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You are here: Home / Pet Blogging / Dog Blogging / Monday Morning Open Thread: Onwards!

Monday Morning Open Thread: Onwards!

by Anne Laurie|  July 11, 20165:35 am| 136 Comments

This post is in: Dog Blogging, Election 2016, Hail to the Hairpiece, Hillary Clinton 2016, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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mr mack companions

From commentor Mr. Mack:

Can’t have a preponderance of cat pics, amirite?

Back in the political world, the Washington Post is tired of trying to reason with some people…

Both are unpopular. Only one is a threat.
…[T]he two major-party candidates for president are historically unpopular. But if this election is unusually bad, it is not because both parties chose bad candidates. There is no equivalence between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton — as even responsible Republicans should be able to recognize.

Ms. Clinton is a knowledgeable politician who has been vetted many times over. She understands and respects the U.S. Constitution. She knows policy. She can cite accomplishments in the public interest, such as pressing through an important children’s health insurance program during her husband’s administration. As a senator, she was respected by colleagues on both sides of the aisle. She completed four years as secretary of state to generally positive reviews. She began her presidential campaign by rolling out a series of serious policy papers…

Mr. Trump, by contrast, has waged a campaign based on bigotry, ignorance and resentment. He has no experience as a public servant, and his private record of bankruptcies and exploitation should be disqualifying. He regularly circulates falsehoods. He has no dis­cern­ible interest in or knowledge of policy…

…[T]o equate the two candidates as indistinguishably unqualified products of a rigged or failed system only feeds public cynicism while blurring distinctions that should not be blurred. Ms. Clinton is a politician, long in the arena, whom you may or may not support. Mr. Trump is a danger to the republic.

Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, what’s on the agenda for the start of another week?

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  1. 1.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 5:46 am

    what’s on the agenda for the start of another week?

    Sleep, if I’m lucky.

  2. 2.

    Jerzy Russian

    July 11, 2016 at 5:47 am

    Since we don’t have names for those fine fellows pictured above, I shall call them Rufus and Harvey.

  3. 3.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 5:49 am

    Those dogs are ready to GOOOOOO.

  4. 4.

    Keith G

    July 11, 2016 at 5:53 am

    Huggable looking pups giving the camera adorable smiles.

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 5:57 am

    They are the sweetest faces. Am smiling back at them. How can you not?

  6. 6.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 11, 2016 at 6:00 am

    Those are some adorable doggies. Wonderful way to start a new week. Good on the Washington Post for pointing out the obvious. It should be pretty clear to anyone with a brain cell that Trump is not in the same league as Secretary Clinton, and that her so-called unpopularity is a result of decades of Rightwing targeting. His unpopularity is earned.

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 6:03 am

    Good Morning☺, Everyone ?

  8. 8.

    Mary G

    July 11, 2016 at 6:08 am

    Where are we going? Will there be treats there? Such happy faces!

  9. 9.

    raven

    July 11, 2016 at 6:11 am

    Knuckleheads

  10. 10.

    geg6

    July 11, 2016 at 6:11 am

    CUTE PUPPEH FACES!!!!

    Another week of freshman orientation. Joy.

  11. 11.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 6:13 am

    @rikyrah: Sorry to hear about your parked car getting damaged. Hope all turns out OK for you.

    @Patricia Kayden:

    her so-called unpopularity is a result of decades of Rightwing targeting.

    I know. I am so tired of the “Hillary is so unpopular” and “they’re BOTH awful choices” memes. Each is demonstrably not true.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 6:14 am

    Dogs are hamming it up.

    [T]o equate the two candidates as indistinguishably unqualified products of a rigged or failed system only feeds public cynicism while blurring distinctions that should not be blurred.

    Does WaPo not read their own paper?

  13. 13.

    bemused

    July 11, 2016 at 6:17 am

    Too much anxiety to sleep much over night. A good friend is having surgery for hiatal and esophageal hernias this morning and I plan to go sit with the family during. I’m hoping and praying her surgeon has vast experience.

  14. 14.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:20 am

    I’ve been re-scanning some of my slides and negatives, this rescan of a pic from my Yosemite series turned out well(Don’t look at this pic if you’re afraid of heights).

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 6:21 am

    @Mary G: Way late but wanted to say I am glad to see you are OK after your “incident” the other day.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 6:21 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Just one step closer for a better shot.

  17. 17.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:22 am

    @geg6: I visited UCLA last week and the next crop of victims were touring the campus.

  18. 18.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:23 am

    @Baud: One last shot(btw, it’s almost a mile down to the valley floor).

  19. 19.

    Aimai

    July 11, 2016 at 6:24 am

    @Baud: also i hate the way they diminish her time as senator and secretary of state. She “completed four years as secretary of state?” really? She just completed? Didnt do anything?

  20. 20.

    amk

    July 11, 2016 at 6:25 am

    effing wapo built this and now they are crying foul?

  21. 21.

    JPL

    July 11, 2016 at 6:26 am

    Happy dogs!

  22. 22.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 6:26 am

    @Aimai: She was obviously preoccupied in setting up her email server.

    I hear she personally installed her own T-1 line.

  23. 23.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 6:26 am

    @Baud:

    Does WaPo not read their own paper?

    Truly.

    The NY Times has been shark-leaping too. Clinton Derangement Syndrome over there, and “both sides!” headlines, that just serve to normalize Trump.

    I wonder if some of the problem is right-leaning or conventional wisdom/totebagging headline writers, which is all that many readers ever see. (If you’re foiled by the paywall, or not much of a reader, you are not going to see the actual article, which might be a lot more nuanced and informative.)

  24. 24.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 6:30 am

    @Elizabelle: It’s a fair point about headline writers. They are written to draw clicks. Another thing I often see is a nothing story that takes about one sentence to convey, but is surrounded by a lot of background “context” to make it seem like a new development.

  25. 25.

    Arclite

    July 11, 2016 at 6:32 am

    DOGGIES!

    Man, I am not a cat person.

  26. 26.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:33 am

    @Baud: Here’s another rescan(the printed version is hanging in my bathrrom) that’s more “down to earth”: CA State Capitol.

  27. 27.

    Mustang Bobby

    July 11, 2016 at 6:35 am

    @Elizabelle: Maureen Dowd’s column the other day was a study in middle-school projection and mean-widdle-kid syndrome, not to mention Klaxon-horn (as opposed to dog whistle) racism. And she’s considered the counterpoint to Ross Douthat?

  28. 28.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 6:36 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Love the camper pickup.

  29. 29.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 6:37 am

    @Baud:

    a nothing story that takes about one sentence to convey, but is surrounded by a lot of background “context” to make it seem like a new development.

    Drives me nuts.

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 6:38 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Didn’t read it, but you could just imagine what it might be. “The Clinton Contamination.” By “The Dowd Delusion.”

  31. 31.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 6:38 am

    @Baud:
    having performed that miracle myself I’d be impressed if she had installed a T-1 line!

  32. 32.

    Kay

    July 11, 2016 at 6:39 am

    I love that Trump is unpopular because that what his whole thing- he was supposed to be popular. People were supposed to like him. We were told over and over that we did like him. That’s why we had to be subjected to the idiotic, racist birther campaign that launched his political career- we like that! Supposedly.

    It’s like watching an over-hyped product flop and it must kill him a little every day.

  33. 33.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 6:40 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yeah, that’s beautiful. The sky color and the camper add so much to the picture; they ground it, as you say.

  34. 34.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:40 am

    @Baud: Don’t let anyone tell you we’re not all class here in CA.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 6:41 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Who would you say is the best liberal voice at the “even the liberal New York Times”?

  36. 36.

    Mustang Bobby

    July 11, 2016 at 6:42 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: With the camper, that could be a photo out of Steinbeck’s “Travels with Charley.” He named his camper “Rocinante” after Don Quixote’s horse.

  37. 37.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:43 am

    @Elizabelle: The camper was in the pic, the sky color has been “restored”. A lot of the slides and negatives have really badly washed out skies. Sometimes, I have to do a full scale replacement; in this case I was able to do a tinting. The pic was taken pretty close to sunset(I sort of remember(it was taken in 1975) and the lights are on inside the building and in the dome).

  38. 38.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 6:45 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning sunshine! Did you get a rental car?

  39. 39.

    Mustang Bobby

    July 11, 2016 at 6:45 am

    @Baud: Probably Frank Bruni by default, but even he makes me grind my teeth at times.

  40. 40.

    Ian

    July 11, 2016 at 6:45 am

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Don’t read her. For all of our sakes.

  41. 41.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    July 11, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @amk: They have come to the belated realisation that there is real danger for them here. That if things go exactly wrong they will be swept up as part of the system that perpetrated the decades-long long con of the American people.

  42. 42.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Steinbeck was a Californian.

  43. 43.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 6:55 am

    @polyorchnid octopunch: Exactly, Trump has said that he wants to change the libel laws so that he can have a course of action against the press when they treat him “unfairly”.

  44. 44.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 6:56 am

    @Kay:

    It’s like watching an over-hyped product flop and it must kill him a little every day.

    Nah. He believes the hype and just unskews the polls. Come Nov when he loses (Dog willing and the creeks don’t rise) he will just say the election rigged and the system is corrupt.

  45. 45.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 6:56 am

    @Ian:
    No, he can do it and report on it to us then we don’t all have to suffer!

    BTW – that picture reminds me of a “Far Side” cartoon. Captions was “OH BOY! I’m going to the vet to get tutored!”

  46. 46.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 6:57 am

    It is ironic that the Washington Post now has to eat editorially some of the shit that they, starting with David Broder, started and spread around like fertilizer.

  47. 47.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    July 11, 2016 at 6:59 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I suspect they’re rather more concerned about the inevitable counter-reformation that will follow along at some point during a Trump presidency. When things go south, they go south fast, and the people at the major newspapers and news media networks will run a real risk of being destroyed during it.

    Destroyed can mean a whole range of outcomes for the individuals in question, all of them bad.

  48. 48.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:01 am

    @Ian: OK. I did read about three, maybe four paragraphs of the Dowd column. It was all I could get through, it was that whack. Also read several of the top-rated reader comments, and they all excoriate Dowd.

    The NY Times should fire Maureen Dowd. Or give her several months off to pursue mental health counseling. But she should not be writing for them, on their editorial page, as unhinged as she is.

    She and the GOP slime-mongers got compared to Joseph Goebbels in the comments, and not inaccurately.

  49. 49.

    MattF

    July 11, 2016 at 7:01 am

    I do wonder sometimes how the NYT let Krugman have a column (and that blog!). I’m guessing they figured, hey, an Ivy League professor of economics is harmless. Otherwise, their cupboard is pretty bare.

  50. 50.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 7:06 am

    Beautiful happy puppies BTW, Mr.Mack! But what are their names?

  51. 51.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 7:10 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    AS a kid my only experience with California was San Francisco and points north. It wasn’t until 20 years ago that work took me to Central CA and the agricultural plains there that I understood where Steinbeck came from. It changed my vision of his work.

  52. 52.

    germy

    July 11, 2016 at 7:10 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Come Nov when he loses (Dog willing and the creeks don’t rise) he will just say the election rigged and the system is corrupt.

    Where do his followers go? The really rabid ones who show up at the rallies? George Saunders went to some of those events and his description is not pretty.

  53. 53.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 7:10 am

    And can I just say to the WaPo and the Times: too little, too late, so thanks for nothing. They enabled and propagated a lot of the slime that got us where we are today and they just now have decided that maybe it’s time to walk a small bit back. Fuck them.

  54. 54.

    germy

    July 11, 2016 at 7:14 am

    Toles is one of my favorite editorial cartoonists. Today’s cartoon is Trump planning the convention.

  55. 55.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 7:16 am

    Brewster Rocket has a cartoon about comment sections today I believe you all would appreciate
    here

    Toles also hit a home run on the GOP this AM

  56. 56.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 11, 2016 at 7:17 am

    @satby:
    Hey, that slime they foisted on us sold papers, so shut up. They’re just doing their job.

    BTW, Lady Thunder and I smell amazing this morning. Thank you!

  57. 57.

    Betty Cracker

    July 11, 2016 at 7:18 am

    For all its many faults and even though it damns HRC with faint praise and merely states the obvious, the WaPo deserves kudos for that editorial. The public can’t be reminded often enough that Trump launched his political career with the blatantly racist birther bullshit or that even if Trump’s handlers perform the miracle of muzzling him from now until election day, he is still unfit for office.

    PS: Cute doggies!

  58. 58.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:19 am

    @satby: I think the WaPost (especially) and the NY Times have damaged their own brands. They’ve weakened themselves from the inside by practicing “careerist” journalism. Their “view from nowhere” reporting — which is inaccurate in its own way — has helped to normalize really terrible behavior by the Republican party, as it went off the rails, and now Trump.

    We need good and honest newspapers, and the major dailies have fallen so far.

    You can see the NY Times trying to rebrand itself — did you notice the “America Grieves” banner headlines on the website over the weekend? What are they? NBC? People magazine?

  59. 59.

    amk

    July 11, 2016 at 7:20 am

    the last brexiter also quits.

    all the fucking drama for nothing.

  60. 60.

    debbie

    July 11, 2016 at 7:21 am

    @Mustang Bobby:

    You don’t count Kristof?

  61. 61.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 7:21 am

    @amk:

    “Can’t we forget last night ever happened and go back to being friends?”

  62. 62.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 7:22 am

    @germy: Ruby Ridge, ID.

  63. 63.

    Hal

    July 11, 2016 at 7:22 am

    @Elizabelle: Dowd wrote another column 2 or 3 years ago I believe criticizing Obama on something I can’t quite remember, I want to say Sandy Hook, but I do recall the reader comments ripping her to shreds. Every call out with 900 to a 1000+ other readers liking.

  64. 64.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 7:22 am

    @Schlemazel Khan:
    I screwed up the link, this one works here

    and I see germy mentioned Toles before me

  65. 65.

    MomSense

    July 11, 2016 at 7:29 am

    Doggies!!!

    Just listened to NPR do a whole Segment on what kind of First Lady Melania would be. It is to barf.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 7:29 am

    @Elizabelle:

    The best and quickest thing newspapers can do is fire about 90% of their aging columnists and editorial board writers and hire a new crop of younger, more diverse opinionators. Then they can work on harder things like journalism standards.

  67. 67.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:30 am

    @Betty Cracker: Faint kudos.

    I cancelled my WaPost subscription a few months ago; renew it from time, but think “ewww” too often. WaPost still has a few good actual journalists, but I don’t want to support the clickbait and Villager-itis.

    It saddens me. My family subscribed since the late 1960s. As a military brat who loved journalism, it was obvious even as a young preteen how good the paper used to be, in comparison to the other ones out there. (Also, four pages of comics. Good ones. Plus Herblock.)

    I think Rupert Murdoch and the CONservative think tanks are at the root of the death of good journalism. They put so much filth out there, and train those without critical thinking skills to holler “bias!” They pollute the whole ecosystem. Owning and corrupting major media has been a great investment for them.

  68. 68.

    amk

    July 11, 2016 at 7:30 am

    whoever said the trump campaign is youtube comments running for prez is a genius.

  69. 69.

    Kay

    July 11, 2016 at 7:31 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Clinton was never supposed to be likeable The narrative around her was the opposite. We don’t “like” her. Over and over and over- for 25 years. We liked Bill Clinton! He was “charismatic”.

    Trump was supposed to be popular. It’s the one thing he had. An unpopular “populist” is a big problem. Without that he’s got nothing.

  70. 70.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 7:32 am

    @germy:
    You hit it, where do these angry morons go after Drumpf loses? It scares the crap out of me & there is nobody in the GOP or the media that is positioned and interested in talking them down. They will be amped up to 11 and have been threatening us with the “bullet box” bullshit for so long that some of them will just have to believe they can free us all with some great act of revolution.

    Who is going to talk them off the ledge & how do they do it?

  71. 71.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:35 am

    @Baud: I think reporters too.

    Clean the whole house, but hire younger and hungrier reporters who can pass (or know how to research) an exacting history test, based on actual history. With a section on economic principles for reporters. Because the deficit scolds are not accurate, but they get too much deference, and accepting false premises poisons one’s understanding and reporting.

    Some of our problem might be young clickbait content providers (formerly “journalists”, but not that any more, really) who are ignorant of history and the real world.

  72. 72.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:37 am

    @Baud: Also: rotate the reporters, particularly those who report on government.

    Pay them well, but they’re up and out. If they’re that good, they can develop new sources, and apply their skills to different stories and beats.

  73. 73.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 7:39 am

    Mr. Trump is a danger to the republic.

    Say it over. And over. And over.

  74. 74.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 7:40 am

    The dogs above are cute.

  75. 75.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 7:40 am

    @Kay: Hillary is also the most corrupt politician who has never even been indicted much less convicted of anything, but we just know she is corrupt because of all the investigations (that turned up absolutely nothing)(shhhhh…) and look at all that money!

  76. 76.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @Elizabelle:
    Thanks. Hopefully, the adjuster will call to make an appointment today.

  77. 77.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:42 am

    @Kay:

    An unpopular “populist” is a big problem. Without that [Trump]’s got nothing.

    And now his Florida properties are losing land to climate change.

    Mother Jones: The Seas are Rising around Donald Trump.

    Original reporting from The Guardian, which has done some excellent work on climate change.

  78. 78.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 7:42 am

    @Elizabelle:

    And for the love of God, stop making them sleep with Roger Ailes!

  79. 79.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 11, 2016 at 7:42 am

    Rachel Maddow points out that reporters for local newspapers often do a better job than the nationals because they still believe in reporting and don’t need to maintain long term access to Washington insiders.

  80. 80.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @bemused:
    Sending out positive thoughts and prayers into the Universe.

  81. 81.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @Elizabelle:
    The problem is that people have stopped consuming news to get information. The business model is to get clicks to generate revenue and you are not going to do that in the current environment with serious, quality, reporting. Clickbait works, clickbait draws eyeballs, reporting does not. We are a society entertaining ourselves to death. The evening news sucks because all of the channels are chasing the same body of morons, the ones who will reliably tune in and oddly enough they all respond to certain stories & tones so all of the newscasts look alike. It is the same with all the bullshit “reality” shows. They are chasing the largest body of reliable viewers

  82. 82.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    You did warn me. Since I will never do what needs to be done to get a picture like that for myself, I will enjoy yours.?

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:47 am

    @Hal: Makes you wonder if the NY Times is doing that for readership capture, in a perverse way.

    Also, sorry to hear you did not get the job you applied for. (Think that was you?) Hoping something even better comes your way. There may have been some downsides to the job that were not apparent ….

    Schlemazel Khan or Ozark or Ruckus put up some great comments a few weeks back on not getting a job and realizing they’d lucked out. Have to find that thread, because it was funny and encouraging for when things don’t turn out as we hoped.

    Anybody else remember that thread?

  84. 84.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 7:49 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Cool, thank you!

  85. 85.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    July 11, 2016 at 7:50 am

    as even responsible Republicans should be able to recognize.

    I see they left themselves an out…

  86. 86.

    amk

    July 11, 2016 at 7:51 am

    @Baud: tell that to the scots.

  87. 87.

    Baud

    July 11, 2016 at 7:53 am

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): Their mistake was using the plural.

  88. 88.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: The late great Neil Postman.

    wiki: Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business (1985) is a book by educator Neil Postman. The book’s origins lay in a talk Postman gave to the Frankfurt Book Fair in 1984. He was participating in a panel on George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four and the contemporary world. In the introduction to his book, Postman said that the contemporary world was better reflected by Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, whose public was oppressed by their addiction to amusement, than by Orwell’s work, where they were oppressed by state control.

    Gotta put Brave New World on the summer reading list.

  89. 89.

    amk

    July 11, 2016 at 7:59 am

    looks like maggie thatcher redux

  90. 90.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 11, 2016 at 8:02 am

    @rikyrah: That picture was taken when I was 18, and didn’t have the sense to know better.

  91. 91.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 8:06 am

    @Elizabelle: I remember commenting on it, but I have no idea which it was or even what I said.

  92. 92.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 8:06 am

    @Elizabelle:
    I don’t remember that exact thread but know what I would say. I didn’t get some “great jobs” I really wanted only to find out later the job sucked & I was lucky to have been passed over. The last consulting company I worked for looked like an ideal place but it turned into such a crappy place that I was glad to leave. Don’t get too hung up on one job, just keep plugging away.

    I should add I have had a couple of great jobs with great companies & they never lasted. One got bought out & destroyed and the other have a big management change over & went to hell. I believe the good times can’t last but that may just be me.

  93. 93.

    low-tech cyclist

    July 11, 2016 at 8:07 am

    @satby:

    And can I just say to the WaPo and the Times: too little, too late, so thanks for nothing. They enabled and propagated a lot of the slime that got us where we are today and they just now have decided that maybe it’s time to walk a small bit back. Fuck them.

    Yeah, this. My attitude is less ‘kudos to the WaPo’ (sorry, Betty!) and more ‘the GOP finally nominated a candidate so awful, he broke the False Equivalence Meter.’

    At least, for the length of one editorial. Because I doubt this will change the overall tone of the reporting by the WaPo, the NYT, and other MSM outlets. I would bet serious money that anyone who scans the headlines and the ledes, or watches the NBC, ABC, or CBS news between now and November 8, will still come away with a sense that they’re two equally tarnished candidates.

    And yeah, both the WaPo and NYT editorial and op-ed pages would benefit from firing everyone and starting over. They’re both like tenured faculty at a third-rate small college.

  94. 94.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 8:08 am

    @Kay:
    And, how can we dare take offense at what he said. How dare we not fawn over him like the rubes at his Klan rallies?

  95. 95.

    debbie

    July 11, 2016 at 8:08 am

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    You hit it, where do these angry morons go after Drumpf loses?

    They will probably keep trying to do what they’re trying to talk about doing now: Form a third party.

  96. 96.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 8:09 am

    @satby:
    Waiting for that call too.?

  97. 97.

    Reggie Mantle

    July 11, 2016 at 8:09 am

    @Elizabelle:

    The NY Times should fire Maureen Dowd. Or give her several months off to pursue mental health counseling. But she should not be writing for them, on their editorial page, as unhinged as she is.

    She refers to Bill Clinton in the piece as “The Arkansas Devil.” That’s Breitbart-comment-section level crazy.

  98. 98.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 11, 2016 at 8:10 am

    Can we keep Gene Robinson?

  99. 99.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 8:12 am

    @debbie:
    from your lips to His noodly appendage. I am afraid some may not take it so well.

  100. 100.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 8:20 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: Yeah, a small but rabid percentage will decide it’s time to water that tree, but with the blood of others.

  101. 101.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 8:20 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: “If it’s too good to be true, it isn’t.” can be amended to “If it’s too good to be true, it’s too good to last” and applies to every job I’ve ever had

  102. 102.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 8:26 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Not voting Gene Robinson off the island.

    But he’s pretty much the fig leaf for the rest of the idiocy that has overtaken that paper.

    They need to rid themselves of Fred Hyatt and his batch of torture apologist misfits/Bush administration retreads.

  103. 103.

    raven

    July 11, 2016 at 8:27 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: If I make it one more year I will have had a really good 20 year gig.

  104. 104.

    Poopyman

    July 11, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @Kay:

    It’s like watching an over-hyped product flop and it must kill him a little every day.

    Not nearly fast enough.

  105. 105.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Like so much else I find that depressing. Here is the story of my current job
    It was not one most people would view as a great job but the truth is it was a huge job with lots of possibilities once you saw the inside. My immediate supervisor is a total incompetent, he hides in his office all day & never talks to the workers. He is scared to death of confrontation so will not fight for us when other groups refuse to cooperate. He is incapable of making a decision on ANYTHING and never follows through on commitments. Sounds horrible & in some ways it was but his hiding and doing nothing allowed me to do whatever I wanted so I fought the bureaucracy, made allies with folks who wanted to make things better and was really getting things done. Things were getting better until we got hacked (I am under an NDA but can tell you the cause & the damage were all caused by people doing things prohibited; against our policy but allowed by higher ups) and the executives decided we need hundreds (no, that is not an exaggeration) of contractors from one of the beltway lampreys. Now they run the show, they have no clue but have to dictate what gets done and how we must do it. The problem is most are fresh out of college & are only competent to make power point presentations to hide the lack of progress & make it look like things are getting done. What was once a nice job where I was making a positive difference has become a nightmare of reporting and meetings with no real work getting done & mindless activity replacing progress.

  106. 106.

    MomSense

    July 11, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @Elizabelle:

    No but I would love to read it as I’m in the process of changing my resume to appear younger as I have been advised to do.

  107. 107.

    Mr. Mack

    July 11, 2016 at 8:39 am

    Was away from my computer yesterday. The dogs are named Cookie (right) and Georgia, (left) They are my constant companions here on the farm. They appreciate the compliments!

  108. 108.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 8:45 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: huh, I bet I can guess which company.

  109. 109.

    gogol's wife

    July 11, 2016 at 8:48 am

    @Mr. Mack:

    Cuties to the max!

  110. 110.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 11, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @raven: You lucky bastid. ;-)

    @Schlemazel Khan: Never had a job that didn’t have both good and bad in it. I once worked for a guy who had small man syndrome and made everything an absolute misery when ever he was on the job site. Fortunately, that was only once or twice a week and I was other wise left alone to do my job and as long as I hung enuf drywall properly, nobody cared.

    I got laid off from that one because my mother was having open heart surgery and I had asked for some flexibility so I could help take care of my Alzheimered father. My foreman said, “Don’t worry, you’ll be back in a week or 2.” I replied, “No I won’t.” It was just as well, we never could have managed my father without at least one full time care giver, and because I got laid off I was able to collect unemployment.

  111. 111.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 8:52 am

    @MomSense: sign up for a free account at the Ladders job posting website, they have a tool that lets you run your resume through a simulation of how an automated resume screening tool would classify and extract info for HR. Since any large company uses them, it’s helpful to see how it classifies you. Whirlpool thinks I’m an entry level engineer based on their crappy tool, and other companies apparently were under the impression that I was a nurse, based on the words “American Red Cross” as one of my assigned accounts.
    Making it somewhat less mysterious as to why I wasn’t even getting interviews. You can refine and check as much as you want.

  112. 112.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @satby:
    Having been a consultant for 20 years at companies large & small I can assure you that I have seen all these behaviors in every sufficiently large place. There are unique features but then again there always are.

  113. 113.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @Mr. Mack: Good names, they fit those precious faces!

  114. 114.

    Elizabelle

    July 11, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @MomSense: I will try to find it and post it, here on on another thread.

    Good luck to you. Anyone would be lucky to have you work for them. Too bad the damn computer algorithms don’t always pick that up.

    New thread up, by Richard. Sounds like copacetic behavior between Clinton and Sanders campaigns.

    Yeehaw!

  115. 115.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 8:55 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: But the scourge of PP meetings is universal ;)

  116. 116.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 8:55 am

    @satby:
    That is a very cool tool! Wish it had been available while I was actively looking though I may use it anyway. Thanks for pointing it out

  117. 117.

    Kathleen

    July 11, 2016 at 8:58 am

    @Elizabelle: I refer to her as St. MoDo, Patron Saint of Perpetual Petulance.

  118. 118.

    satby

    July 11, 2016 at 9:01 am

    @Schlemazel Khan: Yeah, it helped me get my resume to a point where the algorithms at least now recognize me as a (former) mid level service delivery manager.

    (I assume the keywords “business processes engineering” are why Whirlpool still sends me notifications to apply for junior engineer openings. I’d yank my resume, but I forgot my logon details.)

    I also hate that every freaking company wants you to create an account just to apply for a job.

  119. 119.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 9:01 am

    @satby:
    The inventor of power point should be forced to sit through BS meetings 40 hours a week for all eternity. The children we are getting from . . . well, lets give them a made up name . . . ‘Toilet and Douche’ . . . are really good at dazzling presentations the hide the fact nothing is getting done while appearing to be making progress.

  120. 120.

    Schlemazel Khan

    July 11, 2016 at 9:03 am

    I am traveling today to a remote pointless meeting so I have time to whine on BJ!

  121. 121.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 11, 2016 at 9:13 am

    @Kay:

    Clinton was never supposed to be likeable The narrative around her was the opposite. We don’t “like” her. Over and over and over- for 25 years. We liked Bill Clinton! He was “charismatic”.

    Even when Bill was President, it was Hillary who got the rawest, most unfiltered hate. I think it really is a handicap in this election, but I have to admit, it’s also part of the reason a part of me has always wanted to see her elected President. I want to cram it down their throats.

    What worries me is the people who were never really in the right-wing information bubble, but who have absorbed enough of this osmotically that they say things like “I just don’t like her and I can’t put my finger on why.”

  122. 122.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 11, 2016 at 9:14 am

    @satby:

    huh, I bet I can guess which company.

    All of them, Katie.

  123. 123.

    Cat48

    July 11, 2016 at 9:16 am

    BJers have happy pets. The puppies appear to be smiling for their photo. :)

  124. 124.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 9:19 am

    @Kay:

    Trump was supposed to be popular. It’s the one thing he had. An unpopular “populist” is a big problem. Without that he’s got nothing.

    He was popular with one big chunk of the Republican Party.And, what it took to appeal to THEM would REPULSE the rest of the country.

    Oh well.

  125. 125.

    rikyrah

    July 11, 2016 at 9:20 am

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    You hit it, where do these angry morons go after Drumpf loses? It scares the crap out of me & there is nobody in the GOP or the media that is positioned and interested in talking them down.

    Let them scare you. They don’t scare me. They been coddled enough already.

  126. 126.

    MomSense

    July 11, 2016 at 9:21 am

    @satby:

    Ooh, great tip. Thanks. Now you don’t just send out a million resumes, you have to edit each one to incorporate all the bullshit language. I can’t figure out what some of these phrases actually mean. Then there are the job postings that tell me this company has a hard time keeping the person they hire for that job. And now I have a gazillion accounts with every different potential employer.

    I should probably just stage “meet cutes” with the HR people in the parking lots outside their buildings. Would that make me a stalker?

  127. 127.

    Miss Bianca

    July 11, 2016 at 9:21 am

    Awww, such cute doggies…”Adventure box!! We’re ridin’ in adventure box!!”

    Democratic Party Central Committee meeting this afternoon, and watching the fire that is coming over the mountain, be on the agenda for today.

  128. 128.

    Mr. Mack

    July 11, 2016 at 9:38 am

    @Miss Bianca: Adventure box. Heh. Using that.

  129. 129.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 11, 2016 at 10:25 am

    @satby:

    It is ironic that the Washington Post now has to eat editorially some of the shit that they, starting with David Broder, started and spread around like fertilizer.

    When nightshade, hemlock, belladonna, etc. have been allowed to crowd edible plants out of the garden (if not deliberately emplanted to displace them), then fertilized dirt is what’s for supper. Eat it, WaPo!

  130. 130.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    July 11, 2016 at 11:12 am

    Bartow Public Library is a PokeStop – sadly, not a Gym – but I have no idea what that means.

    Are we a store, nexus of power/evolution, or something else?

  131. 131.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    July 11, 2016 at 11:15 am

    Holy sheet, kids!

    Today is the anniversary of the Hamilton-Burr duel!

    Quick! Play that bit from the musical!

  132. 132.

    Hal

    July 11, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    @Elizabelle: Thanks. I remember that thread. I think I’m just butt hurt because I’ve never been turned down for a job I actually interviewed for before in my life. My guess is they already had someone in mind because the description was sparse. Interview went great, I thought, and they seemed impressed with what I knew and what I did in that same role at another hospital. Oh well. I took a day of and will just start looking again.

  133. 133.

    Miss Bianca

    July 11, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    @Hal: You’re lucky – I’ve been turned down a number of times for jobs I interviewed for. Keep on truckin’, say I.

  134. 134.

    leeleeFL

    July 11, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: I haven’t bothered with MoDo in so long, I was surprised she still had a gig. Hating the Clintons was bad enough, but the nastiness about President Obama just ended any support for her. Ross Douthat should sue whoever compared them. He sucks, but honestly, if that makes sense.

  135. 135.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    July 11, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    @Baud:

    Krugman. Gail Collins is good too.

  136. 136.

    Paul in KY

    July 12, 2016 at 8:00 am

    @Mr. Mack: Very, very cute dogs!

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