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Michael E. Miller, in the Washington Post: “‘Graceful in the lion’s den’: Photo of young woman’s arrest in Baton Rouge becomes powerful symbol” —
… Jonathan Bachman was snapping pictures of protesters yelling at the officers when he turned and saw her.
The woman in the summer dress didn’t seem to look at the two officers as they ran toward her. Instead, she seemed to look beyond them — even as they arrested her.
“She just stood there and made her stand,” the Reuters photographer told BuzzFeed. “I was just happy to be able to capture something like that.”…
The young woman’s stoic pose drew comparisons to Rosa Parks’s refusing to give up a seat on a segregated bus or “tank man” facing down war machines in Tiananmen Square. Some likened her to a modern-day Statue of Liberty, guiding a bitterly divided country back toward the proper path…
Within hours of the photo’s publication, news outlets, activists and the Internet itself were working overtime to figure out who she was. The Atlantic and the BBC both asked readers for help.
After activist and New York Daily News writer Shaun King posted the photo to Facebook, several self-identified friends and family members identified her as Ieshia Evans.
“To see all of the comments under this post shows me that my cousin did not make a mistake by going out there and standing up for her rights and what she believes in,” wrote Nikka Thomas. “I’m proud to call you my family Ieshia.”…
Messages posted to [Evans’ Facebook] account Sunday evening also appeared to confirm Evans is the woman in the iconic photo.
“I just need you people to know. I appreciate the well wishes and love, but this is the work of God. I am a vessel! Glory to the most high! I’m glad I’m alive and safe. And that there were no casualties that I have witnessed first hand,” read a message posted at 11:53 p.m. Eastern time Sunday…
“To all of my friends and acquaintances please don’t do any interviews about me,” said a post two hours later. “If they want my story, I am here. I would like the opportunity to represent myself! Thank you. Peace, love, blk power! #blacklivesmatter.”…
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President Obama is scheduled to speak at the Dallas memorial service, starting at about 12:30pm CDT. I assume that the service will be livestreamed, and that another frontpager will be awake to share it here.
In other political news, Senator Sanders will appear with Hillary Clinton in Portsmouth, NH this morning. He’s expected to endorse her, per CNN:
… Tuesday’s endorsement will help Clinton “enormously,” said former Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank, a Clinton supporter who co-chairs the party’s Rules Committee.
“I’m assuming that he is not just going to say ‘I endorse her,’ but explain to many of those that voted for him why given the values that he’s stood for, voting for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump is obviously the thing to do,” Frank said…
This is not necessarily sitting well with some of the Senator’s most fervent supporters…
Folks in NH. Be aware of efforts to disrupt event tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/ULctHQ4XrW
— George D. (@xdelmar59) July 11, 2016
Safe to say r/SandersForPresident is not amused by @BernieSanders endorsing @HillaryClinton pic.twitter.com/QvtvKk2KzH
— Emily Cahn (@CahnEmily) July 11, 2016
Another Holocene Human
Wondering what a bunch of internet ne’erdowells, scattered around creation (Australia, etc) are supposed to do to disrupt a rally in NH with only a few hours’ notice.
OzarkHillbilly
I think it’s safe to say nobody here will be amused by r/SandersForPresident.
Way to bigfoot you’re own post Anne ;-)
Schlemazel Khan
@Another Holocene Human:
Never underestimate the power of stupid people working in groups
Schlemazel Khan
My thought on the photo when I saw it:
Hey! They are making a Broadway musical of Star Wars! The storm troopers outfits are kind lame but their dancing looks pretty good.
TriassicSands
Theresa May — another austerity-loving right winger.
rikyrah
Well well. ..
Good Morning ?, Everyone again☺
CarolDuhart2
A Possible Dallas Live Stream
Poor Bernie or Busters. It’s over until 2024 (I hope). But if this is about principles rather than personalities, can we haz new leadership?
robert thompson
I am sure it has been said before and said better but that iconic photo gives me ambiguous thoughts; she is a noble person doing a noble thing and at the same time I am ashamed to have this photograph go out to the world explicitly showing just how F’d up this country is with our original sin still holding us down. Jeez I would hate to be an American tourist in Europe or Japan right now.
OzarkHillbilly
As powerful an image as the pic of Iesha Evans is, I want to direct people to this 2nd Jonathon Bachman photo from the Baton Rouge protests. The eyes have it.
satby
Good morning all. Looks to be another hot day here, and Michigan is experiencing “abnormally dry” conditions. The farm fields around are pretty stressed, especially the crops that went in late, if they aren’t irrigated.
The update on that courthouse shooting is here.
44 year old white guy, multiple felony charges, not cuffed apparently grabbed a gun from one of the dead bailiffs and tried to escape. Had he been a black guy from the sister town across the river he would have been cuffed, I imagine. One of the pending charges was domestic violence.
JGabriel
OT.
I can’t say I’m a fan of Jamie Dimon or JP Morgan Chase – I pretty much loathe them both – but kudos to them for this:
More at the link.
Another Holocene Human
@Schlemazel Khan: Seems like it would be more on the order of herding cats. Purity progs being so pure and all.
OzarkHillbilly
@robert thompson: That photo makes me proud to be an American. How many places are there in the world where not only would she have been beaten/raped/killed, but the photographer would have had his camera taken from him and the image destroyed before anyone had seen it, and he then would have been beaten/raped/killed? America is far from perfect (what place in the world is?) but we don’t hide our ugliness and the grace and courage that some face it with are… A thing of beauty to behold.
robert thompson
@OzarkHillbilly: Saw that one earlier as well. Those eyes are judging our entire political/social/economic system and we have been found wanting. Good God what the rest of the world must think of us.
JGabriel
@robert thompson:
I can’t help but marvel at how beautiful she is, and how cowardly her impending captors – the Baton Rouge police – appear in comparison.
Another Holocene Human
@JGabriel: I hate the “benefits in lieu of wages” gambit. Unless that was literally bargained for, it’s bullshit. Also, it usually covers employee only, thus taking that employee’s whole family out of the Exchange and actually costing them more than just taking cash and having no insurance. Granted, Fortune 500 med plans are much better than anything on the exchange, but does a broke person facing foreclosure/can’t pay rent care? Nice of him to wake up and realize that bank tellers need to eat too or they’ll switch job to bus driver or whatever. At least the cash handling part will be familiar. Also the kooky clients.
Baud
@CarolDuhart2: They’ll launch a primary challenge in 2020.
Another Holocene Human
@OzarkHillbilly: To me it’s more the Baton Rouge PD don’t know what they’re doing. Another PD would have gone after cameras more aggressively, another PD would have ignored a calm, unarmed person in the first place.
This is the same city that had three serial killers operating at the same time while the cops sat around with their thumbs up their butts.
Another Holocene Human
@OzarkHillbilly: Does that cop have a knee on his head?
Those eyes remind me of Falcon from Avengers. Avengers/Cap movies have been talking about race, but this is a reminder even those Nick Fury scenes were pulling their punches.
robert thompson
@OzarkHillbilly: Truly. Though I think this never ending stain is in the back of many minds and it gives lie to our rhetoric. In this connected world we cannot get away with this duplicity any more. Pride yes. There hasn’t been a Tianemen Square here and hopefully we will be spared that. I see our current time as very similar to November 1860. I only hope we escape repeating that disaster.
Another Holocene Human
@OzarkHillbilly: Hmm, don’t be so fast. I am reminded of Kirk in The Trouble With Tribbles: No, it is YOU I take lightly.
r/SandersDeadenders sounds like a barrel of lulz to me
JGabriel
@TriassicSands:
In other words, another Tory.
Another Holocene Human
@Baud: They’ll call it Hindsight is 20-20 because nobody would be progressive enough not to disappoint a true unicorn humping purity prog.
robert thompson
@JGabriel: Yes. The posture is calm but proud and the long flowing dress makes the image a classical Greek statue rivaled. There is also that action/inaction thing and something not tangible that will put this image in future textbooks as long as they are not from Texas.
Another Holocene Human
My new favorite song. Good way to start of the morning right:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCc61z9IFu4
Pata Pata Song
OzarkHillbilly
@Another Holocene Human: They are the same PD that sent a “fugitive apprehension team” for my son after he missed a court date he was not notified of for a traffic offense.
JGabriel
@Another Holocene Human:
I’m not saying it’s perfect. But the raise is significant, if still not enough, and it’s a start at a time when most companies and capitalists aren’t even willing to do that much.
robert thompson
@OzarkHillbilly: Good Lord. Thats a real wise use of taxpayer money. It reminds me of some firefighters long ago who claimed they would set small grass fires just for the overtime. I have no idea if they really did. Though we seemed to have a small vacant lot or field go up in flame now and then. Hoe did your son make out?
OzarkHillbilly
@Another Holocene Human:
Yes. Standard police practice when apprehending an “uncooperative suspect”. In quotes because the definition of ‘uncooperative’ changes from one situation to another.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@OzarkHillbilly:
That’s the kind of bullshit power game that turns citizens against the police and accomplishes nothing.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@robert thompson: We had an arson investigator here in Glendale that was setting fires, one fire he set ended up killing a guy. The arson investigator ended up in The Big House for life.
sherparick
@Another Holocene Human: Actually, the number is 5 serial killers, although it is never easy to solve such crimes. http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/five-serial-killers-have-claimed-almost-70-victims-from-baton-rouge-area-louisiana/news-story/92a3fe9819755cc25f9f17a4072be803 It is far easier to put on a display of militarized policing to intimidate unhappy the part of the population.
They do seem to gone full “Bull Conner,” in which they are being cheered on by the all the wonderful folks at Fox News and right-wing radio, something that did not exist in 1963 Birmingham (right-wing newspapers and pamphlets having mostly a local, not national effect.)
bystander
@Another Holocene Human:
That particular crew are the masters of inflating the value of the benefits, too.
?BillinGlendaleCA
Being that AL bigfooted her last post…
A Photo Album documenting my journey on Friday, The Getty & UCLA. There be infrared in this set.
Matt McIrvin
@OzarkHillbilly:
All of these things do happen here; it was only a matter of luck that none of this happened at that moment.
robert thompson
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Yikes. These individuals were not endangering human lives but it must of been murder for gophers and ground squirrels. Led me to thinking that maybe hero worship was not appropriate for the legendary view citizens held them in.
Ultraviolet Thunder
Baton Rouge PD released an account of the shooting incident that strongly conflicts with that of the convenience store owner witness. Also they detained him, swiped his phone and confiscated his video security system without warrants. I think they’re in for a rough time. Countdown to smearing the witness started now.
Kay
@Another Holocene Human:
I hate the “giving employees a raise”. His employees earn their pay. He’s not “giving” them anything. Nowhere in that piece is that mentioned. I don’t know when we started talking like this, like (lower tier) wages are a charitable donation. If they should be grateful he’s “giving” them a raise then he should be grateful their efforts made it possible for the board to “give” him his giant ever-increasing compensation package. Either it’s charitable donations for all employees or they’re all earning their pay.
robert thompson
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice. Have yet to visit the Getty. Beautiful place. Always wanted to go but I am pretty far south of it. You must either be up very early or up very late.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@robert thompson: Here’s the Wikipedia on the guy here in Glendale..
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Very nice.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@robert thompson: Up late as usual, though headed to the bed chamber now. I’m going to try to get pic of the Shuttle, Chinatown and a few other places around DTLA later today.
robert thompson
@?BillinGlendaleCA: It was exaclty the southern San Joaquin Valley is was referring to. Basically the same time as the fires in the Bkfd locale. I wonder. Could have been I suppose. Get some sleep.
rikyrah
@satby:
When I didn’t immediately see a mug shot, I assumed that he was White. After all, he had been arrested, so a mug shot was readily available.
Kay
@Another Holocene Human:
It’s been interesting to watch the last couple of years, how concern about income inequality has kind of trickled UP. It’s a hot topic. There’s this concern about “unrest” – the angry mob storming the Aspen Ideas Festival :)
A lot of hand-wringing from people like Bloomberg or Dimon or Larry Summers- “what should we DO with..these people?” It’s like they have to cheerlead, “rebrand”- sell the idea of the “basic bargain” (work hard, get ahead) all over again.
Baud
@satby: They were saying on the news this morning that he was cuffed.
robert thompson
@Kay: It is a gift. Noblesse oblige perhaps cuz while low pay inspires workers to work harder and thus advance, high salaries and golden parachutes are obligatory to attract the best CEO talent dontcha know.
OzarkHillbilly
@robert thompson:
America has long been living with this thing we call ‘racial injustice’ and the world has been well aware of it since at least the 50’s. And yes they like to bash us over the head with it because it certainly does stand in opposition to much of our rhetoric, but neither racism nor hypocrisy are uniquely American traits as shown by so much of Europe’s reaction to the refugee crises these past few months. At times like this, when we are not allowed to pretend that all is well in Majic Rainbow Farting Pony Land but forced to face the ugliness that underlies so much of our society, I have renewed hope that maybe this time we will get it right. More than likely we will just get it more right than it had been, and then go back to pretending that all is well again.
@robert thompson: Meh. My son was laughing about it by the time he told me of it. No real big deal. Just funny (and if he had been black it probably would have turned out far different). Up here a bench warrant would have been issued. Of course, up here at the very least they would have notified him and his attorney of the court date.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Keep on telling THE TRUTH Kay.
And, I will say it again, I wish that you would front page some of the latest wage issues, from the latest victory at the SC, to other stuff that I know you know, and we sit here clueless.
SFAW
@rikyrah:
Did you sleep in this morning? Kinda late for you!
Kidding! Kidding!
rikyrah
@Kay:
Poor babies. ….what will they do with the serfs?
Mr Stagger Lee
@OzarkHillbilly: Just like that famous picture of the young man in front of a tank in Tienninem (sp) Square. Oh BTW don’t you like the Baton Rouge cops showing their @ss! Arresting people on private property at an invitation of the owner to protest.
robert thompson
@Kay: A good and slim book by James K. Galbraith,”Created Unequal , The Crisis In American Pay” on the inequality subject. Perhaps a bit dated. Was printed in 1998. But very concisely predicted the situation we have now. If you can check it out.
Patricia Kayden
@Matt McIrvin: True. Photographers at Ferguson demonstrations were routinely harassed and arrested by the police.
debbie
@satby:
My local news this morning had an interview with the wife who defended him and his actions during his escape, saying people “don’t know what happened.” Can’t believe she’s still defending him (domestic violence being part of his issues).
I wish I had Leshia’s posture.
Kay
@robert thompson:
I think it’s great he’s investing in training employees, but honestly, he’s supposed to train his employees. It’s not like some other entity dropped the ball on training his employee to go from teller to assistant manager. The default is “he trains his employees”. It’s a cost of doing business. We’re not shipping worker- units from schools where he can open a box and plug them in. That was never the deal, not 50 or a 100 years ago and not now.
rikyrah
@SFAW:
No, I was up. Put the Morning greeting also in the last thread.
robert thompson
@OzarkHillbilly: Yes you are right. I just have to hate that nothing will be done at all until that generation of white haters passes away. And even then it will still be a problem but hopefully not as bad. One can hope anyway.
Good that your son escaped what could have been a $100 beatdown for a buck-fifty crime. That kinda stuff erodes respect for LEOs.
By the way do you know where West Fork, AR is?
SFAW
@Kay:
Oh, Kay, Kay, Kay (sighs resignedly),
Haven’t you learned that ANY monies provided to the Takers of the world — you know, the ones who are not the Jaaahb Creators — are given solely because the Makers (a/k/a Jaaahb Creators) are kind-hearted and charitable soles? And that the Makers would make their gazillions no matter what the Takers did to “earn” that money, because the Makers have the divine right to have …
… ahh, screw it. My fingers are throwing up from typing that bullshit.
satby
@rikyrah: exactly.
robert thompson
@Kay: I forget who said it, but company owners and the hierarchy are some of the meanest SOBs on earth. They want trained and ready robots and yeah our educational system was never designed for that purpose. It was designed to manufacture an educated and intelligent electorate. We mostly failed on that one too.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@OzarkHillbilly: Isn’t that the truth – it’s painful to look at that one. And the contrast between the elegance of the iconic stormtroopers-charging-calm-woman and the raw grit of the face of the man with a knee on his head is stunning. Not striking, but for me, stunning. The eyes in the second photo seem to dare the world to look at the image and not away from it.
satby
@Baud: The linked article quoting the sheriff stated he wasn’t. The county’s attorney would have had a fit about him saying it in a presser, so they may be walking it back, or he may have been cuffed after all. I’m not sure who I believe, but I wouldn’t put odds on him being cuffed. The good old boy club is strong here.
OzarkHillbilly
@Matt McIrvin:
Sorry, but I am going to call bull hockey on that. It may happen here from time to time, but we are not China, or the Ukraine, or Somalia etc. Not even the King of Maricopa County can hide his abuses of power. We were reading about them long before the Feds got involved.
Kay
@robert thompson:
Unemployment is actually, legitimately really low in my little corner of the world right now. It’s a good environment for lower wage workers. They have a little leverage. We have billboards for hiring at some of the larger companies. They need people. It’s nice because I feel like we get out of the whole “charitable donation to the underclass” mode and onto more of a transaction basis.
Baud
@Mr Stagger Lee: Saw that last night. Did the police even say why they were arresting people?
Iowa Old Lady
To my surprise, there’s a special city council election today. Just in my ward though. I can’t imagine how small the turnout will be.
Also, anyone asking why posters here still gripe about Sanders supporters should consult that cry for help in NH.
satby
@debbie: yeah, she was quoted last night too. She sounds like an idiot.
OzarkHillbilly
@Mr Stagger Lee: Baton Rouge is about to get the Ferguson treatment from the Justice Department.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@rikyrah: That was my thought exactly. Face not pasted at the top of every story? White guy. “[who] panicked because he couldn’t cope with going to prison and never seeing his family again.” <– rough paraphrase of what I read his ex-wife speculated for motive.
SFAW
@Baud:
“Because we can. You gotta problem with that? You do? [calling to fellow peace officer] Hey Joe! We got another uncooperative individual here! C’mon over and help me pacify him!”
Patricia Kayden
N.C. passes law making it harder for the public to access police videos. In light of events of last week, this is horrific and should be challenged.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/north-carolina-public-police-camera-videos-40501565
robert thompson
@Kay: Exactly. I trade my time and skill for your money. The firm is not my mother nor is it my overseer. All the BS about happy working teams makes me ill. It is just a polite cover for “the beatings will continue until morale improves”
Kay
@Iowa Old Lady:
Isn’t it cherry-picking though? It feels exactly like the PUMA panic in ’08, except magnified by the addition of Twitter. The polling looks like the Democratic Party is as united as it ever is- it’s always disunited. The entire organization is a constant, endless negotiation. It’s a coalition Party- it’s always been”put this group together with this group and hope it adds up to something coherent”.
satby
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): pending charges included kidnapping, sexual assault, and domestic violence, enhanced because he maybe used a gun. I think this might have been the conviction that sent him away for life. Dude had a lot of kids and a few grandkids already at age 45, wonder if the kidnapping and DV was a different family member than the wife. He was a total loser all around.
But a white guy, and I’m relieved because they don’t need more excuses to be abusive to black folks around here.
OzarkHillbilly
@Patricia Kayden: Any of them arrested and have their camera’s confiscated with the pictures stripped from them when returned? No. As bad as Ferguson was, it is nothing compared to say Egypt where newsmen are put on trial for printing inconvenient truths.
Iowa Old Lady
@Kay: I ordinarily ignore a lot of outraged cries because they are just nutpicking, and you can always find the crazy if you look for it. The NH stuff annoys me more than usual because we’re trying to elect a sane president and they seem indifferent to that goal. I suppose it’s undemocratic (and un-Democratic) of me to object to dissenters. They’re just on my last nerve.
OzarkHillbilly
@robert thompson:
I do now. :-) A buddy of mine is a geology prof at U of A, but I don’t have much call to get in the Fayetteville neighborhood.
sunny raines
@Schlemazel Khan: my thought on seeing the photo: Tienanmen Square.
Another Holocene Human
@OzarkHillbilly: Lord. Sorry to hear it.
robert thompson
@OzarkHillbilly: Then your friend must be in heavan. The Bostons are a geologists play ground. I have familial roots near West Fork, before you get to Bug Scuffle and a little south of Hogeye. No I am not making this up.
sunny raines
@Kay:
diversity may be messy, but is also the key strength and virtue.
Another Holocene Human
@sherparick: They aren’t easy because the participants aren’t hanging around at the crime scene in their skivvies with blood spattered all over them like with some kinds of murders, but don’t make the mistake that these guys were super geniuses either. With one guy, the victims were gay so the police didn’t aggressively follow up on the leads they had. In another case, a victim survived and they finally had a lead on the guy but he had been really sloppy up until then … we’re not talking about Ted Bundy here. You know, serial killers don’t become serial if they’re caught after the first murder. Just sayin’. And gangland killings are hard to solve too yet some cities are good at investigating them and others have given up (cough Miami cough). Usually serial killers are lone wolves who don’t go around intimidating witnesses because they’re too chaotic and impulsive to even think that far ahead, but gangland killers do.
Another Holocene Human
@efgoldman:
Trying hard and failing is inferior to pretending you’re above the game.
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW: Overheard at a **riot** in S St Louis:
“You can’t do this! I have rights!”
“You have the right to do what I tell you!”
** There wasn’t a riot until the cops moved in. I got the heebeejeebies and got out just before the shit hit the fan, the quote comes from a newspaper article.
satby
So my high school buddy the journalist has a post of FB up linking to a Politico hit piece on Hillary Clinton’s ” Press conference phobia” where he notes in answer to someone that Clinton “hasn’t held a news conference since December, and that’s not a profile in courage”.
When I linked to the Vox interview, I was told that one on one interviews “are a different skill (paraphrasing)”.
And he’s a relatively good guy. The CDS is just so embedded into the media it’s reflexive.
Another Holocene Human
@Kay:
Not training employees perpetuates all white management.
Baud
@Kay: If you can’t complain about them, you can’t complain about the people who complain about them, IMHO.
@satby: I know that all the anti-Hillary stuff is expected and I should ignore it, but it’s getting on my nerves. I don’t want to be in a position where we’re swiftboated and didn’t do anything to counter it.
El Caganer
@OzarkHillbilly: Police just doing what they’re hired to do.
http://libcom.org/history/origins-police-david-whitehouse
Another Holocene Human
@Kay: Hear, hear.
Lurker Extraordinaire
@Ultraviolet Thunder: And the witness is possibly Muslim/has a Muslim sounding name, so…..yeah, that guy is at risk already.
As for Ms. Evans, she looks like a queen. But the person who owns those eyes…..I hope they are okay.
Baud
@Another Holocene Human:
OzarkHillbilly
@robert thompson:
I know you aren’t. AR is full of great town names like Oil Trough (the history is they would bring bears out of the mountains and render their fat for oil) or Big Flat (where a buddy of mine wanted to open up a tire and auto shop, he was going to call it ‘Big Flat Tire’) My friend is a karst geologist so he spends most of his time in the northern part AR. But yes, AR is a wonderland for geologists. I almost moved down there.
Patricia Kayden
@satby: So he’s okay with Trump banning media outlets which criticize him and his campaign (and even hinted that he wants to change the First Amendment) but has a problem with Secretary Clinton not doing a press conference for a few months? Alrighty then.
http://www.alternet.org/donald-trumps-war-first-amendment
Cat48
Sanders irritation is a normal state and I think he enjoys annoying people. Yesterday, we learned early that today would be the delayed concession/endorsement. Late, but whatever.
Five hours later Comic Guy Weaver is on TV stating he’s not at all sure there will be an endorsement at the rally bc? So whatever. I’m not sure she needs his pissy endorsement and all that might bring. They should be disappeared until the election is over. Just my preferred solution as Im fully aware it’s not happening.
satby
@Baud: For me, and I argue this all the time with him, it’s the constant subtle negativity implicit in articles like the one he quotes and expands on. His focus, at least on his FB page, is on stuff like this. He leaves unexplained why a press conference is superior to individual interviews and how that would factor into the actual performance of the duties of the presidency. It’s all about the style and access and what the press thinks about the candidate’s communications; nothing about how any of that affects actual governing, what the policies and their outcomes are, any context of why Hillary and Obama before her might consider pressers a complete waste of time.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: It’s all about memes. If they didn’t focus on the press conference meme, there would be another meme they would focus on. How long have we been hearing about teleprompters?
satby
@Patricia Kayden: according to him and some of his fellow media members, Trump is a dumpster fire and there’s no point in holding him to the same standard as Clinton.
That’s a paraphrase of a response I got once.
Baud
@Cat48: I’d imagine whatever he says today was negotiated by both camps. She’s going to appear with him.
Baud
@satby: Thus justifying why Clinton doesn’t need to hold press conferences.
bystander
@Kay: Truthtelling ruins the narrative. But you knew that.
Paul in KY
@Kay: The money is coming from the business & unless there is a contract that mandates raises, etc., they are being ‘given’ it (in that there is nothing making them raise the salaries).
That’s the way it works in the private sector.
satby
@Baud: well I linked here to there, so he can come correct me if I’m mistating his position.
Edited: y’all play nice to well meaning strangers, you jackals.
Could be a learning opportunity.
Emma
@JGabriel: Even a reptile knows his own best interest. I don’t care why they’re doing it as long as they do.
Baud
@satby: If we’re nice to strangers, there’s a risk they might stay.
Cat48
@Baud:
Seeing Weaver yesterday was about all I could take, why send him out with that message? Frankly, I’m upset enough with all the death last week. I hope NH will go well, but I’m not counting on it. I hope Obama will give an excellent speech today that doesn’t offend anyone but the weirdos. If not, I scrambled thru the medicine cabinet & found a tranquilizer. That should help the day go smoother. :)
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Fvck that. and speaking of which, I have to go. Y’all play nice now, ya heah?
Paul in KY
@Paul in KY: Just want to clarify that, of course, there is no ‘gift’ in terms of your salary for your job. You are exchanging labor for money. When that salary is arbitrarily increased, due to nothing but the goodwill of the employer, you could call that a ‘gift’, IMO.
Baud
@Paul in KY: In the absence of a negotiated employment contract, all salary increases could be viewed as arbitrary. Would you view a salary cut or a layoff as theft?
Paul in KY
@Baud: No. Unfortunately, that is why it is better to be a rentier than a renter ;-)
gogol's wife
More power to you, Ieshia.
MrSnrub
@Schlemazel Khan: Springtime for Vader on Tatooine!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@robert thompson:
Tis would be easy
Europe reply “So England loathes minorities so much they decided to commit economic suicide?”
Japan reply “So, how’s that apology for kidnapping and raping Korean women during WWII going?”
While this crap is indeed shameful, Europe and Japan are in no position to be judgemental.
hovercraft
@OzarkHillbilly:
Agreed that the fact that we get to see the photo and the fact that we get to protest are to the good, the fact that in 2016 she still needs to be out there is our shame. The fact that we are on a blog freely discussing this, hope for the future.
And those eyes, chilling.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Also, what’s with the cops body armor? They look like they expect some medieval martial arts group like the Society of Creative Anarchism to riot. And yet for all that gear, they don’t protect their throats.
hovercraft
@JGabriel:
Exactly, since it was always going to be a Tory, she is more or less what you would expect. One hopes that she will be better than her tea bagger opponent who attended Koch events.
rikyrah
Voting Should Be Mandatory on America’s College Campuses
Requiring students to vote as a condition of enrollment could help boost dismal youth turnout.
by Katherine Oh
July 12, 2016
If historical trends hold, only about half of the young Americans eligible to vote in the upcoming presidential election will actually do so. Despite abundant media coverage about millennials fired up about their respective candidates, a poll this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics showed that only 50 percent of 18 to 29 year olds were planning to “definitely” vote in the fall. That’s on par with the 49 percent of voters aged 18 to 29 who said the same in 2012 and the 45 percent who actually did. By contrast, 72 percent of seniors cast a ballot that year.
“Bernie Bros” aside, youth turnout at the polls is dismal in comparison to older voters. Seeking to help counter those trends, many colleges encourage their students to vote by offering campus polling sites, voter registration forms in dorm move-in packets, candidate forums, and so forth. While those efforts are all well and good, it’s also clear that they’re falling short. That’s why it might be time to try some sticks along with the carrots to boost youth turnout.
Specifically, colleges and universities should require their students to vote as a condition of their enrollment. Instead of just nudging students to vote, make them do it. Graduate them into voters like the schools mean it.
After all, if Yale University can establish carbon pricing on campus to curb carbon pollution, why not establish a voting duty for its students? If Liberty University can dictate hairstyles and require all students to attend “convocation” three times a week, why not require participation in elections?
rikyrah
Uh huh
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New radio clips find more controversial Trump comments on women
Donald Trump’s vast history of controversial comments about women is no secret — and a new trove of radio clips from the mid-2000s provides even more fodder on that front.
The newly discovered Trump clips, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, are from “Trumped!”, a series of 60-second commentary clips from Trump that aired on syndicated radio from 2004 to 2008. In one, he suggested presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would “make a good president”– but he also spoke frequently and extensively about other women, and in ways that will do nothing to further endear him to female voters.
In one clip, Trump said he was surprised that most women disapproved of having one-night stands.
“I thought today’s women were independent and had a lot of sexual freedom,” he said in a 2006 clip. “Well, I guess they fooled me.”
Another clip focuses on a man in Saudi Arabia who divorced his wife because his wife had been alone with a man — referring to a presenter she’d only ever watched on TV.
“There are a lot of male chauvinists in this country who really agree with what’s going on over there,” Trump said. “Men in Saudi Arabia have the authority to divorce their wives without going to the courts. I guess that would also mean they don’t need prenuptial agreements.”
He continued: “Saudi Arabia sounds like a very good place to get a divorce.”
Barb2
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Americans will be questioned. Been and done that. I was in Europe when Nixon took the US off the gold standard plus the Vietnam War and Kent State.
Back then US college students started putting Canadian flags on backpacks etc.
hovercraft
@satby:
Yes that’s okay, and if only did press conferences they would complain that she wasn’t giving interviews which allow for more follow up questions and a more in depth discussion.
She should just do her thing, because she’ll be criticized either way.
LanceThruster
As an atheist, the “I am God’s vessel” stuff I could do without but I love her commitment.
Still hoping Bernie takes his campaign all the way to the convention. Any endorsement before that would be counterproductive.
hovercraft
@Cat48:
He is writing the speech himself, unfortunately he now has a drill for these things, he writes them himself without speechwriters. The voice you hear at Rev. Pickney’s funeral, at Newtown, at Phoenix is his own voice speaking to the nation, trying to comfort and heal us.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@LanceThruster:
Apparently there’s an email going around to your people that the endorsement is a hoax. It’s really interesting to watch delusion come in contact with reality. And by interesting, I mean pathetic.
Betty Cracker
@hovercraft: I’ll never forget President Obama’s speech at the memorial for Rev. Pinckney. It was the most moving speech I’ve ever heard from a public figure in my entire life.
Betty Cracker
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
Okay, that made me laugh.
Shell
I will be soooooo glad when the Berniacs find another crusade. With all that energy, they could actually do some good somewhere.
El Caganer
@LanceThruster: Counterproductive? For who? The only people I can think of are the ones looking forward to a noisy demonstration. If Bernie Sanders wants any meaningful role in the Senate, now would be a very productive time for him to endorse.
satby
@Shell: If they were all that great at followup, Bernie might have won the primary. So I suspect the energy is overstated.
Face
@Shell: LIke cleaning up all their Cheetos dust, recycling all those Mountain Dew cans, and giving their parents the use of their basement at least once a week?
different-church-lady
@CarolDuhart2:
Nonsense! Undermining her general election campaign starts in earnest today! Then we get on with three-years-and-change of undermining her presidency and then start calls to primary her. Etc, etc…
Pogonip
@Kay: If it makes you feel any better, “giving the employees a raise” is pretty standard phrasing. Whomever they are. :P
Shell
Oh, TCM. Enough with the Westerns already!
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
It made me cry. He is a very gifted writer and I look forward to reading his account of the last 10 years, he is a thoughtful person who is fully aware of his place in history. It will be a fascinating read.
burnspbesq
@efgoldman:
Clearly, you haven’t read or heard the speech May gave in Birmingham on Sunday.
I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt until she gives me reason not to.
Kay
@Pogonip:
It is and he didn’t write the headline, so I give him that. It’s the tone of the whole piece though- “work” isn’t connected to “pay”- instead it’s his moral obligation to pay people. This is a transaction he’s engaged in, not an abstract theory of duty. He doesn’t want to attract the best people out of the goodness of his heart. They add value.
Barb2
A neuroscientist explains the unconscious racial biases behind deadly police shootings
Using science to study racism. This is an easy to read article, translated from Academia English to high school level English.
Paul in KY
@Kay: Certainly agree that any ‘giving’ is not done out of altruism. They expect it makes them more competitive, gets workers more enthused about job, etc.
Sibelius
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Thanks for those UCLA photos. I got to show my two little girls where I spent my time. Those steps, oh my God how many times I climbed those. It’s been a long time, but that looks like Dykstra. 7th and 9th floors represent!. We had a party where each room was a different country. Mine was Russia. Took everything out except the bed frames and served vodka from the bar behind the “Iron Curtain”. The Bermuda room had nothing but sand. Smuggled a duffle bag full of alcohol up the elevator standing next to the duty RA. She said, “hope I don’t have to confiscate that”, then said I get off at 10 and I like gin and tonic. She was so cute. Can’t remember her name now. She was from Medellin, Columbia. Blonde hair and beautiful blue eyes.
Good times. Was tough going there for me though, those lines to get into registration to get on the waiting list for classes, ugh.
Thanks again. Brought back some memories without the lines and traffic.
LanceThruster
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
Yeah…democracy. What a joke!
Paul in KY
@Sibelius: They carted in 1000 lbs of sand for that party! Wow, that’s commitment to a theme. Wish I’d attended that one.
Matt McIrvin
@different-church-lady: I am even now seeing them start to convince themselves that the Libertarian Party candidate is the true progressive alternative to Hillary Clinton.
burnspbesq
Apparently C-SPAN will be live-streaming the Clinton/Sanders joint appearance starting at 11:00 EDT
Betty Cracker
Clinton-Sanders rally live-stream posted upstairs for all who are interested.
Feathers
@Iowa Old Lady: @Kay: The other difference is that the Barniebros are, well, dudes. The PUMAs were seen as comical hysterics by the press and no threat to Obama. The Barniebros have serious policy concerns which must be addressed constantly and completely by Hillary, in every news cycle. Or something. That is my worry.
LanceThruster
@Feathers:
Or maybe some see no value in a corporate Dem who says whatever is convenient at the time (as pointed out by President Obama in his hard fought primary).
GOVCHRIS1988
Me reading all the asshurt Bernie supporters bitchfit posts today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRamB30E9mU
LanceThruster
@El Caganer:
Counterproductive as far as trying to sway any of his supporters to switch to Clinton. That’s a pretty tall order. I won’t stay home on election day, but she is going to be a drag on the downticket races because of those that do.
Great job, DNC!
Miss Bianca
@JGabriel: yup. good for them!
Miss Bianca
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I hate to have to point out the obvious here, but shooting two court officials and then *yourself* pretty much insures that you are never going to see your (domestically abused) family again.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Sibelius:
That is indeed Dykstra, I was on the 8th floor for my 2 years there.
Frivolous
@Schlemazel Khan:
Oh good I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought the cops were dancing in front of the lady.