Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

No one could have predicted…

Infrastructure week. at last.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

In my day, never was longer.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

This fight is for everything.

Come on, man.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

Prediction: the GOP will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

I’d try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

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Now I’m Back And Not Ashamed To Cry

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This was amazing. Accept no substitutes.

(ETA: click back to the beginning to see her whole speech if you missed it).

I was in tears…so very proud to say this woman is the First Lady of the United States of America.

It looks like we could use a fresh DNC thread. Last one looks like comment overload. Carry on…Elizabeth is speaking now.

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491Comments

  1. 1.

    Trentrunner

    Sanders’ peroration tonight:

    In these stressful times for our country, this election must be about bringing our people together, not dividing us up. While Donald Trump is busy insulting one group after another, Hillary Clinton understands that our diversity is one of our greatest strengths. Yes. We become stronger when black and white, Latino, Asian-American, Native American – all of us – stand together. Yes. We become stronger when men and women, young and old, gay and straight, native born and immigrant fight to create the kind of country we all know we can become.

    It is no secret that Hillary Clinton and I disagree on a number of issues. That’s what this campaign has been about. That’s what democracy is about. But I am happy to tell you that at the Democratic Platform Committee there was a significant coming together between the two campaigns and we produced, by far, the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic Party. Among many other strong provisions, the Democratic Party now calls for breaking up the major financial institutions on Wall Street and the passage of a 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act. It also calls for strong opposition to job-killing free trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

    Our job now is to see that platform implemented by a Democratic Senate, a Democratic House and a Hillary Clinton presidency – and I am going to do everything I can to make that happen.

    I have known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. I remember her as a great first lady who broke precedent in terms of the role that a first lady was supposed to play as she helped lead the fight for universal health care. I served with her in the United States Senate and know her as a fierce advocate for the rights of children.

    Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president and I am proud to stand with her here tonight.

  2. 2.

    lamh36

    the superficial bit on FLOTUS

    intro video by JJ Abrams

    Dress by Chritian Siriano,which if you been paying attention to all the Leslie Jones/Ghostbusters/Twitter nonsense you’ll get why it’s a big get for Siriano (she’s worn him before, but this was obviously a MOMENT that will live on forever)

  5. 5.

    scottinnj

    Hopefully tomorrow they will fix the sound to take out the Bernie sore losers in the background.

  8. 8.

    patroclus

    Michelle was fantastic! Warren was very effective. Now, let’s see what Sanders can do. I’m hoping Bernie brings it and let’s Trump have it with both frickin barrels!!

  9. 9.

    Kay

    Michelle Obama’s husband liked it too:

    Incredible speech by an incredible woman. Couldn’t be more proud & our country has been blessed to have her as FLOTUS. I love you, Michelle.

  16. 16.

    James E Powell

    I’m wondering how much this night differs from the first night of the RNC in the eyes of average, low information voters? Or in the views of the corporate press/media. I see and hear big differences, do they?

  24. 24.

    Gex

    I’m watching the young, white Bernie supporters in my feed and I am amazed at how much Hillary hatred Bernie managed to stoke among them.

  25. 25.

    jamesjhare

    I am going to miss Michelle. Almost more than Barack. She has been an amazing example to just about anyone. I wish I was half the person she is.

  27. 27.

    CaseyL

    Sanders is up. Y’all are gonna have to describe his speech and the reaction to it, as I have turned off the sound.

  28. 28.

    Keith P.

    I was planning on making chicken piccata tonight, but I’ve been glued to my screen since Michelle Obama’s speech. I couldn’t watch earlier when all the pundits were talking about was the protesting (they’re trying to make parallel conventions, but they’d conveniently not say that Hillary united the convention with her speech). But everything I’ve see has been electric. And I watched last Monday, too, with Scott F’n Baio and Antonio Sabato Jr. (easily exceeded in star power by Demi Lovato belting out ‘Complicated’)

  32. 32.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @CaseyL: not just me, eh? I figure anything worth seeing and a good deal that’s not will be played later.

  35. 35.

    Mike J

    @Wag: Naked links cause moderation. type some descriptive text, highlight it with cursor, hit link button, and paste in link in popup.

  36. 36.

    rikyrah

    I loved my FLOTUS.

    I love her. I can’t help it. I have enjoyed watching her as FLOTUS even more than I enjoyed Barack Obama as POTUS.

    I will miss her terribly.

  37. 37.

    PsiFighter37

    Picture of a sobbing white woman holding Bernie signs. I’m sure her tears taste delicious.

  41. 41.

    PsiFighter37

    This must be what the sound of a mass of humanity masturbating to a cult leader sounds like.

  42. 42.

    slag

    Christ will he ever shut these people up? This is getting ridiculous. Someone bring MO back out.

  45. 45.

    CaseyL

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve been watching and listening up to now, and it’s been amazing. But I dislike Sanders and loathe his supporters. And am not sure I trust him to do the right thing with an auditorium of people cheering him like the Second Coming.

  46. 46.

    patroclus

    Raucous reception for the Bern-meister! This is when the Bernie bros should be cheering!

  48. 48.

    jamesjhare

    @rikyrah: She is a living breathing rebuke to every racist shitheel out there. If you want to believe in white supremacy you have to explain away Michelle Obama.

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    If you ever read Luvvie’s post about Bernie’s hair, then you’ll get this tweet:

    Awesomely LuvvieVerified account
    ‏@Luvvie Awesomely Luvvie Retweeted AJ
    PRAISE THE GOD OF HAIR GEL AND GOOD BRUSHES.

  51. 51.

    Chyron HR

    I’m a starman, waiting in the sky. I wanted to come and meet you, but your Democrat minds were not yet enlightened enough to receive my message.

    What did Bernie mean by this?

  52. 52.

    Patricia Kayden

    @lamh36: Silverman was great when she called out those Bernie or Busters. They are ridiculous. Wonder when they’ll stage their fart-in.

    What if Hillary supporters start chanting Bernie down like his supporters have done to Hillary supporters? Just saying. He needs to tell his supporters to stop being rude.

  57. 57.

    jamesjhare

    @rikyrah: I can’t wait until Crazy Hair Don’t Care Bernie comes back. When he started wearing his hair to look “presidential” is when he started losing his way.

  59. 59.

    Ella in New Mexico

    Just a fantastic speech from an incredibly genuine, awesome person. Who just happens to be the First Lady of the United States.

    I simply love her.

  60. 60.

    dmsilev

    @Baud: At the rate Sanders is talking, he’ll be out of prime time before finishing the first paragraph.

  64. 64.

    Paul Begala's Pink Tie

    Just tuning in, after seeing a few clips & tweets. Bernie better make this good, not talk too much about himself & his “revolution,” and endorse HRC a LOT more strongly than in his endorsement.

    Oops… “Revolution” as I type — and talking to his delegates about “looking forward to their votes tomorrow night”? This dick.

  65. 65.

    PsiFighter37

    Well, sounds like he’s going to make them do the roll call. Once an asshole, always an asshole.

  70. 70.

    hovercraft

    @Baud:
    Well he did want to be last in the program. And like with so much of their mishigas they are not helping the cause of spreading his message.

  72. 72.

    Downpuppy

    @Gex: Not exactly that Bernie ever stoked hatred, but the Conventional Wisdm™
    How do we tune out the background BS when it’s everywhere?

  73. 73.

    jamesjhare

    @Gex: Plenty of them hated Hillary to begin with. If you’re under the age of about 25 you’ve basically never seen anything but the right-wing caricature of Hillary in your lifetime.

  76. 76.

    Miss Bianca

    Damn. Just damn. I mean, Warren was good, but Michelle O was fabulous.

    Oh, crikey. Now Sanders.

  83. 83.

    hovercraft

    @jamesjhare:
    True, but basically calling her a corporate whore bought and owned by Goldman and the big banks did not help their misconceptions. Just sayin.

  84. 84.

    lamh36

    @dmsilev:

    @peteschroeder 3m3 minutes ago
    The part where Bernie praises his campaign will be the part networks carry before they cut away. They could miss the Hillary endorsement.

  91. 91.

    MisterForkbeard

    I’d be a lot more annoyed about this speech if I hadn’t skipped ahead in the prepared remarks to when he starts talking about Hillary.

    But holy shit, his crazy fucking supporters yelling at him to run. What. The. Hell. People.

  94. 94.

    dmsilev

    Let me be as clear as I can be. This election is not about, and has never been about, Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump, or Bernie Sanders or any of the other candidates who sought the presidency. This election is not about political gossip. It’s not about polls. It’s not about campaign strategy. It’s not about fundraising. It’s not about all the things the media spends so much time discussing.

    This election is about – and must be about – the needs of the American people and the kind of future we create for our children and grandchildren.

  95. 95.

    rikyrah

    Joel PavelskiVerified account
    ‏@joelcifer
    It’s like Michelle Obama is dropping me off at college right now and I just wanna cry and say don’t go but I can’t I have to be strong

  104. 104.

    Keith P.

    Bernie attacks the media to get the crowd to applaud his point. Well played, sir. Dems don’t do this enough.

  106. 106.

    dmsilev

    @Major Major Major Major: Agreed. I read through the prepared transcript, and he’s doing what he needs to do. I think most of his people will listen, and the few that don’t were a lost cause anyway.

  107. 107.

    debbie

    @MomSense:

    Why does he have to release them? Hillary’s got the majority and will win. Rubbing their noses in their failure will not deliver unity.

  110. 110.

    amk

    so bs temper tantrumed his way into speaking last after the ever popular flotus?

    what an effing clueless maroon.

  111. 111.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Anya: I loved Fringe! I wished it would have gone on longer and that there was a better ending for Walter.

    While the second one was meh, his Star Trek reboot hasn’t been bad and he did a good job with The Force Awakens.

  112. 112.

    Keith G

    @Anya: No he is doing okay (for who he is). This speech is all about his supporters and letting them feel that their efforts had a purpose and an impact. It is about getting them to be better able to move on. It’s a typical thing to do on the first night of a convention after a highly contested campaign.

  113. 113.

    patroclus

    Cubbies rallying v. the hated White Sox in the 9th! Oh sorry – I guess I should switch back to the grumpy old man.

  114. 114.

    dmsilev

    Coming up:

    We need leadership in this country which will improve the lives of working families, the children, the elderly, the sick and the poor. We need leadership which brings our people together and makes us stronger – not leadership which insults Latinos, Muslims, women, African-Americans and veterans – and divides us up.

    By these measures, any objective observer will conclude that – based on her ideas and her leadership – Hillary Clinton must become the next president of the United States. The choice is not even close.

  115. 115.

    hovercraft

    @Anya:
    His name is being put in nomination tomorrow, so it will be like the RNC last week, many Sandernistas still think the super delegates may have a last minute change of heart. So they will get to watch the dream die right in front of them.

  117. 117.

    MisterForkbeard

    I’m liking where this is going – he’s doing a very good job of explaining the stakes, and basically telling his delegates that voting for Hillary Clinton is not only the right thing to do for the movement – it’s the *moral* thing to do. I think that’s more likely to get through to the dead-enders than if he just told them to vote.

    His delivery isn’t great, though. But he’s clearly working hard on it.

  121. 121.

    Brachiator

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yes, also a lot of blown up starships and at least one fringe science incident!

    Ha! I’m beginning to suspect that Bernie is a fringe science incident.

  122. 122.

    Gemina13

    Michelle/Elizabeth 2024.

    I love Michelle Obama. She is an incredible woman, and she has been the epitome of grace, intelligence, strength, and class as FLOTUS. Her daughters and her husband are both fortunate to have her. It puts me in mind of a line from the Scriptures: “Her children arise, and call her blessed; her husband rises also, and praises her.”

    Let the fright wing keep Nancy Reagan. Michelle Obama is worth 100 of her.

  123. 123.

    CaseyL

    OK, I tuned in, in time to hear Sanders inveigh against bombast, divisiveness, and lack of concrete plans…. leading up to endorsing Hillary.

    Good. He did it. Thanks, Bernie.

    Oh god, he’s still talking. Don’t screw it up now, dude.

  125. 125.

    mike in dc

    Okay, dial down the hate to 4 or 5 from 11. He is doing what he had to do, albeit belatedly.

  129. 129.

    hovercraft

    @eclare:
    I’m sorry I’m finding it too close to his stump speech, with pro Obama and Hillary added in. I had grown so tired of his stump speech that I’m finding this boring.

  132. 132.

    Gex

    @Downpuppy:

    Well the people who I am referring to in my feed are friends and acquaintances whose attitudes turned nasty when the Bernie campaign decided to tell the whole world how very unfair it is that they were losing. How closed primaries are unfair. How Southern states going early are unfair. How the Clinton campaign using the same tactics as they used in Nevada was unfair. I put that on Bernie, not on the general perception of Hillary as painted by years of GOP smears.

    It might possibly be that when I talk about the people in my feed, I know what they are reacting to better than you do, since these are people I know.

  134. 134.

    Suzanne

    I am crying, and I never cry. I missed Booker, but Michelle Obama was just mindblowingly great, and Warren is always awesome.

    And I really like Bernie. I know he’s not popular around here, but I do think he’s great. I like HRC very much, as well, and I’m very proud to give her my vote.

    I’m really proud of the Democrats right now. And I’m terrified of the polls.

  136. 136.

    Mnemosyne

    I’m following along with his speech and he does seem to be going all in on the endorsement. And he’s getting booed and heckled for it. By his own supporters.

  138. 138.

    D58826

    THe most aggravating thing about the whole primary was Hillary and Bernie in general want the same thing they just differences on how fast to get there.

  139. 139.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Brachiator: I had to pause the play right before Congressman Kennedy, so I’m about five to ten minutes behind everyone else, but he’s getting where he’s supposed to get to.

  140. 140.

    Barbara

    @hovercraft: Yes, I was hoping for something at a somewhat higher level — it’s the last speech of the evening. We don’t need this kind of detail after hours of speeches.

  141. 141.

    Brachiator

    Bernie tried to turn the corner on purity by declaring that Hillary must be elected president.

    What alternative is there? What do the holdouts think can happen if they persist in their lack of acceptance?

  143. 143.

    Plantsmantx

    Never forget:

    INSKEEP: Help me understand what’s going on here though because you have mentioned the white vote in the past. The African-American working class has been voting for Democrats. If you looked at single women, who were often working class…

    SANDERS: You’re going into this – Steve, you’re going into this demographic stuff, which I reject. That’s not my cup of tea.

    INSKEEP: Although, you talked about it.

    SANDERS: Yes. Well, here’s what you got. What you got is an African-American president. And the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that’s kind of natural. You got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration. And you’ve got a Hispanic community, which is looking to the Democrats for help. But that’s not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing?

  145. 145.

    lamh36

    well if this is any indication of how long Sanders would have been…I’m glad they went with FLOTUS first

  147. 147.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Suzanne: You know, I’ve always liked Bernie’s plans and ideas. It’s really great to not have to deal with his increasingly toxic campaign/supporters and just enjoy the fact that he’s pushing for good policy again.

  148. 148.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I notice so-called Liberal MSNBC keeps focussing their crowd shots on Bernie’s white supporters

    Cecile Richards in the box with Bubba?

  152. 152.

    magurakurin

    He’s doing good. Let’s give him credit where it is do. He is trying to do the right thing. He is becoming a full fledged Democrat right before our eyes. His resisted it all his political life…I’m willing to give him some slack here.

  154. 154.

    hcarthagen

    Booker’s speech was full of platitudes and cliches
    Michelle – well she will go down as the most influential and beloved First Lady in the history of America.
    Warren was effective
    Bernie can go fuck himself.

    ETA: I choked up while listening to MichelleO

  155. 155.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    Why is the old man yelling at me?

    Actually Bernie’s not doing bad at all, a bit long winded but hitting the right notes.

  156. 156.

    Cacti

    I’ll say it loud and proud.

    I’m going to miss the Obamas so fucking much I can hardly stand it.

  159. 159.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I wanted to see Leonard Nimoy as the cow.

    OK, that…that’s got to be the most “WTF?!” sentence of the evening for me. Altho’ it is still early.

    @hovercraft: You know what? The alte kocker is doing all right, for me. Better than I had hoped.

  160. 160.

    eclare

    I never watched his stump speech. OK, glad someone is finally mentioning SCOTUS, but I thought I heard something weird a minute ago.

  161. 161.

    dmsilev

    OK, so Trump escaped his handlers and made it to his phone again:

    Sad to watch Bernie Sanders abandon his revolution. We welcome all voters who want to fix our rigged system and bring back our jobs.

    It’s like he’s not even trying any more.

  162. 162.

    Skerry

    I was hoping for a tweet about Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Warren. But he just did this:

    Donald J. TrumpVerified account
    ‏@realDonaldTrump
    Sad to watch Bernie Sanders abandon his revolution. We welcome all voters who want to fix our rigged system and bring back our jobs.
    10:04 PM – 25 Jul 2016
    4,493 retweets 9,872 likes

  164. 164.

    Joel

    @Barbara: Bernie was doing really well when he was hitting the overarching themes of the election. But he really doesn’t nail those finer points very effectively. I don’t know what it is, they just don’t *land*. The points are all salient, though.

  167. 167.

    slag

    It would be nice if he mentioned that Citizens United Not Timid (classy, as always) was actually instigated by a Republican desire to do a political hit job on Hillary.

  168. 168.

    PsiFighter37

    I wonder why folks have never gotten Bernie to answer the question that his free college plan would actually benefit the wealthier folks in the country.

  169. 169.

    patroclus

    This is a good substantive speech by Bernie and will hopefully help convince his supporters to rally around Hillary – he’s doing what he needs to do.

  172. 172.

    Mnemosyne

    @Gemina13:

    Yes, but when the president told this joke at the White House Correspondents Dinner, I don’t think he was really kidding:

    But the prospect of leaving the White House is a mixed bag. You might have heard that someone jumped the White House fence last week, but I have to give Secret Service credit — they found Michelle, brought her back, she’s safe back at home now. It’s only nine more months, baby. Settle down.

  173. 173.

    Beatrice

    He’s doing great, I don’t think you could ask more of him than this. There is absolutely nothing half-hearted about this.

  174. 174.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Aimai: Great show. Excellent casting. Well written. The season long story arcs didn’t go sideways. And lens flare!

  175. 175.

    Joel

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: MSNBC knows their audience.

    I mean, cable news is consumed primarily by a very, very narrow demographic. So yeah, they’re not going for universal appeal. Coincidentally, I haven’t watched more than five minutes of broadcast news in a decade, if not longer.

  176. 176.

    MisterForkbeard

    @hcarthagen: No. He’s doing a good thing now, however much we think he should have given thing kind of speech six weeks ago.

    This should go a long way to quieting the BernieBros and every time they say something about Hillary I’m just going to post parts of this speech.

  177. 177.

    jl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    ” Actually Bernie’s not doing bad at all, a bit long winded but hitting the right notes. ”

    It’s the last of Bernie at this convention, until he gets up there for the group photo on the last day. His case has to stick over the next 3 days, and keep his dead-enders happified.

  182. 182.

    dmsilev

    He’s making the point, repeatedly and thoroughly, that he and Hillary were actually pretty close in what policies they’d work for. Anyone who cares remotely about policy will find this convincing. Anyone who is in the “burn the place down” nihilist camp won’t, but fuck those people. Fortunately, there aren’t all that many of the latter.

  185. 185.

    Skerry

    Here we go

    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2m2 minutes ago
    Elizabeth Warren, often referred to as Pocahontas, just misrepresented me and spoke glowingly about Crooked Hillary, who she always hated!

  193. 193.

    magurakurin

    @Omnes Omnibus: maybe not. Oh well it is what is. Donate, get out the vote, vote. It’s all we can do. We are not responsible for their actions.

    but I know you know that, just saying it out loud.

  194. 194.

    hueyplong

    Look, we don’t speak BernieBro, so we’re not well positioned to know how he’s doing with regard to the task at hand, which is to get passies into their fking mouths so they’ll shut the hell up. For all we know, he’s doing great.

    I was a hippie before half of these people were born, and I want to punch them myself for trying to frag the leader of the anti-Trump coalition.

  198. 198.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    He’s doing the right thing, here; we can afford to be gracious. Yes, he said stupid shit in the past (so has Clinton, for Christ’s sake), but what matters is what he’s saying tonight. The primaries are over; we all need to get over our shit.

  199. 199.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    Bill Clinton’s got bigly shoes to fill as First Spouse if Hillary wins. In fact yuuuuge shoes.

  200. 200.

    Quinerly

    @slag:
    I’m surprised how many BS supporters don’t know about the history of Citizens United (Not Timid). I have tried to explain the background/history to many. They don’t believe me or they are dismissive…”oh, I figured she was for it”….the whole whore of Wall Street thing. I truly think BS created most of this cognitive dissonance.

  204. 204.

    rikyrah

    Joel Pavelski ‏@joelcifer 36m36 minutes ago
    Sorry Elizabeth Warren you are very important and cool but I need a few more minutes to think about how to make Michelle Obama love me

  206. 206.

    patroclus

    CBS, PBS, NBC and ABC are all still with it. This is good for us – an extra half hour or so of nationwide over-the-air coverage of a good substantive speech by Bernie. It’s hitting all the right notes and is far more of an endorsement than Ted Kennedy gave to Carter or Jerry Brown gave to Clinton or Gary Hart gave to Mondale. I’m impressed!

  210. 210.

    Brachiator

    Bernie is wasting my time giving his standard stump speech and claiming that Hillary endorses all his positions.

    Could he ask that all his delegates be turned over to her?

  211. 211.

    different-church-lady

    So, if the press does their job, it should be a slam dunk for them to do a 1:1 comparison between “Hillary Clinton must become the next president of the United States. The choice is not even close,” and “Vote your conscious.”

    Heh. I crack myself up.

  213. 213.

    rikyrah

    Mark Elliott
    ‏@markmobility
    Jim Robinson lived in a Friendfield Plantation slave cabin. His great-great-granddaughter lives in The White House.

  216. 216.

    hcarthagen

    Michelle Obama is a bonafide inspirational figure. Is there any other couple more beloved in the world today?

  218. 218.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    @Adam L Silverman: I loved the x-files, until it sank under the weight of that bullshit mythology that Carter kept piling on. I found out later that they didn’t really have a show bible. There were some great writers on the show, but it finally just fell apart because Carter was afraid to come to the end of the story. Liked Fringe’s shout out to the X-Files in the first or second show.

  219. 219.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: There was a subplot where Walter’s old research partner, William Bell played by Leonard Nimoy, placed his consciousness in the lead female character’s (Anna Torv) body. She did a fantastic job mimicking Nimoy’s postures, gestures, speech patterns, pitch, and timber. Walter kept a cow in his lab – don’t ask why. At one point in this sub story arc Walter jokingly suggested putting Bell’s/Nimoy’s character’s consciousness in the cow as a suitable host for it.

  221. 221.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    OT: Michael Grunwald ‏@ MikeGrunwald 1h1 hour ago
    A friend was with Cory Booker during Obama’s 2004 DNC speech. After she said: “It’s OK, Books, you can be the second black president.”

  224. 224.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @jl: Or like Sen. Clinton did 8 years ago and moves to make the nomination unanimous.

  226. 226.

    Miss Bianca

    “that is what democracy is about”! All right, Senator Sanders! Still doing better than I expected!

    ETA: OK, not so much with the TPP stuff, but I had to expect that…

    @rikyrah: Yeah, Luvvie!

  227. 227.

    hcarthagen

    It boggles my mind that Democrats have spent the first day of the convention doing nothing but tending to hurt fee fees of Bernie Bros.

  229. 229.

    hcarthagen

    Speaking of TPP, I want it to go through simply because Obama is for it and Sanders is against it.

  234. 234.

    some guy

    Bernie laying down markers. getting better. a D house?

    all that I can to make that happen.

    go Bernie, go

  237. 237.

    Major Major Major Major

    @lamh36: That scene with Astrid though! At the end! It was the little touches like that that just made the show so good. He never remembers her name, as a running gag, and then right before he goes into the portal he tells her she has a beautiful one… sobbing! lol

    @Adam L Silverman: Well of course it holds together better. But Clyde Bruckman’s Final Repose… Bad Blood… Small Potatoes… oh man.

    Monday! Humbug!

  238. 238.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @rikyrah: I thought of that while she was speaking.

    And Marilyn Robinson is one of the unsung heroes of the Obama epic, along with her husband. A disabled city worker and his secretary wife who sent their two kids from a 2 BDR apartment to Princeton, and has been an all but invisible resident of the White House. I’m thinking she must be a very classy lady.

  239. 239.

    Baud

    Ok. I thought it was what was needed. He actually spent most of it talking about Hillary.

  241. 241.

    Suzanne

    @MisterForkbeard: YES. I like him, but I never wanted to be part of his cult of personality. (Or HRC’s, for that matter.) I just want good public policy that makes more people’s lives better.

  242. 242.

    Mary G

    Even Andrew Sullivan loved Michelle Obama’s speech. I am still a little mister up about it myself.

  244. 244.

    PsiFighter37

    Finally over, thank God.

    Not great, but certainly better than what I would have expected.

  245. 245.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman: Doesn’t something similar happen in Star Trek TOS, at least once? Jokes within jokes….

    Aaand…Senator Sanders sticks it! Thank you, God and Bernie!

  246. 246.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” Ok. I thought it was what was needed. He actually spent most of it talking about Hillary. ”

    When you up?

  249. 249.

    Keith G

    @hcarthagen: Dear fucking god. Have you paid any attention to the history of political campaigns and conventions in the United States?

  250. 250.

    Elie

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yes, I believe it… Michelle has been ready to go for a long time…

    –and once she has jumped the fence, she will never be “contained” or “silenced” ever again. I look forward to her testimony. To her leadership – yes — Formal and informal…….. Her words then will infuriate, stimulate and ultimately liberate….

    I hope that one day I get to meet her… Just to take her hand and thank her….

  252. 252.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @Gin & Tonic: No, I think that’s wise. If they’re pledged, they’re under the constraint of the campaign. If they’re released, the BoBers get the mic.

  257. 257.

    PsiFighter37

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s sad when the Secret Service protection and the grifting come to an end! I would love to know her opinion of what eating lobster on your own widebody jet flying to Rome is like.

  258. 258.

    MisterForkbeard

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Honestly, I think the BernieOrBusters would freak out. They want their chance to vote against Hillary goddammit.

    Hopefully that will get it out of their system.

    @Suzanne: Yeah, it’s good to have him back on the team.

  259. 259.

    Cacti

    @lamh36:

    Awww…one of the Peter Pan chicks tore off her hat after Bernie’s speech

    Was it symbolic of her finally accepting adulthood and refusing to remain emotionally arrested?

  260. 260.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    I will always wonder what he’s hiding in those tax returns.

    While the rest of us move forward, into the future. What, oh what, will you do with yourself when he’s out of the picture?

  263. 263.

    Mnemosyne

    So we had a woman minister do the intro prayer and a woman rabbi to do the exit prayer. I’m liking this.

    Bernie’s speech was pretty good, though a little heavy on his stump speech. He wound up and delivered for Hillary at the end.

  264. 264.

    Brachiator

    Tom Brokaw on NBC made a good point that Sanders attached Hillary to his platform.

    I suppose she could just roll with it. We shall see.

  266. 266.

    Kropadope

    Bernie’s speech was arright but I hope it wasn’t his idea to go last. How can you follow up Michelle? I even felt bad for Warren.

  268. 268.

    Randy P

    I waited to hear Bernie finally say something that sounds like he acknowledges that Hillary is the candidate, and thank FSM he finally got there.

    I have no problem with making up and playing nice and saying nice things to the Bernie nutcases. Sure, some of them will spit in our face for it, but we’ve had many reminders from our amazing first-night panel of speakers to take the high road. Most especially from our beautiful, amazing First Lady. I turned to my wife during that speech and said “If you’re a Republican, are you actually proud of ANYTHING or ANYONE in your party?”

    But I have to be up in less than 5 hours. My brain has shut down. Good night, BJ.

  270. 270.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mary G: It’s great that she was able to take that theme of motherhood and daughterhood and run with it. Uncontroversial – in that not even the most asshole Republican can really derail it as a theme that she can creditably speak to – but none the less powerful and important for that.

  271. 271.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    @shomi: You need to learn more about politics. Your statements make you sound the same as the Bernie bots, just a member of a different tribe.

  273. 273.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Tweety says Al Franken’s humor “too sophisticated for some people”…. who?

  274. 274.

    jl

    @pseudonymous in nc: I think all this was very carefully choreographed by all involved to make as smooth a political infomercial as possible.

    Glad cable and networks stayed with it. I think will be good speech to sway general election voters.

    Let’s see if they get through the benediction without some jackoff yelling. Looking good so far.

    Edit: OK, good.

  277. 277.

    hcarthagen

    @Keith G: I haven’t, because I am Indo-European. I know, I have no life. I am obsessed with American politics I pay more attention to American politics than I do to Indian or Dutch politics. It is stupid, but I can’t help it.

  279. 279.

    Richard Mayhew

    @PsiFighter37: disagree, he did what he needed to do and did it well.

    I have two Bernie or busters on Facebook that I monitor. One is willing to reconsider the other is a lost cause (Perot, Perot, nadar, bush, obama, Romney, Sanders)

  286. 286.

    magurakurin

    @Kropadope: Sanders did want to go last, and he should have. The day began contentious but ended on a perfect note. He was right to want to go last. He did well. He regained a lot of my respect…not that that matters, just saying it.

  289. 289.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    They’re interviewing a sad berniesister on MSNBC who will vote Green Party. Good story, dumbass.

  291. 291.

    TriassicSands

    @Brachiator:

    Presidential candidates (and presidents) have never had much trouble either ignoring the party platform or using it as an a la carte menu from which to choose their own issues.

  293. 293.

    amk

    So, other than some morons booing at the start and the middle, this is going well?

    msm minions will be so disappointed.

  295. 295.

    themann1086

    CBS showed the whole Bernie speech, and the (local, in Philly?) news showed clips of him saying “Hillary Clinton must be the next president”. Gonna play well, I think. A rough start, but the booing and heckling seemed to get quieter and more sporadic as the day went on.

  298. 298.

    TS

    @Gardenfli:

    He is going to turn over his delegates tomorrow

    So he wants to give the media and Trump another day of conflict that they can write/tweet about

  299. 299.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kropadope: My understanding was that he asked to be switched. FLOTUS should have been the ending speech, but oh well. It’s all good now.

  300. 300.

    Adam L Silverman

    @magurakurin: Funny comic book story. At one point Captain Marvel was able to take Black Adam’s power’s away from him by cutting him off from the magic word: Shazam. He changed it for Black Adam. Turns out he changed it to chocolate egg cream. This worked until Black Adam in his mortal form, and down on his luck, walked into a deli, saw the soda jerk preparing a chocolate egg cream for a kid,asked what it was, and ordered: “a chocolate egg cream?” At which point the seven lightnings were called down and he became Black Adam again.
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2224/2262360584_9917be6ea2_z.jpg?zz=1
    http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67602/2355610-blackadam6p12.jpg

    And I’ve tried, it doesn’t work.

  302. 302.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @some guy: Bernie laying down markers. getting better. a D house?
    all that I can to make that happen.

    Will he endorse a seventh House candidate? A second Senate candidate? I hope he doesn’t strain himself.

  303. 303.

    Turgidson

    An insufferable millenial on MSNBC just said she’s voting green. Doesn’t believe Bernie that Hillary is the best choice. Just painfully idiotic.

  304. 304.

    geg6

    OT, but they just caught some cracker mother fucker from Georgia at a movie theater a mile and a half from my house with a semi-automatic and a backpack full of ammo. Someone was alert and noticed his long sleeves, jacket (over 90F here in Beaver County, PA) and the backpack and called the cops. Jesus. Can’t get the link to work from my phone.

  305. 305.

    hueyplong

    In fairness to BS, had he not gone last, we’d have been pissed at him for knocking FLOTUS out of prime time.

    Things seem to have gone about as well as they could have. The contrast with GOP speaker is pretty stark so far, and we haven’t heard from one of the Real Mt Rushmore guys yet.

  306. 306.

    Mary G

    So nice to see such a big crowd of people that look like the whole country and not just the pale people.

  307. 307.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Mnemosyne: I know all of this. But you can’t discount Gilligan’s episodes as a fluke of one writer considering he wrote, like fifty. He made the show great.

    Regardless, no episode of Fringe can stand up to those. Maybe some of them if you’ve seen all the others, but we studied a couple X-Files episodes in writing classes in college and they’ll probably be studying them years down the line too.

  309. 309.

    Chris

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Don’t get me wrong I liked the X Files and the monster of the week stuff was great. Overall though I think Fringe holds together as more coherent.

    The nineties are when television was learning to get into long-term storytelling instead of just episodic stuff. X-Files didn’t do the best job of that, but it was part of a trend that was still feeling its way.

    I like that era a lot, actually. The first show I watched regularly was Stargate SG-1 (much of it on reruns as it had already been on the air for a while), which was right in that sweet spot of “there are long term story arcs that are important, but it’s still episodic enough that you can jump right into the middle of it and enjoy it without knowing the entire backstory.” DS9 (until the very end, and that was understandable), too. I don’t *hate* modern “thirteen episodes, one continuous stories” like 24 or the Marvel/Netflix shows, but SG-1/DS9 is still my favorite format, I think.

  315. 315.

    TriassicSands

    I must have missed something. Where the hell was the dystopian nightmare that “I Alone Trump” can fix?

    I mean, there I was armed to the teeth, hiding in my steel reinforced bunker, fearful that any minute a radical jihadist Mexican Muslim was going to come crashing through my front door to murder me and none of the Democrats gave me a clue as to how they were going to protect me from the inevitable home invasion that I face.

  317. 317.

    Keith G

    @hcarthagen: No it’s okay. It’s great fun to learn – a messy, jaw dropping discourse. Makes one wonder how we got this far.

    One of the purposes has been to get factions that just fought a “war” to then integrate to a common cause. Many thrills and chills, but it usually works better if the losing side has some ability to save face.

  319. 319.

    Linnaeus

    @Miss Bianca:

    There is a logic to that – given that Sanders was Clinton’s main opponent during the primary, having him make the final case on the first day for supporting her makes sense.

  320. 320.

    Kay

    David Axelrod:

    Ds didn’t play Russian hacking card idly today. Subtext is they suspect deep financial ties between @realDonaldTrump & Russian oligarchs.

    So how does anyone find out if Donald Trump continues to refuse to provide any real information on his income, taxes and debt? He’s come this far without revealing anything and there’s been absolutely no consequences.

  322. 322.

    aimai

    I just watched Michelle on youtube. I cried so hard I blew my eyes out. Can’t see a thing. What a woman! I am so grateful she and Barack were willing to step up and serve for these eight years. I truly hope she decides to run someday. I wish I could have been in that convention center to see her live.

  323. 323.

    Matt McIrvin

    @slag: @Quinerly: Actually Roger Stone’s “Citizens United Not Timid” was not the same Citizens United that brought the suit (though they were both attacking Hillary Clinton).

    Stone gave his a deliberately misleading name to sow confusion with the older organization as well as make an infantile misogynist joke, because he is a human turd.

    This has been Pedant Minute.

  324. 324.

    Cacti

    @Mary G:

    So nice to see such a big crowd of people that look like the whole country and not just the pale people.

    That’s not fair.

    Republicans will put up the occasional black or brown speaker.

    (To talk about how much they hate other black and brown people)

  327. 327.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Old Dan and Little Anne: @Misterpuff: What state was she from, did you notice?

    Now they found another Berniebot, It’s all about her feelings, it’s a relationship, “If she could just come over to us, even a little bit”. Hey Nora, maybe ask what issues she cares about? Good god.

    Okay, she did say she, as a voter, had to do some more research.

    And now the Bernie Vermont delegation. Jesus Christ.

  334. 334.

    Brachiator

    @TriassicSands:

    Presidential candidates (and presidents) have never had much trouble either ignoring the party platform or using it as an a la carte menu from which to choose their own issues.

    Brokaw was not referring to the official Democratic Party platform. He was suggesting that Sanders reiterated his own major policy positions and attached Hillary to that, as though she will be his surrogate.

  335. 335.

    Jeffro

    I love it – MSNBC managed to dredge up two last Bernie dead enders WAY OUT THERE – one voting “Dem”, one who “might vote Green”.

    Oh hey here’s a third one “still trying to come to terms with what to do”

    Bernie, ya nut, you could have avoided all this if you had half the class and grace of Hillary back in 2008

  339. 339.

    Miss Bianca

    @Linnaeus: I won’t argue. Man gave a better speech than I had hoped for and did the right thing – *and* didn’t let his fanboiz/girlz disrupt the show. Not at all bad.

  342. 342.

    themann1086

    @themann1086: Welp now they’re interviewing local GOPtool Mike Fitzpatrick (PA-08) who I think is the one who isn’t running for reelection so the GOP nominated his brother? Anyway! He was first arguing that the election will turn on conservative voters, then literally one question later about where Sanders’ voters will go, because who knows??

    Bad media! Baaaad!

  345. 345.

    jl

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: What did you expect them to do? CBS wheeled out Schieffer yesterday to say that the Democrats were in CHAOS and ANYTHING could happen. He’d never seen anything like it. NEVER! It was ready to blow, it was above his paygrade.

    Pew poll today said over 90 percent of Democrats were going to vote for HRC (including Sanders people)

  346. 346.

    Punchy

    Sando crushed it. And I detest the pompous blowhard. But a good speech is a good speech, and he did everything he was supposed to, and did it well.

  347. 347.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    for their closing moments, MSNBC has two professional republicans, Schmidt and Wallace, and Hillary-hater Lawrence O’Donnell

  350. 350.

    hueyplong

    Could just be a programming decision by MSNBC to have day one be all about the BernieBots and then ignore them for the rest of the convention.

    We’ll know soon enough.

  354. 354.

    Quinerly

    @Major Major Major Major:
    She is a delegate that MSNBC interviewed. Got her BS tattoo a few weeks ago. She was bitching about having to sit through the “Hillary Love Fest” and why did Bernie have to go last? That was upsetting. She did get a sign (there weren’t enough BS signs, whine). She cried when she got the sign though.

  356. 356.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    MSNBC’s commentary so far has been from three adolescent Sanders supporters, Nicole Wallace, and now Chuck Todd.

    Did Joy Reid miss her train?

  362. 362.

    Adam L Silverman

    @BruceFromOhio: I don’t think punctuation is your friend in that sentence. Please read it aloud and see if it sounds a wee bit off to you.

  363. 363.

    Linnaeus

    @Cacti:

    When they give me a reason to, I will.

    Point being, people have always complained about “the kids” not acting right. Even when you were one of them.

    Just think about it.

  364. 364.

    FlipYrWhig

    Oh my God the Bernie girls are completely insane. If there was any question that Team Bernie starts with grievances and then works back to the reasons behind them, watch that tape a few times.

  365. 365.

    Oldgold

    That woman interview with the Bern tattoo was embarrassing. Hard to believe she is representative of Bernie’s supporters.

  366. 366.

    guachi

    My favorite part of Bernie’s speech is where he basically said “Hillary believes all the same things I do”.

    Whatever works!

  367. 367.

    jl

    @amk: Brokaw is supposed to be a reporter. Did he miss the weeks of negotiations over the platform? I think Sanders stuck pretty closely to what the compromises were.

  368. 368.

    lamh36

    @mollyesque
    A bunch of convention cops & security guys came into the hall to listen to Michelle’s speech. They stood, riveted, at the top of the stairs.

  372. 372.

    Applejinx

    God bless us every one.

    Thanks, folks who showed patience and class as Bernie let down his troops. He’s right: they shouldn’t be so downhearted, we work together as Democrats, and most of his plan is unchanged. It’s still about everybody going out and running for office.

    Now I can go to bed, knowing Bernie didn’t screw up his swan song and official Clinton endorsement. Jane can look pissy all she wants. Bernie came through like a mensch, finally.

  375. 375.

    Plantsmantx

    Has MSNBC interviewed anyone on the convention floor who isn’t a disappointed Sanders delegate?

  376. 376.

    amk

    @jl: brokaw is a glorifed news reader from 25 years ago. who gives a shite what this moron thinks or says?

  379. 379.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, Millennium had the additional problem that Carter turned over the show to Morgan and Wong for the second season while he played around with Harsh Realm, then when that show tanked, he took back Millennium and tried to retcon M&W’s story line in the most hamfisted way possible. Carter was a hack who got lucky with a good writing staff and two very charismatic actors.

    Jesus, I’m having fanboy flashbacks!

  381. 381.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Applejinx: And all your crazy little girls are still not budging, because he made it an insane cult of personality. Nice job, shithead.

  382. 382.

    lamh36

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: also too. those damn kids…aren’t even old enough to have been around at the height of the RWNJ clash vs Clintons.

    So the question become where did they get the notion of HRC’s being untrustworthy?

    A triplet of idiots all 3 of them and MSNBC should be embarassed to exploit their youth and stupidity

  384. 384.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Plantsmantx: now Bernie Sanders ex-press secretary. Who at least is calling for unity.Steve Schmidt is the only one who’s mention MO”s speech (a speech for the ages). No mention of Warren or Booker since the speeches ended.

  390. 390.

    FlyingToaster

    @Major Major Major MajorBetty Cracker:

    MSNBC is interviewing utter morons

    .

    Well, that’s a nice reversal at least.

    Temporary. Morning Schmo has furniture smarter than Schmo and Meat Puppet.

  395. 395.

    Punchy

    @Gin & Tonic: Must be tiring being so goddamn critical 24/7. The guy endorsed his rival myriad times and with specific policy points. What more did you want? Fuckin christ, I’m stuck defending shitbad Sanders. God I hate you.

  397. 397.

    Quinerly

    @Plantsmantx:
    None so far. You would think there wasn’t a single HRC supporter there. I haven’t seen them interview a single HRC supporter…certainly not one who has been with her from the beginning….of course, members of congress, etc. But not an average HRC supporter.

  401. 401.

    Eljai

    @Plantsmantx: It does seem like they’re going out of their way. I don’t recall them seeking out this many nevertrumps at the convention last week. CSPAN is doing a much better job than MSNBC.

  402. 402.

    different-church-lady

    @Keith G: “Last night we talked to several enthusiastic Sanders delegates. But are there any delegates in the hall who hate Hillary Clinton? Let’s go to Biff Barkington on the convention floor to find out. Biff?”

  404. 404.

    Eolirin

    @Chris: Of all the shows back then Babylon 5 did it first and did it best. DS9 was a shameless rip off, based on the B5 pilot and was a deliberate attempt by Paramount to smother it in its cradle after having passed on it.

  409. 409.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    On MSNBC, Steve Schmidt has had the most positive commentary about tonight, Nicole Wallace has been mostly complimentary

  411. 411.

    burnspbesq

    After Booker, Michelle, and Warren, Bernie was always going to be an anticlimax. I thought he was OK.

  412. 412.

    japa21

    I have been almost as hard on Sanders as anyone else. But I will give him his due. He did a good job tonight. As far as the folks in the hall, I think most will be switched to Clinton supporters. There will be a few unreachable ones, but they are the ones that have never tried to find out what Clinton really stands for and only heard the corporate whore crap.

  414. 414.

    jl

    @Eljai: It’s cynical and dishonest cable BS horse race bait. C-SPAN, and you tube had tyt floor interview clips that had plenty of Sanders delegates who were going to vote for HRC and explaining how they were trying to talk sense to the die-hards.

  415. 415.

    Quinerly

    @FlipYrWhig:
    Hopefully she can continue to whine….perhaps to her tattoo. She’s a delegate and doesn’t even know when the roll call is. But TPP!

  418. 418.

    LeonS

    @hueyplong: Really? His speech was only for angry white dudes? I though he made a damn good case for electing Hillary and for supporting a progressive platform. We do still all want that right? Or is it mostly about hating Bernie now still?

  420. 420.

    BlueDWarrior

    Those people that MSNBC found were probably the example of the ‘dead-ender’ core I was talking about. I also seriously doubt any of them are over the age of 30, and really only know politics as the ideals in their own head instead of the morass of inter-personal reactions and interplay it actually is.

  421. 421.

    Chris

    @Comrade Scrutinizer:

    I couldn’t get into that. I tried, like three or four times, and jumping into the series at different points (TV reruns). And based on everything I read about it online, I liked the story just fine. I just can’t get into watching it. Pretty sure it’s the scripting/dialogue – I’ve heard a lot of other people say that that’s their biggest problem with the show.

  422. 422.

    Applejinx

    @japa21: There’s months to go, during which we can all get busy showing what America can look like with Democrats on the rise. Those busters will come around. Bernie can find stuff for them to do so they feel like there’s a point to life (and politics) and they’ll come around by the general election. We’ve got months.

  423. 423.

    geg6

    @Quinerly:

    Because who wants to talk to people of color or women (mature ones) when you have middle aged white men and college kids who have been told they are the most precious snowflakes to ever fall from the sky? Boring!

  428. 428.

    LeonS

    @hcarthagen: So trying to include 30-40% of their voters isn’t a good idea? (not talking about the fringe jackasses yelling over speeches BTW, don’t think anyone is trying to appeal to them anymore, no one in the Democratic party anyway)

  429. 429.

    Helen

    Jeffrey Lord on CNN saying the real problem is that there were not enough American flags on the floor.

  432. 432.

    bmoak

    @Adam L Silverman:

    But the were both formed for the express purpose of sliming the Clintons. Wasn’t the CU Supreme Court case about a 90-minute hit piece on Hillary that was claimed to be “entertainment” and thus didn’t have to follow campaign finance and advertising rules?

  434. 434.

    Quinerly

    @geg6:
    The one who shocked me was a Black chick from Louisiana. If I understood correctly, this is her second convention. Bill actually was sitting kinda behind her. She really couldn’t articulate why she wouldn’t vote for Hillary. Word salad…she only trusts Bernie, he does what he says and she doesn’t agree with Hillary’s voting record.

  438. 438.

    Matt McIrvin

    @bmoak: The one that brought the suit was formed in 1988, so, not exclusively for attacking the Clintons, though that is what they were actually doing in this case.

  439. 439.

    hueyplong

    @LeonS: You responded to a post made during the speech. Literate types probably would have seen more “hate” for BernieBros than for Bernie himself. I complimented him after the speech. I would have voted for him in the general had he won.

  440. 440.

    Quinerly

    @bmoak:
    That was kinda my point. If you try to explain the background of Citizens United to these morons they have no interest. They want to assume HRC supports it because of her Wall Street connections. I’ve had several conversations with these idiots. I know there is no persuading them. “She’s a corporate elitist!”

  443. 443.

    BlueDWarrior

    @Quinerly: You could see the pain in her voice and in her heart. These are people who are emotionally, not really logically, bound to Bernie Sanders, and now they are being asked, in some measure, to sever that bond.

    And they simply do not want to until circumstances, aka Election Day, basically demands it of them.

    I do not envy being in that position, and at some point, there is nothing as an outside party you can do for them; except hope logic reasserts itself and they see that getting Hillary into office does far more than just staying home, waiting for Trump to win and the Glorious Revolution to sweep in in the aftermath.

  444. 444.

    Applejinx

    @Quinerly: If she really trusts Bernie, she’ll support Hillary and give her the vitally needed political cover to come right out of the gate like a left-wing Democrat with no fucks to give.

    We are gonna do this, and the amount of support Hillary gets from Berners will shape the way she governs. 2016 is only the beginning.

  446. 446.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: I’m not a big tattoo fan; its just not my thing. I don’t want anything on my shoulder now that’ll be on my ass when I’m 70! I do appreciate good tattoo art and some of it is very, very good art. That’s not good art. And given where its inked it certainly isn’t sexy art.

  449. 449.

    Brachiator

    @Eolirin:

    Of all the shows back then Babylon 5 did it first and did it best. DS9 was a shameless rip off, based on the B5 pilot and was a deliberate attempt by Paramount to smother it in its cradle after having passed on it.

    DS9 became its own thing and equaled or surpassed some of B5. And I say this as someone who not only loved B5, but who got to watch one of the episodes at a showing in West Los Angeles with JMS himself in attendance.

  450. 450.

    LeonS

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    It’s all about her feelings, it’s a relationship, “If she could just come over to us, even a little bit”.

    Ok, even as a Bernie supporter, nay, *especially* as a Bernie supporter that pisses me off. Hillary bent over backward to accommodate Bernie (as I’m sure the commenters here have bitched about plenty). Any suggestion otherwise just shows you are not paying the least bit of attention, and therefore nothing will convince you besides the voices in your head.

  451. 451.

    amk

    Molly Ball Verified account
    ‏@mollyesque

    A bunch of convention cops & security guys came into the hall to listen to Michelle’s speech. They stood, riveted, at the top of the stairs.

  452. 452.

    Joel

    @Gin & Tonic: Just turn ’em off.

    Seriously, you have to punish that behavior. Networks pull that junk because trolling draws eyeballs. You have to dry em out.

  453. 453.

    hovercraft

    Good god Hugh Hewitt just said that Michelle Obama’s speech sparkled, compare it to Obama’s 2004 speech. I guess it was son good even he can’t deny it.
    A pig just flew past my window.

  454. 454.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh, are you talking about the Bernie tattoo? Yeah, I’m wondering whether she’s really thought this thru’…I mean, the location, and all…that is…never mind.

    I was thinking that the “rabbi lady chaser” or “lady rabbi chaser” was kind of off, too.

  456. 456.

    LeonS

    @Cacti: Given that old people have been making these complaints for thousands of years, and probably longer, I won’t hold my breath. But we keep surviving each generation. And looking around at the actual state of things it seems like us old folks have no place to be arrogant.

  457. 457.

    Adam L Silverman

    @bmoak: Yes, it was based on the McCain-Feingold rules that prevented externally funded opposition advertisements within so many days of the election (or something like that). The movie was billed as a 90 minute expose documentary that was largely rehashed debunked scandals from the 90s. The Supremes didn’t actually rule on what was appealed to them, instead they just overturned McCain-Feingold and the rules governing contributions.

  462. 462.

    LeonS

    @shomi: If they did Hillary would lose and probably badly. Don’t confuse a small percentage of jackasses with the vast majority of people who supported Bernie. You know, can not like a candidate and still admit not every single person who supported them is an asshole.

  465. 465.

    Steeplejack

    I am way late on my DVR feed (at about 11:38 p.m. now), but MSNBC is interviewing some of the most pathetic Bernie dead-enders on the floor after his speech. I wonder how representative they are. None of the three I watched would admit to voting for Clinton in November. Maybe they’ll come around, I guess.

  468. 468.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: Yep, the girl with Bernie’s face inked on her left breast. In this case she also took Bernie or Bust a bit too literally!

    As for the rabbi, it was a bit of a long benediction.

  473. 473.

    LeonS

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Omnes Omnibus: Not bright enough to deduce someone’s intelligence over a comment about how many people voted for a candidate (which if anything was a low ball). I was responding to “Bernie and his supporters are not really Democrats so they can all go to hell.”

    You really think the idea that not having any Bernie supporters vote for Hillary would cost the election is controversial? Well I guess I’m not bright enough to know the difference, but at least I’m not an asshole.

  474. 474.

    Gemina13

    @Mnemosyne:

    I wouldn’t blame her if she had. Eight years of solid racist nastiness flung her way, as well as at her daughters and husband–she has to be overjoyed at the prospect of getting out of the way of that.

    And that speech. I think we need to hear more from the other eloquent orator in the Obama family.

  477. 477.

    Marc McKenzie

    @Brachiator: Yep. I loved both DS9 and BABYLON 5. We should count our blessings that we had two excellent space-based shows of that caliber.

    Eolirin is just spewing some stupid fanboy shit.

  478. 478.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Adam L Silverman: Just FTR Fringe went off the rails about a year before it ended. Abrams didn’t have a fucking clue where he was going & wrapped the thing up with chicken wire & scotch tape & I will despise him forever for the travesty it ended up.

  479. 479.

    Groucho48

    So, these are the headlines on Google’s news Convention coverage>>>

    After day of discord, Democrats find common target in Trump
    Alaska Dispatch News – ‎6 minutes ago‎
    Hesitation, ‘Disgust,’ Uncertainty Among Sanders Delegates Ahead of DNC Roll Call
    NBCNews.com – ‎16 minutes ago‎
    Tears flow at the Democratic convention in Philadelphia
    Chron.com – ‎31 minutes ago‎
    Wounds from primary battle still visible as Bernie Sanders struggles to unite Democrats
    National Post – ‎39 minutes ago‎
    On raucous opening night, Democratic stars make a pitch for Clinton
    Reuters – ‎53 minutes ago‎
    John Doyle: DNC Day One: Hacked, in uproar and outrageous drama, every single minute
    The Globe and Mail – ‎55 minutes ago‎
    The Democratic Convention Has an Awkward First Night Telecast
    TIME – ‎1 hour ago‎
    ANALYSIS: Democrats’ ‘Revolution’ Flirts With Insurrection
    ABC News – ‎1 hour ago‎
    Can the Democrats Stay Out of Their Own Way?

    Our liberal media at work…

  480. 480.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Uncle Cosmo: The time shift in the final season was a bit strange. But even with it it was still enjoyable. I get the impression that Abrams starts on stuff, then has attention/focus issues as he starts to move on and work on other projects.

  481. 481.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Adam L Silverman: Only someone with an IQ of 80 could think “they did a great job tying it all together” for christsake. The entire alternate time track was so full of holes it looked like someone had pumped a couple hundred shotgun rounds into it, not to mention the laughably moronic bullshit like “pockets of low oxygen” on the streets of NYC.

    Abrams can go fuck himself with a rusty chainsaw.

    ETA: I came for the concepts, but when they went south I stayed for the characters, in particular John Noble’s two Walters.

    ETA2: Abrams “getting bored & moving on” is about right. Sonofabitch should’ve had the whole thing worked out before he started, like Straczynski (sp?) for Babylon 5.

  482. 482.

    Steeplejack

    @Steeplejack:

    Okay, so it wasn’t just me. As I read the thread I see that some real-time commenters noticed the parade of (young) Bernie dead-enders that MSNBC glommed onto. Sad!

    ETA: It’s weird. I hate that “also, too” has slipped into common use—“She’s inside your head!”—but somehow I feel okay with the Trumpian “Sad!” Go figure.

  485. 485.

    Groucho48

    @Steeplejack:

    Right after that segment, they went back to the desk and Lawrence O’Donnell commented that he had just come form a focus group of Sanders supporters and they all said they were going to vote for Clinton and where in the heck did you get those pathetic souls from (I’m paraphrasing a bit.) An awkward moment as all the other MSNBC folks looked at each other like…are you going to respond? Because I got nothing.

  486. 486.

    Groucho48

    @Brachiator:

    They were all pretty much Democrats in Disarray. Nothing about the speakers. Nothing about Sanders throwing his support to Clinton. I read a couple of them. Three or four paragraphs about Dems in Disarry, then, some outlining of the speakers, then the usual…pundit A thought things went well. Pundit B thought things sucked.

    It’s fine pointing out the disarray, because, yes, there was some. But, in the context of the whole day and evening, it was never more than a sideshow. But, the media made it the main event.

  487. 487.

    EconWatcher

    I live out of the country and couldn’t watch Michelle’s speech live. Just watched it. Holy s#!t. That’s 15 minutes of speaking to rival MLK. I think she might actually be a better speaker than Barack.

    What do we have to do to get her to run for office?

  488. 488.

    Origuy

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Oh my God the Bernie girls are completely insane.

    Squeaky Fromme is watching and going “Dial it down, girls, dial it down!”

  490. 490.

    Applejinx

    @Groucho48: Much like with Bernie thinking the DNC was in the tank for Hillary:

    What did you think was going to happen?

    Now go on and GOTV. You know what you gotta do.

  491. 491.

    Gemina13

    @amk: Cute. Very cute.

    I’d love to watch Barack & Michelle do something like “Meet The Press,” facing off on the issues. The nation’s collective IQs would rise by 25 points in the first 10 minutes of their discussion.

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