Don’t have any problems with this:
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Democratic National Committee chairwoman, faced rising pressure to resign her position on Sunday after a hack into the party’s internal emails revealed she and top aides had actively attempted to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential bid.
Ms. Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman, was meeting with advisers behind closed doors at a hotel here, a day before the party’s convention was set to begin.
Asked if Ms. Wasserman Schultz intended to resign, the D.N.C. communications director, Luis Miranda, said he would not comment on the record and swiftly got on an escalator.
A spokesman for Hillary Clinton’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request about whether her team was seeking the chairwoman’s resignation.
2016 Election PollsBut on the eve of Mrs. Clinton’s nominating convention, some prominent Democrats, including friends of the Clintons, have begun to openly call on Ms. Wasserman Schultz to step down and spare the party of a distraction this week.
“In politics, you need to not only to know when to draw your sword, but also when to fall on it,” said James Carville, a longtime friend and adviser to the Clintons.
Representative Debbie Dingell of Michigan was even more blunt: “She needs to resign before it gets worse.”
Ms. Wasserman Schultz has already been stripped of her speaking role at the convention, according to a senior Democratic official, and the daily job of gaveling the sessions in and out has been turned over to Representative Marcia Fudge of Ohio. The moves were taken by many in the party as a barely veiled signal that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign wanted Ms. Wasserman Schultz’s resignation.
I saw another story in which people were suggesting that Julian Castro could take over the position. What about Nina Turner?
rikyrah
Man With Autism in Police Shooting of Charles Kinsey ‘Traumatized’: Family
July 23, 2016
The man with autism who police union officials in North Miami say was the intended target in an accidental shooting of his unarmed caregiver was left “traumatized” by the incident, his family said Saturday.
The family of Arnaldo Rios-Soto argued that law enforcement officers need better training in dealing with people who have mental disabilities.
Since Monday’s shooting, Rios-Soto is “not sleeping, he’s not eating, he’s not the same anymore,” his sister, Mariam Rios, told reporters.
Rios-Soto, 26, had wandered from the MacTown Panther Group Homes and was being assisted by therapist Charles Kinsey when police responded to a 911 call about a suicidal man with a gun.
Rios-Soto was unarmed but clutching a toy truck.
bystander
The media are going to want this to be the number one topic tomorrow.
lamh36
Julian Castro..sure..
Nina Turner…HELL NAW
Debbie’s out huh…cool.
Does this mean no bullshit from Bernie-bros at convention?
Johnny Coelacanth
Let’s make Barney Frank the head of the DNC.
rikyrah
Trump On Muslim Ban: It’s Not A Rollback, It’s An Expansion!
By SARA JERDE
Published JULY 24, 2016, 10:10 AM EDT
Donald Trump insisted in an interview aired Sunday that he was not rolling back his Muslim ban, rather his new stance could be considered an expansion.
NBC News’ “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd asked Trump about a line in his speech at the Republican National Convention, in which he said that the United States should, “immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism.”
Todd noted that it seemed like a “rollback” when compared to the “complete and total shutdown” of Muslims from entering the country, which he proposed earlier this year.
“I actually don’t think it’s a rollback. In fact, you could say it’s an expansion. I’m looking now at territory,” Trump said. “People were so upset when I used the word Muslim. Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m okay with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.”
Trump went on to say that he loves the nation’s constitution.
Cacti
A DNC chair needs to be good at 2 things: raising funds and getting out the vote.
Nina Turner doesn’t have enough national reach for either. Castro seems a bit more connected.
MattF
It’s a thankless task– just ask Reince.
Emma
I wonder who “the boss” was that said no the ratfvcking, if not DWS. Not that it matters. The Bernie-boys got their scalp and Democratic upper management are shown as cowardly chickenshits again. Sometimes I wonder why the hell I bother.
Mandalay
I think there should be two pre-requisites for whoever gets the job running the DNC:
– If the president is a Democrat you back him. If you can’t back the president then explain why, and then resign.
– Nobody in Congress should get the job. It’s simply not humanly possible to do both jobs effectively.
Cacti
@Johnny Coelacanth:
I think he would actually be a very good choice.
LanceThruster
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
Maybe Susan Sarandon
rikyrah
sigh
……………………….
Trump On Cruz: The RNC Crowd Would’ve ‘Ripped Him Off The Stage’
By SARA JERDE
Published JULY 24, 2016, 1:45 PM EDT
Donald Trump surmised that the crowd at the Republican National Convention would’ve “ripped” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) off the stage had he not entered when he did.
Trump reportedly stated on Showtime’s “The Circus,” that he wish he had waited to enter the arena because Cruz would’ve been booed off the stage. Cruz took the stage at the RNC, asking the audience to “vote your conscience,” but not endorsing Trump.
“I walked in and the arena went crazy,” Trump said, as flagged by Politico. “Because there’s great unity in the Republican Party, and people don’t know it. Had I not walked in, I think that audience would have ripped him off the stage. I think I did him a big favor.”
Trump got to read the speech beforehand, but thought it wasn’t “very good.” Trump said he thought it would’ve been a bigger deal to kick him out of the speaking lineup, and that it didn’t make a big different to have his endorsement.
Baud
@Mandalay: I agree with that.
Emma
@Cacti: If they give it to Nina Turner I’m done. I will vote for Hillary in November but the DNC gets not one lousy penny from me.
Baud
@Johnny Coelacanth:
Agree.
Rob_in_Hawaii
Or *Tina* Turner …
Baud
@Emma: Agree. Horrible suggestion.
rikyrah
Nina Turner?
no.
Either Castro – ok
Secretary Perez – love him
Cacti
@Emma:
I don’t see a single thing that Turner brings to the table.
She’s a lightweight even in state-level Ohio politics.
rikyrah
@Mandalay:
I agree with your terms.
Baud
@rikyrah: I don’t want Perez to resign from the DOL job.
chopper
yeah, i’m sure switching out the head of the DNC 3 months and change before the election is gonna work out great. better pick someone who already knows the job.
tobie
Nina Turner? Are you serious? The woman is unhinged. I wouldn’t trust her with the gavel.
As for DWS resigning, ok if ya’ll need a sacrificial lamb, but the quoted article misstates facts: the DNC didn’t “actively attempt” to sabotage the Sanders campaign. An exceedingly small number of emails suggest some members briefly considered this option and dropped it.
This is a tempest in a teapot.
redshirt
@Rob_in_Hawaii: We don’t need another DNC Chair….
gogol's wife
I’m happy to say I have no idea who Nina Turner is. If she has anything to do with Bernie Sanders, she should STFU and go away. If not, never mind.
rikyrah
From BooMan:
Picking Kaine is Taking the Pot Off Boil
by BooMan
Sat Jul 23rd, 2016 at 12:40:22 AM EST
Here is what I said about Tim Kaine when he was just one of several names being floated as a running mate for Hillary Clinton. Here is what I said about Virginia being a very important state for blocking Trump’s stated Electoral College strategy.
My immediate take is that Clinton just took the heat of this election down a notch. She didn’t look to polarize it further by picking a liberal firebrand or try to win some demographic arms war by responding to Trump’s anti-Latino legions with a Latino running mate. She didn’t pick someone who can throw bombs with Trump, like Al Franken.
She went with steady, likable, qualified, compatible, and uncontroversial. Kaine can tick off a lot of boxes, too. He has the unusual ability to disarm detractors with his faith. His religiosity invites people in without putting them off. He’s bilingual and fluent in Spanish, and he has experience living in Honduras as a missionary. He’s well-liked by both labor unions and business interests, making it just a little easier for Clinton to capture the monied interests from Donald Trump at minimal cost with her base or as the cost of winning their support. He has more executive experience (as a mayor, lieutenant governor, governor, and head of the DNC) than any of the names that made it onto Clinton’s short list. He’s extremely well-liked and respected by his Republican colleagues in the Senate.
He’s popular in his home state, too. He has never lost an election.
Naturally, people will nitpick him. He isn’t from the left fringe of the party, and he’s probably temperamentally moderate by nature. He didn’t win all those elections in Republican-leaning Virginia by letting his liberal freak flag fly. He represents an extremely pro-business, pro-military state that until five minutes ago was culturally conservative to the core
S Kizzire
Please not Nina Turner give her that sort of platform and the Democratic Party will be killed in its bed.
NO Nina NO NINA
Capt Seaweed
My party sure does stupid shit sometimes. They should stop doing that.
Eljai
Is Howard Dean available again?
gogol's wife
I wish they’d told Bernie he could run as a Socialist. I really, really do.
Trentrunner
I’m with Al Giordano: “…capitulating to a witch hunt rarely gets the desired results.”
Ok, Berniebros, you have your fucking scalp. Now, get to work to elect Hillary.
Johnny Coelacanth
@Cacti: Me too, and it would chap the berners’ asses so, win win.
LanceThruster
@Cacti:
Corporate Dems masked by a progressive social agenda are all the rage.
hamletta
@tobie: Donna Brazile will step in as interim chair through the election.
hovercraft
How about we make Nina the chairman of the Committee of the Democratic Party.
EDIT : Ben Jealous is now willing to support Hillary now that DWS is gone. Aren’t we blessed.
PsiFighter37
Seems like she’s gone.
Fuck Bernie and his crew for being idiots and for being pawns of the Russians. I don’t like DWS, but this is pointless to do this on the eve of the DNC except to be spiteful.
I hope they boot Bernie right out of the convention hall after he gives his speech. That fucker cannot go away fast enough.
Trentrunner
Donna Brazile will serve as interim DNC chair through November election.
Take that, you racist misogynist Bernie dudebros. Brazile will have NONE of your bullshit.
gogol's wife
@hamletta:
Good.
Baud
@hamletta: Not bad.
Emma
@Trentrunner: Please. They’re filing a class-action suit over something or other. Plus demonstrations at the convention. This whole thing is the living example of “if you pay Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.”
eponymous coward
According to CNN DWS is gone at the end of the week. So there’s that. Pop some champagne?
Arclite
LOL, doesn’t get more direct than that.
rikyrah
Harold Pollack
@haroldpollack
I’m perversely glad many Trump folk anti-Semitic. It forces some of us to confront bigotry we might overlook directed at Muslims, nonwhites.
gogol's wife
@rikyrah:
I think it’s how we got Bloomberg.
Baud
@Emma: Agree. This won’t stop.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and lost her statewide race in an important swing state by more than 20 points. Doesn’t suggest she’s a general you want.
@Johnny Coelacanth: perfect, the Bernie bots learn what “Be careful what you wish for” means! and he’d be much better at the job.
@Eljai: Is his lobbying contract with MEK running out?
Patricia Kayden
DWS was a weak DNC Chair. Glad she has stepped down.
@rikyrah: Just watching that video (and the one of the Black woman teacher in Austin being body slammed to the ground by a cop) is traumatizing to me so I can just imagine how Rios-Soto must feel.
Arclite
@Johnny Coelacanth:
HELLZ YEAH
rikyrah
Daniel DaleVerified account
@ddale8
Huh: Retired general John Allen, who led Obama’s anti-ISIS coalition and then resigned, will speak at the DNC before Hillary Clinton.
Amir Khalid
She’s out after the convention, according to this story in TIME.
Mandalay
@eponymous coward:
Yes!
http://www.wsj.com/articles/under-pressure-dncs-debbie-wasserman-schultz-limits-convention-role-1469376914
lamh36
Cacti
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Not even a solid lieutenant, much less a general.
Arclite
@MattF:
You misspelt that. It’s spelled “Rinse”
rikyrah
Defense OneVerified account
@DefenseOne
How Putin Weaponized Wikileaks to Influence the Election of an American President
Brachiator
Guardian says DWS has resigned.
RAM
Wasserman Shultz overstayed her welcome by at least a year. Wish the Dems would get someone like Howard Dean (better yet, why not Howard), who I think was the best modern Dem Party chair.
Anoniminous
Senator Sanders on SOTU today. “I’m going to do everything I can to defeat” Trump
Donna Brazile, DNC Vice Chair of Voter Registration has apologized to the Bernie camp for the “stupidity” of the emails and stated, “People will have to step down.”
IOW it’s Party Unity all the way down.
The Goal is to defeat Trump.
The Goal is to take back the Senate.
The Goal is to take back the House.
We worked to carry my precinct and county for Bernie in the primary. He carried it. Now that same group is working to carry it for Clinton. Why? Because we’re grown ups, we know what is at stake, and that is what grown ups do.
Baud
@rikyrah: Response to the fear mongering from Trump?
Patricia Kayden
@Cacti: Donna Edwards (from my state of Maryland) would be a better choice.
@Trentrunner: That’s great. Brazile did well in prior elections and will definitely rally the Black vote for Secretary Clinton.
dmsilev
@Emma: Apparently there is at least a fringe which is trying to force a vote against Tim Kaine as VP. I guess winning the primaries isn’t sufficient to give Hillary Clinton the right to select her running mate.
lamh36
A Black woman and an Hispanic male…diversity…it’s what Dems do unlike GOP
gwangung
@Patricia Kayden: Donna Edwards. I like that.
CaseyL
Eh. Clinton probably wanted DWS gone anyway – remembering, maybe, how Wasserman-Schultz prioritized friendship with a GOP representative over recruiting a good Dem candidate for that position – this just gets the job done a little sooner than expected.
Baud
If y’all recall, the DNC has been operationally run by Hillary’s people after she clinched the nomination.
Steeplejack
I presume the long blockquote at the top is from this New York Times story.
I didn’t see anything there that supported the claim that “she and top aides had actively attempted to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential bid.” The only example given is this:
As has been reported widely, that idea went nowhere.
The article also says:
The hyperlink at “undeniable evidence” goes to another Times article, “Released Emails Suggest the DNC Derided the Sanders Campaign.” Again, internal e-mails that apparently led to no action at all.
I am by no means a D.W.S. fan, but this is pretty thin gruel. And it’s pitched in the anti-Clinton tone that has come to characterize the Times coverage of her.
ETA: Holy shnikeys! This thread went from one reply to 64 while I was dawdling over my comment. I see a TBogg unit ahead!
rikyrah
@originalgriz
White privilege: it’s nearly August, Donald Trump could be President, and you’re in the street for Bernie.
sukabi
It looks like Donna Brazille is going to be interim DNC chair. Via crooks and liars
Emma
@dmsilev: I am telling you. They will be pushing their idiocy past the election. And our Democratic overlords will keep on caving in.
Baud
@Steeplejack: It’s completely manufactured. But that’s politics.
rikyrah
Obama: Donald Trump’s nomination ‘says something’ about the Republican Party
July 24 at 11:57 AM
Eight years ago, Donald Trump lead the birther movement against then-President-elect Obama. Now, Donald Trump is the Republican nominee for president.
In a taped interview with CBS’s John Dickerson that aired Sunday on “Face the Nation,” Obama said that fact “says something about what’s happened to the Republican Party over the course of the last eight, 10, 15 years.”
He went on to say that past Republican leaders such as Bob Dole, Jim Baker, Howard Baker, Dick Lugar and Colin Powell were conservatives who “also understood that our system of government requires compromise, that Democrats weren’t the enemy, that the way our government works requires us to listen to each other.
“And that’s not the kind of politics that we’ve seen practiced,” Obama said.
burnspbesq
@lamh36:
That may be the best piece of snark ever posted on this site. You owe me a new iPad.
Arclite
@rikyrah: While everything that Booman said is true, we’re at a point in our nation where we don’t need safe any longer. The reason that Bernie and Trump and Cruz were contenders at all is that the electorate is fed up with safe. The pot won’t boil over yet, but this election is just a taste of what will come unless Hillary doesn’t attempt to implement some fairly “radical” (for America) changes. People feel insecure from a jobs and wealth perspective while the rich continue to suck up all the productivity gains. People are finally getting wise to it after 30 years. The young generation is the first in our nation’s history that will have a lower standard of living than their parents.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
@Baud: He was former head of NATO and he’ll attack trump on that issue.
Baud
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Great. And maybe on Putin too.
Arclite
@PsiFighter37: Stupid of DWS to leave a paper trail. Just sayin’
Patricia Kayden
@Trentrunner: I was heartened to see that Ben Jealous, a fierce Senator Sanders supporter, has just endorsed Secretary Clinton and acknowledged that our side has to rally against the Fascist in the wings. Hoping that other Bernie-or-Busters come around now that DWS is out.
Baud
@Arclite: There is no paper trail. Completely manufactured.
Cacti
@Arclite:
Fix’d
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: Still don’t like him, but yes, that’s good. Eyes on the prize.
scav
@Baud: Politics? Many things are manufactured. This is self-indulgence symbolism and fluff put on the front-burner (feel-the).
Baud
@Cacti: Thanks. I was too lazy to FTFY.
Trentrunner
@Arclite: You mean white people are starting to get a taste what POC felt for the past 2 centuries?
This right here is the bullshit that showed me Bernie would NEVER win and would never have my support.
If action on behalf of POC in this country is not a foundational priority of your campaign, you are not qualified to be President.
Also, I’ve rescinded my Thursday deadline for Berniebros to blow off their steam.
Now that you have DWS’s scalp, we are done with you.
Follow HRC, or get out of the way. (I left off “lead” because you’ve shown you can’t do that.)
redshirt
This is entirely a nothingburger, and the only people who care about it are as follows:
1. The media
2. Berniebros
3. Trump team looking to stir shit up
4. Putin and allies.
That’s not a very large group of people.
Baud
@scav: Those aren’t mutually exclusive categories.
Arclite
@lamh36:
Hey, hey, hey. C’mon now. They have Ben Carson.
Davis X. Machina
@dmsilev: This will continue until the People ‘fess up and admit they voted wrong.
After all, the People have forfeited the confidence of the Vanguard Party.
Bertold Brecht, Die Lösung
lamh36
@ABCLiz 6m6 minutes ago
Hillary Clinton’s statement on resignation of @DWStweets
Run, Lillian!
Ugh. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t like DWS either but rewarding a relentless, bullying witch hunt with a scalp is not the answer.
Just look at GOS today. The bullies are back, crowing about their persecution and vindication. You don’t reward people like that, they just keep demanding more and more and you get nothing in return. Now they want to force a vote on Tim Kaine?
And a hell, no to Nina Turner.
Arclite
@Steeplejack:
Nah, it’ll burn out before 300.
MattF
@Davis X. Machina: And a bit of Auden that just came up on Twitter.
Trentrunner
Yamiche Alcindor (NYT) just tweeted:
Fuck. Him. So. Much.
Patricia Kayden
@rikyrah: It sure does. It says that they’re perfectly okay with bigotry and have no problem with racists now that they’ve nominated one as the head of their party. Republicans should never be allowed to downplay what they’ve done to their party by embracing Trump.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Arclite: I don’t like her, and I guess I’m glad she’s gone a few months early, but her paper trail basically said, “C’mon you guys, knock it off”
scav
@Baud: I know that. But this isn’t about real politics, with real consequences, it’s seriously vaporware Kinetoscope nonsense. It’s like capturing a pikachu and posting about your epic, self-affirming victory on the book of faces.
Cacti
DWS is history’s new greatest monster.
Okey doke. Let’s move on to the important stuff now.
dmsilev
@Emma: Clinton sure as hell isn’t going to cave on her choice of running mate; backing down on something like that would kill her campaign. Hopefully, this is just a few bitter-end fanatics who are more hot air than anything else.
Iowa Old Lady
DWS’s term was up in January. The chair is theoretically picked by the DNC, but the president usually presents his or her choice. So now what?
Does HRC name someone? How do the Bernie people take that?
Does someone do it temporarily? Maybe someone who’s done it before like, say, Howard Dean?
Baud
@Cacti: Exactly. Down with Kaine!
jk
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Trentrunner: Meh, I wish he had been taking that line for the last few weeks, and if that’s how he’s going to move forward, I’m okay with that.
Run, Lillian!
@rikyrah:
That is brilliantly put.
Arclite
@Cacti: On the Trump side that’s absolutely true, but it’s only part of the story. Economic insecurity is a huge source fanning the flames of minority demonization.
LanceThruster
Bye Felicia!
xD
Trentrunner
HRC just tweeted that DWS will stay on as her honorary 50-state campaign chair.
So suck on that, haters.
Baud
@dmsilev: This is purely symbolic. Compromising on the Veep would not be.
Fair Economist
@rikyrah:
LOL. No-Drama Obama is master of the understatement as well.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
Celebrations at Trump Tower and the Kremlin tonight!
MattF
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Srsly?
Cacti
@Arclite:
Yeah, on the Trump side. ;-)
Betty Cracker
@Mandalay: Makes sense to me.
@Trentrunner: Yep. DWS’s ouster will embolden them, which is why I’m sorry the Dems caved, even though I’m no DWS fan.
lamh36
The fact that MSM would rather focus on Bernie-bros rather than this part of the Wikileaks story. says something!
How Putin Weaponized Wikileaks to Influence the Election of an American President http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Fuck DWS
This is justification for the millions who knew the DNC was colluding with the Clinton campaign.
Why these front page posters kept promoting corrupt, establishment hacks when there was already overwhelming evidence of collusion is beyond me!
Soooooooo happy right now :)
Vote Tim Canova, he’s not crooked like DWS!
Arclite
@redshirt:
In Putin’s Russia, the nothingburger eats you.
LanceThruster
@redshirt:
The MSM is complicit. Of course they’ll sweep it under the rug.
Betty Cracker
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Spoof account FTW!
Emma
@dmsilev: Somebody needs to put their foot down on their necks. Hard.
You know what I hate the most? The sons of bitches using documents that clearly show she told them there would be no dirty doings to clobber her. The uber-moral Bernistas that spent so many months calling the rest of us stupid corporate whores acted exactly like any ratfvcking politician and got away with it. I don’t care what they promise. They will NOT stop now.
Iowa Old Lady
@Iowa Old Lady: I seem to be unable to edit. FYWP.
Anyway, Brazille is fine.
SiubhanDuinne
@tobie:
Not if the Village has anything to say about it, it isn’t.
redshirt
I just read Trumps tweets over the last couple of days. Amazing. Sad. This is the Republican party – literally a frat house of sexually frustrated juveniles.
LanceThruster
Nothingburger with beef, please.
xD
MattF
@Betty Cracker: Ah. Denald Trump.
Arclite
@Run, Lillian!:
I haven’t really been paying that much attention, but it seems to me there’s been negative story after negative story about her for a couple of years now. Am I remembering wrong?
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@Emma: Why should they, when the useful idiots are continually being sold that they can get what they truly want: Nach Trump, uns!
D58826
@Emma: The very conservative Max Boot on twitter is saying that it is Putin who got the scalp. So what has been accomplished here. A politician that 95% of the public never heard of, who is the head of an organization that 98 % of the public has never heard of resigns after a full day of media vapors over some e-mails. Look some of the things said in the e-mails were stupid but the ones causing all of the heartburn are from mid to late May. Bernie had already lost by then. Bernie’s supporters are all juiced up that he will NOW be able to declare victory and become the nominee.
In the meantime ‘old little hands’ and his racist message gets a free pass. And the more important issue of Russian meddling in US elections and what ties if any Trump has with Putin are ignored. The GOP has been saying for years that Bill could have been blackmailed because of Monica and that Hillary could be blackmailed because of the e-mail server. Well what about a US President whose financial empire is in hock to Russian oligarchs joined at the hip to Putin. Doesn’t it seem like that is much more important than the fate of DWS. But then what do I know.
scav
Not a single splinter of any progressive plank has been advanced a whisker. But certain pokers of poinythings pseudo concerns have been assuaged. Because, hey, let’s not get confused with what everything’s really about.
Cacti
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Vote Tim Canova, the “progressive” choice who wants to scuttle the Iran nuclear agreement.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Betty Cracker:
Are you sure though? Should we go back and repost all the positive comments you’ve made in support of her!?
So does this mean you’re voting Canova?
bargal20
@PsiFighter37: Ooh, the russkies. Not the russkies! And “berniebros”! Oh my!
Ryan
Woooohooooo!!!! Sadly, this will get more attention than Trump’s lobbying in the interests of Putin.
different-church-lady
And y’all wonder why Tom Brady wouldn’t give up the phone?
Ghayduke
I’m glad. DWS Should have been gone before the primary season started. Anybody who doesn’t recognize this as Clinton’s call is a fool.
redshirt
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: With the presence of Becnel and Lance Thruster, odds of a Tbogg just jumped to 75%.
Old Dan and Little Anne
The guy at Stone Kettle station wrote a damn fine piece about Kaine yesterday.
MattF
@D58826: So, you’re suggesting that journalists should cover news stories? Sad!
Technocrat
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:
Is that real? I have trouble believing even he said that.
geg6
@Johnny Coelacanth:
That would be an inspired and inspiring pick.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Cacti:
HOW BOUT THEM DWS EMAILS!?
Do you understand now why millions of democrats know the DNC is corrupt?
gwangung
@Arclite: Let me put it to you politely: Get a clue.
Bigotry doesn’t need an excuse. And one compounds the other.
BR
I’m happy to see her gone, even if it is only because of this ugly Putin/wikileaks incident. Her media appearances were usually counterproductive or tone deaf, and she doesn’t seem to be into investments in a 50-state, local-level strategy that’s needed.
Emma
Never mind. Not worth it.
Technocrat
@Arclite:
She’s been the villain for a while now. I’m fine with firing her, but fire her for something she did, not something she averted.
LanceThruster
@D58826:
So he had already lost by then, yet the ratfucking of declaring her the presumptive nominee happened before the CA primary (very Nixonian). Plus, the count largely got flipped for Bernie.
Arclite
@gwangung: You make no sense. You tell me to get a clue, then you agree with me?
Baud
@Ghayduke: Of course. Just like this was Obama’s call. Politics sometimes requires it.
redshirt
@D58826: Don’t worry. There’s a long ways to go and there’s no way even our media can keep the Putin influence under wraps.
We should all make it our personal mission as well to spread these facts. Having Russia influence Trump might be the very issue which pushes some Trump voters from him.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@redshirt:
1000 COMMENTS!
There sure is hella hate for DWS here :)
Cacti
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
So you agree with Canova that the Iran nuclear deal needs to be scuttled then?
Or (more likely) you probably just didn’t know that was his position.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Arclite: She’s a Blue Dog and not very good at the job, but I think at least some of that comes from it being a weak position.
@Cacti: also, how many people here live in that district?
gwangung
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Understanding without reading them. Good trick.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@Cacti: You’re expecting a useful idiot to care?
Frankensteinbeck
@redshirt:
I suppose you’re right that it’s not a big deal, but I dislike anyone having to resign for something they didn’t do.
@Arclite:
Minority demonization flourishes in times of economic prosperity just as much as times of economic want. Only the arguments the racists use change. We got to these economically difficult times because four decades ago racists decided they’d rather destroy their own jobs than share them with blacks. Since then, they have fought with increasing lunacy to wreck everything. That is and has been the driving factor of our economic problems.
Cacti
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
None that I know of.
Most of the “revolutionaries” are pig ignorant of the fact that they’re getting played for their $$$ by a Likudnik.
Something comes to mind about a fool and his money.
dmsilev
@LanceThruster: Sanders lost California by many thousands of votes once the counting was done. And even if he hadn’t lost, his pledged delegate hole was so deep that pulling out a narrow win wouldn’t have helped.
So stop whining.
scav
Those millions of aware democratic voters that never show up at the polls are terrifyingly omniscient and inerrant. How sad that so few apparently have keyboards and must instead rely on the few to voice all their concerns here.
Baud
@dmsilev: He’s a primary truther. You’re wasting your pixels.
Cacti
@dmsilev:
No one has ever been as oppressed as the white 20-somethings that felt the Bern.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Cacti:
Hahahaha, you know, Cacti, this is the FIRST time you’re actually arguing POLICY with me and not just telling me TO FUCK OFF!
Sweet, sweet Victory…
Canovas position on Iran? As opposed to murdering civilians in Lybia, Syria, Iraq, etc?
Sure, I’ll take Canova.
PsiFighter37
@bargal20: Seriously, fuck them, and Bernie in particular – he knows his idiot supporters will fucking howl in protest to whatever injustice he deems there to have been.
I never liked DWS, but Bernie’s handling of this shows that he is all about his grievances and not about party at.all.
sdhays
If DWS is finally getting the boot, can we please replace her with someone who at least doesn’t already have a day job? Making DWS the DNC Chair was a mistake in many ways, but choosing a sitting Congresswoman was the first, most obvious mistake. DNC Chair is a full time job, and Congresspersons are always complaining about how little time they have to do their actual job anyway; having her also be DNC Chair was just insulting.
dmsilev
@Baud: Oh, I know. It’s a Sunday afternoon and I’m a bit bored.
Cacti
@Frankensteinbeck:
Bernie promised trickle down social justice would happen when he was finished hand holding white people with lost status anxiety.
Anya
As I said on Twitter, there are lots of stuff I don’t like about Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s policies, but the way some on the left demonize her is a bit unsettling. I feel like some of the reasons she gets all this vitriol is because she’s a woman politition in a position of power. If we had a male Dem whose political ideology was identical to DWS, I don’t believe he would’ve experienced the same level of hate.
PsiFighter37
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: You realize how pathetic it is that Berniebros like yourself are reduced to advocating for a little-known fringe candidate in a congressional district? At least the netroots, when it had its act together 10 years ago(!), got a vice presidential nominee (Lieberman) effectively kicked out of the party.
Bernie is a day late and several dollars (perhaps 27?) short of having any kind of organized movement.
Baud
@sdhays: I think that’s one thing we all agree on.
Davis X. Machina
From Philadelphia rally
Fair Economist
@dmsilev:
FTFY
Cacti
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
When have you ever argued policy, Hollandaise Bechamel?
Baud
@Davis X. Machina: How big is the rally?
Ultraviolet Thunder
I took a nap and this happened. At least I think I’m not dreaming.
Baud
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Happy birthday!
Cacti
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
So you take the Likud position on Iran.
Very progressive of you. Send more money.
D58826
@Arclite:
This is a dumb question but you do understand how our system works? Hillary can issue some executive orders which get tied up by GOP/Judicial watch law suits.She can nominate various progressive cabinet/agency heads that will never be confirmed by the Senate. And that is it. Anything else has to go thru Congress and the GOP would not give Santa Claus a thumbs up if they thought he was going to leave a gift under Hillary’s Christmas tree..
redshirt
@Anya: You’re probably right, but much of the hate Kaine gets is because of his run at the DNC, which was also perceived to be a total failure.
The only DNC chair held in high regard is Dean.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@Baud:
It’s great. Thanks again. Still.
Anya
@PsiFighter37: Bernie can’t seem to get over his own personal pique over losing to an unworthy politician. His answer to whether Kaine is a progressive was terrible. I want this election to end.
dmsilev
@Fair Economist: I think technically “a few hundred thousand”. I’m too lazy to look it up, but from memory, somewhere in the 2-300,000 range was the final margin after all the mail-ins and provisionals were counted.
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh36:
Now that’s what I call class.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Millions of Bernie supporters now feel vindicated after MONTHS of ridicule by Clinton supporters.
When I brought up issues, few people here engaged me in any meaningful way.
The Thin Black Duke
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Oh wow. Trump really is stupid, isn’t he?
gwangung
@Arclite: Given I don’t agree with you, yes, you do need a clue.
gogol's wife
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:
If that doesn’t hurt him, I don’t know what will.
Mnemosyne
@chopper:
Yeah, it’s almost like Russian-financed Wikileaks had some kind of motivation to try and screw with the Democrats’ general election apparatus to make it harder for them to fight against the Russian-financed Donald Trump.
Be careful what you wish for, because the person giving it to you might have goals of their own that you may not like.
Cacti
@dmsilev:
The final margin was 363,580 votes.
Wasn’t close at any point.
Davis X. Machina
@Baud: All the WSJ correspondent (@ByronTau) says is that it’s bigger than anything he saw in Cleveland….
The Thin Black Duke
@Arclite: Oh fuck that shit.
Baud
THE TRUMP TWEET IS A PARODY PEOPLE!!!
D58826
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Is that for real or is somebody trolling? Can’t imagine that even ‘old little hands’ would be that stupidly obvious
never mind. just saw bauds post.
gogol's wife
@Betty Cracker:
Oh, too bad. He’s just stupid enough to have done it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
The end goal of the “Revolution!” was to put Al Gore’s old campaign manager in charge of the DNC? I didn’t get that.
I still don’t get it.
But, you have my warmest….. congratulations.
Trentrunner
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: We’ve got the Democratic nominee (and likely President).
You’ve got the scalp of person who was head of something most people can’t name.
Enjoy!
Frankensteinbeck
@Cacti:
‘Trickle down social justice’ is brilliant.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
We care about a small district, because ordinary working class people recognize the entrenched corruption of the DNC establishment. It used to be DWS and her Ilk could slip by, unnoticed, without any real challenges. Not anymore.
Mike J
@D58826: dEnald Trump
Amaranthine RBG
Sanders said from the outset that the system was rigged against him.
Looks like the e-mails confirm that.
He didn’t just have to run against Clinton – he had to run against the entire democratic establishment.
SiubhanDuinne
@MattF:
No. Famously fake account (“denald” is a bit of a tell).
Shalimar
@Trentrunner: Honorary 50 state campaign chair, minus the parts of Florida represented by Republican friends. In those, we assume she will continue to honorarily sabotage Democratic campaign efforts.
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne: Yes, but Our Progressive Betters are too wise and pure to fall for that sort of manipulation. Just ask them; they’ll tell you so.
burnspbesq
No surprise: Berniacs crowing about DWS, and making noise about beating her in her House primary.
As much as I don’t like her, i will not stand for that shit. She’s getting a contribution.
Baud
@Amaranthine RBG: They don’t. Completely manufactured.
Cacti
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Bernie lost because he never connected with minority voters in any meaningful way.
hovercraft
They finally asked a protester about the resignation, he said it’s too late now, the primaries are over, now the only remedy is for Hillary to step down.
geg6
@Anya:
I’m not a fan of hers and I’ve criticized her a lot, but yes, misogyny is a major (top three, for sure) factor in the vitriol thrown at her, especially by the Bernistas. Much as it is with their deeply pathological hatred of Hillary.
gogol's wife
@Amaranthine RBG:
He should have had to run as a Socialist.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Davis X. Machina: I was afraid of that. It’s almost as if having Bernie Dumbledore spend eight months telling his followers that Hillary Voldemort was the real enemy because speeches is having some effect.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Trentrunner:
I find the use of the term, “scalp,” offensive. Please stop using it!
And I most certainly will enjoy this victory in our tiny political microcosm on the Internet!
Technocrat
@hovercraft:
And absolutely no one is surprised.
Betty Cracker
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Calling your bluff — link all the fangrrl comments I’ve posted about DWS. I won’t be voting for TC since I don’t live in that congressional district.
Arclite
@D58826: Yes, I understand she’s not a dictator, and has limited ability to affect change. However, she alone is still more powerful than any individual senator or other politician in the USA, and has the ability to effect compromise via the power of her position. With any luck we’ll get lot more Dems in the house and senate, and will be able to get some good changes passed. My worry is that she’ll stick to “triangulation” practices instead of reaching.
gwangung
@Amaranthine RBG:
You’ll need to cite something. And then connect to something the DNC did in the real world.
Baud
@hovercraft: They were never gettable.
Shalimar
@Amaranthine RBG: Sanders was running against the entire Democratic establishment because he had personally pissed most of them off during his long career. Also, too, even if DWS put her thumbs on the scale, the DNC didn’t have the power to influence the results enough to change them.
Anya
@redshirt: I think Kaine gets a lot of hate because some people are too lazy to go beyond headlines. They don’t know much about Kaine’s policies but they’re convinced he’s a “corporatist”. I’ve seen so many Bernie Bros repeating this: “He’s a Wall Street Hack and a slap in the face to Bernie voters.” I’ve asked many of them to give me an example of how he’s a Wall Street hack but no one can give me an example. I’ve been called a bot and other insults but no concrete example. I pointed out that the Conservative Heritage Foundation rated Kaine lower than Bernie when it comes to conservatism.
Emma
@LanceThruster: California vote: Clinton 2,713,259; Sanders 2,326,030. That’s a difference of 387,229 votes. No way in hell was Bernie going to win California. Even with a headwind and Loki helping out.
(ETA: got the numbers from a NYT article)
Ultraviolet Thunder
@hovercraft:
That actually made me laugh. And the parrot laughed too.
Frankensteinbeck
@Amaranthine RBG:
Actually, they confirm that it didn’t. Someone brought up the idea, and was told no, the DNC wouldn’t play that game.
Trentrunner
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: You can’t make me: Scalp. Scalp. Scalp.
See what it’s like to deal with childish assholes who can’t lose gracefully?
The Thin Black Duke
@Amaranthine RBG: They’re a reason why Bernie didn’t get the maority of the African-American vote. I would explain it to you, but why bother? You won’t listen either.
Cacti
@Frankensteinbeck:
Can’t take credit for it.
It came from one of our African American posters. I think it was Patricia Kayden or rikyrah.
Steeplejack
@Technocrat:
For future reference: “realDenaldTrump” is a spoof account.
Arclite
@gwangung: I said, “Economic insecurity is a huge source fanning the flames of minority demonization.”
You said, “And one compounds the other.”
That’s the same.
dmsilev
@hovercraft:
That’s really it. They refuse to admit that Sanders lost. And no, people at the DNC writing internal emails that said unkind things about Sanders in May, when it was obvious to anyone who could count that he was going to lose, is not “rigging” the election. Especially since The Wicked Witch of the Southeast, excuse me DWS, quashed the talk of actually doing something against Sanders. He lost. He doesn’t get to be the nominee. He doesn’t get to pick the veep. He lost.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Anya:
It’s because he’s a conservative, blue dog democrat. Remember those “I AM A CONSERVATIVE” ads he ran in ~’06?
Dude literally said he was Pro-TPP before he was announced the VP.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Reminds me of the Tea Bagger Rachel Maddow interviewed who said he opposed Eric Holder because of his voting record in the legislature
Bernie baggers. All we fucking need.
Tom Q
Remember during the primaries, when Bernie/Hillary were asked about the Flint crisis? Hillary outlined what she’d do to fix the crisis; Bernie told us how he’d demand resignations. This is what too much of the Sanders movement was/is about: gestures, not actions-to-repair.
Like many, I wasn’t in love with DebbieWS (starting with her love-in with the GOP reps in FL), and I definitely supported her not chairing the convention — why offer the networks the bad optics of Berniefolk booing her every time she appeared? This is a step further than necessary, and I agree about the problem of appeasing bullies. But there are times when you just want to shut off the outrage faucet, and, for all but the least reasonable, this should do the trick. (Anyone further in outrage territory than Ben Jealous can’t possibly be taken seriously.)
sdhays
For about a day or two, I was really excited about Canova’s challenge of DWS because of her craven efforts to defang the CFPB (which is one of the things that I think should be a red line if you’re the DNC Chair) and was going to contribute to his campaign. And then he opened his mouth and attacked DWS from the right on the Iran deal. So then it became trading one rotten Democrat on banking issues for another rotten race-based candidate on foreign policy. As I recall, not only did he attack her from the right, he made an explicit race-based attack, saying that DWS wasn’t a Jew (or not a good one; I don’t know whether she is Jewish or not since I don’t know why it should matter) for not opposing the Iran Deal.
A guy like that is not a step up from DWS, so I’ll be happy if she just goes back to being a crappy Congresswoman and stops being a crappy leader of the whole party.
PsiFighter37
@Davis X. Machina: Fuck Bernie
D58826
@LanceThruster: He lost Calif. by 300k+ votes. The ‘presumptive nominee’ call was by the media not the Clinton campaign and it happened the night before Calif. had it’s primary. And as others have noted he would have had to win in Calif. by 68% to have a shot at closing the elected delegate gap. He lost whichever way you want to slice the apple – votes, states won, delegates won.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
And let’s not forget DWSs disgusting position on predatory pay-day lenders. She fully supports ripping off poor people.
redshirt
@burnspbesq: I’m hoping Bernie finds himself in a primary during his next election.
Yutsano
@Arclite: The real problem is that more than half of what is necessary to fox that is controlled by Congress. And until Congress lets go of its death grip on doing as much nothing as possible, that ain’t gonna change.
gwangung
@Arclite: Actually, they don’t. But it’s not something that needs to be discussed at length right now.
Hal
@Anya: What I’m not understanding is the people who keep throwing Elizabeth Warren’s name out there in voicing their disappoint in Kaine. Why lose a solid progressive voice in the Senate in a state where the Republican governor would appoint her successor? Even if a Clinton Warren ticket won they would just be encountering more opposition. Makes no sense to me at all.
D58826
@sdhays:
I guess taking pot shots at your opponents religion is only a crime when the DNC does it.
redshirt
So how about some predictions on Bernie’s behavior from here on out?
– Does anyone think his DNC speech will be anything but his stump speech with a lukewarm endorsement tacked on the end?
– Does anyone think Sanders will stump on behalf of Clinton?
– Does anyone think Sanders will appear at a campaign even with Clinton? With Obama?
Emma
@Tom Q: Wanna bet? The faucet won’t shut off. Dr. Bernie Frankenstein’s monster is loose.
Trentrunner
Now the bros are tweeting that Donna Brazile is no good either because she also insulted Sanders’ followers…somehow.
Probably by being both female AND black. How dare she? HOW DARE SHE?!?
Baud
@D58826: even when the DNC doesn’t do it.
burnspbesq
Scalp! Scalp! Scalp!
Frankensteinbeck
@Cacti:
It beautifully turns the ‘racism is how rich people keep us down’ argument on its head. And Jesus, it really rubs in how insulting that argument must seem to victims of racism.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@PsiFighter37:
Don’t blame Bernie. Lol
What more do you want him to do? He’s literally campaigning with Clinton right now under the banner of unity.
OTOH, you can def blame us leftists for going rogue and creating political alternatives to the DNC status quo.
Shalimar
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
No. Link to proof, please.
Obama is pro-TPP. It’s a horrible position for American workers, but supporting it doesn’t make one a CONSERVATIVE.
hovercraft
@Baud:
He’s a delegate from Ohio, I wonder how many of these whackos will be in the hall.
Weaver said that the fight goes on, they did not lose because of DWS, but they were hurt by the bias. But the dream will never die, the fight goes on, they won many victories, and they will change the democratic party.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Holy shit.
I knew you were completely ignorant about policy but … holy shit.
Here’s a little cluebat for you: opposing the nuclear deal with Iran guarantees that the US will continue to kill civilians in the Middle East for decades to come, and probably means that we will add Iranian civilians to the list.
But, hey, you got to show that bitch DWS what’s what, so who really cares about the consequences of the Iran deal being reversed, right?
Ultraviolet Thunder
@redshirt:
The deal used to be Bernie caucused with the Dems and the Dems wouldn’t run against him.
We’ll see what happens.
Anya
@Amaranthine RBG: The only thing those email leaks proved is that staff at a political organization were being political. Shocker. Also, some of them suggested a terrible strategy that no one used. Bernie lost because he couldn’t convince enough voters to vote for him. Grow the fuck up and get over it. Our country is in danger of being run by a narcissistic White Nationalist. We don’t have time for this silliness.
SiubhanDuinne
@The Thin Black Duke:
No denying that, but the tweet is from a fake account. Look carefully at the name.
redshirt
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Hey UT, as the greatest Road Warrior at BJ, can you share any wisdom you’ve learned about traveling via plane?
Baud
@hovercraft: Ugh. He will be the Joe Wilson of the convention.
geg6
@Arclite:
No, it’s not.
Jesus.
pseudonymous in nc
@Amaranthine RBG:
Given that he was Party of Bernie for so long, the entire Democratic establishment bent the rules so that he could run as a Democrat, because they felt it was better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.
So, Bernie and the Busters… where are you going to piss?
rikyrah
THE R.N.C. ON TV: IVANKA’S WEAPONIZED GRACIOUSNESS
By Emily Nussbaum
JULY 22, 2016
………………………………
Then there’s Donald Trump with Ivanka. Poised and polished and smiling, she’s the lovely daughter whose good manners have been lauded ever since she appeared in the 2003 Jamie Johnson documentary “Born Rich.” In a truly addled form of grading on a curve, when it comes to kids from Ivanka’s background, simply being polite, graduating from your father’s alma mater, and then going to work for him are all perceived as remarkable achievements. Marketing her low-end designer clothes on Twitter, Ivanka is a sub-brand of her father, a walking aspirational life style: the Lean-In Working Mom. She is also pretty clearly not a Republican. She should be likable, a role model. In fact, if Trump weren’t her dad, it’s easy to imagine her #WithHer, working alongside her former friend Chelsea.
Instead, Ivanka’s made the choice to use her gifts to prop up her father’s ugly and xenophobic campaign, employing her charm as a kind of weaponized graciousness. She’s his consort, because Melania can’t be. And could Donald be bad, if Ivanka is good? Where Donald is rude, Ivanka is polite. Where Donald makes piggish insults, Ivanka shrugs: “Oh, Dad!” In last night’s seductive speech, with her corporate-P.R.-wiz delivery, she offered the same anodyne generalizations that her siblings and stepmother made in their speeches. Her dad inspired them; he taught good values; he can be trusted. It was like a Mad Libs compiled from Successories motivational posters, very different from the rambling but endearingly specific stories delivered by one of her father’s old business cronies, just before she took the stage, the one who described himself as “an anchovy on an Ivanka Caesar salad.”
……………………….
Before Ivanka’s performance, her brother, Donald, Jr., predicted that his sister would succeed, because she “does the princess thing very well.” Her royalty is what makes her father’s royalty feel real. You’re not supposed to criticize someone’s daughter—and, if the press does, Trump will surely be able to score points by defending her. But this is the ugly truth: Ivanka has made a conscious choice to deodorize the stink of her father’s misogyny, to suggest that because he loves her that means he loves women—to erase the actual policies he supports. She could have stood by his side and smiled in mere family solidarity. She could have used her newborn or her work as an excuse to stay away from active campaigning. Instead, she’s stepped forward to blind female voters to who her father is and what he stands for.
Iowa Old Lady
Sam B recently interviewed both a Trump convention delegate and a Sanders one. I was much more incensed at the Sanders one, who said she never could vote for Clinton even if that meant Trump became president. The Trump one taught history from a Christian perspective. You were never going to disrupt her world view. It ran too deep. But the Sanders one had what the nuns used to call “vincible ignorance,” ie ignorance that could have been remedied. I wanted to slap her smug face.
Shalimar
@Trentrunner:
I have seen this game before. It is how Republican congressional leaders negotiate. Even if you give them exactly what they ask for, they’re still outraged and want more.
burnspbesq
@redshirt:
I have the last two weeks of October 2018 blocked off on my calendar. I’ll be in Vermont, volunteering for the Democratic candidate.
You in?
Emma
@Mnemosyne: I think after today it’s clear they’re not progressives or socialists or any such thing. They are narcissistic nihilists.
D58826
@MattF: Yep a revolutionary idea I know. almost as revolutionary as believing the earth goes round the sun.
geg6
@D58826:
Except the DNC didn’t because DWS said to cut the shit.
I can’t believe these assholes are making me defend DWS!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
Keith G
Besides the cool news of DWS leaving (But really now? After all this time?), here is a cool thing that I read on the nets. I hope it is representative of others:
Link
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Trentrunner:
Ummm, outside of the Clinton bubble you’ve been living in, Brazile was well known for her autocratic tendencies. Especially at the DNC platform committee in Orlando, she was exposed as being a bully and a DNC hack.
The tea party of the left is raging in full swing.
Sacking DWS is the crack in the armor.
Emma
@Shalimar: Well, hell. I am already proven right. I didn’t expect it to take less than an hour.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Sorry about your scalp. You must be balding rapidly. Gotta be tough to look in the mirror every morning only to see your hairline recede and your SCALP advance.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
.
Didn’t she say that in a Clinton v Mussolini race, she would have to find out where Mussolini stood on climate change, and didn’t appear to be joking. To the same question, the Republican*, a guns for Jesus type, rolled her eyes and said of course Clinton. That Sanders delegate was damn near my idea of the perfect parody of a Berniebot, only she didn’t mention GMOs.
*Kendall Rhue (sp?) a never Trumper who’s been on MSNBC more than Michael Steel the last few weeks.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Emma:
So its narcissistic nihilism celebrating the end of DWS reign as the head of one of the two major parties in the most powerful country on earth? DWS hates poor people, hence her support of Predatory Payday Lenders!!!
Seriously, this is a good day for democracy, people!!!!
Keith G
Oh please, god no.
She eventually was campaign manager of the 2000 presidential campaign of Al Gore.
What? Bob Shrum is not available?
Cat48
Yes, Mr. Cole, let’s do whatever Berniebrats demand. The brats still protesting say getting rid of DWS IS NOT enough! Time for Hillary & Kaine to leave too bc Bernie really won. If the DNC won’t do that, Kaine has to go. Your favorite, Nina Turner, will pick a VP for Hillary. I wonder if I can get my donations to Hillary back. Bc clearly Berniebrats have too much power. I didn’t give money for a Bernie ShitShow. I voted Hillary bc Bernie is nuts.
Major Major Major Major
Oh hey, Hollandaise Bechamel is back.
SiubhanDuinne
@redshirt:
Pretty sure Al Giordano has already said he plans to primary Bernie in 2018.
Emma
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: bullshit. this is the day where there’s a solid possibility that another Florida district just went red. And when an innocent person was railroaded to please a bunch of little white boys who are still bemoaning the failure of their god.
Arclite
@The Thin Black Duke: On the one hand, sure, there’s racism even in the best economic circumstances. On the other hand, bad economic circumstances make racism worse as ethnic minorities feel the effects hardest and can be blamed (wrongly) for causing the problems. Racist calls like “They took our jobs!” and “THOSE lazy people don’t work and eat free steaks!” only gets worse during bad economic times.
Why is this even a debate? It’s obvious that 8 years since the bottom fell out of the economy this is THE driving factor behind Trump’s campaign, wrong-headed though it may be. Say what you will about the Bernie Bros, but at least they’re channeling their insecurity behind a candidate more focused on fixing inequality than laying blame (even while many complained about Bernie’s lack of focus in racial issues).
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@SiubhanDuinne:
So to counter my taking offense at racism against Native Americans, you discriminate against bald people!
You’re such a baldist.
If you type my name into google, then you’ll see whether or not I have hair :)
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@MattF: Gotta look for the e in Denald.
;-)
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
p.a.
I’m no fan of the DNC or D (don’t challenge my Repub friend Floridians) WS, but I think too many people (beyond B-Bots) are buying in to the Putinist/MSM ‘how horrible the DNC actively worked against Bernie’ frame. The Democratic National Committee worked against a non-Democrat vying for the Dem Presidential nomination. CARAZYTIME!
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
If you can’t win the game, bitch about the refs.
Still waiting for you to explain how defeating the Iran nuclear agreement will cause fewer deaths in the Middle East rather than the more deaths that every foreign policy expert says it would.
Keith G
@Cat48: Cool down a bit. And look up “argumentum ad absurdum“
The Thin Black Duke
@SiubhanDuinne: As usual, I saw that after I pressed “Post Comment”. My bad. Tn my defense, doesn’t it sound like something Trump would say?
WaterGirl
@Emma: I’m stirring pudding on the stove, so I can read but can’t really google. Who the heck is Nina Turner?
Major Major Major Major
@Arclite: lack of focus? Bernie doesn’t believe in racial issues.
gwangung
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
This is not very good troll bait. You need to up your game. Try not to post anything this stupid.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@redshirt:
Yeah: stay home. It’s a pain in the neck.
But seriously. Other than the obvious and well known traveler advice:
1) wear a light jacket even if it’s hot. Keep all of your pocket stuff in it until you’re through TSA. At TSA, cram the jacket in your carryon and put it through xray. TSA with junk in your pockets is a bottleneck.
2) use the john in the gate area before you board. Airplane toilets are awful.
3) if you’re changing planes, download Flightboard (free) on your phone so you can see your connecting flight’s gate as soon as you land. Then check the airline magazine’s airport map to plan your mad dash. because you probably will be late.
4) keep 500 calories of snax on you at all times so you don’t lose time if you’re in a hurry and it’s mealtime.
5) Bring earplugs and a book or music. The better to avoid your seatmates as necessary.
6) GPS is your friend. I’d lose my left hand to save my Garmin. Almost.
7) anything you have to have, you have to have 2 of. Cables, chargers, computer backup, pens, notes, tickets, credit cards, etc. Duplicate and separate so you don’t get caught short.
8) avoid Boston Logan unless you hate yourself and want to suffer. Manchester Boston Regional is lovely, and 45 minutes away.
Happy travels.
Mnemosyne
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Fix’d. You claim not to be dumb or politically naive, but your own comments show otherwise.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Emma:
HAH! Remind me under whose leadership the Democratic Party lost OVERWELMING majorities in the House and Senate????
Fuck DWS, she’s as red as they come. Sorry if millions of democrats don’t follow these DNC losers off the cliff.
Frankensteinbeck
@Arclite:
It’s obvious that eight years after the first black president was elected, why the Republican nominee would win his position on a platform of openly expressed white power.
EDIT – Note that the economy has steadily improved, but racism has gotten steadily more overt.
redshirt
@burnspbesq:
I hope you’re spending two weeks in VT for more than working against Sanders. Is this your vacation too?
As I travel to VT fairly regularly, I can be there. Not for two weeks though.
The Thin Black Duke
Hmm. So I see that the mask has fallen off Bernie’s enablers and what’s underneath ain’t pretty. I wish I could say that I’m surprised.
Mnemosyne
@Keith G:
Meh. By this point in the election, the head of the DNC takes his/her cues from the presidential campaign manager, who is Robby Mook. We’ll be fine, though it would have been better to not have Russian-financed ratfuckers force us to change horses in midstream.
Anya
@rikyrah: Honestly, I felt terrible for the Trump daughters. Both of them told very sad anecdotes that showed their hunger for their father’s love, attention and approval. Ivanka told the story about how she use to hide in Janitor’s closet during recess to collect call her dad, and he answered every time. The younger daughter talked about how her dad wrote notes on her childhood report cards. I find that incredibly sad. I have million little anecdotes about my dad that are meaningful and personal. I know they support a horrible man but I felt sorry for them.
Shalimar
@Emma
DWS resigned as National Committee chair. She hasn’t resigned from Congress. There is no chance she is going to lose her seat.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
I thought for sure this thread was headed north of 500.
This is so weird. Normally the whole thread piles on with FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK and PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS, THE ADULTS ARE TALKING!
Anyways, thx for that.
The Thin Black Duke
@Major Major Major Major: Ralph Ellison explained this peculiar affliction a long time ago.
Glidwrith
@LanceThruster: Look, asshole, the primary was basically over once New York was done, but the rest of us thought it was important that folks still get to put their votes where they wanted. With the gap only increasing with each state there was nothing wrong with the press declaring her the presumptive nominee though she had the class not to do so.
And NO, you miserable pustule, Bernie didn’t close the gap nor did he flip California. Go join the Dumpsters, they will go along with every delusion you have, since they cannot see reality either.
japa21
Let me put it in simple English for the Bernie fans who are creating such a big scene:
1. There is no evidence that the DNC did anything to subvert, suppress or destroy Sanders’ campaign.
2. Sanders lost despite there being no major anti-Sanders campaign.
3. Hillary treated Sanders with kid gloves. She could have campaigned hard against him rather than campaigning for herself and she would have blown him out all over the place.
4. Despite the conventional wisdom, the primary was never really close. The media tried to present it that way, but Sanders was never really in it.
I don’t expect actually laying out facts will mean anything to them. We are fortunate they represent a super small contingent.
Emma
@WaterGirl: Nina Turner is a former state senator for Ohio’s 25th district and served as the minority whip in the Ohio Senate. A Democrat, she has endorsed Senator Bernie Sanders for Democratic nomination in 2016, and has been actively campaigning for him. (Wikipedia). She got clobbered in the last election. She’s got a massive hatred for Hillary. Why I don’t know.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@The Thin Black Duke:
In light of the Wikileaks email hack, don’t you think the “Bernie enablers” have a point now?
The mask has fallen off the DNC Clinton enablers and NOT the other way around.
The people supporting Bernie have always been for poor, working class people.
Davis X. Machina
HA Goodman of Salon fame:
chopper
@bargal20:
so are we to assume that you’re okay with russia’s government ratfucking our election for trump? cause this is pretty fucking concerning to the rest of us.
Betty Cracker
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Still waiting, big-mouth. Link to my DWS fangrrl posts, or STFU. Hint: this isn’t one.
Johnny Coelacanth
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Who gives a shit?
SiubhanDuinne
@The Thin Black Duke:
Oh, absolutely it does! That’s what makes it such a good spoof account — like The Onion, there’s always enough plausibility that you read it, scratch your head, and say “Wait a minute….”
ThresherK
@Major Major Major Major: All Mother Sauces Matter. I don’t want to hear anything against Espagnole, Sauce Tomat, or Veloute, either.
Major Major Major Major
@ThresherK: white mother sauces matter!
Not blue ones though. Those you should throw out.
chopper
@The Thin Black Duke:
eh, bernie made it pretty clear early on that he wasn’t going to lose all that graciously and was borderline obsessed with getting DWS fired. the fact that russia made it happen apparently makes no difference to these guys.
redshirt
@Ultraviolet Thunder: I’m no where near your level, but I’ve never had a problem at Logan. Newark, on the other hand….
Also, I’m flying out of Logan on Monday. Hope you didn’t jinx me.
Emma
@Shalimar: She’s up for re-election. Has a lovely primary challenger that came out of nowhere and who thinks it’ll be a really good idea to scuttle the Iran nuclear agreement.
Technocrat
@Arclite:
None of the minorities scrambling to register think THE driving factor behind Trump’s campaign is economic. Take a second and ask yourself why.
Also, I’d love to hear from anyone who thinks wealthy suburbs are significantly less racist than poor white neighborhoods. They certainly may be less overt.
hitchhiker
I really admire Hillary Clinton and all the amazing people who will be speaking in her support next week. I really despise Donald John Trump and feel nothing but contempt for the willfully ignorant fools who stood up for him last week.
I feel nothing at all about Bernie Sanders. He’s a non-factor and has been since the middle of March. At some point his fans will understand this, or not, but it makes no difference to me.
Major Major Major Major
@Technocrat: they’re not any less racist, but they also vote red in fewer numbers. Uncomfortable people are more likely to lash out. It’s true.
Now, plenty of uncomfortable people aren’t racist at all, they just tend not to be white. It’s not an either/or situation. Racism and economics can both contribute. Like how terrorists tend to come from poor populations, but you still have your Bin Ladens too.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@redshirt:
I flew into Logan last week, had a traffic hassle getting up to Beverly and decided to fly home from Manchester after staying overnight in Salem.
Logan used to be worse but the renovations are being completed. The concourses are more modern now. Driving in the Boston area is still awful. I did Boston, Atlanta and Chicago in 7 days. The Trifecta of Traffic.
The Thin Black Duke
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Speaking as a poor, working-class African-American, I know you and your cult don’t give a fuck about me, so go back to your elitist, melanin-free circle jerk.
chopper
@Keith G:
do you know of somebody else who can walk into the job 3 something months before the GE and do it with no learning curve?
Mnemosyne
@Technocrat:
From what I’ve been told by my non-white friends (and white friends who grew up in Detroit who ventured out to the suburbs), the only real difference is that the wealthy suburbanites will call the cops to escort you away rather than taking matters into their own hands.
Shalimar
@Emma: I am not a DWS fan, but the one thing even her biggest detractors acknowledge is that she is a phenomenal fundraiser. She’s not going to lose a primary to a Bernie-backed, anti-Iran-deal nobody.
Major Major Major Major
@The Thin Black Duke: well the ‘white’ in ‘poor, working class white people’ is supposed to be silent when Bernie and his friends say it.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@Mnemosyne:
I live in a Detroit suburb and this is not untrue. Consider, however that my Detroit friends of all melanin saturations know the cops wouldn’t come whereas up here north of Eight Mile they actually do.
Emma
@Shalimar: I’m not worried about him. I’m more worried about the Republican.
Arclite
@Frankensteinbeck:
Sorry, but mostly wrong. American workers aren’t sabotaging the economy “because racism.” Our economic woes and insecurity are mostly due to large corporations manipulating the system to get greater gains for themselves at the expense of everyone else. Thus, union-breaking. Thus, NAFTA and TPP. Thus, shipping jobs overseas. Thus, allowing an oversupply of H1-Bs when there are plenty of qualified Americans to do those jobs. Thus, overseas tax-havens. Etc. Etc.
Technocrat
@Major Major Major Major:
Oh, I completely agree that poor racists are more likely to beat you up. Rich racists simply toss Roshanda’s resume.
Arclite was going with the trope that those in economic distress are actually more racist, which I don’t necessarily agree with.
Brachiator
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
No.
I don’t dispute their good intentions. Unfortunately, they are political incompetents, and lightweights who care more about whining and posturing than in getting anything done.
And I say this as someone who was not automatically a Clinton supporter, and who was eager to see what Bernie was all about.
Right here, right now, it’s about getting Hillary elected and doing maximum damage to the Republicans. Bernie and his supporters are important mainly to the degree that they can help Clinton win. After November. If there are any Bernie people who can help the Democrats, let’s see what can be done.
gogol's wife
@redshirt:
He’ll tell us to vote our conscience.
The Thin Black Duke
@gogol’s wife: And gogol’s wife drops the mic.
Mnemosyne
@Anya:
I never thought that anything could ever make me sympathetic towards Jerry Fallwell, but then I read the “funny” story about his father killing someone’s beloved cat in order to play a cruel practical joke on them. And my first thought was, Now imagine what a guy willing to do that was like at home behind closed doors. No wonder Fallwell turned out the way he did.
gogol's wife
@hitchhiker:
Co-sign!
WaterGirl
@Amaranthine RBG: Does anyone really think the system wasn’t “rigged” against Barack Obama in 2008? That’s what party insiders get to do, right? Put their finger on the scale whenever and wherever they can?
Is Bernie so naive that he doesn’t understand how politics works?
gogol's wife
@The Thin Black Duke:
I always wanted to do that!
gogol's wife
@hitchhiker:
I normally don’t look forward to political conventions, but I am definitely looking forward to speeches by Obama, Warren, Kaine, Bloomberg (!), and even Big Dawg if they’re letting him show his face. And Hillary!
Mnemosyne
@Arclite:
Then why do a majority of them vote Republican, particularly in the South?
D58826
@WaterGirl: The party ‘put it’s finger on the scale’ when they decided to clear a path for his Senate run and not put up a democratic challanger.
hovercraft
@WaterGirl:
Yes it was, but Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate. That is what Weaver has said in the past when the question was asked. No one ever followed up to ask why Sanders would try to primary a once in a life time candidate. But Sanders is not special enough to overcome the establishment.
Shalimar
@Emma:Who is the Republican running against DWS? She has never gotten below 60% of the vote in a general election before. Iirc, it is one of the safest Democratic seats around.
Mnemosyne
@gogol’s wife:
SiubhannDuinne posted a link to the convention website where they have the constantly-updated list of speakers. As of yesterday, Bernie was the opening act for Michelle Obama. The Big Dawg is speaking the night before Hillary does. And, of course, POTUS is speaking as well.
Arclite
@Yutsano:
I don’t disagree, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t still radicalizing. Whether they identify the actual reasons for the problem or just scapegoat some convenient minority will determine whether they vote for someone offering solutions or a demagogue.
Arclite
@gwangung: You said, “Bigotry doesn’t need an excuse.” That goes with out saying. I’m saying, it gets worse during economic downturns. And you’re arguing with me and telling me I’m clueless? There are scientific studies proving this stuff. Why are you even arguing with me? Do you just like to argue?
The Thin Black Duke
@Mnemosyne: It’s weird, ain’t it? The Archie Bunkers in this country will consistently vote against their best interests again and again and reward the monsters who outsource their jobs, deny them affordable health care, and send their sons and daughters to war. But no, racism doesn’t have anything to do with it.
Emma
@Shalimar: I hope. Florida’s volatile these days. One thing I do know: if I were her, from now on it would be much harder for me to trust my Democratic colleagues.
Maybe’s just my bad mood.
WaterGirl
@Emma: thank you!
redshirt
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Oh sure, traffic around Logan sucks. Even after the Big Dig Boston car traffic sucks donkeys. I’ve just never seen anyone hate on Logan, and given your travel history, I’ve got to take it seriously. I’ve never seen it myself and fly in and out of Logan regularly.
Technocrat
@Arclite:
I absolutely agree that people are radicalizing. What I’m not so certain of is that some “fix” exists. Some of the drivers of inequality are emergent network effects. You can’t have people spending billions of dollars at a handful of vendors without inequality rising. Every dollar you spend at Amazon (instead of your local store) exacerbates the problem. Walmart kills small towns because people shop at Walmart.
I’m sure they are some possible legislative remedies. But would those be enough to stem the tide?
Arclite
@Shalimar: Teh Google. Iz hard. Took me 30 seconds:
CarolDuhart2
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Of course, what he has done doesn’t impress you, especially in a state where the majority of voters are pretty much military and conservative, where the capital of the Confederacy was.
This is what’s happening with the Dems like what happened with the Tea Party. Frankly, I’m proud that we have conservative Dems as well as liberal ones. Not every American is a Bernie Bot, and if we can get Dems that can be at least a little better than Republicans they and us prosper.
Face it folks-“the corruption” isn’t about money changing hands. It’s about not adoring their idol Bernie sufficietly. That DWS probably believes that an old cranky man is less than adequate and that his spoiled brat followers less than appealing is not corruption.
Arclite
@geg6: Fine explain it to me, because I keep throwing up examples and you people are just like Repubs saying “No” without offering any counter examples. If I’m wrong, show me. Instead, I get exasperated sighs like “Jesus” and ad homenims like “Clueless.”
Cacti
@Glidwrith:
FTFY
That was when Sanders fell behind decisively and permanently.
Miss Bianca
@Amaranthine RBG:
Which, since he *wasn’t* a Democrat, and should never have been allowed to become one simply for the purpose of running for President, he should have had to do from the beginning.
Bernie Sanders and the Sandernistas are like those wasp parasites that seem strangely intent on killing their party/hosts by trying to eat it from the inside out.
Maybe DWS does deserve to go, after all, since she presided over this shitshow happening.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Arclite: 11 years ago.
What has changed in the last 11 years? Hmm…
NYMag:
(Emphasis added.)
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
Arclite
@Major Major Major Major:
Right, but that’s my point. People vote on issues that affect them personally. Would you rather have white voters supporting a candidate with overtly racist “They took our jobs!” or a candidate focused on fixing overall income inequality, even if he’s not that good at racial issues specifically.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Cacti: The race was over when he didn’t crush Hillary in IA and NH. Those were states that were tailor made for him to show the magic of his “Revolution”. He didn’t do it and he was dead-man-walking from Wednesday February 10 on.
Cheers,
Scott.
Cacti
@Arclite:
I’ll take door number 3, neither of the above.
I’ll take a candidate who will run with the coalition that won us the White House the last 2 times, rather than the one who wants to fruitlessly chase the working class white vote.
Glidwrith
@Cacti: Gracias.
D58826
@Miss Bianca:
Is that what makes for an insurgent candidate. (sigh)
Arclite
@Frankensteinbeck: It doesn’t matter if the economy has improved if people haven’t perceived it as improving. And they haven’t. Perception of your position drives your vote.
Cacti
@Arclite:
Correct. Minorities didn’t vote for Bernie because he disregarded the issues that affected them personally. He was another white Marxist boof peddling the white fantasy that economics will fix institutional racism.
Arclite
@Technocrat: Trump’s campaign has massive support from people with racist tendencies. Racism has many drivers, one major one is the bad economy. There are studies showing this stuff.
Trump triumphed because he made an appeal to overt racism. That he could get away with it shows how strong that sentiment has become. Why is that? What has happened in the last 8 years? 1. Obama and the overt racism surrounding his presidency. 2. A shit economy, which drives racist sentiment.
Arclite
@Cacti: Oh, absolutely. I was never discussing why black people didn’t vote for Bernie. I was discussing why lower-class white people were voting for Trump.
Uncle Cosmo
@Trentrunner: The reason the little twit Hollandaise Bechamel is so sensitive about the world “scalp” is that, when trying to give himself a buzz cut with a belt sander last month, his hand slipped and he no longer has one.
Maybe next time you can try lighting a blunt with a blowtorch & burn your face off, you twerp.
Arclite
@Technocrat:
Disagree all you like, but it’s not my personal opinion, or the way I wish the world to be. It’s a proven, measurable phenomena.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Arclite: How many people voted in January?
The University of Michigan Index of Consumer Sentiment (3 month moving average) is at the highest level since January 2007. (See the Excel link).
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
Arclite
@Mnemosyne:
But voters aren’t being economic nihilists when they vote for Repubs. John Republican says, “Those people are getting free steaks!” so racist people vote for John, and in the South he gets elected. Then John takes $15M in campaign contributions from corporations X, Y, and Z who then lobby him to loosen up import restrictions and H1-Bs for their businesses. Which destroys the economy. Now this kind of lobbying can effect both parties, but certainly the Repubs are the more pro-business party.
Arclite
@Technocrat:
Bleh. Hard to say. I would hope so. I’m so depressed about the American economy right now. The monopolies and duopolies in so many industries. The union breaking. The capital flight and tax havens. The lobbying and campaign contributions to further rig things in favor of big business over regular workers.
Arclite
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Wasn’t arguing his current views. Someone said back in 2006 he was a conservative. Someone else asked for proof. I provided it. I wasn’t saying anything about his views now.
Arclite
@Cacti:
Well, sure. I voted for Hill in the primary and will again in the general. But for a lot of people out there during the primary, she was off the table. Now that it’s over, my hope is those people will choose governing competency over overt racism.
J R in WV
@Anoniminous:
More power to you all! That is what adults do, get up and keep on going.
I’m doing what I can… contributing, and will volunteer.
Best of luck to you!
Mnemosyne
@Arclite:
And when those racist voters find out that John Republican did that … they vote for him again. And again. And again. Because their fear that Those People might get free steaks is stronger than their desire for good jobs or a functional government.
That’s why you’re getting so many sighs. Obama and the Democrats implemented the largest social program in 40 years, one that is literally saving people’s lives, and racist voters immediately turned around and voted Democrats out of office because they heard that Those People were going to benefit from Obamacare just like everyone else and they would rather go without health insurance for themselves and their families than have Those People get the same benefits.
Mnemosyne
@Arclite:
They’ve never done it before in the past 30 years, so I’m not sure why you think they’ll do it this time. IMO, our best bet is to increase voter turnout among non-racist voters, not hope that racist voters will finally see the error of their ways.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Arclite: Kaine wasn’t a “conservative” in 2006. A reprint of a Raising Kaine article from 2006:
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
Dalai Rasta
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: We care about Czechoslovakia, because the proletariat recognizes the entrenched corruption of the Dubček government. It used to be Dubček and his subversives could slip by, unnoticed, without any real challenges. Not anymore.
Citizen Alan
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Thank you for bringing Tim Canova’s name to my attention. I don’t know who the hell he is, but since you’ve recommended him, I can safely assume he’s another Bernie-Ass who shouldn’t be allowed to scrub toilets at DNC headquarters let alone in a position of authority which he can abuse to wreck the Democratic Party.
Citizen Alan
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
I find your mewling presence on this site offensive. Ain’t free speech a bitch sometimes.
Also: SCALP!
Dalai Rasta
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Ummm, outside of the Western bubble you’ve been living in, Imre Nagy was well known for his autocratic tendencies. Especially at the Council of Ministers in Budapest, he was exposed as being a capitalist running-dog and a subversive.
Dalai Rasta
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Applejinx
@hovercraft: Is it that hard to believe that Clinton got better?
AnotherBruce
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Now you know there’s too much nuance in Kaine’s abortion positions. That aint allowed!
J R in WV
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Are your brains more hollandaise or bechamel?
In what universe is this kind of divisive bull shit a good thing when fighting both a nazi maniac here and a russian tsar at the same time?
J R in WV
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
These “issues” are so much tripe compared to the real issues facing the country, and you specifically are not doing anything to help with the real issues.
1) Why would anyone expect a political party to support an outsider who hasn’t ever lifted a finger to help anyone in that party over a woman who has spent her entire adult like working for that party?
2) No one in the DNC actually did anything more than talk about how to deal with the outsider who is still to this day fucking with the Democratic party.
3) The emails are being released by Russian hackers to benefit a Republican nominee who can destroy the NATO alliance, the American way of life, and the world economy. Are you proud of that future? Why are you working, hoping to bring it about?
Ella in New Mexico
Because they accepted Sanders as a Democratic candidate.
Because they told the voters every thing was neutral.
Because they lied, and tried to sway the election.
If this was anyone other than Hilary Clinton, who I will still happily vote for over Trump, YOU would be arguing otherwise.
That, my friend is HYPOCRISY. And it does not reflect the Democratic Party I have supported so far. Because, GUESS WHAT: WINNING IS NOT EVERYTHING FOR MOST HUMAN BEINGS IN THE UNITED STATES.
redshirt
@J R in WV: As long as a Democrat doesn’t win, whatever.
Origuy
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Why do you assume scalping is a racist reference to Native Americans? Scalping is mentioned in Herodotus as a practice of the Scythians of Central Asia.