  111. 111.

    Shell

    July 8, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    Wake up.

    You forgot to add “sheeples” to the end of that.

  112. 112.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    damme, sir, I say, damme!

    Did you hear her? Did you hear her?
    Oh the monster overbearing!
    Don’t go near her — don’t go near her,
    She is swearing, she is swearing!!

  113. 113.

    Emma

    July 8, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: It sounds faintly Silence of the Lambs to me!

  114. 114.

    PeakVT

    July 8, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: You’re really going to turn *some* people on now.

    Balloon-Juice attracts all types, dontchaknow. And it’s still #1 on the net for kitten skull-*ucking!

  115. 115.

    Shell

    July 8, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    Wake up.

    You forgot to add “sheeples” to the end of that.

  116. 116.

    Technocrat

    July 8, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @Juju:

    Bicyclists killed in collision with stationary object vs People who died by falling from a ladder

    Makes perfect sense if the stationary object is a ladder that’s in use.

  117. 117.

    scav

    July 8, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m already fully envisioning a sort of furries-disco themed wake and creation party.

  118. 118.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    I met a woman at a party once who’s job was to purchase foreskins from hospitals for use in research.

    She had a nice title, but she was really a foreskin purchaser.

  119. 119.

    Shell

    July 8, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    Wake up.

    You forgot to add “sheeples” to the end of that.

  120. 120.

    Shell

    July 8, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    Suddenly I cant post any comments?

  121. 121.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @redshirt: Foreskin Angels – Rachel Bloom

  122. 122.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @redshirt: How much does a good foreskin go for?

  123. 123.

    eclare

    July 8, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: That sounds very impressive. I hope your travel issues get sorted out. Although it might be better to be out of the US right now. PS, my condolences about being in Tuscaloosa. Went to an SEC school, not Aladamnbama.

  124. 124.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 8, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Keep in mind that Oktoberfest this year is in fact September 17 through October 3. You might want to nudge the arrival date back into the previous month. Then again, you might not: The beer will be just as good after the rubble has stopped bouncing in oom-pah-pah rhythm.

    If you really want to get shitfaced in style, go to Prague for the Czech Beer Festival next May. I went a few years back (staying with a friend just one Metro stop away); 85 brands & not a clinker in the bunch.

  125. 125.

    PeakVT

    July 8, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @Shell: Only the comments you really want to post. FYWP is tricky and devious in that way, among others.

    ETA: … and now my comment makes no sense. FYWP.

  126. 126.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: LOL. It’s so weird.

  127. 127.

    Technocrat

    July 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @redshirt:

    Would you say she had a circumspect title that lacked precision?

  128. 128.

    Roger Moore

    July 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @debbie:

    I think Newt fancies himself as the next Puppetmaster.

    He needs to remember what Cactus Jack Garner said about the vice presidency.

  129. 129.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    Maybe October. Maybe Munich.

    You spelled Oktoberfest wrong.

  130. 130.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @Baud: She bought in bulk.

  131. 131.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @redshirt: don’t slut shame.

  132. 132.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    Bastard had to go and die on me….

    He only does it to annoy
    Because he knows it teases.

  133. 133.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @redshirt: No questions asked, I assume.

  134. 134.

    The Pale Scot

    July 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    In the scheme of things, 50 mil isn’t really a “mega” loan.

    And will the MSM ever stop tiptoeing around the reality that between Libor, the various derivative scams, and mortgage loan fraud the finance industry has stolen somewhere between 2 to 8 trillion dollars in the last 20 years.

    What’s the term of venery for vampire squids? I can’t find a word big or sleazy enough. Well maybe, a Sleaze of Squids? “Vampire” messes up the meter.

  135. 135.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @eclare:
    Thanks. Tuscaloosa wasn’t bad except for the 100 degree heat and the thunderstorm that trapped me on the top floor of a hotel with no power one night. That was last week. This week I’m sorta glad to be north of the border where guns are taken with appropriate seriousness. One reason I’m the only one who can come here/do this: several of my colleagues have firearms related issues on their records. No big deal in the ‘States, but will absolutely keep you out of Canada. As much as I bitch about traveling in Ontario, it is safer.

  136. 136.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    @Juju:

    The Scripts spelling bee, venomous spider connection is something that’s going to keep me up at night.

    As a former county spelling bee champeen and almost a state finalist (came in 4th, dammit!), that was my favorite *correlation* too.

  137. 137.

    Mike J

    July 8, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @Emma: More Donnie Darko.

  138. 138.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    You do realize, of course, that now I’m picturing you in an actual bunny suit.

    With long pink ears and a fluffy tail….

  139. 139.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 8, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Beat him when he sneezes!

  140. 140.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Technocrat: Heh. It was something like Manager of Biologic Acquisitions or something like that. Long time ago.

  141. 141.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    Try the Marienbad Restaurant and Pub

    You should have gone last year.

  142. 142.

    Roger Moore

    July 8, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @redshirt:

    I met a woman at a party once who’s job was to purchase foreskins from hospitals for use in research.

    I believe that they prefer to refer to that kind of thing as “discard tissue”.

  143. 143.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Baud: Since she had a job in this area, I assume there were competitors, and therefore bids.

  144. 144.

    Emma

    July 8, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Mike J: Ugh. That’s… interesting, it is.

  145. 145.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @Baud:

    How much does a good foreskin go for?

    Five bucks, same as in town.

  146. 146.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @redshirt:

    You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon… with nail polish. These fucking amateurs…

  147. 147.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @Technocrat:

    Would you say she had a circumspect title that lacked precision?

    Executive Assistant Deputy Vice President for Hubris

  148. 148.

    eclare

    July 8, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Hope you get to enjoy being home soon. Although it sounds like a really interesting job, and you definitely have job security.

  149. 149.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    SPEAK HARSHLY

  150. 150.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: LOL. Shut the fuck up Donny!

  151. 151.

    Poopyman

    July 8, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @Baud:

    How much does a good foreskin go for?

    What separates a good foreskin from a bad foreskin?

  152. 152.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Poopyman: A shower.

  153. 153.

    gogol's wife

    July 8, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I spent a few days in London, Ont., decades ago, and I thought it was the nicest town I’d even been in.

  154. 154.

    Martha from Augusta

    July 8, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @Poopyman: The glans?

  155. 155.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: I was the prohibitive favorite in my elementary school spelling be in 6th grade…& bombed out on the first word I was given (pier). Two years later I won the junior high school bee, squeaked into the regional finals finishing 10th in the county (appellate) & ended up 3rd (top male) in the state (queue). Ain’t no tellin’. :^p

  156. 156.

    Felonius Monk

    July 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    According to Margaret and Helen:

    If Donald Trump wins this election, the only Bern anyone will be feeling is heartburn.

    and more

    which voters have their heads farther up their asses, Trump supporters or Brexit voters? Wait a minute. Is it farther or further? I don’t know, but either way the asshats they are now wearing aren’t making anyone great again.

  157. 157.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    All this talk of foreskins reminds me of one of my all-time favourite moments on NPR’s “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me.”

    There was a question that essentially boiled down to “What did Aristotle Onassis use to cover the barstools on his luxury yacht?” and the answer was “The foreskins of Blue Whales.”

    So the host, Peter Sagal, asked rhetorically “What kind of person would take a job circumcising Blue Whales?” and without missing a beat, one of the panellists replied “Call me Ishmoyel.”

    I can LOL about it to this day, and it must be at least ten years ago.

  158. 158.

    Felonius Monk

    July 8, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @Poopyman:

    What separates a good foreskin

    A scalpel?

  159. 159.

    redshirt

    July 8, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @Roger Moore: One man’s discarded tissue is another woman’s job.

  160. 160.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 8, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Jeebus H. Cripes on a Harley, as an FMS (Former Mackerel Snapper) I remember that joke fondly–& I tell it exceedingly well.

    I would lay good money you also know the one whose punch line is

    The bishop is your father.

  161. 161.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 8, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @gogol’s wife:
    Big enough to be interesting and small enough to be friendly. Closer to Toronto it’s like all big cities: brusque and impersonal.
    Gotta get up at 4:30. Night, all, and thanks for another fascinating evening. I’ll probably have a nightmare about the foreskin collectors now.

  162. 162.

    Mike in NC

    July 8, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    When we toured London (UK) a couple of years ago, the most interesting pub name we saw was “Hung Drawn & Quartered”.

  163. 163.

    Felonius Monk

    July 8, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @debbie:

    I think Newt fancies himself as the next Puppetmaster.

    When, in fact, he would just be a Derp Vader.

  164. 164.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    July 8, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    OT, but there’s a huge protest outside CNN in Atlanta about their bullshit programming, happening now. They’re not covering it. If the revolution is televised, CNN will have counterprogramming.

  165. 165.

    Emma

    July 8, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You are SO lucky I had set down my coffee! Otherwise, the laptop bill would be winging its way to you soonest!

  166. 166.

    Elmo

    July 8, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: God yes.
    My next six weeks:
    Charlotte
    El Paso
    Louisville
    Chicago
    Home
    Portland
    “But Elmo, why don’t you take your wife anywhere on vacation?”
    Dude. Because I just got back.

  167. 167.

    Central Planning

    July 8, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @burnspbesq: one of the quotes I’ve learned at work is “compensation drives behavior”

  168. 168.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Huh. I remember the punch line but would have to wander way back in memory to retrieve the set-up.

    Same with a joke whose punch is “He says he knows Mother!!”

  169. 169.

    GregB

    July 8, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    I think there is a typo. Trump keeps his money in a German Duetche-bag.

  170. 170.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    All this talk of foreskins reminds me of

    That could have gone so many ways, but you choose the classy option.

  171. 171.

    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Here’s a live feed.. link Earlier they were trying to shut down an interstate. If they went to be heard, maybe the way to do it, is not to close down an interstate. just sayin

  172. 172.

    Elmo

    July 8, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:
    “Reliquary.”
    Fuck me, I added the “c” because I’d never seen the word and asked for the definition.
    I’ve never forgotten that, in forty years.

  173. 173.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    @Baud:

    That could have gone so many ways, but you choose the classy option.

    The Aristocrats!

  174. 174.

    Mike J

    July 8, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    On Thursday, Facebook said a “technical glitch” caused the recording to be pulled from its social network. However, Reynolds claimed officers seized her phone and took over her Facebook account to delete the evidence.

    Multiple sources with knowledge of the event have tonight confirmed to The Register that someone – highly suspected to be the city’s police – used her phone to remove her recording from public view shortly after the shooting. This was no technical glitch.

  175. 175.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 8, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    @JPL:
    as if anything else works

  176. 176.

    Keith G

    July 8, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @Baud:

    How much does a good foreskin go for?

    And does the temperature of the sales room have any impact on price?

    Now, when I first scanned Tom’s headline and illustration, I first though of the Iron Bank. However, once I got down here, the Cock Merchant come to mind.

    TGOT is life!

    Eta – @Major Major Major Major: Experience is a harsh teacher, yes? BTW – Best tag of the day.

  177. 177.

    Elmo

    July 8, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    @encephalopath: My experience is a little different. Usually the answer is “Because we’ve always done it that way,” and if you had a mind you could trace it back to one middle manager with severe emotional problems and a stress disorder who decided it was the best way to keep people from making her phone ring.

  178. 178.

    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    @Schlemazel Khan: Shutting down a highway causes more animosity… not less..
    Bqhatevwr

  179. 179.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 8, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Elmo: I’m sure there’s a classification in the DSM for spelling bee induced trauma.

  180. 180.

    lollipopguild

    July 8, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Tom Levenson: By Grapthar’s Hammer!

  181. 181.

    Juju

    July 8, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Roger Moore: perhaps it’s some form of natural selection or just getting wild in the bedsheets gone terribly wrong.

  182. 182.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Hillary gave a speech tonight at the AME Church in Philadelphia. I only saw her Twitter stream, but it seems like a strong speech.

  183. 183.

    Keith G

    July 8, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I’m sure there’s a classification in the DSM for spelling bee induced trauma.

    A new branch of Beehiveral Science?

  184. 184.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 8, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @Baud: Just saw people tweeting a link to this video.

  185. 185.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 8, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @JPL:
    Yes, you are right. OTOH you have not had multiple people who sort of look like you get shot for no good reason so you may not understand the frustration of being killed & then ignored. Shutting down the freeway looks counter-productive but it does express the frustration in a way that will get noticed. Polite people generally are ignored.

  186. 186.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @JPL:

    Oh yes. I still have vivid memories of Freaknik.

  187. 187.

    Mike J

    July 8, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @Keith G: Alphapiphobia?

  188. 188.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Thanks. Might watch it later.

  189. 189.

    James E Powell

    July 8, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @Baud:

    Watch it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feJbR25IHj4

  190. 190.

    michael hart

    July 8, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    A bowl of spaghetti walks into a bar and orders a beer

    The bartender says, “we don’t serve food here!”

  191. 191.

    Central Planning

    July 8, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: my 6th grade teacher pronounced “tentative” as “tenative” (which is valid) so I lost. Sign me up for therapy

  192. 192.

    Baud

    July 8, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @James E Powell: Thank you.

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    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @Schlemazel Khan: All I can say is you don’t know me.

    But make your judgments anyway

  194. 194.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @JPL:

    It makes shit real. Like, really real. I’m sure there were many people pissed off when they couldn’t use the Edmund Pettus bridge, too.

    ETA: They’re not just blocking the freeway, they’ve fucking occupied it.

  195. 195.

    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yes I remember that. There was a person who worked in the Krogers boasting the next morning as I walked by. I went to the front desk with tears in my eyes and said what I heard. Days later I happened to be checking out, and the baggers were talking among them, mentioning that they were glad he was gone, because he was a real jerk.
    Sometimes speaking up works.
    also.. the workers were afraid to speak up, but were glad that a shopper did.

  196. 196.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 8, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @JPL:
    oddly enough I would say the same thing

  197. 197.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Baud:

    I have a good friend — former colleague who went back to school and is now an ordained AME minister — who is in Philly for the convention. I assume, and hope, that she was in the hall for Hillary’s speech (which I just watched, BTW: good speech).

  198. 198.

    Keith G

    July 8, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Baud: T’was an interesting speech. Better than I thought it would be. There are a lot of different constituencies that she needed to give a “hug” to. That is usually a script for a muddled performance, but she hit the right notes and she managed to tie up substance with appropriate style.

  199. 199.

    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: The city of Atlanta is giving space to rally and protest.
    Shutting down interstate highways only punishes those who might favor change. It’s just my opinion.

  200. 200.

    Lurker Extraordinaire

    July 8, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Plus, in order to get into some of the Oktoberfest beer tents, you have to purchase tickets months or even a year in advance.

    There are always fests around Germany, no need to deal with Oktoberfest. Smaller fests are just as fun, if not more so. I recommend Killianifest in Wurzberg, if you can get there soon. Usually held end of July.

    Sorry. Back to lurking.

  201. 201.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 8, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    DB bankster: “What do you mean, ‘poor risk management’?”
    Fed auditor: “You loan to Donald Trump”.
    DB bankster: “Oh, yeah, that thing..”

  202. 202.

    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: That really made me sad and since it was a store I shopped in, they knew me. The gal I complained to, was white also and she became teary eyed. It was nice though, to overhear the baggers talk about the jerk.

  203. 203.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 8, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @efgoldman: is it Spargelzeit already? Time flies.

  204. 204.

    JPL

    July 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    Here’s another feed to the Atlanta protest.. link

  205. 205.

    Feathers

    July 8, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @Elmo: I love hearing crazy, nonsensical rules and imagining the dumbass who fucked up and the response was that rule. At MIT, they have signs next to the elevator stating that you should evacuate the building if there is a fire or you hear an alarm and that “It is Institute policy not to fight fires.” That sentence deserves fanfic.

  206. 206.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 8, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @Elmo: I was going to say that I’d never forgotten those words in over 50 years. But I did. Or at least I misremembered. Because the word I missed on in the state final wasn’t queue–it was escrow. (Two legal terms that year–I was a STEM kid with no interest in the profession.)

    Yet I distinctly remember missing on queue. Must have been in 7th grade.

    “Till then, my noble friend, chew upon this”*: In how many languages does the notion of a spelling bee as a test of mental moxie even make sense? I can’t think of another besides English. Most languages that use some sort of linear alphabet have been put in written form recently enough that most everything is spelled exactly as pronounced. Greek, maybe–but even there you have a very limited number of sounds (mostly vowels) that are represented by multiple letter groupings producing ambiguity in possible spellings. (My Greek instructor told us his mother was always misspelling words in her letters but what she intended was always obvious once you pronounced it.)

    * Julius Caesar, Act I, Scene 2.

  207. 207.

    Avalie

    July 8, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @Elmo: that was the same word that bumped me out of the regional bee in Tulsa about the same time. Same mistake.

  208. 208.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @JPL:

    I only remember sitting for, literally, hours on the Connector trying to get home from work — this would have been some time in the early ’90s, when my office was still downtown in CNN Center — and listening to the radio traffic reporters describing conditions that I was in the middle of! I don’t recall being particularly judgmental about it then or later (any more than I have been over the years about various Presidential motorcades screwing up Atlanta traffic at rush hour) — and anyhow, Freaknik was just a Spring Break, not a protest. I do remember feeling very sorry for the wedding party who couldn’t get to the church because the partiers were blocking their cars on the Interstates. I think they ended up getting out, abandoning their vehicles, and walking to the venue, but I’m foggy on the details after all these years.

  209. 209.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @efgoldman:

    No, but I’m guessing the alien Callista does.

  210. 210.

    Glidwrith

    July 8, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @Baud: Roughly $200. Lungs cost about $1000.

  211. 211.

    Elmo

    July 8, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @Avalie: NO!! Seriously?!
    That’s – I don’t even know, but I’m grinning like an idiot over here that somebody else had the same word stock in their head for the same reason. HA!

  212. 212.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @efgoldman:

    May I politely refer you, good sir, to SiubhanDuinne.

    I thank you, sir.

  213. 213.

    rikyrah

    July 8, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    @Mike J:

    uh huh

    uh huh

  214. 214.

    Davis X. Machina

    July 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: The French had a national dicteé competition for adults. That’s how baked their orthography is — and the finals were televised.

  215. 215.

    Eric U.

    July 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: my son burned out on spelling bees after he competed in one. He was a spelling phenomenon in 1st grade. His teacher made all the kids come up with their own spelling list, but he didn’t find it challenging. So his kept getting more ridiculous, but I think he topped out with ‘antidisestablishmentarianism’.

  216. 216.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @efgoldman:

    What, you expect me to read down a whole thread before I comment?

    Yes, yes I do.

    Shirley you jest.

    Not goin there, not gettin out of that boat, not eatin that puddin.

  217. 217.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @efgoldman:

    “Psychiatry Department: Around the Bend.”

    LOL.

    When I first worked in radio, we bicycled in a lot of programs on disc, everything from the CBC’s “Ookpik the Arctic Owl” to Kenneth Horne’s comedy program “Round the Horne.” One of the characters on Horne’s show was called Spasm the Butler, and his catch-phrase (in a high, wavering voice) was “I have been here for many years. Many, many, many years. Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years. Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many ….”

    Maybe you had to be there.

  218. 218.

    burnspbesq

    July 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @The Pale Scot:

    the finance industry has stolen somewhere between 2 to 8 trillion dollars in the last 20 years.

    Would you perhaps want to substantiate that number with actual data from a reliable source?

  219. 219.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Baud: Goddammit!! You’re doing it to me AGAIN, you creature! LOL!

    @Major Major Major Major: No, clowns scare me, but not the Easter bunny. I am not Anya the Vengeance Demon.

  220. 220.

    Miss Bianca

    July 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: you are funny!

    @Uncle Cosmo: I remember that joke! I haven’t heard it in years, tho!

  221. 221.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    It’s W. S. Gilbert who is funny, but I’ll take credit for knowing the perfect G&S quotation :-)

  222. 222.

    PurpleGirl

    July 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @Technocrat: Warren Buffet doesn’t want to administer the money himself. Since Gates wants to actually be involved with running his foundation. (In fact some in the non-profit field think Gates takes too much interest in who he gives the money.) Buffet also doesn’t want to decide who to give the money, Gates does that for him.

    Buffet has given money to each of his children to give away according to their interests.

  223. 223.

    Avalie

    July 8, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @Elmo: Yep. Spelled it with a c after I heard the definition. 8th grade, maybe 1979?

  224. 224.

    The Pale Scot

    July 9, 2016 at 12:06 am

    @burnspbesq:
    At the top is the Libor frauds, which has estimates of 1.5 trillion to 3 trillion dollars. I can’t unravel the CDS-mortgage fraud history in a paragraph. That link is to a blog which can be sorta conspiracy nuttish, but if you click thru his links you end at articles from legitimate news sources.

    I would add the GS fraud that allowed Greece to join the EU. Basically starting with S&L scandal in the 80’s.

    I suppose the abacus in the back of my head is also totaling value lost thru questionable yet still technically legal schemes, like back in the early 2000’s when GS talked N. Dakota utility execs into selling all their plants and plowing the money into fiber optic cable systems. GS skimmed 300 mil for the bond issue to make that go. This utility was a major part of the savings portfolios of local population, the utility did not inform their shareholders in a timely manner, you can guess how that worked out.

    Since the investment banks went public after the end of Glass/Steagal and are now using other people’s money at the casino, their actions have become more and more sociopathic.

    I’m from the Louis Rukeyser era, I have a big problem with the avoidance of fiduciary responsibilities in the modern era. Especially with the end of private pensions (everybody is suppose to manage their money on their own, while the stockbroker is like a RE agent).

    Goodnight, hope this helps

  225. 225.

    No One You Know

    July 9, 2016 at 12:18 am

    @Poopyman: Tiny hands.

  226. 226.

    The Pale Scot

    July 9, 2016 at 12:19 am

    @The Pale Scot: PS

    It’s called “I Won’t Be Here You won’t Be Here” – IWBHYWBH (when the shit hits the fan)

  227. 227.

    Emily68

    July 9, 2016 at 9:30 am

    @Shell: Notice how Newt didn’t feel compelled to serve his country when we were fighting the Viet Nam war. He compulsions come and go.

  228. 228.

    J R in WV

    July 9, 2016 at 11:04 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    Dude, if you’re the only person in the World who can fix certain specific high-tech stuff, you should get another zero added to your pay check right away! And stock, and a company paid 401K. And your own card for private jets, the hell with those airlines!

  229. 229.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    July 9, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    @The Pale Scot: Why, a venal, of course, as in “a venal of vampire squids”.

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