Despite yawns from some corners over a major party nominating the first woman for president in the history of the United States, ever, it’s kind of a big deal to many of us. But I suspect those wormy little Buster fuckwads who shouted down Elijah Cummings and Leon Panetta aren’t going to be able to resist trying to ruin the evening for Hillary Clinton and her supporters.
Anyone think there’s a chance they won’t? I don’t. They’re worse than the goddamned PUMAs, and they are an embarrassment to Senator Sanders. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so.
That said, aside from a few odd eruptions, some force seemed to keep the screeching Busters mostly silent during both Obamas’ speeches as well as during Biden’s and Kaine’s. Perhaps the many impressive middle-aged women in the convention hall turned steely gazes on the sniveling dipshits and hefted their handbags meaningfully.
I don’t expect that force field to hold tonight, though. These grandstanding pricks really hate Hillary Clinton. They don’t give a shit about the Democratic Party. And they’re certain it’s more important for the media coverage to include their whiny-ass, unintelligible chants than it is for the women and girls who’ve waited for this moment all their lives to enjoy the experience in peace.
May the shades of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony rise up and snatch them bald-headed.
kindness
Maybe call it bat day. Give every delegate a Louisville Slugger as they walk in.
Bet they’d be polite then.
Iowa Old Lady
They will not keep quiet. They can’t give even a moment to understand what this means for women. They just don’t see it, which to me puts them right up there with anyone who didn’t see the racial significance of Obama’s election. They’re worse actually. I don’t believe anyone heckled Obama at the D convention.
PsiFighter37
Of course they’ll make noise. They are as petulant and small-minded as their dear leader.
Mnemosyne
I’ve decided that my stance is: I wish a motherfucker would.
She’s had three days to prepare for this. Three days to polish her speech and prepare her zingers. And, as every speaker including her husband of 40+ years has already warned them, Hillary doesn’t back down and she doesn’t give up. Ever.
Bring. It. On.
Tom Q
I have to presume Hillary’s ready for this, and has something prepared. And she’ll have c. 97% of the hall on her side. But these idiots who managed to boo Leon Panetta describing getting bin Laden — a surefire way to get America on their side! — apparently view her as some cross between Eva Braun and Curtis LeMay, and I agree they’ll try to make it as ugly as possible. I hope it goes as well as the previous days, but I’m very nervous about it.
For those who ask, why does the media always treat the American left with contempt? — you have to admit, these people make it pretty easy for them.
J R in WV
My mom dies in 1997 after a long struggle with COPD. I think she would be really proud to see a younger woman nominated for President. I believe she would vote for Hillary, even though she was mostly a republican.
She wasn’t shrill about it, and she told me, “secretly” that her last two presidential votes were for Democratic candidates, because of the Republican stance on abortion. You see, my mom lost someone dear to her, a cousin or a friend, to a botched illegal abortion 75 years ago.
So Hillary would have had my mom’s vote this year, for sure.
It will be a shame if there’s any disruption tonight. Those Sanders delegates need to grow up, even the adults seem juvenile.
rikyrah
I think that it’s time for folks to put out the word that the Hillary signs double as weapons. I am not kidding. If those muthaphuckas open their mouths. .
THWACK
THWACK
THWACK
This is about fundamental respect for what is about to happen .
And I hope that somebody is taking names and NOT ONE of these muthaphuckas should be allowed in any future Democratic Party…ANYTHING ?????
Quinerly
First openly transgender person to address a convention happening now. Poignant speech.
Omnes Omnibus
I just saw that Jennifer Granholm is speaking during the 8pm EDT hour. I hope she’s already started drinking.
Baud
@Tom Q:
I will always hate these people for making me sympathetic to Nixon voters.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
Can we send some of those fierce church ladies I keep seeing in the crowd? Just one glare from them would do the trick.
James Franks
I have to disagree with you the PUMAs were the same way.
dedc79
Their claims of having been silenced at the convention were so obviously false that they resorted to silencing themselves with gags.
Coddling them (and they have most certainly been coddled at this convention, including by many of the highest-profile speakers) may not have shut them up, but it has sure as hell made them look ridiculous when they claim second-class treatment.
Schlemazel Khan
I noticed one – ONE – asshole started shouting during BHOs speech last night. He managed to shout 3-4 times and then was silent. I think he may have been invited to shut up & nobody was joining him.
I am very worried about tonight. These assholes want to watch the world burn and the media is only too happy to give them a book of matches
Jim, Foolish Literalist
there’s something happening here…
Omnes Omnibus
@James Franks: At the convention?
CONGRATULATIONS!
They will. I feel confident it can be dealt with.
What I’d like to see, Friday, after this is over, is for the DNC to sit down and make some rules changes effective immediately. Number one priority: you gotta be a member of the party for at least five years to run for the presidency. Otherwise, someone’s going to do this again, and it’s going to be someone with far more of a clue and far nastier intentions than Sanders.
eclare
@J R in WV: My mom came over to our side for the same reason. Has voted D since Kerry. Confided to me a couple of weeks ago, I guess I should admit it, I’m a Democrat. My mom didn’t lose anyone, thank goodness, but an issue she feels strongly about. She is voting HRC.
ETA: not allowed to tell some relatives. They all know I’m strongly D, but if mom doesn’t want them to know about her, that’s ok.
Matt McIrvin
To some extent this is the unfortunate endpoint of the suspicion of vote-tampering that began with the 2000 election, HAVA and the rise of electronic voting machines. A lot of these people sincerely believe, not just that the DNC was biased, but that Bernie Sanders actually won the primaries, and Hillary and DWS somehow infiltrated a bunch of often Republican-run state election systems and rigged the vote.
There’s some kind of goofy exit-poll analysis going around that purports to show this.
Greg Palast was whipping up suspicions in various ways, IIRC. The guy annoys me, because he often uncovers real problems with vulnerabilities in voting systems and practices that suppress the vote; but he always has to spin them in maximalist ways that stretch credibility to argue that they flipped the outcome and the election result was completely invalid. He’d be more credible if he didn’t do that.
hedgehog mobile
@Mnemosyne: This.
rikyrah
@Mnemosyne:
Just get the word to Sister Lutherine.
Nobody is playing with them.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
we’re not gonna be ignoooored, Hillary!
Anybody see what color shirts Rosario Dawson and Susan Sarandon are wearing?
Omnes Omnibus
Hey, I know this lady!
Mnemosyne
@Matt McIrvin:
IIRC, when there weren’t enough ballots or polling places for Democrats in deep red Arizona, Berniebots insisted that Hillary did it, because the Republicans wouldn’t have any motive to fuck around with a Democratic Party election.
I’m surprised I didn’t have a permanent forehead injury after that one.
rikyrah
You all know that I am not a Hillary Stan. But, history is history. And, it should be RESPECTED ???
Tom Q
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Walking out would be fine, as in “Don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out”. Most in the hall, and I daresay in America, would cheer to see them go, It’s making it difficult for Hillary to speak that I’m worried about.
Mai.naem.mobile
@Mnemosyne: I think they should just have Stephanie Rawlins in front of the crowd keeping them quiet. She looked like one of those teachers with eyes in the back of her head. You know, the one who would send a chalk winging its way on your forehead if you were misbehaving.
Betty Cracker
@James Franks: They were morons, but I don’t recall them disrupting the convention or shouting down speakers.
Aimai
@James Franks: no, they really werent! Not from the floor of the convention.
lollipopguild
Betty-I love your title. Khannnnnn!
Redshift
@Matt McIrvin:
Fueled, I suspect, by the Paulites and Alex Jones acolytes in their ranks. I have a photo on my phone from our district Democratic convention of a car with stickers for Ron Paul, InfoWars, 9/11 Truthers, anti-fluoridation(!)… And Bernie Sanders.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus:
At least the attitude was there. I don’t know if disruptions lingered through the convention.
I’m sure multi-pronged efforts to deal with the Busters tonight. Been very successful the last two days.
For me, if what the typical undecided TV viewer in the US sees is impression of a strong and enthusiastic consensus, and a a group of people who look like nicer to work with than the GOP, then it is a success and I don’t care what the few Busterr loons do. If just a few of them, they just look sad and no one cares.
PUMAs at the DNC Compare Democrats to Nazis, Saddam Hussein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWtqe5kvHA
Edit: dear gawd I want this to be over. This is only political blog I deal with and there is the perennial HRC/Bernie fight club. At home I deal with liberal women kin who are very happy that a woman is major party nominee is a woman, and likely next president, but unhappy it has to be the likes of HRC, rather than Warren. Sick of people looking for excuses to keep grudges and fights going.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
I’ve only been seeing them through the TV and my posture immediately improves. They remind me of the nuns from Catholic school — they’re sweet until you break a rule and then watch out.
Redshift
@Omnes Omnibus:
I got to see her barnburner in Charlotte in 2012. She’s an awesome speaker; I think she can handle them.
lamh36
Aww…shiit!
Fly JetBlue to Cuba for $99
Oooh…I see Southwest will be one of the US-Cuba carriers…awesome
msdc
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh no! Please don’t walk out and deprive us of your heckling! Please! PLEASE!!!
geg6
Good thing I’m not there because mothafuckas would be getting punched in the neck at the first peep. Should send some of those ladies in church hats to handle crowd control. Assholes would learn some manners right quick.
By the way, Charlie Pierce seems to have lost his mind. He seems to think these idiots really are starting a “movement” and he really seems to be yearning to join up. Losing a lot of respect for him the last few months. Didn’t know he was such a fantasist.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: That’s some hardcore crazy right there.
dmsilev
Attention Bernie-or-Busters: Did you know Hillary Clinton once drone-killed a man at the Nevada convention in Reno, just to watch him die?
(nb: Nevada Democratic State Convention may not have taken place in Reno. In fact, I don’t think it did. Doesn’t matter)
Steeplejack
@Betty Cracker:
Hear, hear, Betty.
I have found myself slightly emotional all day, and I think it’s because after last night I feel more hopeful about our country’s prospects than I have in a long time. Like the racist, obstructionist, do-nothing Republicans can not only be deterred or delayed but that at last something positive—inevitable—is now on the wing to supplant them and drive them on the defensive. Electing a black president was a big step forward; electing a woman president to succeed him will have an exponential effect.
The whole lineup of speakers last night really brought it—brought it with the thunder, the lightning and the golf-ball-sized hail. And the evening was capped, of course, by one of the best speeches of Obama’s career.
That picture of Susan B. Anthony’s grave really hits me. Even the North Carolina Republicans’ apology for the Tim Kaine slur is a good sign. It was an actual apology, not just the usual “We erased it and we regret that anyone might have been offended (but not really).” It’s like they, too, are scenting a change in the wind and hunting for cover.
I’m looking forward to Hillary taking the mantle tonight.
rikyrah
@lollipopguild:
ICAM
Fabulous post title ☺
PGFan
I’m worried too, but hopeful various measures will have been taken and will succeed. But it is sucky that we can’t go into tonight without the shadow of concern diluting our anticipation.
dmsilev
“Hillary! What is best in life?”
“To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their delegates”
The Ancient Randonnuer
@Matt McIrvin:
Their sincerity is duly noted, along with the sincerity of the Young Earth Christians who believe the Earth was created 1000 years after the Sumerians invented ink, and the 9/11 Truthers who believe that terrible day was a false flag operation run by our own government. As much as I would like to pin 9/11 directly on Bush it just didn’t happen that way. Sorry but sincerity doesn’t doesn’t even get them a participation trophy.
Cacti
From the bottom of my heart to the BoBs…
Thank you for killing your movement, setting it on fire, and driving a stake through its heart with your boorish convention behavior.
FlipYrWhig
@Matt McIrvin: Is that what they think happened, where the “stolen” this and that stuff comes from? Holy frijoles that’s some crazy shit.
Mai.naem.mobile
@Mnemosyne: there were absolutely problems at the polling stations but there were also Bernie bots and Trumpies who didn’t realize that you had to be registered a month before the election. One month,not six months like NY.
Omnes Omnibus
@Redshift: No, I am not suggesting that she drink in order to deal with hecklers. I want to see a reprise of intoxicated Jennifer Granholm from 2012.
FlipYrWhig
@geg6: Lefty greybeards have been pining for a “movement” for 50 years. It’s mostly the people who didn’t get to enjoy the first one. They’re afraid if this one stalls they’ll never see another. I think it’s fucking ridiculous.
Cacti
@Matt McIrvin:
It’s the left fringe equivalent of chemtrails.
gogol's wife
I just got into a heated “discussion” with a Bernie supporter at a cocktail party. I just have no patience. This person (highly uninformed) would not place any of the blame on Bernie for the way his supporters have been behaving. Luckily I had a person there who was agreeing with me and backing me up, or it would have gotten ugly.
Davis X. Machina
Weak nuclear force.
Strong nuclear force.
Electromagnetism
Gravity
Ladies in church hats…
Some day physics will catch up.
jl
I can’t find videos of hecklers at 2008 Dem Convention, but there is this:
Video of Hillary Clinton stopping roll call vote in 2008 and asking that votes be recorded and Obama be ‘selected’ as the nominee.
Clinton Stops Roll Call, Calls To Nominate Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3w6IcU418E
Looks almost the same to me as what happened at this convention.
Some of you people need to settle down, or get a really good shrink, or find a good recreational drug dealer. Assume the best case happens. HRC elected president, and majority in the Senate, and say House gets close enough to make some more moderate GOPers nervous enough to cooperate once in awhile. Sanders is gong to be grousing around for 4 years about getting the platform enacted, and some people here are going to waste their time snooping around for disloyalty and fifth columns every time somebody farts in an unexpected direction. Need to settle down.
Edit: though to be clear, if any asshole Buster pipes up tonight, I hope they are shut down asap with no fuss. I been avoiding interviews on the news with those jerks they make me so mad. Just like I can’t listen to any GOPer since their mess last week.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@geg6:
He wrote one of the most beautiful things about Obama I’ll ever read, just today.
geg6
@Matt McIrvin:
Fuck them and their “sincere beliefs.” My oldest brother, who passed away last weekend, had a sincere belief that aliens were in his computer, trying to control his mind. He had severe bipolar disorder which often caused him to be delusional. What the fuck is their excuse?
gogol's wife
@gogol’s wife:
Oh, and she said, “When did Bernie become a Democrat?” She was shocked, shocked to hear that he just became a Democrat in order to run for president and has already announced that he’s an independent again.
FlipYrWhig
@gogol’s wife: To be fair, Bernie Sanders ran the first losing campaign in the history of politics, which is why it’s still so raw. “You mean we might try hard and… lose? But I’ll be so upset!”
And that’s barely an exaggeration at all. The first-night Berniacs on MSNBC were saying things like that it was so hard after a WHOLE YEAR’S worth of work to end up with so little to show for it. A year! How do you think John Lewis and Dolores Huerta felt when they heard that? Cripes.
dmsilev
@Mai.naem.mobile: Then there were the California idiots who were screaming conspiracy because if you’re not in a political party, you need to tell either the registrar or the local poll worker that you want a party ballot.
rikyrah
Shonda Rhimes made the introductory film for Hillary tonight.
yellowdog
@geg6: You and me geg6. I’m 5’0″, 110 lbs but I’m mean when I’m riled. You go for and uppercut and I’ll take them out at the knees. If any of those puling idiots were related to me they would be disinherited and banned from my house. Assholes!
geg6
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
Agreed. He also wrote one of the stupidest posts I’ve ever read about the BoBs right after.
Jeanne
Let’s not let the last gasp of the Bernie dead-enders ruin this momentous evening. If they make fools of themselves, so be it. It won’t effect the election one teeny tiny bit. As Uncle Joe said, C’mon! We’re America!
gogol's wife
@rikyrah:
That should be good. The videos have been EXCELLENT. I loved the one for Obama last night.
I have actually learned a lot about Hillary this week.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Amen. What a bunch of whiny, entitled pricks.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Cacti: Exactly, and if it’s really bad think of the money that will flow into Bernie’s next opponent from pissed of Dems from around the country. They are really screwing up.
msdc
@FlipYrWhig: Yeah, if only Hillary and her supporters could imagine what it’s like to work so hard for a nomination for so long and then lose it. Who can say what they would do in that situation?
dmsilev
@Davis X. Machina: I’ll notify my colleagues.
Are we allowed to smash two church ladies into each other at high speed and see what happens?
Mnemosyne
@FlipYrWhig:
Honestly, I think they laughed their asses off. Because, like Sarah Silverman, they know these whiners are ridiculous.
That’s why I hope they try to start something during Hillary’s speech just so we can see all of their hopes and dreams crushed on live TV. I mean, they think they’re going to rattle Hillary Clinton like she’s some town councilwoman? Really?
Marc
Are people here still going to be obsessing about these people a decade from now? Everyone else has moved on, for heavens sake. The insistence on lockstep unity is getting creepy. The convention so far has been strong – the Monday effort from Sanders et al. was everything that Clinton could have wanted; the Clinton team obviously doesn’t want to pander to grudges; and the dead-enders are a small group not worth wasting mental energy on.
MazeDancer
Having some 70-something to 80-something ladies who actually organized marches for Civil Rights or bringing down LBJ in anti-war action sitting next to each one of the CA delegation known to be on the road to a misguided moment might be a tactic.
Large purses also an excellent idea. Though, Betty probably right that those women could scorch looks that re-route Earth orbit.
Hal
How many busters were reliable voters to begin with for the fall election? Not just for Bernie but for Hillary Clinton as well. It’s all fine and good to protest and say your voting third party but if you haven’t voted before or you don’t vote dem then what is Clinton really losing?
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Marc: There’s an insistence on basic politeness and decency. Frankly, if the dead enders want to vote for Trump, I could give a fuck.
Mike J
Church ladies have big hats.
FlipYrWhig
@Marc: STOP SILENCING ME! :P
Davis X. Machina
@dmsilev: They invented ”spooky action at a distance’ — it’s called ‘The Look.’
Mnemosyne
@dmsilev:
Good god, man, are you trying to destroy the universe?
Quinerly
CA Bernie delegates tweeting that the DNC using seat fillers to deny them their sets. Carole King performing now. She looks great.
Baud
@Marc: You’re right. I’m also going to stop complaining about blue dogs and conservadems. And cable news — their ratings are in the toilet anyway. And everything else in the universe, none of which, taken in isolation, is really all that significant.
scav
@dmsilev: And church ladies must absolutely come in flavors. Coffee’s a definite, some sort of hot dish and ????
Marc
@FlipYrWhig: Yea, the people making noise are acting like jerks. I just don’t want to pay them any mind or give them attention or let them torque me up. I’m enjoying the convention.
geg6
@Marc:
They are being rude and ignorant toward their betters. And yes, every single person they have heckled is their better. They are trying to sabotage our nominee. Thankfully, they have only succeeded in making an enemy of those of us who would have gladly been their allies if they’d had an ounce of brains and a sliver of manners. And yes, they are now my enemies, as much as the Teabaggers are.
Brent
@Quinerly: Didn’t Caitlyn Jenner appear at the RNC? I didn’t watch any of it but I was sure I heard she had done a speech.
geg6
@Quinerly:
Good. Fuck these assholes.
Chyron HR
BOOO! Play Thunder and Lightning!
Mike J
Carole King singing. Is Rory Gilmore covering the convention?
gogol's wife
@Marc:
Warren’s, Hutson’s, and Panetta’s speeches (among others) were rudely interrupted by irrelevant chanting that threw the speakers off and made it very hard to understand the rest of what they were saying. And as for the jerks interrupting Obama, there are THOUSANDS of people who would have given their eyeteeth to be in that hall to hear that historic speech. I cannot fathom why these people cannot be ejected.
PhoenixRising
Honest to God, I hope they try it. If we need to convince anyone Bloomberg got curious, nuking the self-styled left wing of the party from orbit is perfect. Communicates that she’s tough and will punch the hippies that need punching.
Some folks’ parents didn’t believe in spanking OR time-outs, and that’s how you end up, like Jane Sanders, losing a primary and announcing that now that you’ve *lost* you get to hang around and insist on your preferences being carried out because the *winner* has to be held accountable.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@geg6: +1,000
geg6
@Brent:
I didn’t watch that shitshow, but I can’t imagine they’d give her a speaking slot.
wmd
Apparently there were paid seat warmers filling the convention yesterday for the speeches. Which is probably a good thing.
jl
I think nutjobs will find an excuse to make pointless trouble for attention at political conventions, no matter what.
I had no idea there was a group of fools called ‘Recreate 68’ at the 2008 Democratic National Convention. Like that was a good idea or would accomplish anything. They managed to produce stuff like this nonsense outside the convention (though some of this might be PUMAs, I’m not sure)
Democratic National Convention(DNC), Denver 2008 (part 7)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaoU8SI4zuo
Obama still got elected. The convention can handle a little nonsense and it won’t sink the ship if the basic structure is sound.
Omnes Omnibus
For some reason, this comes to my mind.
singfoom
They seem like a minor annoyance to me at this point, I mean I was surprised when someone heckled Obama, and yeah, that’s rude, but meh, the world kept turning. It’ll keep turning if some of them interrupt HRC tonight too. I hope at least some of them care about the Democratic party and turn their enthusiasm into working for the party, but maybe they don’t. I’d rather attribute their attitude to ignorance and naievete than maliciousness.
YMMV
Baud
@wmd: Agree. I hope they also deployed sound dampeners.
FlipYrWhig
@Hal: I think that’s a good question. I assume that a lot of them are self-styled radicals who probably wouldn’t have voted or been involved at all if not for having been enraptured by Bernie Sanders, and who have contempt for and impatience with conventional political processes like “most votes win regardless of who’s convinced they’re correct” and “winner acts magnanimous, loser acts respectful.” I find it hard to imagine that someone could vote for John Kerry and Al Gore, maybe even grudgingly, and then think Hillary Clinton is pure evil and needs to be humiliated. I have to think that if you’ve been voting for Democrats you’re going to vote for Clinton even if you think she sucks. But of course I’d prefer to see the greatest number of votes for Clinton possible, because the thing I dread is Clinton winning but not clearing 50%, which will allow the media to validate Republican claims that DIVIDED COUNTRY NO MANDATE DONT HAFTA DO NOTHING. And I think that’s a strongly likely outcome of this election, alas.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: +1(or 2, or 3…).
gogol's wife
@Baud:
Especially if they go ahead with the fart-in.
jl
@Quinerly:
” CA Bernie delegates tweeting that the DNC using seat fillers to deny them their sets. ”
Good. I’m from CA, and they embarrass me. Hope they move to, i dunno, OR likes that kind of thing, doesn’t it?
FlipYrWhig
@gogol’s wife:
Because then they’ll go all Dennis the Peasant: “Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”
gogol's wife
@FlipYrWhig:
Is that a Holy Grail ref?
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne:
Consider it a Plan B in case of a Trump victory.
singfoom
@FlipYrWhig:
You think if Hillary gets more than 50% that suddenly the congressional Republicans will still not make that same argument? It’s not based on math. She could get 90% and they’d still obstruct and claim DIVIDED COUNTRY NO MANDATE.
LesBonnesFemmes
@geg6: I am officially done with CPP, and it is even more disturbing that his readers are such acolytes that they are constantly defending his posts, if not practically nominating each post for the Nobel Prize in Literature every day. I used to love him. But, now we’re through. Oh well.
jl
@gogol’s wife:
” Especially if they go ahead with the fart-in. ”
Seems to be mainly a few idiots in the CA delegation at this point. If they have pushed them out of their seats, they’ll have to do it a meeting room off the main floor. Hope they all emit silent-but-deadlies and faint. Might be a short clip about a puzzling, minor, medical emergency on the news, that no one quite understands. Would a fitting end for them on the last night.
Matt McIrvin
@Marc: Since tonight is the last night with Hillary’s big acceptance speech, and they usually get rowdy whenever Hillary Clinton is mentioned on stage, it’s conceivable they’re planning some kind of grand finale disruption. But I’m sure everyone sees it coming a mile off.
Quinerly
@Brent:
Jenner did not speak at the RNC. This 28 year old tonight was billed as the first. I read a piece about her earlier. She married her young boyfriend who had terminal cancer. He died 4 days after the wedding. It was a very good speech. James Clyburn up now and I think I heard some boos at the first mention of Hillary’s name. Sound is very different on CSpan. I hope I am wrong about the booing.
Quinerly
@wmd:
There are alternate delegates there.
Baud
I like this video by the D Women senators.
debbie
@Betty Cracker:
Maybe not to the same extent, but they were publicly opposed late into September. I recall that Rothschild chick dining with John McCain at the Waldorf in late September (after he backed out of appearing on Letterman).
Gian
I’ll just be happy for Hillary and hope she wins the general. Hope further that Trump doesn’t leak, I mean shout, some seriously sensitive information from the security briefings.
President and First Lady Obama’s speeches will be a tough act for anyone to follow.
Matt McIrvin
@FlipYrWhig:
Didn’t bother her husband. They’re going to claim that it was a victory with an asterisk anyway because Donald Trump was so patently deranged and still got forty-whatever percent.
I’m more interested in the balance of Congress than the popular-vote margin.
Mike J
@Quinerly:
Quinerly
@Baud:
Loving it too.
Baud
Now this is how you interrupt a speaker. With cheering.
Quinerly
@Mike J:
Good to know.
Joel
Fuck em. They’re nobodies. Let them retire to their villas in Santa Cruz and Mendocino and no more fucks will be given about them ever again.
Brent
@geg6: @Quinerly:
You’re both correct of course. Jenner actually spoke at a related event, but as you guessed geg6, she was not given a speaking spot on the main stage during the actual convention.
gogol's wife
@Brent:
Yeah, because what would have happened if she’d needed to use the bathroom?
Mike J
Patty Murray!
Quinerly
@Brent:
There have been several great background pieces on the young woman tonight. I think Jenner’s was some sort of other event in Cleveland.
Mike J
Maria Cantwell!
celticdragonchick
@The Ancient Randonnuer:
Perfect pure snowflake Nina Turner was on MSNBC earlier today to tell us that the Bernie people felt “their voices had not been heard” and when she was asked if she would endorse Hillary Clinton, she explained “I am concerned about the process and the movement” in several different iterations that all amounted to nothing at all.
Not. Been. Heard.
I needed a drink after that one.
Brent
@Quinerly: Yeah. I linked to it in my comment. She spoke at the Big Tent Brunch which was put together by a group called American Unity Fund and which also included Montel Williams.
Quinerly
@gogol’s wife:
There was a piece on my news feed this week about some right wing site bitching about something to do with the DNC bathroom situation. “Disgusting” was the headline. Didn’t click. It’s always bathrooms and flag pins with that crowd
George Spiggott
Obama incorporated great oratory from past presidents into his speech last night. Tonight, Hillary should invoke the spirit of these words from President Carter.
eclare
These women senators are giving powerful testimony.
tobie
@jl: Thanks, jl, for the youtube of Hillary’s motion for Obama’s nomination by acclamation in 2008. I hate to say it but what she did and Bernie did are very different. She called for a suspension of the vote long before it was New York’s turn. Her preamble is lengthy and gracious toward Obama. Bernie had no preamble. She requests that “all votes be counted as” (delay for second independent clause) “votes for Barack Obama.” I really don’t want to nitpick, nor do I want to revisit the primary but two things do stand out. (1) This is an historic occasion and rather than being able to celebrate it fully, the party has had to bend over backward to be deferential to the feelings of Bernie and his supporters throughout. On day 2 of the convention, Chuck Toddles even asked, “Is this Hillary’s or Bernie’s convention.” (2) Bernie supporters have this annoying habit of deflecting any and all criticism of their candidate. Some examples of this are: defense of his position on guns (he’s from a rural state); defense of past votes on immigration (also he’s from a rural state); defense of his no vote on the critical auto bailout (it was such a compromised piece of legislation); defense of his vote on the omnibus bill deregulated the banks (it doesn’t matter since his name isn’t Clinton); his vote (along with the shameful vote of many Democratic senators) against trying Guantanamo detainees in the US; etc. In this context your unwillingness to acknowledge that the language he used to move for Clinton’s nomination was not entirely satisfying is annoying. He’s a human being. Yes, he has passion for the working class and those who don’t ever get a seat at the table, which is a very good thing. But he also makes mistakes and at times is given to grandiosity like all other human beings. I accept that in him and I accept that in HRC. I hope you do too. It’s the hagiography of Bernie and the cult-like devotion of many of his delegates that is so alarming.
jl
@Matt McIrvin: GOP line I’m waiting for “The presidential election was not really valid because our candidate was bugfuck crazy. We couldn’t litigate our case!”
theturtlemoves
@jl:
No, no, we have enough of our own up here already and we don’t need any more. I think Nevada inflicting the Bundy tribe on us was enough cross-border terrorism for one year.
Soylent Green
What I’ve learned from Bernie’s convention dipshits is how many progressives are not interested in progress.
delk
@Quinerly: Dinesh D’Souza tweeted a pic of his wife in front of a Non-gendered bathroom.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Reminds me of a line from the Rainmaker: “I see your side, Billy, I just ain’t on it”
jl
@tobie: Thanks for your analysis. Of course I accept Hillary Clinton. I’m not a big fan of either candidate, to be honest, in terms of having confidence that they will be great campaigners, but they both would be fine presidents. Though both royally pissed me off in their approaches to several issues, for example health care.
I didn’t post the video to make the case that what HRC did was entirely equivalent to what Bernie did, so sorry, I don’t have time to wade through your minute comparison, and actually, that sort of minute sifting through every blink and glance to compare the two is one of the sources of trouble right now, to be honest in my opinion.
But people can go ahead and obsess. I hope for the best possible case, where we get WH, Senate and close enough in the House that the platform has a chance to get passed. I am confident both HRC and Sanders will do what they can to see that happen. And if people want to nurse grudges and comb through every syllable and pause to find perfidy, it is a free country and I suppose everyone needs a hobby.
Citizen Alan
@PhoenixRising:
I disagree. My own theory is that most of the BoBers got spanked once too hard by their mamas when they were throwing tantrums and they’ve been waiting 20 years for revenge on a proxy mother figure.
D58826
@delk: appropriate. she married a non-gendered sorta human.
Quinerly
@delk:
Same old wife? Didn’t he get caught in an affair…seems like I recall some sort of sex scandal. I think his hit piece movie on HRC has hit #1 for documentaries.
lollipopguild
@Omnes Omnibus: Can we get the Hanson Bros to deal with the Bernie Bros?
D58826
What worries me about tonight is that no matter how well she does tonight, this kind of speech is not her natural environment. That would be bad enough but to follow Michelle, Barak, and Uncle Joe are really really tough acts to follow.
D58826
@Quinerly: yea different wife and a stint in the pokey for violating campaign laws.
delk
@Quinerly: His new wife and she had a look of terror on her face. We joked that she probably saw how much bigger everybody was compared to her husband.
burnspbesq
@FlipYrWhig:
The most progressive platform in party history is chopped liver?
Dang …
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@D58826: IIRC people were really impressed with her ’08, speech, and in the end the room will, I think be with her.. probably a good idea to skip immediate media reaction
D58826
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m sure she will do a good just its just the other three are like the old Yankee’s murderer’s row.
Percysowner
@jl: Actually Bernie did NOT stop the roll call. He had Vermont passed over, waited until every other state had recorded their votes then cast Vermont’s and declared Hillary the winner. He did insist that the roll be recorded AS VOTED, to make sure that HIS votes show up and to make sure that everyone knows that Hillary did not receive unanimous acclaim.
@Marc: Your name sounds male. If it is, you have not spent your entire life waiting to see someone who shares your gender be a candidate for President. These people want to sh*t all over this moment.
Nina Turner was all whiny about not being allowed to be on the stage when Bernie endorsed(?) or cast the votes(?) I’m not sure which, but she was all in a tizzy that she thought she was going to be up there and then wasn’t. Jane Sanders is trying to erase Bernie’s endorsement and saying that they are going to hold Hillary “accountable”. She is trying to take away from a truly historic moment. Hillary didn’t insist her votes be noted when Obama won. She didn’t give a conditional endorsement. She got Bill to zip his lips and she stood by Obama and did everything she could to get him elected. The Bernie or Busters are doing what they can to undermine Hillary and frankly, I’m 99% sure it’s because they think they can sh*t all over a woman and she will just have to take it.
I hope they keep these people out and that her moment in the sun won’t be ruined.
FlipYrWhig
@burnspbesq: The woman I remember being interviewed said that it could be a year and then all they’d end up getting was promises. How Bernie Sanders was not offering promises was… neither asked nor answered.
ETA: Oh, and another woman said something like “If only the Clinton side had moved in our direction AT ALL.” Who knows, it’s derp all the way down.
Quinerly
@D58826: @D58826:
He is such unattractive man. I cringe when I see him.
ruemara
Betty, Betty, Betty. Don’t you know vagina voting is wrong & requires a lot of contortion? Why are you into attacking white males like this? Are you just down with TPP? WE MUST BAND TOGETHER TO FREE THE WHITE GUYS. Or so I’ve been told.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
only if you’re still here with the whiny hall monitor schtick.
just for shits and giggles.
Mnemosyne
@delk:
I don’t wish Dinesh to fall into a fainting fit, but every ciswoman in America has used a bathroom marked for Men at least once in her life. Including his wife.
Quinerly
@FlipYrWhig:
My favorite is when the BS supporters are interviewed they can’t articulate how she differs from their savior. “He fights for us” and they don’t agree with Hillary’s platform. The press never challenges them.
D58826
listening to Nicole Wallace enthuse about Hillary. Head spinning
Baud
@D58826: Yeah. Very disconcerting.
Omnes Omnibus
@ruemara:
Yeah, you know me.
D58826
@Mnemosyne: My wife was in a wheelchair and needed mu help. We used the mens room. Seemed would be less stressful than going into the ladies room. I was never so happy as when uni-sex/family bathrooms started appearing at malls and the airport
FlipYrWhig
@Quinerly: I’d settle for having anyone with a No TPP sign explain what the TPP is, beyond just what the acronym stands for; and what exactly they object to about it. Some of them may have eloquent explanations. I’m guessing it’s not many.
D58826
@Baud: have to get up early tomorrow and make sure the sun still rises in the east
Mnemosyne
@D58826:
Up until this year, it’s ALWAYS been tacitly understood that if a woman needed to use a bathroom that was marked for men, it was okay to do that. You usually make sure it’s clear first and then warn any stray dudes away from the door until you’re done so no one (including the dudes) is embarrassed, but it was always okay until this frickin’ moral panic suddenly arose this year.
That’s one of the reasons I’m pissed off about it — they are fucking with established etiquette rules just to score political points.
D58826
@Mnemosyne: I was always glad when I was traveling with my nieces. I put them on door guard duty
ruemara
@gogol’s wife: not knowing a goddamned thing about Sanders is a big part of adoring him.
Quinerly
@FlipYrWhig:
I think I replied to you several threads back to take a peek at a Daily Mail piece about Bern stock. It went into moderation. I’m having problems posting links…naked or otherwise? on the phone. It’s a must read. Should be posted somewhere on BJ. I’ve tried twice.
BruceFromOhio
@kindness: This has tremendous appeal.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
Here’s a tweet about a group that wants to perform a citizen’s arrest of Hillary.
ruemara
@Marc: How about if you aim that cannon at the people still causing the problem? Who are these people showing up to complain that we”re being mean to douches currently being douches?
FlipYrWhig
@Quinerly: I’ll try to find it….
FlipYrWhig
@efgoldman: OK, point taken, make that _certain_ lefty graybeards, IMHO including Pierce.
FlipYrWhig
@Quinerly: Lots of headlines about various Kardashians in that paper. I think I’ll wait for the highlights.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@FlipYrWhig: Pierce is now joining the ranks of “wherever did these kids get the wrong idea about how politics works?”. I’m a fan, but he’s always had certain firebagger/concern troll tendencies, and this ‘we didn’t start the fire’ stuff is a bit hard to take.
D58826
Dave Garroway. haven’t heard that name in a looooooooooong time
Tom Q
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wasn’t Pierce also doing a fair amount of “Black Jimmy Carter” about Obama in the first year or two?
And, for the record, I’m a graybeard also, who’s considered himself on the left since voting McGovern all those years ago. I think you’ll find those of us who haven’t kept pursuing the Perfect Unicorn all these years are the ones most annoyed with those who have,
Quinerly
@FlipYrWhig:
No it’s a great piece. How the Bernie disciples (that’s what they are calling themselves) and the People Encouraging Niceness IN Society (work through the acronym) are all camping together in Cleveland. Must read.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t know how it happened, but I didn’t see intoxicated Jennifer Granholm in 2012, and as often as that speech has been mentioned here, I never bothered to look it up until now.
Holy blue-eyed fuck, I need to start smoking again right now. That was just amazing.
Quinerly
@FlipYrWhig:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3711525/We-won-t-quit-Bern-stock-say-Sanders-backers-testing-Philadelphia-s-patience-camping-outside-DNC-threatening-stay-s-over.html
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: See why I want a slight vodka haze in her eyes?
Quinerly
@SiubhanDuinne:
She was also on the Dating Game back in the day, if I recall correctly.
geg6
@Percysowner:
THIS. THIS. THIS.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Do you have the link? I have never seen it, either.
Applejinx
@Quinerly: If they’re not going to obey Bernie’s specific orders, fuck ’em.
They don’t get to be Bernie delegates and not honor what he needs from them (never mind what fuckin’ American needs from them!)
I would just ask that they be considered the outsider ratfuckers they so plainly are. They are NOT Bernie’s at this point.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Here you go.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: thanks, off to watch it now.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I might quibble with the word “slight,” but otherwise, yeah.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
@WaterGirl:
Thanks, Omnes, didn’t see WaterGirl’s request in time.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: I was being gentle.
Dog Dawg Damn
the sheer hubris of these kids to harm real ordinary people for their bruised feelings. Just disgusting.
WaterGirl
@WaterGirl: Wow, that was something else! Wow wow wow. She was so animated.. do we think she actually was drinking?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl:
It doesn’t really matter. “Intoxicated Jennifer Granholm” has become a thing.
D58826
@Omnes Omnibus: yea but I wish she would tell us how she really feels!!!!!!!!!!!!
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
So did you just see her live?
I raise my glass in admiration. Slainte, Ms Granholm. May your tribe increase.
PurpleGirl
@FlipYrWhig: When I first saw the pictures of BoBs with their mouths taped shut my first impression was of the anti-abortion people who do that and also the “supporters” of Terri Sciano who also stood vigil with their mouths taped shut also. Instantaneously turning me off.
SiubhanDuinne
I can’t watch and comment at the same time, so I’m going to turn BJ off for a while and watch the speeches. See y’all later.
Kathleen
@geg6: He was and is a hard core Snowaldista. His Bernie worship doesn’t surprise me one bit. I lost a lot of respect for his analysis and insights because he couldn’t see through the crap.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Of course I did.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: “Intoxicated Jennifer Granholm” was very appealing in 2012. I’m about 30 minutes behind on C-SPAN, but I’ll see her soon.
PurpleGirl
@Mnemosyne: Many years ago I was at an art gallery in Manhattan. The men’s room had a stall and one open urinal. There was only one stall in the women’s room. The line was quite long for the women’s room. One women decided the men had to share — she announced that if a man came over we’d let him go first but then we would return to alternating the use of the women’s and men’s rooms.
philadelphialawyer
@jl: You can’t find video of Hillary 2008 hecklers cuz there weren’t any. And, WTF, Hillary moved that Obama be made the nominee by unanimous acclamation. Sanders didn’t. But, even if he did, still, the Hillary crowd in 08 did not spend the entire fucking convention demanding that “their energy be honored,” preening about their bullshit “revolution” and “movement,” and generally carrying on like total fucking assholes the way the Sanders shitheels do. And, even if the Hillary folks had done that (and they didn’t), that STILL wouldn’t make it right for the Sanders scum to do it now. So, please, can you just give it a fucking rest, already? You liked Sanders. Good for you.That doesn’t make you a bad person. But, for the love of God, lay off the “both sides do it,” equivalence, seen it all before, above it all, can’t we all just get along, horseshit. Your candidate has inspired, instigated, whatever you want to call it, the biggest pack of entitled DBs this side of Donald Trump. Too bad if that gives you a sad. And, guess what? It is not the fault of those who point out that your boy’s bros are complete dickheads. Rather it is the dickheads themselves’ fault. And the chief dickhead who inspired/put them up to it.
Procopius
I really feel irritated when I see the Hillary fanatics blaming Bernie for not being able to control the Busters. What kind of fuehrer do they expect him to be, same as Hillary?
By the way, does anybody know why those people from the California delegation were chanting “Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs,” during Senator Professor Warren’s speech? Talk about a non sequitur!
philadelphialawyer
@Applejinx: @Procopius: Please. Sanders put them up to it, with his months of “unfair process” bullshit. And with his dance of the million veils. And his fauxrage over DWS and her nothingburger emails (ooooh, she said he would lose…after he had already fucking lost). Sanders sowed the wind, and now the convention is reaping the whirlwind. He is abso-fucking-lutley to blame for it. Fuck him. Forever. And his bullshit “revolution.”
Procopius
I feel a certain cognitive dissonance when reading the comments here. The BernieBusters have to shut their stupid mouths because we desperately need every single vote for Hillary or else Trump will win with a huge majority and the only reason the lousy, stupid, rotten BernieBusters won’t STFU is because of their horrible, stupid, evil master when what we need is unity. These people should not try to sell magazine subscriptions.
philadelphialawyer
@Procopius: Not the only reason. But part of the reason. The, yes, lousy, stupid, etc BoBs are themselves to blame. But so is their Instigator in Chief. He egged them on. For months. So, no, the only “cognitive dissonance” going around is folks pretending that it ain’t so. That King Cranky Pants has nothing to do with it. Because he is now, finally, more or less, saying the right things. Even though he said the wrong things, forever, and to a group of morons who ran with it, just as he should have known they would.
thedeadcanary
Dear Betty Cracker, I love you.
Dadadadadadada
@kindness: So armed society really is polite society? I kid, I kid.
feck
Who is the new object for our 15 minutes of hate?
Are Democrats the big tent party that allows dissent (however stupid and counterproductive) or is the Democratic party just a thoughtless, but united mob?
I hated the optics of the Bernie busters, and I despise the sexism that no doubt underlies a minority of their members.
BUT… this blog and others often lament that there is no “Left” in America, and that the extreme right (t-party et al) constantly push the Overton window to the right, with no opposing force from the left.
Look at the Left in Europe, they are uncompromising to the point of being jerks, that’s what being a ideologue is about, not about personalities, it’s about staying true to ideals.
If you want a real Left that pushes the national dialog to the left, then sometimes you have to tolerate ass-hattery.
Hillary would not have taken the positions she did in her speech last night if the Bernie phenomenon had not pushed her to do it, and those ideas are better for our country, and better politics than what Hillary started out saying when this campaign started a million years ago.
For me, the story of the 2016 DNC is one of leaders demonstrating that they can unify people who disagree, protest chants on day one giving way to expanding enthusiasm and eventual unity on the final day. That in itself makes a good appeal to the general election voter.
Go Hillary!