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You are here: Home / Moving on Out

Moving on Out

by John Cole|  July 24, 20163:55 pm| 376 Comments

This post is in: Democratic Stupidity

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Don’t have any problems with this:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Democratic National Committee chairwoman, faced rising pressure to resign her position on Sunday after a hack into the party’s internal emails revealed she and top aides had actively attempted to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential bid.

Ms. Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman, was meeting with advisers behind closed doors at a hotel here, a day before the party’s convention was set to begin.

Asked if Ms. Wasserman Schultz intended to resign, the D.N.C. communications director, Luis Miranda, said he would not comment on the record and swiftly got on an escalator.

A spokesman for Hillary Clinton’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request about whether her team was seeking the chairwoman’s resignation.
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But on the eve of Mrs. Clinton’s nominating convention, some prominent Democrats, including friends of the Clintons, have begun to openly call on Ms. Wasserman Schultz to step down and spare the party of a distraction this week.

“In politics, you need to not only to know when to draw your sword, but also when to fall on it,” said James Carville, a longtime friend and adviser to the Clintons.

Representative Debbie Dingell of Michigan was even more blunt: “She needs to resign before it gets worse.”

Ms. Wasserman Schultz has already been stripped of her speaking role at the convention, according to a senior Democratic official, and the daily job of gaveling the sessions in and out has been turned over to Representative Marcia Fudge of Ohio. The moves were taken by many in the party as a barely veiled signal that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign wanted Ms. Wasserman Schultz’s resignation.

I saw another story in which people were suggesting that Julian Castro could take over the position. What about Nina Turner?

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    Man With Autism in Police Shooting of Charles Kinsey ‘Traumatized’: Family
    July 23, 2016

    The man with autism who police union officials in North Miami say was the intended target in an accidental shooting of his unarmed caregiver was left “traumatized” by the incident, his family said Saturday.

    The family of Arnaldo Rios-Soto argued that law enforcement officers need better training in dealing with people who have mental disabilities.

    Since Monday’s shooting, Rios-Soto is “not sleeping, he’s not eating, he’s not the same anymore,” his sister, Mariam Rios, told reporters.

    Rios-Soto, 26, had wandered from the MacTown Panther Group Homes and was being assisted by therapist Charles Kinsey when police responded to a 911 call about a suicidal man with a gun.

    Rios-Soto was unarmed but clutching a toy truck.

  2. 2.

    bystander

    July 24, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    The media are going to want this to be the number one topic tomorrow.

  3. 3.

    lamh36

    July 24, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Julian Castro..sure..

    Nina Turner…HELL NAW

    Debbie’s out huh…cool.

    Does this mean no bullshit from Bernie-bros at convention?

  4. 4.

    Johnny Coelacanth

    July 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Let’s make Barney Frank the head of the DNC.

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Trump On Muslim Ban: It’s Not A Rollback, It’s An Expansion!
    By SARA JERDE
    Published JULY 24, 2016, 10:10 AM EDT

    Donald Trump insisted in an interview aired Sunday that he was not rolling back his Muslim ban, rather his new stance could be considered an expansion.

    NBC News’ “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd asked Trump about a line in his speech at the Republican National Convention, in which he said that the United States should, “immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism.”

    Todd noted that it seemed like a “rollback” when compared to the “complete and total shutdown” of Muslims from entering the country, which he proposed earlier this year.

    “I actually don’t think it’s a rollback. In fact, you could say it’s an expansion. I’m looking now at territory,” Trump said. “People were so upset when I used the word Muslim. Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m okay with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.”

    Trump went on to say that he loves the nation’s constitution.

  6. 6.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    A DNC chair needs to be good at 2 things: raising funds and getting out the vote.

    Nina Turner doesn’t have enough national reach for either. Castro seems a bit more connected.

  7. 7.

    MattF

    July 24, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    It’s a thankless task– just ask Reince.

  8. 8.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    I wonder who “the boss” was that said no the ratfvcking, if not DWS. Not that it matters. The Bernie-boys got their scalp and Democratic upper management are shown as cowardly chickenshits again. Sometimes I wonder why the hell I bother.

  9. 9.

    Mandalay

    July 24, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    I think there should be two pre-requisites for whoever gets the job running the DNC:
    – If the president is a Democrat you back him. If you can’t back the president then explain why, and then resign.
    – Nobody in Congress should get the job. It’s simply not humanly possible to do both jobs effectively.

  10. 10.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    Let’s make Barney Frank the head of the DNC.

    I think he would actually be a very good choice.

  11. 11.

    LanceThruster

    July 24, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  12. 12.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    July 24, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    I saw another story in which people were suggesting that Julian Castro could take over the position. What about Nina Turner?

    Maybe Susan Sarandon

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    sigh

    ……………………….

    Trump On Cruz: The RNC Crowd Would’ve ‘Ripped Him Off The Stage’
    By SARA JERDE
    Published JULY 24, 2016, 1:45 PM EDT

    Donald Trump surmised that the crowd at the Republican National Convention would’ve “ripped” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) off the stage had he not entered when he did.

    Trump reportedly stated on Showtime’s “The Circus,” that he wish he had waited to enter the arena because Cruz would’ve been booed off the stage. Cruz took the stage at the RNC, asking the audience to “vote your conscience,” but not endorsing Trump.

    “I walked in and the arena went crazy,” Trump said, as flagged by Politico. “Because there’s great unity in the Republican Party, and people don’t know it. Had I not walked in, I think that audience would have ripped him off the stage. I think I did him a big favor.”

    Trump got to read the speech beforehand, but thought it wasn’t “very good.” Trump said he thought it would’ve been a bigger deal to kick him out of the speaking lineup, and that it didn’t make a big different to have his endorsement.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    @Mandalay: I agree with that.

  15. 15.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    @Cacti: If they give it to Nina Turner I’m done. I will vote for Hillary in November but the DNC gets not one lousy penny from me.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    Agree.

  17. 17.

    Rob_in_Hawaii

    July 24, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    Or *Tina* Turner …

  18. 18.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    @Emma: Agree. Horrible suggestion.

  19. 19.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    Nina Turner?

    no.

    Either Castro – ok
    Secretary Perez – love him

  20. 20.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    @Emma:

    If they give it to Nina Turner I’m done.

    I don’t see a single thing that Turner brings to the table.

    She’s a lightweight even in state-level Ohio politics.

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    @Mandalay:

    I agree with your terms.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    @rikyrah: I don’t want Perez to resign from the DOL job.

  23. 23.

    chopper

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    yeah, i’m sure switching out the head of the DNC 3 months and change before the election is gonna work out great. better pick someone who already knows the job.

  24. 24.

    tobie

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Nina Turner? Are you serious? The woman is unhinged. I wouldn’t trust her with the gavel.

    As for DWS resigning, ok if ya’ll need a sacrificial lamb, but the quoted article misstates facts: the DNC didn’t “actively attempt” to sabotage the Sanders campaign. An exceedingly small number of emails suggest some members briefly considered this option and dropped it.

    This is a tempest in a teapot.

  25. 25.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    @Rob_in_Hawaii: We don’t need another DNC Chair….

  26. 26.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    I’m happy to say I have no idea who Nina Turner is. If she has anything to do with Bernie Sanders, she should STFU and go away. If not, never mind.

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    From BooMan:

    Picking Kaine is Taking the Pot Off Boil
    by BooMan
    Sat Jul 23rd, 2016 at 12:40:22 AM EST

    Here is what I said about Tim Kaine when he was just one of several names being floated as a running mate for Hillary Clinton. Here is what I said about Virginia being a very important state for blocking Trump’s stated Electoral College strategy.

    My immediate take is that Clinton just took the heat of this election down a notch. She didn’t look to polarize it further by picking a liberal firebrand or try to win some demographic arms war by responding to Trump’s anti-Latino legions with a Latino running mate. She didn’t pick someone who can throw bombs with Trump, like Al Franken.

    She went with steady, likable, qualified, compatible, and uncontroversial. Kaine can tick off a lot of boxes, too. He has the unusual ability to disarm detractors with his faith. His religiosity invites people in without putting them off. He’s bilingual and fluent in Spanish, and he has experience living in Honduras as a missionary. He’s well-liked by both labor unions and business interests, making it just a little easier for Clinton to capture the monied interests from Donald Trump at minimal cost with her base or as the cost of winning their support. He has more executive experience (as a mayor, lieutenant governor, governor, and head of the DNC) than any of the names that made it onto Clinton’s short list. He’s extremely well-liked and respected by his Republican colleagues in the Senate.

    He’s popular in his home state, too. He has never lost an election.

    Naturally, people will nitpick him. He isn’t from the left fringe of the party, and he’s probably temperamentally moderate by nature. He didn’t win all those elections in Republican-leaning Virginia by letting his liberal freak flag fly. He represents an extremely pro-business, pro-military state that until five minutes ago was culturally conservative to the core

  28. 28.

    S Kizzire

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Please not Nina Turner give her that sort of platform and the Democratic Party will be killed in its bed.

    NO Nina NO NINA

  29. 29.

    Capt Seaweed

    July 24, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    My party sure does stupid shit sometimes. They should stop doing that.

  30. 30.

    Eljai

    July 24, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Is Howard Dean available again?

  31. 31.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    I wish they’d told Bernie he could run as a Socialist. I really, really do.

  32. 32.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    I’m with Al Giordano: “…capitulating to a witch hunt rarely gets the desired results.”

    Ok, Berniebros, you have your fucking scalp. Now, get to work to elect Hillary.

  33. 33.

    Johnny Coelacanth

    July 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    @Cacti: Me too, and it would chap the berners’ asses so, win win.

  34. 34.

    LanceThruster

    July 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    @Cacti:

    Corporate Dems masked by a progressive social agenda are all the rage.

  35. 35.

    hamletta

    July 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    @tobie: Donna Brazile will step in as interim chair through the election.

  36. 36.

    hovercraft

    July 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    How about we make Nina the chairman of the Committee of the Democratic Party.
    EDIT : Ben Jealous is now willing to support Hillary now that DWS is gone. Aren’t we blessed.

  37. 37.

    PsiFighter37

    July 24, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    Seems like she’s gone.

    Fuck Bernie and his crew for being idiots and for being pawns of the Russians. I don’t like DWS, but this is pointless to do this on the eve of the DNC except to be spiteful.

    I hope they boot Bernie right out of the convention hall after he gives his speech. That fucker cannot go away fast enough.

  38. 38.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    Donna Brazile will serve as interim DNC chair through November election.

    Take that, you racist misogynist Bernie dudebros. Brazile will have NONE of your bullshit.

  39. 39.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    @hamletta:

    Good.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    @hamletta: Not bad.

  41. 41.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    @Trentrunner: Please. They’re filing a class-action suit over something or other. Plus demonstrations at the convention. This whole thing is the living example of “if you pay Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.”

  42. 42.

    eponymous coward

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    According to CNN DWS is gone at the end of the week. So there’s that. Pop some champagne?

  43. 43.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    “In politics, you need to not only to know when to draw your sword, but also when to fall on it,” said James Carville

    LOL, doesn’t get more direct than that.

  44. 44.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    Harold Pollack
    ‏@haroldpollack
    I’m perversely glad many Trump folk anti-Semitic. It forces some of us to confront bigotry we might overlook directed at Muslims, nonwhites.

  45. 45.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I think it’s how we got Bloomberg.

  46. 46.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    @Emma: Agree. This won’t stop.

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    @Cacti: Nina Turner doesn’t have enough national reach for either.

    and lost her statewide race in an important swing state by more than 20 points. Doesn’t suggest she’s a general you want.

    @Johnny Coelacanth: perfect, the Bernie bots learn what “Be careful what you wish for” means! and he’d be much better at the job.

    @Eljai: Is his lobbying contract with MEK running out?

  48. 48.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    DWS was a weak DNC Chair. Glad she has stepped down.

    @rikyrah: Just watching that video (and the one of the Black woman teacher in Austin being body slammed to the ground by a cop) is traumatizing to me so I can just imagine how Rios-Soto must feel.

  49. 49.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    Let’s make Barney Frank the head of the DNC.

    HELLZ YEAH

  50. 50.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    Daniel DaleVerified account
    ‏@ddale8
    Huh: Retired general John Allen, who led Obama’s anti-ISIS coalition and then resigned, will speak at the DNC before Hillary Clinton.

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    July 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    She’s out after the convention, according to this story in TIME.

  52. 52.

    Mandalay

    July 24, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    @eponymous coward:

    Pop some champagne?

    Yes!

    The chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee resigned Sunday after a trove of emails were disclosed showing DNC officials working to undermine the underdog presidential campaign of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/under-pressure-dncs-debbie-wasserman-schultz-limits-convention-role-1469376914

  53. 53.

    lamh36

    July 24, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    @AlGiordano 3m3 minutes ago
    Al Giordano Retweeted Luis Miranda
    Great job, dudebros. Try this shit with the fabulous @donnabrazile and she’ll have you for lunch! I’ll cook!

    @LuisMiranda
    DNC Vice Chair Donna Brazile will serve as Interim Chair through the election #DNCinPHL

  54. 54.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    and lost her statewide race in an important swing state by more than 20 points. Doesn’t suggest she’s a general you want.

    Not even a solid lieutenant, much less a general.

  55. 55.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    @MattF:

    It’s a thankless task– just ask Reince.

    You misspelt that. It’s spelled “Rinse”

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Defense OneVerified account
    ‏@DefenseOne
    How Putin Weaponized Wikileaks to Influence the Election of an American President

  57. 57.

    Brachiator

    July 24, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Guardian says DWS has resigned.

  58. 58.

    RAM

    July 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Wasserman Shultz overstayed her welcome by at least a year. Wish the Dems would get someone like Howard Dean (better yet, why not Howard), who I think was the best modern Dem Party chair.

  59. 59.

    Anoniminous

    July 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Senator Sanders on SOTU today. “I’m going to do everything I can to defeat” Trump

    Donna Brazile, DNC Vice Chair of Voter Registration has apologized to the Bernie camp for the “stupidity” of the emails and stated, “People will have to step down.”

    IOW it’s Party Unity all the way down.

    The Goal is to defeat Trump.

    The Goal is to take back the Senate.

    The Goal is to take back the House.

    We worked to carry my precinct and county for Bernie in the primary. He carried it. Now that same group is working to carry it for Clinton. Why? Because we’re grown ups, we know what is at stake, and that is what grown ups do.

  60. 60.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @rikyrah: Response to the fear mongering from Trump?

  61. 61.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Cacti: Donna Edwards (from my state of Maryland) would be a better choice.

    @Trentrunner: That’s great. Brazile did well in prior elections and will definitely rally the Black vote for Secretary Clinton.

  62. 62.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Emma: Apparently there is at least a fringe which is trying to force a vote against Tim Kaine as VP. I guess winning the primaries isn’t sufficient to give Hillary Clinton the right to select her running mate.

  63. 63.

    lamh36

    July 24, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    A Black woman and an Hispanic male…diversity…it’s what Dems do unlike GOP

    @keithboykin
    CNN reporting Julian Castro as a possible replacement to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

  64. 64.

    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: Donna Edwards. I like that.

  65. 65.

    CaseyL

    July 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    Eh. Clinton probably wanted DWS gone anyway – remembering, maybe, how Wasserman-Schultz prioritized friendship with a GOP representative over recruiting a good Dem candidate for that position – this just gets the job done a little sooner than expected.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    If y’all recall, the DNC has been operationally run by Hillary’s people after she clinched the nomination.

  67. 67.

    Steeplejack

    July 24, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    I presume the long blockquote at the top is from this New York Times story.

    I didn’t see anything there that supported the claim that “she and top aides had actively attempted to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential bid.” The only example given is this:

    One email, for example, revealed party officials discussing how to plant stories before primaries in heavily religious Kentucky and West Virginia that would highlight what they suggested was Mr. Sanders’s atheism.

    As has been reported widely, that idea went nowhere.

    The article also says:

    The hack of the Democratic committee’s emails, made public on Friday by WikiLeaks, offered undeniable evidence of what Mr. Sanders’s supporters had complained about for much of the senator’s contentious primary with Mrs. Clinton: that the party was effectively an arm of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign.

    The hyperlink at “undeniable evidence” goes to another Times article, “Released Emails Suggest the DNC Derided the Sanders Campaign.” Again, internal e-mails that apparently led to no action at all.

    I am by no means a D.W.S. fan, but this is pretty thin gruel. And it’s pitched in the anti-Clinton tone that has come to characterize the Times coverage of her.

    ETA: Holy shnikeys! This thread went from one reply to 64 while I was dawdling over my comment. I see a TBogg unit ahead!

  68. 68.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    @originalgriz
    White privilege: it’s nearly August, Donald Trump could be President, and you’re in the street for Bernie.

  69. 69.

    sukabi

    July 24, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    It looks like Donna Brazille is going to be interim DNC chair. Via crooks and liars

  70. 70.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    @dmsilev: I am telling you. They will be pushing their idiocy past the election. And our Democratic overlords will keep on caving in.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    @Steeplejack: It’s completely manufactured. But that’s politics.

  72. 72.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    Obama: Donald Trump’s nomination ‘says something’ about the Republican Party
    July 24 at 11:57 AM

    Eight years ago, Donald Trump lead the birther movement against then-President-elect Obama. Now, Donald Trump is the Republican nominee for president.

    In a taped interview with CBS’s John Dickerson that aired Sunday on “Face the Nation,” Obama said that fact “says something about what’s happened to the Republican Party over the course of the last eight, 10, 15 years.”

    He went on to say that past Republican leaders such as Bob Dole, Jim Baker, Howard Baker, Dick Lugar and Colin Powell were conservatives who “also understood that our system of government requires compromise, that Democrats weren’t the enemy, that the way our government works requires us to listen to each other.

    “And that’s not the kind of politics that we’ve seen practiced,” Obama said.

  73. 73.

    burnspbesq

    July 24, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    @lamh36:

    Does this mean no bullshit from Bernie-bros at convention?

    That may be the best piece of snark ever posted on this site. You owe me a new iPad.

  74. 74.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    @rikyrah: While everything that Booman said is true, we’re at a point in our nation where we don’t need safe any longer. The reason that Bernie and Trump and Cruz were contenders at all is that the electorate is fed up with safe. The pot won’t boil over yet, but this election is just a taste of what will come unless Hillary doesn’t attempt to implement some fairly “radical” (for America) changes. People feel insecure from a jobs and wealth perspective while the rich continue to suck up all the productivity gains. People are finally getting wise to it after 30 years. The young generation is the first in our nation’s history that will have a lower standard of living than their parents.

  75. 75.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    July 24, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    @Baud: He was former head of NATO and he’ll attack trump on that issue.

  76. 76.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Great. And maybe on Putin too.

  77. 77.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Stupid of DWS to leave a paper trail. Just sayin’

  78. 78.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 24, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    @Trentrunner: I was heartened to see that Ben Jealous, a fierce Senator Sanders supporter, has just endorsed Secretary Clinton and acknowledged that our side has to rally against the Fascist in the wings. Hoping that other Bernie-or-Busters come around now that DWS is out.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    @Arclite: There is no paper trail. Completely manufactured.

  80. 80.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    @Arclite:

    While everything that Booman said is true, we’re at a point in our nation where white people don’t feel safe in their cultural dominance any longer.

    Fix’d

  81. 81.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: Still don’t like him, but yes, that’s good. Eyes on the prize.

  82. 82.

    scav

    July 24, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    @Baud: Politics? Many things are manufactured. This is self-indulgence symbolism and fluff put on the front-burner (feel-the).

  83. 83.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    @Cacti: Thanks. I was too lazy to FTFY.

  84. 84.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    @Arclite: You mean white people are starting to get a taste what POC felt for the past 2 centuries?

    This right here is the bullshit that showed me Bernie would NEVER win and would never have my support.

    If action on behalf of POC in this country is not a foundational priority of your campaign, you are not qualified to be President.

    Also, I’ve rescinded my Thursday deadline for Berniebros to blow off their steam.

    Now that you have DWS’s scalp, we are done with you.

    Follow HRC, or get out of the way. (I left off “lead” because you’ve shown you can’t do that.)

  85. 85.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    This is entirely a nothingburger, and the only people who care about it are as follows:
    1. The media
    2. Berniebros
    3. Trump team looking to stir shit up
    4. Putin and allies.

    That’s not a very large group of people.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    @scav: Those aren’t mutually exclusive categories.

  87. 87.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    @lamh36:

    A Black woman and an Hispanic male…diversity…it’s what Dems do unlike GOP

    Hey, hey, hey. C’mon now. They have Ben Carson.

  88. 88.

    Davis X. Machina

    July 24, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    @dmsilev: This will continue until the People ‘fess up and admit they voted wrong.
    After all, the People have forfeited the confidence of the Vanguard Party.

    After the uprising of the 17th of June
    The Secretary of the Writers’ Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Stating that the People
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could win it back only
    By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?

    Bertold Brecht, Die Lösung

  89. 89.

    lamh36

    July 24, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    @ABCLiz 6m6 minutes ago
    Hillary Clinton’s statement on resignation of @DWStweets

  90. 90.

    Run, Lillian!

    July 24, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    Ugh. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t like DWS either but rewarding a relentless, bullying witch hunt with a scalp is not the answer.

    Just look at GOS today. The bullies are back, crowing about their persecution and vindication. You don’t reward people like that, they just keep demanding more and more and you get nothing in return. Now they want to force a vote on Tim Kaine?

    And a hell, no to Nina Turner.

  91. 91.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I see a TBogg unit ahead!

    Nah, it’ll burn out before 300.

  92. 92.

    MattF

    July 24, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: And a bit of Auden that just came up on Twitter.

  93. 93.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    Yamiche Alcindor (NYT) just tweeted:

    Ben Jealous to me moments after Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s resignation: “This allows us to heal and move on.”

    Fuck. Him. So. Much.

  94. 94.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 24, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    @rikyrah: It sure does. It says that they’re perfectly okay with bigotry and have no problem with racists now that they’ve nominated one as the head of their party. Republicans should never be allowed to downplay what they’ve done to their party by embracing Trump.

  95. 95.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    @Arclite: I don’t like her, and I guess I’m glad she’s gone a few months early, but her paper trail basically said, “C’mon you guys, knock it off”

  96. 96.

    scav

    July 24, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    @Baud: I know that. But this isn’t about real politics, with real consequences, it’s seriously vaporware Kinetoscope nonsense. It’s like capturing a pikachu and posting about your epic, self-affirming victory on the book of faces.

  97. 97.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    DWS is history’s new greatest monster.

    Okey doke. Let’s move on to the important stuff now.

  98. 98.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    @Emma: Clinton sure as hell isn’t going to cave on her choice of running mate; backing down on something like that would kill her campaign. Hopefully, this is just a few bitter-end fanatics who are more hot air than anything else.

  99. 99.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 24, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    DWS’s term was up in January. The chair is theoretically picked by the DNC, but the president usually presents his or her choice. So now what?

    Does HRC name someone? How do the Bernie people take that?

    Does someone do it temporarily? Maybe someone who’s done it before like, say, Howard Dean?

  100. 100.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    @Cacti: Exactly. Down with Kaine!

    jk

  101. 101.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    July 24, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    DonaId J. Trump ‏@realDenaldTrump 16h16 hours ago

    Very grateful to Vladimir Putin and his team for #DNCleaks. Hasn’t DNC learned anything about hiding campaign tactics since Watergate? SAD!

    262 retweets 330 likes

  102. 102.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    @Trentrunner: Meh, I wish he had been taking that line for the last few weeks, and if that’s how he’s going to move forward, I’m okay with that.

  103. 103.

    Run, Lillian!

    July 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    @rikyrah:

    That is brilliantly put.

  104. 104.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    @Cacti: On the Trump side that’s absolutely true, but it’s only part of the story. Economic insecurity is a huge source fanning the flames of minority demonization.

  105. 105.

    LanceThruster

    July 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    Bye Felicia!

    xD

  106. 106.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    HRC just tweeted that DWS will stay on as her honorary 50-state campaign chair.

    So suck on that, haters.

  107. 107.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    @dmsilev: This is purely symbolic. Compromising on the Veep would not be.

  108. 108.

    Fair Economist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    @rikyrah:

    conservatives who “also understood that our system of government requires compromise, that Democrats weren’t the enemy, that the way our government works requires us to listen to each other.

    “And that’s not the kind of politics that we’ve seen practiced,” Obama said.

    LOL. No-Drama Obama is master of the understatement as well.

  109. 109.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    July 24, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    Celebrations at Trump Tower and the Kremlin tonight!

  110. 110.

    MattF

    July 24, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Srsly?

  111. 111.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    @Arclite:

    On the Trump side that’s absolutely true

    Yeah, on the Trump side. ;-)

  112. 112.

    Betty Cracker

    July 24, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    @Mandalay: Makes sense to me.

    @Trentrunner: Yep. DWS’s ouster will embolden them, which is why I’m sorry the Dems caved, even though I’m no DWS fan.

  113. 113.

    lamh36

    July 24, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    The fact that MSM would rather focus on Bernie-bros rather than this part of the Wikileaks story. says something!

    Close your eyes and imagine that a hacking group backed by Russian President Vladimir Putin broke into the email system of a major U.S. political party. The group stole thousands of sensitive messages and then published them through an obliging third party in a way that was strategically timed to influence the United States presidential election. Now open your eyes because that’s what just happened…

    How Putin Weaponized Wikileaks to Influence the Election of an American President http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/

  114. 114.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    Fuck DWS

    This is justification for the millions who knew the DNC was colluding with the Clinton campaign.

    Why these front page posters kept promoting corrupt, establishment hacks when there was already overwhelming evidence of collusion is beyond me!

    Soooooooo happy right now :)

    Vote Tim Canova, he’s not crooked like DWS!

  115. 115.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    @redshirt:

    Putin and allies.

    In Putin’s Russia, the nothingburger eats you.

  116. 116.

    LanceThruster

    July 24, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    @redshirt:

    The MSM is complicit. Of course they’ll sweep it under the rug.

  117. 117.

    Betty Cracker

    July 24, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Spoof account FTW!

  118. 118.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    @dmsilev: Somebody needs to put their foot down on their necks. Hard.

    You know what I hate the most? The sons of bitches using documents that clearly show she told them there would be no dirty doings to clobber her. The uber-moral Bernistas that spent so many months calling the rest of us stupid corporate whores acted exactly like any ratfvcking politician and got away with it. I don’t care what they promise. They will NOT stop now.

  119. 119.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 24, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I seem to be unable to edit. FYWP.

    Anyway, Brazille is fine.

  120. 120.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    @tobie:

    This is a tempest in a teapot.

    Not if the Village has anything to say about it, it isn’t.

  121. 121.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    I just read Trumps tweets over the last couple of days. Amazing. Sad. This is the Republican party – literally a frat house of sexually frustrated juveniles.

  122. 122.

    LanceThruster

    July 24, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Nothingburger with beef, please.

    xD

  123. 123.

    MattF

    July 24, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Ah. Denald Trump.

  124. 124.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    @Run, Lillian!:

    Ugh. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t like DWS either but rewarding a relentless, bullying witch hunt with a scalp is not the answer.

    I haven’t really been paying that much attention, but it seems to me there’s been negative story after negative story about her for a couple of years now. Am I remembering wrong?

  125. 125.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    July 24, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    @Emma: Why should they, when the useful idiots are continually being sold that they can get what they truly want: Nach Trump, uns!

  126. 126.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    @Emma: The very conservative Max Boot on twitter is saying that it is Putin who got the scalp. So what has been accomplished here. A politician that 95% of the public never heard of, who is the head of an organization that 98 % of the public has never heard of resigns after a full day of media vapors over some e-mails. Look some of the things said in the e-mails were stupid but the ones causing all of the heartburn are from mid to late May. Bernie had already lost by then. Bernie’s supporters are all juiced up that he will NOW be able to declare victory and become the nominee.

    In the meantime ‘old little hands’ and his racist message gets a free pass. And the more important issue of Russian meddling in US elections and what ties if any Trump has with Putin are ignored. The GOP has been saying for years that Bill could have been blackmailed because of Monica and that Hillary could be blackmailed because of the e-mail server. Well what about a US President whose financial empire is in hock to Russian oligarchs joined at the hip to Putin. Doesn’t it seem like that is much more important than the fate of DWS. But then what do I know.

  127. 127.

    scav

    July 24, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    Not a single splinter of any progressive plank has been advanced a whisker. But certain pokers of poinythings pseudo concerns have been assuaged. Because, hey, let’s not get confused with what everything’s really about.

  128. 128.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Vote Tim Canova, he’s not crooked like DWS

    Vote Tim Canova, the “progressive” choice who wants to scuttle the Iran nuclear agreement.

  129. 129.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    @Trentrunner: Yep. DWS’s ouster will embolden them, which is why I’m sorry the Dems caved, even though I’m no DWS fan.

    Are you sure though? Should we go back and repost all the positive comments you’ve made in support of her!?

    So does this mean you’re voting Canova?

  130. 130.

    bargal20

    July 24, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Ooh, the russkies. Not the russkies! And “berniebros”! Oh my!

  131. 131.

    Ryan

    July 24, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    Woooohooooo!!!! Sadly, this will get more attention than Trump’s lobbying in the interests of Putin.

  132. 132.

    different-church-lady

    July 24, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    And y’all wonder why Tom Brady wouldn’t give up the phone?

  133. 133.

    Ghayduke

    July 24, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    I’m glad. DWS Should have been gone before the primary season started. Anybody who doesn’t recognize this as Clinton’s call is a fool.

  134. 134.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: With the presence of Becnel and Lance Thruster, odds of a Tbogg just jumped to 75%.

  135. 135.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    July 24, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    The guy at Stone Kettle station wrote a damn fine piece about Kaine yesterday.

  136. 136.

    MattF

    July 24, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @D58826: So, you’re suggesting that journalists should cover news stories? Sad!

  137. 137.

    Technocrat

    July 24, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:

    Is that real? I have trouble believing even he said that.

  138. 138.

    geg6

    July 24, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    That would be an inspired and inspiring pick.

  139. 139.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @Cacti:

    HOW BOUT THEM DWS EMAILS!?

    Do you understand now why millions of democrats know the DNC is corrupt?

  140. 140.

    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @Arclite: Let me put it to you politely: Get a clue.

    Bigotry doesn’t need an excuse. And one compounds the other.

  141. 141.

    BR

    July 24, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    I’m happy to see her gone, even if it is only because of this ugly Putin/wikileaks incident. Her media appearances were usually counterproductive or tone deaf, and she doesn’t seem to be into investments in a 50-state, local-level strategy that’s needed.

  142. 142.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    Never mind. Not worth it.

  143. 143.

    Technocrat

    July 24, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    @Arclite:

    She’s been the villain for a while now. I’m fine with firing her, but fire her for something she did, not something she averted.

  144. 144.

    LanceThruster

    July 24, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    @D58826:

    So he had already lost by then, yet the ratfucking of declaring her the presumptive nominee happened before the CA primary (very Nixonian). Plus, the count largely got flipped for Bernie.

  145. 145.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @gwangung: You make no sense. You tell me to get a clue, then you agree with me?

  146. 146.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @Ghayduke: Of course. Just like this was Obama’s call. Politics sometimes requires it.

  147. 147.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @D58826: Don’t worry. There’s a long ways to go and there’s no way even our media can keep the Putin influence under wraps.

    We should all make it our personal mission as well to spread these facts. Having Russia influence Trump might be the very issue which pushes some Trump voters from him.

  148. 148.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @redshirt:

    1000 COMMENTS!

    There sure is hella hate for DWS here :)

  149. 149.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    HOW BOUT THEM DWS EMAILS!?

    Do you understand now why millions of democrats know the DNC is corrupt?

    So you agree with Canova that the Iran nuclear deal needs to be scuttled then?

    Or (more likely) you probably just didn’t know that was his position.

  150. 150.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @Arclite: She’s a Blue Dog and not very good at the job, but I think at least some of that comes from it being a weak position.

    @Cacti: also, how many people here live in that district?

  151. 151.

    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Understanding without reading them. Good trick.

  152. 152.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    July 24, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    @Cacti: You’re expecting a useful idiot to care?

  153. 153.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 24, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    @redshirt:
    I suppose you’re right that it’s not a big deal, but I dislike anyone having to resign for something they didn’t do.

    @Arclite:
    Minority demonization flourishes in times of economic prosperity just as much as times of economic want. Only the arguments the racists use change. We got to these economically difficult times because four decades ago racists decided they’d rather destroy their own jobs than share them with blacks. Since then, they have fought with increasing lunacy to wreck everything. That is and has been the driving factor of our economic problems.

  154. 154.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    also, how many people here live in that district?

    None that I know of.

    Most of the “revolutionaries” are pig ignorant of the fact that they’re getting played for their $$$ by a Likudnik.

    Something comes to mind about a fool and his money.

  155. 155.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    @LanceThruster: Sanders lost California by many thousands of votes once the counting was done. And even if he hadn’t lost, his pledged delegate hole was so deep that pulling out a narrow win wouldn’t have helped.

    So stop whining.

  156. 156.

    scav

    July 24, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    Those millions of aware democratic voters that never show up at the polls are terrifyingly omniscient and inerrant. How sad that so few apparently have keyboards and must instead rely on the few to voice all their concerns here.

  157. 157.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    @dmsilev: He’s a primary truther. You’re wasting your pixels.

  158. 158.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    @dmsilev:

    So stop whining.

    No one has ever been as oppressed as the white 20-somethings that felt the Bern.

  159. 159.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    @Cacti:

    Hahahaha, you know, Cacti, this is the FIRST time you’re actually arguing POLICY with me and not just telling me TO FUCK OFF!

    Sweet, sweet Victory…

    Canovas position on Iran? As opposed to murdering civilians in Lybia, Syria, Iraq, etc?

    Sure, I’ll take Canova.

  160. 160.

    PsiFighter37

    July 24, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    @bargal20: Seriously, fuck them, and Bernie in particular – he knows his idiot supporters will fucking howl in protest to whatever injustice he deems there to have been.

    I never liked DWS, but Bernie’s handling of this shows that he is all about his grievances and not about party at.all.

  161. 161.

    sdhays

    July 24, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    If DWS is finally getting the boot, can we please replace her with someone who at least doesn’t already have a day job? Making DWS the DNC Chair was a mistake in many ways, but choosing a sitting Congresswoman was the first, most obvious mistake. DNC Chair is a full time job, and Congresspersons are always complaining about how little time they have to do their actual job anyway; having her also be DNC Chair was just insulting.

  162. 162.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    @Baud: Oh, I know. It’s a Sunday afternoon and I’m a bit bored.

  163. 163.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Minority demonization flourishes in times of economic prosperity just as much as times of economic want. Only the arguments the racists use change. We got to these economically difficult times because four decades ago racists decided they’d rather destroy their own jobs than share them with blacks. Since then, they have fought with increasing lunacy to wreck everything. That is and has been the driving factor of our economic problems.

    Bernie promised trickle down social justice would happen when he was finished hand holding white people with lost status anxiety.

  164. 164.

    Anya

    July 24, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    As I said on Twitter, there are lots of stuff I don’t like about Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s policies, but the way some on the left demonize her is a bit unsettling. I feel like some of the reasons she gets all this vitriol is because she’s a woman politition in a position of power. If we had a male Dem whose political ideology was identical to DWS, I don’t believe he would’ve experienced the same level of hate.

  165. 165.

    PsiFighter37

    July 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: You realize how pathetic it is that Berniebros like yourself are reduced to advocating for a little-known fringe candidate in a congressional district? At least the netroots, when it had its act together 10 years ago(!), got a vice presidential nominee (Lieberman) effectively kicked out of the party.

    Bernie is a day late and several dollars (perhaps 27?) short of having any kind of organized movement.

  166. 166.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    @sdhays: I think that’s one thing we all agree on.

  167. 167.

    Davis X. Machina

    July 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    From Philadelphia rally

    Byron Tau @ByronTau:

    Lest anyone think “lock her up” is some sort of Republican phenomenon, there are plenty of Bernie supporters at this rally chanting it.

  168. 168.

    Fair Economist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Sanders lost California by many hundreds of thousands of votes

    FTFY

  169. 169.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Hahahaha, you know, Cacti, this is the FIRST time you’re actually arguing POLICY with me

    When have you ever argued policy, Hollandaise Bechamel?

  170. 170.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: How big is the rally?

  171. 171.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    I took a nap and this happened. At least I think I’m not dreaming.

  172. 172.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Happy birthday!

  173. 173.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Sure, I’ll take Canova.

    So you take the Likud position on Iran.

    Very progressive of you. Send more money.

  174. 174.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    @Arclite:

    Hillary doesn’t attempt to implement some fairly “radical” (for America) changes

    This is a dumb question but you do understand how our system works? Hillary can issue some executive orders which get tied up by GOP/Judicial watch law suits.She can nominate various progressive cabinet/agency heads that will never be confirmed by the Senate. And that is it. Anything else has to go thru Congress and the GOP would not give Santa Claus a thumbs up if they thought he was going to leave a gift under Hillary’s Christmas tree..

  175. 175.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    @Anya: You’re probably right, but much of the hate Kaine gets is because of his run at the DNC, which was also perceived to be a total failure.

    The only DNC chair held in high regard is Dean.

  176. 176.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    @Baud:
    It’s great. Thanks again. Still.

  177. 177.

    Anya

    July 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Bernie can’t seem to get over his own personal pique over losing to an unworthy politician. His answer to whether Kaine is a progressive was terrible. I want this election to end.

  178. 178.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    @Fair Economist: I think technically “a few hundred thousand”. I’m too lazy to look it up, but from memory, somewhere in the 2-300,000 range was the final margin after all the mail-ins and provisionals were counted.

  179. 179.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @lamh36:

    Now that’s what I call class.

  180. 180.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    The decision was reportedly made on Saturday, one day after Wikileaks published nearly 20,000 internal DNC emails, several of which suggest the DNC supported Clinton over Sanders and even took actions to derail the Sanders campaign.

    Millions of Bernie supporters now feel vindicated after MONTHS of ridicule by Clinton supporters.

    When I brought up issues, few people here engaged me in any meaningful way.

  181. 181.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Oh wow. Trump really is stupid, isn’t he?

  182. 182.

    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @Arclite: Given I don’t agree with you, yes, you do need a clue.

  183. 183.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:

    If that doesn’t hurt him, I don’t know what will.

  184. 184.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    @chopper:

    yeah, i’m sure switching out the head of the DNC 3 months and change before the election is gonna work out great. better pick someone who already knows the job.

    Yeah, it’s almost like Russian-financed Wikileaks had some kind of motivation to try and screw with the Democrats’ general election apparatus to make it harder for them to fight against the Russian-financed Donald Trump.

    Be careful what you wish for, because the person giving it to you might have goals of their own that you may not like.

  185. 185.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    @dmsilev:

    The final margin was 363,580 votes.

    Wasn’t close at any point.

  186. 186.

    Davis X. Machina

    July 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    @Baud: All the WSJ correspondent (@ByronTau) says is that it’s bigger than anything he saw in Cleveland….

  187. 187.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    @Arclite: Oh fuck that shit.

  188. 188.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    THE TRUMP TWEET IS A PARODY PEOPLE!!!

  189. 189.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Is that for real or is somebody trolling? Can’t imagine that even ‘old little hands’ would be that stupidly obvious

    never mind. just saw bauds post.

  190. 190.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Oh, too bad. He’s just stupid enough to have done it.

  191. 191.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Millions of Bernie supporters now feel vindicated after MONTHS of ridicule by Clinton supporters.

    The end goal of the “Revolution!” was to put Al Gore’s old campaign manager in charge of the DNC? I didn’t get that.

    I still don’t get it.

    But, you have my warmest….. congratulations.

  192. 192.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: We’ve got the Democratic nominee (and likely President).

    You’ve got the scalp of person who was head of something most people can’t name.

    Enjoy!

  193. 193.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    @Cacti:
    ‘Trickle down social justice’ is brilliant.

  194. 194.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    We care about a small district, because ordinary working class people recognize the entrenched corruption of the DNC establishment. It used to be DWS and her Ilk could slip by, unnoticed, without any real challenges. Not anymore.

  195. 195.

    Mike J

    July 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    @D58826: dEnald Trump

  196. 196.

    Amaranthine RBG

    July 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    Sanders said from the outset that the system was rigged against him.

    Looks like the e-mails confirm that.

    He didn’t just have to run against Clinton – he had to run against the entire democratic establishment.

  197. 197.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    @MattF:

    No. Famously fake account (“denald” is a bit of a tell).

  198. 198.

    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    @Trentrunner: Honorary 50 state campaign chair, minus the parts of Florida represented by Republican friends. In those, we assume she will continue to honorarily sabotage Democratic campaign efforts.

  199. 199.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Yes, but Our Progressive Betters are too wise and pure to fall for that sort of manipulation. Just ask them; they’ll tell you so.

  200. 200.

    burnspbesq

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    No surprise: Berniacs crowing about DWS, and making noise about beating her in her House primary.

    As much as I don’t like her, i will not stand for that shit. She’s getting a contribution.

  201. 201.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG: They don’t. Completely manufactured.

  202. 202.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Millions of Bernie supporters now feel vindicated after MONTHS of ridicule by Clinton supporters.

    When I brought up issues, few people here engaged me in any meaningful way.

    Bernie lost because he never connected with minority voters in any meaningful way.

  203. 203.

    hovercraft

    July 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    They finally asked a protester about the resignation, he said it’s too late now, the primaries are over, now the only remedy is for Hillary to step down.

  204. 204.

    geg6

    July 24, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    @Anya:

    I’m not a fan of hers and I’ve criticized her a lot, but yes, misogyny is a major (top three, for sure) factor in the vitriol thrown at her, especially by the Bernistas. Much as it is with their deeply pathological hatred of Hillary.

  205. 205.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    He should have had to run as a Socialist.

  206. 206.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: I was afraid of that. It’s almost as if having Bernie Dumbledore spend eight months telling his followers that Hillary Voldemort was the real enemy because speeches is having some effect.

  207. 207.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    You’ve got the scalp of person who was head of something most people can’t name.

    Enjoy!

    I find the use of the term, “scalp,” offensive. Please stop using it!

    And I most certainly will enjoy this victory in our tiny political microcosm on the Internet!

  208. 208.

    Technocrat

    July 24, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    @hovercraft:

    And absolutely no one is surprised.

  209. 209.

    Betty Cracker

    July 24, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Calling your bluff — link all the fangrrl comments I’ve posted about DWS. I won’t be voting for TC since I don’t live in that congressional district.

  210. 210.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    @D58826: Yes, I understand she’s not a dictator, and has limited ability to affect change. However, she alone is still more powerful than any individual senator or other politician in the USA, and has the ability to effect compromise via the power of her position. With any luck we’ll get lot more Dems in the house and senate, and will be able to get some good changes passed. My worry is that she’ll stick to “triangulation” practices instead of reaching.

  211. 211.

    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Sanders said from the outset that the system was rigged against him.

    Looks like the e-mails confirm that.

    You’ll need to cite something. And then connect to something the DNC did in the real world.

  212. 212.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    @hovercraft: They were never gettable.

  213. 213.

    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG: Sanders was running against the entire Democratic establishment because he had personally pissed most of them off during his long career. Also, too, even if DWS put her thumbs on the scale, the DNC didn’t have the power to influence the results enough to change them.

  214. 214.

    Anya

    July 24, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    @redshirt: I think Kaine gets a lot of hate because some people are too lazy to go beyond headlines. They don’t know much about Kaine’s policies but they’re convinced he’s a “corporatist”. I’ve seen so many Bernie Bros repeating this: “He’s a Wall Street Hack and a slap in the face to Bernie voters.” I’ve asked many of them to give me an example of how he’s a Wall Street hack but no one can give me an example. I’ve been called a bot and other insults but no concrete example. I pointed out that the Conservative Heritage Foundation rated Kaine lower than Bernie when it comes to conservatism.

  215. 215.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    @LanceThruster: California vote: Clinton 2,713,259; Sanders 2,326,030. That’s a difference of 387,229 votes. No way in hell was Bernie going to win California. Even with a headwind and Loki helping out.

    (ETA: got the numbers from a NYT article)

  216. 216.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    @hovercraft:
    That actually made me laugh. And the parrot laughed too.

  217. 217.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Looks like the e-mails confirm that.

    Actually, they confirm that it didn’t. Someone brought up the idea, and was told no, the DNC wouldn’t play that game.

  218. 218.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: You can’t make me: Scalp. Scalp. Scalp.

    See what it’s like to deal with childish assholes who can’t lose gracefully?

  219. 219.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG: They’re a reason why Bernie didn’t get the maority of the African-American vote. I would explain it to you, but why bother? You won’t listen either.

  220. 220.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    ‘Trickle down social justice’ is brilliant.

    Can’t take credit for it.

    It came from one of our African American posters. I think it was Patricia Kayden or rikyrah.

  221. 221.

    Steeplejack

    July 24, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    @Technocrat:

    For future reference: “realDenaldTrump” is a spoof account.

  222. 222.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    @gwangung: I said, “Economic insecurity is a huge source fanning the flames of minority demonization.”

    You said, “And one compounds the other.”

    That’s the same.

  223. 223.

    dmsilev

    July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    @hovercraft:

    They finally asked a protester about the resignation, he said it’s too late now, the primaries are over, now the only remedy is for Hillary to step down.

    That’s really it. They refuse to admit that Sanders lost. And no, people at the DNC writing internal emails that said unkind things about Sanders in May, when it was obvious to anyone who could count that he was going to lose, is not “rigging” the election. Especially since The Wicked Witch of the Southeast, excuse me DWS, quashed the talk of actually doing something against Sanders. He lost. He doesn’t get to be the nominee. He doesn’t get to pick the veep. He lost.

  224. 224.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    @Anya:

    It’s because he’s a conservative, blue dog democrat. Remember those “I AM A CONSERVATIVE” ads he ran in ~’06?

    Dude literally said he was Pro-TPP before he was announced the VP.

  225. 225.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    @hovercraft: They finally asked a protester about the resignation, he said it’s too late now, the primaries are over, now the only remedy is for Hillary to step down.

    Reminds me of the Tea Bagger Rachel Maddow interviewed who said he opposed Eric Holder because of his voting record in the legislature

    Bernie baggers. All we fucking need.

  226. 226.

    Tom Q

    July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    Remember during the primaries, when Bernie/Hillary were asked about the Flint crisis? Hillary outlined what she’d do to fix the crisis; Bernie told us how he’d demand resignations. This is what too much of the Sanders movement was/is about: gestures, not actions-to-repair.

    Like many, I wasn’t in love with DebbieWS (starting with her love-in with the GOP reps in FL), and I definitely supported her not chairing the convention — why offer the networks the bad optics of Berniefolk booing her every time she appeared? This is a step further than necessary, and I agree about the problem of appeasing bullies. But there are times when you just want to shut off the outrage faucet, and, for all but the least reasonable, this should do the trick. (Anyone further in outrage territory than Ben Jealous can’t possibly be taken seriously.)

  227. 227.

    sdhays

    July 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    For about a day or two, I was really excited about Canova’s challenge of DWS because of her craven efforts to defang the CFPB (which is one of the things that I think should be a red line if you’re the DNC Chair) and was going to contribute to his campaign. And then he opened his mouth and attacked DWS from the right on the Iran deal. So then it became trading one rotten Democrat on banking issues for another rotten race-based candidate on foreign policy. As I recall, not only did he attack her from the right, he made an explicit race-based attack, saying that DWS wasn’t a Jew (or not a good one; I don’t know whether she is Jewish or not since I don’t know why it should matter) for not opposing the Iran Deal.

    A guy like that is not a step up from DWS, so I’ll be happy if she just goes back to being a crappy Congresswoman and stops being a crappy leader of the whole party.

  228. 228.

    PsiFighter37

    July 24, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: Fuck Bernie

  229. 229.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    @LanceThruster: He lost Calif. by 300k+ votes. The ‘presumptive nominee’ call was by the media not the Clinton campaign and it happened the night before Calif. had it’s primary. And as others have noted he would have had to win in Calif. by 68% to have a shot at closing the elected delegate gap. He lost whichever way you want to slice the apple – votes, states won, delegates won.

  230. 230.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    And let’s not forget DWSs disgusting position on predatory pay-day lenders. She fully supports ripping off poor people.

  231. 231.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    @burnspbesq: I’m hoping Bernie finds himself in a primary during his next election.

  232. 232.

    Yutsano

    July 24, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    @Arclite: The real problem is that more than half of what is necessary to fox that is controlled by Congress. And until Congress lets go of its death grip on doing as much nothing as possible, that ain’t gonna change.

  233. 233.

    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    @Arclite: Actually, they don’t. But it’s not something that needs to be discussed at length right now.

  234. 234.

    Hal

    July 24, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    @Anya: What I’m not understanding is the people who keep throwing Elizabeth Warren’s name out there in voicing their disappoint in Kaine. Why lose a solid progressive voice in the Senate in a state where the Republican governor would appoint her successor? Even if a Clinton Warren ticket won they would just be encountering more opposition. Makes no sense to me at all.

  235. 235.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    @sdhays:

    As I recall, not only did he attack her from the right, he made an explicit race-based attack, saying that DWS wasn’t a Jew (or not a good one; I don’t know whether she is Jewish or not since I don’t know why it should matter) for not opposing the Iran Deal.

    I guess taking pot shots at your opponents religion is only a crime when the DNC does it.

  236. 236.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    So how about some predictions on Bernie’s behavior from here on out?
    – Does anyone think his DNC speech will be anything but his stump speech with a lukewarm endorsement tacked on the end?
    – Does anyone think Sanders will stump on behalf of Clinton?
    – Does anyone think Sanders will appear at a campaign even with Clinton? With Obama?

  237. 237.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    @Tom Q: Wanna bet? The faucet won’t shut off. Dr. Bernie Frankenstein’s monster is loose.

  238. 238.

    Trentrunner

    July 24, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Now the bros are tweeting that Donna Brazile is no good either because she also insulted Sanders’ followers…somehow.

    Probably by being both female AND black. How dare she? HOW DARE SHE?!?

  239. 239.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @D58826: even when the DNC doesn’t do it.

  240. 240.

    burnspbesq

    July 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    Scalp! Scalp! Scalp!

  241. 241.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @Cacti:
    It beautifully turns the ‘racism is how rich people keep us down’ argument on its head. And Jesus, it really rubs in how insulting that argument must seem to victims of racism.

  242. 242.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Don’t blame Bernie. Lol

    What more do you want him to do? He’s literally campaigning with Clinton right now under the banner of unity.

    OTOH, you can def blame us leftists for going rogue and creating political alternatives to the DNC status quo.

  243. 243.

    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    It’s because he’s a conservative, blue dog democrat. Remember those “I AM A CONSERVATIVE” ads he ran in ~’06?

    No. Link to proof, please.

    Dude literally said he was Pro-TPP before he was announced the VP.

    Obama is pro-TPP. It’s a horrible position for American workers, but supporting it doesn’t make one a CONSERVATIVE.

  244. 244.

    hovercraft

    July 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    @Baud:
    He’s a delegate from Ohio, I wonder how many of these whackos will be in the hall.
    Weaver said that the fight goes on, they did not lose because of DWS, but they were hurt by the bias. But the dream will never die, the fight goes on, they won many victories, and they will change the democratic party.

  245. 245.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Canovas position on Iran? As opposed to murdering civilians in Lybia, Syria, Iraq, etc?

    Holy shit.

    I knew you were completely ignorant about policy but … holy shit.

    Here’s a little cluebat for you: opposing the nuclear deal with Iran guarantees that the US will continue to kill civilians in the Middle East for decades to come, and probably means that we will add Iranian civilians to the list.

    But, hey, you got to show that bitch DWS what’s what, so who really cares about the consequences of the Iran deal being reversed, right?

  246. 246.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    @redshirt:
    The deal used to be Bernie caucused with the Dems and the Dems wouldn’t run against him.
    We’ll see what happens.

  247. 247.

    Anya

    July 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG: The only thing those email leaks proved is that staff at a political organization were being political. Shocker. Also, some of them suggested a terrible strategy that no one used. Bernie lost because he couldn’t convince enough voters to vote for him. Grow the fuck up and get over it. Our country is in danger of being run by a narcissistic White Nationalist. We don’t have time for this silliness.

  248. 248.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Trump really is stupid, isn’t he?

    No denying that, but the tweet is from a fake account. Look carefully at the name.

  249. 249.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Hey UT, as the greatest Road Warrior at BJ, can you share any wisdom you’ve learned about traveling via plane?

  250. 250.

    Baud

    July 24, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    @hovercraft: Ugh. He will be the Joe Wilson of the convention.

  251. 251.

    geg6

    July 24, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    @Arclite:

    No, it’s not.

    Jesus.

  252. 252.

    pseudonymous in nc

    July 24, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    He didn’t just have to run against Clinton – he had to run against the entire democratic establishment.

    Given that he was Party of Bernie for so long, the entire Democratic establishment bent the rules so that he could run as a Democrat, because they felt it was better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

    So, Bernie and the Busters… where are you going to piss?

  253. 253.

    rikyrah

    July 24, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    THE R.N.C. ON TV: IVANKA’S WEAPONIZED GRACIOUSNESS
    By Emily Nussbaum
    JULY 22, 2016

    ………………………………

    Then there’s Donald Trump with Ivanka. Poised and polished and smiling, she’s the lovely daughter whose good manners have been lauded ever since she appeared in the 2003 Jamie Johnson documentary “Born Rich.” In a truly addled form of grading on a curve, when it comes to kids from Ivanka’s background, simply being polite, graduating from your father’s alma mater, and then going to work for him are all perceived as remarkable achievements. Marketing her low-end designer clothes on Twitter, Ivanka is a sub-brand of her father, a walking aspirational life style: the Lean-In Working Mom. She is also pretty clearly not a Republican. She should be likable, a role model. In fact, if Trump weren’t her dad, it’s easy to imagine her #WithHer, working alongside her former friend Chelsea.

    Instead, Ivanka’s made the choice to use her gifts to prop up her father’s ugly and xenophobic campaign, employing her charm as a kind of weaponized graciousness. She’s his consort, because Melania can’t be. And could Donald be bad, if Ivanka is good? Where Donald is rude, Ivanka is polite. Where Donald makes piggish insults, Ivanka shrugs: “Oh, Dad!” In last night’s seductive speech, with her corporate-P.R.-wiz delivery, she offered the same anodyne generalizations that her siblings and stepmother made in their speeches. Her dad inspired them; he taught good values; he can be trusted. It was like a Mad Libs compiled from Successories motivational posters, very different from the rambling but endearingly specific stories delivered by one of her father’s old business cronies, just before she took the stage, the one who described himself as “an anchovy on an Ivanka Caesar salad.”

    ……………………….

    Before Ivanka’s performance, her brother, Donald, Jr., predicted that his sister would succeed, because she “does the princess thing very well.” Her royalty is what makes her father’s royalty feel real. You’re not supposed to criticize someone’s daughter—and, if the press does, Trump will surely be able to score points by defending her. But this is the ugly truth: Ivanka has made a conscious choice to deodorize the stink of her father’s misogyny, to suggest that because he loves her that means he loves women—to erase the actual policies he supports. She could have stood by his side and smiled in mere family solidarity. She could have used her newborn or her work as an excuse to stay away from active campaigning. Instead, she’s stepped forward to blind female voters to who her father is and what he stands for.

  254. 254.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 24, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    Sam B recently interviewed both a Trump convention delegate and a Sanders one. I was much more incensed at the Sanders one, who said she never could vote for Clinton even if that meant Trump became president. The Trump one taught history from a Christian perspective. You were never going to disrupt her world view. It ran too deep. But the Sanders one had what the nuns used to call “vincible ignorance,” ie ignorance that could have been remedied. I wanted to slap her smug face.

  255. 255.

    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    Now the bros are tweeting that Donna Brazile is no good either

    I have seen this game before. It is how Republican congressional leaders negotiate. Even if you give them exactly what they ask for, they’re still outraged and want more.

  256. 256.

    burnspbesq

    July 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @redshirt:

    I have the last two weeks of October 2018 blocked off on my calendar. I’ll be in Vermont, volunteering for the Democratic candidate.

    You in?

  257. 257.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I think after today it’s clear they’re not progressives or socialists or any such thing. They are narcissistic nihilists.

  258. 258.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @MattF: Yep a revolutionary idea I know. almost as revolutionary as believing the earth goes round the sun.

  259. 259.

    geg6

    July 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    @D58826:

    Except the DNC didn’t because DWS said to cut the shit.

    I can’t believe these assholes are making me defend DWS!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

  260. 260.

    Keith G

    July 24, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Besides the cool news of DWS leaving (But really now? After all this time?), here is a cool thing that I read on the nets. I hope it is representative of others:

    Clinton’s pick of Kaine, in contrast, seems to me sane, pragmatic, responsible, and not overly ideological, basically all the things Trump is not, and it has pushed me off the fence from voting third party into voting for her. I’m only one data point, but as I’m a pretty centrist voter (voted for Obama in 2008, but not in 2012) in a swing state (one Trump basically has to win to have a chance) I wouldn’t take it as an encouraging one if I were a Republican.

    Link

  261. 261.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    Now the bros are tweeting that Donna Brazile is no good either because she also insulted Sanders’ followers…somehow.

    Ummm, outside of the Clinton bubble you’ve been living in, Brazile was well known for her autocratic tendencies. Especially at the DNC platform committee in Orlando, she was exposed as being a bully and a DNC hack.

    The tea party of the left is raging in full swing.

    Sacking DWS is the crack in the armor.

  262. 262.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    @Shalimar: Well, hell. I am already proven right. I didn’t expect it to take less than an hour.

  263. 263.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    I find the use of the term, “scalp,” offensive. Please stop using it!

    Sorry about your scalp. You must be balding rapidly. Gotta be tough to look in the mirror every morning only to see your hairline recede and your SCALP advance.

  264. 264.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I was much more incensed at the Sanders one, who said she never could vote for Clinton even if that meant Trump became president

    .
    Didn’t she say that in a Clinton v Mussolini race, she would have to find out where Mussolini stood on climate change, and didn’t appear to be joking. To the same question, the Republican*, a guns for Jesus type, rolled her eyes and said of course Clinton. That Sanders delegate was damn near my idea of the perfect parody of a Berniebot, only she didn’t mention GMOs.

    *Kendall Rhue (sp?) a never Trumper who’s been on MSNBC more than Michael Steel the last few weeks.

  265. 265.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    @Emma:

    So its narcissistic nihilism celebrating the end of DWS reign as the head of one of the two major parties in the most powerful country on earth? DWS hates poor people, hence her support of Predatory Payday Lenders!!!

    Seriously, this is a good day for democracy, people!!!!

  266. 266.

    Keith G

    July 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    Now the bros are tweeting that Donna Brazile is no good either

    Oh please, god no.

    She eventually was campaign manager of the 2000 presidential campaign of Al Gore.

    What? Bob Shrum is not available?

  267. 267.

    Cat48

    July 24, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    Yes, Mr. Cole, let’s do whatever Berniebrats demand. The brats still protesting say getting rid of DWS IS NOT enough! Time for Hillary & Kaine to leave too bc Bernie really won. If the DNC won’t do that, Kaine has to go. Your favorite, Nina Turner, will pick a VP for Hillary. I wonder if I can get my donations to Hillary back. Bc clearly Berniebrats have too much power. I didn’t give money for a Bernie ShitShow. I voted Hillary bc Bernie is nuts.

  268. 268.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 24, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    Oh hey, Hollandaise Bechamel is back.

  269. 269.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    @redshirt:

    Pretty sure Al Giordano has already said he plans to primary Bernie in 2018.

  270. 270.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: bullshit. this is the day where there’s a solid possibility that another Florida district just went red. And when an innocent person was railroaded to please a bunch of little white boys who are still bemoaning the failure of their god.

  271. 271.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: On the one hand, sure, there’s racism even in the best economic circumstances. On the other hand, bad economic circumstances make racism worse as ethnic minorities feel the effects hardest and can be blamed (wrongly) for causing the problems. Racist calls like “They took our jobs!” and “THOSE lazy people don’t work and eat free steaks!” only gets worse during bad economic times.

    Why is this even a debate? It’s obvious that 8 years since the bottom fell out of the economy this is THE driving factor behind Trump’s campaign, wrong-headed though it may be. Say what you will about the Bernie Bros, but at least they’re channeling their insecurity behind a candidate more focused on fixing inequality than laying blame (even while many complained about Bernie’s lack of focus in racial issues).

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    So to counter my taking offense at racism against Native Americans, you discriminate against bald people!

    You’re such a baldist.

    If you type my name into google, then you’ll see whether or not I have hair :)

  273. 273.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    July 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    @MattF: Gotta look for the e in Denald.

    ;-)

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    p.a.

    July 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    I’m no fan of the DNC or D (don’t challenge my Repub friend Floridians) WS, but I think too many people (beyond B-Bots) are buying in to the Putinist/MSM ‘how horrible the DNC actively worked against Bernie’ frame. The Democratic National Committee worked against a non-Democrat vying for the Dem Presidential nomination. CARAZYTIME!

  275. 275.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Especially at the DNC platform committee in Orlando, she was exposed as being a bully and a DNC hack.

    If you can’t win the game, bitch about the refs.

    Still waiting for you to explain how defeating the Iran nuclear agreement will cause fewer deaths in the Middle East rather than the more deaths that every foreign policy expert says it would.

  276. 276.

    Keith G

    July 24, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    @Cat48: Cool down a bit. And look up “argumentum ad absurdum“

  277. 277.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: As usual, I saw that after I pressed “Post Comment”. My bad. Tn my defense, doesn’t it sound like something Trump would say?

  278. 278.

    WaterGirl

    July 24, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    @Emma: I’m stirring pudding on the stove, so I can read but can’t really google. Who the heck is Nina Turner?

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    Major Major Major Major

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Arclite: lack of focus? Bernie doesn’t believe in racial issues.

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    gwangung

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Ummm, outside of the Clinton bubble you’ve been living in, Brazile was well known for her autocratic tendencies.

    This is not very good troll bait. You need to up your game. Try not to post anything this stupid.

  281. 281.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @redshirt:

    Hey UT, as the greatest Road Warrior at BJ, can you share any wisdom you’ve learned about traveling via plane?

    Yeah: stay home. It’s a pain in the neck.
    But seriously. Other than the obvious and well known traveler advice:
    1) wear a light jacket even if it’s hot. Keep all of your pocket stuff in it until you’re through TSA. At TSA, cram the jacket in your carryon and put it through xray. TSA with junk in your pockets is a bottleneck.
    2) use the john in the gate area before you board. Airplane toilets are awful.
    3) if you’re changing planes, download Flightboard (free) on your phone so you can see your connecting flight’s gate as soon as you land. Then check the airline magazine’s airport map to plan your mad dash. because you probably will be late.
    4) keep 500 calories of snax on you at all times so you don’t lose time if you’re in a hurry and it’s mealtime.
    5) Bring earplugs and a book or music. The better to avoid your seatmates as necessary.
    6) GPS is your friend. I’d lose my left hand to save my Garmin. Almost.
    7) anything you have to have, you have to have 2 of. Cables, chargers, computer backup, pens, notes, tickets, credit cards, etc. Duplicate and separate so you don’t get caught short.
    8) avoid Boston Logan unless you hate yourself and want to suffer. Manchester Boston Regional is lovely, and 45 minutes away.

    Happy travels.

  282. 282.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Seriously, this is a good day for democracy Russian-backed ratfuckers doing their best to get Trump elected, people!!!!

    Fix’d. You claim not to be dumb or politically naive, but your own comments show otherwise.

  283. 283.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Emma:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: bullshit. this is the day where there’s a solid possibility that another Florida district just went red. And when an innocent person was railroaded to please a bunch of little white boys who are still bemoaning the failure of their god.

    HAH! Remind me under whose leadership the Democratic Party lost OVERWELMING majorities in the House and Senate????

    Fuck DWS, she’s as red as they come. Sorry if millions of democrats don’t follow these DNC losers off the cliff.

  284. 284.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @Arclite:
    It’s obvious that eight years after the first black president was elected, why the Republican nominee would win his position on a platform of openly expressed white power.

    EDIT – Note that the economy has steadily improved, but racism has gotten steadily more overt.

  285. 285.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    I have the last two weeks of October 2018 blocked off on my calendar. I’ll be in Vermont, volunteering for the Democratic candidate.

    You in?

    I hope you’re spending two weeks in VT for more than working against Sanders. Is this your vacation too?

    As I travel to VT fairly regularly, I can be there. Not for two weeks though.

  286. 286.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    Hmm. So I see that the mask has fallen off Bernie’s enablers and what’s underneath ain’t pretty. I wish I could say that I’m surprised.

  287. 287.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @Keith G:

    Meh. By this point in the election, the head of the DNC takes his/her cues from the presidential campaign manager, who is Robby Mook. We’ll be fine, though it would have been better to not have Russian-financed ratfuckers force us to change horses in midstream.

  288. 288.

    Anya

    July 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @rikyrah: Honestly, I felt terrible for the Trump daughters. Both of them told very sad anecdotes that showed their hunger for their father’s love, attention and approval. Ivanka told the story about how she use to hide in Janitor’s closet during recess to collect call her dad, and he answered every time. The younger daughter talked about how her dad wrote notes on her childhood report cards. I find that incredibly sad. I have million little anecdotes about my dad that are meaningful and personal. I know they support a horrible man but I felt sorry for them.

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    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @Emma

    bullshit. this is the day where there’s a solid possibility that another Florida district just went red.

    DWS resigned as National Committee chair. She hasn’t resigned from Congress. There is no chance she is going to lose her seat.

  290. 290.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    I thought for sure this thread was headed north of 500.

    This is so weird. Normally the whole thread piles on with FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK and PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS, THE ADULTS ARE TALKING!

    Anyways, thx for that.

  291. 291.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Ralph Ellison explained this peculiar affliction a long time ago.

  292. 292.

    Glidwrith

    July 24, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    @LanceThruster: Look, asshole, the primary was basically over once New York was done, but the rest of us thought it was important that folks still get to put their votes where they wanted. With the gap only increasing with each state there was nothing wrong with the press declaring her the presumptive nominee though she had the class not to do so.

    And NO, you miserable pustule, Bernie didn’t close the gap nor did he flip California. Go join the Dumpsters, they will go along with every delusion you have, since they cannot see reality either.

  293. 293.

    japa21

    July 24, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    Let me put it in simple English for the Bernie fans who are creating such a big scene:

    1. There is no evidence that the DNC did anything to subvert, suppress or destroy Sanders’ campaign.
    2. Sanders lost despite there being no major anti-Sanders campaign.
    3. Hillary treated Sanders with kid gloves. She could have campaigned hard against him rather than campaigning for herself and she would have blown him out all over the place.
    4. Despite the conventional wisdom, the primary was never really close. The media tried to present it that way, but Sanders was never really in it.

    I don’t expect actually laying out facts will mean anything to them. We are fortunate they represent a super small contingent.

  294. 294.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: Nina Turner is a former state senator for Ohio’s 25th district and served as the minority whip in the Ohio Senate. A Democrat, she has endorsed Senator Bernie Sanders for Democratic nomination in 2016, and has been actively campaigning for him. (Wikipedia). She got clobbered in the last election. She’s got a massive hatred for Hillary. Why I don’t know.

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    July 24, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    In light of the Wikileaks email hack, don’t you think the “Bernie enablers” have a point now?

    The mask has fallen off the DNC Clinton enablers and NOT the other way around.

    The people supporting Bernie have always been for poor, working class people.

  296. 296.

    Davis X. Machina

    July 24, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    HA Goodman of Salon fame:

    H. A. Goodman @HAGOODMANAUTHOR:
    https://t.co/zM3GQ3qjfd
    MESSAGE TO BERNIE SANDERS: You Won the Democratic Nomination. Take What’s Rightfully Yours in Philly

  297. 297.

    chopper

    July 24, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    @bargal20:

    so are we to assume that you’re okay with russia’s government ratfucking our election for trump? cause this is pretty fucking concerning to the rest of us.

  298. 298.

    Betty Cracker

    July 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Still waiting, big-mouth. Link to my DWS fangrrl posts, or STFU. Hint: this isn’t one.

  299. 299.

    Johnny Coelacanth

    July 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Who gives a shit?

  300. 300.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Oh, absolutely it does! That’s what makes it such a good spoof account — like The Onion, there’s always enough plausibility that you read it, scratch your head, and say “Wait a minute….”

  301. 301.

    ThresherK

    July 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: All Mother Sauces Matter. I don’t want to hear anything against Espagnole, Sauce Tomat, or Veloute, either.

  302. 302.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    @ThresherK: white mother sauces matter!

    Not blue ones though. Those you should throw out.

  303. 303.

    chopper

    July 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    eh, bernie made it pretty clear early on that he wasn’t going to lose all that graciously and was borderline obsessed with getting DWS fired. the fact that russia made it happen apparently makes no difference to these guys.

  304. 304.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: I’m no where near your level, but I’ve never had a problem at Logan. Newark, on the other hand….

    Also, I’m flying out of Logan on Monday. Hope you didn’t jinx me.

  305. 305.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    @Shalimar: She’s up for re-election. Has a lovely primary challenger that came out of nowhere and who thinks it’ll be a really good idea to scuttle the Iran nuclear agreement.

  306. 306.

    Technocrat

    July 24, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    @Arclite:

    Why is this even a debate? It’s obvious that 8 years since the bottom fell out of the economy this is THE driving factor behind Trump’s campaign

    None of the minorities scrambling to register think THE driving factor behind Trump’s campaign is economic. Take a second and ask yourself why.

    Also, I’d love to hear from anyone who thinks wealthy suburbs are significantly less racist than poor white neighborhoods. They certainly may be less overt.

  307. 307.

    hitchhiker

    July 24, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    I really admire Hillary Clinton and all the amazing people who will be speaking in her support next week. I really despise Donald John Trump and feel nothing but contempt for the willfully ignorant fools who stood up for him last week.

    I feel nothing at all about Bernie Sanders. He’s a non-factor and has been since the middle of March. At some point his fans will understand this, or not, but it makes no difference to me.

  308. 308.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 24, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    @Technocrat: they’re not any less racist, but they also vote red in fewer numbers. Uncomfortable people are more likely to lash out. It’s true.

    Now, plenty of uncomfortable people aren’t racist at all, they just tend not to be white. It’s not an either/or situation. Racism and economics can both contribute. Like how terrorists tend to come from poor populations, but you still have your Bin Ladens too.

  309. 309.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    @redshirt:
    I flew into Logan last week, had a traffic hassle getting up to Beverly and decided to fly home from Manchester after staying overnight in Salem.
    Logan used to be worse but the renovations are being completed. The concourses are more modern now. Driving in the Boston area is still awful. I did Boston, Atlanta and Chicago in 7 days. The Trifecta of Traffic.

  310. 310.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Speaking as a poor, working-class African-American, I know you and your cult don’t give a fuck about me, so go back to your elitist, melanin-free circle jerk.

  311. 311.

    chopper

    July 24, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Keith G:

    do you know of somebody else who can walk into the job 3 something months before the GE and do it with no learning curve?

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    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Technocrat:

    Also, I’d love to hear from anyone who thinks wealthy suburbs are significantly less racist than poor white neighborhoods. They certainly may be less overt.

    From what I’ve been told by my non-white friends (and white friends who grew up in Detroit who ventured out to the suburbs), the only real difference is that the wealthy suburbanites will call the cops to escort you away rather than taking matters into their own hands.

  313. 313.

    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    @Emma: I am not a DWS fan, but the one thing even her biggest detractors acknowledge is that she is a phenomenal fundraiser. She’s not going to lose a primary to a Bernie-backed, anti-Iran-deal nobody.

  314. 314.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 24, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: well the ‘white’ in ‘poor, working class white people’ is supposed to be silent when Bernie and his friends say it.

  315. 315.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    July 24, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    From what I’ve been told by my non-white friends (and white friends who grew up in Detroit who ventured out to the suburbs), the only real difference is that the wealthy suburbanites will call the cops to escort you away rather than taking matters into their own hands.

    I live in a Detroit suburb and this is not untrue. Consider, however that my Detroit friends of all melanin saturations know the cops wouldn’t come whereas up here north of Eight Mile they actually do.

  316. 316.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @Shalimar: I’m not worried about him. I’m more worried about the Republican.

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    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    We got to these economically difficult times because four decades ago racists decided they’d rather destroy their own jobs than share them with blacks. Since then, they have fought with increasing lunacy to wreck everything. That is and has been the driving factor of our economic problems.

    Sorry, but mostly wrong. American workers aren’t sabotaging the economy “because racism.” Our economic woes and insecurity are mostly due to large corporations manipulating the system to get greater gains for themselves at the expense of everyone else. Thus, union-breaking. Thus, NAFTA and TPP. Thus, shipping jobs overseas. Thus, allowing an oversupply of H1-Bs when there are plenty of qualified Americans to do those jobs. Thus, overseas tax-havens. Etc. Etc.

  318. 318.

    Technocrat

    July 24, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    they’re not any less racist, but they also vote red in fewer numbers. Uncomfortable people are more likely to lash out.

    Oh, I completely agree that poor racists are more likely to beat you up. Rich racists simply toss Roshanda’s resume.

    Arclite was going with the trope that those in economic distress are actually more racist, which I don’t necessarily agree with.

  319. 319.

    Brachiator

    July 24, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    In light of the Wikileaks email hack, don’t you think the “Bernie enablers” have a point now?

    No.

    The people supporting Bernie have always been for poor, working class people.

    I don’t dispute their good intentions. Unfortunately, they are political incompetents, and lightweights who care more about whining and posturing than in getting anything done.

    And I say this as someone who was not automatically a Clinton supporter, and who was eager to see what Bernie was all about.

    Right here, right now, it’s about getting Hillary elected and doing maximum damage to the Republicans. Bernie and his supporters are important mainly to the degree that they can help Clinton win. After November. If there are any Bernie people who can help the Democrats, let’s see what can be done.

  320. 320.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    @redshirt:

    He’ll tell us to vote our conscience.

  321. 321.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @gogol’s wife: And gogol’s wife drops the mic.

  322. 322.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Anya:

    I never thought that anything could ever make me sympathetic towards Jerry Fallwell, but then I read the “funny” story about his father killing someone’s beloved cat in order to play a cruel practical joke on them. And my first thought was, Now imagine what a guy willing to do that was like at home behind closed doors. No wonder Fallwell turned out the way he did.

  323. 323.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @hitchhiker:

    Co-sign!

  324. 324.

    WaterGirl

    July 24, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG: Does anyone really think the system wasn’t “rigged” against Barack Obama in 2008? That’s what party insiders get to do, right? Put their finger on the scale whenever and wherever they can?

    Is Bernie so naive that he doesn’t understand how politics works?

  325. 325.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    I always wanted to do that!

  326. 326.

    gogol's wife

    July 24, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    @hitchhiker:

    I normally don’t look forward to political conventions, but I am definitely looking forward to speeches by Obama, Warren, Kaine, Bloomberg (!), and even Big Dawg if they’re letting him show his face. And Hillary!

  327. 327.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @Arclite:

    American workers aren’t sabotaging the economy “because racism.”

    Then why do a majority of them vote Republican, particularly in the South?

  328. 328.

    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: The party ‘put it’s finger on the scale’ when they decided to clear a path for his Senate run and not put up a democratic challanger.

  329. 329.

    hovercraft

    July 24, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    Yes it was, but Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate. That is what Weaver has said in the past when the question was asked. No one ever followed up to ask why Sanders would try to primary a once in a life time candidate. But Sanders is not special enough to overcome the establishment.

  330. 330.

    Shalimar

    July 24, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @Emma:Who is the Republican running against DWS? She has never gotten below 60% of the vote in a general election before. Iirc, it is one of the safest Democratic seats around.

  331. 331.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    SiubhannDuinne posted a link to the convention website where they have the constantly-updated list of speakers. As of yesterday, Bernie was the opening act for Michelle Obama. The Big Dawg is speaking the night before Hillary does. And, of course, POTUS is speaking as well.

  332. 332.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    @Yutsano:

    The real problem is that more than half of what is necessary to fox that is controlled by Congress. And until Congress lets go of its death grip on doing as much nothing as possible, that ain’t gonna change.

    I don’t disagree, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t still radicalizing. Whether they identify the actual reasons for the problem or just scapegoat some convenient minority will determine whether they vote for someone offering solutions or a demagogue.

  333. 333.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @gwangung: You said, “Bigotry doesn’t need an excuse.” That goes with out saying. I’m saying, it gets worse during economic downturns. And you’re arguing with me and telling me I’m clueless? There are scientific studies proving this stuff. Why are you even arguing with me? Do you just like to argue?

  334. 334.

    The Thin Black Duke

    July 24, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @Mnemosyne: It’s weird, ain’t it? The Archie Bunkers in this country will consistently vote against their best interests again and again and reward the monsters who outsource their jobs, deny them affordable health care, and send their sons and daughters to war. But no, racism doesn’t have anything to do with it.

  335. 335.

    Emma

    July 24, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @Shalimar: I hope. Florida’s volatile these days. One thing I do know: if I were her, from now on it would be much harder for me to trust my Democratic colleagues.

    Maybe’s just my bad mood.

  336. 336.

    WaterGirl

    July 24, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @Emma: thank you!

  337. 337.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Oh sure, traffic around Logan sucks. Even after the Big Dig Boston car traffic sucks donkeys. I’ve just never seen anyone hate on Logan, and given your travel history, I’ve got to take it seriously. I’ve never seen it myself and fly in and out of Logan regularly.

  338. 338.

    Technocrat

    July 24, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @Arclite:

    I don’t disagree, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t still radicalizing

    I absolutely agree that people are radicalizing. What I’m not so certain of is that some “fix” exists. Some of the drivers of inequality are emergent network effects. You can’t have people spending billions of dollars at a handful of vendors without inequality rising. Every dollar you spend at Amazon (instead of your local store) exacerbates the problem. Walmart kills small towns because people shop at Walmart.

    I’m sure they are some possible legislative remedies. But would those be enough to stem the tide?

  339. 339.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @Shalimar: Teh Google. Iz hard. Took me 30 seconds:

    “As a former Christian missionary, faith is central to my life. I oppose gay marriage, I support restrictions on abortion — no public funding and parental consent — and I’ve worked to pass a state law banning partial-birth abortion.”

  340. 340.

    CarolDuhart2

    July 24, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Of course, what he has done doesn’t impress you, especially in a state where the majority of voters are pretty much military and conservative, where the capital of the Confederacy was.

    This is what’s happening with the Dems like what happened with the Tea Party. Frankly, I’m proud that we have conservative Dems as well as liberal ones. Not every American is a Bernie Bot, and if we can get Dems that can be at least a little better than Republicans they and us prosper.

    Face it folks-“the corruption” isn’t about money changing hands. It’s about not adoring their idol Bernie sufficietly. That DWS probably believes that an old cranky man is less than adequate and that his spoiled brat followers less than appealing is not corruption.

  341. 341.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @geg6: Fine explain it to me, because I keep throwing up examples and you people are just like Repubs saying “No” without offering any counter examples. If I’m wrong, show me. Instead, I get exasperated sighs like “Jesus” and ad homenims like “Clueless.”

  342. 342.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Glidwrith:

    Look, asshole, the primary was basically over after Super Tuesday

    FTFY

    That was when Sanders fell behind decisively and permanently.

  343. 343.

    Miss Bianca

    July 24, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    He didn’t just have to run against Clinton – he had to run against the entire democratic establishment.

    Which, since he *wasn’t* a Democrat, and should never have been allowed to become one simply for the purpose of running for President, he should have had to do from the beginning.

    Bernie Sanders and the Sandernistas are like those wasp parasites that seem strangely intent on killing their party/hosts by trying to eat it from the inside out.

    Maybe DWS does deserve to go, after all, since she presided over this shitshow happening.

  344. 344.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    July 24, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Arclite: 11 years ago.

    What has changed in the last 11 years? Hmm…

    NYMag:

    An article this week in The Hill calls abortion policy Kaine’s one big “weakness.” Like many observant Catholic Democrats over the years, Kaine’s mantra on reproductive rights is that while he’s “personally opposed” to abortion, he’s largely inclined to keep the law out of women’s reproductive decisions. Yes, he’s favored parental-notification laws, but has carefully insisted on ensuring young women in danger of parental pressure to carry a pregnancy to term will have a judicial workaround. Yes, he’s favored bans on so-called “partial-birth abortions,” but only with exceptions where the health of the mother is at risk, which separates him from the entire anti-abortion movement, which uniformly hates health exceptions. He has a 100 percent rating of his votes in the Senate from Planned Parenthood. His policy positions on abortion may not be ideal to reproductive-rights advocates, but they are acceptable, particularly if the top spot on the ticket is occupied by an old friend like Hillary Clinton.

    (Emphasis added.)

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  345. 345.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    lack of focus? Bernie doesn’t believe in racial issues.

    Right, but that’s my point. People vote on issues that affect them personally. Would you rather have white voters supporting a candidate with overtly racist “They took our jobs!” or a candidate focused on fixing overall income inequality, even if he’s not that good at racial issues specifically.

  346. 346.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    July 24, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @Cacti: The race was over when he didn’t crush Hillary in IA and NH. Those were states that were tailor made for him to show the magic of his “Revolution”. He didn’t do it and he was dead-man-walking from Wednesday February 10 on.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  347. 347.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @Arclite:

    Would you rather have white voters supporting a candidate with overtly racist “They took our jobs!” or a candidate focused on fixing overall income inequality, even if he’s not that good at racial issues specifically

    I’ll take door number 3, neither of the above.

    I’ll take a candidate who will run with the coalition that won us the White House the last 2 times, rather than the one who wants to fruitlessly chase the working class white vote.

  348. 348.

    Glidwrith

    July 24, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Cacti: Gracias.

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    D58826

    July 24, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    He didn’t just have to run against Clinton – he had to run against the entire democratic establishment.

    Is that what makes for an insurgent candidate. (sigh)

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    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: It doesn’t matter if the economy has improved if people haven’t perceived it as improving. And they haven’t. Perception of your position drives your vote.

  351. 351.

    Cacti

    July 24, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Arclite:

    Right, but that’s my point. People vote on issues that affect them personally.

    Correct. Minorities didn’t vote for Bernie because he disregarded the issues that affected them personally. He was another white Marxist boof peddling the white fantasy that economics will fix institutional racism.

  352. 352.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @Technocrat: Trump’s campaign has massive support from people with racist tendencies. Racism has many drivers, one major one is the bad economy. There are studies showing this stuff.

    Trump triumphed because he made an appeal to overt racism. That he could get away with it shows how strong that sentiment has become. Why is that? What has happened in the last 8 years? 1. Obama and the overt racism surrounding his presidency. 2. A shit economy, which drives racist sentiment.

  353. 353.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Cacti: Oh, absolutely. I was never discussing why black people didn’t vote for Bernie. I was discussing why lower-class white people were voting for Trump.

  354. 354.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 24, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @Trentrunner: The reason the little twit Hollandaise Bechamel is so sensitive about the world “scalp” is that, when trying to give himself a buzz cut with a belt sander last month, his hand slipped and he no longer has one.

    Maybe next time you can try lighting a blunt with a blowtorch & burn your face off, you twerp.

  355. 355.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @Technocrat:

    Arclite was going with the trope that those in economic distress are actually more racist, which I don’t necessarily agree with.

    Disagree all you like, but it’s not my personal opinion, or the way I wish the world to be. It’s a proven, measurable phenomena.

  356. 356.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    July 24, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @Arclite: How many people voted in January?

    The University of Michigan Index of Consumer Sentiment (3 month moving average) is at the highest level since January 2007. (See the Excel link).

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  357. 357.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Then why do a majority of them vote Republican, particularly in the South?

    But voters aren’t being economic nihilists when they vote for Repubs. John Republican says, “Those people are getting free steaks!” so racist people vote for John, and in the South he gets elected. Then John takes $15M in campaign contributions from corporations X, Y, and Z who then lobby him to loosen up import restrictions and H1-Bs for their businesses. Which destroys the economy. Now this kind of lobbying can effect both parties, but certainly the Repubs are the more pro-business party.

  358. 358.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    @Technocrat:

    I’m sure they are some possible legislative remedies. But would those be enough to stem the tide?

    Bleh. Hard to say. I would hope so. I’m so depressed about the American economy right now. The monopolies and duopolies in so many industries. The union breaking. The capital flight and tax havens. The lobbying and campaign contributions to further rig things in favor of big business over regular workers.

  359. 359.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Wasn’t arguing his current views. Someone said back in 2006 he was a conservative. Someone else asked for proof. I provided it. I wasn’t saying anything about his views now.

  360. 360.

    Arclite

    July 24, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    @Cacti:

    I’ll take a candidate who will run with the coalition that won us the White House the last 2 times, rather than the one who wants to fruitlessly chase the working class white vote.

    Well, sure. I voted for Hill in the primary and will again in the general. But for a lot of people out there during the primary, she was off the table. Now that it’s over, my hope is those people will choose governing competency over overt racism.

  361. 361.

    J R in WV

    July 24, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    More power to you all! That is what adults do, get up and keep on going.

    I’m doing what I can… contributing, and will volunteer.

    Best of luck to you!

  362. 362.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    @Arclite:

    John Republican says, “Those people are getting free steaks!” so racist people vote for John, and in the South he gets elected. Then John takes $15M in campaign contributions from corporations X, Y, and Z who then lobby him to loosen up import restrictions and H1-Bs for their businesses.

    And when those racist voters find out that John Republican did that … they vote for him again. And again. And again. Because their fear that Those People might get free steaks is stronger than their desire for good jobs or a functional government.

    That’s why you’re getting so many sighs. Obama and the Democrats implemented the largest social program in 40 years, one that is literally saving people’s lives, and racist voters immediately turned around and voted Democrats out of office because they heard that Those People were going to benefit from Obamacare just like everyone else and they would rather go without health insurance for themselves and their families than have Those People get the same benefits.

  363. 363.

    Mnemosyne

    July 24, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Arclite:

    Now that it’s over, my hope is those people will choose governing competency over overt racism.

    They’ve never done it before in the past 30 years, so I’m not sure why you think they’ll do it this time. IMO, our best bet is to increase voter turnout among non-racist voters, not hope that racist voters will finally see the error of their ways.

  364. 364.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    July 24, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @Arclite: Kaine wasn’t a “conservative” in 2006. A reprint of a Raising Kaine article from 2006:

    Kaine then turned his focus to George Allen, and specifically his racist “macaca” comments of last week. Kaine received a huge round of applause and cheers – he had to stop his speech for about 30 seconds or so – when he referenced the diverse Arlington crowd and declared, forcefully, “THIS is the real Virginia.”

    After the cheering stopped, Kaine emphasized that it was Virginians who wrote equality and freedom of religion into the US Constitution. Specifically referring to the “incident with Senator Allen,” Kaine sarcastically noted that “if Pocahontas had not shown hospitality to new Americans, we wouldn’t even BE here!” Kaine declared the need for Virginia t be “open, welcoming, inclusive” – in stark contrast to George Allen’s vision of Virginia – and added, “THAT is the real Virginia that I’m proud about!”

    On other issues, Kaine listed his accomplishments during his first 7 months in office. In particular, Kaine noted “the biggest investment in history in the Chesapeake Bay,” an increase in teachers’ salaries, funding for higher eduation, and aid to small businesses in order that they can buy health care for their employees. Overall, Kaine said that he will continue his approach to “bringing people together, not dividing them” – again, a not-so-subtle jab at Allen.

    On transportation, Kaine was feisty, declaring that “we’re going to really battle” and that, although he’s “a lover not a fighter,” he doesn’t “shy away from a fight.” Based on these comments, I think it’s fair to say that we should have an interesting, entertaining special session on transportation this September!

    Kaine concluded by stressing the diversity of his Administration, once again taking a swip at George Allen by stressing that “we are building a team that is about the ‘real’ Virginia” – diverse. Kaine also declared that “we are on a roll as a Democratic Party,” that people are “responding to our message of inclusion, and rejecting [the Republicans’] message of division.” In addition, people are realizing that the Democrats are the people who “get things done,” while the Republicans tell you “what you can’t do.” Kaine felt confident that Democrats would make gains both this November, as well as next November in the General Assembly election. I sure hope he’s right!

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  365. 365.

    Dalai Rasta

    July 24, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: We care about Czechoslovakia, because the proletariat recognizes the entrenched corruption of the Dubček government. It used to be Dubček and his subversives could slip by, unnoticed, without any real challenges. Not anymore.

  366. 366.

    Citizen Alan

    July 24, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Vote Tim Canova, he’s not crooked like DWS!

    Thank you for bringing Tim Canova’s name to my attention. I don’t know who the hell he is, but since you’ve recommended him, I can safely assume he’s another Bernie-Ass who shouldn’t be allowed to scrub toilets at DNC headquarters let alone in a position of authority which he can abuse to wreck the Democratic Party.

  367. 367.

    Citizen Alan

    July 24, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    I find your mewling presence on this site offensive. Ain’t free speech a bitch sometimes.

    Also: SCALP!

  368. 368.

    Dalai Rasta

    July 24, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Ummm, outside of the Western bubble you’ve been living in, Imre Nagy was well known for his autocratic tendencies. Especially at the Council of Ministers in Budapest, he was exposed as being a capitalist running-dog and a subversive.

  369. 369.

    Dalai Rasta

    July 24, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

  370. 370.

    Applejinx

    July 24, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @hovercraft: Is it that hard to believe that Clinton got better?

  371. 371.

    AnotherBruce

    July 24, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Now you know there’s too much nuance in Kaine’s abortion positions. That aint allowed!

  372. 372.

    J R in WV

    July 24, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Are your brains more hollandaise or bechamel?

    In what universe is this kind of divisive bull shit a good thing when fighting both a nazi maniac here and a russian tsar at the same time?

  373. 373.

    J R in WV

    July 24, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    These “issues” are so much tripe compared to the real issues facing the country, and you specifically are not doing anything to help with the real issues.

    1) Why would anyone expect a political party to support an outsider who hasn’t ever lifted a finger to help anyone in that party over a woman who has spent her entire adult like working for that party?

    2) No one in the DNC actually did anything more than talk about how to deal with the outsider who is still to this day fucking with the Democratic party.

    3) The emails are being released by Russian hackers to benefit a Republican nominee who can destroy the NATO alliance, the American way of life, and the world economy. Are you proud of that future? Why are you working, hoping to bring it about?

  374. 374.

    Ella in New Mexico

    July 24, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Why would anyone expect a political party to support an outsider who hasn’t ever lifted a finger to help anyone in that party over a woman who has spent her entire adult like working for that party?J R in WV:

    Because they accepted Sanders as a Democratic candidate.
    Because they told the voters every thing was neutral.
    Because they lied, and tried to sway the election.

    If this was anyone other than Hilary Clinton, who I will still happily vote for over Trump, YOU would be arguing otherwise.

    That, my friend is HYPOCRISY. And it does not reflect the Democratic Party I have supported so far. Because, GUESS WHAT: WINNING IS NOT EVERYTHING FOR MOST HUMAN BEINGS IN THE UNITED STATES.

  375. 375.

    redshirt

    July 24, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @J R in WV: As long as a Democrat doesn’t win, whatever.

  376. 376.

    Origuy

    July 24, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    So to counter my taking offense at racism against Native Americans

    Why do you assume scalping is a racist reference to Native Americans? Scalping is mentioned in Herodotus as a practice of the Scythians of Central Asia.

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