Attracted by the agonized squeals emanating from “Even the Liberal” thread below, I began reading the comments and learned that Hillary Clinton had turned around and hired the ousted Debbie Wasserman Schultz!
“OMFG,” I thought. “You are so goddamned gangsta with an ‘A,’ Hillary Clinton, to deflate the dingy cargo pants of so many bros who were positively tumescent with glee at having slain History’s Greatest Monster on the eve of the Democratic Party convention!”
So what position was DWS hired for, I wondered — from what lofty perch will she continue her evil machinations? Senior Stamper-Outer of People-Powered Revolutions? Earnest Moppet Dream-Crushing Consultant? Patchouli-Repellent Developer? Chief Unicorn Slayer?
I looked for tidings of DWS’s next act at the usual political news outlets but found nothing except a statement from the Clinton camp saying DWS is now Clinton’s “honorary chair” for a 50-state GOTV program and will continue to act as a surrogate in Florida. Seriously, that’s it?
Congrats, Berniacs who are bellowing like ruptured cows over this face-saving sop to a long-time party hack: You are now officially dumber than the PUMAs of aught-eight.
PatrickG
First!
Hey, more substantive than Reggie Mantle.
PatrickG
Achievement unlocked, time for bed.
ETA: Second!
Mustang Bobby
It’s like one of those titles that they give kids when they visit the police department on a field trip: “Deputy Special Assistant Detective.”
Baud
@Mustang Bobby: Wow. I can’t believe the cops would be so irresponsible as to give that position to a child.
divF
Just arrived at my hotel in DC after a semi-redeye from California. It was mostly inspiring watching a super-TBogg (600+) unfold on the plane, but I have to admit that the trolls were a little tiresome.
Big R
Good morning from Poznan! I have nothing scheduled today, so I got up early and went looking for breakfast. Ninety minutes later, having found a cup of coffee served by a very pretty barista whose English was much better than my Polish, I gave up and went into a convenience store in search of calories.
I came out with a half liter of lemonade and a nectarine so sweet I can feel my teeth rotting. Currently sitting between the opera house and the Kaiser’s castle resting my legs. As an Arrogant American, my ability to walk today is fairly tested. My legs ache more or less – mostly more.
What’s on the agenda for today? Going to go back to the hotel to grab my backpack and my conference ID, since said ID entitles me to free public transit. Then hop the bus to the old city and take in the cathedral. I keep smiling at people, hoping that someone will smile back. But Poles seem pretty dour. I suppose if my cultural history had been defined by Chopin and being mistaken for being German or Russian, I might be less than friendly to random smiling strangers too.
Or maybe they have fucking lives and don’t exist to satisfy my weird insistence on a rictus.
Baud
At this rate, we’ll never get to 600.
I’m going to try to get a couple of hours more sleep.
Big R
@Baud:
No one can talk to me unless they’re smiling.
There, that ought to stir the pot.
Ryan
“Congrats, Berniacs who are bellowing like ruptured cows over this face-saving sop to a long-time party hack: You are now officially dumber than the PUMAs of aught-eight.”
I live in hope that mockery will help this problem, unfortunately we need these people to vote in November. Christ, does no one remember the Bush years? And how did that whole Nader thing work out in terms of changing the party from outside?
Betty Cracker
@Big R: Never been to Poland, but I did visit other parts of Eastern Europe 20 or so years ago. I also noticed that people there seemed generally less smiley and effusive than Americans are in public.
Partisancheese
Nice straw man Bernie bro argument. This is getting pathetic. Does this website have a deal with the DNC? Cause if you don’t, you are missing an opportunity with your blatant DNC, Clinton cheerleading. I see you guys don’t mock right-wing websites that much anymore. I guess its cause you are employing similar styles and tactics these days. Keep on sticking your fingers in your ears and continue on with the epistemological closure, you are in for a rude wake up in November. It’s sad, this site used to provide decent opinion and commentary. Now its just mainly hostile to anyone who isn’t on board the Clinton train, or cheerleading establishment Democrats. It’s too bad.
nastybrutishntall
@Ryan: all five unreconstructed Berners who read BJ are now totes voting for Johnson. In other news, water is wet.
Big R
@Betty Cracker: Wonder if it might have anything to do with the post Soviet heritage and the possibility of the secret police. Although we are getting farther removed from the time of Solidarinosç.
nastybrutishntall
@Partisancheese: We should support all the Dems being nominated for President, not just Clinton! Good. I like your style.
Betty Cracker
@Ryan: My guess is that the number of people who will actually not vote for Clinton because she named DWS an “honorary chair” on a sub-program is vanishingly small. And they probably voted for Jill Stein in 2012 because Obama “betrayed” them. Like the PUMAs before them, they are as significant as a fart in a whirlwind, and while every vote is important, some folks just aren’t persuadable, and attempting to placate them is a waste of time.
Big R
@Partisancheese: Sad, I tell you! The losers and haters at this site are so low-energy. Sad!
Micheline
@Partisancheese: Bernie Bros deserve to be mocked considering we have a fascist the head of ticket of a major party. Moreover, Sanders didn’t have the numbers to win the nomination so all this whining is really pointless. Besides, anyone using Cornel West as a surrogate shows that Sanders didn’t know squat about the black community.
Betty Cracker
@Big R: I wondered that too when I visited back in 1995, when the region wasn’t so far removed from its Soviet satellite past. But it’s still going on all these years later. Maybe it’s just a cultural thing.
magurakurin
@Partisancheese:
you do realize that the primary is over and we are now into the Death Match phase of the election. It’s Thunderdome, two walk in and only one walks out. You are either pushing Clinton over the finish line or you aren’t. The time for discussion is over. If you are shocked at the full partisan nature of the discussion at this moment in time…you need a program.
Zero sum game. Either Clinton or Trump.
Once she takes office in January, the circular firing squad will resume. Maybe you should come back then. But don’t forget to pull the lever for Hillary Clinton in November and send her some coin if you can.
Big R
@Betty Cracker: I officially win the morning, a la Politico, because when you ask me how I spent the morning, my answer is, “I got lost in, then took a dump in, the Kaiser’s palace.” This might be the coolest thing I have ever said in my life.
Big R
@Big R: I can’t edit on mobile apparently, so I’ll add here: I found a bathroom. I didn’t just drop trou in the old throne room (pun intended). I’m not a savage.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Betty Cracker:
Wait, wasn’t DWS already working for Clinton? Now it’s official.
How you can spin this as anything other than an unmitigated disaster for the neoliberal warmongers of the Democratic Party is beyond me.
DWS is fucking corrupt. Good riddance.
And yes, this pie TASTES DELICIOUS!!!!
Mmmmhmmmmm!
Are you sure you don’t want a piece?
Betty Cracker
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Got those links we discussed last night yet, or are you ready to admit you were talking out of your ass? Much like the election, it’s a binary choice, brosephus. Put up or shut up.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Partisancheese:
This!
Bring up Clintons faults and its full on RIDE OR DIR MOTHERFUCKER!
As far as Cole having a deal with the DNC, I find that highly doubtful. He gives us Bernie supporters plenty of attention ;)
I do think the front pagers like Betty and Annie and Tom have their heads stuck up their asses when it comes to Clinton, but that’s to be expected. They’re long time apparatchiks within the DNC establishment. They can feel the party realigning, so getting Clinton elected is their war of attrition. No matter how many poor people continue to die under Clintons neoliberal policies doesn’t matter to people like them.
Origuy
@Big R: Versailles was built with very few toilets; courtiers were known to relieve themselves in corners. I presume a palace built by Germans would be more practical.
Pangloss
@Ryan: I made the mistake of posting something positive about Tim Kaine yesterday (that Kaine volunteered to help the poor in Honduras, while Trump has his line of shirts made in sweat shops there), and have been inundated with attacks from Bernie-ites all day. Did you know that Hillary single-handedly masterminded a coup in Honduras in 2009, just to set Central American democracy back half a century, put corporate thugs in charge of the country, kill off thousands of people hungry for democracy, and placate her hyper-capitalist overlords?
I had to do a few hours studying about the coup to see if any of the allegations of evil had merit (as I suspected, there’s some slight element of truth in a few small parts of the criticism, but no hint of malice, planning, or outright sadism on Clinton’s part). I found no evidence linking Hillary to the murder of Berta Caceres as two different nuts insisted (she was killed nearly 2 years after Clinton left State and 5 years after the coup), and I could not figure out who they meant when they said Hillary supported the raping of women. And then I had to learn a few new mots d’art of the Bernie Brigade– I was accused of “virtue signalling” because I posted that Kaine’s wife attended school in mostly black areas of Richmond, VA at the height of a school busing controversy (which I found interesting because I did also, three grades behind her).
These folks are really something. It’s as though there’s no proportionality, compromise, or degrees left in American politics. There are no mitigating factors, no benefit of the doubt, no allowance for trying to work within the system. Good-naturedly accepting one dollar or a kind word from the wrong person/group/union/industry is utterly damning and wholly disqualifying. If you take ANY money from a bank or bankers, you’re a corporate stooge. If you don’t defend Central American presidents seeking to change the constitution to extend their term of office (and in doing so ignore the advice of the Mexican President to stay out of it), you are directly responsible for murders and rapes– even well after you’re out of office.
I agree this is a lot worse than aught-eight. I can’t imagine how we go back to acceptable levels of civility from where we are now, but I hope it doesn’t require calamity.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Betty Cracker:
Haha, I like that…brosephus!
If you’re talking about the Iran deal that Canova supports, then yes I agree that’s an awful position. Same thing goes for Sanders Imperialist foreign policy beliefs.
BUT HOW YOU THINK THATS WORSE THAT DWS SHITTING ON POOR PEOPLE AND STEALING THEIR MONEY THROUGH PREDATORY LENDING IS DESPICABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which brings us to the binary debate.
Clinton, Trump, Clinton, Trump.
They both suck.
Betty Cracker
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: What you and stinky cheese don’t get (because you’re idiots) is that this post is not supportive of DWS. The big clue there is the reference to her as a “party hack” in the last sentence.
It also doesn’t contain a strawman — the outraged Bernie Bros referenced in the post are real, and unlike you, I can link to them. Here’s an example of a “strawman,” from a reply you wrote to me last night in another thread:
When I called your bluff repeatedly, you didn’t substantiate your claim because you can’t, so you’re just building more strawmen. That makes you a lying punk.
Tokyokie
@Partisancheese: A Trump presidency wouldn’t merely be a rude wake up for Balloon Juice denizens, it would be one for mankind. And by the way, I voted for Bernie in the primary.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Pangloss:
Bro/ette, she didn’t just take a couple bux here.
SHES RECEIVED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
I agree there’s a lot of hyperbole going on, but on this issue its totally valid.
Beginning with Bill in the 90s, the Democrats have slowly become the party of big business and wall st. When the democrats are supposedly the bastions of the working class, their sychophancy for corporate interests becomes a major fucking problem.
Shalimar
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Hell, you’re going to be lousy company in the gulag.
Betty Cracker
Just caught a rerun of Chuck Todd’s interview with Senator Sanders yesterday. Thankfully, he’s a lot smarter and more honest than his most vocal supporters.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Betty Cracker:
Ahhhhh, now I understand the links comment.
I’m a lying punk now! I personally like Mnemonyse and Cactis epithets better, but berners can’t be choosers around here…
Perhaps I made a mistake in lumping you in as a DWS die hard. I assumed that you posting that Tampa Clinton rally pic of DWS meant you supported her.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
There was a hilarious South Park episode where the police got the kids involved in police work: “Li’l Crime Stoppers” (2003).
Meth lab.
Hit the showers.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Let me help ya out kid; one of those 2 people will be taking the oath of office for President of the United States on January 20, 2017.
ETA: If Trump doesn’t scare the livin’ shit out of ya, you’ve got problems. Try prunes, my nurse recommends them.
Pangloss
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: I wasn’t speaking of Hillary per se– I’ve heard similar (though not as strident) criticisms of Obama, Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker, and Jon Tester. There would still be money in politics without Citizens United, but there wouldn’t be Citizens United if a few thousand liberals didn’t register displeasure with Democrats by voting for Nader in New Hampshire and Florida in 2000.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Betty Cracker:
Yes, thank you for this. Sanders kept his word just like he always said he would, and I’ve always said he would support Clinton in the end. Of course, I thought he’d last til after the DNC convention. He asked for the resignation of DWS as one of his stipulations and got it.
Now, let’s see how long Clinton opposes the TPP. I say the odds of her flip flopping back to her original position by next March as 3:1 especially after the big business pick of Kaine as her VP.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Pangloss:
I used to agree with you on Nader sabotaging Gore in Florida, but if you look at the exit polls, 300k democrats defected to Bush. So the fact isn’t that Nader stole it more than its the fact democrats said fuck you to Gore.
Big R
@Origuy: I don’t know. It’s a gorgeous cultural center, though. I was delighted to get to wander around.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
@Pangloss:
Oh, you’re totally spot on with this! The democrats have begun the split ala their republican counterparts. There is a tea party movement within the Democratic Party right now trying to disentangle itself from the establishment elites (like Schumer, booker, Clinton, boxer, Feinstein, Frank, fuck pretty much all of the elected officials and party apparatchiks).
Pretty much any Democrat that supports neoliberalism will become a target for the nascent left wing of the party. The greatest trick sanders pulled was giving these long alienated left wing democrats a voice in the party, which happened when he raised so much money (~27$) independent of the DNC.
Jonathan Holland Becnel
Good Talk, Becnel!
Joey Maloney
@Betty Cracker: Why Some Cultures Frown On Smiling: Finally, an explanation for Bitchy Resting Face Nation
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: Here’s what you’re missing, the conservatives in the Republican Party have been at this for over 50 years. They’ve worked on getting folk elected to school boards, country boards, state legs, governors, congresscritters(House and Senate). The left always seems to try for the big prize and think it’ll trickle down. It works about as well as trickle down Economics.
Betty Cracker
@Jonathan Holland Becnel: You’ve correctly identified yourselves as the ideological analog to the tea party assholes, but I think y’all lack the discipline to make the tail wag the dog like the tea party yahoos have done. That would require actually getting some folks elected to Congress. And the Bernie or Bust idiots are busily undermining any influence Sanders could have within the party. The prize of DWS will likely be your high water mark. Sad!
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Good job Becnel!
Right, isn’t that what you kept telling yourself? Especially when you were on one of your extended “My point is bullshit and stupid, but I’ll still keep whining about Hitlary!” comments?
Nice to see that you’re still a whiner. Well, no, not “nice.” What’s that word? “unsurprising”? Yeah, that’ll do.
You and Reggie, two of the bigger whiners and liars of recent days. You’re doing Deadbeat Donnie proud! Let’s hope his checks to you don’t bounce this time …
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Yeah, it was Yuuuge. Deadbeat Donnie will be so proud of your efforts here.
Whiner.
SFAW
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Word salad! It’s what for dinner and breakfast. For whiny morons, that is.
Good squawk, Becnel! Too bad your IQ hasn’t gone above room temperature.
Barney
As someone basically on the outside of this (British, but obviously wants Hillary to beat Trump, because he’s a narcissistic conman), I have to say, you’re part of the problem here, Betty. It’s a bit of a dick move by Hillary to immediately give DWS an ‘honorary’ title when she’s fairly obviously lacking in honour, and has been so for some time (debate scheduling, brown-nosing the loan extortion business, and I’ve seen many Democrats saying she wasn’t much good at the job of chair for years). To say that people who complain about this are worse than ’08 PUMAs is to be, yourself, one of the “I must grind my opponents into the dust, never mind party unity” people.
Beautifulplumage
Another lurker out for praise of BC! Pararagragh 2 is golden. Thank you…..stealing.
SFAW
@Barney:
Assuming for the moment that you are sincere (as opposed to someone like Reggie, who never has been): it’s not so much the complaining about the DWS move; it’s that the faux outrage-o-meter from the BernOrBuste-ers has always been at 11. The DWS thing — not the best choice for Hillary, probably should have waited a week or so, and ironic since DWS was never a big 50-Stater — is about as important as whether Trump said “God bless America” at the end of his acceptance speech. *
Seeing Reggie and Becnel pull their usual bullshit inspires the thought “This shit again? GMAFB.”
*He didn’t, by the way. Which is only important because had Obama done the same thing, the right-wing media would have pilloried him for3 days, or at least until they could make up some new “outrage.”
Applejinx
@Barney: Yeah, but Betty is right. It’s a sop. I’ve said before that Hillary will give Debbie some kind of retirement, a cushy sinecure, and this could well be it (possibly with an element of scolding: does DWS WANT to run a 50-state strategy or is she expected to not do anything?)
@Betty Cracker: Seems like there are not even enough Bernie Or Busters to cause a disruption, forcing the Russians to bus in fakes? I’m not shocked. Bear in mind that Bernie is specifically telling people to support Clinton, and what’s more those who actually listened to his speeches (I feel ya: to this day I’m not really going out to listen to Clinton speeches even though I’d crawl over broken glass to give her my vote against Trump, and I know a lot of people felt the same about Bernie and went entirely on secondhand snark re: what he was actually saying)… those who listened know Bernie was talking about getting involved, civic duty, running for small offices.
As much as people wish to make it a cult of personality with no platform and a cult-like belief in a magic unicorn to transform all government, that framing was coming from the Clinton camp and the DNC.
And that’s why the Russians are having a hard time finding a sufficient number of useful idiots. They find some, but it’s not really enough.
SFAW
WTF? I thought that title was reserved for Jimmy Carter. Or The Black Jimmy Carter. Or someone else.
ETA: Strong letter to follow.
msdc
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Yes, I can’t wait to see Tom, Anne, and Betty Cracker gaveling the convention to order this week. Preferably while smoking cigars and wearing pinstripe suits labeled “LONG TIME APPARATCHIK.”
SFAW
@msdc:
In Russian?
Oh, wait, that would be Trumpsters. (Who, of course, are exactly the same as Hillbots, because Nader.)
Beautifulplumage
@Beautifulplumage: oops, “would attribute to”*
*assuming any rare post to fbookies; and, sadly, no birds or blogs to promote
Aimai
@Barney: so, so, dumb. The lefts determination to attack each and every head of the DNC as a morally compromised gailure is extremely counterproductive. The soi disant left has been demanding that terry macsuliffe, tim ksine, and now DWS commit ritual suicide as their term ends for years. That will make it increasingly hard to fill this role. Its childish, spiteful, and just plain ungrateful to humiliate and attack people who have worked hard for the party just because you dont like the candidate who has been nominated or the donors or some other rumored vague grudge. Good for hillary for refusing to bow to these extortionate, ugly, demands. I cant wait for bernies money to run out and his paid revolutionary staff to turn on each other. If the berners treatment of everyone else is any evidence the back stabbing, purity mongering, and personal attacks will be epic.
Barney
@SFAW: (& @Applejinx):
The problem is that Betty, being a front-pager, is doing her best to keep the drama and name-calling going with this new thread. She could have just thought “who cares, few people make it down into the depths of Balloon Juice comments to see what some anonymous commenters are saying”, but instead, she’s gleefully laid out her latest anti-Bernie supporter insults in a new thread for everyone to see on the front page. And then made the hypocritical claim those supporters are dumber than the ’08 PUMAs.
It really would look better if she were a gracious winner, rather than someone whose never going to let the losers forget how it turned out.
@Aimai: and your post is another example of trying your best to piss off potential allies.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Barney: Same song, different verse. And the chorus is:
The only ones left to piss off are the ones who were never going to vote for Clinton in the first place. They’re just abusive asswipes.
Quick, tell me, is this a Bernie dead-ender or an abusive spouse:
“You just need to do everything I ask, promptly and perfectly.”
SFAW
@Barney:
Actually, starting a week or two ago, the non-BernOrBust-ers stopped, for the most part, bashing the Bust-ers and Bernie.
And yest, here are Reggie and Becnel, spewing their particular brand of whatever. Reggie is here to tell us — FPers and commenters alike — that we all fucking suck. The words may change slightly, but the intent is the same. And he NEVER — well, almost never — responds to the numerous requests to “show his work” (so to speak). The smart money says he’s a Trump Troll, but it’s not a lock that he is.
Becnel is/has been a whiner, is still fighting the last battle, spouts some weird shit at times, and tries to pretend that he’s open-minded about any of this. He’s not, he’s just here to troll.
Tough to be a “gracious winner” when the second-place finishers keep up their disingenuous bullshit, and do it with the intent of being assholes.
SFAW
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
I don’t consider my wife abusive.
(Right, honey? Was that the right answer?)
ETA: And before anyone gets all bent: no, I don’t consider spousal abuse to be funny, having witnessed it more than enough.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@SFAW: LOL
I do wonder sometimes if Bernie is self-aware enough to be embarrassed by his last-gasp loyalists.
Nah, they’re mostly just taking his scold mode up to 11. Which is one reason I really, really didn’t like him from the start.
Barney
@SFAW: Except that ‘Reggie’ isn’t in this thread, he’s somewhere else, and Betty and you are giving extra publicity to his and Becnel’s complaints and/or trolling, by putting them on the front page (I hadn’t heard about Hillary giving DWS any position, and it does disappoint me a little. I can see it could make someone think “typical politician move, thinks of other politicians first”, and putting them off volunteering, for instance, though since I’m in the UK, it doesn’t affect anything I’d do).
The message I get from this is: ignore Betty’s open threads, she just uses them to work out her frustrations with commenters, and they just attract other angry people intent on settling scores from previous threads.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
Can’t edit, still. Someday I’ll get motivated enough to find out why.
@SFAW: I’m friends with a couple who joke often that the husband’s death certificate will give his cause of death as suicide by redhead. I took yours in the same vein.
Betty Cracker
@Barney: At the risk of giving the erroneous impression that I covet your approval of the topics I choose to write about, I’ll clarify something that I assumed was blindingly obvious: I’m not talking about “Bernie-supporters” in general but a specific subset in the 600-plus comment thread below who were losing their shit about the so-called DWS “hire.”
Their hysterical reaction honest-to-dog led me to believe that Clinton had named DWS her campaign manager or something until I looked into it and found out it was just a meaningless “honorary” appointment for a party hack who got burned. And yeah, the people in the thread below do sound like a bunch of idiot PUMAs rending their garments and gnashing their teeth about the latest “slap in the face.” I stand by the comparison.
SFAW
@Barney:
Except that Betty, in her opening sentence, referred to — pretty clearly — a thread from last night, wherein Reggie was pulling his usual bullshit, and Becnel was back “in form.” And when she went to see what all the hubbub was about, it turned out to be, as the saying goes, a “nothingburger,” and thought she should note that.
ETA: Or, what Betty just said.
Bobby Thomson
@Partisancheese: who the fuck are you?
Tom65
Needlessly confrontational and ham-fisted move by Clinton. We can argue about the level of garment-rending, but this really is an unforced error that plays into the narrative that she simply doesn’t give a shit.
different-church-lady
@divF:
Wow, they had a TBogg on the plane too?
different-church-lady
@Pangloss:
Hey, did you know there’s a photo of Bernie being arrested in the 60s?!?
tobie
@Jonathan Holland Becnel:
Ah yes, that’s what explains Dodd-Frank. Only a party in bed with the banksters could have passed that bit of legislation.
chopper
@divF:
I call it a “JumBogg”.
chopper
man, the bern-or-busters are really feeling their generic instant oats over this DWS thing for some reason.
Paul in KY
@Barney: It’s a political blog. The 1st rule of Political Blogging is to never let the losers forget why they lost. Kapiche?
Bartholomew
Still Not Too Late For Sanders
But it is too late for some things. (Was it this cracker bitch that tried to compare politics to a football game … ? Made me laugh, thanks.)
I already tried speaking to this corrupt monkeycage, but the shit stains are so thick you can’t see the response … just know that some, like me, are actually LIBERAL and paying attention, and therefore cannot vote Hillary under any circumstance. It’s the war, a conscience thing, I won’t waste time explaining … but now I am no longer a democrat thanks to BJuice. Thanks for helping me see there is no future in a ‘side’ that spits on its allies. Have a peanut, shit-throwers.
scav
@chopper: Because they really know damn well they lost and they lost hard.
SFAW
@Bartholomew:
Thanks for sharing, Andy, or FIBark, or whoever you are today. I’m sure you’re at least as “liberal” as RtR and Gary Johnson.
Miss Bianca
@Barney: Hey, Barney, how’s that Brexit vote working out for ya? I can tell you must be a savvy political organizer from across the water, so please talk to us about what you did to help educate people in voting their real interests and coming together across the political aisle. What you’re doing now that Brexit appears to be a fait accompli.That might make a refreshing change from your meeping about how *we* choose to organize to fight against our local-grown fascist candidate on the right and purity ponies on the left.
WaterGirl
The non-troll folks on this thread who are doing the back-and-forth with the trolls and the Bernie dead-enders do realize that you have given this entire thread over to the trolls, right? Totally useless.
This is what the trolls want. We need to be smarter than this or the next 3 months are going to totally suck on BJ.
scav
@WaterGirl: In a thread with a really big pie at the very top? Please. This is the designated mud pit.
cleek
@Bartholomew:
you’re no liberal. you’re a snowflake.
Mnemosyne
@Bartholomew:
Well, then, enjoy the warm glow of satisfaction that you’ll get knowing that you voted for a guy financed by a foreign government. A guy who white supremacists from around the world are flocking to.
But that’s okay, because you still have a grudge from 15 years ago to nurse, so current events aren’t important.
ETA:
Nope, that was me. Care to call me a bitch to my face, asshole?
Mnemosyne
@WaterGirl:
As scav said, I think this is our opportunity to roll around in the mud with the trolls for those of us who enjoy such things. There are cat pictures above for the normals.
;-)
SFAW
@cleek:
Snowflake? As in “special snowflake”? Or is there an alternate meaning?
Disclaimer: I am NOT aware of all Internet traditions.
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
Oh, come on, it’s nothing so nefarious — it’s merely that Putin is aware of the man-crush that a lot of right-wingers have on him (because he’s a manly-man who would ship liberals to the gulag, etc.Just like Deadbeat Donnie?), and he thought he’d return the favor, by expressing his deep and abiding “admiration” for the only man as yuuuuge as he is (if you know what I mean). And what better way to express his admiration for an American version of himself than through money (to help stave off DD’s 47th bankruptcy) and leaking DNC stuff?
Don’t you feel ashamed of yourself now?
SFAW
@shomi:
Just wait until Hillary sighs (on mic) during the first debate.
scav
@Mnemosyne: Could also be part of a scientific program: throw out bait and then tag / count the number that show up. It’s not looking good for the long-term health of the species. I’m farily sure they’re not a viable breeding population.
Gian
@Pangloss:
Don’t forget the Jews for Fascist Pat! and the butterfly ballots, and the voter purges, and Katherine Harris and the GOP congressional staffers physically stopping the recount of votes.
Gian
@SFAW:
it’ll be OK Donna Brazille will work in some “earth tones”
SFAW
@scav:
They have incontrovertible evidence that jerking off into a Kleenex works. Well, not for reproducing, of course, but at least for almost simulating some part of the experience.
AliceBlue
Honorary Chair of 50 State GOTV? That sounds like the “Special Assistant Ranger” badge I got on a school field trip to a national park.
SFAW
@AliceBlue:
I’m guessing “Honorary Chair” might pay more, however.
Uncle Cosmo
@Big R: Congratulations on your venue! I loved Poznan when I spent a few days there a few years back. Unpretentious but fun.
Don’t miss the monument on the pavement in from of the university admin building. It’s a triangular bronze prism stood on its end, roughly human height IIRC, covered with letters & numbers. At the base are the names of the 3 Poznan mathematicians it memorializes–the ones whose initial work on cracking Enigma was given to the Brits by Poland at the start of the war & jumpstarted their own efforts. Arguably this trio contributed more to the eventual Allied victory than the rest of Poland put together.
Late one Saturday afternoon I came back into Poznan from a day trip to Torun & discovered the place was going nutz, as the local soccer team had just won the national championship. That night was Noc Muzej, Museum Night, when all the local museums were free entry as was public transit between them, & it was a bizarre scene with museum-goers lined up on the periphery of streets & squares while chanting crowds set off flares & firecrackers & waved huge flags in the middle…
Uncle Cosmo
@Betty Cracker: I remember my third trip to Prague in 1992, when I & the Significant-Ex dropped by the first McDonalds in town (on Vodickova ~100m from Wenceslas Square; now there’s one at the top of same square) just to see what Mickey D’s was like there. As we walked out she said, “Did you notice the big difference? The kid behind the counter smiled at us.” Yeah, I replied, & that was probably the hardest part of their training course: Learning to smile at the customers… The Czechs are better about that now (I spend time with friends in Prague most years) but it’s still a struggle.
Bobby Thomson
@SFAW: I’m guessing they both pay nothing. Whether zero is greater than zero is . . . Not all that interesting.
Goblue72
@Betty Cracker: then why waste time with your shit stirring? You talk out of both sides of your mouth so much I’d think it’s a mental condition.
Uncle Cosmo
@Big R: Probably. I first got to Eastern Europe just before the Iron Curtain came down, summer 1989, & I noticed that service personnel pegged the meter at either end: fall-all-over-you friendly or utterly hostile. Upon reflection I realized that from their perspective we were rich even if we weren’t, i.e., we could afford to pay for things that on their salaries they couldn’t, & no doubt some resentment came out of that. Of course that’s leveled out a bit in the ensuing decades. What remains is a kind of inbred reticence on the part of most of the locals; strangers in their midst have more often come bearing sorrow than joy.
Betty Cracker
@Goblue72: Says the crackpot who advocates murder and violence. Go back to your Middle Aged Barristers People’s Revolutionary Cosplay Group.
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne:
That made me laugh!
I just cannot wrap my head around the concept of fun with trolls. I would sooner beat my head against the wall!
Brachiator
@Barney:
Why only potential allies?
Sanders has endorsed Clinton and has promised to work hard to defeat Trump. This should also be the goal of every Bernie supporter. To vote for Clinton, which is the only way that Trump will be defeated.
There’s no point in mocking all Bernie supporters, only the ones who can’t let go.
On the other hand, there is no point in being a Bernie supporter anymore. The election choice is Clinton or Trump.
WarMunchkin
Anyone tracking the state delegation breakfasts? All speakers getting booed off the stage by Bernie delegates.
Barney
@Miss Bianca: That would be funnier if it didn’t rely on describing calling out a couple of anonymous blog commenters as ‘political organising’. If making jokes about the erections of a couple of guys on the internet is ‘political organising’, then the movement it’s for is doomed.