Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Republicans in disarray!

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

I’m pretty sure there’s only one Jack Smith.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

The republican caucus is already covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

“Squeaker” McCarthy

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Tick tock motherfuckers!

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

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Of course, he had some serious backup…

Apart from another long evening watching the convention, what’s on the agenda?

Added bonus, tonight:

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191Comments

  1. 1.

    Trollhattan

    Heard audio of Bernie addressing the CA delegation the a.m. and what an embarrassment. Ashamed they represent me. And kudos to Bernie getting out there and working the smaller groups.

  3. 3.

    Schlemazel Khan

    All the living Presidents. All the Presidential second finishers. Only one, a Republilcan endorsed Drumpf. Every. Other. Man. Said. “NO!”

  8. 8.

    Eljai

    Watching the roll call. The count for Hillary is at 2091 now. I think I have a cat hair under my contact lens.

  9. 9.

    Trollhattan

    @raven:
    Luckily we still lay claim to Barbara Boxer, Nancy SMASH! and Jerry 2.0, so I can still poke my head up from this trench o’ shame. Not to mention Bernie got whooped by the lady person.

  11. 11.

    gogol's wife

    Quinerly, please come back, I wasn’t trying to get you to stop commenting.

  17. 17.

    ruemara

    I hope to go home, relax, maybe catch the highlights, find a great new job. Maybe do some repair work on the last show I edited. But I’m already tired.

  18. 18.

    Schlemazel Khan

    @BR:
    Too much, too long. Keep it to 4 or 5 sentences & get off, nobody but your mom gives a crap

    And it looks like South Dakota puts her over

  20. 20.

    jl

    So Democrats make good history in 2008 and 2016, while GOP tried, and try, to make bad. I hope the country notices.
    And glad they are giving a spot to Jimmy Carter.

    Actions speak much louder than words. Actions of HRC and Sanders speak volumes, and I hope the country notices the actions.
    HRC could have gone GOP and dismissed the loser but she didn’t, Sanders could have been a grouchy old coot (and that comes naturally to him), but he didn’t. They forged a great platform that can be used to show the lie of Trump’s bogus populism.

    Sanders did a good job last night, but think giving a really great speech that explains to the country what is happened with the Dems is beyond him. No blame in that, he gave his best. I hope that Bill Clinton, Obama and Biden, or maybe all of them will come through with a great speech that captures the attention of the whole country. And I hope that prepares the way for HRC who has her chance on the last night.

  22. 22.

    Schlemazel Khan

    It used to be that the counting stopped & there was a bit of a parade when a candidate went over the top. Now just more droning on so that everyone can be on the TeeVee for back home. Hope the kids remembered to start the VCR

  23. 23.

    Ejoiner

    And my “conservative” FB friends? Just screaming about the lack of American flags on the DNC stage which demonstrates exactly how much this party hates America. I just can’t fathom where their brains are – or I just don’t want to…:(

  24. 24.

    Mike J

    Disappointing that there’s no acknowledgement of reality to spare the feelings of dumbasses. Would have been nice to have it officially mentioned when she went over the top.

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    “Rhode Island […] home of the the best restaurants in the country.”

    Couldn’t help it, I laughed out loud.

  27. 27.

    gogol's wife

    @Mike J:

    They didn’t? This feels like huge misogyny. Mom has to sacrifice herself so that her little boys feel okay.

  28. 28.

    Trollhattan

    @lamh36:
    Had a brief Garry Shandling moment there but anyway, that was very sweet.

    I’ve frankly been hoping Larry David would be making at least one DNC speech. Is that too much to ask for, Dems, or are you determined to disappoint?

  34. 34.

    Schlemazel Khan

    Deeply disappointed in baud! I fed him a great, fat, straight line & he whiffed! I am not sure I can support him any longer. Guess I’ll settle for Clinton

  37. 37.

    jl

    @Schlemazel Khan: The silence of Baud has always been his greatest strength.

    Interesting to note that while Democrats make good history. Trump is busy twitting insult tweets and getting ready to defend himself against the lawsuits of those he stiffed during the RNC Convention.

  40. 40.

    Trollhattan

    @raven:
    “Collect the entire set.” So true. My previous job, office of 150 or so, I figured out we had folks born on six of the seven continents. Amazing.

  42. 42.

    NotMax

    @Ejoiner

    If they made the same complaint about the R convention, okay, as there were no physical flags on the stage there either. Many pictures of flags did appear on the large screens, same as with the D convention.

    Otherwise, they’re just being asses.

  43. 43.

    lamh36

    All the primary bullshit aside. this has got to make you proud to be Democrat right now…History made two time in a row!!!
    Suck it GOP!

  47. 47.

    Ken

    it’s harder to look your kids in the face if Trump is prez

    What with having to look through the bars of the cells…

  48. 48.

    Schlemazel Khan

    @jl:
    Those “cute” kids who sang that crappy song at the Drumpf rally in Florida a few months back? The ones in the red, white & blue sequined dresses? Yeah, dad is suing to get paid

    If I didn’t have to live in this would it might be fun to see that son of a bitch elected.

  49. 49.

    ? Martin

    @raven: We are a large and diverse state. The bay area is leftists to the point of self-destruction, and go outward a bit you have cowboys that barely realize the 20th century has come and gone. Somehow we make it work.

  50. 50.

    batgirl

    I know we aren’t suppose to mock the Bernie dead-enders anymore, but I keep thinking during roll call that they must be livid when states are reporting votes they are referring to Clinton as the next President of the United States. I can here them whining, but she hasn’t been nominated yet… she could still lose.

  54. 54.

    Trentrunner

    This is actually making me hate Bernie MORE. Seriously, why didn’t Hillary get this much butt-kissing in 2008?

  56. 56.

    lamh36

    Meh…I don’t really care that they didn’t do some big thing when she went over.

    I get what they are trying to do…it’s over it’s done…why the hell not give each state a bit of spotlight to give some flare..

    Don’t mean she’s any less the nomineee…

    To quote Frozen: “Let It Gooooo”

  67. 67.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Schlemazel Khan: She only suck lemons from the trees by the veranda of her house in Tuscany. Hopefully she remembered to send an assistant over to pick some.

  72. 72.

    lamh36

    @SteveKornacki 11s11 seconds ago
    Sanders does as Hillary did in ’08 and moves to nominate foe by acclamation, with one twist: asks that votes as cast be officially recorded

  74. 74.

    dogwood

    @lamh36:
    One of the times I was proudest to be a democrat was in ’08, before Super Tuesday and after Edwards dropped out. When Clinton and Obama came onto the debate stage I burst into tears. It surprised me, but I was so proud that the party had done that. It was brave in many ways because there were perfectly qualified and capable white guys who ran in ’08.

  77. 77.

    jenn

    Good for Bernie – I really enjoyed getting to watch the vote count! I’ve never actually watched the process in real time.

  78. 78.

    Fair Economist

    Oooh, the motion to suspend worked great. Loved hearing the whole convention yell “Second!”

  79. 79.

    rikyrah

    @SteveKornacki 11s11 seconds ago
    Sanders does as Hillary did in ’08 and moves to nominate foe by acclamation, with one twist: asks that votes as cast be officially recorded

  80. 80.

    rikyrah

    Eugene Kane
    ‏@eugene_kane
    Every First Lady in US history has slept in a White House built by slaves.
    Michelle Obama is the only one who has ever acknowledged it.

  81. 81.

    Kay

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    If there is a secret to Donald Trump’s success in business, after (1) inherit a large fortune and (2) use the media to create a famous brand, it’s (3) don’t pay people the money you owe them. You’d be surprised how much more profitable it can be to have people supply you with goods and services and not have to pay them anything than the alternative of reimbursing them at the agreed-upon price.

  84. 84.

    jl

    @Schlemazel Khan: To political junkies like us, watching every little thing and keeping score, it looks one way. If things keep going the way they are going, the human drama, the way the different factions work out their grief and come together might be important to the general voting public (which I hope we do remember does have a role in the outcome of the election).

    The drama of it may keep more people tuned in, more sympathetic, and be more effective in getting people to listen to the Dems than any pre-programmed attempts at appealing to the general election voters. So, I don’t mind the drama and missteps of a clumsy Sanders as long as it all comes out well.

    Yeah, sure, I am saying a little mild Jerry Springer action, if it has a happy ending, might be a good thing. And it might sound cynical. But might be true.

  85. 85.

    ruemara

    @Adam L Silverman: no. I won’t stop bitching at the double standards. It deserves to be called out. The fact that I’m just ready to move the fuck on does not mean it shouldn’t be noted.

  88. 88.

    ? Martin

    @raven: Oh, right. I knew that and forgot. I’m getting worse and worse with remembering details about people.

  90. 90.

    Trentrunner

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ll stop when the Berniebros stop, LOL.

    Now, onward. Trump just tweeted that he has NO investments in Russia. NOW this story will pick up steam.

  93. 93.

    Schlemazel Khan

    Useless historical trivia:
    It used to be considered improper to run for the nomination. If you wanted it you were too power hungry I guess. So you got your friends to push you along & run the convention. You sat home on the porch (LIKE BAUD! THE CANDIDATE OUR FOUNDERS INTENDED!). So the formal announcement is still made after the nomination is decided, “We will inform X of our decision and ask them to speak to us in 2 days”

    It is pretty funny to read some of Lincolns letters to friends as he told them he wanted the nomination but would never say that in public.

  96. 96.

    Soylent Green

    @BR:

    Except for Oregon, I’ve enjoyed all of the delegations so far.

    We have a lot of crunchy granola types here. In the last election they voted down fluoridation, and there’s a fair amount of opposition to vaccines.

  97. 97.

    p.a.

    Read this today; description of Repub Convention: bow-wow pow-wow. Funny, but an insult connecting that horrorshow however slightly to Native Americans and Canidae.

  98. 98.

    D58826

    Well he still can’t quite make the last leap – Mrs. Greenspan is reporting that he will remain an independent and he won’t turn over his mailing list. But still……

  100. 100.

    lamh36

    history is history and anyone not willing to at the very least acknowledge what the Dems have managed to do…what 2x in a decade…are a bunch of idiots

  103. 103.

    Mnemosyne

    @ruemara:

    Don’t go into the 12:59 pm thread, then. I can’t be responsible for the consequences to your blood pressure.

    Apparently my vajayjay is not magic, so therefore misogyny and sexism don’t exist. And the person commenting thought that made some kind of damn sense.

  105. 105.

    Davis X. Machina

    @jl: It gives the story an arc. And stories matter.
    The GOP, not so much. There’s no arc on a plunge down an elevator shaft….

  107. 107.

    goblue72

    @Adam L Silverman: The butthurt brigade of Clintonistas on BJ will never be mollified.

    And anyone who doubted that Sanders wouldn’t finish on a high note and do whatever he could to unify to defeat Trump is a fucking amateur – and certainly doesn’t know Sanders.

    But I am sure there will be whining & bitching from here to Election Day.

  108. 108.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @raven:

    My late father worked as a barber there for years. We lived in Fullerton.

  110. 110.

    jl

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    ” You sat home on the porch (LIKE BAUD! THE CANDIDATE OUR FOUNDERS INTENDED!). ”

    Excuse, me, Baud frequented convenience store parking lots, scaring up spare change to pay off the national debt, one candidate at a time. Baud updates our traditions to keep up with the times. After Trump flames out, the GOP will turn to him, and we can sleep at night, and celebrate his civility in defeat, once again.

  112. 112.

    dogwood

    @lamh36:
    I’ve criticized Bernie plenty, but going through the roll call is always fine with me. Let all the delegations have their moment. Hillary had a nice moment in ’08 when as part of the NY delegation she moved for unanimous acclamation, but a full roll call would have been fine with me then too.

  113. 113.

    Schlemazel Khan

    @ruemara:
    forgive, don’t forget. Offer the olive branch, people can always become friends and lend a hand. keep the knife handy in case it was not a one off event and you have to cut the ties.

  115. 115.

    BR

    @Soylent Green:

    Yeah, I know the type. We have some here in Northern CA, but more of them as you go North. Lot of anti-Vaccine folks among that crowd too.

  116. 116.

    Origuy

    @Trentrunner:

    Trump just tweeted that he has NO investments in Russia.

    Typical of Trump to answer the question that wasn’t asked. The question is, does Russia have investments in him?

  117. 117.

    Baud

    @jl: With my experience, I’d like to think I’m highly qualified to be a Manchurian Candidate.

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    @Martin

    One of the ironies of growing older is that one experiences no problem remembering that he or she used to be able to better remember things.

  119. 119.

    Schlemazel Khan

    @ruemara:
    Forgive, don’t forget. I had a longer answer but some word in it sent me to hell so I’ll leave it at that.

  120. 120.

    D58826

    @Trentrunner: Probably because she endorsed Obama within 4 days of the last primary and most people figured,given her long ties to the party, she would be part of the team. Bernie not sop much.

  121. 121.

    jl

    Might sound cynical, but I wonder how much free, and good, media, the Sanders saga will get in the media.
    Getting teary at his brother’s vote is the kind of thing the media likes to flog, even if it blows up their cynical attempts to dig up every bitter dead-ender and ignore every other kind of delegate on the floor.

    If the Democratic primary story keeps unfolding the the way it has, it might be a very good thing, and something that captures people’s attention, despite the media’s worst efforts at BS.

  126. 126.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” With my experience, I’d like to think I’m highly qualified to be a Manchurian Candidate. ”

    Well, maybe you should get down to the 7-11 and pay that guy back for the beer, before Josh Marshall starts nosing around.

  128. 128.

    Miss Bianca

    @Ejoiner: For me, the worst is my “liberal” friends who are/were still in serious denial – “can we write Bernie in?” NO, DUMBASSES, BERNIE HIMSELF IS TELLING YOU TO VOTE FOR HRC!!

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    @bupalos:

    Terry McAwful is hand-signing 13,000 restoration of rights documents for VA ex-felons so they can vote, and has pledged to hand-sign all 200,000 if needed. That’s good enough for me.

  131. 131.

    aimai

    @lamh36: She actually gave a really nice mini speech and then put Obama’s name in enthusiastically. I was glad to see Bernie do what he needed to do but I don’t respect the way he did it. He had the example of both Obamas and Hillary Clinton in front of him–if he forgot how to do it he could have just watched her put Obama over the top in 2008–but he could just barely manage to choke out the right words and then he walked out instead of staying and celebrating.

    I don’t forgive–not my place to! Bernie won’t ask for it! And I won’t forget. I have been embarrassed by my landsmann Bernie and I take it personally.

  133. 133.

    NotMax

    Appear to be 13 steps from the stage to the main floor.

    Understand why 13 was chosen, but also the same number of steps as are traditional for a gallows.

  134. 134.

    dogwood

    @bupalos:
    I’ve always thought way down deep TM is a goofy person, but not bad. He annoyed the hell out of me as a Clnton surrogate in ’08, but he didn’t make me angry. He was like a drunken energizer bunny, but didn’t seem evil or bad.

  135. 135.

    Soylent Green

    @goblue72:

    The butthurt brigade of Clintonistas on BJ will never be mollified.

    We are not “Clintonistas,” you pinhead. We are Democrats. Either get on board or fuck off.

  137. 137.

    ellie

    Way to go Hillary! Tear in my eye, drink in my hand. Also, I watched the roll call on C-Span and the chyron mentioned when she went over the top.

  138. 138.

    Soylent Green

    Bernie’s diehards are lighting up Twitter calling him a sellout. What’s the point of choosing a messiah if you can’t crucify him later?

  139. 139.

    Mnemosyne

    @bupalos:

    Excuse me while I step onto my soapbox for a moment:

    In my middle age, I have decided that I no longer give a shit what’s “in someone’s heart.” I really do not. ACTIONS are what matter. If you hurt someone else but didn’t mean to do it “in your heart,” you still hurt them. Your “heart” doesn’t mean shit.

    So I don’t give a fuck about the state of McAuliffe’s “heart” as long as his ACTIONS are good. Full. Fucking. Stop.

  140. 140.

    Matt McIrvin

    It’s occurring to me that a lot of the people on social media most passionately defending the rationality of voting third-party or abstaining live in California. If they actually do that, it probably doesn’t matter.

    I think Californians have gotten used to the idea that in presidential elections, in some sense, their votes usually don’t matter. And it leads to the notion that voting is primarily an expressive act. The problem comes when they’re trying to spread the concept nationwide.

  142. 142.

    D58826

    I take it back. Bernie is a self centered prick. Rather than have Clinton nominated by acclamation/unanimously he insisted that the final vote be recorded so that 100 years from now people will know that Bernie was there (as if anyone but a political junkie or trivial pursuit expert will give a rats butt). He also insisted that all the states be polled and then he could make his grand entrance. As one of the MSNBC talking heads said Bernie made it about himself, again, rather than making it Hillary’s night. .

  144. 144.

    ruemara

    @Mnemosyne: considering the Bernie delegates walked out, I have enough right here for feeling prissy. Couldn’t be decent for an hour, could they?

    @Schlemazel Khan: I was all olive branches and unity months ago, until I understood it was play nice while I abuse you type of relationship. In which case, fuck them.

  145. 145.

    bupalos

    @dogwood: I don’t want to go BernieBro here. But McAuliffe in the 90’s is kind of poster boy for how politics go wrong. His presence reminds me that the BernieBuster isn’t built on nothing. Pretty hard to explain how this guy is a big time multimillionaire.

  148. 148.

    muddy

    @aimai: I don’t think you would think it was enough if Bernie set himself on fire while shouting at length that it was an explicit protest against Berners or Burners or whatever they are. Then you’d be on about how he was trying to take all the attention and literally starve the place of oxygen.

    His crispy smoking corpse on the floor, not enough. It would never ever be enough. Nothing would.

    @D58826: You too.

  149. 149.

    jenn

    @D58826: Yeah, he did. Though it’s possible it wasn’t Bernie so much as a practical way to reduce disruption by making sure that his delegates were heard and counted. I really enjoyed watching the vote counting, though, and Hillary still has the nomination, so I don’t have an issue with it.

  150. 150.

    bupalos

    @D58826: That’s a pretty ungenerous reading of the thing. The roll call was fun and healthy for everyone. Overall, Bernie drug this thing out way too long, but who knows, maybe having all these flaming brands waving around will work to the good.

  151. 151.

    dogwood

    @Mnemosyne:
    I hear what you’re saying, but as I get older, I actually do care about being led by people who are decent. Maybe it’s come home to me watching Trump. I can certainly vote for someone based on policy positions alone, but I feel even more comfortable with people like Obama and Kaine because there is a core of decency that guides them beyond just political considerations. I don’t care if Alan Grayson is a liberal; a man like that shouldn’t be in government.

  152. 152.

    Shana

    @Mnemosyne: Actually, he’s going to auto-pen sign them, but it does have to be done individually as I understand.

    @dogwood: He’s also been a pretty good governor, despite having an overwhelmingly R House of Delegates and an almost evenly split State Senate.

  154. 154.

    Matt McIrvin

    @jenn: Not only super-blue (since 1992 at least), but also on the West Coast, so that the polls often don’t close there until after most people have figured out who’s going to win the election. Technically, that shouldn’t make any difference (electoral votes is electoral votes, and California has a lot of them), but psychologically, it does.

  155. 155.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @muddy: I don’t like Bernie Sanders and I think I’m a good Democrat. Isn’t that enough?

  156. 156.

    rikyrah

    Georgia DemocratVerified account
    ‏@GeorgiaDemocrat
    WSB poll: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a dead heat in Georgia

  157. 157.

    aimai

    @muddy: No that’s really quite wrong. I think the roll call was fine and I actually didn’t have any real objection to it. But I did object to the fact that Bernie’s supporters were waving Bernie flags in front of the camera so you couldn’t see the people reading the nominations, or holding up hand made signs saying “rigged” or other crap like that. And I did object to the fact that Bernie did not behave with 1/10 the graciousness that Hillary Clinton did in 2008.

    This really isn’t hard to understand. When people do something gracious and beautiful, and exhibit courage and serenity in difficult social circumstances they get praised. When they act like begrudging assholes who can’t figure out how to imitate graciousness then they get pointed at, laughed at, and insulted. That’s what we in the parenting biz call a “natural consquence.” No one is going to punish Bernie or send him to his room without dinner. But we are all well within our rights, and it is purely human nature, to point out that his behavior was less than stellar. And he had to have known that. He’s not a novice, politically speaking. And, again, he had Hillary’s example right in front of him.

  158. 158.

    D58826

    @bupalos: I don’t begrudge the full roll call. AFter all if they simply went in alpha order Vermont was near the end anyway. Traditionally when the nominee goes over the top, the chair makes an announcement and every one celebrates. This time there was no running count in the hall to maintain the suspense. Obviously people with phone knew the score. That is the part that I think was self centered. These were Bernie’s terms and he was the loser.

  160. 160.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    @Ejoiner: Tell them you have been given to understand Trump is putting Russian Feduration flags on his. Conservatives really can stick a sock in it about patriotism when they nominate an outright tratior.

  161. 161.

    dogwood

    @Shana:
    I’m not totally surprised that he is a pretty good gov. He’s certainly high-energy and his public persona was always goofily optimistic. Those aren’t bad qualities in a public servant. I always suspected he was one of those guys that progressives hated for ideological reason and because he was connected to the Clintons. But that doesn’t convince me that he would be loathed by people who actually worked with him.

  162. 162.

    Old Broad in California

    @Matt McIrvin: you’re exactly right about California voters. We’re used to our votes for President not really mattering, so it’s easier for some to justify the third party or not voting at all route.

    And by the way add Kamala Harris to the list of good Californians. She’s an impressive lady.

  163. 163.

    bupalos

    Don’t know this Banks lady but she seems super smart and funny and…um…slightly pleasant looking.

    And this montage of cutting up hillary’s speech over 4 decades is pretty powerful.

  164. 164.

    Mnemosyne

    @ruemara:

    rikyrah got me hooked on Awesomely Luvvie, and now I cannot WAIT to see what she says about this. Her post about W dancing at the Dallas police memorial had tears of laughter rolling down my face.

  165. 165.

    Mnemosyne

    @dogwood:

    Yes, but they have to ACT decent. I’m tired of people who go around talking about how decent they are, or their friends do, but they never ACT on it.

    Both/and, but I lean towards action now.

  168. 168.

    dogwood

    @Mnemosyne:
    Oh, I agree with that, absolutely. What makes me most nervous about contemporary politics is this increasing insistence that every policy issue is a litmus test on someone’s character. There are issues that I do frame from a moral and ethical perspective, but not all issues.

  169. 169.

    Miss Bianca

    @Soylent Green:

    Bernie’s diehards are lighting up Twitter calling him a sellout. What’s the point of choosing a messiah if you can’t crucify him later?

    Ouch. Post of the Day, tho’, IMHO. Cuz I’m a smart-ass that way. Mind if i quote you later?

  170. 170.

    muddy

    @Trentrunner:

    I’ll stop when the Berniebros stop, LOL.

    Gosh that’s a real laugh riot. You realize that you are saying you are as big of an asshole as they are then? You are competing to be the most assholish. Congrats.

    Personally, I’m not going to quit killing people until they stop the death penalty. I’ll show everyone how right I am and how I am making a valid point.

  173. 173.

    Mnemosyne

    @dogwood:

    I think we’re on the same page, because I really don’t care WHY someone (for example) voted for the PPACA or if they really, truly believed in it in their hearts as long as they DID vote for it.

  176. 176.

    Joel

    @gogol’s wife: that’s just coalition politics. Unlike Clinton in ’08, Sanders doesn’t have much of a political future. He’s made his impact and I doubt he goes the Dingell route.

  182. 182.

    grandpa john

    @aimai: Now that he has had his 15 minutes of fame , he can retreat back to his back bench seat with the rest of
    the” all hat no cattle” nonentities

  184. 184.

    grandpa john

    @D58826: Hopefully the democratic party leaders have learned an embarrassing lesson about allowing non dem candidates to suck on the party tit

  188. 188.

    J R in WV

    @Trentrunner:

    No one has claimed that Trump has investments in Russia, the fact is that Russia owns investments in HIM. And when they own enough in someone, they have a lot of control over the person they have invested in.

  189. 189.

    J R in WV

    @gogol’s wife:

    I don’t know why it looks like it doesn’t work for you when you post in Russian, but it works for the most of us:

    @debbie:

    Попробую.

  190. 190.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    Hope the kids remembered to start the VCR

    You haz VCR?
    I thought those were obsolete.

    @raven:

    @Trollhattan: Idiots in California, say it ain’t so.

    When I was a kid, I remember reading a quote that stated ‘California has such a lush climate that the fruits and nuts floursh’.

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    Anne Laurie

    @dogwood: There are people who behave well because they’re nice, optimistic, sharing human beings. There are other people who behave well because they choose their principles over their natural inclination to be nasty, hateful, small-minded & vindictive. Since I fall in the second category, I appreciate people like McAuliffe, who (also) seem to be fighting their instincts to do the right thing!

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